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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth and Lazarre. Hello, everybody nailed it?

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Speaker 1: Joined as always, Buy ours bar Here is Evan Lazar

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Speaker 1: and Alex bars You developed the quarterback you drafted three

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Speaker 1: years ago. You don't let Tom Brady walk out the

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Speaker 1: door without a backup plan. This was my whole thing

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Speaker 1: I was screaming about for months about you don't want

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Speaker 1: to go back in the quarterback carrousel because you're right,

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Speaker 1: it is scary. It is scary taking a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the top ten. Well, here we are. I mean, is

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Speaker 1: it not scary? What a perfect way to start off?

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Speaker 1: Is this not scary? Uncharted? Welcome? You thought when when?

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying it wasn't when Brady left?

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Speaker 2: It was like, what's the guy I'm gonna butcher? It

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Speaker 2: just keep going.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying that when Brady left it wasn't uncharted territory.

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Speaker 1: But you want to talk about uncharted territory. You want

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Speaker 1: to talk about the great unknown? Yeah, New England Patriots fans,

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Speaker 1: We're in it. Welcome to the Great Unknown. And you

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Speaker 1: know it's.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, Alex, And you know Alex barth Evan Lazar Patriots

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Speaker 2: catch twenty two. Nothing to talk about today, Alex, Absolutely

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Speaker 2: nothing for us to fill these next couples. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: do three up, three down for the season. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about, you know, the.

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Speaker 1: Draft a little bit, Jarvis green Takes. I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get off on Jess.

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Speaker 2: Well obviously, unless you live under a rock like Patrick Starr,

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Speaker 2: I will tell you all right now that the Patriots

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Speaker 2: and Bill Belichick have agreed to part Wait.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, hang on, speaking of can I just share

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Speaker 1: this email I got from a sports reader earlier because

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Speaker 1: it kind of ties into that. I got an email

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Speaker 1: from somebody earlier today asking me when the preseason opponents

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Speaker 1: are released. I got this who says Patriots fans aren't

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Speaker 1: still bought in? Who says Patriots fans are in still?

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Speaker 2: I don't think that guy knows, so the Patriots. Easiest

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Speaker 2: way to say this, Bill Belichick is no longer the

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Speaker 2: head coach of your New England Patriots. That's just the

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Speaker 2: bottom line. Is no longer the head coach of your

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Speaker 2: New England Patriots. And as Alex just.

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Speaker 1: Just said.

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Speaker 2: Off the top of the show, the open of the

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Speaker 2: show Alex is kind of why he's no longer the

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Speaker 2: head coach of the New England Patriots. But Alex and

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Speaker 2: I were both down here today for the noontime press

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Speaker 2: conference that had both Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick give statements,

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Speaker 2: no questions, but statements to the media here at Gillette

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Speaker 2: Stadium about this decision to mutually part ways and then

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Speaker 2: also the Q and A with mister Kraft later in

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Speaker 2: the day talking about the future a little bit and

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Speaker 2: talking about the decision to move on from Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 2: So we consumed it all, Alex, and now we're here

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Speaker 2: to talk about it.

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Speaker 1: With the people.

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Speaker 2: We are going to talk candidates a little bit. We

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Speaker 2: will talk about structure, power, structure for the Patriots going

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Speaker 2: forward a little bit, and that's where you know, we

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Speaker 2: can get into the how our reactions to today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I want to start with this.

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Speaker 2: As two people that are obsessed with the football of

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Speaker 2: all this and where what this means for the football team.

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Speaker 2: And let's not I don't want to undersell because I

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Speaker 2: don't think you can overstate how much Bill Belichick drove

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Speaker 2: the bus on football operations.

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Speaker 1: In New England.

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Speaker 2: We are talking about the guy and mister Kraft said

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Speaker 2: it this afternoon that made every single football decision. The

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Speaker 2: This was the Patriots football emperor. He's the bizarre. He

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Speaker 2: did everything here in New England. And Greg Madard asked

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Speaker 2: I thought that that Robert had a really candid answer

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Speaker 2: I think it was kind of a joke, but he

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Speaker 1: And that Cliff is going to get a ton of

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Speaker 2: But the point that I'm getting at by bringing all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not a one for one, and I

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Speaker 2: So with that in mind, I think when we start

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Speaker 2: went wrong x's and o's football wise with the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Is there a.

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Speaker 2: Role moving forward that is president of football operation, not

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Speaker 1: There's two different ways to go with this because we

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Speaker 1: To the first part, there was a report last week

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Speaker 1: And I go back to Ben Vollen reported they were

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Speaker 1: speaking with Scott Pioli. Yeah, like, he's the kind of

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Speaker 1: the president of Football Operations is somebody to both oversee

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just pulled it up because I wanted

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Speaker 2: to get the roles correct.

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Speaker 2: So, technically John Lynch's role in San Francisco is President

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Speaker 2: And then Adam Peters is the assistant general manager, who's

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Speaker 2: And then they said to Bill, here is our list, like,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if that they're gonna do that same exact thing,

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Speaker 2: but it's just instead of it all being on the

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Speaker 1: What did you think of today?

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Speaker 1: the social media team and all you got. Like, I

438
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Speaker 1: thought the organization handled it well. And Robert even saying, yeah,

439
00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: we're not really gonna do anything over the top to

440
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: honor him until he's done coaching, correct, It would be

441
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: super weird to do that, and then you know, the

442
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:33,520
Speaker 1: next day he goes and signs wherever. So I thought, obviously,

443
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, there's some planning that went into it, but

444
00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 1: I think a day like this just kind of you

445
00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 1: go off the cuff to a certain extent. And I

446
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 1: thought they all handled it very well.

447
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, and it's it's an interesting situation because

448
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 2: you know, we were talking as we were walking down here,

449
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 2: and you know, when I got hired to work here

450
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,159
Speaker 2: but the Patriots, you know, I talked to douce My,

451
00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,160
Speaker 2: my fearless leader about it this being a a long

452
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,399
Speaker 2: term gig for me, right, Like I'm a lifer, Like

453
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,000
Speaker 2: I grew up twenty minutes from here, I'm a Patriots lifer.

454
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,960
Speaker 2: I hope to be here for the next twenty The

455
00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: point being though, I never could have imagined in a

456
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 2: million years that I'd be two years into working for

457
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,200
Speaker 2: Patriots dot Com and Bill Belichick would already be gone like.

458
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Speaker 1: That, that is part of it.

459
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Speaker 2: You know, I didn't know, Like you don't know, but

460
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: you don't think about it, like and I really figured

461
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 2: that I would at least for the first couple, you know,

462
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 2: three four five years, like Bill would be the coach.

463
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 1: And I think in.

464
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 2: A dream world, Bill would have been the coach until

465
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 2: the schooler record. Yeah, he would have passed the tourist

466
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 2: to Gerrodmeo, who would have a couple more years on

467
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 2: the staff to like get ready for this. And because

468
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: this happened, this was expedited I think by a year

469
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 2: or two for everybody. That's why I am starting to

470
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: come around to Mike Rabel being the next coach of

471
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Speaker 2: the Patriots because he has the coaching experience in the

472
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Speaker 2: NFL to pass that torch. I think that for Gerard's sake,

473
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Speaker 2: as much as he might feel like he was stepped

474
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: over by Rabel or whatever, I think for Gerard's sake.

475
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: Handing Gerard this rebuild project with zero head coaching experience,

476
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 2: really never been an actual defensive coordinator before, I think

477
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: it's a big, big ask. Now, if he does it

478
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Speaker 2: with Mike Rabel upstairs or somebody else upstairs that has

479
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 2: been a head coach that can relate to that, then

480
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,720
Speaker 2: maybe it's a little bit different. But to pair Gerard

481
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: Mayo with like a true general manager, you know, personnel guy,

482
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: and then ask Dood Mayo to like segue the Patriots

483
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 2: out of the Bill Belichick era, I think is a

484
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: really really big ask. Whereas Frabel has the experience and

485
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,160
Speaker 2: he also is so comfortable in his own skin.

486
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Rabel's not going to back down from the and

487
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying is either, but like we've seen Rabel

488
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Speaker 1: run an organization before.

489
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's where I'm but today was a crazy day,

490
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: a weird day. All those things can be true. A

491
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: couple more things just about what was said. Robert Kraft

492
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 2: did say that they're going to move quickly on next steps,

493
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: you know, general manager, head coach and hiring things like that.

494
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 2: And the other thing that I thought was interesting, not

495
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: that it's surprising, because I think we knew this, but

496
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 2: he had multiple hints at the fact that Bill's not

497
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: done coaching, So clearly Bill and him talked about Bill

498
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 2: going someplace else and coaching someplace else. So that'll be

499
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: a really interesting thing to monitor as well. As a

500
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: Patriots fan, it kind of makes me a little bit sick,

501
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 2: just like bradon going to Tampa Bay. But in general,

502
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: you know, Bill Belichick is is we are going to

503
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Speaker 2: see an Adam Schefter tweet at some point in the

504
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,959
Speaker 2: next couple of days it says Bill Belichick is interview

505
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,440
Speaker 2: with the Atlanta Falcons like that, Like that's just gonna

506
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 2: happen right now. If I'm Bill, and you know, not

507
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: that he's asking me, but if I'm Bill, I'm waiting

508
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: at least until after a wild card weekend because if Dallas, Dallas,

509
00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: Philly even Buffalo. Like, if one of those teams ends

510
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 2: up firing their head coach because they're one and done

511
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 2: in the playoffs, those situations are so so much better

512
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: than going and trying to coach the Atlanta Falcons, right,

513
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 2: Like he I.

514
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Speaker 1: Don't think the Atlanta Falcons is that bad. Of all

515
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: the options, now, that's probably best fit for him because

516
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 1: they're look adding the quarterbacks obviously.

517
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Chargers are the best fit for them.

518
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Speaker 1: But are is he going to have the freedom there

519
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Speaker 1: to bring in the people he wants to bring in

520
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,959
Speaker 1: and you know, expand that staff. And why wouldn't make

521
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Speaker 1: some of the roster changes because they don't spend any money.

522
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Speaker 2: Frankly, Dallas doesn't spend that much money on their coaching

523
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Speaker 2: staff either.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Other interesting thing, Yeah, do you know some of the

526
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Speaker 2: people in the room today?

527
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Speaker 1: So I saw Josh McDaniels was in there.

528
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Speaker 2: So Josh McDaniels was in there, which I think McDaniels

529
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 2: has been around a little bit this week. He was

530
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 2: obviously at the game on Sunday, and DeMarcus Covington was spotted,

531
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Speaker 2: y Mike Pellegrino was spotted. I think the other interesting

532
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 2: angle about all of this is that unless it's Gerard,

533
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Speaker 2: and Gerard retained some of the defensive coaches, there's a

534
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Speaker 2: very very real chance that this is an entirely new

535
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Speaker 2: coaching staff, which next year.

536
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Speaker 1: We've talked about this, keeping continuity on the defensive side

537
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Speaker 1: of the ball is important. Covington's the one. I wonder

538
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Speaker 1: if it's be the DC here under Mayo or Vrabel, yeah,

539
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: or be the DC wherever Bill is. What's a better job.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I just think it's interesting because in a

541
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 2: lot of ways, for the most part, not always, but

542
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: for the most part, it's the head coach's staff, right right,

543
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: And those are Bill's guys like that, those aren't the

544
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: Patriots people like that's Bill Belichick's guys are Mike Pellegrino,

545
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 2: DeMarcus Covington, obviously, his sons are his guys, you know,

546
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 2: even some of the guys Vinnie Troy Brown, like those are.

547
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: That's Bill Belichick's staff. And most of the time, when

548
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 2: a head coach picks up and moves on to someplace else,

549
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 2: he takes like ninety nine percent of the staffers with him.

550
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 2: So I think that there's a really good chance that

551
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 2: next year we see basically the Patriots last coaching staff here.

552
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: I can't stay current anymore. The Patriots last regime here

553
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 2: is basically going to pick up sticks and go to

554
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: Atlanta and put sticks down and all of a sudden,

555
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: it's gonna be like Josh McDaniel's offensive coordinator with all

556
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 2: the Patriots coaches, which is I think gonna be bizarre.

557
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: I do wonder for some of the defensive guys because

558
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: they obviously have a relationship with Mayo as well. It's

559
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 1: if he's the guy, it's maybe if it's Mayo, maybe

560
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,120
Speaker 1: some guys stay. But yeah, you're right, it's Bill's He's

561
00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: gonna take people with him, and it's not just be that.

562
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna be people who have been here. He's a guy.

563
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: Does a guy like Matt Patricia follow him there? Does

564
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 1: a guy like Patrick Grahams. I don't know if he's

565
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: officially been fired by the Raiders yet, but he's you know,

566
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:10,959
Speaker 1: they're gonna have a new coach. They're gonna tell you

567
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 1: another guy that what. I don't think I saw him today,

568
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: But Joe Judge is definitely going wherever building. Oh yeah,

569
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: so you know those Judge McDaniels, Patricia those three are yeah,

570
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: going wherever wherever billins them, Yeah, Camic Cord maybe yeah. Yeah.

571
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Speaker 2: It just it's interesting how how this is all gonna

572
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: go down. It's it's it's exciting. It's a little scary. Uh, Personally,

573
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: it's a little scary because we we've developed relationships with

574
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 2: a lot of these assistant coaches over the years. You know,

575
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: we've been talking to the same guys over and over again,

576
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 2: and now you're just gonna have a whole new uh,

577
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: you know, a whole different set of people probably looking

578
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 2: back at you on those those zoom calls. When we

579
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 2: have assistant coaches availabilities and things like that, it'll be

580
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 2: a different world. It'll be a different world. I want

581
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: to talk a little bit about more about the the

582
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 2: succession plans, replacements, things like that. But let's get to

583
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 2: the phones and you can call in at eight five

584
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 2: to five patch five hundred. Tim is in Boston. He's

585
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 2: been hanging on for a while. What's up, Tim, Hey, guys,

586
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: that we're doing good.

587
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 1: How are you?

588
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: I'm all right. You know, it's an emotional day. You know,

589
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 4: I'm one of these young callers in twenty three, you know,

590
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 4: with Bill, Tom Adam, like Bergeron and Ortiz, it feels

591
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 4: like everyone I grew up watching is gone here that

592
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: we're dealing. Oh yeah, But in terms of the future,

593
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 4: I think my ideal scenario would be VRABEL with Arthur

594
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 4: Smith as the OC and Adam Peters as the DM,

595
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 4: And I want to know how we can get Mayo

596
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 4: into that building with them.

597
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call, Tim.

598
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 2: And this is another thing that we before we get

599
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: to his question there, that we were talking about earlier

600
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: for people like you and me. I'm thirty one, you're

601
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: you're twenty nine to twenty nine.

602
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: You don't call me thirty yet. I still got two months,

603
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: two and a half months. You're thirty. Don't call me

604
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: thirty yet. We're both old, not thirty for people like us.

605
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 2: And I was candidly like, I don't remember Pete Carroll,

606
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 2: Like I don't remember Pete Carroll.

607
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 1: I remember vaguely watching those teams, but I didn't know who.

608
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a coach, I don't And I don't

609
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 2: remember Bill Parcells obviously at all.

610
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 1: Like Bill Parcells too, you wouldn admit if you did well.

611
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: So I was born in ninety two, Bill Parcells's last

612
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: year at the team was ninety six, so I would

613
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: have been four years old when the Patriots made that

614
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 2: Super Bowl with Bill Parcells. No recognition of that whatsoever.

615
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: I have a little bit of recollection of Drew Bledsoe

616
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 2: just because of the two thousand and two thousand and

617
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: one seasons, but nothing before that. And I think a

618
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: lot of Patriots fans are like us and relate to

619
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: that and that we don't know another head coach like

620
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 2: we have never seen another like I as much as

621
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,719
Speaker 2: you could almost say the same thing about Brady, I

622
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: do remember Drew Bledsoe, and I do remember the year

623
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: with Matt Castle, right and all that kind of stuff.

624
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: So I've seen another person quarterback to Patriots before Tom Brady.

625
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 2: I have zero recollection of another coach coaching the Patriots

626
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: other than Bill Belichick.

627
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: I used to say when I was in college, and

628
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, I went to school in New York, said a

629
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: bunch of friends that were Jets fans, unfortunately, and it

630
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,959
Speaker 1: was crazy watching them go through quarterback after quarterback every year,

631
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: and they talk about, you know, Chad Pennington or Vinnie

632
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: Testaverdi about like the quarterbacks from their childhood. Yeah, right,

633
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 1: I was twenty four still watching my childhood quarterback. Like

634
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: it probably stunted to me grown up a little bit

635
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: that I'm like, oh, it's Tom Brady just like I

636
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: was six. Yeah, there's an element of that with Bill

637
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: Belichick too, And I think the other thing with Bill

638
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: is we watched Brady, you know, and obviously we very

639
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: much enjoyed watching Tom Brady, and there were things you

640
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: learned from him. But I remember when when John Madden

641
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 1: died last year, there was a lot of talk and

642
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: it was true about how an entire generation of football

643
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: fans learned football from John Madden from listening to him,

644
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, on Sunday night, Monday night foot ball, on

645
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: listening to him in the Madden video game, Right you do,

646
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: ask Madden he tell you to run the play, I

647
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: would say, half back dive right nobody. He'd be like, well,

648
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to do is throw it at your

649
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: receiver here unless you see this, like I still hear

650
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Speaker 1: sometimes go back play bad before hit. Ask Madden. He

651
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Speaker 1: would tell you why. I mean, there's like five different cuts,

652
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, tells you why you're running the play. He's

653
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: telling you to run. That I think is true for

654
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: Patriots fans who grew up in New England watching Belichick

655
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: a lot of ore. I don't want to speak for everybody,

656
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: but I think for a lot of Patriots fans of

657
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: a certain age, our core beliefs, our core concepts when

658
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: it comes to football, are things we heard Bill Belichick say.

659
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the ways we learned the

660
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: game was it can just be things as simple as terminology.

661
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: Was just listening to Bill Belichick. And I continue to

662
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: learn throughout my time on the beat, but really early on,

663
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,000
Speaker 1: like my early foundational football knowledge. Like a clip, I

664
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Speaker 1: go back to one of my favorite all the time

665
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: Belichick clips. It's so minor, it's on I don't remember

666
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: if it's on the three or zero four Super Bowl DVD,

667
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: but it's early in the video.

668
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Speaker 2: That you watch every day that I mean, you watch

669
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Speaker 2: it once a week.

670
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Speaker 1: So my annual tradition was when the pages in the

671
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: playoffs every year, to watch it the night before the

672
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: first playoff game, watch all the DVDs, and then that

673
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: became like a twelve hour event. But there's one clip

674
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,160
Speaker 1: where there it's early on and they're in camp and

675
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: they're talking about Bill Belichick's attention to detail, and I

676
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: can't remember the offensive lineman he's talking to. I think

677
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: it's I'm gonna look in a second because I know

678
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Speaker 1: the number off to my head. But they're running a

679
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: goal a red zone drill and the or sorry, they're

680
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: like backed up to the end zone, right, and one

681
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: of the defensive lineman jumps off sides, and Bill pulls

682
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: him aside and goes, all right. In this situation, offense

683
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: is backed up on the goal line, offense jumps off sides.

684
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: What happened? Offense fall starts, What happens in the line goes,

685
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: nothing goes. You jump off side, it goes five yards.

686
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: He goes, that's right. So like in that situation, you

687
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 1: can't be jumping off sides. You're the only one giving up.

688
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: And it sounds like a minor thing, But I think

689
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,719
Speaker 1: about that all the time and those sorts of things.

690
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: We all learned a lot, just the x's and knows

691
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of the minutial football watching Bill Belichick.

692
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's our Vince Lombardi. That's it. Like he's our

693
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,280
Speaker 2: Vince Lombardi. He will always be synonymous with Patriots football.

694
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: He always will be Patriots football.

695
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: It was Bobby I say, Anthony pleasuner Bobyilton. It was

696
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:20,760
Speaker 1: Bobby Hamilton.

697
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 2: He will be Patriots football for me for the rest

698
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 2: of my life. Like that's he is synonymous with the

699
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 2: brandt at this point and.

700
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Speaker 1: He should not just paid. He is football. Yeah, he

701
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: is football, Like so much of my basis of knowledge

702
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: of the game is just based on watching him and

703
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 1: watching his teams for twenty something years growing up. Yeah.

704
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Speaker 2: So we talked a little bit at the top of

705
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Speaker 2: the show about Mike Rabel and Gerrod Mayo, and I

706
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: think a lot of fans this is there. There is

707
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people's opinion now is those are two

708
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: bright football minds. Yeah, two guys that we can relate

709
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: to that we know, we're familiar with. It's a it's

710
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: a it's a soft landing for the Crafts absolutely to

711
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: land one of those two guys, probably rable more than Mayo,

712
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: just because of the experience.

713
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Speaker 1: Of relatively So, I don't think anything about this is

714
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: a soft landing, Bill Belichick, but relatively.

715
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Speaker 2: Speak, if you brought in, you know, one of the

716
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: people that you hate, you know, like not that Brandon

717
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: Staley is not not on the list, but I'm just

718
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: saying like you wouldn't be if you brought in one

719
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: of these, like like unknown hot shot candidate type people

720
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Speaker 2: like Brandon Staley was a couple of years ago at

721
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 2: the Chargers. I think people would just would be a

722
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: little bit, not a little bit, I think people would

723
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 2: be very nervous about something like that. Rabel and Mayo

724
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 2: are comfortable hires.

725
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Speaker 1: They're familiar, right And by the way, I don't think

726
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 1: that's just the fans field that way. I think the

727
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: crafts field that.

728
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So how do we get them both in the

729
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: building at the same time, I don't think. But I

730
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: never rule anything out because I I just don't. I

731
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 2: don't rule anything out. And I don't think that Gerard

732
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Speaker 2: Mayo would take the defensive coordinator job under Mike Rabel

733
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Speaker 2: simply because I think that he was, if not directly

734
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Speaker 2: promised to be the succession plan, was probably wink wig

735
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Speaker 2: nod nodded as the succession plan, and I think he

736
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 2: would feel slighted by that. But if he could let

737
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Speaker 2: his ego not get in the way for a second,

738
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Speaker 2: him having the official title of defensive coordinator running that

739
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 2: side of the ball, because Frabel, let's face it, you know,

740
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Speaker 2: is Vrabel for the better, by the way, is really

741
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: going to be more of like a CEO type.

742
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Speaker 1: As as the head coach.

743
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: Right, he's gonna have a Bill O'Brien running the offense,

744
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith running the offense, something like that, Girod Mayo

745
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,240
Speaker 2: running the defense, and he's going to be the guy seeing,

746
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Speaker 2: overseeing all of it. As as I think that ideally

747
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: the structure is for really successful head coaches. If that,

748
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 2: if he can do that, if Girod Mayo can stomach that,

749
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Speaker 2: then I can see that benefiting his career because now

750
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Speaker 2: if he interviews in a cycle, or he interviews in

751
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Speaker 2: two cycles, he can now say to people, will I'm

752
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 2: running the defense in New England, Whereas now I think

753
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: there is a lot of well, what the heck is

754
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: it that you do around there, Trod? And I mean

755
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 2: that in a respectful way. I don't mean to say

756
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: he does nothing. I just think that a lot of

757
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: people on the outside have no clue what he actually

758
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: does in New England. And I think that that would

759
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 2: help his resume if he's not going to get a

760
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: real shot as a defensive coordinator or excuse me, as

761
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 2: a head coach someplace else. This cycle. I think it

762
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,400
Speaker 2: would really help his resume to serve as a defensive

763
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Speaker 2: coordinator under somebody, and at that point, why not to

764
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Speaker 2: stay here and do it under Fable?

765
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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 5: Right?

767
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Speaker 2: With that being said, I understand the other side of it,

768
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Speaker 2: and I think it goes back to what we said

769
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Speaker 2: at the beginning of the show. Is there a way

770
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Speaker 2: that one of them probably vable? But maybe Mayo would

771
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: be open to this too. One of them kicks upstairs

772
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: and is the president of football operations of the New

773
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: England Patriots, and one of them is the head coach.

774
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Speaker 2: And I look at it and it's not a perfect comparison,

775
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 2: but the one comparison we said cam Neely and the

776
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: Bruins earlier. Yeah, I also think that there's some parallels

777
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: here with the Celtics. Because of the Celtics, Brad Stevens

778
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: is obviously the president of basketball operations and they have

779
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Speaker 2: a young head coach in Joe Missoula, who frankly probably

780
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 2: wasn't ready for the job, right like that, Like that

781
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 2: just is the reality of it. But because they had

782
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Speaker 2: a guy in the building in Brad Stevens who was

783
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Speaker 2: a head coach, he can help hold Joe Mizzoula's hand

784
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Speaker 2: through some of the difficult.

785
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Speaker 1: It's a little different because the in game coaching is

786
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,560
Speaker 1: more holds much more weight in the NFL, you know.

787
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: To an extent. I mean there's definitely in game coaching

788
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: in the NBA too, though.

789
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: Well, Joe Mizzoula screws up a random game in November whatever,

790
00:38:59,160 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: you know.

791
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: But the point being is that I think it would

792
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 2: really help a Girrodd Mayo to have somebody upstairs who

793
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: was a head coach and knows what.

794
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,359
Speaker 1: I think that helps either way, regardless of the verbel thing.

795
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: Could that be Bill O'Brien because he's already in the building,

796
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: or even Josh McDaniels.

797
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 2: In terms of like him, just so Bill O'Brien is

798
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: gonna it would be running the offense, right, Like, you're

799
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Speaker 2: not making Bill O'Brien person out.

800
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Speaker 1: No, but no, no, no, But I'm saying, like, there's

801
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: there needs to be an you want an experienced head

802
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: coach working with Mayo. And if it's not, my point is,

803
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: if it's not, even if it's not Rabel upstairs, like

804
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: that on its own, that conversation of getting a veteran

805
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 1: coach in the building matters.

806
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that maybe Bill O'Brien is the

807
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 2: guy that you're describing, because I know you to stick

808
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: with football and not keep crossing sports like the Rams,

809
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 2: for example, in the beginning of Sean mcvay's tenure in

810
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,600
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, had Wade Phillips as their defensive coordinator, so

811
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: Sean McVay did not didn't touch the defense like that way.

812
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 2: Phillips was the head coach of the defense, right and

813
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 2: here it would be Bill O'Brien being the head coach

814
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 2: of the offense, Gerrod running the defense, and that that

815
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,439
Speaker 2: would be you know, he Girod in other words, would

816
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: not have to be wearing all the hats. He would

817
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 2: only be wearing some of the hats of being the

818
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,799
Speaker 2: head coach. You know, maybe that that's possible. And I

819
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 2: think that they do have an experienced coordinator like Bill

820
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 2: O'Brien already in house and under contract that fits that

821
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: mold of what you're describing.

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Speaker 1: So to the other part from the caller, Yeah, here's

823
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Speaker 1: the here's what's interesting. If can we move to rabel

824
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Speaker 1: or do you have any more scenarios where it's you

825
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 1: can move through. Does Bill O'Brien work for Mike Rabel.

826
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Speaker 1: Remember Rabel worked for him, would be in Houston a

827
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Speaker 1: little bit. I don't know. It must have happened at

828
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Speaker 1: some point. Yeah, We're like head coach had a guy

829
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Speaker 1: work for him, and then later that coach works for it.

830
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: You get what I'm saying. But does does bringing Vrabel

831
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Speaker 1: back me and O'Brien's out.

832
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily think so, but I think you know

833
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,160
Speaker 2: the more the reason is is that I to be honest,

834
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 2: after the season that the Patriots offense just had, how

835
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: many opportunities?

836
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: Does Bill look I'm good either way? I'm good either

837
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,800
Speaker 1: So it was basically just to set up because the

838
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: big question with both of these guys. We know the

839
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: Patriots defense is talented. Yeah, we know Mayo and Mike

840
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: Vrabel are both good defensive coaches. Probably gonna keep some continuity,

841
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: Like you have a pretty good idea of what the

842
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: defense is going to look like the offense. There's no

843
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: way of knowing really what Gerd Mayo's offensive philosophies are

844
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: for us. I mean, they'll he'll be asked about it,

845
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: I would hope. Yeah, Mike Rabel, we probably don't know,

846
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: but we have a little bit to go on, which

847
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: is the offense that was being run under him in Tennessee.

848
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 1: He was the head coach. He clearly signed off on it.

849
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: His first hire was some of it. Well I'm saying

850
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: the scheme. Yeah, he wanted to keep aj Brown, that's

851
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: been pretty well documented. Yeah. But his first hire Matt Lafleur.

852
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: That's a pure Shanahan guy. So is Smith for and

853
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: then so here's I can't get a grasp on what

854
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith's offense is. Henry he's a West Coast cost okay,

855
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: but like so so, but he is Shanny Hanny Yep.

856
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: How would you feel about because I've seen my.

857
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,240
Speaker 2: So the floor if I remember correctly, Yeah, I don't.

858
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 2: I think it was in Tennessee, but it might have

859
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 2: been someplace else because if Able wasn't there for all

860
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: that long. Uh well, the floor was only with him

861
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 2: for one year, right, But excuse me, Arthur Smith. Arthur

862
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 2: Smith was a tight ends coach first, and that that's

863
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: a pretty that's a common track, like Sean coach. But

864
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 2: my point is is that Arthur Smith was in the

865
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 2: Shanahan tree. Like Arthur Smith is a a a Shanahan.

866
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: What was Tennessee running before Rabel.

867
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: Oh God, now we're going because he was there.

868
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 1: He was there. Going back to twenty eleven Rabel No Smith.

869
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 2: Oh uh, I would have to go back and look

870
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 2: at who their their their coaches were at that point.

871
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 1: I meant to look this up earlier. Hang on, I'll

872
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,959
Speaker 1: tell you because in theory Smith was only under uh

873
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: A Shanahan, Guy Free or Terry Rubisky. Yeah, the name

874
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 1: doesn't sound Jason Michael that these were offensive coordinators for

875
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: the Titans. Yeah, Dowell Leganus, Dalla Loggins, Doll logs So

876
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: and Chris Palmer. Those were the ocs he worked for before.

877
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 2: I honestly am not very familiar with any of those

878
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: people's lineages, but I do know that Arthur Smith ran

879
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: a very similar system to what Lafleur was trying to do,

880
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 2: and then also ran that same system with with the Palins.

881
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's just more of like a power based

882
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,400
Speaker 1: it's Shanahan okay. Uh. The difference is it Shanahan is

883
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 1: McVay Shanahan.

884
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 2: I would say under center, uh, you know, outside zone based,

885
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 2: wide zone based scheme, uh with you know, inside zone duo.

886
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: But to get downhill off of it, I think The

887
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,560
Speaker 2: one thing about Rabel that he gets talked about a lot,

888
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: and we've talked about it on PU that he's you know,

889
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 2: he's still cut from the same cloth as Bill. Where

890
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: he wants to win game seventeen to fourteen. He wants

891
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 2: to build tough football teams. He wants to run the ball,

892
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 2: play good defense. Like all those things that have I

893
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: think caught up the Bill a little bit. Are we

894
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: entirely sure that that's what he really wanted to do?

895
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 2: Or when he got to Tennessee he just had Derrick Henry,

896
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 2: who was the best running back in football, and he

897
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 2: just said, well, this is our best player on offense.

898
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,279
Speaker 2: So the best thing for us to do is to

899
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 2: build an under center, play action, run heavy offense because

900
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: we have Derrick Henry. Like if he had inherited a team,

901
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 2: My point is, like, if he had inherited a team

902
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 2: that was that had a roster like the Kansas City

903
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: Chiefs and you have Patrick Mahomes, is Mike Frable gonna

904
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 2: still throw the ball twenty times a game.

905
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: That's what he did. Then what I would say is,

906
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: and I noticed, by the way in the last show

907
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: I say too much. What I would say in my point,

908
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: if you want to play along, maybe have a beverage

909
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: m on Rabel's offense. Yes, that was maybe that's why

910
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: when he got to Tennessee he said, all right, it's

911
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: already well, we don't know that. Who was it before,

912
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: uh Lafleur. We just look Terry Robisky, so we don't know.

913
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 1: Maybe he made a point to hire Laflair. All right,

914
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: it worked for him in Tennessee. He ran that offense,

915
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: his team ran that offense, and it worked. So maybe

916
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 1: at this point now he goes, hey, I know this

917
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: is what works. So this is what I'm gonna bring

918
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,520
Speaker 1: with me. Even if he wouldn't have had that thought

919
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: when he started in Tennessee and he just went with

920
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: what was there, maybe his plans al right, I'm gonna

921
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: go try to get you know, try to rebuild the

922
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 1: kind of offense head. I'm gonna go try to get an

923
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: AJ Brown. I'm gonna go try to get a Derrick Henry.

924
00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: Maybe it is Derek Henry. As much as you're gonna

925
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: roll your eyes at that.

926
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: A thirty year old Derrick Henry, that's what we're doing.

927
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: I would kill him for that.

928
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: You know that, Okay, but you get my point though, right, Like,

929
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: if he comes here, I'm not totally against the idea

930
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,759
Speaker 1: of him trying to put back getting the offense. He

931
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: had prime years in Tennessee, not last year, the Will

932
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: Levis whatever that mess was. I'm talking Aj Brown, Derrick Henry,

933
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: when they had Ryan Tannehill looking like a pro bowler.

934
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: John new Smith. Yeah, honestly, yes, maybe I'm actually John

935
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 1: new Smith, but.

936
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 2: I said that, like, not as a joke. Smith was

937
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 2: many time.

938
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: So we talk about part of the reason John new

939
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: Smith doesn't work here, didn't work here as the usage.

940
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: And speaking of which, you know who had a really

941
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: good year playing for Arthur Smith. Yeah, because playing for Tennessee,

942
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: right is John new Smith. So yeah, I'm not opposed

943
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: bring him back. John Hu.

944
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 2: We just we fixed it. We fixed the Patriots offense.

945
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,400
Speaker 2: Bring back one of the worst free agents. Answer m

946
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: Lazar's answer to losing Bill Belichick is to bring back

947
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: John new Smith. Printed headline. I'm not opposed of Rabel

948
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 2: bringing that offense with him to New England, is my point.

949
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 1: I am, But I don't.

950
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 2: I'm not married to the fact that that's truly how

951
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:57,479
Speaker 2: Rabel would want to build an.

952
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,839
Speaker 1: You'd be opposed to them installing the Shanahan offense here,

953
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: You be opposed to Arthur Smith being the os no.

954
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 2: I I would be opposed to them running an offense

955
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 2: that they ran in Tennessee.

956
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the exact offense. It's not it's not

957
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: a scheme thing. It's a philosophy. So I'm not saying

958
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 1: the exact offense. I'm saying bringing Arthur Smith in and

959
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: trying to recreate that with the pieces they have in

960
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 1: place they didn't have in Tennessee. A guy like to

961
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: Mario Douglas.

962
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: I am opposed to any in all options that makes

963
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 2: you a run first football team. I I just don't

964
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 2: want that. I don't want to.

965
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: The Niners are run first. The run.

966
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: The Niners are their own thing. You can't like we can't.

967
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: But that's relating, that's what we're talking.

968
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 2: No, but the Niners run it in the like the

969
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: Niners are are. It's I you can't always like I

970
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 2: can't do that with the Niners like the Niners have Deebo,

971
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: Samuel Brandon, Aiyuk, George Kittle.

972
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: CRITI, mcat isn't that why isn't that why you don't.

973
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: Need the Avengers to play the forty nine ers offense.

974
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,440
Speaker 2: In sure, I will, I will run, But it.

975
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 1: Wasn't disappoint of moving on from Bill Belichick at the

976
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: play your personnel has not been good enough in the

977
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:02,920
Speaker 1: ideas they're gonna start having better players.

978
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just think that the mindset of this,

979
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 2: it's a philosophy thing, right, Like, I don't care about

980
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 2: the scheme right now, believe it or not. The philosophy

981
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 2: of the Patriots organization moving forward offensively has to be

982
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,800
Speaker 2: what Nick Sabin said ten years ago and that coaching clinic.

983
00:48:21,120 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: We need to be able to outscore teams. The reason

984
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 2: why the Patriots are in the position that they're in

985
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 2: is because they prioritized winning football games seventeen to fourteen.

986
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 2: They they draft three picks in the top one hundred

987
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,760
Speaker 2: on defense. They spend all their money on the defensive

988
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 2: side of the ball. They have all sorts of depth

989
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: on defense. You know why the Patriots alex were able

990
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: to stay afloat on defense with all the injuries that

991
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: they haven't had set because they actually built the defense. Okay, right,

992
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: so like, but that's the point. If the organization doesn't change,

993
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: it's philosophy.

994
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: To we need to.

995
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: Yes, you need to be able to win football in

996
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 2: different ways, right, you can't just be a one trick pony.

997
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: But until the organization gets back to a point where

998
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 2: they can win a shootout and they can outscore people,

999
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 2: they are not going to win football games at a

1000
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 2: high level. They're just not like that. That's the bottom line.

1001
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 2: So everything needs to be quarterback, receiver, tackle like that

1002
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 2: needs to be the emphasis. Now, how Arthur Smith or

1003
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: Bill O'Brien cooks it up once they get those pieces

1004
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 2: is up to that night.

1005
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 1: So hang on a couple things. First off, you said,

1006
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: all right, they need to be able to want a shootout.

1007
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,280
Speaker 1: Arthur Smith's three years in Tennessee finished tenth, and scoring

1008
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: finished fourth, and scoring finished fifteenth in scoring.

1009
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: Correct, But they were built Derrick Henry. Out of all

1010
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: the arguments that we've had about running back value and

1011
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 2: stuff like that over the last decade in the NFL,

1012
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 2: the only running back that you can correlate play action

1013
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 2: success to this person's on the field is Derrick Henry.

1014
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 2: Like he's the only running back that truly that truly

1015
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: matters look like honestly.

1016
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 1: So to get back to it, yes or no, Arthur

1017
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:06,759
Speaker 1: Smith is oc you would be in on that, yes

1018
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: or no.

1019
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 2: Not my first choice, but I understand it. Yes I would.

1020
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: I would probably rather him be on the staff.

1021
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:24,360
Speaker 1: Arthur's not Arthur Smith or Bill O'Brien. Who's the quarterback?

1022
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: They're picking the quarterback like you're hiring your offense coordinator

1023
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: helped pick the quarterback.

1024
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: I'd say Bill O'Brien, okay, because I think Bill O'Brien's

1025
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 2: background is in quarterback.

1026
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: All right, you know what, Jane Daniels, Jane Daniels is

1027
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: the quarterback, Bill O'Brien, okay, Arthur Smith or Josh McDaniels. McDaniels,

1028
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: you know, I like it. So you don't want Arthur Smith.

1029
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: Not really right.

1030
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 2: It's not like though I wouldn't like Riot if they

1031
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:55,239
Speaker 2: hired Arthur Smith. But I think that in a lot

1032
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 2: of ways. You know, Arthur Smith's offense for example, like

1033
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,000
Speaker 2: just because this is what we're gonna be doing for

1034
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,880
Speaker 2: the next until they hire somebody. Arthur Smith's offense I

1035
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: think would work really well with Drake may Like I

1036
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 2: think a quarterback like Drake.

1037
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: Mayne Hilly, I could see.

1038
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: That that could just that that could chuck it off

1039
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 2: play action that could move around off bootlegs and things

1040
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 2: like that a little bit.

1041
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: Uh that that could then.

1042
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 2: On third down just get us a first down, right,

1043
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,759
Speaker 2: Like you know he could do those types of things. U.

1044
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: That that's I think a lot of like what Arthur's. Yeah,

1045
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 2: he is a little bit Tannehilly, Like I think the

1046
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 2: ceiling is higher in terms of like being consistent for

1047
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 2: a longer period of time.

1048
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 3: Uh.

1049
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: But Tannehill athlete.

1050
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,759
Speaker 2: You know did you know that Ryan Tannehill used to

1051
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 2: play wide receiver Alex right, people heard that, So, you know,

1052
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 2: like athlete like that.

1053
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:44,800
Speaker 1: Type of guy. Jayden Daniels.

1054
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: What I find interesting about Jayden Daniels for for Bill

1055
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: O'Brien is like, is Jadeen Daniels at this stage of

1056
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 2: his career that much different than what Deshaun Watson was

1057
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 2: at the beginning in Houston? And Sean Watson's best ears

1058
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: were with Bill O'Brien. Like, did Bill Brien made Deshaun

1059
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 2: Watson a franchise quarterback? Now, maybe Deshaun Watson would have

1060
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,720
Speaker 2: gotten there on his own anyways, because he's that talented.

1061
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: But the point is is that Bill O'Brien did a

1062
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,759
Speaker 2: really good job with Deshaun Watson in Houston. So I

1063
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't mind handing Jayden Daniels off to Bill O'Brien.

1064
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 1: I wouldn't.

1065
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: He also did a really good job with Bryce Young

1066
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 2: in Alabama, right, So.

1067
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: Okay, I heard Bryce sunk. For a second, I was like,

1068
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: who's doing a good job?

1069
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: So I think that Bill O'Brien can coach those kind

1070
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: of guys, and I don't know that I'm not. I

1071
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: think that Arthur Smith has some things going for him.

1072
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: I would love Arthur Smith on the staff. Like if

1073
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 2: Arthur Smith was a tight ends coach or something like

1074
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,760
Speaker 2: that on Bill O'Brien's staff, then I'll take the brain power,

1075
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,439
Speaker 2: right Like I'll take a guy that's been an oc

1076
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,960
Speaker 2: in an head coach any day of the week. What

1077
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 2: did you make of I don't take some more calls

1078
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 2: in a second, but yeah, what did you make of

1079
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: McDaniels being here today? Because that, to me looks like

1080
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: a guy that sitching his wagon to Bill Belichick.

1081
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 1: Bill goes next to McDaniels. I thought he was here

1082
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: for Bill. Yeah, I thought he was here for.

1083
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 2: Bill, not only like he followed as soon as Bill

1084
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,120
Speaker 2: left the podium, he like left with Bill's people like to.

1085
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 1: Like goea to get on the plane to go to Atlanta, Yeah,

1086
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: wherever the hell they're going.

1087
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: The point being is that Josh McDaniels is I don't

1088
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: think that. I think we can pretty safely rule Josh

1089
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: McDaniels out as a coach here. I think that he's

1090
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 2: as the head coach like I think he's I think

1091
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 2: the Crafts like him too, and I think he likes

1092
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 2: the Crafts and maybe i'd imagine Bill will want but

1093
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 2: maybe the Crafts get competitive there.

1094
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: That's what's gonna be interesting. There's a handful of guys

1095
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Covington, Josh McDaniels, that might be it. Maybe there's

1096
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,720
Speaker 1: some front office guys that you could realistically see Bill

1097
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: bid against the Crafts. Four Yeah, and again, I don't

1098
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:55,439
Speaker 1: think that that's Like you said, most of the guys

1099
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: are gonna go Bill because they're his guys. I'm trying

1100
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: to think. I'll tell my head, is there anybody else

1101
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: really that fits? While am I blaying on his name?

1102
00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: Front office? Hi state for Cam Williams.

1103
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 2: Williams, I could see Cam Williams day, Well, what.

1104
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: If Bill wants to me in the craft want I'm

1105
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: saying there's gonna be a couple of guy we may

1106
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:13,480
Speaker 1: not know.

1107
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of those guys in the

1108
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,840
Speaker 2: front office because this is just usually how it works,

1109
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 2: and I think people should prepare for this as well.

1110
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 2: Guys like Cameron Williams are a college scouting director. For

1111
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 2: people that don't know Cameron Williams, Guys like that usually

1112
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: stay on through the draft because you can't just like

1113
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: start a whole new board.

1114
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: And get doing so much prep. Yeah, those guys coaching

1115
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: the scouting seasons very different. The scouting timelines hur right.

1116
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 2: So usually guys like Cameron Williams and like the regional scouts,

1117
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 2: the national scouts, people like that, they'll stay on through

1118
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 2: the draft and then if their contracts are up or

1119
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 2: if the new GM wants to hire his own people

1120
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 2: in May, those guys will will move on and that's

1121
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 2: when the GM will bring in all of his guys.

1122
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 2: But no matter who the GM is, whether it's John Robinson,

1123
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: Adam Peters, or somebody totally outside the tree, the next

1124
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 2: guy is probably going to be working with the current

1125
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: Patriots college scouting staff on that.

1126
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: And that doesn't necessarily mean the same draft approach.

1127
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: No, it just means that they're they're they've already done

1128
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:20,160
Speaker 2: all the homework.

1129
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: So and the reality is too. If it's somebody like Adam.

1130
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: Peters, yeah, he's been doing it all he's.

1131
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: Been doing it in San Francisco. So it's just yeah,

1132
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:33,399
Speaker 1: it's not every single scout being fired. Doesn't mean that

1133
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you know, the approach is gonna

1134
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 1: be the same. Yep, all right, Patty is an aga?

1135
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 1: What's up the way? Adam Peters?

1136
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: Right, Adam, I don't know, Patty? Are you there?

1137
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm here, guys, Yep, we got you. What's up?

1138
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 3: All right? I hope you'll give me a little bit

1139
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 3: of a vine. I'll try and make it as quick

1140
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 3: as I possibly can. I want to propose question that

1141
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 3: I don't think anyone's brought up. And I got to

1142
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 3: give you some guys some crops at the end too.

1143
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,960
Speaker 3: But first off, Alex, I think Marquis Hill was the

1144
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: player you're thinking of a net and the two thousand.

1145
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: Oh you might be right, it was oh four, you're right,

1146
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: you're right.

1147
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,800
Speaker 3: So the late Marquis Hill, Yeah, because he was he

1148
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: was telling them the situation. You know, they're backed up.

1149
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,120
Speaker 3: You know, you jump offside to give them five yards

1150
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:21,359
Speaker 3: if they if they jump, you're giving them like an inch.

1151
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 3: You know, it shows them an inch.

1152
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, he hold his fingers up. He goes, how much

1153
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: did they get that much?

1154
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,439
Speaker 3: That much? Yeah? I got nothing bad to say about Bill.

1155
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 3: I know I've been complaining about him for a little bit,

1156
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,359
Speaker 3: but you know, the guy's the legend. Whoever comes in,

1157
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 3: whether it's Frable may or whoever it's it's a tough

1158
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 3: fact to follow, you know. And you know, personally, I

1159
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 3: think I think the time was right. I think how

1160
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 3: they handled it was the exact way that they should

1161
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: have handled it. Yeah, I know that there's going to

1162
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 3: be stands clamoring for you know, they want picks, they

1163
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: want this, and they want that. You know, there's nothing

1164
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 3: to me. There was nothing better than to see them

1165
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: handle it in a mature and responsible way. As far

1166
00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 3: as like draft goes, I Jays Daniels go out. I

1167
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,600
Speaker 3: want one of those two guys. I'm not sold on

1168
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 3: anybody else minus maybe like Caleb Williams. But just to

1169
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 3: get back to Bill too, do you guys think here's

1170
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 3: the question, do you think that this the year the

1171
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 3: twenty twenty year puts such a bad case in Bill's

1172
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 3: now of having a losing record, even though it was

1173
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 3: seven and nine in one game below five hundred, that

1174
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 3: he became a little too impatient coming into.

1175
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 5: The twenty twenty one season.

1176
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 3: And here's where I'm going, instead of feeling like, oh,

1177
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,720
Speaker 3: I need the pressures on me, I got it. I

1178
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 3: gotta win. I gotta win now, I gotta win this year,

1179
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 3: and basically revamping almost the entire team, mostly on offense.

1180
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 3: You know, they could have resigned Joe Tooney to a

1181
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 3: big deal. They could have maybe instead of getting Mac Jones,

1182
00:57:56,560 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 3: traded up and gotten a guy like the prototypical bell

1183
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 3: Phil Belichick defensive player Michael Parsons and maybe been a

1184
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 3: little bit patient on on trying to find like that

1185
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 3: guy the next dude at quarterback. And Alex you called it.

1186
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 3: You called it on on TV when you said when

1187
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:18,960
Speaker 3: the timeline on how you thought it was going to happen,

1188
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 3: You know how you thought that they would sit and

1189
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 3: meet for a couple of days and Thursday morning something

1190
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,680
Speaker 3: was gonna happen. You're right, and Evan, you would better

1191
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 3: be a Patriots wifer that that's.

1192
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, uh.

1193
00:58:34,560 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 3: I, I you, I better be stuck with you and

1194
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 3: Alex if you're if your contract runs up, I hope

1195
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,959
Speaker 3: to hell that you're You joined the dot com team

1196
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:46,480
Speaker 3: because it is the best team. It's aside from you

1197
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:50,959
Speaker 3: know you guys, it's you guys are the only guys

1198
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 3: that I listened to. I love listening to Patriots unfiltered.

1199
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 3: I love listening to the dynamic that that you guys have,

1200
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 3: even before you you know, you start to catch twenty

1201
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 3: two on TV. But man, it's an end of an era.

1202
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 3: We should we every Patriots fan should be celebrating it.

1203
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 3: And one thing I'm not worried about is I am

1204
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 3: not worried about the craft. You know, I lived through

1205
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 3: terrible ownership with the Soulivans and James or the line

1206
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 3: and fix their freakin cay am. Whatever direction they decide

1207
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 3: to go in, I know it's going to be a

1208
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 3: positive one. And if it doesn't work, if it's not

1209
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: working after a few years, they're smart enough to know

1210
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 3: when to move on. That's all I got, guys, keep

1211
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: up the great work.

1212
00:59:34,680 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 2: Thanks Patty, thanks for the call. We always appreciate you call.

1213
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm not going anywhere either, Yeah, you know where did

1214
00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: the paal Perillo and Fred Kurrish, you know path right now?

1215
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: Right like we're gonna be here until they kick us out.

1216
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: So a couple of things there. You know, I agree

1217
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 2: one hundred percent that I would rather this than get

1218
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty four twenty twenty five third round pick

1219
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,440
Speaker 2: for Bill from Atlanta, right like I I would much

1220
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 2: rather them end amicably, end on good terms. And I

1221
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 2: thought today, you know, one of the other things that

1222
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: we that I mentioned him mentioned earlier that we didn't uh.

1223
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 2: Nicole Yang from The Globe asked Robert Kraft if they

1224
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: considered taking GM personnel power away from Bill and Can

1225
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,360
Speaker 2: but retaining Bill as the head coach, and Robert Kraft

1226
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: said that they did consider that and then just said

1227
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 2: that he didn't think it would work.

1228
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: And I think he's right, Yeah, it just would have.

1229
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: And he kind of said, to paraphrase, but he kind

1230
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: of said, when you have somebody who's had all this

1231
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: power and you take it away and give it to

1232
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 1: somebody else, it creates a power and balance and a

1233
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 1: lack of accountability. And he's exactly right, because we talked

1234
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: about this, Evan, if you take it away from Bill

1235
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: and give it to Dave Ziegler, Matt grow What happens

1236
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: when they do something Bill doesn't want? Are they going

1237
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: to say no, put their foot down? Or is Bill

1238
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: ultimately gonna get what he wants? And on the answer

1239
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: about trading, I thought that was fantastic. And Robert even said,

1240
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: fans are gonna be mad at me for this, and

1241
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: some will. And I understand why.

1242
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: Some people are still mad. They didn't get anything for

1243
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 2: Brady right, and.

1244
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,240
Speaker 1: He mentioned that he said that in his answers. I

1245
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: was very surprised that, compared to the culture we want

1246
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: to build, Tom Brady earned the right to decide what's

1247
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 1: best for him and we gave him that. Bill Belichick

1248
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: earned a right. And this is something, honestly, this was

1249
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 1: for a long time a Bill Belichick tenant with the

1250
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: players they paid were the guy It's not just were

1251
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:32,200
Speaker 1: you the best player? Did you carry yourself the way

1252
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: they wanted you to carry yourself? And I think part

1253
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: of the reason things started going downhill was that went away.

1254
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,760
Speaker 1: They were like Joe Tooney is a perfect example the

1255
01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: kind of guy that we looked at and said, that's

1256
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,640
Speaker 1: the guy that Patriots pay Steph Gilmour was another one.

1257
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: That's the guy that Patriots always pay, and they didn't

1258
01:01:48,640 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: and that so I would I have loved for them

1259
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: to get another pick. Yes, do I think they could

1260
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: have got another pick? Yes, I might have done it.

1261
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 1: But I absolutely understand where Robert crafts coming from an

1262
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: air respective.

1263
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 2: They he Bill Belichick just like Brady as as RKK said,

1264
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 2: they Oh, they earned their own free agency. They earned

1265
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 2: the right to to be able to pick their next

1266
01:02:12,600 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 2: destination and to be able to weigh their options and

1267
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 2: look at all the options on the table and choose

1268
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:19,600
Speaker 2: where they want to go next. And I will never

1269
01:02:19,640 --> 01:02:22,640
Speaker 2: hold that against him in either case, that that they

1270
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 2: did it that way on on the rebuilt, you know,

1271
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,560
Speaker 2: for this last time, right the first time I have

1272
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 2: come to the real, you know, kind of side of

1273
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 2: the of the fence here that I actually think that

1274
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: what Patty was sort of saying, I think was that

1275
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 2: they did go for the quick fix in twenty twenty one. Yeah,

1276
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: they paid a bunch of people in free agency that

1277
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: outside of Matthew Judon and I get you know, Hunter

1278
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:51,920
Speaker 2: Henry has been a good Patriot. I think Devon Godshow

1279
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 2: has been a good Patriot for the most Kendrick Bourne.

1280
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,320
Speaker 2: It's not that they've they went belly up on all

1281
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 2: the decisions, right, But really, outside of Matthew Judon, that

1282
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: entire spending spree didn't really land any blue chip players.

1283
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 2: It just those guys are just not blue chip guys.

1284
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 2: Like they're not they're they're they're good starters, but they're

1285
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 2: not blue chip guys. And like Robert Kraft said at

1286
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 2: the time, most of the time, this is not a

1287
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 2: sustainable model for success. And what happened was is they

1288
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 2: spent all that money in free agency in twenty one,

1289
01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:30,040
Speaker 2: they draft the quarterback in the first round, and frankly,

1290
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 2: they stopped at that point. They stopped, and all they

1291
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: were trying to do was Okay, yeah, we're gonna throw

1292
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 2: the draft classes on top, right, But all they were

1293
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 2: trying to do in terms of the rest of the

1294
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:46,720
Speaker 2: roster was stay you know, tread water. When they lose

1295
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 2: the guard, you know, they lose Shaq Mason, they lose

1296
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 2: Ted Carriss, so they draft col Strange. In the last

1297
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 2: off season, they lose Jakobe Meyer, so they signed Just

1298
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:56,160
Speaker 2: Stopps Michigan.

1299
01:03:56,320 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: It stopped being additions and became replacements they added into

1300
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: after that. What move did they make? There's honestly only

1301
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: one that comes to mind. It's Super minor. What move

1302
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 1: did they make to add a player rather than replace

1303
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: a player they lost? The one I can think of

1304
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: is Mikeasiki He was their biggest edition.

1305
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 2: Well but they yeah, but I don't know, I mean

1306
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: Mikeasicki was replacing John Smith.

1307
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: Actually, are right?

1308
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 2: So they could they continue to just plug holes at

1309
01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: that point, right, they would create a hole in the boat,

1310
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 2: and then they would plug a hole in the boat,

1311
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 2: and they would create another hole in the boat, and

1312
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 2: they had plug a hole in the boat. And I

1313
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: think that that all relates back to the fact that

1314
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 2: they spent a record amount of money in twenty twenty one,

1315
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 2: and they weren't going to keep spending at that rate. So, Bill,

1316
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 2: you talked about last year, and I know this, this

1317
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,439
Speaker 2: this quote got how much run on your station right

1318
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:51,680
Speaker 2: about about the cash spending. And when Bill talked about

1319
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:53,720
Speaker 2: the cash spending last year, he said that we look

1320
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:57,120
Speaker 2: at it in three year increments. So twenty twenty one

1321
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 2: basically wiped them out from being big spenders in twenty

1322
01:05:01,240 --> 01:05:04,960
Speaker 2: two and twenty three, simply just because they spent a

1323
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 2: record amount in that time, so they look at it

1324
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,440
Speaker 2: as a three year budget, So now we need to

1325
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,720
Speaker 2: spread the money out over a course of three seasons.

1326
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 2: And at that point they had already spent their budget

1327
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, so they went for the

1328
01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 2: quick fix and it backfired. It wasn't sustainable. They had

1329
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 2: one okay season, one playoff appearance, got blown out in

1330
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,560
Speaker 2: the playoffs, and then a down year in twenty two

1331
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:33,640
Speaker 2: and then a catastrophic year in twenty three. And I

1332
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 2: think what they look at it now and they say

1333
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 2: the next thing needs to be more sustainable. And to

1334
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 2: you know Patty's other point bringing up Joe Alt and

1335
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:48,040
Speaker 2: bringing up Jayden Daniels, I still am team quarterback. I

1336
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 2: am going to be team quarterback. I think when you

1337
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 2: have the third overall pick in the draft, you only

1338
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: have so many opportunities. And this is the first time

1339
01:05:54,160 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 2: we've actually done the show since they've been locked into

1340
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 2: three yea, they have so many opportunities. You only have

1341
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: so many opportunities to pick that high, right, and the

1342
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: Patriots have it. Hopefully the Patriots will not be picking

1343
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:05,080
Speaker 2: this high next year.

1344
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: You only have so many opportunities with the quarterback class

1345
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 1: like this. Most quarterback classes don't.

1346
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 2: Look like this, right, so they have only have so

1347
01:06:11,040 --> 01:06:13,280
Speaker 2: many opportunities to land a guy like this, like a

1348
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels, Drake May one of those types of players.

1349
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 2: And I would take it. With that being said, if

1350
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:20,880
Speaker 2: you said to me that the best course of action

1351
01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 2: is actually to just keep building the best football players

1352
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: possible and taking a Joe Alt or taking an Olofish

1353
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 2: on him, I can't give my head around the receiver

1354
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 2: like I think the receivers to me are are a

1355
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 2: luxury pick at that point in the draft for a

1356
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:39,000
Speaker 2: team like the Patriots. But if you want to just say,

1357
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: all right, we're going to commit to the fact that

1358
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 2: this is going to be a three four year rebuild,

1359
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: we are going to commit to the fact that Joe

1360
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 2: Alt in the first round, it probably means that we're

1361
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: going to be picking again in the top ten of

1362
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: the draft next year. But we're gonna just keep on

1363
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 2: stacking the best football players possible so that eventually we're

1364
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 2: we're into a sustained model. Then I can sort of

1365
01:07:02,800 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 2: see that side of it. And if that's that's part

1366
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 2: of relates to Bill right, Like, that's not Bill's timeline, right,

1367
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 2: So I think that's that's another relation to this is

1368
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,040
Speaker 2: what I still go quarterback with the third overall pick.

1369
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 2: But if they went and went tackle and they said

1370
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 2: we're we're doing this because we're building the best roster

1371
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: possible over the next two or three years in this rebuild,

1372
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: I would understand that side of it.

1373
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,440
Speaker 1: They will, no matter what, have a chance to draft

1374
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: one of these three players. Caleb Williams, Joe Alt, Jane Daniels. Yeah,

1375
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 1: one of those three the other. And that's not to

1376
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: say they're gonna have a chance at Caleb, but yeah,

1377
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: in the off chance somebody else goes, you know where,

1378
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: I guess Drake Mayson there, I'm Efy, Jane Daniels, Joe Alt.

1379
01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: I think you come away with either of those. Maybe

1380
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: Drake mayfee falls. Those are those are your three options.

1381
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 2: Yep, all right, let's go back to the phone. Steve

1382
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 2: is in Denver. What's up, Steve?

1383
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:55,760
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

1384
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 1: Guys? Yes?

1385
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, first time, long time looking forward to draft

1386
01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 5: season and hearing you guys debate for four months on

1387
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 5: that two quick points, on that last point where you

1388
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 5: guys were talking about what to pick. I think if

1389
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 5: you look at the coaches that just got to let go,

1390
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 5: including Belichick, but you can look at Rabel, you can

1391
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 5: look at Pete Carroll, they're these They've gotten a quarterback, right.

1392
01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 5: A big reason is not that they didn't know how

1393
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 5: to coach. They couldn't score points. So I think you

1394
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:24,479
Speaker 5: got to go, got to go quarterback.

1395
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 3: And if you do.

1396
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 5: One of the questions I have for you, guys, you

1397
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:31,519
Speaker 5: were talking about scheme and Arthur Smith. If you look

1398
01:08:32,040 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 5: so I'm not mistaken, it looks like of the playoff

1399
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 5: teams Cleveland, Houston, Miami, Green Bay, La, Detroit, and Tampa

1400
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 5: Bay all run some version of the wide zone. And

1401
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 5: that's what quarterbacks like Baker Mayfield, Jared Goff and aging

1402
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 5: Stafford Jordan love a rookie in Houston and the carousel

1403
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:57,120
Speaker 5: that they've got now with Flaco uh in Cleveland. So so,

1404
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 5: knowing that if you're here Mayo, or if you're Rable,

1405
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:03,280
Speaker 5: and you know that your job security is based on

1406
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 5: scoring points and getting a rookie quarterback to score points

1407
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 5: for you, why wouldn't you go for some version of

1408
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 5: that scheme?

1409
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a good call. Steve.

1410
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the Shanahan's scheme, whatever you want to

1411
01:09:15,960 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 2: call it, the Shanahan scheme, the wide zone scheme, whatever

1412
01:09:18,240 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 2: you want to call it, there's no doubt about it

1413
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 2: that right now, that is the offense in the league.

1414
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: And I think a big reason why it's been so

1415
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 2: successful is that it's probably, from a quarterback perspective, the

1416
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 2: easiest offense to run because it's a very simplified. A

1417
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: lot of their reads are half field bootleg, two receiver

1418
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,479
Speaker 2: route reads down the field, off play action, and it's

1419
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 2: a very it's a simple scheme to operate as a quarterback.

1420
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 2: And I think that that's why it's it's so successful.

1421
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: To the callers first point about looking at and it's

1422
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:55,639
Speaker 1: really interesting and I hadn't thought about it this way,

1423
01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: but to the people who say, you find the quarterback

1424
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 1: later in the and this kind of goes out to

1425
01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: your point of making it easy for the quarterback, But

1426
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: why not make it easy for a quarterback that's, you know,

1427
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: a more blue chip prospect just to go through the

1428
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 1: the job openings as they stand right now. Washington, yep

1429
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:16,160
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera never invested highly in a quarterback, Yeah, never,

1430
01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 1: I think Sam Hallell was what a third or fourth

1431
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:18,439
Speaker 1: round pack.

1432
01:10:18,479 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 2: Even later I think, But didn't he go after Big

1433
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:21,439
Speaker 2: Bailey's appy?

1434
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 1: He did? You're right, yeah, Seattle, Yeah, never used a

1435
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:26,880
Speaker 1: high investment in a quarterback. I mean it's a little

1436
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,680
Speaker 1: different because Pete Carroll did at one point. But in

1437
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 1: the in the last years, Arthur Smith, you could argue,

1438
01:10:31,120 --> 01:10:34,160
Speaker 1: what did him in? Like they they built up a

1439
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 1: pretty solid roster, but they never like Desmond Ritter was

1440
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: never that was the that was their next move. But

1441
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 1: sometimes you don't get there. It's what have you done

1442
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: for me lately? Business?

1443
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:46,080
Speaker 3: Uh?

1444
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 1: The Chargers Brandon Sailor is terrible. Raiders, Oh whoa what?

1445
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,799
Speaker 1: No Raiders invested in a quarterback, but it was Jimmy Garoppolo,

1446
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: So never really invested.

1447
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 2: In real that was probably their next step.

1448
01:10:56,840 --> 01:10:59,639
Speaker 1: Also. And the Titans, yeah, never really invested in a quarterback.

1449
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: Any of the Panthers, who are their own thing. But

1450
01:11:02,960 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: I mean that's what. So there's seven that's not including

1451
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots. Patriots are honestly the one example of a

1452
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,360
Speaker 1: team that did and it still didn't work out. But

1453
01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: of the seven openings outside of the Patriots, five of

1454
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: them are you could argue the main reason it's not

1455
01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,880
Speaker 1: working out is they never made that premium investment in

1456
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: a quarterback. It's just what you. I know, it's scary,

1457
01:11:23,479 --> 01:11:25,680
Speaker 1: as we played off the top of the show. I

1458
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,560
Speaker 1: know it's scary, and you to your point. And I

1459
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:31,160
Speaker 1: watched that show back last week, and I killed myself

1460
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: for not saying this to you. As much as you

1461
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 1: can relatively be sure about a prospect, Yep, you gotta.

1462
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 1: You gotta take the jump because that's where you are

1463
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: right now, and I'm starting. You know, I don't think

1464
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying it. I'm trying. So here's the one other

1465
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 1: thing I know. I appreciate you for trying. The one

1466
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: other thing I wish i'd said when I watched that

1467
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: debate back we had last week that I didn't And

1468
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,760
Speaker 1: maybe it's kind of I don't know some people would.

1469
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,639
Speaker 1: Can I go back and watch the film and see

1470
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:03,320
Speaker 1: how I can improve? You think I don't? I do that.

1471
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,519
Speaker 1: Like I said, I learned a lot for Bill Belichick.

1472
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 2: Hear the son voice.

1473
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: I hate it. I've I've learned to kind of put

1474
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:13,120
Speaker 1: up with it in order to approve. I don't know

1475
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:18,280
Speaker 1: where this stands now is is Jade and Daniels at

1476
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,160
Speaker 1: three an overdraft, is it not? I don't know. What

1477
01:12:22,240 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: I would say is if you go back and look,

1478
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:28,439
Speaker 1: people kind of rip the Chiefs for drafting Patrick Mahomes

1479
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 1: too high. Yeah, if you draft, listen, if you draft

1480
01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:38,280
Speaker 1: the right guy, nobody's gonna care. If you draft the

1481
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:41,400
Speaker 1: wrong guy. You drafted the wrong guy anyway, it doesn't

1482
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: matter where you took him. At the end of the day,

1483
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: it's all about where you draft. The Cornerback's kind of irrelevant.

1484
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: Did you draft the right cornerback? Yes or no? Drafting

1485
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 1: him high gives you a better chance because if you

1486
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 1: truly like there's no yes, we like Jadan Daniels better

1487
01:12:55,439 --> 01:12:57,400
Speaker 1: than Michael Prapp, we can get Michael Pratt on day three,

1488
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: no period. You like Jane Daniels better, you think he's

1489
01:13:00,120 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: better quarterback, stop or you know, we think Drake May

1490
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,720
Speaker 1: is the guy. If we can get up from three

1491
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: to two, we think Drake May is the guy. But

1492
01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:10,080
Speaker 1: we'll settle for no stop. No. If you believe in

1493
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:12,840
Speaker 1: the guy as much as you can realistically believe in

1494
01:13:12,840 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback prospect, that's your guy. You don't play games

1495
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: with it.

1496
01:13:16,439 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: Have some conviction, as Fred would tell.

1497
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 1: Me, basically, yeah, okay, and you know what, if you

1498
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 1: don't believe in any of them, you don't believe in

1499
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Speaker 1: any of them, and then it's Joe and I find

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01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:25,759
Speaker 1: it hard to believe. They won't believe Joel.

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01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 2: I know that this is this is Bill's day, right,

1502
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:29,719
Speaker 2: But I do want to talk about this a little

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01:13:29,720 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 2: bit because I am starting already, which is way ahead

1504
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 2: of schedule. So I'm happy about that in some ways.

1505
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm way ahead of schedule because the second

1506
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: half of the season meant nothing. But I am starting

1507
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 2: to kind of finalize my initial like tape grades or

1508
01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 2: I don't call it grades, like tape rankings whatever on

1509
01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 2: these quarterbacks. And I think the biggest thing to me

1510
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:55,559
Speaker 2: is that they all have some really really good strengths

1511
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:58,599
Speaker 2: to their game that I can get behind. It's sort

1512
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,800
Speaker 2: of just like which weaknesses do I want to live

1513
01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 2: with the.

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01:14:01,080 --> 01:14:03,040
Speaker 1: Most or are the most fixable?

1515
01:14:03,680 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 2: I would say live with, but yeah, fixable is a

1516
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,959
Speaker 2: good is another way of putting it, because.

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01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:10,760
Speaker 1: There's two kinds of issues. There's coachable issues and there's

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01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 1: not coaching.

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01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think for the most part, when you

1520
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 2: really start to break it down, most guys.

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01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 1: Mask weaknesses more.

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01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,680
Speaker 2: Than they improve weakenness, all right, fair, and I think

1523
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:27,640
Speaker 2: that with Drake May. The positive about Drake May is

1524
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:30,240
Speaker 2: that if they still want to be an offense that

1525
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,120
Speaker 2: wins inside the numbers and is the middle of the

1526
01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:37,719
Speaker 2: field based passing system, he is definitely the best passer

1527
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:40,040
Speaker 2: into the middle of the field in the in the draft.

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01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 2: I think just in terms of timing, uh, you know,

1529
01:14:44,479 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: velocity to access a seam throw, to access a deep post,

1530
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,320
Speaker 2: things like that matter, and just like a feel for

1531
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: middle of the field coverage. He's the best manipulator. Like

1532
01:14:55,479 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: when I watch him play, he's he's he's doing thoughtful

1533
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:03,280
Speaker 2: things right like where like he'll pump one way or

1534
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 2: show one way to get the defender out knowing that

1535
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,719
Speaker 2: he's coming back the other way, right Like those types

1536
01:15:08,720 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: of things. He does more of that thoughtful manipulation quarterback

1537
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,600
Speaker 2: stuff than the rest of these guys do. So I

1538
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 2: think if that's where they want to continue doing, then

1539
01:15:19,400 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: I think that he's probably the best bet for that.

1540
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 2: Even though he is not a precision passer right Like,

1541
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:31,479
Speaker 2: he's not his accuracy point, his accuracy and ball placement

1542
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 2: is not very consistent.

1543
01:15:32,320 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: You better get some guy with good catch radius.

1544
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's gonna be somebody that is going to

1545
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 2: miss some throws. And that's why I've I've kind of

1546
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,559
Speaker 2: gravitated towards like a Josh Allen type comp because I

1547
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,879
Speaker 2: think that he does a lot of the same misses

1548
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 2: that Josh Allen does, where like one in every five

1549
01:15:50,120 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: throws is like ten yards over a guy's head because

1550
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 2: he just overthrows the ball right because his arm is

1551
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 2: just ridiculous, and you're just like, where the hell did

1552
01:15:57,520 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 2: that go?

1553
01:15:58,120 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 1: Right?

1554
01:15:58,360 --> 01:15:59,640
Speaker 2: Like, you know, you got a guy open on the

1555
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: sideline and ends up in the third row and you're

1556
01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 2: just kind of like whoa, Like, where did that throw go?

1557
01:16:06,200 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: But I can see the thoughtfulness, I can see the

1558
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:10,599
Speaker 2: process with him, and then I can obviously see that

1559
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,840
Speaker 2: the arm talent is definitely there and there's some mobility

1560
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 2: with Jaden Daniels. He does not read the middle of

1561
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 2: the field very well. He passes up a lot of

1562
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,400
Speaker 2: throws in the middle of the field. He doesn't read

1563
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 2: a lot of like in breaking leverage very well. And

1564
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 2: you can just watch him on film and you'll see

1565
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 2: like digs, crossers things like that that he just totally

1566
01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 2: passes up. But the flip side of that is that

1567
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,760
Speaker 2: he'll pass it up and in college he'll run for

1568
01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 2: a fifty yard touchdown right like he's passing it up

1569
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 2: to scramble. So are you willing to like invite that

1570
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 2: sort of thing from an offensive perspective where you're saying, like, okay,

1571
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: like we're not good. This is not an advanced processor yet.

1572
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 2: But he's so damn athletic that it's not like he'll

1573
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,840
Speaker 2: just take over in other ways, And are you willing

1574
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 2: to kind of foster that and build around that?

1575
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: So?

1576
01:17:06,240 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 2: I think both of those things are doable, and both

1577
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: guys are super talented. It's just kind of which box

1578
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,559
Speaker 2: would you which pool would you rather jump into?

1579
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 5: So?

1580
01:17:16,439 --> 01:17:18,799
Speaker 1: Am I crazy for actually saying I think Jane Daniels

1581
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,400
Speaker 1: is the safer prospect of the two, And I'll tell

1582
01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: you why, because let's say neither one max is out. Yeah,

1583
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 1: the fallback trait for both is athleticism, and Jane Daniels

1584
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:31,200
Speaker 1: is a better athlete.

1585
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 2: I think the fallback trade for May is more arm talent, though.

1586
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,479
Speaker 1: But it's arm strength. It's not arm talent, and armed

1587
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,400
Speaker 1: strength doesn't mean anything that's kind of been proven that

1588
01:17:42,080 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 1: you know, big guy throws ball far doesn't equate to

1589
01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: a success where you can have a quarterback that can

1590
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: run a little around a little bit and build off

1591
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 1: of that. I hate to bring up JaMarcus Russell, but

1592
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,519
Speaker 1: big guy throw ball far great and.

1593
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 2: What Yeah, I would say, like, I don't know, it's

1594
01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 2: not just better comparison and Marketers.

1595
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,000
Speaker 1: No, it's not. But my point is, like I think

1596
01:18:04,240 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 1: when you look at what can go wrong for both yea,

1597
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 1: if it comes down, they're both guys that if it doesn't.

1598
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: I've talked about the Daniel Jones comp with Drake May

1599
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 1: right where if it all goes wrong, it's gonna be

1600
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: on his athleticism, and that's basically what Daniel Jones is. Yeah,

1601
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: let's say I think the same could happen for Jane Daniels. Well,

1602
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:24,400
Speaker 1: if it all comes down, if it's just you know,

1603
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: you've got to win off your athleticism, Jane Daniels is better.

1604
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: That's not to say I necessarily have Daniels over May,

1605
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 1: but part of that is, and we don't know who

1606
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: the GM is, which way are they going to look

1607
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: at it. I think there's some teams that just see

1608
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 1: the ceiling for a quarterback, block everything else out and

1609
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 1: say this is what this guy can be. They see

1610
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 1: Michael Pennox against Texas, Right, this is what this guy

1611
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 1: can be. We're gonna make them that. We don't care

1612
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: about any of it. I think there are some other

1613
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:50,719
Speaker 1: teams that and this is probably more your line of thinking.

1614
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:54,880
Speaker 1: Picking a quarterbacks freaking terrifying. Yeah, I just don't want

1615
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,719
Speaker 1: to mess up. Where's the guy with the highest floor,

1616
01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:59,560
Speaker 1: Where's the guy that I just know is going to

1617
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 1: give me something?

1618
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 2: Again, we don't know who the GM is, so we

1619
01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 2: don't know how they're gonna approach it. But now we

1620
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 2: really don't know who the GM is, right, Yeah.

1621
01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 1: I think that's that's going to be a part of

1622
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 1: it here. Yeah.

1623
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,200
Speaker 2: I think with Jayden Daniels, what I really like about

1624
01:19:14,240 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 2: him as a thrower, Yeah, because I think he obviously

1625
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:18,680
Speaker 2: has all the credit in the world as a.

1626
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,280
Speaker 1: Run Yeah, well you liked him as a passer before

1627
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 1: you liked him as a runner you compared to the CJ.

1628
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: Stroud remember, Yeah, Because what I like him as a

1629
01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:27,040
Speaker 1: thrower is I think that his motion and his mechanics

1630
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,600
Speaker 1: are consistent, not his feet, his feet needs to have

1631
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: settled down. But the way he throws the ball mechanically

1632
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:35,680
Speaker 1: from the waist up is really really sound, and it's

1633
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: it's not just sound, it's good.

1634
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 2: Like he gets the ball out fast, yeah, quick release,

1635
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:44,520
Speaker 2: snappy release, throws with a really good shoulder like, level shoulders,

1636
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 2: you know, really good upper body like. You can consistently

1637
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 2: see the motion every single time. And for the most part,

1638
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 2: his feet are tied to his eyes, which is very,

1639
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 2: very important. The problem is is that he just gets

1640
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 2: a little his feet get a little unsettled in antsy

1641
01:19:58,920 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 2: sometimes because he he's always setting up to run. Yeah,

1642
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:02,639
Speaker 2: I think that's what that means. But he knows where

1643
01:20:02,640 --> 01:20:05,160
Speaker 2: he's going with the bomb, and that's important too.

1644
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 1: He throws we would it be fair to say he

1645
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:07,400
Speaker 1: throws with conviction?

1646
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're going to be a quarterback, that you

1647
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:13,599
Speaker 2: know your number one trade is I'm a really good runner.

1648
01:20:13,840 --> 01:20:15,559
Speaker 2: But like, the one thing that I want to see

1649
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 2: is like, do you know where to go with the

1650
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: football most of the time? And I do think you

1651
01:20:20,479 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 2: see that quite frequently with Jayden Daniels. I really like

1652
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:27,559
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels. I would be floored with him at number three. Overall,

1653
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 2: is there a little Justin Fields in his game of

1654
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 2: like is he going to be able to see it

1655
01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 2: and read it and make throws from the pocket consistently

1656
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 2: as an NFL quarterback. Absolutely, But I'm willing to take

1657
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 2: a risk with a guy like like I would have

1658
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 2: taken Justin Fields back in the twenty twenty one Justine. Yeah,

1659
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 2: because I think that you can develop the mindset of

1660
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 2: that sort of thing, Like that's coachable.

1661
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: You can teach a guy how to see the field.

1662
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:54,800
Speaker 2: What you can't teach a guy, for the most part

1663
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:58,519
Speaker 2: is like a broken mechanically a thrower who's broken mechanic, or.

1664
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: To run a four four or to run four four.

1665
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:03,799
Speaker 1: Can't teach speed, can't teach speed, can't teach size, right.

1666
01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 2: And he's got those things well, I mean he's not

1667
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:06,679
Speaker 2: the biggest of guys.

1668
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,639
Speaker 1: No, but he's got the frame to have, Like he's

1669
01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,479
Speaker 1: got to put on some muscle, but that's due. Yeah,

1670
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 1: he's not five to ten. Yeah.

1671
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 2: I think it'd be really fun to have Jaden Daniels.

1672
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:17,760
Speaker 2: It'd be fun as a fan just to watch a

1673
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 2: guy run around like that. That would just be fun, period.

1674
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 2: But I think it would be really fun to watch.

1675
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 2: You know, Jayden Daniels in the DeShawn Watson version of

1676
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,680
Speaker 2: the Patriots offense under Bill O'Brien. I think that that

1677
01:21:28,720 --> 01:21:31,400
Speaker 2: would be a really good fit. All right, Uh, Todd

1678
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: is in North Carolina. What's up Todd?

1679
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 6: Hey, guys.

1680
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 7: There's been some talk about Vrabel coming here and then

1681
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:43,519
Speaker 7: maybe GMing and then we let Mayo take the coaching thing.

1682
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,880
Speaker 7: But I think there's a problem because I think there's

1683
01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:48,280
Speaker 7: a lot of experience in both of those roles for

1684
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,800
Speaker 7: both of those guys. I don't think that would be

1685
01:21:51,439 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 7: a good solution because I, like I played some fantasy

1686
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:58,679
Speaker 7: football I sucked at until halfway through the season and

1687
01:21:58,760 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 7: I finally figured it out. Well, that's really simple for

1688
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 7: these guys. Yeah, I know they got football background, but

1689
01:22:04,280 --> 01:22:06,960
Speaker 7: it's not that easy. Like Kevin, I've always been impressed

1690
01:22:06,960 --> 01:22:09,160
Speaker 7: with your knowledge and your ability to you know, see

1691
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:12,040
Speaker 7: beyond what's going on on the field and all the dynamics.

1692
01:22:12,680 --> 01:22:14,360
Speaker 7: And I just don't think either of them have the

1693
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 7: experience to do that in that particular role, right, So

1694
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 7: I cannot see that working. I just want to know

1695
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 7: what you guys think about that.

1696
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, the college just indirectly say you should be the coach. Uh.

1697
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 2: I think Todd said that. I think that's what he said.

1698
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:29,439
Speaker 1: If people want to know if you reply, there have

1699
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 1: been people in the YouTube chat who say you're the

1700
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: only in house higher.

1701
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:40,360
Speaker 2: They'd except so not that I am. I'm very very

1702
01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,000
Speaker 2: very far away already quick. Oh yeah, he's got a

1703
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: button over there for it.

1704
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,759
Speaker 1: That was mac Jones back in the fall saying Evan.

1705
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,559
Speaker 2: Wants to I am very very very very much not

1706
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:53,400
Speaker 2: qualified for any of these jobs. If I had to pick, though,

1707
01:22:53,439 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 2: because this is let's just play the game. You know,

1708
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 2: I would go personnel before i'd go head coach.

1709
01:22:59,720 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 1: Okay, no, but that's just because of the hours involved.

1710
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:05,400
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I just like I would much rather

1711
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 2: build the roster and do the draft and do all

1712
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,519
Speaker 2: that than than try to like teach some like teach

1713
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,800
Speaker 2: a fricking three technique how to like get off a

1714
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:17,400
Speaker 2: block like no, thank you, Like you know, let's let's

1715
01:23:17,400 --> 01:23:20,120
Speaker 2: have de Marcus coming and handle that. Like I I don't.

1716
01:23:20,200 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: We canet we can get Taylor coach. Taylor Cow's a coach.

1717
01:23:23,479 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 2: I'm out on that. So to Todd's actual question, yeah

1718
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 2: not that. Look it's a tough to It's a tough

1719
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 2: act to follow regardless. And I just my view on it,

1720
01:23:39,240 --> 01:23:41,759
Speaker 2: I guess with like if it's Vable and Mayo together

1721
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:44,680
Speaker 2: or something like that, my view on it is just

1722
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 2: like I just want all the brain power in the

1723
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:51,519
Speaker 2: building as possible. Yeah, because you are replacing literally the

1724
01:23:51,600 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: smartest football mind on the history of the world. Right,

1725
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: that's not an exaggeration. You were the guy that just

1726
01:23:57,800 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 2: walked out the door. Has more football anybody wants to

1727
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 2: walk the planet.

1728
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: Nobody has ever understood this game better than Bill Bellie, Right.

1729
01:24:05,160 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 2: So you're losing all of that, which to me means

1730
01:24:08,360 --> 01:24:10,600
Speaker 2: that you have to You're never going to replace it

1731
01:24:10,640 --> 01:24:13,920
Speaker 2: all one hundred percent, but you have to try to

1732
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,320
Speaker 2: replace as much of it as you can. And I

1733
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,880
Speaker 2: don't one person is not going to come close to

1734
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: tipping that iceberg, right, Like, there's no way that one

1735
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 2: person is going to be able to do that. So

1736
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,599
Speaker 2: I don't know if they've abel Mayo the thing that

1737
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 2: we came up with with them both being here. I

1738
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,880
Speaker 2: don't know if it would work or not, but I

1739
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 2: do know that those are two bright football minds that

1740
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: played in the league that are younger that understand the

1741
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,120
Speaker 2: players that are playing in that in football nowadays, that

1742
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:48,000
Speaker 2: bleed Patriots right like that are just Patriots guys. And

1743
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:49,840
Speaker 2: I think there's something to be said for all of that,

1744
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,640
Speaker 2: because you just you are replacing a Titan like you

1745
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 2: are replacing a Mount Rushmore coach, and that is very,

1746
01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 2: very difficult to do unless you bring in a whole

1747
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:02,599
Speaker 2: army to try to replace that guy. Right, all right,

1748
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:04,599
Speaker 2: Joe is in Delaware. What's up, Joe?

1749
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,880
Speaker 8: Hi, how's it going on? Two quick thoughts. One, I

1750
01:25:09,960 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 8: have no interest in Arthur Smith because he had an

1751
01:25:13,560 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 8: extremely talented roster and did very little with it. Two,

1752
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,559
Speaker 8: what about taking Joe all early but then trading back

1753
01:25:22,640 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 8: up into first and getting someone like cam Ward? I

1754
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,559
Speaker 8: think cam Ward is really interesting because he was eighth

1755
01:25:28,640 --> 01:25:30,920
Speaker 8: in the passing leader and did a lot more with

1756
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:33,800
Speaker 8: a lot less talent than everybody else. Thanks for taking

1757
01:25:33,800 --> 01:25:34,080
Speaker 8: my call.

1758
01:25:34,160 --> 01:25:36,799
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. I have not studied cam wardon.

1759
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, so cam Ward is an interesting one. Everybody thought

1760
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 1: he was going to go back to school, and he

1761
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 1: thought he was going to go back to school. He

1762
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:45,240
Speaker 1: entered the transfer portal before going to the draft. He

1763
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 1: is all right, we do our tears right. Yeah, cam

1764
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: Ward is day two Caleb Williams, Okay, cam Ward is

1765
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:55,400
Speaker 1: an improviser. Yeah, cam Ward is a big play hunter,

1766
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,120
Speaker 1: but he does not have the polish on his game

1767
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: that Williams does. It's all still very literally, you can

1768
01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 1: do that. Yuh So cam Ward's a fun prospect. I

1769
01:26:08,479 --> 01:26:10,240
Speaker 1: think you're gonna end up really liking him. I was

1770
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 1: kind of hoping maybe you've seen a little bit of him. Yeah,

1771
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would take him in the

1772
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: first round. Yeah, And I know I said my whole

1773
01:26:18,560 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: thing about reaching for quarterbacks, so they really believe in him, fine,

1774
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:25,200
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're gonna believe in him that much. Yeah,

1775
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:29,639
Speaker 1: I I I don't. I like cam Ward as a prospect.

1776
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't like him to the point where the Patriots

1777
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 1: being where they are right now, giving him the keys

1778
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:35,600
Speaker 1: to the franchise.

1779
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I absolutely love the idea we talked about,

1780
01:26:40,120 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 2: This was our whole arty last week. I absolutely love

1781
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 2: the idea of trying to take like your blue chip

1782
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,599
Speaker 2: position player with the third overall pick and then picking

1783
01:26:50,640 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 2: another getting another first round pick, whether it's a slight

1784
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:55,280
Speaker 2: trade down or something like that, to make it it

1785
01:26:55,320 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 2: to facilitated. I love the idea and getting the quarterback later.

1786
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 2: The problem is in this draft, and I know Quinnie

1787
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 2: Or has announced he's going back that ye tweaks, so

1788
01:27:05,960 --> 01:27:09,240
Speaker 2: he's not involved. And I also I did want to

1789
01:27:09,280 --> 01:27:11,679
Speaker 2: go to this point before all this Bill stuff happened,

1790
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 2: So I guess we'll go here now. I don't know

1791
01:27:15,400 --> 01:27:17,959
Speaker 2: what the league is gonna make of Michael Penix's performance

1792
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:21,679
Speaker 2: in the National Championship Game, and so really what you're

1793
01:27:21,680 --> 01:27:23,800
Speaker 2: looking at is maybe a guy like cam Ward who

1794
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:26,360
Speaker 2: ends up being a sneaky guy that comes up boards

1795
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:31,920
Speaker 2: uh Bo nicks Michael Pennix, right, because Jaydon Daniels, I think,

1796
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 2: you know last week I was I didn't know. I

1797
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:36,960
Speaker 2: think I've heard enough now that I that he's probably

1798
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 2: gonna go pretty high. Yeah, maybe maybe he gets maybe

1799
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:44,080
Speaker 2: he falls, like Justin Fields did a little bit to ten.

1800
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:48,559
Speaker 2: I think Fields wasn't twenty one. Yeah, Michael Pennix is

1801
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 2: it could really drop. And but but now in this

1802
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 2: I wanted to bring this up because we gave him

1803
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,000
Speaker 2: his flowers last week after the Texas game, and I

1804
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 2: know some people have already DM me and stuff and

1805
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:00,960
Speaker 2: told me that I and make pay of you for

1806
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:02,800
Speaker 2: two hours and tell you how much of an idiot

1807
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:03,160
Speaker 2: you are.

1808
01:28:03,200 --> 01:28:06,679
Speaker 1: Because a player's entire makeup is based off one game.

1809
01:28:07,000 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 1: That's how we always do it.

1810
01:28:08,240 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Pennix's stock I think is maybe in this range.

1811
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,680
Speaker 1: Like I think, but here's what I would say. If

1812
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:21,960
Speaker 1: you're so turned off by that performance, I'm not saying that.

1813
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that the league, I think we everybody

1814
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,519
Speaker 2: myself included hand Up got really really excited after the

1815
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:33,000
Speaker 2: Texas game, and the league I think has been on

1816
01:28:33,120 --> 01:28:36,439
Speaker 2: him as like a fringe first round or early second

1817
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 2: round kind of guy. And the injuries are a big

1818
01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:40,880
Speaker 2: reason why, right, Like it's not just the film. The

1819
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 2: injuries are a big reason why. And he could be

1820
01:28:44,479 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: a guy that's realistic as like the thirty fourth pick

1821
01:28:48,360 --> 01:28:48,920
Speaker 2: in the draft.

1822
01:28:48,920 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: Now it's possible. Yeah, I just still think he's gonna

1823
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 1: end up a first round pick because I think there's

1824
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: gonna be teams that I talked about this earlier, there

1825
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:00,639
Speaker 1: are certain teams that see the ceiling, look at the ceiling,

1826
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 1: put the blinders on and say we can get that

1827
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: out of them. And I think there's gonna be teams

1828
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:06,800
Speaker 1: that look at the Texas game as who he is,

1829
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:08,880
Speaker 1: and I don't think he's the Texas game. I don't

1830
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: think he's the Michigan game either. By the way, I

1831
01:29:11,600 --> 01:29:15,360
Speaker 1: think he's again right if you watch all the games

1832
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:17,719
Speaker 1: and not just one. It's I love it how people

1833
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 1: get after me for oh, why do you watch college football?

1834
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: It's so stupid. I don't watch college trouble and then

1835
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:25,680
Speaker 1: they watch one game and they're suddenly the expert on

1836
01:29:25,720 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 1: these prospects. Felger's Actually, Felger was spot on about Penix

1837
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:31,960
Speaker 1: and he said a lot of the same thing things

1838
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 1: you said. Felger was pants off after the Texas No, but.

1839
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,559
Speaker 2: Why do you people, Why did you people think that

1840
01:29:38,560 --> 01:29:40,960
Speaker 2: that the Patriots needed the number one pick?

1841
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:42,320
Speaker 1: You idiots?

1842
01:29:42,560 --> 01:29:45,400
Speaker 2: Michael Pennix was sitting here the whole time, and who

1843
01:29:45,479 --> 01:29:48,840
Speaker 2: cares where they pay? Okay, I'm sorry, no, no, But

1844
01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:49,439
Speaker 2: he came.

1845
01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:53,719
Speaker 1: Back on the next week and said, look, it's one game. Yeah,

1846
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:55,840
Speaker 1: And and to your you tweeted this, which was great.

1847
01:29:55,880 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: First off, that offensive line. You want to talk about,

1848
01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: who is really bad in that game? Jim Moore Award

1849
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 1: winners too, Who at the right tackle, who's supposed to

1850
01:30:02,520 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 1: be a top of you want to know who's stock

1851
01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 1: really got tanked. I'm blanky on the right tackles name.

1852
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 1: But how many.

1853
01:30:07,160 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 2: Times like something like roer Wasser or something crazy? I know,

1854
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:11,760
Speaker 2: but it's like something like.

1855
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:12,519
Speaker 1: Ros and something.

1856
01:30:12,600 --> 01:30:12,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1857
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, how many times is the rusher around him before

1858
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:16,960
Speaker 1: he even got out of his stance. But the point

1859
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:22,240
Speaker 1: being Pennix is somewhere in between who he was in

1860
01:30:22,280 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: the Texas game, who he was in the Washington game.

1861
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,639
Speaker 1: There's gonna be teams that look at the ceiling get enticed.

1862
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:28,760
Speaker 1: There's gonna be teams that want this is the other

1863
01:30:28,760 --> 01:30:30,960
Speaker 1: thing with the quarterbacks, that want the fifth year of

1864
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,040
Speaker 1: control and say, yeah, we have them graded at the

1865
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 1: second round, but we can get into the back end

1866
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: of the first and get the extra year of team

1867
01:30:36,439 --> 01:30:38,200
Speaker 1: control on him, which matters.

1868
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,559
Speaker 2: So I agree with you here. And this is why

1869
01:30:40,640 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 2: I wonder if Pennix is a guy that they make

1870
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:49,080
Speaker 2: the thirty second pick in the draft. So you're saying

1871
01:30:49,160 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 2: trade back in, So you trade up a couple of picks.

1872
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 2: You're not giving up a kings ransom to move up

1873
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 2: t you know, fifteen picks, but you move up from

1874
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:00,640
Speaker 2: thirty four to thirty two just to lock in the

1875
01:31:01,200 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 2: option and make sure that you have that control.

1876
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:07,920
Speaker 1: If they believe in him, great, But if they don't

1877
01:31:07,960 --> 01:31:09,439
Speaker 1: believe in him and they're doing it just to pick

1878
01:31:09,439 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: a quarterback, don't do it. Also that here, here's why

1879
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:15,080
Speaker 1: that's scary to me. It has nothing to do with

1880
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,759
Speaker 1: Michael Pennix. Let's say that's your plan and you build

1881
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,360
Speaker 1: your whole offseason around that, and then somebody trades up

1882
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,960
Speaker 1: to thirty one and takes him. So, now what right?

1883
01:31:24,640 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 1: D like know the board, but you can't read it again?

1884
01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,840
Speaker 1: You know the board? You that's your job, okay, but

1885
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:32,800
Speaker 1: you can't know it that well.

1886
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,840
Speaker 2: You need to. That's literally what you're paid to do.

1887
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: You look at what happened with the Jets last year.

1888
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, but the Jets are the Jets, like, we're not like,

1889
01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:40,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what we're.

1890
01:31:40,280 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 1: Gonna do Belichick. Bill Belichick was able to read the board. Yeah.

1891
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,880
Speaker 1: I don't think you risk an entire season on that premise.

1892
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't think you risk what you're saying. Maybe maybe

1893
01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 1: it's b Nicks, okay, and now you're now you're the

1894
01:31:58,240 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: Titans missing out on guys. So you take Will in

1895
01:32:00,360 --> 01:32:05,479
Speaker 1: Malik Wills, the Falcons taking des Okay, either you believe

1896
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:07,559
Speaker 1: in the guy and you take them, yeah, or you don't.

1897
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:09,280
Speaker 1: And to your point, you build up the roster. You

1898
01:32:09,320 --> 01:32:11,439
Speaker 1: take Joe Walton the first, you get your receiver in

1899
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:13,240
Speaker 1: the second. You build up the rest of the roster,

1900
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 1: and you hope next year there's some sort of way,

1901
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:17,439
Speaker 1: whether it's trading up for Quinn yours or trading up

1902
01:32:17,439 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: for Sugar Sanders or maybe like Trevor Lawrence becomes available. Yeah,

1903
01:32:21,120 --> 01:32:23,120
Speaker 1: and then you plug it in from there. I would

1904
01:32:23,120 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: not And I'm the guy that's been saying quarterback, quarterback, quarterback,

1905
01:32:27,040 --> 01:32:29,040
Speaker 1: don't do not take a quarterback you don't believe in.

1906
01:32:29,080 --> 01:32:31,519
Speaker 1: Just take a quarterback that is a burn well asset.

1907
01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:33,640
Speaker 2: And well that's sort of all I've been saying, right, Like,

1908
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that I hate all these quarterbacks. Yeah,

1909
01:32:36,200 --> 01:32:39,160
Speaker 2: I have no conviction. That's every you. Oh you won't

1910
01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 2: commit like ya da YadA ya da. I mean maybe,

1911
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:43,519
Speaker 2: But like the point being is, like I am just

1912
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:45,720
Speaker 2: saying that until I fall in love with one of

1913
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,880
Speaker 2: these guys, it's hard for me to sit here and

1914
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:50,040
Speaker 2: say that, like I'm going to bang the table for

1915
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:52,200
Speaker 2: Drake Bank because I don't I don't feel that.

1916
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: Way my point. That's fair. But on the flip side,

1917
01:32:58,320 --> 01:33:00,519
Speaker 1: if you do believe in a guy, I don't think

1918
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:02,920
Speaker 1: there's yeah, we like this quarterback, but Joe Altier too,

1919
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:04,600
Speaker 1: and maybe we can do this next year. Maybe we

1920
01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:06,760
Speaker 1: can get this guy later on. No, if there is

1921
01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:08,519
Speaker 1: a guy they fall in love to, just take them,

1922
01:33:08,680 --> 01:33:10,599
Speaker 1: just take them. Don't play games with it. Yeah.

1923
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,599
Speaker 2: So the last thing on Penix is I do want

1924
01:33:12,640 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 2: to talk about, like what actually went wrong for Penix.

1925
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:16,720
Speaker 2: This was probably gonna be a bigger part of the

1926
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:20,320
Speaker 2: show obviously before all this happened with Penix. I think

1927
01:33:20,360 --> 01:33:22,400
Speaker 2: the two things that you when you watched on film

1928
01:33:22,400 --> 01:33:25,559
Speaker 2: that we're concerning that really came up in this game

1929
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 2: that make it such a red flag to me are

1930
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 2: he's really not overly mobile. I think I'm not going

1931
01:33:34,360 --> 01:33:36,439
Speaker 2: to go as far as some people say that's to

1932
01:33:36,479 --> 01:33:39,640
Speaker 2: call him a statue. I wouldn't necessarily say he's a statue,

1933
01:33:40,040 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 2: but he's not. He's not a very good he's not elusive,

1934
01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 2: he doesn't have much escapability, and when you pay when

1935
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,600
Speaker 2: you're under siege. I give him the benefit of the

1936
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:54,360
Speaker 2: doubt that kind of pressure rate. I haven't looked it

1937
01:33:54,439 --> 01:33:56,320
Speaker 2: up on PFF, but like I'm sure it was like

1938
01:33:56,360 --> 01:33:57,160
Speaker 2: over fifty percent.

1939
01:33:57,240 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: It was absurd. Well, but but he hasn't been good

1940
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,240
Speaker 1: under like being and he's not.

1941
01:34:01,280 --> 01:34:04,680
Speaker 2: But I think he's not good under pressure because he

1942
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,720
Speaker 2: doesn't move well, okay enough, right and to buy that

1943
01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:11,280
Speaker 2: extra second. Like we talked about this with mac Jones

1944
01:34:11,320 --> 01:34:13,879
Speaker 2: all the time. Yeah, right, So what ends up happening

1945
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,960
Speaker 2: is is that like you're sitting on your spot. Now

1946
01:34:17,000 --> 01:34:19,160
Speaker 2: you've got people in your face, so you keep throwing

1947
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,280
Speaker 2: off your back foot right, and you're just throwing back

1948
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:23,519
Speaker 2: foot passes all game long, which is I think what

1949
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 2: we saw a lot against Michigan. The other thing is

1950
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 2: that Michigan really made him make throws into the middle

1951
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:33,240
Speaker 2: of the field on time while processing it. And I

1952
01:34:33,280 --> 01:34:36,439
Speaker 2: think what you see with him on film is, you know,

1953
01:34:37,560 --> 01:34:40,559
Speaker 2: a propensity to like take extra hitches, to like not

1954
01:34:40,680 --> 01:34:42,680
Speaker 2: see it quickly enough, to not see the middle of

1955
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,600
Speaker 2: the field very well, and then not throw very accurately.

1956
01:34:45,640 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 2: Even against Texas, he missed some throws to the middle

1957
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 2: of the field as good as he was, and that

1958
01:34:51,680 --> 01:34:54,679
Speaker 2: is troubling because that's the NFL, right, Like the NFL

1959
01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 2: is like okay, so like they spun the safeties the

1960
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 2: robbers taking away this cut. Now I'm gonna take take

1961
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,519
Speaker 2: the backside dig. You're not gonna throw it like the

1962
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,479
Speaker 2: fourth down play where he threw the interception that basically

1963
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 2: ended the game. That play Roma Duneesay is open on

1964
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:13,360
Speaker 2: the backside dig and Penix never comes off the front

1965
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 2: side read right, And like that's the type of things

1966
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:20,840
Speaker 2: that I wish I saw more like anticipatory, layered progression

1967
01:35:20,920 --> 01:35:23,759
Speaker 2: read type throws into the middle of the field instead

1968
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:25,439
Speaker 2: of just like the bombs and the dimes down the

1969
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,160
Speaker 2: field are great, but he's doing that from a clean pocket.

1970
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:32,559
Speaker 2: What happens when what happened against Michigan and it didn't

1971
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 2: that those were existent on film, And I think that

1972
01:35:36,840 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 2: that's what to your point, Like, I think that's what

1973
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 2: makes it hard for a lot of people is because

1974
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:45,760
Speaker 2: unless you actually watch four or five six games of

1975
01:35:45,800 --> 01:35:49,000
Speaker 2: a guy, you're not like when he plays Texas and

1976
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 2: he's he has like three incomplete passes, you're not gonna

1977
01:35:52,280 --> 01:35:54,679
Speaker 2: see these things, like you because there's not enough sample

1978
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:57,320
Speaker 2: size to really see it. But when you watch Texas

1979
01:35:57,400 --> 01:35:59,760
Speaker 2: and then you watch the Pactroal Championship game, and you

1980
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,799
Speaker 2: watch against the USC, and then you watch the National

1981
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:02,839
Speaker 2: Championship Oregon.

1982
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 1: Oregon is a very good defense, and you.

1983
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,320
Speaker 2: Start to stack these things together, and yes, like Oregon.

1984
01:36:08,360 --> 01:36:10,519
Speaker 2: He threw a bad pick against Oregon the Pack Troll

1985
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 2: Championship game under pressure, right, And I looked at that

1986
01:36:13,400 --> 01:36:16,160
Speaker 2: and I said, Okay, that's a one off potentially in

1987
01:36:16,200 --> 01:36:18,719
Speaker 2: this game. But then he started missing throws under pressure

1988
01:36:18,760 --> 01:36:21,800
Speaker 2: against Michigan, and I'm like, okay, now that might be

1989
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:22,400
Speaker 2: who he is.

1990
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,040
Speaker 1: I will add two. And I know people are gonna

1991
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,800
Speaker 1: say making excuses for him. What here we go. I'm

1992
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 1: already the excuse guy for the quarterback.

1993
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:31,120
Speaker 2: I don't worry about everybody thinks.

1994
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:33,880
Speaker 1: To your point, also, people just start watching it and

1995
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:35,679
Speaker 1: they think of Michigan and the one guy they've probably

1996
01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,840
Speaker 1: heard of is JJ McCarthy because for some reason he's

1997
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,880
Speaker 1: a heisman. Finally, by the way, J J. McCarthy also

1998
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,720
Speaker 1: not good in this game. He used to go back

1999
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:49,000
Speaker 1: to school. Uh. That Michigan defense studs wagon legit. You

2000
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:52,719
Speaker 1: talk about the go get meet one of those guys,

2001
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 1: Chris Jenkins, the defensive tackle, had a great game. Their

2002
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:58,479
Speaker 1: other defensive tackle whose name I'm blanking on right now,

2003
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 1: so had a really good game. Can we get what

2004
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 1: do we need to do to get Mike Sanders still

2005
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:10,800
Speaker 1: in New England? The safety number zero, Everet high ever kid. Yeah, okay, yeah,

2006
01:37:11,040 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: probably gonna be a Day three pick. Put him in

2007
01:37:13,479 --> 01:37:15,519
Speaker 1: this defense. You wou'd have a lot of fun with

2008
01:37:15,560 --> 01:37:18,160
Speaker 1: that guy in this defense. Rod more than other safety.

2009
01:37:18,200 --> 01:37:20,360
Speaker 1: And they even had guys Will Johnson who's their number

2010
01:37:20,360 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 1: one corners where's number two? But he's their top corner,

2011
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:24,559
Speaker 1: is going to be a first round pick next year.

2012
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:27,919
Speaker 1: He's not draft eligible. So you're talking about a defense

2013
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: that I mean, it reminds me a little bit of

2014
01:37:30,240 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 1: those peak Nick Saban Alabama defenses where Derek Moore was

2015
01:37:34,280 --> 01:37:37,599
Speaker 1: the defense other defense tackle. He's not draft eligible. There

2016
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:43,160
Speaker 1: are NFL players, multiple NFL players at every single level

2017
01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:45,080
Speaker 1: of that defense. You don't see that all the time

2018
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:48,240
Speaker 1: in college football. That defense is outstanding. Do you have

2019
01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: anything else on Pennis?

2020
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, real quick, because I just pulled up his numbers.

2021
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:53,160
Speaker 1: And then I have one more thing on the National

2022
01:37:53,240 --> 01:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Championship game. Yeah.

2023
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 2: So they said he was under pressure on twenty of

2024
01:37:57,400 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 2: his dropbacks seems a little bit low, but it's just

2025
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:02,599
Speaker 2: that's just wrong.

2026
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:05,439
Speaker 1: It was pretty like. It wasn't soft pressure. It's guy's

2027
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:07,320
Speaker 1: like right in his face. It's like clean rushers. It

2028
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:10,240
Speaker 1: was the kind of pressure he was four for eighteen. Yeah,

2029
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:12,520
Speaker 1: he started I think like, oh for ten under pressure.

2030
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:17,919
Speaker 2: Four for eighteen with a touchdown, two picks, three turnover

2031
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:23,519
Speaker 2: worthy plays under pressure. Yeah, passer rating under pressure nineteen

2032
01:38:23,560 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 2: point four.

2033
01:38:24,120 --> 01:38:26,120
Speaker 1: It wasn't good. I'm not going to say eighteen is

2034
01:38:26,240 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: really really not good. Yeah, it wasn't good. H one

2035
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 1: more thing on national championship. Yep, say something nice about

2036
01:38:31,920 --> 01:38:35,080
Speaker 1: Michigan's running back. No, yes, no, say something nice about

2037
01:38:35,080 --> 01:38:38,760
Speaker 1: Michigan's offensive line. Yeah. But like this is the thing

2038
01:38:38,760 --> 01:38:41,280
Speaker 1: that I think, go on Donovan Edward.

2039
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 3: I know.

2040
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:45,240
Speaker 2: Everybody's like listening to this show right now and like

2041
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 2: didn't like the head coach.

2042
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 1: People are saying that on YouTube. We're like two hours

2043
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:51,400
Speaker 1: into this. Yeah, and somebody called and asked about.

2044
01:38:51,160 --> 01:38:53,800
Speaker 2: This, Okay, and I want to you know, there's another

2045
01:38:53,800 --> 01:38:55,360
Speaker 2: thing in the draft I really want to hit on

2046
01:38:55,400 --> 01:38:57,960
Speaker 2: two in a second. Here's the thing about college football

2047
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:04,200
Speaker 2: that I think makes it tough. Whoever has the best

2048
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:07,800
Speaker 2: offensive and defensive lines win every year like that, Like

2049
01:39:07,880 --> 01:39:11,800
Speaker 2: that's why Georgia went to back to back national champion No,

2050
01:39:11,880 --> 01:39:13,880
Speaker 2: it's not, but the playing field is definitely more less.

2051
01:39:14,000 --> 01:39:14,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, that's fair.

2052
01:39:14,880 --> 01:39:17,120
Speaker 2: Right, So I think what happens a lot of these things,

2053
01:39:17,160 --> 01:39:20,439
Speaker 2: And I know Washington had this like heralded offense that

2054
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:21,160
Speaker 2: got managed, but.

2055
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,880
Speaker 1: Then that's how good Michigan's defense.

2056
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think that that's why it makes it hard,

2057
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,120
Speaker 2: because like you get to these national championship games, in

2058
01:39:29,160 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 2: these playoff games, and there's just such a talent gap

2059
01:39:34,439 --> 01:39:36,840
Speaker 2: between one line out side of the ball and the

2060
01:39:36,840 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 2: other side of the ball and the trenches that like

2061
01:39:39,040 --> 01:39:41,760
Speaker 2: the skill players and the quarterbacks and stuff like that.

2062
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,160
Speaker 1: That's what made c J.

2063
01:39:43,320 --> 01:39:46,120
Speaker 2: Stroud against Georgia so ridiculous. It was that he was

2064
01:39:46,200 --> 01:39:48,479
Speaker 2: running around for his life the entire game and was

2065
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,680
Speaker 2: still making throws. And that's what I think separated him

2066
01:39:51,720 --> 01:39:54,360
Speaker 2: in that game from Mike Pennix, who couldn't overcome it.

2067
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:57,360
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I I just think that

2068
01:39:57,360 --> 01:39:59,240
Speaker 2: that's such a big part of call. Like if your

2069
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:03,440
Speaker 2: college coach or college program and you're not just recruiting

2070
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,679
Speaker 2: all the five star offensive linemen that you possibly can,

2071
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:08,800
Speaker 2: then you're a bunch of more doing it wrong.

2072
01:40:08,840 --> 01:40:11,600
Speaker 1: There is a tipping point because Iowa always has one

2073
01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:13,760
Speaker 1: of the best off, then they don't have anybody else.

2074
01:40:13,800 --> 01:40:15,800
Speaker 2: There is a tipping point. What are people saying in

2075
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:17,439
Speaker 2: the chat like, oh, get back to Bill?

2076
01:40:17,520 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: Like people there's there's a couple of people who are

2077
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: very confused as to why we're not talking about Bill.

2078
01:40:21,120 --> 01:40:22,679
Speaker 1: We did the first hour and a half on Bill. Yeah,

2079
01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: we're gonna we'll get back to wrap on Bill. I

2080
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:26,040
Speaker 1: think we have one more call, right.

2081
01:40:26,240 --> 01:40:28,719
Speaker 2: No, that that's our that's our third line that's down.

2082
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 2: So some morell just like has it on hold so

2083
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 2: that nobody calls into it.

2084
01:40:33,760 --> 01:40:35,160
Speaker 1: Uh so really quickly.

2085
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 2: The other news on the draft and okay, this is

2086
01:40:37,640 --> 01:40:39,600
Speaker 2: this is a draft show, all right, Like this is

2087
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,599
Speaker 2: what we do here. We're not gonna spend three hours

2088
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:46,519
Speaker 2: talking about you know Robert and Bill. You know their

2089
01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:48,200
Speaker 2: hug at the end of the press conference.

2090
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,320
Speaker 1: Give the kiss. That's not how we didn't give them

2091
01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:50,799
Speaker 1: the kiss.

2092
01:40:50,840 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 2: The other really big news from the draft today and

2093
01:40:53,120 --> 01:40:55,479
Speaker 2: Barton Poland d asked about it. He asked a very

2094
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:59,240
Speaker 2: long question, but Marvin Harrison junior declared for the draft,

2095
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:02,000
Speaker 2: and why does this matter? I think it matters for

2096
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,759
Speaker 2: two reasons. One, or maybe Eldred's out there listening. People

2097
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 2: like Eldred are gonna sit there and say Marvin Harrison junior,

2098
01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison junior or bust right like that because he's

2099
01:41:13,520 --> 01:41:17,040
Speaker 2: so talented, because we're so starving for receivers in New England.

2100
01:41:17,640 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 2: That's part one. Part two is obviously the domino effect

2101
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:23,559
Speaker 2: it has on the top of the board. There is

2102
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,439
Speaker 2: going to be a team, whether it's the Chicago Bears,

2103
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,640
Speaker 2: it's the Arizona Cardinals, it's one of these teams that

2104
01:41:28,640 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 2: doesn't need a quarterback. There is gonna be a team

2105
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:34,320
Speaker 2: that's gonna position themselves to draft Marvin Harrison Junior. And

2106
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,600
Speaker 2: now that's gonna have an effect on the rest of

2107
01:41:36,640 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 2: the top five, right, and he's gonna be a top

2108
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 2: five pick, like he's going in the.

2109
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:42,160
Speaker 1: Top probably gonna be the first non quarterback off the board.

2110
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:46,040
Speaker 2: So, whether it's Chicago Arizona, I think are the two

2111
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 2: bases the two unless somebody moves way in right, So

2112
01:41:48,520 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 2: those are the two big ones.

2113
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:51,080
Speaker 1: I guess.

2114
01:41:51,120 --> 01:41:54,240
Speaker 2: First part for me is that like I just I

2115
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:58,320
Speaker 2: can't wrap my head around a team that needs to

2116
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 2: completely rebuild on the offense of the ball and the

2117
01:42:01,120 --> 01:42:03,439
Speaker 2: first pieces that you're gonna take is the receiver. Like

2118
01:42:03,479 --> 01:42:06,400
Speaker 2: it just doesn't compute. So you're gonna have Marvin Harrison

2119
01:42:06,479 --> 01:42:09,360
Speaker 2: Junior out there for the first like year or two

2120
01:42:09,439 --> 01:42:13,320
Speaker 2: of his rookie contract with no offensive line and no quarterback.

2121
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:17,439
Speaker 2: He's Garrett Wilson right, Like, maybe a better version, but

2122
01:42:17,479 --> 01:42:21,000
Speaker 2: he's you know, Garrett Wilson is out there having as.

2123
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: Stupid as it sounds. There's that little infographic that goes

2124
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 1: around on Twitter. It started in the Joe Burrow days

2125
01:42:25,600 --> 01:42:28,559
Speaker 1: where it's like, you know, the quarterback with no offensive

2126
01:42:28,800 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he's gonna be running around all down

2127
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:33,400
Speaker 1: the field's gonna be running all open and can't get

2128
01:42:33,439 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 1: him the ball.

2129
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,400
Speaker 2: So that I've always been of because of that draft.

2130
01:42:37,680 --> 01:42:40,280
Speaker 2: It was it was Jamar Chase versus Penny Sewell, right Like,

2131
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,600
Speaker 2: that was like to the Bengals draft Penny Sewer or

2132
01:42:42,600 --> 01:42:45,240
Speaker 2: should they draft of mar Chase? The bottom line is

2133
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:47,599
Speaker 2: is like you need two or three. You either need

2134
01:42:47,640 --> 01:42:49,839
Speaker 2: the quarterback and the receiver, or you need the quarterback

2135
01:42:49,840 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 2: and protection, or you need protection in the receivers. You

2136
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:55,799
Speaker 2: need two out of three offensive line skill player quarterback

2137
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,680
Speaker 2: pick two out of three. Marvin Harrison Junior might be

2138
01:42:58,680 --> 01:43:01,479
Speaker 2: able to check the receiver box, but you are still very,

2139
01:43:01,600 --> 01:43:03,280
Speaker 2: very deficient in the other two areas.

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01:43:03,280 --> 01:43:05,920
Speaker 1: And you've even said you got to add one. It's

2141
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:07,800
Speaker 1: really add one of the two, and then receiver can

2142
01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:09,880
Speaker 1: be the second or the third, but it can't be

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01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:10,280
Speaker 1: the first.

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01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:11,800
Speaker 2: And my last point on this, and I know he

2145
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,040
Speaker 2: coached like five hundred years ago at this point, but

2146
01:43:14,120 --> 01:43:16,599
Speaker 2: Bill Walsh, you know, he wrote he wrote the book

2147
01:43:16,800 --> 01:43:20,880
Speaker 2: on Quarterbacks or on an offense and how to build

2148
01:43:20,920 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 2: offenses and stuff like that, and Joe Walsh always said,

2149
01:43:24,479 --> 01:43:28,400
Speaker 2: the wide receiver is the last thing you drop in, right.

2150
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 2: You build the line, you get the quarterback, and then

2151
01:43:31,680 --> 01:43:34,519
Speaker 2: you go get Marvin Harrison junior. You don't do Marvin

2152
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:37,559
Speaker 2: Harrison junior first, right, because it's a waste. It's a

2153
01:43:37,560 --> 01:43:40,400
Speaker 2: waste of Marvin Harrison Junior. I can't wrap my head

2154
01:43:40,439 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 2: around that being the best, as as talented as he is,

2155
01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,960
Speaker 2: I think that that would be a mistake for the

2156
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:49,400
Speaker 2: Patriots to take the receiver. Now, if we go into

2157
01:43:49,479 --> 01:43:53,600
Speaker 2: free agency and they somehow I don't know how, but

2158
01:43:53,680 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 2: they somehow come out of free agency with the franchise

2159
01:43:56,240 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 2: quarterback and an offensive line, then I might change my mind, right,

2160
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,920
Speaker 2: But in terms of where they're at right now, the

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01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,480
Speaker 2: quarterback and the tackle I think need to be priorities

2162
01:44:04,520 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 2: over the receivers. So I guess two parts to your

2163
01:44:07,439 --> 01:44:10,200
Speaker 2: answer as well, like how does this impact the top five?

2164
01:44:10,240 --> 01:44:13,599
Speaker 2: And how are you in or out on them? Taking Harrison?

2165
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:16,240
Speaker 1: I'm the same way as you, like, I think Marvin

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01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:18,439
Speaker 1: Harrison is a tremendous player, But I just don't think

2167
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:21,760
Speaker 1: you can start a rebuild with a wide receiver. It's

2168
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: so tough because he's basically gonna be useless for the

2169
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:25,840
Speaker 1: first year and then.

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01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 2: And then you get into the point where like you

2171
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 2: have to pay him, and then like he's you know.

2172
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 1: You start wondering about, well, it's all just like if

2173
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:33,760
Speaker 1: he has a really rough first year, where's that go?

2174
01:44:33,800 --> 01:44:36,000
Speaker 1: With this development? It starts sounding like Garrett Wilson wants

2175
01:44:36,040 --> 01:44:38,679
Speaker 1: out of New York, Like I'll take that whole thing, Garrett,

2176
01:44:38,680 --> 01:44:41,120
Speaker 1: Like Garrett Wilson trade for Garrett Wilson.

2177
01:44:41,120 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson is such a great example because Garrett Wilson

2178
01:44:44,439 --> 01:44:46,280
Speaker 2: he had a thousand yards again this year. Yeah, he

2179
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,599
Speaker 2: had back to back a thousand yard seasons playing with

2180
01:44:48,720 --> 01:44:51,200
Speaker 2: bums at the quarterback position. How many games of the

2181
01:44:51,240 --> 01:44:54,439
Speaker 2: Jets won? Right, like, how many games of the Jets one?

2182
01:44:54,680 --> 01:44:57,599
Speaker 1: Exactly? No, it's a good point. How does it affect

2183
01:44:57,640 --> 01:45:01,080
Speaker 1: the top five? It's tough to when we don't know

2184
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:05,639
Speaker 1: what Chicago's gonna do. Yeah. If so, let's say Chicago

2185
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:07,960
Speaker 1: keeps Justin Fields. I think it makes all the sense

2186
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:11,439
Speaker 1: in the world for Washington to trade up from two

2187
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: to one. Yep, to get Cale. It's a win win.

2188
01:45:14,479 --> 01:45:17,160
Speaker 1: Washington gets to go up to one get Caleb Williams.

2189
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:18,600
Speaker 1: And the reason they all, right, well, if they know

2190
01:45:18,720 --> 01:45:20,639
Speaker 1: the Bears are gonna take Marvin Harrison junior, why won't

2191
01:45:20,640 --> 01:45:24,040
Speaker 1: they because maybe you know, the Patriots at three, or

2192
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:26,760
Speaker 1: the maybe the Cardinals. They say they're sticking with Kyler Murray.

2193
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 1: But now if there's a chance they can get Caleb Williams, sorry,

2194
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,880
Speaker 1: maybe they move up. Washington moves up to one, they

2195
01:45:31,880 --> 01:45:34,320
Speaker 1: get to ensure they get Caleb Williams. The Bears moved

2196
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:37,799
Speaker 1: down to two, they get Marvin Harrison plus additional draft capital,

2197
01:45:38,160 --> 01:45:40,559
Speaker 1: and boom. Now, you're the Patriots sitting there at three

2198
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 1: with Drake May and Jane Daniels on the board, and

2199
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:47,080
Speaker 1: I think that relatively speaking, you know, because Kayleb Williams

2200
01:45:47,080 --> 01:45:49,679
Speaker 1: is gonna go, but relatively speaking, that is the best

2201
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:53,920
Speaker 1: case scenario for the Patriots. If the Bears decide we

2202
01:45:53,920 --> 01:45:57,040
Speaker 1: were trading justin fields, we want a quarterback, now, you're

2203
01:45:57,080 --> 01:46:00,160
Speaker 1: probably going Caleb Williams, Drake May, one, two, and it's

2204
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:03,320
Speaker 1: Jane Daniels. The thing is, if somebody gets eager, maybe

2205
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:05,960
Speaker 1: a team like Arizona at four, or even the Charters

2206
01:46:06,000 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: at five who haven't established quarterback and want to move up,

2207
01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,479
Speaker 1: maybe you can get them to give you a little

2208
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:15,639
Speaker 1: something to move up and you know, get Marvin Harrison

2209
01:46:15,680 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 1: where you don't fall too far back, where you still

2210
01:46:18,080 --> 01:46:19,720
Speaker 1: get a chance to draft Jay and Daniels with the

2211
01:46:19,800 --> 01:46:22,960
Speaker 1: other two quarterbacks off the board. Arizona's the really interesting

2212
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:26,240
Speaker 1: one here because they have the Texans first round pick.

2213
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,679
Speaker 1: We don't know exactly what picks that good pick that's

2214
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:31,720
Speaker 1: going to be, yet they're in the playoffs. Honestly, if

2215
01:46:31,720 --> 01:46:33,599
Speaker 1: you're the Patriots, you probably want the Texans to win

2216
01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:37,080
Speaker 1: around because in theory, to move up from four to

2217
01:46:37,120 --> 01:46:40,080
Speaker 1: three right now, if the Texans lose, that's probably gonna

2218
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: be the twenty first pick. Four and twenty one for

2219
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:47,880
Speaker 1: three is a lot If that pick becomes like twenty eight,

2220
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:51,879
Speaker 1: that's a lot more realistic. And you're talking about maybe

2221
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:53,320
Speaker 1: out of the numbers in front of me, but off

2222
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:56,280
Speaker 1: the top of my head, you know, three and a

2223
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:01,479
Speaker 1: third for four and twenty eight, and there's your second

2224
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 1: and then you go down and you get the tackle

2225
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 1: there with that second pick from the Cardinals after you

2226
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:09,160
Speaker 1: Jake take Jane Daniels. That that's another really good Seatriots.

2227
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:12,120
Speaker 2: If I'm a Patriots fan. Yeah, and I just gave

2228
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:15,400
Speaker 2: this whole soliloquy of why I wouldn't take Marvin Harrison Jr.

2229
01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 2: I am pumped at Marvin Harrison Junior just declared, because, Yeah,

2230
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 2: I think that there's a very I think the first

2231
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:26,160
Speaker 2: scenario that you broke down of Washington and Chicago switching

2232
01:47:26,200 --> 01:47:28,599
Speaker 2: places so that they both get their guy, but they

2233
01:47:28,720 --> 01:47:30,600
Speaker 2: also get kind of what they want out of this

2234
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 2: draft leaves the Patriots at three with their choice of

2235
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:37,400
Speaker 2: Drake may or Jayden Daniels. You could not ask for

2236
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:39,920
Speaker 2: a better scenario. Yeah, the only reason why you can't

2237
01:47:39,920 --> 01:47:41,439
Speaker 2: you could ask for a better scenarios because now you

2238
01:47:41,479 --> 01:47:44,519
Speaker 2: have to pick right now, you have to pick one now.

2239
01:47:45,000 --> 01:47:47,200
Speaker 1: Now you know that's.

2240
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalees falling in your lap, right is to have

2241
01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 2: the chance to get both of those guys right.

2242
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:54,120
Speaker 1: No, absolutely, and we've got, you know, a little ways

2243
01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 1: to go before that comes up. But to your point,

2244
01:47:56,880 --> 01:47:59,040
Speaker 1: the more players on the board the better. At the

2245
01:47:59,120 --> 01:48:00,840
Speaker 1: end of the day, Caleb william still hasn't declared, by

2246
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,200
Speaker 1: the way, and we're still going on that. There's some.

2247
01:48:05,080 --> 01:48:07,719
Speaker 2: Breaking Patriots news, but like I'm not breaking any news

2248
01:48:07,720 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 2: by saying this. There's definitely some rebelings that he might

2249
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:14,080
Speaker 2: go back there. Yeah yeah, and some tea leaves like

2250
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,840
Speaker 2: like guys is going into the portal and stuff like ye, so.

2251
01:48:17,160 --> 01:48:20,160
Speaker 1: Well, some of that might be Miller Moss, USC's backup quarterback.

2252
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,120
Speaker 1: Had a great Bowl game. But will Howard a lot

2253
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:24,519
Speaker 1: of people thought he was gonna end up at USC.

2254
01:48:24,680 --> 01:48:27,240
Speaker 1: He was close. He goes to Ohio State. They had

2255
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm blanking the guy's last name, Malachi something yeah or well,

2256
01:48:33,000 --> 01:48:35,439
Speaker 1: so they had a five star recruit who was a freshman.

2257
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:38,160
Speaker 1: He transferred out uh Dante Moore, who was a five

2258
01:48:38,160 --> 01:48:40,559
Speaker 1: star cruit at UCLA who transferred a lot of people

2259
01:48:40,600 --> 01:48:42,120
Speaker 1: thought he was going to go to USC. He's not

2260
01:48:42,200 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 1: going to Boise State. Yeah, or no, he went to Oregon. Sorry,

2261
01:48:45,760 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 1: the USC guy transferred to Boise State. There's some tea

2262
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:48,920
Speaker 1: leaves there.

2263
01:48:49,160 --> 01:48:53,120
Speaker 2: But here's the it's the NIL landscape has changed everything.

2264
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 2: Jim Nagy tweeted this out. I think I sent it

2265
01:48:56,240 --> 01:48:59,160
Speaker 2: to you so far only well, I guess thirty five.

2266
01:48:59,200 --> 01:49:00,960
Speaker 2: Now if you count, it's actually.

2267
01:49:00,640 --> 01:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Closer to forty because there's some guys who've declared that

2268
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:03,439
Speaker 1: aren't listed yet.

2269
01:49:03,439 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 2: So let's say forty guys. Yeah, are gonna declare for

2270
01:49:06,360 --> 01:49:09,479
Speaker 2: the draft. Underclassmen, I'm sorry, underclassmen are going to declare

2271
01:49:09,479 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 2: for the draft and a normal draft pre NIL that

2272
01:49:12,600 --> 01:49:15,360
Speaker 2: was like one hundred one and forty was the twenty

2273
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:17,680
Speaker 2: nineteen number, which was the last normal year before you

2274
01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:18,680
Speaker 2: got into the COVID years.

2275
01:49:18,720 --> 01:49:21,920
Speaker 1: No, you're exactly right. Yeah, I will say, So, what

2276
01:49:22,280 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 1: would happen if you lose Kayleb Williams? Then I think

2277
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: the Bears definitely stick with justin Fields. Then you get

2278
01:49:30,680 --> 01:49:35,280
Speaker 1: probably somebody trades up to one to draft Drake mayh

2279
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 1: and now you might have to move up to two

2280
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:39,360
Speaker 1: to get Jade Daniels, or you hope, you hope that

2281
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,520
Speaker 1: maybe somebody wants Marvin Harrison Junior in there, but probably

2282
01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:45,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna get Chicago trading out of one too. Or sorry,

2283
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:48,800
Speaker 1: you hope Washington still trades with Chicago, but it's just

2284
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:52,920
Speaker 1: Washington takes Drake May one, Chicago takes Marvin Harrison second.

2285
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:54,080
Speaker 1: And the more you don't have the.

2286
01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,519
Speaker 2: Choice, the more options that they can give the Bears

2287
01:49:56,520 --> 01:49:58,639
Speaker 2: and the commands that one and two the better. Yeah,

2288
01:49:58,680 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 2: because that that that makes the quarterback fall right into

2289
01:50:01,400 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 2: your lap. If those two teams are one's Caleb, one's

2290
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:07,639
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, and then you fall fall right into your The.

2291
01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:10,680
Speaker 1: Worst worst case scenario is Caleb Williams doesn't come out

2292
01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 1: and the Bears still decide they're done with Justin Fields.

2293
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:15,880
Speaker 1: I don't think that's gonna happen. Yeah, but that would

2294
01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:19,599
Speaker 1: be Now now it's Joealt at that point, it's Joald

2295
01:50:19,640 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 1: all right.

2296
01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 2: We have one more call and then I want to

2297
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 2: give I want to wrap with our final thoughts on today.

2298
01:50:24,439 --> 01:50:25,839
Speaker 2: Miles is in State College.

2299
01:50:25,840 --> 01:50:27,280
Speaker 1: What's up? Miles?

2300
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:32,599
Speaker 6: As the own guys, My question is if they go

2301
01:50:32,760 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 6: with Joe Walt or like Olufashano or even Marvin Harrison Junior,

2302
01:50:37,040 --> 01:50:39,720
Speaker 6: who I know you guys didn't say you wanted, but

2303
01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:41,840
Speaker 6: I think he's just so good. If they go with

2304
01:50:41,920 --> 01:50:44,760
Speaker 6: the non quarterback, what do they do with quarterback next year?

2305
01:50:44,760 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 6: Do they just give it back to mac Jones, they

2306
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:49,320
Speaker 6: go and get someone? What do you what do you

2307
01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:49,920
Speaker 6: guys think they do?

2308
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a really fair question, Miles, and something that

2309
01:50:52,160 --> 01:50:53,759
Speaker 2: like we need to unpack all the angles.

2310
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:56,880
Speaker 1: It's a good question. So well, can I say who's

2311
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,559
Speaker 1: the coach? Right? That's a point that's a big part

2312
01:50:59,560 --> 01:50:59,720
Speaker 1: of it.

2313
01:50:59,760 --> 01:51:03,880
Speaker 2: Who's so My guess is is that I don't want

2314
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,160
Speaker 2: to rule and shouldn't say guess. I don't want to

2315
01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:09,719
Speaker 2: rule out the fact that maybe, uh, there's a veteran

2316
01:51:09,800 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 2: quarterback that that catches whoever's in charges. I right, like

2317
01:51:13,680 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 2: whether that's you know, I'm not for this, I'm not

2318
01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:21,160
Speaker 2: advocating for it, but Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins, you.

2319
01:51:21,160 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 1: Know, one of trying to find the Baker Mayfield basically, Yeah,

2320
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:24,639
Speaker 1: and I don't think.

2321
01:51:24,479 --> 01:51:28,400
Speaker 2: It's gonna be or even just their bridge, right if

2322
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:32,479
Speaker 2: they do something like that. I'm not totally opposed to it,

2323
01:51:33,000 --> 01:51:40,479
Speaker 2: but I'm still taking a Camors, Michael Pratt your guy, Like,

2324
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm still taking one of these guys on day two,

2325
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:45,840
Speaker 2: and I'm making him Jalen Hurts right, Like, I'm taking

2326
01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:49,200
Speaker 2: a second round quarterback that has some starter upside. But

2327
01:51:49,240 --> 01:51:54,240
Speaker 2: if you want to pair you know, bo Nicks with uh,

2328
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, one of these these bridge quarterback types, Russell

2329
01:51:58,439 --> 01:52:01,120
Speaker 2: Wilson for on a on a re a contract or

2330
01:52:01,120 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 2: something like that, I guess I could. I'm okay with that.

2331
01:52:04,920 --> 01:52:07,040
Speaker 2: It's not what I would do. I would just take

2332
01:52:07,080 --> 01:52:09,120
Speaker 2: the damn quarterback at the top of the draft and

2333
01:52:09,160 --> 01:52:13,120
Speaker 2: be done. But it's it's a feasible thing. And I

2334
01:52:13,160 --> 01:52:15,280
Speaker 2: think that the good thing is is that we're going

2335
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:17,600
Speaker 2: to go through March, We're going to go through free agency,

2336
01:52:17,880 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 2: and we'll probably have a determination of kind of like

2337
01:52:21,240 --> 01:52:23,559
Speaker 2: the twenty one draft where they went into the draft

2338
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:25,880
Speaker 2: without any real options at quarterall.

2339
01:52:25,560 --> 01:52:28,080
Speaker 1: They Cam remember they signed cat Cam is not a

2340
01:52:28,120 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 1: real option at court. No, that's a little revisionist history.

2341
01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:33,720
Speaker 1: That's not true. We thought there were a lot of

2342
01:52:33,720 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 1: people that thought they were going to run that. Well,

2343
01:52:35,439 --> 01:52:38,160
Speaker 1: maybe take a guy later on. No, we were talking

2344
01:52:38,160 --> 01:52:40,320
Speaker 1: about I don't remember. Oh no, we we but no,

2345
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:42,880
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people that were saying that, oh,

2346
01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:44,400
Speaker 1: it's going to be Cam and they'll draft a guy

2347
01:52:44,439 --> 01:52:45,639
Speaker 1: later on. But you know whatever.

2348
01:52:45,880 --> 01:52:49,559
Speaker 2: Okay, So final thoughts on Bill. We just got an

2349
01:52:49,600 --> 01:52:53,720
Speaker 2: email from from from Steve Right that I think there

2350
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:56,000
Speaker 2: is I don't know if it's the majority, but it's

2351
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 2: there are certainly people that feel this way. And this

2352
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:01,440
Speaker 2: is a negative slant on this whole thing. Very disappointed

2353
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:05,240
Speaker 2: them partying bays with two of the greatest Patriots didn't

2354
01:53:05,240 --> 01:53:08,240
Speaker 2: even retire as Patriots. Talking about Bill Belichick and Tom

2355
01:53:08,280 --> 01:53:12,200
Speaker 2: Brady crafts. I won't read that part. Are we going

2356
01:53:12,240 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 2: to start going back to seeing Victor? Kayam, YadA, YadA, YadA. Basically,

2357
01:53:16,200 --> 01:53:21,639
Speaker 2: the point of this email is that the Patriots drove

2358
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,360
Speaker 2: Bill out of town and it was a mistake and

2359
01:53:24,800 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 2: there's no loyalty. That's the subject line, No loyalty, And

2360
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:32,040
Speaker 2: I would just say that go back today and this

2361
01:53:32,160 --> 01:53:35,360
Speaker 2: is this is my biggest takeaway from today. My biggest

2362
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 2: takeaway from today was that I think that both Bill

2363
01:53:39,160 --> 01:53:44,639
Speaker 2: and Robert were adults about it, recognize that the product

2364
01:53:44,720 --> 01:53:46,599
Speaker 2: on the field for the last three or four years

2365
01:53:46,600 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 2: has not been anywhere close to good enough. Let's face it,

2366
01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:53,040
Speaker 2: they really were not competitive for four seasons. Like I

2367
01:53:53,160 --> 01:53:55,360
Speaker 2: understand they made the playoffs in twenty one, Yeah, but

2368
01:53:55,400 --> 01:53:58,000
Speaker 2: that was a feel good season and they weren't They

2369
01:53:58,000 --> 01:54:01,240
Speaker 2: weren't winning anything. They didn't win the Vision, they snuck

2370
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:03,360
Speaker 2: in as a wild card and they got their doors

2371
01:54:03,360 --> 01:54:04,040
Speaker 2: blown off.

2372
01:54:03,960 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 1: Right like that.

2373
01:54:04,760 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 2: That's that's a reality. I think that you look at

2374
01:54:08,280 --> 01:54:13,320
Speaker 2: the situation and I We've said it multiple times on

2375
01:54:13,360 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 2: this on this episode, the timelines for the two powers

2376
01:54:19,439 --> 01:54:22,160
Speaker 2: that be in the Patriots organization did not match up.

2377
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:25,120
Speaker 2: Robert Kraft wants to get back to winning as soon

2378
01:54:25,160 --> 01:54:27,960
Speaker 2: as possible, but he also wants to be a sustained winner.

2379
01:54:28,439 --> 01:54:31,360
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to have a twenty twenty one feel

2380
01:54:31,439 --> 01:54:34,400
Speaker 2: good season and then have a completely blow up in

2381
01:54:34,400 --> 01:54:37,040
Speaker 2: his face in twenty two and twenty three. He wants

2382
01:54:37,080 --> 01:54:40,560
Speaker 2: to have a sustained football program of winning. Like you're

2383
01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:42,000
Speaker 2: not gonna win a Super Bowl as much as you

2384
01:54:42,040 --> 01:54:44,360
Speaker 2: did with the with the peak Brady Belichick. Heres, we

2385
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,840
Speaker 2: know that, but just in terms of, like, you know

2386
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 2: what the Pittsburgh Steelers have done right where like, even

2387
01:54:49,680 --> 01:54:53,360
Speaker 2: if they're not Super Bowl power, they're they're back in

2388
01:54:53,400 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 2: the playoffs this year they won ten games, right like

2389
01:54:56,280 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 2: that sort of thing. And I really feel like both

2390
01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:04,280
Speaker 2: guys accepted the fact that that Bill was not the

2391
01:55:04,360 --> 01:55:08,880
Speaker 2: right man for the current job at hand with the Patriots.

2392
01:55:09,320 --> 01:55:12,080
Speaker 2: And I understand people that feel the loyalty thing and

2393
01:55:12,120 --> 01:55:14,440
Speaker 2: are upset by this and all that, but that would

2394
01:55:14,480 --> 01:55:16,840
Speaker 2: be my rebuttal to you is that I think that

2395
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:20,520
Speaker 2: both sides recognized in this situation that the best thing

2396
01:55:20,560 --> 01:55:23,640
Speaker 2: to do was to move on because Bill's timeline in

2397
01:55:23,680 --> 01:55:26,880
Speaker 2: the Patriots timeline, and Bill's vision and the Patriots vision

2398
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:29,720
Speaker 2: and so on and so forth were no longer aligned.

2399
01:55:30,200 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 2: And if you don't have alignment like that, then it's

2400
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 2: not gonna work. And I think that they's two people

2401
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:41,880
Speaker 2: came to the table and they said, we need to

2402
01:55:42,080 --> 01:55:46,040
Speaker 2: rebuild from Robert Craft's perspective. Bill wants to go after

2403
01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:50,480
Speaker 2: Shula from his perspective, and it didn't make sense to

2404
01:55:50,520 --> 01:55:53,080
Speaker 2: do it here anymore. And I think that you have

2405
01:55:53,160 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 2: to realize that that's it's not him pushing him out

2406
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:59,560
Speaker 2: the door. It's not the media pushing him out the door.

2407
01:56:00,120 --> 01:56:02,000
Speaker 2: And the fact of the matter is is that this

2408
01:56:02,280 --> 01:56:05,160
Speaker 2: it was just time. It was just time to walk away.

2409
01:56:05,320 --> 01:56:07,800
Speaker 1: It was. And it doesn't take away from I feel

2410
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:10,800
Speaker 1: like there's so many people saying today diminishes Bill Belichick's legacy.

2411
01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:13,200
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It was gonna end. He was either gonna

2412
01:56:13,200 --> 01:56:18,480
Speaker 1: retire or something like it was gonna end. So it

2413
01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:21,240
Speaker 1: doesn't diminish his legacy at all. He's still the greatest

2414
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,240
Speaker 1: coach of all time. Uh it was. It's still the

2415
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:26,240
Speaker 1: greatest run of all time. It will not be matched.

2416
01:56:26,240 --> 01:56:28,040
Speaker 1: I know Brady said it would be hard to be matched.

2417
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,600
Speaker 1: That's very diplomatic of him. It will not be matched.

2418
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:35,360
Speaker 1: And but but sometimes it's just the way it goes.

2419
01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:37,440
Speaker 1: It's got to end. And and this was a logical

2420
01:56:37,560 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 1: ending point. And the other thing is because if they

2421
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 1: didn't end it here, that was gonna be it that

2422
01:56:43,640 --> 01:56:45,720
Speaker 1: because they were gonna have to extend him. He wasn't

2423
01:56:45,720 --> 01:56:46,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a lame duck.

2424
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:49,560
Speaker 2: Coach and he was just gonna stumble to the Shuler record, right.

2425
01:56:49,640 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it it just it had to happen. It hurts, yeah,

2426
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:54,400
Speaker 1: but sometimes he got to rip the bandit off, and

2427
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:56,680
Speaker 1: that's what they did. I think you can still appreciate it,

2428
01:56:56,720 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 1: you can still absolutely celebrate him. Today sucks like like

2429
01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:03,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just gonna say, it's tough that this is

2430
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:04,920
Speaker 1: all you said it earlier. This is all we've ever

2431
01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 1: really known watching football is Bill Belichick teams. It feels

2432
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:10,600
Speaker 1: a lot like it did when Brady left. And obviously

2433
01:57:10,640 --> 01:57:13,000
Speaker 1: when Brady left things didn't go great at the quarterback position.

2434
01:57:13,160 --> 01:57:15,680
Speaker 1: Who knows what's going to happen to coach, but there's

2435
01:57:15,680 --> 01:57:17,280
Speaker 1: an argument to be made for the W know who

2436
01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 1: is better than the W You don't. But I feel

2437
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:21,920
Speaker 1: like that's what last year was when they went seven

2438
01:57:21,960 --> 01:57:25,160
Speaker 1: and ten or whatever it was eight nine last year

2439
01:57:25,240 --> 01:57:27,920
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, I'm saying, and it was kind

2440
01:57:27,960 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 1: of a discombobulated season, and there were some issues. A

2441
01:57:31,960 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 1: lot of people wanted him fired then, and Evan, me

2442
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:35,520
Speaker 1: and you were among them saying, he's Bill Belichick. He

2443
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:38,360
Speaker 1: given one more year the game, one more year. It

2444
01:57:38,400 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 1: only got worse. And it's just what. It's a business

2445
01:57:41,720 --> 01:57:42,880
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it's a business. It

2446
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 1: would have been great if he could retire a Patriot.

2447
01:57:45,320 --> 01:57:49,120
Speaker 1: It's just not I just don't think it wasn't in

2448
01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:49,520
Speaker 1: the cards.

2449
01:57:49,560 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 2: It got to the point where I think for both

2450
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:55,320
Speaker 2: sides it just wasn't successful anymore. No, and I think

2451
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 2: it wasn't enjoyable for either one of them. I honestly,

2452
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 2: this season, more than any other season, I think I

2453
01:58:01,120 --> 01:58:02,440
Speaker 2: saw Bill deflated.

2454
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 3: Oh.

2455
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:04,800
Speaker 1: Bill did not enjoy himself this year. Bill did not

2456
01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:06,840
Speaker 1: And I know he said he still enjoys coaching, and

2457
01:58:06,840 --> 01:58:09,440
Speaker 1: I buy that he did not enjoy coaching this team

2458
01:58:09,480 --> 01:58:11,600
Speaker 1: this year. He did not enjoy being here.

2459
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it again, the Patriots are going

2460
01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:19,200
Speaker 2: to go in a direction. Hopefully, whether it's Mike rabel Draw,

2461
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 2: you know, Girodmeo, or somebody else that is going to

2462
01:58:22,760 --> 01:58:26,360
Speaker 2: be on here for the long term that's gonna be

2463
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:29,120
Speaker 2: able to coach the Patriots for the next decade. And

2464
01:58:29,160 --> 01:58:32,520
Speaker 2: the realistic timeline for Bill Belichick is that he's coaching

2465
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:33,720
Speaker 2: for two to three more years.

2466
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:34,000
Speaker 1: Max.

2467
01:58:34,040 --> 01:58:35,800
Speaker 2: The guy's seventy one years old. He's going to be

2468
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:40,280
Speaker 2: seventy two in a couple months. The realistic scenario is

2469
01:58:40,320 --> 01:58:42,680
Speaker 2: that he's coaching for two or three more years. The

2470
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:45,800
Speaker 2: Patriots probably are not going to be if everything goes

2471
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:48,680
Speaker 2: well for them in the draft, free agency, all that

2472
01:58:49,200 --> 01:58:51,600
Speaker 2: the Patriots are probably not going to be a super

2473
01:58:51,640 --> 01:58:55,280
Speaker 2: Bowl caliber team for two or three more years.

2474
01:58:55,160 --> 01:58:57,560
Speaker 1: Right, And that doesn't mean they won't be competitive.

2475
01:58:57,200 --> 01:58:59,160
Speaker 2: Right, So Bill is going to build the team all

2476
01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:01,160
Speaker 2: the way back up, and then by the time he's

2477
01:59:01,200 --> 01:59:03,880
Speaker 2: seventy five years old and he can't coach anymore because

2478
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:07,520
Speaker 2: he's you know, tired, Right, then the Patriots are gonna

2479
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,800
Speaker 2: be good again. And what for him? Right, does he

2480
01:59:10,840 --> 01:59:12,880
Speaker 2: even have Shilow's record, Like if they win four or

2481
01:59:12,880 --> 01:59:16,640
Speaker 2: five games a year four years, he's not gonna have it. No,

2482
01:59:16,680 --> 01:59:19,560
Speaker 2: you're right, So the timelines didn't line up anymore. I

2483
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:22,480
Speaker 2: hate that it had ended this way. We're both, you know,

2484
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:25,120
Speaker 2: we both wish that it didn't have to end like this,

2485
01:59:25,400 --> 01:59:29,160
Speaker 2: trust me, we really do. As for Alex and I,

2486
01:59:29,600 --> 01:59:32,640
Speaker 2: we'll be back next Thursday, probably back to our normal time.

2487
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:35,000
Speaker 2: Today the schedule was all over the place with Bill

2488
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:38,280
Speaker 2: and everything like that. Probably back to ten am on

2489
01:59:38,320 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 2: Thursday mornings, and we'll be back more to like draft

2490
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:44,960
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. But obviously there's gonna be head

2491
01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:48,600
Speaker 2: coaching interviews, general manager interviews. This is gonna be one

2492
01:59:48,640 --> 01:59:50,800
Speaker 2: heck of an offseason, Alex, Like, this is gonna be

2493
01:59:51,200 --> 01:59:51,600
Speaker 2: a while.

2494
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:52,920
Speaker 1: I've never seen anything like that.

2495
01:59:53,160 --> 01:59:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for us, that thought that we could go

2496
01:59:56,280 --> 01:59:58,600
Speaker 2: to sleep and like maybe take a vacation. And now

2497
01:59:58,600 --> 02:00:00,720
Speaker 2: that the season is over morell are you ready to

2498
02:00:00,760 --> 02:00:02,840
Speaker 2: live here some more? We're ready to do it. So

2499
02:00:03,320 --> 02:00:05,280
Speaker 2: we'll see you guys next Thursdays. Thanks so much for

2500
02:00:05,360 --> 02:00:08,040
Speaker 2: listening and watching, and you know, Pour went out for

2501
02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:09,320
Speaker 2: Bill tonight. It was a great run.

2502
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:15,920
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2503
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