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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to I've never said this before with

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Speaker 1: me Tommy di Dario. My guest today is the magical

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Speaker 1: actress Danielle Savory, who is one of those people that

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Speaker 1: you chat with and time just stands still. I was

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Speaker 1: so utterly absorbed in the present during this conversation that

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Speaker 1: I had no idea almost an hour had gone by.

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Speaker 1: Danielle has such a gift with bringing characters to life.

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Speaker 1: But it's due her portrayal of Maya Bishop in Station

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Speaker 1: nineteen for seven Seasons that the world just fell in

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Speaker 1: love with her. It's a character that will forever live

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Speaker 1: on to so many as one of the most important

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Speaker 1: representations of love for the LGBTQ plus community. And today

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Speaker 1: is a conversation that is good for the soul. It's

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Speaker 1: like a cup of soup, good for the heart and soul. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we are celebrating the work of hers that you love,

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Speaker 1: but then we are taking on so many things that

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Speaker 1: we all experience in everyday life that perhaps we don't

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Speaker 1: always feel comfortable talking about. It is such a special episode,

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Speaker 1: So let's see if today we can get Danielle to

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Speaker 1: say something that she has never said before. Danielle Savory Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: tell me how are you? I am so good. We

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Speaker 1: have been wanting to do this for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Now we have. When was our last one? Do you

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Speaker 2: remember when it was exactly?

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Speaker 1: I mean it was well over a year. I think

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Speaker 1: it was May twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I know, I know, I'm flies. So we stayed

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Speaker 2: in touch the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes we have, and we tried to do something

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Speaker 1: the beginning of the year, but then, of course the

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Speaker 1: horrific fires happened and that was just crazy for everybody.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're safe and sound and you're here

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Speaker 1: today looking like a dream.

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Speaker 2: It's all an illusion. It's like straight through exhaustion.

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Speaker 3: But I got to come out to New York one

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Speaker 3: of these days and actually see you in person too, Hug.

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Speaker 1: I know we would love to have you in New York.

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Speaker 1: That would be so much fun. I have to start

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Speaker 1: by saying, this is a very special day because is

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Speaker 1: this not your birthday? Eve?

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Speaker 2: Birthday?

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Speaker 1: Eve?

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Speaker 2: Yes it is.

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Speaker 1: It is your birthday, Eve. Are you a birthday girl?

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Speaker 1: Do you love a celebration?

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Speaker 2: I used to?

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Speaker 3: I mean I say I used to so cautiously because

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Speaker 3: I always every year go all out and this year

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Speaker 3: for some reason, I was so tired and like last

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Speaker 3: if this just happens with age two, but everybody's like,

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Speaker 3: what do you want to do for your birthday?

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Speaker 2: I was like, nothing, I want.

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Speaker 3: To like sleep and get a massage. But it's unique

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Speaker 3: because I usually go all out. I mean I've done

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Speaker 3: usually go all out. So I don't know why this

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Speaker 3: year I was wanting something. I mean, what am I

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Speaker 2: But we'll see. We'll see if after my birthday passes.

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Speaker 3: With this kind of very calm birthday that I want

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Speaker 2: I hope I don't. I hope that I'm very happy

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Speaker 2: with this decision. But we'll see. When it passes. I'll

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Speaker 1: Can be a birthday month, so you.

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Speaker 3: Know, exactly, but usually am what about you? Are you

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Speaker 1: You could be like hit or miss it kind of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it depends. I've done some really big things

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Speaker 1: So we'll see. January is a very big birthday for me.

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Speaker 1: It's forty.

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Speaker 3: See that is where I'm kind of because I'm turning

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Speaker 3: and then forty go big? So are you doing something

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Speaker 1: I have to figure it out. You know. It's funny.

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Speaker 1: My husband's starning forty in October and I've been like,

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Speaker 2: That's perfect. Isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 3: Now when we get older too, you're kind of like

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Speaker 3: What am I talking about? You guys are still going

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm excited and we'll do like little you know,

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Speaker 1: much more of that, like let's have a massive party

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Speaker 1: doing in January. But do you get really reflective that?

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Speaker 1: Like when I have a birthday, I'm so kind of

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Speaker 1: Do you get like that or not? Really?

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Speaker 3: I have it in the past, not that I can recall. No,

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Speaker 3: I might be now that I'm getting older. I'll report

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Speaker 3: I don't think I ever had before. I always looked

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Speaker 3: nice I do enjoy that about birthdays, talking about being reflective,

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Speaker 3: It's just life gets complicated, but all of us get

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's by basically what I love about birthdays. So

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I hope whatever you end up doing, whether

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy you're here. Thank you, thank you, so Danielle.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you have played so many different characters

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Speaker 1: Station nineteen for seven seasons, which is just such an

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I feel like I've actually grown a lot.

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Speaker 3: And to try to quantify how it's going to be

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Speaker 3: And I've evolved as an actor playing a different character,

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Speaker 2: So I've grieved, and.

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Speaker 3: I think I evolved the most of the whole playe Maya.

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Speaker 2: No matter who you are on social media, you see

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Speaker 3: I said it recently, I was like walk away going like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm not everyone's cup of tea, and it's the best

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Speaker 3: I'm not everyone's cup of tea. But I've definitely grown

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Speaker 2: But yeah, there's that pressure to be like, don't screw

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you didn't have anxiety for the entire

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go in different ways, in very different ways.

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Speaker 1: in the length the different scenes that mean a lot

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00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:57,159
Speaker 1: to you specifically with you know, Karina, Is there a

442
00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:01,399
Speaker 1: non romantic scene that you had in the Marina world

443
00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,080
Speaker 1: that you just love a.

444
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,400
Speaker 2: Non romantic scene?

445
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,360
Speaker 3: What's crazy some people are asking about scenes of way

446
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm trying to It's crazy how they

447
00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:12,479
Speaker 3: start to slip from your memory.

448
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:14,160
Speaker 2: They're like wells, and then people.

449
00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:15,639
Speaker 3: Remind you, Oh my god, yeah, yeah, yeah, I love

450
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,760
Speaker 3: that one. There's some of those early scenes were so

451
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,520
Speaker 3: had such great memories wrapped up in them because me

452
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,760
Speaker 3: and Stefani were really discovering the characters and the relationship

453
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 3: as it went on, whether it was like her like

454
00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,919
Speaker 3: bringing me lasagna in the in the office, like simple

455
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 3: like just sexy scenes. Those also were fun scenes because

456
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,680
Speaker 3: at the beginning of as we know as adults, is

457
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,400
Speaker 3: any relationship, there's that kind of like lust and passion.

458
00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,280
Speaker 3: Before you know, Maya divulged all of her dark secrets

459
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 3: and all that stuff came out I should say dark secrets,

460
00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 3: but that's that dark side of my came out. And

461
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 3: so I really enjoyed those like early early scenes. Yeah,

462
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember of other little ones that we

463
00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,159
Speaker 3: just got and just means to Fannie how to blast,

464
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 3: just kind of playing man.

465
00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: It's hard to think back on so many.

466
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've done a lot.

467
00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 2: We've done a lot.

468
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:19,320
Speaker 3: I always love because you said what the ones that weren't?

469
00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 3: Which ones am I going for ones that weren't.

470
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 1: I feel like you've talked a lot about the romantic scenes.

471
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,960
Speaker 1: There were many other ones too.

472
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,680
Speaker 2: That one's romantic too, though I'm trying to think.

473
00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 3: I mean, I always loved which is the humorous one,

474
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,360
Speaker 3: which I think this is the funny I will disagree

475
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 3: with me on this one. But the her getting the

476
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 3: IVF shots and like just the emotional rollercoaster she went

477
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 3: on while she was getting the hormone injection.

478
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:48,600
Speaker 2: Sorry, was so.

479
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 3: Much fun to watch and so much fun to be

480
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,640
Speaker 3: a part of. And having Great Dame in there too

481
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: to add a little extra humor.

482
00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,280
Speaker 2: It was really fun.

483
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: To play that as an actor and as the character

484
00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 3: to be able because it was still emotional, We were

485
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 3: still able to connect. But it wasn't I would necessarily say,

486
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,199
Speaker 3: your typical version of romance. It was kind of a

487
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 3: more real, real version of love showing up when you

488
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 3: know one person's being pumped and hormones and being completely.

489
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: Emotional and irrational and.

490
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: And you know, it's humorous, but it's also heartfelt, Like yeah,

491
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: that that whole storyline.

492
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 2: I really loved that.

493
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 3: Which I think the flip side of that is when

494
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 3: Maya had the panic attack when they went to La

495
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: and she herself valued put herself her own work so

496
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,879
Speaker 3: much in her job, and Karina was there for her

497
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,120
Speaker 3: while she was having a full on meltdown. I think

498
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 3: those scenes, though not typically romantic, really really showcase their

499
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:42,840
Speaker 3: love for each other.

500
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: I really loved this. Now, see it took me a second,

501
00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 2: but I got there.

502
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,160
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, yeah, this scenes really really held

503
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:49,919
Speaker 3: a lot of weight for me.

504
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I mean the way you brought this character

505
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: to life is nothing short of brilliant, and it's it's

506
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,080
Speaker 1: why it resonates with so many people. It's not the

507
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: writing's amazing and it's phenomenal, but the artist has to

508
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 1: bring it to life in a way that's believable that

509
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,040
Speaker 1: people buy, right. So it's a testament to the work

510
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: that you guys certainly did. I just when you were talking,

511
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: I just had a thought that your character needs to

512
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 1: be in the nine one one World Ryan Murphy show,

513
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing?

514
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,000
Speaker 2: I mean that'd be amazing.

515
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: It's funny you bring that up because Tracy Toms is

516
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 3: in the nine one one world and I just saw

517
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 3: her this weekend. She'd be like, Okay, tell Ryan, we

518
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 3: need to come over to nine one one.

519
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I would be listen.

520
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 3: I'll take any world that wants to accept my bishop

521
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: with open arms.

522
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 2: Let's do it.

523
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it. It's so interesting

524
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 1: to me that earlier you bring up you know, you're

525
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: as an actor, either employed or unemployed, and it's such

526
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 1: a It sounds kind of so like, oh my god,

527
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 1: that's so harsh on yourself, but I guess the reality

528
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: is that's what it is. Right. So you're in this

529
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: period of transition and you've been working like crazy for

530
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: so many years, and now you're kind of seeing what

531
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:59,920
Speaker 1: comes next. Is that an uncomfortable place for you to sit?

532
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 2: Oh?

533
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, big time. That was when it first hit. That's

534
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: why I've been like what do I want to do?

535
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 3: There's also I think anyone this, any profession, you sometimes

536
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 3: get so wrapped up in work that you forget like

537
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 3: what are your hobbies? What do you actually enjoy to do?

538
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,120
Speaker 2: Enjoy doing? Even though we enjoy our work. I enjoy

539
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 2: my work.

540
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 3: I'm assuming you do as well, like we enjoy doing this,

541
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: but what do you love to do outside of work?

542
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: And that's what's so uncomfortable because I'm.

543
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: Sitting in silence, kind of bored, going like what do

544
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 3: I want to do with my time when I'm usually

545
00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,920
Speaker 3: so used to it being work driven And I'm still

546
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,360
Speaker 3: sitting here like auditioning like crazy, so that is I'm

547
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 3: still doing all of that element of it. But I'm like,

548
00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: you know, after the self tape and after the Zoom meeting,

549
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 3: what do I want to do?

550
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 2: And that it took a second.

551
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: Like I'm also not someone who sits uncomfortable for too long.

552
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 3: I went through a phase in my early twenties where

553
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 3: I kind of had a pity party.

554
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:53,959
Speaker 2: I had this show.

555
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,120
Speaker 3: It only went one season, and I put so much

556
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 3: into it, and I thought it was going to be

557
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 3: everything and it was my everything for that one season

558
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 3: and it just bombed. It failed, nothing happened with it,

559
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,159
Speaker 3: and I sat in my early twenties, I was like

560
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one in.

561
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 2: This like pity party, like kind of.

562
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: Sulking and you know, just self pity constantly, and I

563
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 3: never want to get to that place again. So I'm

564
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 3: someone who moves pretty fast. So I'm like, this is uncomfortable.

565
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,119
Speaker 3: How do I fix it? Like, I want to solve

566
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: the problem. I don't want to waste precious time of

567
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 3: my life, you know, sitting too much in that.

568
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: I want to solve it. So I was uncomfortable to

569
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: know what to do. And then I just started trying things.

570
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: And that's where learning French and playing tennis and it

571
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: came from because I was like, let me use this

572
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 3: time to really tap into things that make me happy

573
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 3: that aren't associated work. So yeah, So it's definitely uncomfortable

574
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 3: to sit in and it's definitely weird. It's definitely better

575
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: coming off of a show of seven seasons. As an actor,

576
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: I'm obviously much more financially sound, which as actors, a

577
00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 3: lot of times it's working from job to job, you know.

578
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 3: I think sometimes people always think like it's so glamorous

579
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 3: and you make all this money. It's like, no, I'm

580
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: not bread pitt like you know, so you really But

581
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 3: the lovely thing is that I had stability for seven seasons,

582
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: seven years. I'm able to kind of walk away going Okay,

583
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 3: I'm financially stable. I'm completely okay. I don't have to

584
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 3: stress about jumping to the next job and having to

585
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 3: take any job that they put in front of me,

586
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,719
Speaker 3: which gives me a lot of creative freedom as well,

587
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 3: which I really love.

588
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's definitely uncomfortable. I'm in it now.

589
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 3: I'm sitting in it like it's I'm going through the

590
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 3: process of it and really trying to utilize the time

591
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 3: to spend it with family, to find the things I love,

592
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: to take on new hobbies. I'm like growing arugula and

593
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 3: I'm hopefully it won't kill it because I have a whore.

594
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: I do not have a green thumb. I've killed cactuses

595
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 3: like cactive. I don't know how, but I've killed them.

596
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 3: So really taking this time to feed my soul in

597
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: ways that aren't through acting and through art.

598
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: I mean still through art, but different versions of art.

599
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: Imagine that really helps you not have such a choke

600
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: hold on wrapping your entire identity into your work, which,

601
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: as you mentioned earlier, is something that's you're working on.

602
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: And imagine there's a work in progress for all of us, right,

603
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: But that's also got to feel kind.

604
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: Of freeing, screeing and a little scary. I mean, there's

605
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 3: also something that when you're so comfortable wrapping up your

606
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 3: identity in a job, it's scary.

607
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 2: To go, Okay, well if my job isn't that what

608
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: is it?

609
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 3: And that is what I'm sitting in right now, which

610
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 3: is a little scary, But I'm figuring it out.

611
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 2: I'm figuring it out day by day.

612
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, in my life, I've realized the moments where

613
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 1: I feel that the most, and when I've learned through

614
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: the work to let go, through doing a lot of work,

615
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 1: to let go a little bit. That's also when some

616
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: of the wildest things have entered my life. Yeah, which

617
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 1: is a weird thing.

618
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 2: It always happens that way, doesn't it.

619
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 3: Though.

620
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: It's like when you kind of like relinquish.

621
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 3: Control and just kind of decide to go on the

622
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 3: ride and listen to your heart and gut in the

623
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 3: moment and be in the present, all of those things,

624
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 3: it starts to kind of all things start to come

625
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: into place or fall into place that you just never

626
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: would have expected.

627
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: But it's easier said than.

628
00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: Done, as we both know it is. It's totally easier

629
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: said than done. This might be a hard question to answer,

630
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: but I'm curious because I have my thoughts on this myself.

631
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: Is part of the uncomfortable and unsettling part of being

632
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: in transition for you, being worried or wondering what other

633
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: people are saying about what you are or you aren't doing.

634
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 2: It's such an interesting question what people are saying.

635
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: What.

636
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that absolutely is a factor.

637
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: It's not, thank god, the main factor, the main thing

638
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: going on, but it definitely I think. I think, especially

639
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 3: with going back to social media and our whole lives

640
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: being on display for everybody, there is that world of like, yeah,

641
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 3: what a great question, trying to think of how though

642
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: it really shows itself for.

643
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Me, I work on a television show called Extra. You know,

644
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: there's a full time gal here in New York and

645
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm her counterpart. But I'm a freelancer for them, and

646
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,920
Speaker 1: I've been doing it for years and years and years,

647
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 1: and they're great to me, their family, and I love them.

648
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: But when I first started, and I didn't have this show,

649
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: and I just got off the Rachel Ray Show, which

650
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: ended after seventeen seasons, and I was her kind of

651
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: lifestyle correspondent for six years, so I was kind of

652
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: in transition and then that came about, and all I

653
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: wanted was full time, full time, full time. I need

654
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: that full time. I need it full time. I realized

655
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: years later a lot of that for me was a

656
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: little bit of ego, like, well, what are people saying?

657
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: Are they saying? Why is he not on every night?

658
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: And why has he only appeared twice a week and

659
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: this girl's on three times a week? And then I

660
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: started catching myself like why am I so worried what

661
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: other people are thinking or not thinking? Maybe I'm just

662
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 1: thinking that like no one cares except me, probably, So

663
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: why am I so concerned? Like it's not like, oh man,

664
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: I love the work so much, I wish I was

665
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: full time. That's not what I was saying. I was saying,

666
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: Oh man, I wonder what these people are saying not

667
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: seeing me every night on the show. Oh And it's

668
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: like whoa. That was a big aha for me, and

669
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: I've really worked on that myself, and it opened up

670
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 1: this whole world where you know, we're here talking on

671
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: the show, and I had my own show at iHeart

672
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: and all the things. So it's an interesting topic.

673
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: To me, it is, and you're right, there's something about

674
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: it that is it is obviously feels from like our

675
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 3: ego and that comparison game and trying to feel like, oh,

676
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: everyone else is holding us to this instead of looking at, oh,

677
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: this is a successful thing. I'm doing these two three days,

678
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 3: you know, a week. Instead it's not all week. People

679
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 3: look at it as successful and we're looking at as

680
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 3: it's not enough, right, and it's.

681
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: And it's a whole whild to me because the reality

682
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: is it's a budget thing, like they just can't afford

683
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: me full time, otherwise they would.

684
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 3: But it's also it's still successful, do you know what

685
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 3: I mean? Like that's still a huge thing that so

686
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 3: many people that want you know what I mean like

687
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 3: that would love that, and you're like, we always want more.

688
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 2: It's interesting.

689
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 3: It's a really interesting question that I'm probably going to

690
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: think on a lot even after this interview, this chat.

691
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to call it an interview. It's like

692
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 3: more just us chatting. But yeah, it's it's interesting. I

693
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: didn't feel like I would say I felt that a

694
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 3: lot more that exact feeling when I was younger. Absolutely

695
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 3: it felt like I had to I had to do

696
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: it for everyone else, not for me. I do feel

697
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: like I'm in a different headspace now. I'm not doing

698
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 3: it because I need to prove to people.

699
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: I don't.

700
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 3: I feel like I've lost that. I feel like I

701
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 3: don't have to have to prove it. I'm like, I've

702
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,200
Speaker 3: proven myself.

703
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: I'm there.

704
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 3: I'm really just trying to challenge myself with the jobs

705
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,479
Speaker 3: that I choose. But there is an element of like,

706
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: but that's not the full truth, Like there is an

707
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: element of keeping up with jones Is in regards to

708
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 3: your life in general. You know, do I need to

709
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: look like I'm busy in doing things and having a

710
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 3: great time, like what social media kind of pulls out

711
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: of us sometimes?

712
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

713
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 3: This is going to be a question that really makes

714
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: me kind of I'm like, we need to revisit this.

715
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: I know it's a big question, it really is, and

716
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 1: it's it's such an interesting one. I think a lot

717
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: of people listening probably have felt that in some way,

718
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: shape or form, and and it's so nice to be

719
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: on the other side of that and to literally be like,

720
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: I don't really give a fuck what anyone thinks I'm

721
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: you know, like I'm I'm so proud of everything I'm doing,

722
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: Like so it's just nice to go through that and

723
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: then to have that aha and be like no, I

724
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: don't care about that. So it's yeah, it's super interesting.

725
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: And there's I imagine a lot of people listening right

726
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: now who probably feel a little stuck or also in

727
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: transition or like where is this all going in my life?

728
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 1: So what advice would you give to them to kind

729
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: of ease their little journey?

730
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: I mean everyone, I agree, is a lot of it

731
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 3: feels like on a global scale right now, this is

732
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 3: happening where everyone is kind of going on this transition,

733
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: in this journey to figure it out.

734
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 2: And I think kind of what we said is kind

735
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: of for anyone out there that is going through it,

736
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 2: like go on the ride. Don't fight it, like, don't

737
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: try to cont it.

738
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 3: You know, keep an open mind and open eyes to

739
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: what's in front of you. Because sometimes I think we're

740
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 3: so set in our ways of like I have to

741
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: do this, this is what I have to do, and

742
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: we actually miss the thing that was right here that

743
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 3: really was more of our calling or more or would

744
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 3: have given us more fulfillment or something instead of this

745
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 3: thing that we're so set on. It doesn't have to

746
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: be a different thing just just a different path than

747
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,239
Speaker 3: what we kind of saw things. You know, I think

748
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 3: we want to control so much because control seems to

749
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 3: be this false sense of safety and security when really

750
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 3: you can't control anything at all, like as you and

751
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 3: I both know, like we have zero control. And so

752
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: for anyone out there, I think it's like, like, take

753
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: a breath, relax, just try to go on the journey

754
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: and enjoy the journey.

755
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 2: And sometimes, as we, I think everyone that's gotten too some.

756
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: Goal that they've tried to achieve, if you don't enjoy

757
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: the journey, you get to the goal and it happens

758
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 3: and you're like, okay, now what and you realize like, oh, actually,

759
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 3: I was supposed to enjoy that entire ride, the ups

760
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 3: and downs, and be happy and celebrate whatever it is

761
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 3: that you get to or you're striving for. But then

762
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: after you celebrate, you kind of go, okay, now what right?

763
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 3: And I think if you don't really enjoy this journey

764
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: that you're on, this transitional journey, then you're going to

765
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: it's a missed opportunity. So I think that'd be my advice. Again,

766
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 3: I know all of this is easier said than done,

767
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: because when you're in that headspace of.

768
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: Feeling lost or just unsure. I know so many people

769
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: that have reached out to me in their early twenties.

770
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 2: They're like, what do I do?

771
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 3: And I'm like, listen to. Early twenties were the hardest

772
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: years of my life. But I would not change it

773
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: for anything in the world. Like I grew so much

774
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 3: as a person. There are definitely moments I loved and

775
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 3: moments I absolutely hated. But I'm so grateful that I

776
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 3: went on that journey and that at times was like, Okay,

777
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go. I'm gonna let go. I'm just

778
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 3: going to go for it and look at you know

779
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 3: where I'm where I was able to get to by

780
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 3: doing that, So yeah, that would be my I hope

781
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: people can hear that and not just feel kind of

782
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: helpless that they're like, how do I do that?

783
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:06,439
Speaker 2: Just do it?

784
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: Just let go, Yes, let go. I love that, And

785
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: I love that you just said, you know, you could

786
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: look at where you are now and be like, you know,

787
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 1: I did it, I'm doing good. I just had that.

788
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: I live on a street in New York where there's

789
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: a university, and I saw all the kids today going

790
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: back to school and I'm like, God, I remember when

791
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: I was moving into n y U and I'm like,

792
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: you know what, that little dude would be pretty happy

793
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: right now.

794
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: Yes, Yeah, isn't that always kind of like gives me

795
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 3: goosebumps some like warm fuzzy feeling to be like, yeah, okay, okay,

796
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 3: we did it.

797
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, we did it exactly, We're doing it, We're still

798
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: doing it. We did all of it. I know. I

799
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 1: think it's a good reminder for all of us to

800
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: kind of check ourselves once in a while in a

801
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 1: good way, because we don't do that a lot.

802
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 3: To congratulate ourselves, right a little bit like.

803
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:54,480
Speaker 2: Like that wasn't easy.

804
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 3: We both know in our own stories like what we

805
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 3: went through, the good and the bad, the good, the bad,

806
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 3: and the ugly, and it says a lot that where

807
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 3: we're at. So anyone out there that's going through something,

808
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 3: try to try to applaud yourself for the actual wins

809
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 3: that you've accomplished. To not just look at all the

810
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 3: things that you consider I don't consider anything failure, but

811
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 3: the things that you might consider as not.

812
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 1: Wins for sure. No, no, in the spirit of you know,

813
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,879
Speaker 1: continuing to grow and evolve, we are about I mean,

814
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 1: we're halfway the years, halfway over. It's more than halfway over, right,

815
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: so it is crazy. I can't believe it. It's September

816
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: in a week. So what is what is something you

817
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: hope to start doing, stop doing, and continue doing for

818
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: the rest.

819
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 2: Of them start doing, stop doing, and continue doing.

820
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: Continue will definitely be finding myself outside of work. That's

821
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: something I'm really enjoying. I don't know what else I'm

822
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 3: going to get into or try. Who knows, maybe I'll start,

823
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: i know what, you know, sewing close or learning how

824
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 3: to build something with my hands. But that I want

825
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: to absolutely continue to do. And then what I want

826
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: to stop doing. I mean I want to stop stressing

827
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 3: about everything, because that still exists, you know kind of

828
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 3: I'm in that moment of to say as I as

829
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: do as I say, not as I do, like I'm

830
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: telling everyone, like, live in the moment. But even I

831
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 3: sometimes stress about stuff on a daily basis. But I

832
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 3: meditate a lot, continue meditating for sure. So yeah, I

833
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: think I want to stop I'm not trying to control

834
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: the future, but I am still stressed about it.

835
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 2: I would like to stop stressing like.

836
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 3: That feeling kind of happens, and I'm not living in it,

837
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 3: but it happens, and then I have to calm myself,

838
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 3: remind myself to Niel, You're fine, You're good.

839
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 2: Your worth is not wrapped up in your work, like

840
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: enjoy this time.

841
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,839
Speaker 3: So I would like to get to a point where

842
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: I'm not having to do that on a daily basis

843
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: of like calming yourself down. And what I love to

844
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:58,320
Speaker 3: start doing?

845
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: Why is that so hard?

846
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: It's another big.

847
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 3: One is the thing I think that comes up for

848
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 3: me is I'd love to start doing more things that

849
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 3: scare me, which is kind of I don't know that

850
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: all kind of everything is kind of the start the

851
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 3: things I want to continue and the things I want

852
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 3: to start, and I guess the things I want to

853
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: stop are all kind of obviously interwoven with each other.

854
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 3: But I want to really start doing things that scare me.

855
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 3: You know, I have this desire to want to do theater,

856
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,319
Speaker 3: and even though I have this downtime and I have

857
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 3: things at my fingertips to start that that really scares me,

858
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: I want to really start prioritizing the things that fulfill

859
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: me more too. Whatever that is, you know, I think

860
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 3: right now I'm really going through a phase where I'm like, Okay,

861
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: I really want to spend time with you know, my

862
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: best friend and his daughter, and you know, my partner

863
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,760
Speaker 3: and kids and be like not having to do things,

864
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 3: but just sit in the backyard and play by the

865
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 3: pool and keep it simple. So I guess I want

866
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 3: to start all the s's. I want to start doing

867
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 3: the things that scare me and keeping things more simple.

868
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: M Oh, I love that. I love that. That's a

869
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: good one.

870
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 2: What about you? I always want to know more about.

871
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 1: You, I know, but it's not about me. That's for

872
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: coffee in New York City. That's for coffee in New

873
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: York City.

874
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: It's about I'm going to hold you to that.

875
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 1: That's when you're doing your off Broadway or Broadway show

876
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: in New York. Then we'll be going to dinners there

877
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:24,839
Speaker 1: we go.

878
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Speaker 2: I'd love to hear that.

879
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: Is that something you would do?

880
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 3: You mentioned theater, I would love to I mean, don't

881
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,840
Speaker 3: get me wrong, I'm scared shitless, let's be honest, scared

882
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: shitless for theater. I'm someone who's a perfectionist and comes

883
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: to set prepared and I love to get it in

884
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: one take, in the whole thing. But theater, there's no

885
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: there's no there's no take too. I think I would

886
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 3: after the nerves, really love performing in front of a

887
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 3: live audience. But it's the scary part of like, you,

888
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 3: really you can't mess up one and done and then

889
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 3: do it eight days a week, eight times, I should say,

890
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: not eight days a week, there's not eight days.

891
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: Already getting anxious thinking about it.

892
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: I am just even the thought of it's so true.

893
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,160
Speaker 1: Ball But because it scares you, I bet you you

894
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: will be doing it one day. Now.

895
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: You know me too well at this point I think

896
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 2: you're like, I shall be doing this.

897
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, she'll be doing I'll see some deadline come out

898
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: and be like, oh yeah, okay. Oh you know that

899
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,319
Speaker 1: Oprah gift where she's like, you know, that's what I'm

900
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: going to do when I read that. So I love

901
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: that for you, Oh my god, Danielle. I just this

902
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: for me is a really fun conversation because yes, we

903
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: got to celebrate you know, work that means so much

904
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: to so many people. But I also love having you

905
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: on because we talk about real things that you're gracious

906
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: and open enough to talk about, because it's human right

907
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: and there's always there's not always but there's sometimes a

908
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: veil in my business when I talk to some people,

909
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: or you just don't have enough time to get into it,

910
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: and some of the most powerful things emerge, I think

911
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: from conversations like this, which is why I've been really

912
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: excited and looking forward to speaking to you again. Because

913
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: we all all change and evolve, and when we talked

914
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: a year ago, you're not who you are today as

915
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: you were then, right, And I think that's the goal

916
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: of many people. It certainly seems to be a goal

917
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: of yours. It's a goal of mine. So it's always

918
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: once to do these check ins and catchups. And with

919
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 1: that being said, you know the name of the show,

920
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: which is I've never said this before, and it was born,

921
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, very very very specifically out of wanting more

922
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: connection after working so many red carpets and so many junkets,

923
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: and you know, not really having time to dive deeper

924
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 1: than I think a lot of people want to be

925
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: able to do. So with that being said, is there

926
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 1: anything you open book you that you can think of

927
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: that you haven't said before that you want to say today.

928
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 2: I always struggle this with this one, and I think,

929
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 2: like I said it, I think I've told.

930
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 3: You of a phone like the last time, it's this

931
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: thing happened where I said love yourself for yourself and

932
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: I did resonates with so many people and it just

933
00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 3: came from such an organic place.

934
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: Was so scared going into this, like what do I say?

935
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 2: And I kept trying to think about it, and in

936
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 2: the end, I was.

937
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 3: Like, whatever has said, whatever I say, is just going

938
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 3: to be what I say, going the flow, not trying

939
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: to control it for.

940
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: This entire conversation.

941
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: And I think what's really come up for me just

942
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 3: in this conversation, and what I'm really grappling with now

943
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: is that I'm very I'll say what I've guess I've

944
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: never said before.

945
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: It's giving me anxiety my chest just to say it is.

946
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: I'm really scared that I'm never going to be able

947
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: to play another character that had such an impact on

948
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 3: an audience and that made that I had such a

949
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 3: connection with and that both I and the audience loved

950
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,399
Speaker 3: so much. Like I'm really I'm scared. I'm scared that

951
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: that that that was it. You know that I'll continue

952
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 3: to act, but I'll never play a character that meant

953
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 3: so much to me and so many others and I

954
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,320
Speaker 3: can't control that, and I don't know, but it scares

955
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 3: me that it won't happen. So yeah, I think that's

956
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 3: something that I've never said and down right this second,

957
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 3: but that really came from this conversation.

958
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 2: You know, that's a big fear of mine.

959
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: That's first of all, thank you for sharing that. I

960
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,400
Speaker 1: know that's probably not something that you would just you know,

961
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: share in any interview. It's it's a big thing to

962
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,840
Speaker 1: say because it deals with such raw and real emotion,

963
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: and that's that's a testament to how much you love

964
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: this role and how much you know she meant to you,

965
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: not just the people who watched her, but to you,

966
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: which is a really beautiful thing to see. And I

967
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: guess my next follow up question to that is how

968
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: how do you decide what you want to take on

969
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: moving forward knowing that that's kind of in the back

970
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: of your head.

971
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,279
Speaker 3: I'm trying to not overthink the next thing, like I

972
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 3: tried not to even overthink when I booked found knowing

973
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 3: that she was really like I knew she was going

974
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: to be a villain, like she was not going to

975
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,959
Speaker 3: be anything like Maya.

976
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

977
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 3: I think I can't overthink it, is what my gut

978
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 3: is saying right now, because I didn't know what Maya

979
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 3: was going to be when I signed on.

980
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 2: I had no idea.

981
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 3: I knew I resonated with her, and I think that's

982
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 3: just what I have to do, is if a character

983
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 3: resonates me in some way, even if it's just it

984
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: challenges me as an actor, I just have to go

985
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: for it. And if that character ends up resonating with people,

986
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 3: then I'm that.

987
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: More grateful for it. But I just.

988
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 3: Know I can't control that. I think it's just the

989
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: fear that I'm sad that it might not ever happen again.

990
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:35,600
Speaker 2: You know.

991
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 3: I think people will love some of the characters I play,

992
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: but speaking on the word that love is like people

993
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 3: loved Maya so much. I loved Maya so much. Do

994
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: people still love me now that I'm not Maya? And

995
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: hopefully they'll still love the characters I play, no matter

996
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: who they are. So it's multi layered, but I can't

997
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 3: overthink it. I definitely, of course, my team is always

998
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: known that from day one. I've always been someone who

999
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 3: wants to play strong female characters. I think that's someone

1000
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 3: thing that if you look at my whole body of

1001
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 3: work through my entire career. My team has usually been

1002
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: pretty on top of just make it a strong female character,

1003
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 3: even if she's a villain, Like is she strong?

1004
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 2: And is she a badass? And is she flawed?

1005
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 3: And we can somehow see her, you know, working through

1006
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: her issues.

1007
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 2: That's something I'll always lean into a character that's strong.

1008
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I just can't. I don't know. I

1009
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: don't know the answer. We don't have all the answers, right.

1010
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No. That's a really really cool thing

1011
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: to open up about, and I thank you for that

1012
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: because it's such a it's such a real thing. Do

1013
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 1: you do you write.

1014
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 2: Scripts? Or I was like, which one? I dabble?

1015
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: But know, me and Emily Culver, one of the writers

1016
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 3: of Station nineteen, have developed a project.

1017
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: But she is the writer.

1018
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 3: Even though she wants me to say I'm a writer

1019
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: as well, I don't consider myself a writer.

1020
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 2: I love creating.

1021
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: Maybe one day I will sit in front of you know,

1022
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 3: screenwriter or final draft and actually start writing myself.

1023
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: But I love the creative process. So yeah, why do

1024
00:46:10,480 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: you ask what was the why?

1025
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,319
Speaker 1: I could just see you writing something really cool and

1026
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: just based on how you speak and the storyteller you are,

1027
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: and you know your career, but also as a human,

1028
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 1: I could just see something really passionate come to life

1029
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: from you. I want to be surprised if one day

1030
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,360
Speaker 1: you were inspired and just started writing a pilot or

1031
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: a screenplay or something.

1032
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: When I'm too old to.

1033
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 3: Be in front of the camera, when I like when

1034
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 3: they're like, oh no, she's too old. Sorry you find

1035
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 3: the camera start writing. No, no, I listen. I'm someone

1036
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: who loves this job so much. I love the arts.

1037
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 3: I love storytelling that I can always imagine myself in

1038
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 3: kind of every element. But I am not someone at

1039
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 3: this current stage that would consider myself.

1040
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 2: A writer, but maybe one day. I mean, I love it.

1041
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 3: I'm passionate about this whole industry and every the active storytelling.

1042
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 2: So we'll see. And thank you for that though, Thanks

1043
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 2: for the belief.

1044
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got you. I am here to champion you

1045
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,919
Speaker 1: on your birthday, Eve Dan Oh thank you, I oh

1046
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: my god, thank you, just thank you for hanging out again.

1047
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: I've been been really looking forward to this.

1048
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: No so of I and thank you, thank you for

1049
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,320
Speaker 3: making it happen, because I I for people that are listening,

1050
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: like I really was hesitanted.

1051
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: First, I was like, Tommy, what do we going to

1052
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 2: talk about? It's like I feel like, you know, that

1053
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: lack of like my work, Like I was like, I

1054
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: don't have anything to talk about. There's no job. So

1055
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: I just want to.

1056
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 3: Say thank you for getting me to get out of

1057
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 3: my shew and talk about this stuff. And it's always

1058
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: a pleasure talking to you, And thank you for believe

1059
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 3: your belief in me always because I will say, going

1060
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 3: back to a little bit we just talked about, is

1061
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 3: all it takes is one person to believe in you

1062
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 3: to really kind of spark that passion to be able

1063
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: to think you can do something.

1064
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 2: Even if it's a crazy idea like being a writer.

1065
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 2: I'm telling me things, I can be a writer. I

1066
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: can do it. No, So thank you for such amazing conversations.

1067
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 3: And I hope we get to catch up in properly

1068
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: get to talk about you as well.

1069
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 2: This one sided conversation.

1070
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 3: I would love to get to talk to you and

1071
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 3: catch up on your life in your one of these

1072
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 3: days over copies.

1073
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: Well, you let me know when you're here. It's on.

1074
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might be soon, so I'll let you.

1075
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: Know okay, good, well, thank you so much. My love

1076
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 1: always a pleasure, and I'm going to be I'm going

1077
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: to be watching you closely, seeing what's coming.

1078
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: It's same to you. I'll be whatever you do next.

1079
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: I'll be watching so well, be well, and thank you

1080
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: so much, thank you. I've Never Said This Before is

1081
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: hosted by Me, Tommy Dedario. This podcast is executive produced

1082
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 1: by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by me Tommy, with

1083
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: editing by Joshua Colaudney. I've Never Said This Before is

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00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: part of the Elvis Duran podcast Network on iHeart Podcasts.

1085
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: For more, rate review and subscribe to our show and

1086
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: if you liked this episode, tell your friends. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: I'm Tommy Dederio

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Speaker 2: Two