1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it's me Josh and for this week's s 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Y s K Selects, I've chosen How Footbinding Worked. It's 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: about an unusual practice that was tradition for about a 4 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: thousand years in China, and it's just absolutely fascinating. Where 5 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: we a little judge you or the usual in this episode, 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,760 Speaker 1: I would say that's a fair assessment, but hopefully you 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: won't judge us too harshly and instead just enjoy this 8 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:33,279 Speaker 1: episode because it's a pretty good one. Take care. Welcome 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, 10 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:49,480 Speaker 1: w Chuck Bryant, and Jerry's over there, and uh, it's 12 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: time for stuff you should know, everybody, so settled down, 13 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: buckle in, get ready. Hey, congratulations to Kristen Bell stuff 14 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: you should know celebrity Van Kristen Bell and her husband 15 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: Dak Shepard had their baby. Oh, hey, congratulations, A big 16 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: congratulations to you. And uh, I don't know if I 17 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: thought you're gonna congratulate her on a kick Starter movie. Oh, 18 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,559 Speaker 1: the Veronica Mars movie. Well, congratulations on that. My wife 19 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: is very much looking forward to that and your wife 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: is looking forward to meeting the baby. She's on her 21 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: way right now. Kristen Bell's locking the doors. Oh my god. 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:28,479 Speaker 1: What started out as a small fascination with their show 23 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,959 Speaker 1: and tragedy dangerous made for TV movie obsession Anyway, I 24 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 1: just wanted to say congratulations. Yeah, that's nice if you 25 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 1: chucked sure, Uh, I got no congratulations over here yet. 26 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: Interesting that I tied that to this podcast on like 27 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: female torture essentially. Do you think there's something to that? Well, 28 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: we live in a world now where we don't have 29 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: to worry about although I think they had a son 30 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 1: where any little baby's feet being binded, I guess not 31 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: babies but four or five year olds. We're bound? Yeah, yeah, bound, binded, bound, Okay, 32 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: because the feet were bound? Yes, yes yeah. Um, do 33 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: you think we should explain to everybody what we're talking 34 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 1: about foot binding? Yeah? I'm glad you. UM think you 35 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 1: congratulated Kristen Bell because I didn't really have much of 36 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: an intro for this one. Um, because it's just so fascinating. 37 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 1: I feel like we should just kind of dive right in. Yeah. 38 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: Fascinating and horrible and like oddly impactful in areas I 39 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: never would have considered. So we should say that over 40 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: the course of about a thousand years, from roughly seventy 41 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: until about the nineteen fifties, like almost on the dot, 42 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: a thousand years, about three billion women in China um 43 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: bound their feet to basically train them to become small 44 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: and pointy in a really bizarre custom that just kind 45 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,799 Speaker 1: of came out of nowhere and stuck around again for 46 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: about a thousand years, voluntarily deforming their feet. Well, at 47 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,400 Speaker 1: the very least their mothers and grandmothers voluntarily deformed their 48 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: feet for them. Good. Yeah, it's a very good point. Actually, Um, 49 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: but at some point they had to take over, and 50 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: I guess then it became voluntary. Well sure, well we'll 51 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: get to all that, Okay, Spoilers abound. So basically this 52 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: was purposeful deformation of the human foot, the human female foot, uh, 53 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: in order to attract men. There was a standard of 54 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: beauty abound foot. Um. And we'll describe it in a minute. 55 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: But um, the idea, the whole thing kind of came 56 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: from they think about, like I said, a d in 57 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: the court of an emperor named Lee. You and Lee 58 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: you had a favorite girlfriend ballerina girl. Yeah, and apparently 59 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: he saw dancing once on a golden lotus pedestal because 60 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 1: everything was made of gold back then in Ya, And um, 61 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: she had her feet kind of wrapped up, I guess, 62 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: like a ballerina or sometime. And he apparently got very 63 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: very excited at this, visibly excited, so much so that, um, 64 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,880 Speaker 1: the other ladies of the court noticed this. Did you 65 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: say visibly excited? Visibly excited? Um, yes, if you know 66 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: what I mean. I would imagine, hey, this guy's been 67 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: dead a thousand years, like all all slander and defamations 68 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 1: like out the window. It's like it was a rocking time. 69 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 1: It was the Southern Tank Dynasty. It was you never 70 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen. Yeah, it made Caligula look like 71 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: watching it as an adult, Yeah boring. Yeah. So um 72 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: so really the lee you was very much entranced by 73 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,839 Speaker 1: this enough that other women in the court noticed it 74 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: and they started wrapping their feet as well, and it 75 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: just kind of took off from there, and it took 76 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: a weird turn pretty early on. Uh what was the turn? Well, 77 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: the turn is originally apparently the first the woman who 78 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: started this whole thing just kind of wrapped her feet 79 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: and bandages. Yeah to too. I guess. Oh, okay, I 80 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: see what you mean that turn. It's a literal turn. Yeah. Well, 81 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: it became a status thing at first because wealthy women 82 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: did it, and um, then it sort of spread and 83 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: and and it also would end up preventing women from 84 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: doing like manual labor. Well, not prevent but it made 85 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: it tougher. So it was sort of a status thing 86 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: that meant like, if you had the bound feet round out, 87 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: they're working in the fields, I don't even have to 88 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: throw home. But then it spread throughout China and only 89 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: a few places, actually it was more than this article 90 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: led on and did some more research on that. I 91 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: saw like where fifty to sixty percent of the women 92 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: ended up binding their feet in China. And this says 93 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 1: like acent except in these provinces. Well I think they 94 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: were saying about close to a of the higher classes. Okay, 95 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, there was so maybe about half of the 96 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: Chinese population total. Yeah, that makes sense. So the strange 97 00:05:57,480 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: turn it took, though, was to go from simply wrapping 98 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: their eat to actually the binding process, which is malforming 99 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: your feet at a young age like four to seven 100 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: years old for life, to where when your shoe is off. 101 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: It looks like you're wearing your foot looks like a 102 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 1: high heel. You're disfigured. Yeah, you can't walk very well. Um, 103 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,559 Speaker 1: you can't again, you can't work in the fields. Um. 104 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: And your your foot has been brought to a point 105 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:32,719 Speaker 1: basically that's ideally three inches long, three inches like that's it, 106 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: and it's pointed. And you do this by training your 107 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: foot and your bones too to deform. Yeah. And when 108 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: I say it looks like a high heel, like, your 109 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: foot looks like a shoe, Like the heel is separate 110 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: from the rest of the foot, and a big block 111 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: that looks like the heel of a shoe. And the 112 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: foot is permanently arched and pointy, and the toes are 113 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: cold under and it's just if you look at pictures 114 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: of this, it's horrific looking. Yeah. And it was so 115 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: um entrenched in the Chinese culture that when it was 116 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: outlawed for I guess the first time in nine um, 117 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: it continued on and it took the Communists taking over 118 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: to really get rid of it, and footbinding went the 119 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: way of disco. Um by just practical necessity, UM, women 120 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: had to work in the field and if you had 121 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: bound feet, well you're in big trouble. Yeah, well the 122 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 1: end of it. Should we talk about the end now 123 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: or should we do it later. Let's do it now. Okay, 124 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: let's just mess with the structure the end of it. 125 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: There were a lot of factors at play. One was 126 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: Western missionaries came over there for the first time and said, yeah, 127 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, this is really not what the rest of 128 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: the world is doing, and it doesn't make you look 129 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: good by the way. Uh, social Darwinists got on it 130 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: and like, yeah, you know what, we're not going to 131 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: survive as a country because like half of our ppulation 132 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: is hobbled. Essentially, It's like this is gonna be really 133 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: bad for business one day, and so they mounted like 134 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: a real campaign, like an education campaign, which is really 135 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: unusual back then. And uh, they had three phases to it. 136 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: One was that it made you look bad and look 137 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: strange to the rest of the world too. That taught 138 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: the advantages of having normal feet, like walking without pain. 139 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: And then they formed um natural foot societies where people 140 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: would pledge not to do this to their daughters or 141 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: allow their daughter to marry a son, or or allow 142 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 1: their son to marry a girl. Who had bound feet, 143 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: because that was one of the big deals. If you 144 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: didn't have bound feet, then guys would just pass you over. 145 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 1: That's what it took to finally like eradicated. When was that, Uh, 146 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 1: that was was that after the nineteen twelve outlaw or 147 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: the no it was leading up to that was formally outlawed, 148 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: but they had government inspectors that would come around and 149 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: make sure you weren't binding feet any longer, and they 150 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: would like hide girls that they still want to do. 151 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,920 Speaker 1: So it's like really oppressive and weird because that campaign 152 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: that you just described is basically point for point trying 153 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: to undo a thousand years of custom like if you 154 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: had unbound feet, like natural feet, you were considered a freak. 155 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: They were ugly, there was something wrong with you. And 156 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: even more to the point, uh, no man would marry 157 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:30,439 Speaker 1: you because bound feet were so idolized in Chinese culture. 158 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: Um that if you were just totally plain or even 159 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: horrendously ugly and every other way, but I really knock 160 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: out bound feet like that was enough for you. You 161 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: were a butterfly, You're gonna do pretty good. That's um yeah, 162 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: I mean it's hard to believe now, but when you 163 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: see these photos in like the X rays and stuff. 164 00:09:53,440 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 1: It's just like total deformation. Yeah, so let's talk about this. 165 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: There's there's an actual process, fairly straightforward, although extremely painful 166 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: and dangerous. Um. If you, like I think you said, 167 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: you you grab like your four year old daughter, you 168 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: say it's time prepare for a lifetime of pain and 169 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: suffering starting now. And you take your feet and you 170 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,400 Speaker 1: soak them in hot water for a few hours in 171 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: animal blood too. Oh yeah, what did that do? The 172 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: same thing? Softened? It softened up? Okay, so like that 173 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: was the whole purposes of the soaking was to soften 174 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: the skin, make it more pliable, and I imagine the 175 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 1: muscles too. Um. And then after the soaking you would 176 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: scrape away any dead skin. And then after that their 177 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,440 Speaker 1: toenails were clipped, you know, super short, so they're still kids. 178 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: Are like, Okay, I don't really like the tonio clipping part, 179 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: but the foot soak more than makes up for it. Um, 180 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: And boy do I really It turns out I like 181 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: animal blood, so can my feet in it? And then um, 182 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: the the either their mom or maybe a learned woman 183 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: in the village would say, all right, now we're going 184 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: to start bending your foot. Ye. Who imagine these ladies too, 185 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 1: if they were the village lady that did it, they 186 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: probably didn't take much guph No, probably not. You know, 187 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: they probably don't mess around. Imagine they came in there 188 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: and just sort of took care of business like they've 189 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 1: heard it all before. But for his is grizzly and 190 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 1: grotesque or procedure. It's actually a delicate procedure too, because 191 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 1: if if you can wrap your mind around less, there's 192 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: ways to do it wrong that can lead to problems. Good, 193 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: there's actual risk factors. So uh, the one other thing 194 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: I left out was a sprinkled talc in there to 195 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: keep it from perspiring because you wanted to be dry. 196 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: And then they start bending things right, yeah, Well then 197 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 1: the cotton comes out the bandages about two inches uh wide, 198 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: about ten feet long, and they would soak those in 199 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: the hot water and blood and herbs as well, because 200 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: they want those to shrink up. It's all about shrinking. 201 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: They want those to shrink up. After they're applied to 202 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: the feet. Um and then the old lady comes up 203 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 1: and she folds the little four toes that were just clipped, 204 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,280 Speaker 1: not the big toe under as far as she can 205 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: and then starts to do little figure eights to keep 206 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: them in place. You leave the big toe exposed, yes, 207 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 1: and you leave the big toe exposed in the heel exposed, 208 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: and you just cinch those little front toes under. They 209 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: break the toes, it breaks the foot bones. It sounds 210 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: horrific because it is. And it brings the heel closer 211 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: towards the ball of the foot. So the point of 212 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: your feet is now your big toe, The slightly wider 213 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: part behind it is the ball of your foot, and 214 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: then behind that is your heel, and underneath it all 215 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: your four poor, poor little toasts and the top of 216 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: your foot is that this really unreasonable, odd looking arch. 217 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: And because that's like you're in a high heel. Yeah. 218 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: By making it arched, you're bringing your allowing that distance 219 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: that was once between the ball of the foot and 220 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: the heel to go up rather than between the two. 221 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: You're bringing them together. And so all this has just 222 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: been done to a four year old four years probably 223 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: crying in pain. And after you've finished with the bandages, um, 224 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: the old lady or the mom would probably sew them because, 225 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,280 Speaker 1: especially if you're dealing with a four year old it's 226 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: going to try to get these things off. Um. And 227 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: then they say, all right, start walking. Yeah, they put 228 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: a little shoe on there, and that the first steps 229 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: with these things. And imagine many steps after order excruciating, 230 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 1: the painful. Yeah you know. Well yeah, um, here's the 231 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: here's the craziest part. If you ask me, you do 232 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,319 Speaker 1: this every day for years, well every couple of days, okay, 233 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:00,120 Speaker 1: every day or every other day is what I them 234 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 1: to diminish it. Yet for a couple of years. It 235 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: takes a couple of a few years for these things 236 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:09,560 Speaker 1: to be fully deformed into what are called the lotus 237 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: petals or new moons or whatever. Because it's a bandage, 238 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: you know, you you unbind and they actually would like 239 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: need the broken foot, keep it broken and uh dry 240 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: it all out real good because infection, like the toes 241 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: would cut into the foot if they weren't clipped properly. 242 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: So infection and gang green it's too tight all big 243 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: threats to like losing their feet, right, because if you wrap, 244 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: if you wrap them too tight, they can become gangrenous 245 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: because you get gang green, which is a massive loss 246 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: of dead tissue UM due to to poor circulation UM. 247 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: So the foot could just fall off. And like you 248 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: were saying, if you don't clip the toe nails, chuck, 249 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: like you have to do that every day or every 250 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: time you you unwrap and then wrap your feet. And 251 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: then even worse than that, if you didn't wrap them 252 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: pretty quickly after you bathe them every day or the 253 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: other day, um, the it could start to lose their shape, 254 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: which apparently was as painful as in the initial footbinding procedure. Yeah, 255 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: like once your foot has started to take shape, if 256 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: you wanted to say, now you know what, I don't 257 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: want to do this anymore. It's just as painful for 258 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 1: the foot to undo itself because it's already like malformed. 259 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: But there was like you didn't think that. I think 260 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: once once this happened to you from your mom or whatever, 261 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: and you grew a little older and you started to 262 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: take over for yourself and you were bathing and wrapping 263 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: your own street every other day. You understood why you 264 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: were doing this because footbinding was so important that you 265 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: could be just completely poverty stricken and some rich dude 266 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: would still be like, I like your feet a lot, 267 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: and yeah, I can't even breathe right now because your 268 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: feet are so deformed, um that I want to marry you. 269 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: It's so weird. Yeah. So there's uh and beyond being 270 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: wrong and gross and oppressive and all that stuff, it 271 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: was just so odd to me that that was like 272 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: a turn on. Yeah, and man, it was a turn on. 273 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: Like footbinding was highly highly erotic. You guys like nice feet, 274 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: trust me, I get that, but these deformed Uh, I 275 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: just don't get it. But this is pretty much a 276 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: national foot fetish. Yeah. Um. And it was nationalized, it 277 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: was cultural, and it was extraordinarily widespread. Like we said, 278 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: about three billion women over the course of a thousand 279 00:16:28,520 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: years um bound their feet. Yeah. And it had a 280 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: lot of odd effects side effects that went along with it. Um, 281 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: when three billion people do something that hobbles them, there 282 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: are going to be some weird repercussions. Yeah that you 283 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: don't think about. Um. One thing it definitely did was 284 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: it foster dominance over women because of the simple fact 285 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: that if a woman's being beaten, she can't run away. Um, 286 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: a woman can't travel very far period, so they're going 287 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 1: to hang around their village, in their house, and so 288 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: it just you know, it's like hobbling somebody all of 289 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: a sudden they can't get around as well, so they're 290 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: just dependent on you, right, and they really aren't traveling much, 291 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: not a lot of traveling going on on your feet 292 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 1: are bound. Um. And then also the fact that you 293 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 1: they have women with bound feet had trouble walking UM 294 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: meant that the architecture of China kind of was created 295 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: to help this out. Like they had to lean on 296 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 1: windows or walls. I mean, so buildings were built close 297 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: together so the average woman could could you know, lean 298 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,959 Speaker 1: on a wall whilst she was walking. Yeah, and there 299 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: weren't a lot of six story walk ups in in 300 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: ancient China, man, that would have been cruel. Everything was 301 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 1: one story as a result, so it yeah, it had 302 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: a weird impact on the architecture in uh what else colonization, Yeah, 303 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: that was a really big one that yeah. Um, you know, 304 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: most people realize that China didn't do a lot of 305 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: exploring um while the rest of the world was. It 306 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: just kind of isolated itself and shut itself off. And 307 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: one of the um reasons given for that was that 308 00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: the women were foot bound and they couldn't travel like um, 309 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:18,679 Speaker 1: women in other countries who could walk normally did UM. 310 00:18:18,760 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: So with the Chinese women unable to travel, and um, 311 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: I guess see the sites. Uh, their men didn't want 312 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,879 Speaker 1: to leave them, so they stayed at home. Yeah. And 313 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: actually the areas that didn't practice footbinding are the ones 314 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: that actually did go out and colonize other places, like 315 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: the Philippines. They were so Southern China. Yeah, or the 316 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: Old West like every Great Old West show has, like 317 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: the one Chinese immigrant family with the ponytails. Yeah. Um. 318 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: The article points out, like we're being hard on it 319 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: because it's easy to look and today it's some antiquated 320 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 1: practice is really cruel and unusual and weird. But um, 321 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: at the time they in the women you know, wanted 322 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: their feet bound. There were great bonds between the generations 323 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: because it was such a cultural thing between the women. 324 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: They would sew their shoes together. Um. I listened to 325 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,159 Speaker 1: this one MPR Fresh Air that interviewed someone some of 326 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,399 Speaker 1: these old Chinese ladies that still you know, are some 327 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: of the last surviving ones, and a couple of them said, 328 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, I really regret it now, it's been a 329 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: lifetime of pain. But most of them said, no, we 330 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: wanted to do it. And this was I'm very proud 331 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,400 Speaker 1: of the fact that we did this. Yeah, and these 332 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: are these are women who are confronted with the outside 333 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: world and they still feel pride about their bound feet. 334 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: You can imagine how much pride a woman had in 335 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: her bound feet while it was the norm, you know, 336 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: because it was basically the norm in China, and these 337 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,239 Speaker 1: women weren't going out anywhere else. So if you had 338 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: really nice bound feet, that was a huge point of 339 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: pride for you. So one of the other weird things 340 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: we need to talk about is sexy time, because we 341 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,479 Speaker 1: talked about foot fetishes and things, but it really like 342 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: something happen and in the water at this time where 343 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: Chinese men really really got into it and they would 344 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,200 Speaker 1: take the shoe off in these odd deformed feet and 345 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: they would like do weird things like drink the water 346 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: that they bathe their feet in, or put nuts between 347 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: the toes and eat the nuts from their toes, and uh, 348 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: just really odd things. I also read that it became 349 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: a another orifice. I guess if you can imagine, oh 350 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: really yeah, and even outside of that, I guess one 351 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: of the more normal things to do is to bury 352 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: your face in the center of the bottom of the 353 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: foot and really get like a good whiff boat motor boat. Notice, 354 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: smell it and then chuck. We should point out that 355 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: if you're doing that, if you're burying your face in 356 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: the deformed foot of a foot bound woman. Um, one 357 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,359 Speaker 1: of the things that happens pretty commonly when your feet 358 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 1: are bound is that they developed pustules that break and stink. 359 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: And so there is a I read one guy a 360 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: contemporary report from several centuries ago saying like, there's no 361 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: other smell like it in the world, Nothing as sexy 362 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: as a deformed foot with leaking, stinky pustules. Yeah. So um, yeah, 363 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: there was a definite fetish that grew up around it. 364 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: There was a UM at least one sex manual released 365 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: with I think forty eight different um things to do 366 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: with um and uh, there the shoes. We didn't talk 367 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: about the shoes if they play a role in that 368 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: eroticism as well. All about the strengthening of the muscles, 369 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: that's a big part. Yeah, yeah, apparently the there was 370 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: a theory at least that because they had to walk 371 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: so funny and oddly, that their vaginal muscles were extra 372 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: strong and thus more pleasurable to the man. So um. 373 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,320 Speaker 1: And then so the average woman with foot bound shoe 374 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: or with with bound feet. I'm sorry everybody, Um, she 375 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: had at least four pairs of shoes you had to 376 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: or else like there was no point in in having 377 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: bound feet. You had to have one for each season. 378 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: Ideally you had at least four pair per season. So 379 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: sixteen some women had hundreds of these, and they were 380 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: designed to really like show off, like, hey, look at 381 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 1: my bound feet, buddy. You know that's what they were 382 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: there for. Um. But there was one specific one that 383 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 1: were always read. They were your wedding shoes, and inside 384 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:36,800 Speaker 1: there was erotic embroidery which the husband, the new husband 385 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: and the new wife would look at and like try 386 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: out together. It's kind of an instruction manual for the 387 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: bride by her mother or the women of the town, 388 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: like just do this. Here's a picture of what you're 389 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: supposed to do tonight. Yeah, and slippers period. I think 390 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: we're just it was almost like the lingerie of the time, 391 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: because they would the bedroom slippers were more like uh embroidered, 392 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: like more sexily as well in just your average like 393 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta go to the shop and pick 394 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 1: up some rice shoes, you know. So the Chinese communists 395 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: came along now and his comrades and said, you know what, 396 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,199 Speaker 1: you're a woman. We don't care. Get to work digging 397 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: ditches and oh your bound feet hurt you. Well, I 398 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: guess you're gonna starve because we give food based on 399 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: how much work you did. If you don't do the work, 400 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: you're gonna starve death. That led to the real conclusion 401 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: of footbinding, and apparently today they say with great authority 402 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: that no one does it any longer. Yeah, that's good 403 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: to know. I'm surprised that it completely died out, because 404 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: do you think there'd be like some remote families here there? 405 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, it's well, welcome to the modern age, 406 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: this is what I say. And that just a bizarre, 407 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: strange chapter, thousand year chapter and one of the most 408 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: populous nations on the planet's history, and very few people 409 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: know about it. Well, now a lot more people do, 410 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: that's right. Uh, you got anything else? No, you know, 411 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: you can't, like there's no place we can direct people 412 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 1: to voice their outrage because it doesn't happen anymore. No, 413 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: but I'm sure we're gonna get a lot of suggestions 414 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: for female genital mutilation, and we should probably do that one. 415 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Female circumcision. We haven't done that. No, we did male circumcision. 416 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 1: I don't think we talked about female. I think we'd 417 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: like mentioned it, said we'll do that later. Oh, well, 418 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,680 Speaker 1: there you have it. We'll do it again. Uh So, 419 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: if you want to learn more about foot binding and 420 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: see some pictures of some um unshod bound feet, you 421 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,600 Speaker 1: can type foot binding in the search bar how stuff 422 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: works dot com and will bring up this article. And 423 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: I said search bar, which means it's time for a message. 424 00:24:41,760 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: Break all right now, listener mail right, that's right, I'm 425 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: gonna call this. 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