WEBVTT - What Really Is Positive Body Image? 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:04.520 I won't let my body out out well everything that 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.920 I'm made dope, won't spend my life trying to change. 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.440 I'm learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong, 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:17.640 I feel free, I know who everybody me. It's beautiful 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:24.439 and then will always out way if you feel it 0:00:24.520 --> 0:00:27.200 with your hands in the here, she's some love to 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.960 the boom. I get there. Let's say good day and 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:38.479 did you and die out Happy Saturday. Welcome to outweigh Hey. 0:00:38.560 --> 0:00:41.320 Cat Defot is here with me. I Amy here and 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:44.080 we always say hey outweigh fam. So I'm gonna say 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:47.760 you can say it hey outweiy fam. So. Lisa is 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.280 not here today. She is at home with her sweet 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.400 new baby, and I gotta say, if you haven't listened 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:56.160 to her birthing story on her own podcast that she 0:00:56.200 --> 0:01:00.000 has called The Truthiest Life, definitely go check out that episode. 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.480 It's very fascinating, interesting, shoot a great job with it. 0:01:03.800 --> 0:01:06.840 And I'm glad that Cat can come and fill in 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:09.000 and be my co host for today as she is 0:01:09.080 --> 0:01:12.960 a licensed therapist that is the specializes in and she's 0:01:12.959 --> 0:01:17.119 an expert in body image and eating disorders and helping 0:01:17.200 --> 0:01:19.840 navigate all of that which is perfect for today's episode 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:25.360 because I feel very confused in the space of body 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:30.440 positivity and the body liberation and how am I supposed 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.240 to feel on my body? And I see people things 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:35.360 doing online that seem like they're supposed to be helpful, 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:39.440 but then in a way they are now toxic. So Cat, 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.039 you're here to clear, uh, what all this is and 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:46.440 how we can just show up better for ourselves after 0:01:46.480 --> 0:01:48.800 seeing all the things that we see on Instagram and TikTok, 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:52.200 and then how we can show up for others. So 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:55.240 why do you feel like this is an important conversation? 0:01:55.480 --> 0:01:59.400 Well for many reasons, but one, there's so much information 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:01.640 out there, and I talked about this all the time. 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:03.800 I'm so grateful for the ability for us to get 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:06.360 information the way we can get it now. But there's 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:09.480 so much information, and it's coming from a lot of 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.600 different people. Some are experts, some are not, Some are 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.919 well meaning, some have done research, some haven't. But it's 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:20.679 some are trying to get likes and clicks, and they're 0:02:21.280 --> 0:02:22.440 one of the things that I want to talk about 0:02:22.440 --> 0:02:25.000 it because you're right, some people are capitalizing on something 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.960 that has become popular and accepted, and then they use 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:29.919 it and then becomes more of a revenue stream than 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.120 what it was in the beginning. So all that to say, 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:34.239 I think we need to talk about because I get 0:02:34.280 --> 0:02:37.799 confused because even I where I have this knowledge and 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:40.119 this education in the back of my head, I get 0:02:40.120 --> 0:02:43.360 on social media or the Internet or Google, and I'm like, wait, 0:02:43.400 --> 0:02:46.560 it's like going to web MD. It's like good compared 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.800 too much information? And who do I trust? And and 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:52.920 oftentimes when I diagnose myself with something on web m D, 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.040 I not that web m D doesn't give me helpful information, 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:01.040 but often times I'm completely wrong. And when I seek 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:04.800 a professional for what's happening, I realized, like, oh, because 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:07.760 there's nuances to fect those things. And web MD wasn't 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.400 created to like hurt people and scare people, but it 0:03:10.520 --> 0:03:12.680 just with put in the wrong hands, it can become 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.680 a scary thing. So I just think there's a lot 0:03:14.720 --> 0:03:19.000 of information. The information changes often, and I know that 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.400 I get confused. I have so many clients that come 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:23.240 in and they're like, I want to be this, but 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:24.960 now should I be this? Or is it bad to 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.480 say this? I heard this person say this, and now 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:29.799 I feel shamed because I'm and so I just think 0:03:29.800 --> 0:03:32.120 we need to talk about. Okay, well, let's start with 0:03:32.360 --> 0:03:37.240 what is body positivity? Okay, So the question that I'm 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:41.040 going to answer, actually it's what is the body positivity movement? Okay? Yes, 0:03:41.040 --> 0:03:44.840 so that is one thing. So that's that's one box 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.400 situation over here. So that is a movement that it's 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:52.400 focused on the acceptance of all bodies, regardless of your size, 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.800 your shape, your skin tone, your gender, your your physical abilities. 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:58.800 And it kind of fights against I guess the present 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:02.480 day beauty standards, which side I don't want to completely derail. 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.720 How Like a lot of people are following suit with this, 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:08.200 Like in two thousand and eighteen, Miss America got rid 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.880 of the swimsuit competition in an effort to be more 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.400 you know, accepted with what's happening and you know, this movement, 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:20.160 and then they recently announced that now they are no 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:23.600 longer judging contestants on beauty, but on mental health. I 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:25.840 don't know how they're going to gage that it's on 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.520 their mental health, well, mental well being, like they're I 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:33.080 don't know. Listen, I'm paraphrasing the headline that I well, 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:35.400 I read the whole article, but I just can't popped 0:04:35.400 --> 0:04:36.839 into my head and I don't have it in front 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:39.040 of me. So if people are interested to read more, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.200 you can go google those keywords and it will come 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.200 up and you can read about it. I mean, I 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:47.279 guess it just means they're going to be judging people 0:04:47.560 --> 0:04:50.760 from the inside, like their their health. Do they take 0:04:50.760 --> 0:04:55.719 their blood pressure by stage? And then do they see 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.200 how much sleep they're getting? Well? I just are they 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:02.720 in therapy like they like, I'm like it. Trust me, 0:05:02.720 --> 0:05:06.560 I would not win Miss America right now. Just do 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:11.240 you do puzzles like yes, yes, what are your therapeutic activities? 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:16.800 Are you breathing? What's your breathing exercise? So anyway derailed 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:20.479 from that, but like, yes, society we're making a shift 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.400 and there's a lot of confusion in this shift, and 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.919 I feel like we'll get there. We need guidance. But 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.360 the question I would ask, and I don't know people 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:30.560 would be honest about, ask the people that are in 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:34.520 charge of Miss America what is the motivation behind changing that? 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.280 Because what has happened is so this body positivity movement 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:41.640 started and it started a long time ago, like it 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.680 came out of the fat acceptance movement, which I think 0:05:44.760 --> 0:05:47.440 is from the nineteen sixties, so it came out of 0:05:47.480 --> 0:05:50.720 that and it was created for one reason. Well, then 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.760 that time goes by and now people are capitalizing on 0:05:55.960 --> 0:05:58.920 that and they're using it to like monetize their business. 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:03.560 So I would ask the people of Miss America, what 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:07.600 is your motivation? Is it because you're seeing the benefits 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.320 of looking at different parts of people's beauty whatever that 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.560 actually means, or is this going to actually help you 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:19.359 gain and and remain and keep I don't know, watchers 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:25.080 viewership watchers, well, which then and keep your advertising revenue? 0:06:25.240 --> 0:06:28.320 Yeah a lot, Miss America Life, Yes, and and and 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:30.960 please yeah, please people that pay for ads for their 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.599 stuff and all that. And so that is one of 0:06:33.600 --> 0:06:36.960 the issues that we're seeing that actually messes with the 0:06:36.960 --> 0:06:41.840 whole point of the body positivity movement because any company 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.640 can attach to that. Let's say that I am like 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:48.400 a weight loss supplement. I can attach to that, and 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.599 I can create language that says like create a body 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.159 that you can love or something like that. And it's 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:58.120 talking about loving your body and all that, but it's 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.440 also talking about changing engine it. I love it. Yes, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.520 And if you remember, like back in the day, this 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:08.080 is probably like I don't know, twelve to fifteen. I 0:07:08.080 --> 0:07:12.320 could be wrong. But when all those Dove commercials came out, yes, yeah, 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:15.040 they actually got a lot of like criticism that probably 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:18.680 most people didn't see for those ads because they created 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.560 this whole campaign. But they created that campaign to self 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:26.600 soap okay, But it did start a conversation. Allows for 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.280 people to turn on the TV and see people that 0:07:29.320 --> 0:07:32.600 didn't just look like this standard of what you know 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:34.880 it is typically out there. It did start a conversation, 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:37.880 and from my perspective back then, I didn't see anything 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.920 wrong with it. I would play some of those commercials. 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:42.200 I remember playing them in groups that I was doing 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:44.960 when I was working at a treatment center. So now 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:48.680 that we are, we are now what's well because and 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:51.000 it's all because of the motivation. So what we're looking 0:07:51.040 --> 0:07:54.040 at is the people that are attaching to body positivity 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:57.040 and that movement. Are we attaching to that because that's 0:07:57.040 --> 0:08:01.600 going to help us gain money or power or followers 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.280 or whatever. And is it coming from that place or 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:05.760 is it coming from a place of what this is 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.880 actually created for, which is to help empower human beings. 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:11.840 The other thing is the language, because so many people 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.040 are using it, and they're using it to benefit their 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.040 specific avenue. The language is getting shifted and changed and 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:23.280 messed with. So what once was something that is promoted 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:27.120 to help people, no matter what your physical ability is, 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.400 no matter what you look like, no matter any of 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:33.720 that is created to create like equality, it's shifted into this, 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.520 like you should love what you look like, and you 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:39.120 should love your cellulite, and you should love that you 0:08:39.160 --> 0:08:42.160 have this disability maybe or you should love And the 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.840 point of it is it for it not to matter. Okay, 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.560 So when we bring attention to because I follow a 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:51.400 couple of people on Instagram that highlight their cellulite and 0:08:51.760 --> 0:08:55.560 they do that, I assume so that other girls, I'll 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.400 just give an example, will be like, Oh, for so 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.920 many summers, I wore genes and I was sweating and 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:02.920 burning hot because it was too embarrassed to be in 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:05.320 shorts because I didn't want anybody to see my cellulite. 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.040 And now I'm all out there and I'm putting on 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.920 shorts and I want you to be brave, but then 0:09:10.960 --> 0:09:13.440 it's being brave exactly. I know, it's a whole lot 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:14.920 of we have to talk about it. I know, well, 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:20.320 I'm just telling you what I see because and they're 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.120 defined yes, it is like, oh wow, if she can 0:09:23.120 --> 0:09:24.480 do it, I can do it. So this is this 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:28.680 feeling of like being you know, quote unquote brave. So 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.600 then they show like even the lighting, how in certain 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.000 lighting they have no cellulight, and then today and the sunlight, bam, 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.320 there's the cellulight and hey, look look at me, I 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.480 have it too. And then hopefully that inspires other people 0:09:41.520 --> 0:09:44.040 to put on shorts and love their cellulite, which is 0:09:44.280 --> 0:09:47.800 awesome motivation. Okay, And I used to follow tons of 0:09:47.800 --> 0:09:50.120 accounts like that, and that's what I'm saying. Everything shifting 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:52.319 and we're getting new knowledge and we're starting to think more. 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.640 Because my thought was if she can do it, I 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:56.080 can do it, and if she doesn't have a problem, 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:57.880 that I shouldn't have a wrong. But it's like, why 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:59.840 do I have to explain it? Right? And okay, so 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.280 I want to pause, and you said you have to 0:10:01.320 --> 0:10:03.480 think for a bit, and I will challenge you if 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.199 because this has required a lot of my brain power 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.200 and it seems like something so simple because it's like 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:13.160 we're talking about okay, like posting the cellulne or maybe 0:10:13.160 --> 0:10:15.319 we shouldn't be doing that and like oh, and then 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:16.920 it just may be like, well, I don't really get 0:10:16.920 --> 0:10:18.040 what the big deal is, so I don't want to 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:20.079 take the time. It seems fine to me. But if 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:24.920 you really stop to think about it, then you'll understand 0:10:25.200 --> 0:10:28.400 what Cat is saying. Because I'm still on that journey. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.160 I'm with you if you're listening right now and you're like, 0:10:30.160 --> 0:10:32.160 I don't see what the big deal is. But then 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.120 when you dive into others that are out there really 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:41.120 a part of the body positive movement, I would say, yes, 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:43.640 there's a section of people that are like, we have 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:46.160 to stop doing stuff like that because we have to 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.920 stop implying that something like that is ever bad. Let's 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.640 say that the body positivity movement is to help create 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:57.360 equality within all people in all bodies. Okay, what I'm 0:10:57.400 --> 0:10:59.680 looking at with that, a lot of people might not 0:10:59.760 --> 0:11:02.440 look at because the initial reaction to a post like 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:05.120 you're describing is like that's awesome, thank you, Yes, But 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.000 what I'm looking at it is what is the messaging 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.800 that's continued to be created and explain the message that 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:14.320 I am a I'm a woman that is not a 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:18.560 size too or zerr whatever that has cellulite, and I 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:21.520 need to show you that I can be okay with 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:25.240 my cellulite, rather than why do I have to explain that? 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.240 Why is that a conversation? Why if I posted a picture, 0:11:28.280 --> 0:11:30.880 are you immediately looking at the cellulit? Why can't I 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:33.200 post a picture of myself and it just be a 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.079 picture of myself? Well, because for so long people air 0:11:36.160 --> 0:11:40.240 brush cellulite and didn't show it and covered it up, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:42.440 you know, and then you turn the corner and there's 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.640 this cellulite treatment and the cellulate cream, and so we're 0:11:45.679 --> 0:11:48.880 normalizing it. But so we're that is not okay. So 0:11:48.920 --> 0:11:52.800 you're saying that is part of normalizing it, not part 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:56.839 of the body positive movement. Yes it's it's not part 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.040 of the body positive movement, but a lot of people 0:11:59.080 --> 0:12:02.160 are attaching themselves to it, because that's watering down the 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.520 actual movement, and the movement is so separate than positive 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.160 body image and negative body image, which which we'll get to. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.560 What I wanna again say is that when we are 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.760 posting things and creating a conversation, that has to be 0:12:14.840 --> 0:12:17.920 continued to have Okay, every time I post a picture 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:20.400 of myself, I don't have to explain that I am 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.960 accepting of my body. It just gets to be a thing. 0:12:23.320 --> 0:12:27.320 But right now, the immediate ideas she probably doesn't accept 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:29.440 her body because it doesn't look like what we've been 0:12:29.640 --> 0:12:32.880 pushing for years and years and years as a perfect 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.360 or good body. And what we're trying to do now 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:38.840 is dismantle the idea that there is a good body 0:12:38.920 --> 0:12:41.520 or a bad body. So what does a body positive 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:45.160 movement posts look like like on TikTok or Instagram? If 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:47.640 it's not that, because people might see that and be like, oh, 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.200 body positive movement right there, showing me Celluli. So then 0:12:52.280 --> 0:12:54.200 I mean, I know you sent me a TikTok video 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.280 of like Lizzo? Is she an example of doing it correctly? 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.920 Lizzo is always an example of doing things. She's my 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:10.440 winning song on the Bobby Bones Show. What does that mean? Yes? 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:15.200 I gotta blame it? Okay? So yes, Lizzo had put 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.040 out this. I don't know how long ago this was, 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.640 but she had a TikTok that obviously went viral because 0:13:20.640 --> 0:13:23.000 it's Lizzo. But can we play it? Oh? Yeah, here, 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:25.240 let's play a hook of it? Right? Well, it's not 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:30.120 a song or can actually just play the clip from TikTok. 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:32.520 Actually we should give credit to the person that did it, 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:35.000 because she I don't know if it's called duet or stitch. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:38.800 She voiced over a video that Lizzo put out. So 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.440 Lizzo put out, I'll set it up. Lizo put out 0:13:41.440 --> 0:13:43.679 this video. Do you guys remember there's this, like, if 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:46.440 you are on TikTok, there's a trend where people would say, 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:48.760 bodies that look like this, I also look like this. 0:13:48.920 --> 0:13:51.480 Bodies that look like this also look like this, and 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.640 they would show a person that probably has thin privilege 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:58.720 to some extent contorting their body to make them either 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.480 have like roles or whatever her and then an image 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.760 of them also looking like they have the quotes perfect body. 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:09.520 So this girl. Okay, so it's the Lizzo TikTok and 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:13.720 then it's it's a duet and it's with Jordan x 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.959 in dot simone. So it's like signon with an E 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:18.880 on the end. So if you're wanting to find it, 0:14:18.880 --> 0:14:20.960 but that is we're giving credit. Work credit is due. 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.760 And here is what she had to say. Okay, so 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:25.120 I figured out how to phrase why I don't think 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.440 skinny people should be leading the body positivity movement, and 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:29.400 I'll be using this trend as an example, except I'll 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.720 be using Lizzo's video because I think she's doing everything right. 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:33.080 But if you watch this trend, you'll see bunch of 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:34.680 people who are showing off their body when it's posed 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:36.960 and quote unquote perfect, and then when it's unposed in 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:39.000 it's imperfect relaxed date with the back rolls and the 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:40.600 arm fat stuff like that. And the message is that 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.440 to love your body how it comes, whether it's deemed 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:45.440 as perfect or imperfect, which is definitely a super important message, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.360 except it still subscribes to the idea that there's such 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.480 thing as a perfect or an imperfect body. But what 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:51.280 Lizzo does when she shows her body in a natural 0:14:51.320 --> 0:14:53.560 state the entire time is that she challenges the idea 0:14:53.600 --> 0:14:55.440 that there's an imperfect or an imperfect body at all. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.480 Because skinny people can more or less fluctuate between the 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.840 imperfect and perfect editions of beauty, we have a harder 0:14:59.840 --> 0:15:02.280 time accepting our body and it's quote unquote imperfect way. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.520 But because fat people are deemed imperfect all the time, 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:06.880 they're having a conversation about dismantling the idea of a 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.080 perfect body at all. Long story, short's canny. People are 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.680 talking about acceptance. Fat people are talking about liberation. It's 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:14.000 perfectly normal to be insecure. I'm insecure about my body 0:15:14.040 --> 0:15:15.840 all the time. But skinny people don't confront the fact 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:17.800 that we're afraid of being fat or why, And until 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.680 we're ready to have that conversation, we shouldn't be in charge. Okay, 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:23.520 So what she is talking about is the difference between 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:26.200 maintaining that there is a good and bad, which is 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:28.800 what a lot of good, good meaning people are. These 0:15:28.800 --> 0:15:30.760 people are not bad meaning people. I do not think 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:33.920 they're there for doing this is I want to help people. 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:36.880 They're so nice, And we have to remember what is what? 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.640 What is my behavior perpetuating? What is the what is 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.640 this creating? What pattern of thinking? And that's that there's 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:44.400 a good and there as there's a bad, there's a 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:46.920 perfect and there's an imperfect body, and what we are 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:50.360 trying to identify is that there is none. And that's 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:55.760 the difference between liberation and acceptance. The body positivity movement 0:15:55.920 --> 0:16:00.400 is really more centered towards liberation, where we're creating equality 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:03.320 for any type of body versus you should accept and 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.600 love your body because I can have freedom from my 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:09.080 body and not like what my body looks like. And 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:12.280 those all get tied in to the same thing. And 0:16:12.320 --> 0:16:15.840 that's when we mix positive body image and negative body 0:16:15.880 --> 0:16:19.560 image in with the body positivity movement. Those are two 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:23.200 separate things. Okay, are you confused or you know, betracking people? 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:25.560 I'm tracking because we've been talking about it for a while. 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.880 But I know some people are not talking because it's 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:31.520 hard to grasp. It's hard. It seems simple. That's why 0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:33.400 I was saying, you have to really think. I know, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:35.520 but I mean just on the surface, you might be like, Okay, 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:37.760 I get it, I understand the difference between this and 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.800 this and this. But then we really think about it, 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.880 you don't or I didn't, and so I would yes 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.480 like for you to break it down. Okay, that's you 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.400 once did this, I think on your on your in 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:52.280 on TikTok. Well, I have a weird relationship with TikTok. 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:54.320 I just remember you did a long time ago, and 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:56.000 you're like, I'm gonna try to break this down in 0:16:56.000 --> 0:16:58.640 thirty seconds or less. Here we go, and so that's 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:00.440 what body, that's what I want you to do. There, 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.040 So yeah, that was a real on my um instagram, 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:06.720 which what is your instagram by the way, at cat 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:10.960 dot defata. There you go, d e A just kidding. 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.720 I know how to spell it, d e f A 0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.040 t t a cat with a k k at dot 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:21.720 de fata. Thank you. Okay, So then we have body 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.520 image work Okay, So then we have positive body image 0:17:24.640 --> 0:17:30.360 negative body image. Those are again separate from body positivity movements. 0:17:30.400 --> 0:17:33.719 So we're moving. Okay, So we're gonna talk now about 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:39.840 negative and positive body image separate from body positivity movement. 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:43.720 So positive body image A lot of people think that's 0:17:43.800 --> 0:17:47.320 liking what we look like, right, right, which makes sense, 0:17:48.000 --> 0:17:51.960 it's actually not. So positive body image is separating our 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.679 worth and our value from what we look like. I 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:57.600 can have positive body image and still not like like 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.920 my thighs, but then I know that my worth does 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:06.080 not come from my thighs. So negative body image is 0:18:06.520 --> 0:18:08.640 one not liking what your body looks like or thinking 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:10.920 that there's something wrong with it, but then thinking that 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:15.600 that is then directly related your worth or your value. Right, 0:18:15.760 --> 0:18:18.680 people don't like me because of my thighs or I 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:21.720 am not going to have this happened to me because 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.359 of my thighs. If only my thighs were smaller, my 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.159 life would be better. Or I don't look like her, 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:29.440 so I don't deserve that. I'm giving you examples that 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:31.600 have literally gone through my head at some point in 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:37.520 my life that my body has the power to allow 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.560 me to have or not have something that every human 0:18:40.600 --> 0:18:45.439 being inherently should have, love, belonging, acceptance. It's really that simple. 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.600 And the confusing part for a lot of people who 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.520 come to me for body image work is they come 0:18:51.560 --> 0:18:54.359 and they have this expectation that Cat is going to 0:18:54.440 --> 0:18:56.760 teach me how to look in the mirror and like 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:00.159 what I see as like my different body parts or 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.199 my hair and my eyes or my whatever. I have 0:19:02.359 --> 0:19:04.000 no idea how to teach somebody to do that. I 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.840 don't think it's possible, and I don't do that, And 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:08.520 people at first don't like that and they're like, what 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:10.800 do you mean? Like what's what do you do? Then 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:14.679 we teach you how to see you versus what you 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:17.879 look like. So I can help somebody learn how to 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:21.000 love themselves because they're actually starting to get to know 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:24.520 themselves and see themselves when they look in the mirror 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:29.720 versus just seeing all of these end quote imperfections that 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.320 really aren't imperfections, because what is imperfect and perfect about 0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:38.280 a body? We've been conditioned to believe. What's that conditioned? 0:19:38.440 --> 0:19:42.320 Conditioned literally, and that is why different cultures find different 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:46.000 things beautiful by their standards, its conditioned. And when you 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:50.320 think about that, you're like, oh, okay, yeah, even our country, 0:19:50.359 --> 0:19:52.879 like our you know, you see different cultures. There can 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:55.520 be different cultures within the United States, but you have 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:58.760 to see how we've evolved over time. In every decade 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.040 there's been a different maybe not every ten years, but 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:05.560 there's definitely since like the twenties, and then like there's 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:08.280 the fifties, the sixties and seventies, the nineties, like there's 0:20:08.359 --> 0:20:11.120 different and now here we are with the look it up. 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.720 They'll show you a little graph that shows you how 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:17.160 bodies and the desired quote unquote is that we're using 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:20.760 a lot of quote. You can't see us quoting, but 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:24.040 what the desired body looks like and it changes all 0:20:24.560 --> 0:20:27.440 the and you can't keep time, you can't keep up. Okay. 0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:29.960 A really good example that I can give of how 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:33.800 this has shifted in my own life, very simple is 0:20:34.200 --> 0:20:38.359 when I had negative body image. I thought to work 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.240 out wearing a certain kind of outfit, I had to 0:20:41.240 --> 0:20:42.920 have a certain body and if I didn't, and I 0:20:42.960 --> 0:20:45.400 didn't deserve to wear that, like being able to work 0:20:45.440 --> 0:20:47.560 out in just like a sports bra or like biker 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.600