WEBVTT - Superfriends with Jenna Cooper 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.640 How I Suck At Dating with Denglert and Jared Haven 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:11.000 and I heard radio podcast What's going on Everyone, and 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:14.080 welcome to an all new episode of Help I Suck 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:17.920 at Dating? And as always it is the Suckiest Dater 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.200 of all. Here Dean Unglert, joined by the lovely fellow 0:00:22.200 --> 0:00:24.280 sucky datter, Jared ha Ben. We have a very special 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:28.080 co host with us today, a young lady who doesn't 0:00:28.120 --> 0:00:30.520 suck at dating, but she has she has sucked at 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:34.599 dating in the past. Um, I I don't, I shouldn't. 0:00:34.680 --> 0:00:36.159 I don't know if I should have said that, but 0:00:36.640 --> 0:00:39.839 we have Jenna Cooper here with us today. Jenna, Welcome 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:43.040 to the podcast. Thank you, Thank you. Ed. Yes, I 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.680 have very much sucked at making decisions towards what got 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.680 me into bad dating. That's what I was alluding to. 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:54.040 We've seen some of your bad dating choices, um, nationally 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.080 on television, so that's what I was alluding to. But 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:59.600 now you're married, you are you are married, you have 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:03.120 a kid, so you don't start your dating anymore. No, 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:07.400 you know, it's so great. I had always heard older 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:09.800 people tell me I'm so glad I'm married, I'm so good. 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:11.200 I don't have to date. And I was just like, 0:01:11.360 --> 0:01:13.600 I was like, why, it's fun because I was young 0:01:13.640 --> 0:01:15.080 and it was great. And then I went to a 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.720 string of really really bad, traumatizing dating, and I was like, 0:01:18.920 --> 0:01:21.480 that's why. Now I'm married and I'm happy. I can 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:24.120 wear my sweats that can be totally myself. That's great. 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.520 Oh my gosh. Jared and I talked about it all 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.039 the time on this podcast. How lucky we are to 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:34.280 have convinced our our wives to date us and marry us. 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.560 Because dating, Um, when you're doing it, it's fun. Yeah, 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.080 but once you're in like a long term relationship, especially 0:01:42.160 --> 0:01:44.880 you now you have a kid, especially like I can't 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:47.760 even imagine going back to dating. So we are very 0:01:47.840 --> 0:01:50.600 lucky and honored to have our partners with us. There's 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:53.680 no question about it. Um. But welcome to the podcast. 0:01:53.680 --> 0:01:55.360 We're happy to have you co host with us today. 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:57.920 I was looking back, I think this is the first 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.080 time we've had you co host with us, right, I 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:02.320 think so, yes, And I don't think I've ever met 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:05.000 you in person, so formerly nice to meet you, even 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.200 though it's digitally here. Um. For the listeners out there, 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:11.800 we know Jenna, we know Jenna from I want to say, 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.720 not Colton season are season. We know we know you 0:02:15.760 --> 0:02:17.520 from our season. We know you a little bit better. 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.680 From Bachelor in Paradise season five. I want to say, 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.119 I think it was five. Actually yeah. The only reason 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:26.680 I say that because I was on four and I 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:32.120 was on six and I don't remember you and um 0:02:32.160 --> 0:02:33.800 and Jared, Hello, how are you? I haven't said how 0:02:33.840 --> 0:02:35.960 do you yet? It's quite alright. No, you're killing the 0:02:35.960 --> 0:02:37.800 game right now. I feel like on this podcast there 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:39.440 are times where I take over, and then there are 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.040 times where you take over, and this feels like a 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:43.639 podcast that's gonna take over, which I'm totally fine with 0:02:43.680 --> 0:02:46.960 because I'm feeling off today, just like a lot, like 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.200 I'm not gonna lie this. Henry Cavill's Superman News really 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.360 got me down in the dumps, bro, Like, I am 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.919 pretty depressed about it, and now everything is like piling 0:02:56.960 --> 0:02:59.360 on top of it, and now I'm thinking about like 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:01.520 issues that I have of my personal life with family 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:03.400 or business, and now like I'm just gonna run. You 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:05.800 know how you dis cycle? Can you fill me in? Jenna? 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.960 And because I have no idea what you're talking about? 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:11.160 You guys don't have to know. It's a little bit 0:03:11.240 --> 0:03:14.080 dumbest ever. But Henry Cavill, I don't know if you 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:17.760 guys remember you have Okay. I'm a big superhero Superman fan. 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:20.880 It means a lot to me. Henry cavill has been Superman, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.079 but he there's been a lot of controversy over the 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:24.959 past several years. He made Man of Steel. It was 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.760 a great movie, but then there's been other movies that 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.920 haven't been as good. Some people would argue I would 0:03:30.960 --> 0:03:33.680 argue differently, but he hasn't really gotten a chance to 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.040 have his own Superman movie. He's only made cameos. It's 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:38.760 been really weird. He's a great Superman. He got announced 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.600 a couple of months ago that he's finally coming back 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:44.480 after years, years of speculation and fans wanting him to 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.360 be back as Superman, and everybody was so excited. He 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:50.680 went on a freaking press tour to announce his return 0:03:51.080 --> 0:03:54.000 as Superman easton our Very one producers saw him in 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:57.360 person because he went on Seacrest and Kelly I think 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.800 that's the name of the show. But he went on 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:02.040 and I was like, yep, I'm back a Superman. And 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:04.800 then now there's been like all these different varying reports 0:04:04.840 --> 0:04:07.240 that he might not be as back because d C 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:12.640 hired James Gunn as like CEO of their superhero slate, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.720 and they were saying that James Gunn might change a 0:04:14.760 --> 0:04:17.120 lot of things. And then it finally got announced yesterday 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.960 and a heartbreaking post by Henry Cavill that officially he's 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:23.520 not returning a Superman and it just really just like 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:28.359 made me sad and bitter and angry, and then that's fine, 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:30.919 I'll get over it. But then, of course, like you 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.840 know how like something will set you off and then 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:35.760 immediately be like, you know what else sucks? That sucks, 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:38.720 and then everything just like piles on top. So it's 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:41.480 divulged into my personal life. Now everything's fine between Ashley 0:04:41.480 --> 0:04:43.080 and I. Has nothing to do with Ashley I other 0:04:43.120 --> 0:04:45.200 aspects of it, but anyway, that's where I'm at today. 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.400 Deem continue, Jenna, it's very nice meeting you once again. 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.640 Thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Superman 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:53.840 has nothing to do with dating Jenna. Do you have 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:56.719 any insight on this whole Henry Cavill situation, because I 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:01.080 have got nothing, Nobody, nobody wants it, Nobody wants the 0:05:01.120 --> 0:05:04.719 inside now, and you know what, like just something that 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.000 I've kind of learned over the years is that we 0:05:08.120 --> 0:05:13.480 might never really know like why, And even if they 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:16.080 say why, it's maybe not actually why. There may be 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:19.520 some other weird things going on. So maybe it'll end 0:05:19.560 --> 0:05:21.760 up being for the best. Maybe there's some other big 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.480 movie he said, or I mean, who knows, but he 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:27.720 got fired and see what happens. Even James Gunn came 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.080 out and said that, which is so sad. I will say, 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.239 I know, I was really critical of Man of Steel 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:35.719 last episode. Go back and listen to it. I'm not 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.920 a fan of Man of Steel, and I hey, Jared, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:39.680 I'm sorry, it's okay, but today's not the day of 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.000 my friend. But let me tell you where I'm going 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.640 with this is. My issue with Man of Steel was 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:49.560 not Henry cavill. I think he was fine as an actor. 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.840 I do think he really has the Superman look to him, 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.240 and I really appreciate that he looks like Superman. He 0:05:56.279 --> 0:05:58.800 looks right like he's got the strong jaw, the clean shape, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.240 the nice clothed hair, the muscles. He's he was a superman. 0:06:02.960 --> 0:06:06.080 Um My issues with the movie were not Henry cavill centric. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:10.520 So I'm sorry. I wish you weren't um having a 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:12.520 bad day because of this news, but here we are. 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.640 Hopefully it gets better. Thank you, Jenna. Sometimes I realized, 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:18.880 trust me, I care about things that it should not 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:21.560 matter way too much. But you know, I guess that's 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:26.040 what life is all about, right, You're passionate. Yeah, yeah, 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.880 that's more than I can say. I go, I just 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:30.200 moved through life not caring about anything. You're in a 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:33.760 way better situation than night, Jenna. I'm in the middle. 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:39.599 I choose, Jenna, give us a life update because it's 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:41.480 been a long time since we've seen you on our TVs. 0:06:41.680 --> 0:06:43.800 Of course, we can follow you on social media and stuff, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.040 and we see all of the big news that you're 0:06:46.080 --> 0:06:49.039 going through and all of these incredible life experiences that 0:06:49.080 --> 0:06:52.160 you're having. Give us like an elevator pitch of kind 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:53.560 of what you've been up to since last time we 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:57.159 saw you on TV. Oh my, okay, so let's see 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.200 on TV everything was great and fun. Actually was a 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:04.400 pretty pretty good experience. Then everything kind of that happened 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:09.040 after was you know, a big lie, blown up and exaggerated, 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:13.320 and I kind of went to hiding. He would say, 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.080 like I knew it wasn't true, but it was just 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.000 hard to walk in public like with my head up, 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.800 knowing that everybody thinks I'm, like, I didn't know, like 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:26.200 a cheater, a sugar baby, whatever they were, whatever they 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:30.440 were saying. I was, um, yeah, let's get some context 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:34.240 to that, because I remember that that was the craziest thing. 0:07:35.000 --> 0:07:38.240 And I was not even really following it that closely, 0:07:38.360 --> 0:07:43.160 but I remember when um, it pretty much came out 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:48.720 that everything. So it's like hard, it's hard to explain, 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:52.440 it's hard to understand it. That's the problem is it 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:54.800 makes no sense and it came from nothing. If something 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:58.960 would have happened, you know, I could have the best 0:07:59.000 --> 0:08:01.040 thing for me to do would have, you know, complain 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:02.680 and said, Okay, I'm sorry for this. This is what 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.880 the real situation was, what it went over. The problem 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:09.080 is it was totally made up. So the producers called 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:14.280 me when you know, they it gets announced by reality 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.920 see that I am trying to even remember. I think 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:20.000 that I was I was cheating on Jordan's with like 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.000 a sugar daddy, I guess. And then these fake text 0:08:23.080 --> 0:08:26.400 came out, which by the way, we're very terribly made, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.760 like they could have made them more believable. And the 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.239 producers called me and just say like, is this true? 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:34.200 And I was like laughing because they're reading me these 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:36.760 texts in the article and I'm like, no, like, nobody's 0:08:36.800 --> 0:08:39.120 gonna believe that that's app but none of that's true. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.560 But then, um, a lot of people did believe it. 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:46.160 And I think the worst thing was Jordan was like, yeah, 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.120 it's true, like she admitted it. I don't know why 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.160 he did that. I was a very confused. So I 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:58.000 basically just kind of like to say anything because, um, 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.880 I was getting like these emails saying, you're under contract, 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.040 you're not allowed to say anything. I'm sorry if you 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.000 want to stand up for yourself, but don't say anything. 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.000 And I would say, well, how come, how come Jordan 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.280 can do these interviews? Like what can I just say 0:09:09.320 --> 0:09:12.960 a few things, just say it's not true. I want 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.560 my privacy. It was really weird, and I so I 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:17.480 had like some lawyers and they said the same thing. 0:09:17.520 --> 0:09:19.600 They said, if you want to have like a case 0:09:19.640 --> 0:09:22.240 with this, which you have, don't say anything. So I 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.560 was just quiet and if I ever made a post. 0:09:24.679 --> 0:09:28.520 It was just weird. Picture. I could barely say anything 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:31.280 and it just didn't make sense. So like I understand 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.920 why everybody was like, well, it's probably true because I 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:39.640 had such a weird quiet reaction. So like now, like 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:42.000 years later, I would respond so much differently. I would 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.320 tell him everything going on behind the scenes, like things 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.200 that lies that were told to me, like what the 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.679 truth was. But um, I didn't know how to handle it, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:52.720 very naive. I think that's why they chose me initially 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:54.480 to go on the show, because I had never been 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:57.040 on a plane, I didn't understand the entertainment industry, and 0:09:57.080 --> 0:09:59.319 I was just kind of like a plant for comedic 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.160 relief that they and mold into anything. And that's what happened. 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.480 And I was okay with that because I understand that 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.040 when you go on to Bachelor, you're given to edit 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:09.800 you you have to just stick with it and just 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.360 and and that sign it. Um. But everything that happened 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.160 after that that affected my real life was awful. And 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:20.320 there were local newspapers, you know, printing the story. It was. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.880 It was everywhere. So I was like, okay, I can't date, 0:10:24.120 --> 0:10:26.880 and I was just totally alone. I kind of became 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:28.200 like a order. I was like I don't want to 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.200 take my trash. I was literally just depressed. It was 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:31.800 bad and I didn't know how to deal with it. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:35.160 I didn't have tons of support outside of like my family, 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.680 like a few friends, and I understand the bachelor world. 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.680 Really that's it. You don't want to get into it, 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:43.840 right because if you come out and say maybe it's 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.400 not true, you might get attacked because that's how the 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.440 internet works. You get one side and everybody has to 0:10:49.559 --> 0:10:53.160 pile on. And everybody was like, oh, poor Jordan, and 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:56.480 she she looks crazy, right, So I felt like I 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:59.640 became the person that they blamed for anybody who has 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:01.880 ever them, were cheated on them, or maybe their parents 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:03.640 got divorced or something. They all it's like they took 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:05.520 it out on me. And I can read these messages 0:11:06.160 --> 0:11:08.720 and and feel how hurt people are and they just 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:10.280 want to take it out. And I guess I just 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:15.880 became that person. Um and it brought me down. I 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.120 felt like a huge weight for a long time. But 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.640 now I know it sounds like cliche, but now I 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:23.600 feel so much stronger and so much smarter because of it, 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:29.600 And weirdly, I'm actually glad it happened. Because of the 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:34.920 big shift in just like the dynamic on Reddit, them 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.040 not decided to just trash people right away, the fact 0:11:37.080 --> 0:11:39.640 that reality seems if I'm gonna bet my sources better. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:42.280 I just feel like there was a change that at 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:47.640 least was something good came out of it, and um, 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.520 like a lot of people reached out and apologized later, 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.840 and I feel like I developed friendships and met a 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.360 lot of cool people and had experiences that like I'm 0:11:56.480 --> 0:11:59.480 so thankful for because like such as a meeting Carl, 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.680 having pres slate and and that's kind of where I 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:06.600 was getting at with go on TV. It's fun and great. 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:10.600 Terrible thing happens, but now I'm happy and I feel 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.240 like I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. Yeah, it's definitely. 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:16.600 It's definitely tough when you have everything that you want 0:12:16.640 --> 0:12:19.040 now right You've got your husband, your kid, and it's 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.880 hard to look back and regret anything because all those 0:12:20.880 --> 0:12:22.600 things in a weird way led you to where you are, 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.200 which is great. Um, I don't want to I'm not 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:27.840 trying to minimize your situation at all. Have you guys 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:31.000 ever played the game the Village before? Where are you 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.800 going with this? So? There's this game that we played 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.120 in Pakistan every night. It's called the village. If if 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.079 you have like ten people, there's two wolves and then 0:12:39.080 --> 0:12:41.720 a bunch of villagers, and every night the wolf, like 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:43.280 you know, you close your eyes, you go to bed, 0:12:43.640 --> 0:12:45.920 and the wolves kill one villager and then you wake 0:12:46.000 --> 0:12:48.720 up in the morning and you're supposed to guess who 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:51.240 the wolf is and you want to vote them out 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.120 of the village essentially. And when you play that game, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.160 if you're a villager and you're like one of the 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:00.360 good guys, but you're being accused of being a wolf, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.920 and you know in your heart, you're like, I am 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.280 telling the truth and none of you are believing me. 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:10.160 There's no worse feeling than knowing what you're saying is true, 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:12.880 but having a group of people believe that you're lying. 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.200 And I can't imagine that's what I'm saying. I can't 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:18.840 imagine how helpless you must have felt, because it's one 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.120 of the like in such a trivial, non meaningful game, 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:24.800 it's such a bad feeling. But this this wasn't just 0:13:24.880 --> 0:13:26.079 a game. You know, this is your life. So I 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:28.600 can only imagine what But that's a good no. But 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.239 that's a good way to describe it, and like imagine, 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.720 because you know, the best way is to try to 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.640 understand the situation is to try to put yourself in 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:37.640 somebody else's shoes. And I know a lot of people 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:39.400 in the show have gone through a lot of drama 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:42.120 because I've made up things too, and it's just awful. 0:13:42.160 --> 0:13:46.280 So I just try to say, like, imagine, if this 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.440 comes out about you, let's take it to a lower scale. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.520 It's because you know a lot of normal people who 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.960 will come on here like and bully people they say 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:57.000 are like celebrities, which I don't consider myself from very 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.200 much normal. Like to them, they were like, oh, I 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:01.880 can say anything to me, and I want to to her. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.679 But I'm like, okay, let's just say you go into 0:14:04.720 --> 0:14:09.120 work and somebody sends an email saying you did something 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:15.000 absolutely terrible and everybody believes it. But the thing is, 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:20.200 how do you prove something that's not true? Like, like 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.760 you know, you can't, you can't, you can't. They're like, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:26.880 we'll go through your text records. Okay, I did that, 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.880 but if there's not if these texts aren't real, I'm 0:14:29.920 --> 0:14:32.000 not going to find them. So what do I say 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.160 to you. So I literally, I mean I didn't even 0:14:35.200 --> 0:14:36.720 have that much money at the time. I literally use 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.920 all my money to hire people to go through all 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:44.440 my personal information to say this never happened. These texts 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.360 were never sent. I mean, they went through my eye cloud. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.360 It's like so gross to think about the invasion. But 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.800 I let them in just to try to prove that 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:54.640 I didn't do it. And then it came out and 0:14:54.680 --> 0:14:57.120 they were like, you made that up. You made that 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:00.760 So I just I kind of cant up. How do 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:02.840 these rumors even start? Like? Who do you know who 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:04.160 the like? And you don't have to name names or 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:05.760 anything like that, but do you know who the person 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:07.840 was that reached out to Reality Steve about it the 0:15:07.880 --> 0:15:11.960 first time? Okay, I don't think I can say the 0:15:12.000 --> 0:15:18.360 person that we found to be sure the one created 0:15:18.440 --> 0:15:22.520 the text, because something might still happen because of that. 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.240 Like legally, I don't really want to like resut it 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.480 that I have, but there, but I do have, which 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:33.040 I'm so glad I talked to um Steve because he 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:37.280 gave me the information showing a couple other people who 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:39.640 were very involved in spreading it around. Because there were 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.800 multiple stories and he did kind of run with them 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:48.600 and looking at them like I have emails. They're so 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:51.880 fake and I don't know why he believed them. But yeah, 0:15:51.920 --> 0:15:56.600 so there's there's three people, two women, and then somebody 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.240 who is actually very close to Jordan is the one 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:04.120 that made them up. Um, which is it's terrible, um, 0:16:04.840 --> 0:16:07.120 but it kind of makes sense. It kind of actually 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.240 makes sense because there was definitely a motivation there. Um. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.160 I just wish I would have known this years ago. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:20.200 But now outside Yeah, yeah, it's so tough. Two things. One, Um, well, 0:16:20.520 --> 0:16:22.280 I remember you said that you look crazy. You don't 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.400 look crazy, first of all. Uh. Secondly, your story is 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:30.640 so so different because yes, we go on the show 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.920 and you know, there is a certain level of editing 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:36.520 of course that goes on and we get edited to look, 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:39.680 you know, either more like something or less like something, 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:43.120 and that doesn't pack our lives. But most of the time, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.560 what I tell people a lot is it doesn't. It's 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.600 not going to ruin your life. You know, it's just 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.040 it's not like you're gonna get like Ashley. Definitely, you 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:55.600 know it has more to her than just crying. But 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:57.960 of course they're gonna high like that. But you know, 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:00.480 it's all funny and most of it's just for laughs, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.760 and if you can take yourself less seriously, yes, there 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:04.639 are going to be people who are rude, but you 0:17:04.680 --> 0:17:06.879 can get the perfect edit and there's still people are 0:17:06.880 --> 0:17:09.399 going to be rude to what happened. What happened with 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:15.920 you is wildly different because yours came after the show. 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.840 That didn't. It is crazy to think that all this 0:17:19.000 --> 0:17:21.879 happened after the show. Was it ever talked about on 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:25.840 the show at like a reunion because I don't remember. No, Okay, no, 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.320 they they asked me to go back on Paradise and 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:34.040 I was like, I am like, absolutely not. Of course 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.679 they told me, you know, you can have your conversation 0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:39.520 with him, because I think he like blocked me. I 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:41.679 don't know he said I blocked. I'm confused. But we 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.040 never Jordan, I never had any type of closure. That's 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:46.280 actually not a terrible idea because there's so many things. 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.919 There's so many things that he knew he uh um. 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:55.600 But anyways, yeah, no, there was never never anything. It's weird. 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.439 It's just kind of still like floating out there. I'm 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:00.720 just glad other good things that happened in my life. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:02.919 To cover up some of the terrible articles. I couldn't 0:18:02.960 --> 0:18:05.919 get jobs. They were like, I'm sorry, they were like, 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:08.439 it might not be true, but like we can't. We 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:11.280 can't risk it and hire you because of what you 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:16.879 look like on the internet. Like it sucks it just 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.840 and well, I'm so glad that you got over that, 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:22.200 because yeah, I can only I remember hearing the news 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.040 that it was that Steve came out and said I 0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.880 was wrong. This is all fabricated and I really screwed up, 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:35.080 um and being like and just thinking, holy that that 0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:37.800 was all on true, Like that was fake. He got duped. 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:40.080 And listen, I'm not trying to drag him as Steve. 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:43.360 He does a great job at his job. On him, 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:45.120 I personally like him. I don't care if you guys 0:18:45.119 --> 0:18:46.240 like him or not. I don't like it. I don't 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:48.359 know him personally. But my point is, of course he's 0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:50.720 good at his job, Like he gets the majority of things. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.920 He's bad at his job. Look at what he did. 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:58.840 Look what an example of like horrible nous um, but 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:01.320 it is. I mean, it's crazy to think, but I 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:04.440 mean the point being one, I'm just very happy that 0:19:04.440 --> 0:19:06.800 that is behind you. It just sucks that you had 0:19:06.840 --> 0:19:10.480 to go through that, and it's really unlike anything any 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.240 Bachelor contestant has ever experienced, because this is very different 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:17.560 think getting quote unquote a bad edit um, because even 0:19:17.600 --> 0:19:20.040 people who get like quote unquote bad edit, like they 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:22.480 still do things and it's like, well, you did do that, 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:25.280 you did say that you It was like, no, I didn't. 0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:29.360 I'm I'm true, like I am being honest, I did 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:32.879 not do this, and nobody believed you. And it's just sad, 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.560 but I'm so happy for you. Thank you. Do you 0:19:35.600 --> 0:19:38.160 want to know the worst part. The worst part about 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.720 that is I think it's because since I was like 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.199 young and started working, there were so many situations of 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.359 like men in power who wanted to abuse it and 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.520 who did offer money, bonuses, whatever it was, and I 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.560 always said no, like, it's definitely out there. I know 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:55.440 it's out there. I don't judge people. I don't care. 0:19:55.680 --> 0:19:58.040 I don't care if you're a sugar baby, do not care. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:00.920 It's just the fact that I always wanted to be 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:02.920 independent and work extra hard so I didn't have to 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.600 take anything from anybody, like especially a man. I just 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:07.720 never wanted to be in that position and so for 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:11.000 that to come out essentially becoming like my identity for 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.920 two years at least on the internet, it was, Yeah, 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:17.800