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Speaker 2: This is part two in our series on these brindled

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Speaker 2: bear dogs. Developed in isolation, deep in the Great Smoky Mountains.

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Speaker 2: The plot breed was tailor made for the rugged landscape,

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Speaker 2: They're called plot men and women, and if you cut them,

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Speaker 2: a much bigger vista than just dogs, but a rare,

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Speaker 2: ways in a fortuitous twist. It will be told to

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Speaker 2: us in part first person through an archival interview of Barry,

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Speaker 2: great grandson, Tracy and Ben Jones. Barry started the Houston

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Speaker 2: Hounds are just part of the plot. I really doubt

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Speaker 2: that you're going to want to miss this one.

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Speaker 1: He said I had to take revenge, and he said

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Speaker 2: My name is Clay Nukem, and this is the Bear

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Speaker 2: Grease Podcast where we'll explore things forgotten but relevant, search

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Speaker 2: for insight and unlikely places, and where we'll tell the

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Speaker 2: story of Americans who live their lives close to the land,

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Speaker 2: presented by FHF gear, American made, purpose built hunting and

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Speaker 2: fishing gear that's designed to be as rugged as the place.

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Speaker 2: As we explore, I'm in Greenville, Tennessee, at the home

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Speaker 2: of Tracy Jones. He's sitting on the left side of

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Speaker 2: Across a pasture, I can see a grand view of

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Speaker 2: weather worn mountains like mute time capsules. They've witnessed the

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Speaker 2: Plot Genesis Center in Haywood County, North Carolina. Tracy is

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Speaker 2: Between here and the hills, about one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: Are you there, hey? Mom Y? I was asking Aunt

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Speaker 2: I told you this story was bigger than plot hounds.

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Speaker 2: But somewhere deep in the marrow of it will find them.

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Speaker 2: Barry was elected constable, a law enforcement position in the

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Speaker 1: Not every moonshine i was a murderer. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: They went from would Oh and it drove my Grandpa

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: They hated Barry because he was relentless in his pursuit

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Speaker 2: extremely good at his job. The men who bombed Barry's

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Speaker 2: Bob Plot Yes, our friend author and plot descendant, Bob

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Speaker 2: Tracy had prodded him on why he got into law enforcement.

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Speaker 2: It was deeply personal.

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Speaker 1: Got started.

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Speaker 6: One of them got killed.

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Speaker 7: The guy shifted up behind him because through and he

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Speaker 7: back that time, we had a lot of killing. It

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Speaker 6: Get heard of.

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Speaker 2: Two of Barry's six brothers got killed in relation to alcohol.

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Speaker 2: He said there was a lot of killing in the

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Speaker 1: it very much, but the moonshine deal was a big

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Speaker 3: They were moonshining.

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Speaker 1: No. The one brother went to the home of some people,

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Speaker 2: That's some interesting insight from Tracy. Let's keep going into

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Speaker 2: this story. So Barry Tarleton, your grandfather, both his brothers

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Speaker 2: were killed, murdered, murdered because of alcohol related incidents here

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Speaker 3: And then what did he do.

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Speaker 1: Well, His words to me were this, he said, I

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Speaker 3: Revenge, revenge. He used the word revenge.

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Speaker 1: He used the word revenge. He said I had to

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Speaker 1: That's not Papall's motive. He could have cared less about

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Speaker 1: Patpaull cleaned the place up and he was viewed as

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Speaker 2: Barry Tarlton was an undisputed hero in Green County, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: To this day, I'd say, if you ask a long

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Speaker 3: We'll get there.

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Speaker 2: Tracy and I were on a drive down a gravel road.

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Speaker 2: We pulled over when we saw a lady that he knew.

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Speaker 2: I'm nervous to put the mic in her face. Tracy

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Speaker 2: Tracy's never heard this story before.

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Speaker 1: He was interested in the customable work he did and

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Speaker 3: She just said, he caught my daddy a few times.

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Speaker 2: Can I record you telling this story?

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Speaker 3: I won't, I won't, I won't. Yeah, tell me the story.

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Speaker 3: Tell me again. So Barry caught your dad? Is that

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Speaker 8: Daddy had gone over to wards over here and got

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Speaker 8: didn't know how to drive, but Barry didn't know that,

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Speaker 2: Did, and he took your dad to jail. We continue

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Speaker 2: Tracy had never heard this story either.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's kind of awkward just driving up in somebody

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Speaker 3: Law man? Yeah, he was a law man.

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Speaker 4: When I was young, me and my cousin used to

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Speaker 3: Here a gunshots.

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Speaker 4: Here come Borie chasing somebody.

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Speaker 7: They're shooting back and forth.

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Speaker 4: Me and him had to get off the bicycles and

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Speaker 8: Is that right?

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Speaker 3: You remember a gunfight? Oh yeah, they're going on by

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Speaker 4: That didn't help, but they didn't didn't stop right there.

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Speaker 3: But well, he finally would know. Did you ever learn

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Speaker 3: what the story was? He called them moonshiners.

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Speaker 4: Moonshiners, moonshiner that's what he's mostly done. This areas chase moonshiners.

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Speaker 4: He is a good man.

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Speaker 7: He is.

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Speaker 4: He is a deacon in our church. Okay, that's how

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Speaker 7: I know today I was driving up metal here one

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Speaker 7: whiskey can tell you.

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Speaker 6: And I was made.

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Speaker 7: He go to congress.

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Speaker 6: He was shot. I did a shot back.

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Speaker 7: Right on lef throat Darren Frond coaching or eisas playing

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Speaker 6: And he says, I talked the man he care somebody

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Speaker 7: I should rast it.

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Speaker 2: When the guy pulled over, he didn't know that Barry

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Speaker 2: of these stories is how common shootouts were, and Barry

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Speaker 3: But here's another. It's short but shocking.

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Speaker 2: He starts off by saying they tried to bushwhack me

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Speaker 7: They tried to push one time, Tommy garn there's some

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Speaker 2: He just said they bush whacked him and shot his

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Speaker 2: a little bit. I'm telling you, Hollywood would have a

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Speaker 2: of Barry. In East Tennessee, he once busted a thousand

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Speaker 2: a murder case. One of the young Moonshiners had killed

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Speaker 2: pair of pliers for seventy eight cents and hid the

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Speaker 2: of him and found the body. This stuff is wild,

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Speaker 2: and don't forget that. This is the story about plot hounds.

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Speaker 2: So don't get too enamored with all these wild stories

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Speaker 2: gree stuff, man. But I want to learn how Barry,

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Speaker 3: Here's Tracy.

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Speaker 1: So what did he do?

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Speaker 3: How would he a constable go about breaking up some

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Speaker 1: Well, it's basically two things that just happened over and

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 1: That was just sometimes they were there, sometimes they were not.

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Speaker 1: You don't see smoke at night, but you know. Then

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Speaker 1: And Papal told me that they wouldn't go through Hot

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Speaker 1: Everybody likes to talk about how well moonshiners can drive,

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Speaker 3: That's the folklore around NASCAR that it started with guys

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I get a kick out of it because

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Speaker 1: I say, well, if you think the moonshiners can drive,

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Speaker 1: you ought to have met the revenuers because they run

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Speaker 2: Grandma riding down the road with a load of liquor.

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Speaker 2: Now that's interesting. We're going to learn quite a bit

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Speaker 2: Hazel and they were a unique pair. But hold your

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Speaker 2: to Barry's family, his work, and his plot hounds. His

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Speaker 2: On the last episode, we explored the American plot house

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Speaker 2: and grins. But the conclusion we arrived at is it

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Speaker 2: doesn't really matter how the dogs got here, whether those

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Speaker 2: The Plot dog arose from the frontier hollows of southern

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Speaker 2: kept in regional isolation by a tight circle of bear

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Speaker 3: In the early nineteen hundreds.

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Speaker 2: When this part of Appalachia began to open up, sports

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Speaker 2: their mind the finest hounds on planet Earth. This isn't hearsay.

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Speaker 2: This happens a lot. As a matter of fact, I

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Speaker 2: Spain reaching out to me wanting to buy America plot hounds.

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Speaker 2: Like I said from the beginning, the most interesting thing

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Speaker 1: Here's Tracy Well to me, it was my papa. That's

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Speaker 1: He bought the farm that we live on. He bought

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Speaker 2: Hazel, Barry's wife, would never leave her home place. That's

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Speaker 2: where she and Barry lived their whole lives. Barry was

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Speaker 2: also deputized in Madison County, North Carolina, so he could

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Speaker 1: His daily routine was insane his whole life. He had

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Speaker 1: very early and he worked till two thirty or three

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00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: at the milk plant. He would get off from there

438
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: go buy the farm, feed or whatever he had to

439
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: do cattle, farm, cattle, hogs, tobacco, hay. Then he would

440
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: go home and feed his dogs. He kept a lot

441
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: of dogs, you know, sometimes as many as twenty. There

442
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: was no too many dogs for him. I tell this

443
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,399
Speaker 1: story a lot. His wife's name was Hazel. He had

444
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 1: an old seventy eight Ford truck and you could hear

445
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 1: him coming about a half a mile away, had big

446
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 1: little called co op gripspur tires. You could hear him

447
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,200
Speaker 1: rumbling down the road. Dogs go wild when they'd hear him.

448
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: When mamma would hear him coming, she would have supper making.

449
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,080
Speaker 1: He would go up in the doll lock to feed,

450
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 1: which was on a hillside. And he was a very

451
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 1: strong guy. He could carry two five gallon buckets of

452
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: water uphill up into his seventies. And while he fed

453
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: and water at his dogs, she would get supper ready.

454
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: And when I say ready, I don't mean just cooked.

455
00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,240
Speaker 1: When he walked in the house it would be on

456
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: the table. He would sit down the table eat while

457
00:25:56,359 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: he ate she would go draw his bath water. When

458
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: he got eating, he got up from the table, he

459
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: would go take a bath. While he was taking a bath,

460
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: she went got his pajamas, whatever he was going to

461
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 1: wear to sleep in, got all that ready for him,

462
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: brought it to him. He come out of the bathtub,

463
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 1: sat down in his chair, and every night he watched

464
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: the news. He was insane about it. He listened to

465
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: an hour of news like it was a religion. When

466
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: the news went off while he was watching that, she

467
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: would go turn his bed down, just fold his covers down.

468
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: But by eight o'clock he went to bed. When he

469
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: went to bed, she went back into the kitchen and

470
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: she would take a bowl of cereal, pour his cereal out,

471
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: put the sugar on it, cover it with a luminium foil,

472
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: and set out a care for him. The next day,

473
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: pack his lunch in his lunch box, put it in

474
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: the refrigerator. And that was their relationship. She loved him,

475
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: he loved her, yep, And she never wanted much. She

476
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: just didn't care for things. But she always wanted a

477
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: good car, and so he would always keep her a

478
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: good vehicle. And she drove like a maniac, you know,

479
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 1: everybody talks about your grandma driving real slow and putting around.

480
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: She had white knuckle you on the roads down through

481
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: the valley where they lived. When I tell that story,

482
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 1: it makes her sound like some little passive housewife that

483
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: got run over by some overbearing guy. But nothing was

484
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: further from the truth. She was a pistol. She was

485
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: just old school, and she believed that her joint life

486
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,879
Speaker 1: come from taking care of him. And she went to

487
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 1: town once a week on Thursdays to get her hair

488
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: done and get groceries. Wouldn't go outside the house with

489
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: her makeup on today to be country. Everybody thinks, you know,

490
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: being country is dressing down. But the old Mountain people

491
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 1: they were not that way. The old Mountain people were

492
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: not nasty, crude people. The mountain people I grew up around,

493
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: they had work clothes. Then they usually had good clothes,

494
00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: and some of them would have what they called their

495
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: Sunday best, even if it was one fair overalls that

496
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: were only word.

497
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: Of church, old school, he called them.

498
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: Barry and Hazel were married sixty three years until his

499
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: death in twenty twelve. She adored him and he adored her.

500
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 2: The covenant until death. To his part was real to them.

501
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 3: We're getting a.

502
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 2: Peak through the veil of time into Appalachia. It might

503
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: be easy to point a finger and say the housewife

504
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 2: of the nineteen fifties America is a relic of the past.

505
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: In some ways it is. It's easy to recognize.

506
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 2: The perceived faults of the past generation and identified the

507
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: way that our society has progressed above those faults. But

508
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: it's harder to understand how we've digressed. How modernity, technology,

509
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: social norms, these things new to humanity have crept in

510
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 2: like a thief. Our current faults and the fruit that

511
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,719
Speaker 2: produced in decades to come will one day be evident.

512
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: Many are already evident. But it's just interesting to think about. Again.

513
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful for this recording that we have of Barry.

514
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 2: How would you like to hear him tell the story

515
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 2: of how he met Hazel. I want to hear it

516
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: straight from the man himself.

517
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 7: Well, one Sunday evening, there's an a little thirty five

518
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 7: ford down through the valley, and she was walked. It's

519
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 7: a road there there. Neighbor rights out a bit of

520
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 7: bit uh huh. I stopped and ask her what she's doing.

521
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 6: She says, she's waiting on a board friend. I said,

522
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 6: you get a board friend. She said yeah. I said, well,

523
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 6: get ready him.

524
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: I'd like to.

525
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 6: She said, are you kids? I said no, I am here.

526
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 6: So next week they didn't come to show back head

527
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 6: And next week I come back now. And she got

528
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 6: rid of it. And so and she come down to

529
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 6: the store where I was at a little store where

530
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 6: I worked in. I understand it.

531
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 7: She said, turn in and horses out there the man.

532
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 7: So he let her go and I got her be

533
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 7: with her sixty he's sixty two years.

534
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: Get rid of him because I'd like to go on

535
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: a date with you. He said, Now that's bold.

536
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: Then Hazel proceeded to call him out to the storekeeper,

537
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 2: pointing at Barry, saying that's the man I'm gonna marry.

538
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: We're kind of building this story backwards. But here's more

539
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 2: from Tracy on Barry's early life. And this is all

540
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: starting to make sense. And remember this is a story

541
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: about plot hounds or plot dogs. Here's Tracy on what

542
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: I call possum poverty.

543
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: Papa Barry was born in nineteen twenty eight February of

544
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty eight. He was born in Houston, valley, you know,

545
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: not in a hospital. I'd have to sit down and

546
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: count them. But he had six or seven brothers and

547
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: one sister. He was really close to that family, you know.

548
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: They were very tight knit, and it's one of the

549
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: neat things was all his life, even up into his eighties,

550
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: he always referred to his daddy as Poppy, and he

551
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 1: always caught his mom mommy. They were extremely poor. I'm

552
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: talking about destitute type poor family in the mountains there.

553
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: And when we say poverty, I mean if they caught

554
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: a possum that was too small for a meal, they

555
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: would put it in a cage and feed it until

556
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: it was large enough for a meal to have meat.

557
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: That's poverty. He was thirteen years old before I ever

558
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: went to town the first time, and they went on

559
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: a wagon. He said he was shocked because he thought

560
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 1: town was just one big building, because he'd all he

561
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: ever been to was a country store. He got the town,

562
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 1: saw those buildings, he couldn't believe it. He just thought

563
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: town was a bigger store. I can remember him telling

564
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: me that him and one of his brothers were sent

565
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: to the store with a dime. To walk to the

566
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: store with a dime and his brother wanted to take

567
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: it and keep it. He had a brother was a

568
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: little rough. I think he tried to cut Pap off

569
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: with the knife to take the dime. They fought over

570
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: it a dime. But I never knew them to be

571
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: an unhappy people. In fact, I would say, of all

572
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: the people that I've known in life, he probably handled

573
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: life better than anybody I've known. Just if he was

574
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: at work, he was happy because he grew up so poor.

575
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: He was always thankful to have a job. Within the

576
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: last two weeks, you know, there's there's a song dropped

577
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: some dude's mad about his job, and it's real popular

578
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: right now. Well, I think Papa started to work at

579
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: pat Milk at a quarter an hour, and he said

580
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: he was lucky to get the job because everybody wanted it.

581
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: Coming out of depression. He wouldn't be singing no song

582
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: about how much he hated his job. He'd laugh about

583
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: people talking about the good old days. He told me

584
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: one day, and he was laughing about it. He said,

585
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: I remember them good old days. He said, I don't

586
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: want no more of them good old days.

587
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

588
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: Fattening a possum out until it's big enough for a

589
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: decent meal. Is an acute anecdote, a genuine look into

590
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: hard scrabble poverty, giving us more insight than a government

591
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: tax return ever could. And I think it's important to

592
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: interject something made clear to me about Barry. It's that

593
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: he was a modern man, all for social, economic, and

594
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 2: technological progress. Of his three grandchildren, one became a pastor,

595
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 2: one has a doctorate a nursing.

596
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 3: And another a lawyer.

597
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 2: And for all the hound people out there, he loved

598
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 2: tracking callers when they came out. Here's more from Tracy.

599
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: I say this a lot. When I was young, men

600
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: bragged on how hard they work. Well, we've got the point.

601
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: Now people brag on how hard they don't work. That

602
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: was a foreign concept to the old people. You would

603
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: never meet an old mountain person who bragged on being lazy.

604
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: Oh you can ask somebody now, Like you stopped by

605
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: the story, You see a bunch of people sit around

606
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: the stairs, say, way up to not much, not much

607
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 1: of anything. Ain't getting nothing done today? Laugh about it.

608
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: The old people, they wouldn't want to be associated with

609
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: laziness whatsoever, not even in a joke. But he loved work,

610
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 1: But mostly he loved his dogs. So that's kind of

611
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 1: poverty we're talking about. Well, through work and multiple jobs,

612
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: including the factory, the farming, the constable work. He never stopped,

613
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: he worked constantly. It would save you know, every penny

614
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: he could get saved. They were able to build a house,

615
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,319
Speaker 1: keep decent vehicles, got to where they could take family vacations.

616
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is Papa, on fifty cents an

617
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: hour could buy a farm. Now, Papa's grandparents only farmed.

618
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,359
Speaker 1: So you went from only farming to having a job

619
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: to still keep the farm, to be nearly impossible to

620
00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: get a farm the time my generation came along, you

621
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: had to go out and get a white collar type

622
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 1: job or inherit land to be able to have a farm.

623
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: Where we live, the land value so high that it

624
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: was greater than the land's productive ability. So when we

625
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: talk about poverty, you may have a kid with a

626
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 1: nice car and a nice iPhone, he'll never own fifty

627
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: acres land. Do you see what I'm saying?

628
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you describe that so well, what does that mean? Well?

629
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: I think it means that we viewed people as really

630
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: poor who had things more important than we have, and

631
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: we view ourselves as really rich with things that are

632
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: not very important.

633
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: Tracy has brought up a philosophical question about poverty. Is

634
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 2: it completely understood through finances? Who actually was poor? That's

635
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 2: something to think about that tickles to the point of

636
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 2: cracking the very foundations of our modern society. Perhaps our

637
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: generation has been hypnotized by overpriced trinkets, giving us a

638
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: sense of financial superiority over past generations, while things of

639
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 2: significant real value are being taking from us while in

640
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 2: a glazed stupor. I've got a question for you. How

641
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 2: do you evaluate your own life's meaning and value? Is

642
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: it weighed heavily in economic, social status and external achievement.

643
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 2: I don't think Tracy is suggesting that meaning in life

644
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: is calculated by owning land.

645
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 3: Either.

646
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna let that cast iron skillet soak in some

647
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: warm water before we try to scrub it out. Tracy

648
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: keeps coming back to Barry loving as dogs, but he

649
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 2: didn't just love any dogs. He loved plot dogs. We're

650
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: going to get into the details of Barry's line of

651
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,319
Speaker 2: Houston Valley plots, but we need to understand the deep

652
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: history of hounds and the Appalachian people. This is fascinating

653
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: and if you haven't picked it up yet, Tracy Jones

654
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: is an articulate and insightful fellow.

655
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: Here's Tracy.

656
00:36:59,040 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: To me.

657
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 1: To underst stand the Appalachian people, you have to understand

658
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: that this area was settled by primarily Scots, Irish people

659
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 1: and some Germans, but they are all immigrants. Well, the

660
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: reason they ended up in these mountains is because nobody

661
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: else wanted them. It's hard to make a living here

662
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 1: with a you know, a mewle and forty acres, so

663
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: the people moved in here. A lot of them come

664
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: off the border wars between Scotland and England and all

665
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: that was going on there, and they fought over there

666
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: like cats and dogs, over borders and especially family honor.

667
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: You know, if you I read a book one time

668
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: on why the mountain people, you know, fought each other

669
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: so much like the hat Fields of McCoy's, and the

670
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: author really said, it just come down to one thing,

671
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: his family honor. And you'd rather be dead as somebody

672
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: to slight your family. But over in you know what

673
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: the old timers always referred to as the Old Country.

674
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: They didn't have their own land. It was owed by

675
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: somebody else. You know, if they had a horse, that

676
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: would have just been some kind of service horse, and

677
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have had hounds at all, because they wouldn't

678
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: have been allowed to hunt. That'd been saved for the nobility.

679
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: So when they finally got in here, they were poor.

680
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: But the one thing they could do is they could

681
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: raise stock, and the hound put them on the same

682
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: level as the people they used to be under the

683
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: thumb of. For instance, George Washington was a houndsman, but

684
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: he was wealthy. But a guy in these mountains could

685
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: raise a fox dog that could be better than George

686
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: Washington's and there was nothing Washington could do to get it.

687
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: And then they felt the same way about their horses.

688
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: They got to raising horses, and they would have local

689
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: horse races, and the poorest dude in the country could

690
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 1: end up with the fastest horse. And he may not

691
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: have a nickel to his name, but if he beats

692
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: you every serre the horse race, he was the man.

693
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: I think that the horses and the hounds became so

694
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: important to the mountain people because they had lived for

695
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: centuries under the thumbs of other people, and now they

696
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: could be on top at the things that were the

697
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: most important to the people that had them under thumb.

698
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: The deep roots of why people love what they love

699
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 2: and how the value of that thing has passed from

700
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 2: generation to generation isn't always externally obvious. Here it touched

701
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 2: the very foundation of the human class structure. Hounds were

702
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: something that money and class couldn't manipulate, but whether it

703
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: was earned through generational persistence, ingenuity, woodsmanship, and crafty breeding,

704
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 2: the horse and hound delivered a sense of freedom independence.

705
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: Most of these mountain people didn't have money, but they

706
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: had hounds. Today this artifact is still evident, but.

707
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: I think it's ingrained in our psyche now that those

708
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: are the things that not only put you on the

709
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: same level as the rich guy, but in some cases

710
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: put you above him. It ain't a thing he can

711
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,240
Speaker 1: do about it. You may never have his thousand acres,

712
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: you may never have his clothes, you may never have

713
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: the future. He could have his kids because of his money,

714
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: but he can't have your dog, and he can't have

715
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: your horse, no matter how much money he's got.

716
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 3: It feels like it feels like too that with these

717
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: strains of dogs like your family has, it's handing down

718
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 3: a cultural heritage to them. That is not in the

719
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 3: form of finances.

720
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: And that's really unique, especially as intact as it is

721
00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: like what I see, and it would be with other

722
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: breeds of dogs and other places, but specifically with the

723
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: Plot breed. There are Plot families that have handed down

724
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: these tight strains of dogs for generations, like a financial inheritance,

725
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: and that's really special.

726
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: That is special.

727
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 2: Money is handy, and we could all use a little more,

728
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 2: but the delivery of a cultural inheritance is true power

729
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 2: beyond the physical flesh and bone of something that will

730
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 2: eventually fade back into the earth, like a buried hound,

731
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: the beast becomes a host or a carrier of family identity.

732
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 2: Physical things can be temporary tools to deliver imperishable things.

733
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: Financial distribution has never, nor ever will be just, but

734
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: neither are hounds. In the words of plot historian John Jackson,

735
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: most people have not been bequeathed a royal strain of

736
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 2: Mountain bear dogs, but some have. I want you to

737
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 2: meet Ben Jones, Barry's great grandson. He's twenty nine years old.

738
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: We're in the dog lot looking at a bunch of

739
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: dark brindle hounds. So how would you describe to me

740
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: the way these dogs look like these what do they

741
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: look like?

742
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: Well?

743
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 9: I like a dog that is long legged with a

744
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:19,239
Speaker 9: small framed body, not huge bones. And I don't like

745
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 9: a super long ear on a dog. I don't want

746
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 9: to pass their nose for sure.

747
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 3: What's the premium plot bare hound color? How would you

748
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: describe it?

749
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 9: Right there? I like them jet black with just a

750
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 9: enough brindled restroom.

751
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: Ben is typically a man of few words but lots

752
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: of action. I find myself hesitating to brag on young

753
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: men for fear that my words would entice them to

754
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: succumb to the darkest villain of their age category, their

755
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 2: greatest potential weakness, pride. But I followed Ben in the mountains,

756
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 2: and I can tell you Ben is not just a

757
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 2: plot man. He's a bear hunter who could stand with

758
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 2: the best hunters who've ever laid a boot sole in

759
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 2: these mountains. Ben Jones is the real deal, and he

760
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: is and has been the Jedi master breeder of the

761
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 2: Houston Valley plot line for the last ten years. Do

762
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 2: you ever think about how I mean, these dogs and

763
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: some of the dogs and these other places are the

764
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it wouldn't take but a generation to lose

765
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 2: all this I mean in terms of the kind of

766
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 2: the legacy of your family and stuff.

767
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: Do you ever think about that?

768
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: I mean, especially with losing you know, it's dangerous hunting

769
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: dogs and stuff.

770
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's actually almost happened to her or three times

771
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 9: in prior years. I mean, I've a forked my life

772
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 9: into trying to hold onto that strain without breaking it.

773
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 9: And to this point it's still an unbroken chain since

774
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 9: nineteen fifty three.

775
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,919
Speaker 3: Why do you like a plot dog more than another dog?

776
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: Well, truthfully, I don't like plots over other.

777
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 9: Dogs, but I like my plots.

778
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 2: In that statement, you see the practicality of these Appalachian

779
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: plot men, And like I said, in some ways we're

780
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 2: telling this story backwards. I want to ask Tracy how

781
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: Barry got started in plots. Here's what he said.

782
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: What pat Ball said was he coon hunted a lot.

783
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: His daddy was a cat hunter. Bob cat hunted, and

784
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,840
Speaker 1: so they learned and enjoyed dogs from their daddy. I

785
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: guess they got to get in tree dogs, and in

786
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: doing that they got to train a bear every now

787
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: and then, like in the fifties, and somewhere along the line,

788
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: he was having a discussion with some folks, and von

789
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: Plott was involved, and he said, if you're going to

790
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: be serious about bear hunting, you need to get plots.

791
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: And Vaughn wouldn't let him have a dog, wouldn't sell

792
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 1: him a pupp or nothing.

793
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,440
Speaker 3: He said, you got to get plots, but you're not

794
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 3: getting them from me.

795
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what they told me. So he found a

796
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: female dog, got a Kentucky. Like I said, they didn't

797
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: sit around talk about history match. They talked about what

798
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: they did last week. We don't know exactly when he

799
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: got his first plot, but we know he gave a

800
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: pup to my cousin Charles in nineteen sixty five out

801
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: of a litter, so we dated from sixty five that

802
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: we know for a fact he raised litter plots, but

803
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: he had plots prior to that. Well. In the early

804
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: seventies he made friends with Gene White, and Papa got

805
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 1: a young female from Gene, brought it up here and

806
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: she got hurt on a bear. And when she got hurt,

807
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: she was crippled and couldn't hunt anymore. Traded her back

808
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: to Gene and she became sort of Gene's really. I

809
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 1: think a real significant portion of what he ended up

810
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: breeding over time as a brute jip and then in

811
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 1: trade papall got a female and on the papers her

812
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: name is Roberta, and from her I think Ben told

813
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: me history she read five times. Roberta became the foundation

814
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,439
Speaker 1: of the whole deal. And then that's still what Ben

815
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,439
Speaker 1: was talking about, the unbroken line from Roberta to now.

816
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 1: There's been outcrosses, but the breeding decisions was made in

817
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 1: the family all the way back to her. I think

818
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: there was maybe sixteen generations. Now.

819
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: You may remember von Plott from the first episode. He

820
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 2: was the great great grandson of George or Johannes Plott

821
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: who started the breed. I think it's funny but fitting

822
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 2: that Vaughn told Barry, you need plots for Bear, but

823
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 2: you're not going to get any from me. Like Ben said,

824
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 2: Barry got started in plots in the early nineteen fifties,

825
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 2: but it wasn't until the mid sixties that they were

826
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: able to start documenting the Houston Valley line of plots.

827
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 2: And in the nineteen seventies they really began to take

828
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: off with a legendary jip named Roberto. I want now

829
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 2: to ask Tracy about strains of plots and what that means.

830
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 1: Well, that really answers the question. That back to something

831
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: Ben said a few minutes ago when you asked Ben

832
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: about plots and he said, well, what I really like

833
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: is my own. That's not an arrogant statement. What Ben

834
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: was saying was the overall breed of plot itself is

835
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: not a cohesive breed. It's splintered into strains. So if

836
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: you say what are the characteristics of a plot, it's

837
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: really a too general of a question because there's no

838
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,239
Speaker 1: such thing as a standard that plots have been bred

839
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: to meet across the country. There's no governing board. So

840
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: a guy across the mountain there his plots may have

841
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,600
Speaker 1: a rental hide like mine, but be nothing like mine

842
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 1: at all. So you can't say that a breed is

843
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: characterized by certain traits because it's not that way. Strains

844
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: strain simply mean a narrow breeding philosophy among certain families

845
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: or groups. Well, I mean, you're friends with Roy Clark,

846
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: and what you'll find is people that bear hunt, and

847
00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: especially from the mountains. If they're serious. I'm not talking

848
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: about people who just you know, hunt here and there

849
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,959
Speaker 1: and don't care, but serious people, if they breed plot

850
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: bear dogs, and they live in these mountains. There're gonna

851
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: be a lot of like, a lot of like, because

852
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: they've got to do the same thing.

853
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 2: If you followed bear Grease for a long time, surely

854
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: you've heard of bear Grease Hall of Famer Roy Clark

855
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 2: of Cock County, Tennessee. We did a series with the

856
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: Clarks on episode eight and ten of bear Grease. We

857
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: also did a big video with mister Roy that's on

858
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 2: the media YouTube channel. Tracy thinks the world of the

859
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: Clarks and there are many great strains of plots and

860
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 2: many worthy worthy plot men, but there just isn't enough

861
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 2: bear Grease to go aroun to tell all their stories.

862
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: But we don't have to take it from Tracy on

863
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: how to breed a good bear dog. How about we

864
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 2: hear it directly from Barry. Here's a short, simple explanation

865
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 2: from him.

866
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 7: Of course, when I've bred a dog, greet a dog.

867
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 7: But I always breed to this female old guy. She

868
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 7: ain't don't care. I'm breeding uh good. And he's gotta

869
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 7: be getting to you, you know not because papers are

870
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 7: good and I ain't gonna break to yes, sir, I

871
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 7: want to get those on. And you got all Adrea

872
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 7: and his real friendly almost like I have that was

873
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 7: friendly dog Elon, you know.

874
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 6: And when it comes to Barry, I all to get

875
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 6: a difference.

876
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 2: Every time I've been around a successful old time dog breeder,

877
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: I'm surprised at how simple they make it seem. He

878
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 2: said he wants nos and grit, and by grit he

879
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 2: means a dog's ability and desire to not afraid of

880
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 2: a mean bear. But it's interesting that he wanted them

881
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 2: friendly to a human like a house dog. But he

882
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 2: said when it comes to bear, they're all together different.

883
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 2: I had a specific question for Ben about this Shuston

884
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 2: Valley line. We're back in the dog lot, standing in

885
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 2: front of most of the living animals of the Houston

886
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: Valley plot line. Is that do you think a dog

887
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 2: like that, like the best dog in your pack, would

888
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: be as good a dog as the Houston Valley line

889
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: has ever had? Like, when you think about a line

890
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 2: of dogs that is seventy years old, are the dogs

891
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 2: getting better? With Barry Tarleton think that was the best

892
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: dog in the country.

893
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 9: Well, I really don't want to say that, because there

894
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 9: are so many years of dogs that I never gotten

895
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 9: to see to evaluate myself. But I can tell you

896
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 9: as far as overall hunting, the dogs that are tied

897
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 9: here now have seen more game and been more places

898
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 9: than they ever would have prior. Part to see so

899
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 9: much more out of them. I mean we're going everywhere

900
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 9: and also hog hunt them, and you know, it's just

901
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 9: a more well rounded dog. They get to see more

902
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 9: and you get to see more out of them. I mean,

903
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 9: when you're hunting them that much, you're going to find

904
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 9: the flaws that you wouldn't have never even seen before.

905
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 9: You also find the you know, the better qualities, but

906
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 9: you find the bad ones too.

907
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 2: There's got to be a strong ability to remove personal

908
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 2: bias when truly breeding top notch animals. You've got to

909
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,400
Speaker 2: be able to see the good and the bad, and

910
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 2: in the case of these family lines, you've got to

911
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 2: be able to remove the emotional ties to the dogs

912
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 2: that could easily lead the breeder astray.

913
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 3: Here's more from Tracy on Barry's bear hunting.

914
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: This to me is crazy. You take people who have

915
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: to work like dogs to make a living, and now

916
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: all the Mountain people did the factory work. They work

917
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: like dogs. They're farming. They had to work like dogs.

918
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,879
Speaker 1: And then you picked bear hunting for your hobby. You're

919
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: not getting the day off man, Yeah, yeah, why do

920
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 1: you pick bear hunting for a hobby? There's no rest

921
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: with that. You're gonna probably work harder that day than

922
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: the five days you just worked. So to me, that

923
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: tells you a lot about the kind of people you're

924
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: dealing with. They were not looking for a day off.

925
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,440
Speaker 3: It's hard to understand it if you haven't been on

926
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 3: an Appalachian bear hound hunt. But it's hard work. Here's

927
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 3: more from Tracy on hunting with Berry.

928
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: So we'd be up on the mountain and he had

929
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: this ongoing thing with my cousin Rocky about old slew

930
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 1: Foot and that was this mythical bear that was the

931
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: biggest one in the mountains. You know, never killed him.

932
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if we ever even running, you know,

933
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: but we'd turn loose dogs, be running. Papa get wired up.

934
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 1: I mean he'd be he's seventy some years old, be

935
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: wired up like a thirteen year old boy. When he

936
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: would drive in normal everyday driving, he drove the slowest guy.

937
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: He's the guy that you did not want to pull

938
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: out in front of you. So up on the mountain

939
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: he'd drive faster up there in a bar pursuit. Maybe

940
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: then he would going down the Nashville Highway, he'd just

941
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,240
Speaker 1: lose his marbles and his hands would get so nervous.

942
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: He'd pat the steering wheel like see, just patted this fast.

943
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: He could pat, just wild eyed crazy about it. He said,

944
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: we'ren't hot pursuit. We're in hot pursuit. He loved, Oh

945
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: my goodness, he loved it withever fiber of his being.

946
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 1: He couldn't wait to do it. I mean, he worked

947
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: because he had to eat, and he did the comfortable

948
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: work because he didn't want his family living in a

949
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: community that he considered to be unsafe and trashed. But

950
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: he bear hunted because he loved it. I mean, I've

951
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 1: known lots of bear hunters, and I'm not going to

952
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: say that when I was growing up Houston Valley plots

953
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: were better than the people's dogs. I would not do that.

954
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 1: I would not say that now. But I am saying

955
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: that he loved them, and he loved the plot breed.

956
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: He had some dogs that were not plots when I

957
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: was When he was younger, he had some great dogs

958
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: he couldnu and he ordered a couple of blueticks from

959
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: Dell Lee one time. But once he got Plots, he

960
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: just fell in love with him. There was nothing like

961
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: a plot to him. He knew there was good dogs

962
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,800
Speaker 1: and ever breed. He wasn't stupid, but Plots was his dogs,

963
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: and man, he loved them. I mean the guys over

964
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: here in the mountains, Manna, they would rag him all

965
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: the time. They would take a walker dog and sneak

966
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: it putting his dog box and take a picture of it,

967
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: just to say he had a walker in his blots

968
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: if they killed a bear. And when he got older,

969
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: everybody was really good to him, you know, they'd still

970
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: let him get his dog, get down by the bear

971
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: and have his picture took with it, you know, like

972
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: he had done everything that day himself. They'd run in

973
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: with a couple of walkers on the lead, try to

974
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: get into the picture before he could get up, you know,

975
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: and he'd just carry on how he had get that

976
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: dog out of there. And then he wouldn't do this.

977
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:02,879
Speaker 1: He wouldn't do it if it was in danger getting

978
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: run over or something. If he was going up a

979
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: mountain road, if somebody spotted dog was you know, walking

980
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,720
Speaker 1: up the road, he just drive on bite. I say, Papabo,

981
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: stop here, let me get that guy die. I own

982
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: that dog, my dog box. Ain't putting that white dog

983
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: in there, and everybody loved him for it, you know,

984
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,879
Speaker 1: uh huh, he ain't gonna pick it up, yeh putting

985
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: it in his box.

986
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: The hound world has an ongoing favorite breed rivalry. It's

987
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 2: NonStop and seems to track deep into hound history. I

988
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 2: want to go back to the dog lot with Ben

989
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: and ask him a question about the level of commitment

990
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 2: it takes to maintain a truly top notch pack of hounds.

991
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 3: What's it take for somebody to keep a bare pack

992
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 3: all year? I mean, most people can't do this. Most

993
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: people can couldn't have all these dogs and train them

994
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: and be dedicated to him like this. I mean, like

995
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 3: this is a major lifestyle commitment.

996
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:05,320
Speaker 9: Well, honestly, you have to sacrifice almost everything else. And

997
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 9: that's why I don't judge somebody who tries to hunt.

998
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 9: You know, they work a full time job over time,

999
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 9: and they get to hunt two days a week during

1000
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 9: kill season. A lot of people want to hack on them.

1001
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 9: I don't feel privileged to do what I do, but

1002
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 9: I've sacrificed a lot almost. I mean, don't go to

1003
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 9: the lake, never been to the beach, never been on

1004
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 9: a vacation other than hunting in my life, and I

1005
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 9: wouldn't trade it. But most people aren't going to give

1006
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 9: up all that just to chase the bar.

1007
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 1: I think it's awesome to know that in the early

1008
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 1: seventies there's dogs that I would have gone hunting with.

1009
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't say hunted with, because I was just a

1010
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: kid that was tagged along in the early seventies, you know.

1011
00:56:53,640 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I was riding the truck and see what

1012
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: the big men did. But I know those dogs, and

1013
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,359
Speaker 1: I know what was said about those dogs by those men.

1014
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 1: I still have those memories. Four generations later, I get

1015
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 1: to see my son doing the same thing with dogs

1016
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 1: that are great grandchildren of the dogs I saw when

1017
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: I was a kid. Then I also get a kick

1018
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 1: out of knowing that in these mountains that the bear

1019
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: are the same children and grandchildren of the same bear

1020
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: we hunted when I was a kid. So it's like

1021
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: an ongoing drama series, generation after generation of us and

1022
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: the bear.

1023
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,400
Speaker 3: You think they know when they hear a Houston Valley

1024
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 3: plot coming, No, I.

1025
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: Don't think that, but I think it's I think it's

1026
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: a great story. The same bear are being hunted by

1027
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,600
Speaker 1: the same families, and it just goes on, and I

1028
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: hope it goes on for generations to come.

1029
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,480
Speaker 3: As we come to an end.

1030
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:54,919
Speaker 2: Here's Tracy with some powerful conclusions on Barry's life, going

1031
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 2: all the way back to his law enforcement days and

1032
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 2: his value system.

1033
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was not interested in the law for the

1034
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,200
Speaker 1: law's sake, So I wouldn't even say he agreed with

1035
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: all the laws. I wouldn't even say he was above

1036
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: that sometimes doing his own thing regardless of the law.

1037
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: But he just hated liquor. And one of the interesting

1038
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 1: traits of boy him too, is that he hated certain

1039
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 1: uses of language or offensive to him. There's an old

1040
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: Mountain word called blackguardish. That's the word blackguardish, yep. And

1041
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: if somebody were to say something like some particular slang

1042
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: type word for something, you know, that was crude to him,

1043
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: offensive to his mind, and it's that was a rough guy.

1044
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: But he had a sense of holiness for God that

1045
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: made some things not sacred to him. And if you

1046
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: address something that should have been considered sacred in a

1047
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: crude way to him. He would call that blackguardish.

1048
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: What do you think that meant?

1049
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: Crude, unacceptable, nasty.

1050
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 3: We were with a guy yesterday afternoon who was speaking

1051
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 3: about Barry, and he said he'd hunted with him thirty

1052
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 3: forty years ago, and he noted that Barry did not

1053
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: tolerate people around him using foul, crass language. Yeah, you know,

1054
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 3: I love it when I hear people that just have

1055
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 3: a standard and they're comfortable with that standard, and they're

1056
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 3: not trying to inflict it on people outside of their jurisdiction,

1057
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 3: but they have a standard.

1058
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I don't want to make him sound

1059
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: like a saint, and he wouldn't want to be made

1060
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: sound like a saint. He had his flaws, but what

1061
00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: he believed in he believed in pretty thoroughly. And I

1062
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: like that in a person, even if their beliefs different

1063
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: from mine, because I can trust that person. Papa was

1064
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: as friendly a man as you will have ever met, jovial,

1065
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: love life, laughed all the time. I'm not saying Papa

1066
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 1: was the best bearer hunter ever lived, because that just

1067
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 1: wouldn't be true, but I have said nobody enjoyed it more.

1068
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: He loved it. I absolutely loved it, could not wait

1069
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: to get up in the morning to go. But he

1070
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 1: had this aside to him that if you got to

1071
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 1: that point, he was dangerous. He was just a dangerous

1072
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 1: human being. But everybody loved him, everybody, everybody that well

1073
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: when he died. When he died, it was unbelievable that

1074
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 1: the people who come through the line, and people most

1075
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: of people his generation. He died in when he's eighty four,

1076
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:32,840
Speaker 1: so most of his friends were gone already. But it

1077
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: was amazing how many people who came through the line

1078
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: who said, he said, Barry Charlton was my best friend.

1079
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 1: Over and over and over.

1080
01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 3: People loved him, loved him.

1081
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: Barry Tarlton's story has opened up a unique window into Appalachia.

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Speaker 2: I knew this was going to be good, but more

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Speaker 2: than that, it opened the window into the life of

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Speaker 2: a unique man, loved and respected by so many. And

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Speaker 2: don't forget the only reason that you and I know

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Speaker 2: this story is because of the American plotthound. I can't

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Speaker 2: thank you enough for listening to Bear Grease. I don't

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Speaker 2: do this kind of stuff often, but if you would

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Speaker 2: like to hunt with Ben Jones and his strain of

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Speaker 2: Houston Valley plots. You probably can, that is, if you're

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Speaker 2: tough enough. Ben runs a bear hunting outfit called Pale

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Speaker 2: Horse Guide Service based out of.

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Speaker 3: Greenville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: You can see his ad in Bear Hunting Magazine or

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Speaker 2: just look him up online. Again, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for listening to Bear Grease. Share this episode with your friends,

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Speaker 2: leave us a review on iTunes, and don't forget about

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Speaker 2: Steve Ranella and I's new audio book now available for

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Speaker 2: pre order. It's called The Long Hunters seventeen sixty one

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Speaker 2: to seventeen seventy five. It's an incredible book about the

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Speaker 2: Foundation's really of American deer hunting and it's really good.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: You guys are gonna love it. I'm already looking forward

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Speaker 3: to the Render next week.