1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports where in the situation 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: that we haven't dealt with in modern times, pandemic here 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:10,479 Speaker 1: has really accelerated the investments that we've been advocating for 4 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,880 Speaker 1: for years. From a Macrew standpoint, I think our sport 5 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: industry is really forced to look at the business a 6 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: little bit differently. In depth conversations with the leaders in 7 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: the sports industry. Who wants to be the sacrificial lambs 8 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 1: that shows up at the first big major sporting event, 9 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: a part of something much bigger than the sports right now, 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: and the health and tasty of our stakeholders that books 11 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,880 Speaker 1: much important every moment. I think we're all from the 12 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: business respective thinking about the impact that the virus is 13 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:39,200 Speaker 1: having across the country. In Bloomberg Business of Sports from 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio, I'm Michael, I'm Scarlett Poo, and I'm Michael 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Barr And this is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast 16 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: where we explore the big money issues in the world 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: of sports today. We have a special guest joining us. Author, screenwriter, 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: and former pro hockey player Bill Keenan is with us. 19 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: Bill as a really interesting story. He grew up playing 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: junior hockey in New York you turned pro in Europe, 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,840 Speaker 1: only later to find a job on Wall Street. And 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: now Bill's critically acclaimed book, odd Man Rush. If that 23 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: sounds familiar, asked, because has been parlayed into a movie 24 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: Bill in our tradition here on Bloomberg Business of Sports, like, 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: we're at the sports bar. What it is nice to 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: have you. Thanks so much for having me. Scarlett feel 27 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta tell you that she's a very 28 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:28,319 Speaker 1: good hockey player and by the way, is also a 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: big fan of big fan of hockey. Yes, very good 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: hockey player. You need to put quote marks around that. 31 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: I practiced with a team called the Mother Puckers, which 32 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: are moms of kids in youth hockey, and sometimes we 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: get some free ice time and we're allowed to go 34 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: on the ice and other players walk by and watch 35 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: us fall all over the place and they kind of 36 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: laugh and wonder why we get so much ice time. 37 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: But Bill Keenan, thank you so much for joining us. 38 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to bring you on because the movie 39 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: is now out. This is a book you wrote a 40 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and you wrote it after you 41 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: return from your sojourn abroad where you tried to play 42 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: pro hockey, and you did for a while, but the 43 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: goal was always to come back to the U S 44 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: and be and turned into a pro player here that 45 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 1: didn't quite happen. So walk us through the thinking behind 46 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: writing a book and then getting it turned into a movie. Well, 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: first of all, so there's no shame in that. But 48 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 1: when I thought I had made it in Europe, I 49 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: actually remember the final game I played and we were 50 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: kind of getting rushed off the ice because there was 51 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: a figure skating event up next. So that that's kind 52 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: of where that was where my NHL dream stopped. But 53 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: I basically finished talking in two thousand and twelve. You know, 54 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: I had to find some justification for falling so short 55 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: of the ultimate dream, you know, to figure out why 56 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: why did I do this? And and and ultimately it 57 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: turned into me just writing down my thoughts and and 58 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: that turned into the book. And so it was sort 59 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: of a way to make sense of spending a lifetime 60 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: trying to get to something ing that I just you know, 61 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: to flout on my face. I just want to take 62 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: us through that. When you're writing a book, can you 63 00:03:06,800 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: can you take us through that process of you know, 64 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: what made you write the book? And how did you 65 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,080 Speaker 1: go about doing that. I think it all sort of 66 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: stemmed from I. I wasn't some bookworm growing up, but 67 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: in college, A lot of the experience, when I look 68 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 1: back on it, was writing these emails on a Sunday morning, 69 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, or I guess it would be Sunday afternoon 70 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: when you wake up. And and the goal was to 71 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: write an email to the rest of the guys and 72 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: the team and and see if you can get a response, 73 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully they you know, they laugh at it, and 74 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: and that that was the only goal. And I remember 75 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: when I stopped playing hockey in two thousand twelves and 76 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: when I started writing, basically because nobody wanted to listen 77 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: to me anymore talk about it. And I kind of 78 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: went back to those emails and I thought, that's you know, 79 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: I had written an original draft of this book, and 80 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: it was just painful because it was all sentimental. And 81 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: I thought that just wasn't the experience. That's not kind 82 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: of the sensibility of that world. And I thought, why 83 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: don't I get back to how I was thinking when 84 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: I was writing those emails to my teammates, But just 85 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,119 Speaker 1: for three pages of that, and and and so that's 86 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: kind of where that came from. There was no intention 87 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: to you know that. Then getting it published was a 88 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: whole another nightmare, but it was fun just doing it. 89 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,679 Speaker 1: And then that's the closest thing I got to hockey 90 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: was writing because I was there. I was that was 91 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: basically everything else was blocked out and you're sort of 92 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 1: in that kind of your own world, the same way 93 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: you are when you're on the ice. We went to 94 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: the same college and I can remember it during my 95 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: senior year around January, guys who get their haircut to 96 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: be clean shaven, they'd buy a cheap suit at the 97 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: Harvard Coope for seventy nine bucks, and that all marched 98 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: into the Office of Career Services for interviews with investment 99 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: banking would venture capitalists, because that was the path that 100 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,880 Speaker 1: we're going. What what little voice was inside your head 101 00:04:55,920 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 1: saying I'm not going to do that, I'm going to 102 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: go in another direction. I don't know. There were a 103 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: lot of loud voices coming from other people saying you're 104 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: not going to get a job here. So it was 105 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: it worked out. It was kind of mutually decided between 106 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: me and and the recruiters that I wasn't fit coming 107 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: out of college for a job, um, you know, at 108 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 1: a desk. But but it was really the me the 109 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: college experience. I wasn't really able to fulfill, um, kind 110 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: of what I had hoped to. So it was it 111 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: was a matter of being able to end hockey in 112 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: my own terms, and and having spent at that point 113 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: twenty three years playing it, and and knowing that I 114 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: needed to kind of end my career on the ice. 115 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: It was something that it wasn't really even a decision, 116 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: It was just something I was going to do. So 117 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 1: one thing that I really enjoyed about your book are 118 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: the little anecdotes. And I guess this goes back to 119 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 1: the emails that you would write to your teammates to 120 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: make them laugh, and one of them was about how 121 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: the culture in northern Europe is so different from the 122 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 1: culture here in North America. For instance, on picture day 123 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: in Europe, everyone made sure that their hair was slicked 124 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: back and they looked really good. So you have to 125 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: put some hair gel in your hair, to the point 126 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: where when you played in the game afterwards the gel 127 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: was melting and getting in your eyes and you're going 128 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: blind while you're on the ice. Um there's certainly a 129 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: contrast there. I wonder if you could give us some 130 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: observations about financially or the business model of hockey in 131 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: Europe versus in North America. Well, I knew to that 132 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: point you can't use gel, you gotta use whack. That 133 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 1: that was the takeaway there. But but no, it was 134 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: really exacerbated in Europe, especially at that time because I 135 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: I graduated in two thousand nine and I wasn't following 136 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: the S and P at that time, but I can 137 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: tell you it was. It was so obvious when I 138 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: got to these towns because really I was playing in 139 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: a place that you know, you don't the way I 140 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: describe it, you don't fly to any of these towns 141 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: that I've played, and you you fly, then you take 142 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: a bus and you take a train, and you know, 143 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: so there's these are really tiny places. Yeah, I mean 144 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: snowmobile at one point, there's a snowmobile. There's a there's 145 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: a team that gave players a snowmobile and that was 146 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: their mode of transportation. But but we we would you know, 147 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: it was so heavily reliant upon sponsors, and you see 148 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: it in European soccer. But that's I mean, what we see, 149 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: there are these massive companies in Sweden. We had like 150 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: a local energy company that was the main sponsor, and 151 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: and so you'd have two or three guys on the 152 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: team actually worked at at you know, they worked at 153 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: the power plants, um like after practice and so, I 154 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: mean there were times when we'd be on the bus 155 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: and and all of a sudden, the brakes, you feel 156 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: the brakes hit and you kind of knew this this team. 157 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: That happened twice. The team's actually folded in the middle 158 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: of the season. One was literally when we were on 159 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: our way to go play them, just because the sponsor, 160 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 1: the main sponsor, the company went broke and so um 161 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:52,760 Speaker 1: so it was you know, there's a lot of volatility 162 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: in that world. You'd have arenas that were built. It's 163 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: the same thing you see sometimes at whole in a 164 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: whole another degree here with companies building buildings for themselves, right, 165 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 1: it's sort of like a barometer for maybe kind of 166 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: they're over their skis. You'd see teams that would they 167 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: had a big sponsor, they'd maybe build a new rinker, 168 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: they do something that was over the top, and then 169 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: it's kind of the beginning of the end and you 170 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: just don't want to be on one of those teams. 171 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: I would like to hear your story when later on 172 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 1: you got a job on Wall Street. First of all, 173 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: where did you work? Take us through that process. After 174 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: I retired in two thousand and twelve, for some reason, 175 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: I kind of thought I'd just waltzed in and find 176 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: a job. And I still didn't, you know, have a 177 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,080 Speaker 1: sense of what I wanted to do. So it just 178 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 1: it was really not I was not really grounded, and 179 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,679 Speaker 1: so I decided to go back to business school. At 180 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:46,240 Speaker 1: business school, I figured I'd get some time and some 181 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: education to see what the opportunities are. And I ended 182 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 1: up not really finding something I really wanted to do, 183 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: and so I ended up in investment banking, which I 184 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: think a lot of people do just this sort of 185 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: a way to keep the options open and all this 186 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: stuff that they market. So I went I worked for 187 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: about two years that Deutsche Bank in the corporate finance division. 188 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: I want to go back to do not do it anymore. 189 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: When you watch the movie, a lot of times people 190 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,960 Speaker 1: look at the movie and if it's about their life, 191 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: they either smile afterwards or they cringe. They go that 192 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,199 Speaker 1: never happened, that wasn't me. That isn't how it happened. 193 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: Were you happy with the outcome? And was there anything 194 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: in there that made you cringe? Nothing made me cringe. 195 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: It's so difficult. You take an experience and then you 196 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 1: to turn it into a book is a solitary endeavor. 197 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: And so I could, I could spruce up what I 198 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: wanted to disperse up and and omit what I wanted 199 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: to admit. And the thing about a movie is that 200 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: that you're you're talking about distilling something even more. It's 201 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: much shorter, and so you really have to pick and 202 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: choose what are the moments that capture what you're trying 203 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: to capture. You also have have to rely on a 204 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: ton of people, and it's an incredibly collaborative experience, which 205 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: you know, I would say, there's there's a lot, there's 206 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: there's things that I think we're we're enhanced because we 207 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: got such a great group of actors and the director 208 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,199 Speaker 1: and the producers, so they sort of imbue it with 209 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: their experience. But overall I was happy with. To me, 210 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 1: it was just keeping the essence and the authenticity of 211 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: the world that I experienced, because that's that's to me, 212 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,480 Speaker 1: what was the most meaningful thing, and so I think 213 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm hopeful we got that right. Um, there's details like 214 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: anything else that you know that in the book and 215 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 1: the movie that I think, man, I could have made 216 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: that better. It's like it's you know when you have 217 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: a kind of a fumble on a breakaway and you 218 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: think that would and I just could have gotten my 219 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: back game. But but that's that's how it works. I 220 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: watched the movie. I saw an advanced versionment and it 221 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: was really good. It was very It tied together everything 222 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 1: and it was less about hockey and were about that 223 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 1: sense of wanting to play hockey in the hockey culture 224 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: and the law locker room culture. And you mentioned how 225 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: collaborative it was. There are a lot of members of 226 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: Hockey Royalty involved or people involved um from the hockey community, 227 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: including a son of Wayne Gretzky, a daughter of Mario Lemieux, 228 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: and I believe Luke Robotize Offspring also played a role. 229 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: And the producers were also involved in hockey as well. 230 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: Talk about the community of people who came together and 231 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: I mean, did you guys just talk about hockey when 232 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: you weren't directing and filming the movie? It was it 233 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: was This all stemmed from Karen and Howard Baldwin, who 234 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: were the main producers, as well as the Slater brothers 235 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: um and and they have incredible hockey lineage and and 236 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 1: they you know, just sort of worked with the timing 237 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,200 Speaker 1: we had. We had Trevor Gretzky, Alexo mu and Jesse 238 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: Robot I also Dylan Playfair, who's who's another great up 239 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: and coming actor on a show called Letter Kenny. And 240 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 1: they were all at the age that the roles that 241 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: we wrote, like, we didn't have anybody specific in mind, 242 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: like I'm not created, you know, not creative. I'm writing 243 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: about hockey because that's really all I know. So I wasn't. 244 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: I just needed to stick to something I understood, and 245 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: it just so happened. You had five or six actors 246 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: and musicians that were sort of in my boat that 247 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 1: are up, you know, trying to make a name for 248 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: themselves and enter this world and of acting and entertainment. 249 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: So it was there was a lot of hockey talk, 250 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: you know. And and that's another thing what was so 251 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: fun about this experience was that it was me being 252 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,199 Speaker 1: background hockey people, which kind of you know, and and 253 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 1: as a writer, I remember thinking when I watched the 254 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: film the first time, my two favorite lines of the 255 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: whole thing I didn't even write. They were ad lit, 256 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: one by Trevor and one by another actor. And and 257 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: that's the same. You know, It's like when you score 258 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: a goal. If you watch the playoffs now, if you 259 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: watch really carefully, if someone's and I'm thinking there was 260 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: an Ander's legal specifically that just happened. Where when you score, 261 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: it's such a great feeling, but it's so much better 262 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 1: when you see there's that guy that made an incredib 263 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: will play incredible past and you and and and to 264 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: see basically you do something and have it then you know, 265 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: enhance someone else's sort of contribution. That that is, like, 266 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: it's incredibly gratifying. Obviously, since you played hockey on a 267 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: pro level, you have a unique insight to today where 268 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: the NHL is playing in a bubble in a COVID 269 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 1: nineteen world. Your thoughts how do you think they're doing, 270 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: and your thoughts about how the whole pandemic has affected 271 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: the NHL. I mean, it's it's stunning how how incredible 272 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: the NHL has handled this situation. I mean the fact 273 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: that I can sit here and work and then have 274 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: one monitor just streaming NHL games the entire day and 275 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: it's gone on starting when they start, so I have 276 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: like two hours in the morning when there's no games 277 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: that I can get work done. But it's it's yeah. 278 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 1: I mean, as far as I can tell that, the 279 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: amount of time and first that went into this, it's 280 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: like anything else. They don't really give you much insight, 281 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: but you know there's an absolute monumental task that that 282 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: has happened and planning that's gone into it, and I'm 283 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: thankful that they've just brought us back to the playoff 284 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: hockey this quickly over the summer. I mean, um, I 285 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: and I and I suspect as as there are the 286 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 1: biggest sort of risk was right at the beginning with 287 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: all these teams in the bubble, and I think as 288 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: more teams get eliminated, hopefully the risk will go down. 289 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: But I think they've done in a critical job. And 290 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: Mike Lynch, I think about the NHL and the bubble 291 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: and how hockey really lends itself to a bubble model 292 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: because the culture is so insular and everything is so 293 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: tighten it within that is it that big of a 294 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: stretch to be in a bubble during the playoffs. Doesn't 295 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: feel like it is compared to say Major League Baseball 296 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: or another sport. No. I mean, hockey guys are the 297 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: best guys on the planet. They if if you tell 298 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: them what to do, they'll they'll do it, and they'll 299 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: march and they'll stay in line. Um. We here in 300 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: Boston had to carass the goalie after before Game three 301 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: decided to opt out and go home and be with 302 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: his family. And other than that, no one's tested positive 303 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: and everyone's staying in there and it's working. And Bill, 304 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you, of all the experiences you had, 305 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 1: let's go teammates, coaches, teams you play on, is there 306 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: one specific person or team or group that has sort 307 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: of made you the guy that you are today doing 308 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: what you were doing right now? Is the CEO for 309 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: Graydon Carters air Mail? And I'm not just saying this 310 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: because you're a Boston guy, but there's a guy named 311 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: Paul Vincent who's uh sort of a staple in New 312 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: England and he's been a He ran summer hockey camps 313 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: and I think he still has has that going. And 314 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: he's been a skating coach and a skills coach for 315 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: a bunch of NHL teams, and he was someone and 316 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: I found this, this this is tough to find. He 317 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: basically saw something in me that I I don't even 318 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: think I still I I don't see in myself. And 319 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: so he he would be the person was never actually 320 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: a coach of mine as far as like a team, 321 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: but he surrounded himself with with just hard working people. 322 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: Everyone that he coached was actually sort of in my shoes. 323 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: It was never really a goal scorer. It was it's 324 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: never a guy you've heard of for the most part, 325 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: but it's it's always the third, fourth liners. And so 326 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 1: that's someone that that has made a huge difference in impact, 327 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: not just on hockey, but kind of on on everything 328 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, I mean people in the hockey community 329 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: always talked about how hockey teaches you life skills because 330 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: most people don't make it to the pros. But what 331 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: it does teach you is, you know, the hard work, 332 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: the teamwork, the relying on your teammates. UM. I know 333 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: that Michael Barr asked you earlier about your Wall Street career. 334 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: Um it was at Deutsche Bank, which you mentioned, and 335 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: you also turned that into a book. As well called 336 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: discussion materials you ended up in that book. You talk 337 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: a lot about how your hockey background played into your 338 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: ability to talk with people in the industry. I wonder 339 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: if you can just expand on that a little bit, 340 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 1: the intimate ties between hockey and Wall Street, because it 341 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: seems like it feels like a lot of Wall Street 342 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: guys played hockey or followed hockey or or I don't know, 343 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: there are a lot more tied to hockey than perhaps 344 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: other sports. Yeah. Absolutely, and that was certainly that that 345 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: was that was a great entry point. Especially going through 346 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:27,239 Speaker 1: the interviews, I noticed there was much more in like 347 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: the sales and trading that the trading floor they talk 348 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: about the locker room kind of atmosphere. And and you know, 349 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 1: one thing that I realized, and I was not in 350 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: that division, but one thing I did realize is that 351 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: if I had wanted to really be I think, and 352 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: this is why I left, I didn't want to really 353 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: be in a locker room anymore. I loved writing about it, 354 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: and and but that's a very solitary thing. And and 355 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: I remember early on in the experience realizing that if 356 00:17:58,080 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to be in the locker room and and 357 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: have that I should have just stayed in the actual 358 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: locker room rather than try to recreate it in another environment. 359 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: And and so that was the only way to figure 360 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 1: that out obviously is doing it. So it was logical 361 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: to enter that world and give it a shot. But 362 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,000 Speaker 1: it's just you also have to really be driven by 363 00:18:17,040 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: what you're doing. And I loved winning and playing hockey 364 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: and scoring and but but it wasn't the same way 365 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: with necessarily watching the markets and doing deals. So to me, 366 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: it didn't fully translate. But I didn't. It was as 367 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: you celebrate a deal with another pitchbook. So but but 368 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: it was a great it was. It was definitely meet 369 00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: a lot of my peers, for the most part, were 370 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: now some I still have some good friends. But it 371 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: wasn't you know, you do have to be like I 372 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: was the same way that you're in practice or you're 373 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: in a game and you're that's where you are and 374 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: you're lost and immersed. You know, you've got to feel 375 00:18:56,320 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: that way when you're in an Excel model at two am. 376 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: And I was lost in those models, but I didn't 377 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 1: I didn't lose myself in them. I want to talk 378 00:19:04,119 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: about junior activities you. Obviously you play junior hockey, and 379 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm big in youth activities. I don't care if it's 380 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: junior football, if it's junior baseball or junior chess. Thank 381 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: God for me, But what what what take us through that? 382 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 1: Because I always believe that kids today they need that 383 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: sort of activity. And I hope we get past COVID 384 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: nineteen here and we can get back full song with that. 385 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: I completely agree. And seeing some of my friends now 386 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: that have kids sort of on the brink. Luckily most 387 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: have have kids that aren't interested in hockey because I 388 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: fear for for the parents knowing what it takes. Scarlett 389 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: is well aware tournaments and wake up just to go 390 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: to a freezing cold drink. But I think the core 391 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: is just having it's the kid wants to do it. 392 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: It's great and I think if you just stressed. You know, 393 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: I'm not having no understanding since I'm not a parent, 394 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: but I think if you if you come at it 395 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: from the angle of this is this will teach you 396 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: this then the other thing. That's a good way to 397 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: scare a kid off. And I think those are just byproducts. 398 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,479 Speaker 1: And if you just if they'll learn that, if they 399 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:23,679 Speaker 1: actually like the sport, and it doesn't have to be 400 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: I think. I think if you can just expose the 401 00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: kids to as many different things sports, disciplines, arts, and 402 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: figure out hopefully something sticks. I mean, I realized how 403 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: incredibly lucky I was to find hockey, have an opportunity 404 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 1: to do it, and feel so crazed about it, because 405 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people have that experience, 406 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: maybe until after college and they get their first job. 407 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: So in a way, it was sort of a blessing 408 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: to find it, and yet it makes it more difficult 409 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: then to find something to replace it. Bill, your book 410 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: is often compared to Jim Boughton's Ball four, which was 411 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: the revolution revolutionary book in the in the in the sixties, 412 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 1: and you know that's the old saying, what happens in 413 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: the room stays in the room. Did you have any 414 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:13,640 Speaker 1: fallouts or any rough discussions with anybody after the book 415 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 1: came out? He used real names in the book. Yeah, 416 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: Well again, there you go. I couldn't. I remember writing 417 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: some of those names and thinking I'll change them, and 418 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: then you just forget to change them, and I couldn't. 419 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: I can't. For the most part. It's all real. I 420 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: just again, I can't make up any of this stuff, 421 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 1: which is really why I wrote it, because you couldn't 422 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 1: make it up, and I thought it was so it was. 423 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 1: It just left such an impression. These memories are so 424 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: vivid as far as fallout, not particularly I mean my friends, 425 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 1: you know, the beaut of hockey players. I remember when 426 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 1: I told the one friend I played with in Sweden 427 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: and and his first I said, I wrote a book, 428 00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: and you're kind of front and center, and you know, 429 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 1: as you can imagine because we lived right next to 430 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 1: each other in the hotel where they housed us. But 431 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: his his only question was like, hey, if you have 432 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: a if you're going to use a picture of me, 433 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: can use this one with the hair wax. Yeah. So 434 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,640 Speaker 1: so that's really what they're concerned about, which is kind 435 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 1: of the beauty of the whole thing. There's that, and 436 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: that's almost why I wrote it, because it's that type 437 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: of person that it's just that you can't that's there's 438 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: no ego, there's no outlaw. How did you portray me? 439 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: Because because I'm hopefully it was exactly portrayed kind of 440 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: who they were, which is how they want to be. 441 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: Well said, I watched the movie. As I mentioned, why 442 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: Um is the lead actor not named you because your 443 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,400 Speaker 1: book is a memoir, but in the movie it's it's 444 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: a fictional character. I think one of one of the 445 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: things that we discussed. So I had written an original draft, 446 00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 1: very kind of slap dish Microsoft word document that eventually 447 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: we tweaked, and I ended up rewriting the final shooting 448 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: graphs with the director. And in order to you know, 449 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 1: we need to step away from the actual memoir. It 450 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: was more about capturing the experience, and it was almost 451 00:22:57,560 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 1: just being able to see a different name. So it's 452 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 1: maybe this didn't happen exactly Bill Keenan, but to Bobby Standers, 453 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: which is the name of the lead character in the movie, 454 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: let's have him take this route. So it's it's it's 455 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: adapted Um, And I think it was just a way. 456 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: Plus he's so much better, better looking than me. It 457 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 1: was just not gonna He didn't have the right hockey 458 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: here though he I mean, he had like sloppy hair 459 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: in front, but it wasn't. Yeah, that's why I never 460 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 1: made it. Do you have a favorite hockey movie, Michael Barr, Oh, 461 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: the Paul Newman One Shot, Yeah, slap shot, Oh, I 462 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: love that one. That that is that miracle. Miracle was good, 463 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,280 Speaker 1: Miracle was very tough to beat. Miracle. Yeah, that's true. 464 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: And there's also Goon. I don't know if I mean, 465 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,199 Speaker 1: you know, during the pandemic, we had a lot of 466 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 1: time to watch random movies. Bill Keenan, were you thinking 467 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: of different movies hockey movies and trying to steer clear 468 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: of those as you were going through the process of 469 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 1: adapting your book into a screenplay. I think I steered 470 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: to head on into most of them because that that's 471 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,159 Speaker 1: so much a part of the experiences watching the movies 472 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: on the bus. I don't know how it works now 473 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: with you know, all the new technology. But but but no, 474 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: I we we um. I'm sure subconsciously there's tons of 475 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: stuff that we took. I mean, I've got references in 476 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: there to the Mighty Ducks. I mean that, so so 477 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: there's it's uh no, I was, I was not steering 478 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: clear and I think I think, you know, one of 479 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: one of my big wishes for this is that slapshot 480 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 1: was that that is hockey to its core. If we 481 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: can just get one kid on a bus on a 482 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,680 Speaker 1: trip to tournament to stand up after they watched slap 483 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 1: Shot five times and say, whoa, let's watch a man rush. 484 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: Even if they tell the kids to shut up and 485 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: sit down. That's good that he knows, he knows the 486 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: movies out there. Bill Keenan, Thank you so much, sir, 487 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: and again I gotta go out see the movie. Thank 488 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: you so much for joining us. Thank you guys. This fun. 489 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: This is the Bloomberg Business of Sports podcast at Michael 490 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 1: bar on Twitter at Big Bar Sports. We are here 491 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: each and every Monday, Wednesday and Thursday exploring the world 492 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,359 Speaker 1: of money in sports. Mike Lynch you can catch me 493 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Lynch e w CBB and I'm Scarlett 494 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 1: on Twitter at Scarlett Field. And my chess team's name 495 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: was the Rooks. You're listening. You're listening to Bloomberg Businesses 496 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: Sports on Bloomberg Radio around the world and online wherever 497 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts.