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Speaker 1: the happiness lab will be right back. I did write

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Speaker 1: a song called Happiness is drumming, and it turned into

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Speaker 1: one of the big Grateful Dead songs called Fireing on

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Speaker 1: the Mountain. As I chatted with Grateful Dead drummer Mickey Hart,

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Speaker 1: I was humbled to realize that he'd been carefully thinking

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Speaker 1: about the path to happiness long before many happiness experts

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Speaker 1: like me were even born. Life is short, and to

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Speaker 1: find happiness you have to be in the now, in

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Speaker 1: the moment that is happiness, which then you're living. You're

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Speaker 1: not living in the past, you're not living in the future.

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Speaker 1: You're living here now, and being in the moment will

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Speaker 1: eventually lead to something marvelous, magnificent. So that's how I

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Speaker 1: see yolo. Before talking to Mickey, I'd assumed his brand

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Speaker 1: of yolo would be lived fast and party like a

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Speaker 1: rock star. But apparently I and others have gotten Mickey's

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Speaker 1: original notion of yolo very very wrong. I never used

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Speaker 1: yolo when I was partying at all. I'd never even

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Speaker 1: thought of it, you know, like, Okay, let's have a

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Speaker 1: Yolo night for Mickey. The mantra that you only live

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Speaker 1: once isn't about partying. It's about making sure that you're

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Speaker 1: mean switching tracks whenever the urch strikes. To Mickey, yolo

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Speaker 1: means dedicating yourself to the things you love for the

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Speaker 1: long haul. Go at it with everything you have. I mean,

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Speaker 1: once you find it, there's no rest. It's not a

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Speaker 1: frivolous thing. It's a sohole thing. You know, when there's

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Speaker 1: a Yolo moment, you really know it, you don't want

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Speaker 1: to throw it away frivolously. It's more of a spiritual experience.

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Speaker 1: Mickey had exactly that kind of spiritual experience when he

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Speaker 1: and his wife first laid eyes on the property that

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Speaker 1: would later become Yolo Ranch. I know that we had

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Speaker 1: the chills when we came up the driveway and looked around.

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Speaker 1: It just had that big good feeling, like whoa gosh.

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Speaker 1: Once you feel it, you have to commit to it.

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Speaker 1: Mickey's version of yolo is the opposite of recklessness. He

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Speaker 1: thinks you should yell the acronym whenever you recognize that

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Speaker 1: you're ready to pick the person or career or home

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Speaker 1: that you're going to stick with for the long haul,

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Speaker 1: just as he did with his beloved Ranch. It was

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Speaker 1: a commitment that we knew was the right thing, and

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Speaker 1: Mickey did indeed fully dedicate himself to that new investment

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Speaker 1: more than three decades after he saw that real estate listing.

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Speaker 1: Yolo Ranch is still Mickey's home, as well as his

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Speaker 1: music studio and artistic retreat. Both of his kids grew

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Speaker 1: born in the bed we still have now. But the

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Speaker 1: multi decade commitment he's shown to Yolo Ranch is only

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Speaker 1: one example of the joy Mickey gets from dedicating himself

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Speaker 1: to long haul pursuits. That's the way it is with

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Speaker 1: me for everything I do or I don't do it. Period.

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Speaker 1: Take for example, the commitment that Mickey has made to

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Speaker 1: his now five decade plus career as a member of

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Speaker 1: the Grateful Dead. It's hard to make a living of

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Speaker 1: being a drummer. Mickey first committed to becoming a drummer

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Speaker 1: as a kid, but his loud attic practice sessions did

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Speaker 1: not impress the Heart family's downstairs neighbor. And he would

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Speaker 1: come up the stairs and bang on the door, and

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Speaker 1: my mom would open it and she would have a

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Speaker 1: broom and she would say to him, over my dead body,

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Speaker 1: and she closed the door on it. Dedicating himself to

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Speaker 1: the craft of percussion early on, also met missing out

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Speaker 1: on other teenage hobbies. I spent all my time in

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Speaker 1: the drum room in the music room in high school.

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Speaker 1: That's why he never graduated, because I was in the

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Speaker 1: music room with the drums. There is a downside to it,

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Speaker 1: you know, because it occupies so much of your time

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Speaker 1: and your energy, so you have to be careful of that.

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Speaker 1: Mickey also argues that we need to be careful when

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Speaker 1: a big yolo moment comes up. We need to make

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Speaker 1: sure that we're ready for the commitment. It's the courage

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Speaker 1: to give yourself to this feeling. You have to give

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Speaker 1: a big part of who you are if you're really

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Speaker 1: going to go yolo. Mickey admitted that he too has

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Speaker 1: been tempted to jump ship from his commitments. A lot

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Speaker 1: of things pop up you might want to do. I

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Speaker 1: brought a flute home once and my mother just she

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Speaker 1: almost fell down. But Mickey has seen the benefits that

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Speaker 1: come from sticking things out. The biggest upside he's observed

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Speaker 1: is that choosing to dedicate yourself for the long haul

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Speaker 1: can provide a sort of spiritual compass to guide you

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Speaker 1: when things get tough. I've wound up in trouble. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've been to jail a few times, and I did

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Speaker 1: all the wrong things she could do in your life.

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Speaker 1: But drumming somehow sustained me and allowed me to get

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Speaker 1: through all those dark times. Mickey has also observed that

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Speaker 1: sticking things out comes with a second big benefit. As

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Speaker 1: Pete Davis explained earlier, committing yourself to one particular person

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Speaker 1: or ranch, or craft or career allows the thing you

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Speaker 1: committed to to open itself up to you. If you

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Speaker 1: don't make that step, the doors will never open. You

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Speaker 1: don't know what door is going to open, but there

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Speaker 1: will be doors that opened that aren't fantastic. Mickey likes

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Speaker 1: to quote the writer Joseph Campbell. Joe and I were

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Speaker 1: good friends, the guy who coined the phrase follow your bliss,

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Speaker 1: doors will open where there were no doors. That's really

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Speaker 1: the Campbellian way of looking at things. But Mickey's the

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Speaker 1: first to admit that it takes faith to trust the

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Speaker 1: power of your commitments and that your psychological immune system

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Speaker 1: will be there to catch you if you fall. It

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Speaker 1: takes courage to go where you've never been before and

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Speaker 1: do what you've never done before. Or do something and

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Speaker 1: commit to it with everything you have. But that's okay

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Speaker 1: because that's the fun of all of it. That's life.

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Speaker 1: That's life. I mean, if you want yolo, you gotta

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Speaker 1: earn it. So Pete Davis was right. I and Drake

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Speaker 1: and so many others today have Mickey's Yolo acronym all wrong.

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Speaker 1: The initial use of yolo was not yolo, don't make

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Speaker 1: any commitments. It was yolo dive into a commitment. You

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Speaker 1: only live once, and I'd like to experience those things.

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Speaker 1: And Pete is pretty excited to help set the Yolo

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Speaker 1: record straight. I want to reclaim yolo for the dedicated,

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Speaker 1: not for the browsers. And the science shows that the

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Speaker 1: best way to use this precious life, one that we

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Speaker 1: really only will live once, is to commit to the

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Speaker 1: act of committing. When you commit, it's like planting a

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Speaker 1: seed in the desert. It's the beginning of a reforestation project.

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Speaker 1: And if you ask any Longhole hero how they feel

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Speaker 1: about what they've done, the vast majority say that it

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Speaker 1: makes them feel more at peace in the world, and

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Speaker 1: it makes them overwhelmed by joy. When we face big

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Speaker 1: decisions in life, we tend to dwell on what we'll

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Speaker 1: miss out on when we make a commitment. We often

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Speaker 1: worry that choosing one thing, whether it's a spouse or

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Speaker 1: a career, or a craft or a place to live,

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Speaker 1: we'll mean closing doors on better opportunities for our future.

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Speaker 1: But what our lying minds don't realize is that the

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Speaker 1: best gift we can give our future selves is the

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Speaker 1: joy of the long haul, all the benefits of connection

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Speaker 1: and depth and joy that can only come from investment

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Speaker 1: and dedication. So the next time you're stuck on that

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Speaker 1: metaphorical menu screen of life, harness your inner Mickey heart

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Speaker 1: and scream yolo. I'm ready for all the incredible opportunities

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Speaker 1: that lie on the other side of this new door

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Speaker 1: of dedication, ones that I'll never even know about until

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Speaker 1: I turn the knob and walk through. I hope that

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Speaker 1: opening these doors of commitment will lead you to all

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Speaker 1: the happiness and joy that Pete saw and his long

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Speaker 1: Call heroes, And I hope at least some of those

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Speaker 1: doors will lead you back here once again for the

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Speaker 1: next episode of The Happiness Lab with me Doctor Laurie Santos.

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Speaker 1: The Happiness Lab is co written and produced by Ryan Dilley,

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Speaker 1: Emily Ann Vaughan and Courtney Guerino. Joseph Friedman checked Our

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Speaker 1: x Our. Original music was composed by Zachary Silver, with

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Speaker 1: additional scoring, mixing, and mastering by Evan Viola. Special thanks

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Speaker 1: to Milabelle Heather Fame, John Schnarz, Carli Migliori, Christina Sullivan,

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Speaker 1: Maggie Taylor, Eric Sandler, Nicole Morano, Royston Preserve, Jacob Weisberg,

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Speaker 1: and my agent, Ben Davis. The Happiness Lab is brought

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Speaker 1: to you by Pushkin Industries and me Doctor Laurie Santos.

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