Speaker 1: How I Suck At Dating with Denglert and Jared Haven
Speaker 1: and I heard radio podcast What's going on Everyone, and
Speaker 1: welcome to an all new episode of Help I Suck
Speaker 1: at Dating? And as always it is the Suckiest Dater
Speaker 1: of all. Here Dean Unglert, joined by the lovely fellow
Speaker 1: sucky datter, Jared ha Ben. We have a very special
Speaker 1: co host with us today, a young lady who doesn't
Speaker 1: suck at dating, but she has she has sucked at
Speaker 1: dating in the past. Um, I I don't, I shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should have said that, but
Speaker 1: we have Jenna Cooper here with us today. Jenna, Welcome
Speaker 1: to the podcast. Thank you, Thank you. Ed. Yes, I
Speaker 1: have very much sucked at making decisions towards what got
Speaker 1: me into bad dating. That's what I was alluding to.
Speaker 1: We've seen some of your bad dating choices, um, nationally
Speaker 1: on television, so that's what I was alluding to. But
Speaker 1: now you're married, you are you are married, you have
Speaker 1: a kid, so you don't start your dating anymore. No,
Speaker 1: you know, it's so great. I had always heard older
Speaker 1: people tell me I'm so glad I'm married, I'm so good.
Speaker 1: I don't have to date. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: I was like, why, it's fun because I was young
Speaker 1: and it was great. And then I went to a
Speaker 1: string of really really bad, traumatizing dating, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that's why. Now I'm married and I'm happy. I can
Speaker 1: wear my sweats that can be totally myself. That's great.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Jared and I talked about it all
Speaker 1: the time on this podcast. How lucky we are to
Speaker 1: have convinced our our wives to date us and marry us.
Speaker 1: Because dating, Um, when you're doing it, it's fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but once you're in like a long term relationship, especially
Speaker 1: you now you have a kid, especially like I can't
Speaker 1: even imagine going back to dating. So we are very
Speaker 1: lucky and honored to have our partners with us. There's
Speaker 1: no question about it. Um. But welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 1: We're happy to have you co host with us today.
Speaker 1: I was looking back, I think this is the first
Speaker 1: time we've had you co host with us, right, I
Speaker 1: think so, yes, And I don't think I've ever met
Speaker 1: you in person, so formerly nice to meet you, even
Speaker 1: though it's digitally here. Um. For the listeners out there,
Speaker 1: we know Jenna, we know Jenna from I want to say,
Speaker 1: not Colton season are season. We know we know you
Speaker 1: from our season. We know you a little bit better.
Speaker 1: From Bachelor in Paradise season five. I want to say,
Speaker 1: I think it was five. Actually yeah. The only reason
Speaker 1: I say that because I was on four and I
Speaker 1: was on six and I don't remember you and um
Speaker 1: and Jared, Hello, how are you? I haven't said how
Speaker 1: do you yet? It's quite alright. No, you're killing the
Speaker 1: game right now. I feel like on this podcast there
Speaker 1: are times where I take over, and then there are
Speaker 1: times where you take over, and this feels like a
Speaker 1: podcast that's gonna take over, which I'm totally fine with
Speaker 1: because I'm feeling off today, just like a lot, like
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie this. Henry Cavill's Superman News really
Speaker 1: got me down in the dumps, bro, Like, I am
Speaker 1: pretty depressed about it, and now everything is like piling
Speaker 1: on top of it, and now I'm thinking about like
Speaker 1: issues that I have of my personal life with family
Speaker 1: or business, and now like I'm just gonna run. You
Speaker 1: know how you dis cycle? Can you fill me in? Jenna?
Speaker 1: And because I have no idea what you're talking about?
Speaker 1: You guys don't have to know. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: dumbest ever. But Henry Cavill, I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys remember you have Okay. I'm a big superhero Superman fan.
Speaker 1: It means a lot to me. Henry cavill has been Superman,
Speaker 1: but he there's been a lot of controversy over the
Speaker 1: past several years. He made Man of Steel. It was
Speaker 1: a great movie, but then there's been other movies that
Speaker 1: haven't been as good. Some people would argue I would
Speaker 1: argue differently, but he hasn't really gotten a chance to
Speaker 1: have his own Superman movie. He's only made cameos. It's
Speaker 1: been really weird. He's a great Superman. He got announced
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago that he's finally coming back
Speaker 1: after years, years of speculation and fans wanting him to
Speaker 1: be back as Superman, and everybody was so excited. He
Speaker 1: went on a freaking press tour to announce his return
Speaker 1: as Superman easton our Very one producers saw him in
Speaker 1: person because he went on Seacrest and Kelly I think
Speaker 1: that's the name of the show. But he went on
Speaker 1: and I was like, yep, I'm back a Superman. And
Speaker 1: then now there's been like all these different varying reports
Speaker 1: that he might not be as back because d C
Speaker 1: hired James Gunn as like CEO of their superhero slate,
Speaker 1: and they were saying that James Gunn might change a
Speaker 1: lot of things. And then it finally got announced yesterday
Speaker 1: and a heartbreaking post by Henry Cavill that officially he's
Speaker 1: not returning a Superman and it just really just like
Speaker 1: made me sad and bitter and angry, and then that's fine,
Speaker 1: I'll get over it. But then, of course, like you
Speaker 1: know how like something will set you off and then
Speaker 1: immediately be like, you know what else sucks? That sucks,
Speaker 1: and then everything just like piles on top. So it's
Speaker 1: divulged into my personal life. Now everything's fine between Ashley
Speaker 1: and I. Has nothing to do with Ashley I other
Speaker 1: aspects of it, but anyway, that's where I'm at today.
Speaker 1: Deem continue, Jenna, it's very nice meeting you once again.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Superman
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with dating Jenna. Do you have
Speaker 1: any insight on this whole Henry Cavill situation, because I
Speaker 1: have got nothing, Nobody, nobody wants it, Nobody wants the
Speaker 1: inside now, and you know what, like just something that
Speaker 1: I've kind of learned over the years is that we
Speaker 1: might never really know like why, And even if they
Speaker 1: say why, it's maybe not actually why. There may be
Speaker 1: some other weird things going on. So maybe it'll end
Speaker 1: up being for the best. Maybe there's some other big
Speaker 1: movie he said, or I mean, who knows, but he
Speaker 1: got fired and see what happens. Even James Gunn came
Speaker 1: out and said that, which is so sad. I will say,
Speaker 1: I know, I was really critical of Man of Steel
Speaker 1: last episode. Go back and listen to it. I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan of Man of Steel, and I hey, Jared,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's okay, but today's not the day of
Speaker 1: my friend. But let me tell you where I'm going
Speaker 1: with this is. My issue with Man of Steel was
Speaker 1: not Henry cavill. I think he was fine as an actor.
Speaker 1: I do think he really has the Superman look to him,
Speaker 1: and I really appreciate that he looks like Superman. He
Speaker 1: looks right like he's got the strong jaw, the clean shape,
Speaker 1: the nice clothed hair, the muscles. He's he was a superman.
Speaker 1: Um My issues with the movie were not Henry cavill centric.
Speaker 1: So I'm sorry. I wish you weren't um having a
Speaker 1: bad day because of this news, but here we are.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it gets better. Thank you, Jenna. Sometimes I realized,
Speaker 1: trust me, I care about things that it should not
Speaker 1: matter way too much. But you know, I guess that's
Speaker 1: what life is all about, right, You're passionate. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's more than I can say. I go, I just
Speaker 1: moved through life not caring about anything. You're in a
Speaker 1: way better situation than night, Jenna. I'm in the middle.
Speaker 1: I choose, Jenna, give us a life update because it's
Speaker 1: been a long time since we've seen you on our TVs.
Speaker 1: Of course, we can follow you on social media and stuff,
Speaker 1: and we see all of the big news that you're
Speaker 1: going through and all of these incredible life experiences that
Speaker 1: you're having. Give us like an elevator pitch of kind
Speaker 1: of what you've been up to since last time we
Speaker 1: saw you on TV. Oh my, okay, so let's see
Speaker 1: on TV everything was great and fun. Actually was a
Speaker 1: pretty pretty good experience. Then everything kind of that happened
Speaker 1: after was you know, a big lie, blown up and exaggerated,
Speaker 1: and I kind of went to hiding. He would say,
Speaker 1: like I knew it wasn't true, but it was just
Speaker 1: hard to walk in public like with my head up,
Speaker 1: knowing that everybody thinks I'm, like, I didn't know, like
Speaker 1: a cheater, a sugar baby, whatever they were, whatever they
Speaker 1: were saying. I was, um, yeah, let's get some context
Speaker 1: to that, because I remember that that was the craziest thing.
Speaker 1: And I was not even really following it that closely,
Speaker 1: but I remember when um, it pretty much came out
Speaker 1: that everything. So it's like hard, it's hard to explain,
Speaker 1: it's hard to understand it. That's the problem is it
Speaker 1: makes no sense and it came from nothing. If something
Speaker 1: would have happened, you know, I could have the best
Speaker 1: thing for me to do would have, you know, complain
Speaker 1: and said, Okay, I'm sorry for this. This is what
Speaker 1: the real situation was, what it went over. The problem
Speaker 1: is it was totally made up. So the producers called
Speaker 1: me when you know, they it gets announced by reality
Speaker 1: see that I am trying to even remember. I think
Speaker 1: that I was I was cheating on Jordan's with like
Speaker 1: a sugar daddy, I guess. And then these fake text
Speaker 1: came out, which by the way, we're very terribly made,
Speaker 1: like they could have made them more believable. And the
Speaker 1: producers called me and just say like, is this true?
Speaker 1: And I was like laughing because they're reading me these
Speaker 1: texts in the article and I'm like, no, like, nobody's
Speaker 1: gonna believe that that's app but none of that's true.
Speaker 1: But then, um, a lot of people did believe it.
Speaker 1: And I think the worst thing was Jordan was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's true, like she admitted it. I don't know why
Speaker 1: he did that. I was a very confused. So I
Speaker 1: basically just kind of like to say anything because, um,
Speaker 1: I was getting like these emails saying, you're under contract,
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to say anything. I'm sorry if you
Speaker 1: want to stand up for yourself, but don't say anything.
Speaker 1: And I would say, well, how come, how come Jordan
Speaker 1: can do these interviews? Like what can I just say
Speaker 1: a few things, just say it's not true. I want
Speaker 1: my privacy. It was really weird, and I so I
Speaker 1: had like some lawyers and they said the same thing.
Speaker 1: They said, if you want to have like a case
Speaker 1: with this, which you have, don't say anything. So I
Speaker 1: was just quiet and if I ever made a post.
Speaker 1: It was just weird. Picture. I could barely say anything
Speaker 1: and it just didn't make sense. So like I understand
Speaker 1: why everybody was like, well, it's probably true because I
Speaker 1: had such a weird quiet reaction. So like now, like
Speaker 1: years later, I would respond so much differently. I would
Speaker 1: tell him everything going on behind the scenes, like things
Speaker 1: that lies that were told to me, like what the
Speaker 1: truth was. But um, I didn't know how to handle it,
Speaker 1: very naive. I think that's why they chose me initially
Speaker 1: to go on the show, because I had never been
Speaker 1: on a plane, I didn't understand the entertainment industry, and
Speaker 1: I was just kind of like a plant for comedic
Speaker 1: relief that they and mold into anything. And that's what happened.
Speaker 1: And I was okay with that because I understand that
Speaker 1: when you go on to Bachelor, you're given to edit
Speaker 1: you you have to just stick with it and just
Speaker 1: and and that sign it. Um. But everything that happened
Speaker 1: after that that affected my real life was awful. And
Speaker 1: there were local newspapers, you know, printing the story. It was.
Speaker 1: It was everywhere. So I was like, okay, I can't date,
Speaker 1: and I was just totally alone. I kind of became
Speaker 1: like a order. I was like I don't want to
Speaker 1: take my trash. I was literally just depressed. It was
Speaker 1: bad and I didn't know how to deal with it.
Speaker 1: I didn't have tons of support outside of like my family,
Speaker 1: like a few friends, and I understand the bachelor world.
Speaker 1: Really that's it. You don't want to get into it,
Speaker 1: right because if you come out and say maybe it's
Speaker 1: not true, you might get attacked because that's how the
Speaker 1: internet works. You get one side and everybody has to
Speaker 1: pile on. And everybody was like, oh, poor Jordan, and
Speaker 1: she she looks crazy, right, So I felt like I
Speaker 1: became the person that they blamed for anybody who has
Speaker 1: ever them, were cheated on them, or maybe their parents
Speaker 1: got divorced or something. They all it's like they took
Speaker 1: it out on me. And I can read these messages
Speaker 1: and and feel how hurt people are and they just
Speaker 1: want to take it out. And I guess I just
Speaker 1: became that person. Um and it brought me down. I
Speaker 1: felt like a huge weight for a long time. But
Speaker 1: now I know it sounds like cliche, but now I
Speaker 1: feel so much stronger and so much smarter because of it,
Speaker 1: And weirdly, I'm actually glad it happened. Because of the
Speaker 1: big shift in just like the dynamic on Reddit, them
Speaker 1: not decided to just trash people right away, the fact
Speaker 1: that reality seems if I'm gonna bet my sources better.
Speaker 1: I just feel like there was a change that at
Speaker 1: least was something good came out of it, and um,
Speaker 1: like a lot of people reached out and apologized later,
Speaker 1: and I feel like I developed friendships and met a
Speaker 1: lot of cool people and had experiences that like I'm
Speaker 1: so thankful for because like such as a meeting Carl,
Speaker 1: having pres slate and and that's kind of where I
Speaker 1: was getting at with go on TV. It's fun and great.
Speaker 1: Terrible thing happens, but now I'm happy and I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. Yeah, it's definitely.
Speaker 1: It's definitely tough when you have everything that you want
Speaker 1: now right You've got your husband, your kid, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to look back and regret anything because all those
Speaker 1: things in a weird way led you to where you are,
Speaker 1: which is great. Um, I don't want to I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to minimize your situation at all. Have you guys
Speaker 1: ever played the game the Village before? Where are you
Speaker 1: going with this? So? There's this game that we played
Speaker 1: in Pakistan every night. It's called the village. If if
Speaker 1: you have like ten people, there's two wolves and then
Speaker 1: a bunch of villagers, and every night the wolf, like
Speaker 1: you know, you close your eyes, you go to bed,
Speaker 1: and the wolves kill one villager and then you wake
Speaker 1: up in the morning and you're supposed to guess who
Speaker 1: the wolf is and you want to vote them out
Speaker 1: of the village essentially. And when you play that game,
Speaker 1: if you're a villager and you're like one of the
Speaker 1: good guys, but you're being accused of being a wolf,
Speaker 1: and you know in your heart, you're like, I am
Speaker 1: telling the truth and none of you are believing me.
Speaker 1: There's no worse feeling than knowing what you're saying is true,
Speaker 1: but having a group of people believe that you're lying.
Speaker 1: And I can't imagine that's what I'm saying. I can't
Speaker 1: imagine how helpless you must have felt, because it's one
Speaker 1: of the like in such a trivial, non meaningful game,
Speaker 1: it's such a bad feeling. But this this wasn't just
Speaker 1: a game. You know, this is your life. So I
Speaker 1: can only imagine what But that's a good no. But
Speaker 1: that's a good way to describe it, and like imagine,
Speaker 1: because you know, the best way is to try to
Speaker 1: understand the situation is to try to put yourself in
Speaker 1: somebody else's shoes. And I know a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the show have gone through a lot of drama
Speaker 1: because I've made up things too, and it's just awful.
Speaker 1: So I just try to say, like, imagine, if this
Speaker 1: comes out about you, let's take it to a lower scale.
Speaker 1: It's because you know a lot of normal people who
Speaker 1: will come on here like and bully people they say
Speaker 1: are like celebrities, which I don't consider myself from very
Speaker 1: much normal. Like to them, they were like, oh, I
Speaker 1: can say anything to me, and I want to to her.
Speaker 1: But I'm like, okay, let's just say you go into
Speaker 1: work and somebody sends an email saying you did something
Speaker 1: absolutely terrible and everybody believes it. But the thing is,
Speaker 1: how do you prove something that's not true? Like, like
Speaker 1: you know, you can't, you can't, you can't. They're like,
Speaker 1: we'll go through your text records. Okay, I did that,
Speaker 1: but if there's not if these texts aren't real, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to find them. So what do I say
Speaker 1: to you. So I literally, I mean I didn't even
Speaker 1: have that much money at the time. I literally use
Speaker 1: all my money to hire people to go through all
Speaker 1: my personal information to say this never happened. These texts
Speaker 1: were never sent. I mean, they went through my eye cloud.
Speaker 1: It's like so gross to think about the invasion. But
Speaker 1: I let them in just to try to prove that
Speaker 1: I didn't do it. And then it came out and
Speaker 1: they were like, you made that up. You made that
Speaker 1: So I just I kind of cant up. How do
Speaker 1: these rumors even start? Like? Who do you know who
Speaker 1: the like? And you don't have to name names or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but do you know who the person
Speaker 1: was that reached out to Reality Steve about it the
Speaker 1: first time? Okay, I don't think I can say the
Speaker 1: person that we found to be sure the one created
Speaker 1: the text, because something might still happen because of that.
Speaker 1: Like legally, I don't really want to like resut it
Speaker 1: that I have, but there, but I do have, which
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I talked to um Steve because he
Speaker 1: gave me the information showing a couple other people who
Speaker 1: were very involved in spreading it around. Because there were
Speaker 1: multiple stories and he did kind of run with them
Speaker 1: and looking at them like I have emails. They're so
Speaker 1: fake and I don't know why he believed them. But yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's there's three people, two women, and then somebody
Speaker 1: who is actually very close to Jordan is the one
Speaker 1: that made them up. Um, which is it's terrible, um,
Speaker 1: but it kind of makes sense. It kind of actually
Speaker 1: makes sense because there was definitely a motivation there. Um.
Speaker 1: I just wish I would have known this years ago.
Speaker 1: But now outside Yeah, yeah, it's so tough. Two things. One, Um, well,
Speaker 1: I remember you said that you look crazy. You don't
Speaker 1: look crazy, first of all. Uh. Secondly, your story is
Speaker 1: so so different because yes, we go on the show
Speaker 1: and you know, there is a certain level of editing
Speaker 1: of course that goes on and we get edited to look,
Speaker 1: you know, either more like something or less like something,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't pack our lives. But most of the time,
Speaker 1: what I tell people a lot is it doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: not going to ruin your life. You know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's not like you're gonna get like Ashley. Definitely, you
Speaker 1: know it has more to her than just crying. But
Speaker 1: of course they're gonna high like that. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's all funny and most of it's just for laughs,
Speaker 1: and if you can take yourself less seriously, yes, there
Speaker 1: are going to be people who are rude, but you
Speaker 1: can get the perfect edit and there's still people are
Speaker 1: going to be rude to what happened. What happened with
Speaker 1: you is wildly different because yours came after the show.
Speaker 1: That didn't. It is crazy to think that all this
Speaker 1: happened after the show. Was it ever talked about on
Speaker 1: the show at like a reunion because I don't remember. No, Okay, no,
Speaker 1: they they asked me to go back on Paradise and
Speaker 1: I was like, I am like, absolutely not. Of course
Speaker 1: they told me, you know, you can have your conversation
Speaker 1: with him, because I think he like blocked me. I
Speaker 1: don't know he said I blocked. I'm confused. But we
Speaker 1: never Jordan, I never had any type of closure. That's
Speaker 1: actually not a terrible idea because there's so many things.
Speaker 1: There's so many things that he knew he uh um.
Speaker 1: But anyways, yeah, no, there was never never anything. It's weird.
Speaker 1: It's just kind of still like floating out there. I'm
Speaker 1: just glad other good things that happened in my life.
Speaker 1: To cover up some of the terrible articles. I couldn't
Speaker 1: get jobs. They were like, I'm sorry, they were like,
Speaker 1: it might not be true, but like we can't. We
Speaker 1: can't risk it and hire you because of what you
Speaker 1: look like on the internet. Like it sucks it just
Speaker 1: and well, I'm so glad that you got over that,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I can only I remember hearing the news
Speaker 1: that it was that Steve came out and said I
Speaker 1: was wrong. This is all fabricated and I really screwed up,
Speaker 1: um and being like and just thinking, holy that that
Speaker 1: was all on true, Like that was fake. He got duped.
Speaker 1: And listen, I'm not trying to drag him as Steve.
Speaker 1: He does a great job at his job. On him,
Speaker 1: I personally like him. I don't care if you guys
Speaker 1: like him or not. I don't like it. I don't
Speaker 1: know him personally. But my point is, of course he's
Speaker 1: good at his job, Like he gets the majority of things.
Speaker 1: He's bad at his job. Look at what he did.
Speaker 1: Look what an example of like horrible nous um, but
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, it's crazy to think, but I
Speaker 1: mean the point being one, I'm just very happy that
Speaker 1: that is behind you. It just sucks that you had
Speaker 1: to go through that, and it's really unlike anything any
Speaker 1: Bachelor contestant has ever experienced, because this is very different
Speaker 1: think getting quote unquote a bad edit um, because even
Speaker 1: people who get like quote unquote bad edit, like they
Speaker 1: still do things and it's like, well, you did do that,
Speaker 1: you did say that you It was like, no, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm true, like I am being honest, I did
Speaker 1: not do this, and nobody believed you. And it's just sad,
Speaker 1: but I'm so happy for you. Thank you. Do you
Speaker 1: want to know the worst part. The worst part about
Speaker 1: that is I think it's because since I was like
Speaker 1: young and started working, there were so many situations of
Speaker 1: like men in power who wanted to abuse it and
Speaker 1: who did offer money, bonuses, whatever it was, and I
Speaker 1: always said no, like, it's definitely out there. I know
Speaker 1: it's out there. I don't judge people. I don't care.
Speaker 1: I don't care if you're a sugar baby, do not care.
Speaker 1: It's just the fact that I always wanted to be
Speaker 1: independent and work extra hard so I didn't have to
Speaker 1: take anything from anybody, like especially a man. I just
Speaker 1: never wanted to be in that position and so for
Speaker 1: that to come out essentially becoming like my identity for
Speaker 1: two years at least on the internet, it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what that's what was so hard. And then for
Speaker 1: obviously for the person that I was engaged to to
Speaker 1: like not stand by I mean whatsoever um that art too,
Speaker 1: Like Jordanized relationship. I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 1: know a lot about it because like it wasn't very public,
Speaker 1: I guess because you know how you're supposed to kind
Speaker 1: of keep it a secret until Paradise. Well, the story
Speaker 1: came out the night the finale aired, so it was
Speaker 1: all really weird and nobody really ever got to know,
Speaker 1: but that we definitely had like our struggles and so
Speaker 1: like for him, like I was choosing to love him
Speaker 1: and to try to make this relationship where it was
Speaker 1: not perfect in rainbows and butterflies like it was, it
Speaker 1: was hard, and I think, like if you only have
Speaker 1: one person trying and one person kind of happened, thinking
Speaker 1: like like, I'm not gonna blame him totally for it,
Speaker 1: because I think he was getting these messages from these
Speaker 1: other women and was a little bit like worried. But
Speaker 1: for him to to tell me, I cannot stand about
Speaker 1: you publicly and then to break up with me through
Speaker 1: an Instagram post. I didn't even know it was. He
Speaker 1: was just you know, yes, that's how I found out,
Speaker 1: like that we were like, our engagement was totally off.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, this is dramatic black in my
Speaker 1: Instagram post was like okay, so none, so none of
Speaker 1: that was normal. So I get that people. I get
Speaker 1: that people were confused and didn't really know what to believe.
Speaker 1: And we're like, well, I guess it must be true,
Speaker 1: you know, because he's saying it's true and breaking up
Speaker 1: with me and is, yeah, you know what, do you
Speaker 1: know what the worst? The worst part is And I've
Speaker 1: told a few other people I say that was the
Speaker 1: worst part. This was the worst part, getting like blamed
Speaker 1: for that. He actually Jordan's actually had a girlfriend when
Speaker 1: we were engaged, and I'm not The thing is like,
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like start anything because he at
Speaker 1: least he told me, so I was like, okay, he said,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm breaking up with her now. I was like,
Speaker 1: I know people go on the show of dating people.
Speaker 1: I know they did. I honestly was not even that.
Speaker 1: I was like, you probably came on here for fun whatever.
Speaker 1: For me, I didn't know if you would really find love.
Speaker 1: But that was I think, really hard. So it was
Speaker 1: so many things that piled up, and then the truth
Speaker 1: was never put out, so I get to people just
Speaker 1: had to go with whatever they saw in the media
Speaker 1: and articles and is right. It's interesting too because if
Speaker 1: you if you were to, if anyone were to cheat
Speaker 1: on someone and gets caught, then you're like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: feel bad and people are angry at me, but I
Speaker 1: deserve it because if you're getting all of this like
Speaker 1: negative attention from people because they think he did something
Speaker 1: wrong and you didn't even do the thing that was
Speaker 1: there blaming you of I like, that's that's that's like
Speaker 1: I think anyone in that situation Asian would uh, like
Speaker 1: you said you were you were dealing with depression all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and you weren't leaving the house.
Speaker 1: I think so many people would have that same reaction
Speaker 1: because it's like, what what what can you do? You
Speaker 1: can you can speak until you're blue in the face,
Speaker 1: but like people are gonna believe what they're gonna believe,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's how it was. Yeah, yeah, your
Speaker 1: story does that puts things in perspective, it's one of
Speaker 1: those stories that you hear because even I'm self reflecting
Speaker 1: right now about like what's you know, how like I'm
Speaker 1: set at different things in my life and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, it could be I could be in
Speaker 1: this situation where someone's blatantly saying something factually inaccurate, and
Speaker 1: then I'm combating it, and just there's nothing I say
Speaker 1: or do will change people's minds. You know, it's funny too.
Speaker 1: You were talking about how years ago, you know, you
Speaker 1: were said listen, don't say anything. Um, you know, just
Speaker 1: just you know, you could say it's not true, but
Speaker 1: then don't go into details. It's so funny. I just
Speaker 1: feel that that way of thinking has has should have
Speaker 1: been put to bed a long time ago, because it's
Speaker 1: such an old school way of thinking of like don't
Speaker 1: say anything, You're only gonna hurt yourself. But with social
Speaker 1: media today, it's like you have to come out and
Speaker 1: defend yourself. You have to come out and say the
Speaker 1: truth because it's not it's a twenty four hour news
Speaker 1: cycle though. You know, it's not the old days where
Speaker 1: you catch the five o'clock news and then that's you know,
Speaker 1: everything is updating throughout the day, in the week, and
Speaker 1: you know weekends you have off, it's like, no this
Speaker 1: you have you find out on Twitter immediately. And if
Speaker 1: somebody doesn't immediately say something, I mean, I can't tell
Speaker 1: you how many times I've seen you know, celebrities or
Speaker 1: comics or wherever come out and be like my lawyers
Speaker 1: told me not to say anything, but I'm saying something.
Speaker 1: Most of the times I'm yeah, yeah, yeah, but do
Speaker 1: you want to? You know what's also funny is the
Speaker 1: fact that, like there's been a lot of changes too
Speaker 1: for like bullying, which I think is great, but like
Speaker 1: when my story was out, first of all, I was
Speaker 1: getting attacked, but I don't even know how many people,
Speaker 1: but also bought somebody was buying bots to like say
Speaker 1: I had all these sugar daddies and making up these
Speaker 1: fake accounts with these stories. Now, like you can't say
Speaker 1: a mean thing to somebody. Like I was making a
Speaker 1: comment the other day and I said, um, something got
Speaker 1: a pig because I haven't pick. I was talking about
Speaker 1: my pet pig and it got deleted and Instagram said
Speaker 1: like that to strike, like, you know, we don't allow
Speaker 1: any bullying and I was just like, wow, where was
Speaker 1: this back in the day. It was like, yeah, So
Speaker 1: I actually had this like social club in Raleigh that
Speaker 1: I had started with like a bunch of women and
Speaker 1: we were promoting small businesses and it was so fun. Well,
Speaker 1: somebody made a huge, huge Reddit article that went everywhere,
Speaker 1: that went onto Facebook, that made it into a few articles, um,
Speaker 1: saying that I was running an escort service, and so
Speaker 1: I had to stop. I had to stop doing that
Speaker 1: because it was it got it was very negative and
Speaker 1: it was kind of it kind of had to like
Speaker 1: re restart my whole life basically after it. Um. But
Speaker 1: again again, I at least I'm glad where I'm at,
Speaker 1: because I don't know where it would be otherwise. But
Speaker 1: it it's a it's a scar for its very and
Speaker 1: it's tough, and it's a scar that you have, and
Speaker 1: and well, I'm very happy that you've I don't want
Speaker 1: to say, like obviously gotten over that scar. I don't
Speaker 1: know how to phrase it. You can only you're doing
Speaker 1: one who could phrase it. But I'm very happy that
Speaker 1: you have a family. You have, you have your daughters,
Speaker 1: you have one one child, right, yes, yeah, Presley, she's
Speaker 1: two and a half. She's awesome, Prestle two and a half.
Speaker 1: That's a great name. I mean, is she named after
Speaker 1: Elvis Presley? How about this? No, listen to this. You
Speaker 1: won't believe this, but it's true. So I did not
Speaker 1: know it when I chose her name, so it doesn't
Speaker 1: count exactly. But her dad is very distantly related to us,
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is perfect, Like it's pretty distant,
Speaker 1: but still so I'm like, she technically has a family name. Ye,
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. Hopefully she's in the younger guys because Elvis,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Pressley and Dawson might be you know, a
Speaker 1: future a future playing Yeah, well ten months, so he's
Speaker 1: I mean, that's not bad. So when she's yeah, that's
Speaker 1: really fun. I know, I feel like it's funny once
Speaker 1: you're kind of like in this world, it's like you
Speaker 1: can't really just date normally. So it's like, maybe maybe
Speaker 1: our children are gonna have to like should do is?
Speaker 1: I mean, granted, if the show is still on in
Speaker 1: Many Many, you know, I know what you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: We'll just all put all the kids from Bachelor Nation
Speaker 1: on a show on in Paradise. We'll send them to Sayulita,
Speaker 1: and it will just be paradise with the kids on
Speaker 1: the Bachelor. Okay, fine, if like we get to have
Speaker 1: the control, because if the producers are managing that, I
Speaker 1: will not sender. And then then we're the producers, we're
Speaker 1: the ones. And then there's cameras in the production room
Speaker 1: where we're coming up with like the ideas. Do we
Speaker 1: just think of a really cool, cool idea? I think
Speaker 1: it's great. I mean right now, obviously we can't will
Speaker 1: be you know, exploiting our children. But once they turn eighteen,
Speaker 1: straight to sit, I'll send my dog down or something,
Speaker 1: I guess. So yeah, there you go. Hey, you know
Speaker 1: what we said years from now? Who knows. Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1: That's true. And like you keep saying, and we keep
Speaker 1: alluding to, everything did work out for the best because
Speaker 1: you have Presley, you have your husband and all those things. Um,
Speaker 1: how did you and the your husband meet? So a
Speaker 1: mutual friend introduced us that they kind of worked together
Speaker 1: and she was just one of my really good friends.
Speaker 1: And um, she told Carl and look around this business
Speaker 1: meeting and how that coffee and then she invited me.
Speaker 1: M she told him fifteen minutes before by the way
Speaker 1: a friend is just gonna come meet us, and he's
Speaker 1: like okay, and I come walking in in like all pink,
Speaker 1: like these sunglasses was pearl. That's like I had a
Speaker 1: little bit of her. And he's probably like what in
Speaker 1: the world, because Carl is very like reserve, like quiet
Speaker 1: and like sweet. And I was like, but you know,
Speaker 1: somehow I think he kind of liked me, or at
Speaker 1: least he was somewhat intrigued, because you know, we talked
Speaker 1: a little and then we started going on a few
Speaker 1: days and then it was just like we never stopped.
Speaker 1: It was just like and I just really appreciated that
Speaker 1: he didn't know anything about the show, didn't care, has
Speaker 1: never watched it. It was like supportive. And he said,
Speaker 1: if you do, you say that's not true. It's not true,
Speaker 1: because that was I hate it. But that's one of
Speaker 1: the first things I have to say if you look
Speaker 1: me up, because you know, when you go to date somebody,
Speaker 1: what do they do. They google you, They look up
Speaker 1: into him like, well you're gonna see this stuff like
Speaker 1: it's not true. And the fact that he like just
Speaker 1: believe me and stuck out of me was like, it's
Speaker 1: it's fine, it's not that big. The deal was amazing
Speaker 1: and yeah, so then do you find do you find
Speaker 1: that Carl is less reserved after you've you guys been
Speaker 1: together now, because is that? Well? I find myself pretty reserved,
Speaker 1: but I feel like those personalities mesh well because Ashley
Speaker 1: is very opposite and she's brought a lot out of
Speaker 1: me over the past few years that I've always had
Speaker 1: but just have been reserved. And so I finally think
Speaker 1: a little Yeah, so I finally never going to be
Speaker 1: the Instagram husband. Yeah, I'm sure it has. I think
Speaker 1: I think it's really I think it's really good for
Speaker 1: couples like that, um, and I think it has been
Speaker 1: good for us and for him, if for me because
Speaker 1: he'll like bring me down like relaxing, like but like
Speaker 1: just to like a level I need to be at. Um,
Speaker 1: so I'm not like so I don't know, anxious and
Speaker 1: just so cocoa all around all the time. Honestly, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much. But he's still like I think he's like,
Speaker 1: oh about like Instagram stuff. He'll he'll he'll get in
Speaker 1: a picture with me, but he's like, I'm not doing
Speaker 1: those like videos. But it's fine, Like he's just it's
Speaker 1: at his personality and I love it so, um it
Speaker 1: does work out. He grounds me a lot. Good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good in a weird way, all of that bad
Speaker 1: uh stuff that happened to help your job dodge the
Speaker 1: bullet and led you to Carls. So like, like you
Speaker 1: keep saying that's good. I've never been a big fan
Speaker 1: of Jordan as it stands. He's always been kind of
Speaker 1: a punk to me, said mean things to me every
Speaker 1: time I say it, though Caylen always shoots me a
Speaker 1: look because he did defend Caylin at our reunion, so
Speaker 1: Calin like has a soft spot form The thing with
Speaker 1: him that's hard, I think to know with people if
Speaker 1: you when you're deciding like if you if you like
Speaker 1: him or not, it's the problem is is you don't
Speaker 1: really get to see him because he he puts on
Speaker 1: like this TV personality and him defending her. I hate
Speaker 1: to say it, but he probably did it for himself
Speaker 1: because that's what he does. Um, so he probably likes her.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying he just things for his image
Speaker 1: for himself. And so that's not to say that underneath
Speaker 1: is a terrible person. I don't really know because I
Speaker 1: didn't really get to see a whole lot of it,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's calculated when it's on TV or
Speaker 1: it's an article, or he stands up for somebody to
Speaker 1: put somebody down there, you know, there's a reason. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't really know if he's like that anymore. I
Speaker 1: have not talked to him in years, but yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think I people can't even decide if they love
Speaker 1: him because they don't. They don't know, And it's it's
Speaker 1: I know, it's like that for a lot of us.
Speaker 1: You can only see what we put on social media,
Speaker 1: but it's a mask, so who knows. That's that's what
Speaker 1: I took. That's what I said to Kaylin every time
Speaker 1: she says that, And I mean, I don't have enough
Speaker 1: in said, I guess, but he said some mean things
Speaker 1: about me and to me and stuff, So I'm sati
Speaker 1: but no, I mean, it's nothing compared to what has
Speaker 1: happened with you. Um it's so funny to think too,
Speaker 1: how like that chapter is just closed now, right because
Speaker 1: I was like five years ago and we're talking about
Speaker 1: it now, which, um, you know, we don't mean to
Speaker 1: bring up old, old past scars or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but it's so interesting how that it was so long ago,
Speaker 1: you know, I know, and do you know why? Actually
Speaker 1: I think this was a good time because I think
Speaker 1: before I would have um either not said that much,
Speaker 1: probably the most open I've been about it maybe ever,
Speaker 1: I think I would have either not said much, been
Speaker 1: like too emotional about it, or this is what I've
Speaker 1: been going there for a while is actually not having
Speaker 1: much of the memory of of anything because just like
Speaker 1: as a trauma response, I just I just deleted everything
Speaker 1: from my mind. But a little not long ago, I
Speaker 1: went to Texas for three days. I did this intensive
Speaker 1: therapy and not just for that, but that was a
Speaker 1: big part of it and opened up a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff and I let myself feel things that I had
Speaker 1: always been holding in because I like the type of
Speaker 1: person that I guess I guess I feel like I
Speaker 1: don't want people to pity me and I and I
Speaker 1: don't want to be weak and like emotional, even though
Speaker 1: I know that you know they say strong, I know
Speaker 1: it is, but I just couldn't. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: held so much in and I had a really bad
Speaker 1: memory because of being hurt like a lot, even from
Speaker 1: since when I was younger and not ever telling anybody
Speaker 1: or working through it. So I did that me, I
Speaker 1: did E M, D R. And UM have you have
Speaker 1: you tried that or heard of it? It's it's amazing.
Speaker 1: So I would recommend it for anybody because we all
Speaker 1: are traumatized in some way. You you just can't help it. Um.
Speaker 1: I had these buzzers in both my hands and it
Speaker 1: sets off both sides of your brain. You have to
Speaker 1: close your eyes, You get very relaxed, and your mind
Speaker 1: will take you and not controlling it. Your mind will
Speaker 1: take you where you kind of need to go to
Speaker 1: like work things out, and it becomes a very symbolic
Speaker 1: and it's it was like a story, and I'm telling
Speaker 1: you I was. I was going into very very dark
Speaker 1: places looking at it from a very different perspective, much
Speaker 1: more rational, seeing it's not because now I can look
Speaker 1: at it and see it wasn't the end of the world.
Speaker 1: It wasn't the biggest thing ever, but it was a
Speaker 1: big thing in my world. And I was quite literally
Speaker 1: closing books. It's I couldn't even explain it. All I was,
Speaker 1: what was it, twenty one hours of therapy. It's insane. Um.
Speaker 1: But now when I think back to some of the
Speaker 1: things that we worked through. My last memory is my
Speaker 1: last memory in that therapy session, which was very positive,
Speaker 1: which was me having control, me seeing like myself like
Speaker 1: put out to the world as as I really am,
Speaker 1: which is all that really matters, because how you feel
Speaker 1: and how you see it's all in your head. It's
Speaker 1: all just a perspective because of your experience. So like
Speaker 1: what's important is what's in your mind and how you're
Speaker 1: talking to yourself and how you feel about yourself. And
Speaker 1: so it took me obviously years to get to that point,
Speaker 1: but now my memories aren't either gone or terrible. Now
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I can see it. I can see
Speaker 1: just rashly like what happened and think through it. And now, um,
Speaker 1: I don't think it was as huge or terrible as
Speaker 1: I thought it was. It is terrible, but it's like
Speaker 1: I think, things happen every day, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: new scandal, a new article, a new person getting canceled
Speaker 1: every day. Well, it's it's even trickier for you in
Speaker 1: your situation because while it was happening to you in
Speaker 1: real life, you were, like you said, you were told
Speaker 1: not to talk about it so like you're associating these
Speaker 1: memories with like having to kind of keep quiet about it.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine like the mental torture that that
Speaker 1: must have been, not only in the moment, but then
Speaker 1: like you're saying now, like we're calling it years later.
Speaker 1: It makes it more challenging because you weren't able to
Speaker 1: explore outwardly so much about it, right, m Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was too big for me at the time, and I would,
Speaker 1: like I said, I was still like naive. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm still learning things now. I just feel a lot
Speaker 1: more like mature and I could deal with it now
Speaker 1: if it happened to me now I could. And also
Speaker 1: but also I have this person because that's like nothing
Speaker 1: worse can happen, Like because for a while, I'm always
Speaker 1: like looking over my shoulder, like if somebody recording me, like,
Speaker 1: am I gonna say something or slip up or do
Speaker 1: something that's gonna be seen as wrong and then these
Speaker 1: articles are gonna come out and I'm gonna get hurt
Speaker 1: all over again. But now I'm like, not much worse
Speaker 1: can happen than that, because that was one of my
Speaker 1: biggest that was a fear and like something that I
Speaker 1: think probably hurt me more than any other issue that
Speaker 1: could have been made up about me UM. And I
Speaker 1: think it also hurts that like a lot of people
Speaker 1: knew that, like like the producers, Jordan's just the show
Speaker 1: in general. They knew my story because you have to
Speaker 1: tell them when you go on the show your They
Speaker 1: want to know all your vulnerability, as your insecurities, what
Speaker 1: you're scared of, because that's how you're manipulated. And and
Speaker 1: again I get it, it's to show it's how it works.
Speaker 1: So they all know this. And then and I think
Speaker 1: they actually used that to have Jordan maybe telling me
Speaker 1: certain things to make me fall right, because they know
Speaker 1: what what would make me feel secure and loved UM
Speaker 1: and they and they do know what would hurt and
Speaker 1: I think they reached out to them, was like, I
Speaker 1: have all this information to prove to you that it's
Speaker 1: not true, even I know some people who are involved
Speaker 1: in doing it. Is there anything you can do, like
Speaker 1: to help me? And you know, they said there's not.
Speaker 1: In fact, I think it was each time I spoke
Speaker 1: out of contract UM and then they had their psychologists
Speaker 1: call me and try to get me to admit that
Speaker 1: I did it. And so it was just that was
Speaker 1: hurtful too. Not that I think they owed me much,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. It was pretty messed up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Jared will disagree with this. But one thing
Speaker 1: that I've always said, well, one thing that I found
Speaker 1: out later on, I guess because I did four four seasons.
Speaker 1: Maybe by the fourth season, what I realized was that
Speaker 1: the people making the show aren't your friends. They're there
Speaker 1: to make a television show and a lot of contests
Speaker 1: and get sucked into the trap of thinking that they're
Speaker 1: they're friends with their best interests at heart, which some
Speaker 1: of them. Sure, I know, I do think there are some,
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, and same with me. It's like they're
Speaker 1: there for and they're working, you know, like no, I'm
Speaker 1: not like ragging on them at all. They're working, like
Speaker 1: stir job, Yeah exactly. It just it stinks when you're
Speaker 1: kind of like the butt of the joke in a
Speaker 1: few ways of the word. But um, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I feel for you. It's great to see you come
Speaker 1: out the other side stronger and happier. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: like like Jared and I were saying, we haven't met
Speaker 1: you before this, but it's hard to imagine you being
Speaker 1: happier than you are now because you seem like you're
Speaker 1: on cloud nine with the kind of how everything is
Speaker 1: panned out, and you know what, and that's even with
Speaker 1: the this past year has been so hard, Like I
Speaker 1: got really sick, like all kinds of issues going on.
Speaker 1: I got like my breast and plants removed because I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure they were making me sick. I stopped doing anything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was terrible. I didn't even know that was a thing.
Speaker 1: And there's a whole, warm, whole community of women that
Speaker 1: were just destroyed by that. There was. But I'm not
Speaker 1: Claire Claire, Claire Crawley. She came out actually her doctor
Speaker 1: did mine, like did my surgery. Um, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 1: crazy that of course nobody wants to talk about it.
Speaker 1: It's like a billion dollar industry, but the same or
Speaker 1: maybe truly, I don't even know it's the same. I'm
Speaker 1: not doing like filler botox any of that because I
Speaker 1: figured out that like foreign things going to my body
Speaker 1: were just not not doing good things. And so this
Speaker 1: past year has been me just physically healing too from
Speaker 1: all of that. But I think also getting over that.
Speaker 1: I'm finally just like I feel, you know, I'm really
Speaker 1: actually I'm ready to have another baby. I'm like, let's
Speaker 1: just grow the family. I'm like so like happy and
Speaker 1: got off my anxiety mids and like much more like holistic,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's really good. I do think there's a
Speaker 1: movement towards that too, Like for whatever reason, and like
Speaker 1: the two thousands twousands ten, there was a lot of
Speaker 1: like emphasis and a spotlight on like modifications of like
Speaker 1: lip fillers and implants and those types of things. Even Kaylin,
Speaker 1: you know, she's been pageants her whole life, so she's
Speaker 1: she's been into that for a long time. But just
Speaker 1: last year she got like her lip fillers dissolved, and
Speaker 1: she's taking a much more holistic approach to her like
Speaker 1: beauty and appearance and health and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I think that's a good thing. I think if
Speaker 1: we're moving towards that, it's good. Yeah. I did too,
Speaker 1: I feel, And also I think it's very good for
Speaker 1: us mentally because we're us now. You know. I felt
Speaker 1: the exact same why when I came off the show,
Speaker 1: was like all these people are looking at me, and
Speaker 1: I would have injector say oh a little bit here
Speaker 1: a little bit there, and I'm like, okay, yeah, make it,
Speaker 1: you know, if it wanted to look good, like more
Speaker 1: symmetrical and pictures and videos. But now I'm like to
Speaker 1: be happy, like just being me. I'm like, oh hey,
Speaker 1: this this is great. I'm not like blaching my hair
Speaker 1: like I was. The pictures of me when I was
Speaker 1: on the show and off the show were wild, like
Speaker 1: I had eyebrows up to here, huge lips like super
Speaker 1: white Keith bleached hair. I was like supertan, I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, I'm a monster. But one no, actually
Speaker 1: like and I do think that women look pretty with
Speaker 1: and without too, Like there's nothing wrong with it. It's
Speaker 1: just we start to look the same and then move
Speaker 1: naturally with it. So I would love to see us.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say us with including myself, because I've done
Speaker 1: all of it, like just accepting ourselves. Yeah, Kyle and
Speaker 1: I we have a we have an ongoing dialogue about
Speaker 1: that too, because I don't really care much about my appearance.
Speaker 1: I used to quite a bit similar to you, but nowadays,
Speaker 1: like if I take a picture and I look really
Speaker 1: weird in it, and but Kylen looks really good and
Speaker 1: She's like, can I post this? You you know, like,
Speaker 1: are you okay with me posting this? And I was like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's how I look, so I can't.
Speaker 1: That's just how I look. So it is what it is, um,
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people are kind of
Speaker 1: coming around to that way of thinking too, because it's
Speaker 1: just like, it is what it is, you know, and
Speaker 1: like people, well, you know you think people would bully
Speaker 1: you for your appearance. I don't really think that as
Speaker 1: prevalent as it used to be, because it's just like
Speaker 1: that's just how we look and that's just who we are.
Speaker 1: So it's like, how could you say anything negative about it?
Speaker 1: You know? I know, and I feel the same I've
Speaker 1: said so many times, like I literally think everybody is
Speaker 1: beautiful in how different they are, like and I'm not
Speaker 1: just saying that that is the fact that they're different,
Speaker 1: the fact that something small or big or up or
Speaker 1: down or what it's like, that actually is what's beautiful
Speaker 1: about being the human. And so like I I wish
Speaker 1: we weren't changing all the time, but do you know
Speaker 1: what the media is, what controls what's popular, what's important,
Speaker 1: what we should do and what and how can we
Speaker 1: get away from that? Because we're scrolling on every day.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's my job, So I'm like, of
Speaker 1: course I'm on here, but yeah, I'm I am concerned
Speaker 1: about with the younger generation and hopefully it does move
Speaker 1: towards you know, natural it is in I would love
Speaker 1: for them to do that, but that doesn't make money
Speaker 1: for some people, so I don't know who that will happen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you two have a whole new arena to deal with
Speaker 1: with your children and having to help them navigate through
Speaker 1: the whole system too. It's like it was stuffing for us,
Speaker 1: and I can only imagine it's gonna be so much
Speaker 1: harder for the next generation to come up. You know,
Speaker 1: m I really feel free to let me know if
Speaker 1: he has to have any advice. Do not know what
Speaker 1: to do? Like Pressly has an account. I made it
Speaker 1: when she was born. Don't ever want to give it
Speaker 1: to her. Maybe I'll wait until she's eighteen or something.
Speaker 1: And I do have photos of her on there because
Speaker 1: I go back and forth. You either do it or
Speaker 1: you don't, Like you don't have to do like ads
Speaker 1: and stuff. But it's like you're either going to show
Speaker 1: your child's face or like who they are, or you
Speaker 1: just totally have to spend forever trying to hide them.
Speaker 1: And I also I love that I have this basically
Speaker 1: video diary of her life online like for her. She
Speaker 1: loves it, she loves watching videos of herself. But when
Speaker 1: she gets older, I don't know what to do. Maybe
Speaker 1: we change a lot by then. Honestly, maybe we'll all
Speaker 1: be like holograms and it'll be like you know that
Speaker 1: creepy like metaverse every we won't have Instagram anymore. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Probably definitely evolving, so we'll see. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean soon we're never going to leave the house. I
Speaker 1: was just talking to my buddy about building a golf
Speaker 1: simulator and you can play golf with your friend in
Speaker 1: another state. At of course that's like hundreds of miles away.
Speaker 1: I assume we never got to leave our house with
Speaker 1: all the delivery services and stuff, so I do think
Speaker 1: we're transitioning more towards that. Um. Well, Jenna, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. We appreciate your candidness and
Speaker 1: your candy. I don't even know it all. I said
Speaker 1: that was just a lot, so you completely knocked it
Speaker 1: out of the park. So we're really grateful to have
Speaker 1: you on. We're just gonna take one quick commercial break,
Speaker 1: but we'll be right back with our callers. First up,
Speaker 1: we have Corey calling in. Corey, are you there? Yes, Hey,
Speaker 1: are good? Thank you good good? What's going on in
Speaker 1: your life? How can we help you? Um? Well, I
Speaker 1: liked a girl's photo on Instagram and my girlfriend got
Speaker 1: really piste off of me. Mm hmm, well pretty straight
Speaker 1: to the point on that, straight for work. So what like, um, okay, so,
Speaker 1: like a few months ago, a friend of mine instagram photos.
Speaker 1: She was in a bikini. Um, but it was it
Speaker 1: was like a friend, but I understand why my girlfriend
Speaker 1: might get pissed. So she had me like, real any
Speaker 1: photos of girls like like I was friends with? Yeah,
Speaker 1: well so so Jared. Jared and I have a similar
Speaker 1: stance on this when it comes to like scrolling through Instagram.
Speaker 1: We agree that there's really no practical value to ever
Speaker 1: like a girl's picture that's not the girl you're dating,
Speaker 1: unless it's like, you know, us whatever. Especially bikini photos.
Speaker 1: I think is maybe the emphasis here, like there's no
Speaker 1: self serving purpose for a guy to do that, So
Speaker 1: I could see why the girlfriend was maybe upset. But
Speaker 1: I think in my opinion, in my experience, there's no
Speaker 1: no double tap thing ever when it comes to a girl,
Speaker 1: especially in a bikini, because all it's gonna do is
Speaker 1: lead you to trouble and it's not going to do
Speaker 1: anything positive for you at all, like zero zero positive
Speaker 1: potential negative, So stay away from it. Even if it
Speaker 1: was like a girl I went to high school. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, this is so interesting because this
Speaker 1: has happened with me before, and I want to say
Speaker 1: that I actually I understand your point of view because
Speaker 1: it's been like explained to me. Um, they'll say, it's
Speaker 1: not a big deal. We've been friends since we were five, Like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You know. It looked like a fun vacation.
Speaker 1: I liked it. And the thing is is like sometimes
Speaker 1: I don't think it always it always has a negative
Speaker 1: meeting behind it. However, I think the most important thing
Speaker 1: is like how it looks from the outside, in the
Speaker 1: way that I explained it, Like my husband is, I'm like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: it's not everybody's job, but it's it's my job on here.
Speaker 1: So imagine just imagine me going into your workspace. It's public, public,
Speaker 1: like everybody's in there working and I see this man
Speaker 1: in there, and you know what, he's got these like
Speaker 1: kind of tight work pants on. I just kind of
Speaker 1: double tap his button, like I kind of like that,
Speaker 1: like not and like you know, and like I wouldn't cheat,
Speaker 1: Like it's I'm just saying, and like hopefully he likes
Speaker 1: that I like it. Imagine he's thinking, oh no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, And I know it's not the same, but
Speaker 1: to just imagine, like it's just everybody can see what
Speaker 1: you're liking, and nobody wants to be like, yeah, my
Speaker 1: guy is like and that even if you're just at
Speaker 1: a restaurant, he's looking around because you know what it happens,
Speaker 1: nobody wants to be the girl that's sitting there while
Speaker 1: he's looking around and liking other things. And so I
Speaker 1: think it's more just the way that it looks. And
Speaker 1: then I think sometimes we wonder, well, what was the
Speaker 1: reason behind that. Did you just need some attention, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe from a felon, did you want her to be
Speaker 1: happy that you let that pose? And if it was
Speaker 1: just a total honestly, I like you, like, I think
Speaker 1: you can like it without clicking, like and if you
Speaker 1: miss that maybe it's been a while, you can say,
Speaker 1: I don't know how the messaging goes in your relationship,
Speaker 1: but you know, I hope you're doing well to you that.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, maybe not on a bikini picture,
Speaker 1: but I don't think everybody should every female should be
Speaker 1: cut out. Definitely not, But it's just I think it
Speaker 1: just matters, like how it looks, and so you just
Speaker 1: want to keep you want to keep your woman feeling
Speaker 1: like secure and happy and everybody knows you know, she's
Speaker 1: your one, and so it is a hard thing to
Speaker 1: navigate though. I was told once by a boyfriend who
Speaker 1: got very very mad at me for liking a boy Soto,
Speaker 1: which is, you know, total opposite, and he said, um,
Speaker 1: there is always oh my gosh, I can't remember some
Speaker 1: bad conversation, but there's always a reason behind why you
Speaker 1: did that. You expected something to come from that. And
Speaker 1: he called it signaling, That's what he called it. And
Speaker 1: he was so mad, and so I was like, Okay, well, sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't know, like I didn't have these bad intentions,
Speaker 1: and I don't think everybody does. But that is that
Speaker 1: is hard. But I think the most important thing is
Speaker 1: to keep her happy. Because you know, that's that's your person,
Speaker 1: that's who you love. You want her happy, you want
Speaker 1: your relationship to be good. So is it worth it
Speaker 1: to let your friend know that you liked her bikini
Speaker 1: picture or her even just to keep picture, um, rather
Speaker 1: than just avoiding clicking life? That was a long It's no,
Speaker 1: that was great. That was really good. I think it's
Speaker 1: the first step in a very small one at that,
Speaker 1: but a very small step in making a potentially bad decision.
Speaker 1: And I think that's kind of what like, there's no
Speaker 1: need to open up that potential can of worms, so
Speaker 1: just don't double click. That's so. So it sounds like
Speaker 1: Jenner are kind of an agreement on that, um, but
Speaker 1: hopefully there's any like compromise. Corey like, you know, well, um,
Speaker 1: she told me she thought it was emotionally like cheating,
Speaker 1: but I was just being supportive of a friend. So
Speaker 1: I just I just like David thumbs up, just to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, body positivity kind of thing. That
Speaker 1: I didn't mean. I wasn't doing it to be like
Speaker 1: get my girlfriend or anything. It was just yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: like high school friend of mine is like working out,
Speaker 1: working out, and she looked great, So I was just
Speaker 1: being supportive as a friend. But I could definitely see
Speaker 1: why my girlfriend would get mad because it she was
Speaker 1: like a dude and like a you know, six packet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like nice nice abs. Yeah, I could definitely see it.
Speaker 1: But I was just trying to be supportive. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think, you know what, I think the most important
Speaker 1: thing is to make sure you try to get that
Speaker 1: across to her, like it sounds like it sounds like
Speaker 1: you are at least at least you are exploiting yourself,
Speaker 1: and you know it sounds like you you want her
Speaker 1: to be happy, so I think it'll be okay. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just one of those things, like things that just
Speaker 1: probably avoid because it's never worked. Like yeah, but but
Speaker 1: best of luck, Corey. Thanks for calling and we appreciate it.
Speaker 1: We hope you get figured out. Yep, thank you for
Speaker 1: taking time to talk to me. Yeah, of course, thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you. By um no, that was good. I think
Speaker 1: the long wounded answers are very helpful. I know I talk,
Speaker 1: I know I talked so much. I was like, this question,
Speaker 1: make me you know what, I will say, Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people don't want to talk about it, but
Speaker 1: it is a big thing in relationships because it's so
Speaker 1: huge and it's so public, and it's kind of sometimes
Speaker 1: you're like, well, what what was the point of that? Really?
Speaker 1: I mean of the like especially right, But it's it's
Speaker 1: your same point too. I sometimes I'm talking and I
Speaker 1: like I'm starting, like after going on for a while,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I've been talking for like five minutes, and
Speaker 1: I have no idea what I just did. I just
Speaker 1: want to say I have like, I just have a
Speaker 1: two year old like home, and everybody's gone all day.
Speaker 1: So when an adult is around, conversation, all right, So
Speaker 1: next up, Next up, we have Todd calling us Todd,
Speaker 1: are you there? Yeah, I'm here, Hey, how are you?
Speaker 1: And what's going on today? How can we help you? Hey? Um?
Speaker 1: So I have a little dilemma. Um, I've just seed
Speaker 1: some help. So I've been with my girlfriend for about
Speaker 1: a year and a half and I know that she's
Speaker 1: had a relationship with a man in the past, but
Speaker 1: she doesn't know that I know. No. Yeah. Um so
Speaker 1: we got on the topic of like very people cheating,
Speaker 1: and you know, I asked her if she had ever
Speaker 1: been the side chick, and she said no, but I
Speaker 1: know that she's been that, but um moving forward, you know,
Speaker 1: like we just we have been together for quite a time.
Speaker 1: You know, we both have kids from previous relationships and
Speaker 1: they've been you know, become we become a family. And
Speaker 1: I just don't I don't know what to feel right
Speaker 1: now because she's lying about something that she did in
Speaker 1: the past and she doesn't think it's okay. But I
Speaker 1: know that she did that, So I just I don't
Speaker 1: want that happened to me in the future. So what
Speaker 1: do you think, right? So, she so you're worried because
Speaker 1: she kind of flat out lied to you and you
Speaker 1: know the truth. Yeah, yeah, that's tough. Well, Jared, what
Speaker 1: do you think? Well? Hello, sorry, I had some technical issues.
Speaker 1: I got booted off the internet there. But with this,
Speaker 1: I mean, are you a hundred percent sure that she's
Speaker 1: not telling the truth, because what if you're mistaken? I
Speaker 1: mean I know from her best friend. I mean I
Speaker 1: don't know why her best friend would have told me that.
Speaker 1: You know, this is like when we first met that
Speaker 1: she said that you know, she's been with that guy.
Speaker 1: You know, that's why she's a lot of I know, well,
Speaker 1: you know it was she was just saying that she
Speaker 1: had been with a married man before, and I just
Speaker 1: kind of blew it off because I you know, I
Speaker 1: do love her. I really liked her at the moment,
Speaker 1: and we became really close and became a family. But
Speaker 1: when we brought we got into the conversation about married
Speaker 1: people and cheating and stuff. She just said, you know, no,
Speaker 1: I think it's stupid. I think it's messed up, and
Speaker 1: I maybe I need to have a conversation with her
Speaker 1: friends see if it's actually true. I would have a
Speaker 1: conversation with her and just say, listen, this is what
Speaker 1: I heard, Like how true is It's just I mean,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to throw the best friend under the
Speaker 1: bus a little bit. I know that sucks, but if
Speaker 1: it's bothering you this much, you're gonna just have to
Speaker 1: talk to her about it and be like, hey, listen,
Speaker 1: I know this is gonna sound stupid, but this is
Speaker 1: what I heard a long time ago. And then you
Speaker 1: said you've never been but I just want to kind
Speaker 1: of like, you know, just know what happened. That's all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good advice. Let it for sure. Can I say
Speaker 1: to you? Can I say to you just little things
Speaker 1: might are really quick. I would say one thing is
Speaker 1: in her in her defense, just because we don't even
Speaker 1: know the whole story. Um, maybe she didn't know initially
Speaker 1: or something. Maybe maybe because Mary men can be can
Speaker 1: do that can be very charming and not admit that
Speaker 1: they're married. And then um too, maybe in her mind,
Speaker 1: her perspective, she wasn't a side because it was just
Speaker 1: this guy she met and then maybe she found out
Speaker 1: and that's where they broke up. But who knows the
Speaker 1: other side of it? As you asking her about that
Speaker 1: and knowing what you know, it's a little bit also
Speaker 1: dishonest on your side, like not not saying you know that.
Speaker 1: So I think maybe there's a little bit of dishonesty
Speaker 1: from both of you and maybe just like coming clean,
Speaker 1: like talking through it, Like I think it could be
Speaker 1: so good in like kind of healing for you to
Speaker 1: like just just talk through it instead of holding onto
Speaker 1: it this whole time. Because I bet there is I
Speaker 1: bet there's a lot more that maybe maybe you don't
Speaker 1: know and maybe it was just a perspective thing. And also, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't get why her friend would would well. And
Speaker 1: I'd like to say that I wear my heart of
Speaker 1: my sleeve, you know. It just when it came up
Speaker 1: in conversation, she said, you know, she said, she's never
Speaker 1: done that, but I think I know, so I apparent
Speaker 1: you need to have a little hard to heart. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough, but that's the us. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good point that Jenna made. Is uh,
Speaker 1: it does kind of stuck to hear because you feel
Speaker 1: like you're the one being slighted. But she's right because
Speaker 1: if you kind of withheld that information that you might
Speaker 1: know something that is kind of a lie by a
Speaker 1: mission on your part. And I would say it's maybe
Speaker 1: like a lesser of a lie if if that is
Speaker 1: the truth, but it is still a bit of dishonesty.
Speaker 1: So so yeah, I would agree with everyone. I would
Speaker 1: say the best thing you can do is have a
Speaker 1: conversation with her about it and just like approach it
Speaker 1: gently and don't speak in like definitive terms or no
Speaker 1: matter of fact. We just kind of like be more
Speaker 1: inquisitive and then get the best answer that you can
Speaker 1: out of her and hopefully you know that's what you
Speaker 1: want to hear. Yeah, I think thanks, Okay, also appreciate Yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for calling him. We appreciate it. Best to luck
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, take care alright, thanks to holidays, Lizzie. Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you hello? Hello? How are you? Thank you
Speaker 1: for joining us? How can we help you today? Um? Well,
Speaker 1: my supervisor he sends me text with like kissie emojis
Speaker 1: in it. Um. He also compliments you regularly or like
Speaker 1: makes comments on my looks. Um. Yeah, like for example,
Speaker 1: oh you need to look through your long lashes, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: Then he also touched many two times of one time
Speaker 1: in public and one time in private. Um. But I
Speaker 1: don't know if I'm just like making things up in
Speaker 1: my head or like this is just really inappropriate. Um. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm like his only female trainee like the rest of males,
Speaker 1: So I just think maybe it's he just doesn't know
Speaker 1: how to interact with women in the workplace. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: sounds it sounds inappropriate to me, just based off of
Speaker 1: those two things he said. I I have for some reason,
Speaker 1: it always pops up on my Reddit page, the anti
Speaker 1: work subreddit, and it always talks about how it's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing to have like friendly relationships with your supervisors,
Speaker 1: but a lot of times the leverage they're like positive
Speaker 1: relationship with you to get more work out of you.
Speaker 1: In certain ways. And I'm not saying that's what he's
Speaker 1: doing here. It sounds like he might be like, you know,
Speaker 1: more flirtatious that it needs to be. But that's definitely
Speaker 1: something in my opinion, like if it were happening to me,
Speaker 1: I would want to put a stop to it as
Speaker 1: soon as possible. And it is like a tricky field
Speaker 1: to navigate. Um, but what what Jena, and what do
Speaker 1: you guys think? Well, so I actually had this happen
Speaker 1: like multiple times with different the different bosses, and there
Speaker 1: the problem is, is there really actually not a good
Speaker 1: I don't have the perfect answer for it because it
Speaker 1: also depends like just on the person and how they respond,
Speaker 1: like just what your situation is. So I've had one
Speaker 1: that I just kind of ignored it for a long time,
Speaker 1: is kind of let it go, and it actually became
Speaker 1: kind of, um, kind of like an abusive relationship. If
Speaker 1: I was nice to him, I would get like you'd
Speaker 1: give me like good projects that day and be generally
Speaker 1: like nice. And if I was not, he would give me, um,
Speaker 1: just just awful, awful job and say I have you
Speaker 1: know I have the power to fire you, and he
Speaker 1: would start making me warm up his food and he
Speaker 1: would start touching me and he would be like, you
Speaker 1: need to stay after work and do It was kind
Speaker 1: of it was like in a gym atmosphere, so you
Speaker 1: could say you need to do my workout as like
Speaker 1: part of the team thing, and he would and too
Speaker 1: close and just do and it was it was bad.
Speaker 1: But do you know what. It took me a long
Speaker 1: time and I finally I finally reported it. A lot
Speaker 1: got fired. So that was not a good it was.
Speaker 1: It was just it was a bad situation and maybe
Speaker 1: it could have been avoided if I would have said
Speaker 1: something more directly to him before. But I was always
Speaker 1: too scared. I needed the job, and I didn't. I
Speaker 1: thought the same thing. I'm like, am I kind of
Speaker 1: like is it not as big of a deal? My
Speaker 1: just creating this, my being dramatic. But I want to say,
Speaker 1: I think the best thing to do would be to
Speaker 1: be very directed, like not me, but like standing up
Speaker 1: for yourself and to literally I mean, I think for
Speaker 1: like a man, you have to say it in play
Speaker 1: in terms that's not that's not really appropriate. I want
Speaker 1: to make sure we're keeping our relationship just purely like professional,
Speaker 1: like where you probably shouldn't touch me. I appreciate that
Speaker 1: you've said some nice things. I mean that that's nice,
Speaker 1: but just maybe maybe don't say them to me, Like
Speaker 1: I I don't know. I don't have a good answer
Speaker 1: for it because I've never really had a great outcome
Speaker 1: with it. Um, but I have learned, like years later,
Speaker 1: I should have definitely said no, so have definitely set
Speaker 1: up for myself it wasn't okay, And that you can't
Speaker 1: tell them. It's just you have to find a a
Speaker 1: way like to tell them because if they get like
Speaker 1: offended too easily. I mean, they can just make your
Speaker 1: life stuck at work. It's not fair. It's just how
Speaker 1: it is. So I'm sorry, that's like that's the worst.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry too that that is not a good position
Speaker 1: to be in. Jared, let's hear your perspective, because you
Speaker 1: are a boss, and I'm sure you never told the
Speaker 1: line there, But how would you how would you handle
Speaker 1: a situation like that? I mean, yeah, I would listen
Speaker 1: to Jenna and I would say that you should definitely
Speaker 1: say something. You should just tell them how uncomfortable it's
Speaker 1: making you feel. Or maybe there's an HR department that
Speaker 1: you can report to. Definitely, don't hold it in. Definitely
Speaker 1: say something. It's a Lincoln can continually get worse. Just
Speaker 1: say something, I don't know the tough gender. Do you?
Speaker 1: Are you nervous if they see if this person says something,
Speaker 1: I am, Yes, I am, because I don't, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I don't want you to have to like deal with
Speaker 1: the negative repercussions that I know can come from offending
Speaker 1: a man in power sometimes, and I know that I
Speaker 1: must feel like we need to like practice this year. Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's say, let's just say, Jared, let's just say I'm
Speaker 1: trying to talk to you, Okay, Like like I don't
Speaker 1: this isn't even the same at all, But like how
Speaker 1: would you respond? Like just try to put yourself in
Speaker 1: the position if I were to say, okay, if I
Speaker 1: were to say, and now, would this be would this
Speaker 1: be a do you know what? I would this be
Speaker 1: a text conversation, email conversation or face to face because
Speaker 1: the problem with face to face is it's not recorded.
Speaker 1: That's what they say, right, they say it, they say
Speaker 1: say it, forget it, or yes, say I forget it, right,
Speaker 1: regret it. But it's also a good thing because then
Speaker 1: you have a record it. But I'm just gonna say,
Speaker 1: let's say it was face to face one day, because actually,
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna have to have more than one conversation,
Speaker 1: so let's just say something happened. You just be like, UM,
Speaker 1: I don't think you should you should say those things
Speaker 1: to me. It's just not really really appropriate for work.
Speaker 1: It's not really professional. Um, but thank you, you know,
Speaker 1: um not I mean thank you. Oh gosh. Like I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think of, like do you know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is it's such a sensitive situation and if he
Speaker 1: if he will, if he gets offended easy, it could
Speaker 1: he could blow up. I would say, if you do
Speaker 1: talk face to face, there should be something. There should
Speaker 1: be a witness there. There's gotta be a third part
Speaker 1: of at least maybe an email saying how you feel,
Speaker 1: but like not too in depth. Just I think we
Speaker 1: maybe not even saying anything you did, just like I
Speaker 1: think we should keep our relationship professional. Maybe I'm reading
Speaker 1: into things, Lizzie. Does that help you at all? Do
Speaker 1: you think that that may be cleared something up for you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Because it is very very sensitive subject and I'm just
Speaker 1: now a trainee. So like if I if I continue
Speaker 1: working here, then it's like I don't want it to
Speaker 1: get worse, But I also don't want to be training
Speaker 1: so hard and then get fired because yeah, blow him off,
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't know it's it's so I
Speaker 1: want you to at least know that it's not in
Speaker 1: your head and it's not okay, and it will get worse.
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying terribly worse, but like if you
Speaker 1: if if it's allowed, that's your that's they're perceiving you
Speaker 1: saying it's okay, and they will keep doing it. So
Speaker 1: I do feel like it could come up like if
Speaker 1: he does something, I would almost maybe wait and and
Speaker 1: when something happened just be like, yeah, that's that's unprofessional.
Speaker 1: Just let please don't do that. Almost not a joke,
Speaker 1: but almost like okay, let's just move on. And then
Speaker 1: if he does something in do you remember when I
Speaker 1: told you I don't that that's not okay? But and
Speaker 1: and um, but I would be things he's going to
Speaker 1: have a response and I don't know what that response is,
Speaker 1: but that's gonna affect the next step. I also, I
Speaker 1: agree um with Jennath that definitely should be something that
Speaker 1: you can trace back so if you talk face to face,
Speaker 1: there has to be someone there. Um, I'm because I
Speaker 1: you know, don't record a private conversation. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that opens up the whole can of worms. I
Speaker 1: don't even know. My point is, talk face to face.
Speaker 1: You have a witness there. Like anytime I have to
Speaker 1: talk to an employee and either let them go or
Speaker 1: it's a serious conversation, there's always someone else in the room,
Speaker 1: and then there's a camera in the room as well.
Speaker 1: Or email text to say hey, listen just makes me
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable. Let's just keep let's just have a platonic
Speaker 1: relationship here. Make sure that's an email text, so god
Speaker 1: forbid this person starts making your life a little bit worse.
Speaker 1: You can have a trail of saying, you know, things
Speaker 1: change after I sent this, or things change after I
Speaker 1: had this conversation. So I think they're punished me because
Speaker 1: of this. Okay, Yeah it is really Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: really hard because when it starts small, like oh your eyelashes,
Speaker 1: like how could you you know? That's not like harassing you.
Speaker 1: But this also is not okay, and it will get
Speaker 1: it'll it'll continue. So yeah, you're a lot of say no,
Speaker 1: and you're law to stick up for yourself. Yeah, best
Speaker 1: of luck, hopefully navigate. Thank you, yeah, of course, thank
Speaker 1: you for calling, and we appreciate it, of course. By y'all,
Speaker 1: bye bye. Yeah, all right, well that's gonna do it
Speaker 1: for this week's episode of Help I Suck At Dating. Jenna,
Speaker 1: you have been amazing. Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 1: We really appreciate you. Guys are amazing. Thank you for
Speaker 1: listening to me. I feel like I feel like I've
Speaker 1: actually learned some things and I'm perspectively. Yeah. Usually that
Speaker 1: doesn't happen too much on this podcast. Yeah, usually people
Speaker 1: are dumber after they're listening. Look, that's okay. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I've definitely gotten dumber throughout the years of recording this podcast.
Speaker 1: I can only imagine what the listeners must feel. But
Speaker 1: but yeah, thank you so much. You're a breath of
Speaker 1: fresh air. It seems like you are absolutely killing it,
Speaker 1: and we are so proud and happy of you. Are
Speaker 1: proud of you and happy for you, and we hope
Speaker 1: to have you back on the podcast to co host
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