Speaker 1: I won't let my body out out well everything that
Speaker 1: I'm made dope, won't spend my life trying to change.
Speaker 1: I'm learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
Speaker 1: I feel free, I know who everybody me. It's beautiful
Speaker 1: and then will always out way if you feel it
Speaker 1: with your hands in the here, she's some love to
Speaker 1: the boom. I get there. Let's say good day and
Speaker 1: did you and die out Happy Saturday. Welcome to outweigh Hey.
Speaker 1: Cat Defot is here with me. I Amy here and
Speaker 1: we always say hey outweigh fam. So I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: you can say it hey outweiy fam. So. Lisa is
Speaker 1: not here today. She is at home with her sweet
Speaker 1: new baby, and I gotta say, if you haven't listened
Speaker 1: to her birthing story on her own podcast that she
Speaker 1: has called The Truthiest Life, definitely go check out that episode.
Speaker 1: It's very fascinating, interesting, shoot a great job with it.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that Cat can come and fill in
Speaker 1: and be my co host for today as she is
Speaker 1: a licensed therapist that is the specializes in and she's
Speaker 1: an expert in body image and eating disorders and helping
Speaker 1: navigate all of that which is perfect for today's episode
Speaker 1: because I feel very confused in the space of body
Speaker 1: positivity and the body liberation and how am I supposed
Speaker 1: to feel on my body? And I see people things
Speaker 1: doing online that seem like they're supposed to be helpful,
Speaker 1: but then in a way they are now toxic. So Cat,
Speaker 1: you're here to clear, uh, what all this is and
Speaker 1: how we can just show up better for ourselves after
Speaker 1: seeing all the things that we see on Instagram and TikTok,
Speaker 1: and then how we can show up for others. So
Speaker 1: why do you feel like this is an important conversation?
Speaker 1: Well for many reasons, but one, there's so much information
Speaker 1: out there, and I talked about this all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for the ability for us to get
Speaker 1: information the way we can get it now. But there's
Speaker 1: so much information, and it's coming from a lot of
Speaker 1: different people. Some are experts, some are not, Some are
Speaker 1: well meaning, some have done research, some haven't. But it's
Speaker 1: some are trying to get likes and clicks, and they're
Speaker 1: one of the things that I want to talk about
Speaker 1: it because you're right, some people are capitalizing on something
Speaker 1: that has become popular and accepted, and then they use
Speaker 1: it and then becomes more of a revenue stream than
Speaker 1: what it was in the beginning. So all that to say,
Speaker 1: I think we need to talk about because I get
Speaker 1: confused because even I where I have this knowledge and
Speaker 1: this education in the back of my head, I get
Speaker 1: on social media or the Internet or Google, and I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: it's like going to web MD. It's like good compared
Speaker 1: too much information? And who do I trust? And and
Speaker 1: oftentimes when I diagnose myself with something on web m D,
Speaker 1: I not that web m D doesn't give me helpful information,
Speaker 1: but often times I'm completely wrong. And when I seek
Speaker 1: a professional for what's happening, I realized, like, oh, because
Speaker 1: there's nuances to fect those things. And web MD wasn't
Speaker 1: created to like hurt people and scare people, but it
Speaker 1: just with put in the wrong hands, it can become
Speaker 1: a scary thing. So I just think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of information. The information changes often, and I know that
Speaker 1: I get confused. I have so many clients that come
Speaker 1: in and they're like, I want to be this, but
Speaker 1: now should I be this? Or is it bad to
Speaker 1: say this? I heard this person say this, and now
Speaker 1: I feel shamed because I'm and so I just think
Speaker 1: we need to talk about. Okay, well, let's start with
Speaker 1: what is body positivity? Okay, So the question that I'm
Speaker 1: going to answer, actually it's what is the body positivity movement? Okay? Yes,
Speaker 1: so that is one thing. So that's that's one box
Speaker 1: situation over here. So that is a movement that it's
Speaker 1: focused on the acceptance of all bodies, regardless of your size,
Speaker 1: your shape, your skin tone, your gender, your your physical abilities.
Speaker 1: And it kind of fights against I guess the present
Speaker 1: day beauty standards, which side I don't want to completely derail.
Speaker 1: How Like a lot of people are following suit with this,
Speaker 1: Like in two thousand and eighteen, Miss America got rid
Speaker 1: of the swimsuit competition in an effort to be more
Speaker 1: you know, accepted with what's happening and you know, this movement,
Speaker 1: and then they recently announced that now they are no
Speaker 1: longer judging contestants on beauty, but on mental health. I
Speaker 1: don't know how they're going to gage that it's on
Speaker 1: their mental health, well, mental well being, like they're I
Speaker 1: don't know. Listen, I'm paraphrasing the headline that I well,
Speaker 1: I read the whole article, but I just can't popped
Speaker 1: into my head and I don't have it in front
Speaker 1: of me. So if people are interested to read more,
Speaker 1: you can go google those keywords and it will come
Speaker 1: up and you can read about it. I mean, I
Speaker 1: guess it just means they're going to be judging people
Speaker 1: from the inside, like their their health. Do they take
Speaker 1: their blood pressure by stage? And then do they see
Speaker 1: how much sleep they're getting? Well? I just are they
Speaker 1: in therapy like they like, I'm like it. Trust me,
Speaker 1: I would not win Miss America right now. Just do
Speaker 1: you do puzzles like yes, yes, what are your therapeutic activities?
Speaker 1: Are you breathing? What's your breathing exercise? So anyway derailed
Speaker 1: from that, but like, yes, society we're making a shift
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of confusion in this shift, and
Speaker 1: I feel like we'll get there. We need guidance. But
Speaker 1: the question I would ask, and I don't know people
Speaker 1: would be honest about, ask the people that are in
Speaker 1: charge of Miss America what is the motivation behind changing that?
Speaker 1: Because what has happened is so this body positivity movement
Speaker 1: started and it started a long time ago, like it
Speaker 1: came out of the fat acceptance movement, which I think
Speaker 1: is from the nineteen sixties, so it came out of
Speaker 1: that and it was created for one reason. Well, then
Speaker 1: that time goes by and now people are capitalizing on
Speaker 1: that and they're using it to like monetize their business.
Speaker 1: So I would ask the people of Miss America, what
Speaker 1: is your motivation? Is it because you're seeing the benefits
Speaker 1: of looking at different parts of people's beauty whatever that
Speaker 1: actually means, or is this going to actually help you
Speaker 1: gain and and remain and keep I don't know, watchers
Speaker 1: viewership watchers, well, which then and keep your advertising revenue?
Speaker 1: Yeah a lot, Miss America Life, Yes, and and and
Speaker 1: please yeah, please people that pay for ads for their
Speaker 1: stuff and all that. And so that is one of
Speaker 1: the issues that we're seeing that actually messes with the
Speaker 1: whole point of the body positivity movement because any company
Speaker 1: can attach to that. Let's say that I am like
Speaker 1: a weight loss supplement. I can attach to that, and
Speaker 1: I can create language that says like create a body
Speaker 1: that you can love or something like that. And it's
Speaker 1: talking about loving your body and all that, but it's
Speaker 1: also talking about changing engine it. I love it. Yes,
Speaker 1: And if you remember, like back in the day, this
Speaker 1: is probably like I don't know, twelve to fifteen. I
Speaker 1: could be wrong. But when all those Dove commercials came out, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: they actually got a lot of like criticism that probably
Speaker 1: most people didn't see for those ads because they created
Speaker 1: this whole campaign. But they created that campaign to self
Speaker 1: soap okay, But it did start a conversation. Allows for
Speaker 1: people to turn on the TV and see people that
Speaker 1: didn't just look like this standard of what you know
Speaker 1: it is typically out there. It did start a conversation,
Speaker 1: and from my perspective back then, I didn't see anything
Speaker 1: wrong with it. I would play some of those commercials.
Speaker 1: I remember playing them in groups that I was doing
Speaker 1: when I was working at a treatment center. So now
Speaker 1: that we are, we are now what's well because and
Speaker 1: it's all because of the motivation. So what we're looking
Speaker 1: at is the people that are attaching to body positivity
Speaker 1: and that movement. Are we attaching to that because that's
Speaker 1: going to help us gain money or power or followers
Speaker 1: or whatever. And is it coming from that place or
Speaker 1: is it coming from a place of what this is
Speaker 1: actually created for, which is to help empower human beings.
Speaker 1: The other thing is the language, because so many people
Speaker 1: are using it, and they're using it to benefit their
Speaker 1: specific avenue. The language is getting shifted and changed and
Speaker 1: messed with. So what once was something that is promoted
Speaker 1: to help people, no matter what your physical ability is,
Speaker 1: no matter what you look like, no matter any of
Speaker 1: that is created to create like equality, it's shifted into this,
Speaker 1: like you should love what you look like, and you
Speaker 1: should love your cellulite, and you should love that you
Speaker 1: have this disability maybe or you should love And the
Speaker 1: point of it is it for it not to matter. Okay,
Speaker 1: So when we bring attention to because I follow a
Speaker 1: couple of people on Instagram that highlight their cellulite and
Speaker 1: they do that, I assume so that other girls, I'll
Speaker 1: just give an example, will be like, Oh, for so
Speaker 1: many summers, I wore genes and I was sweating and
Speaker 1: burning hot because it was too embarrassed to be in
Speaker 1: shorts because I didn't want anybody to see my cellulite.
Speaker 1: And now I'm all out there and I'm putting on
Speaker 1: shorts and I want you to be brave, but then
Speaker 1: it's being brave exactly. I know, it's a whole lot
Speaker 1: of we have to talk about it. I know, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you what I see because and they're
Speaker 1: defined yes, it is like, oh wow, if she can
Speaker 1: do it, I can do it. So this is this
Speaker 1: feeling of like being you know, quote unquote brave. So
Speaker 1: then they show like even the lighting, how in certain
Speaker 1: lighting they have no cellulight, and then today and the sunlight, bam,
Speaker 1: there's the cellulight and hey, look look at me, I
Speaker 1: have it too. And then hopefully that inspires other people
Speaker 1: to put on shorts and love their cellulite, which is
Speaker 1: awesome motivation. Okay, And I used to follow tons of
Speaker 1: accounts like that, and that's what I'm saying. Everything shifting
Speaker 1: and we're getting new knowledge and we're starting to think more.
Speaker 1: Because my thought was if she can do it, I
Speaker 1: can do it, and if she doesn't have a problem,
Speaker 1: that I shouldn't have a wrong. But it's like, why
Speaker 1: do I have to explain it? Right? And okay, so
Speaker 1: I want to pause, and you said you have to
Speaker 1: think for a bit, and I will challenge you if
Speaker 1: because this has required a lot of my brain power
Speaker 1: and it seems like something so simple because it's like
Speaker 1: we're talking about okay, like posting the cellulne or maybe
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be doing that and like oh, and then
Speaker 1: it just may be like, well, I don't really get
Speaker 1: what the big deal is, so I don't want to
Speaker 1: take the time. It seems fine to me. But if
Speaker 1: you really stop to think about it, then you'll understand
Speaker 1: what Cat is saying. Because I'm still on that journey.
Speaker 1: I'm with you if you're listening right now and you're like,
Speaker 1: I don't see what the big deal is. But then
Speaker 1: when you dive into others that are out there really
Speaker 1: a part of the body positive movement, I would say, yes,
Speaker 1: there's a section of people that are like, we have
Speaker 1: to stop doing stuff like that because we have to
Speaker 1: stop implying that something like that is ever bad. Let's
Speaker 1: say that the body positivity movement is to help create
Speaker 1: equality within all people in all bodies. Okay, what I'm
Speaker 1: looking at with that, a lot of people might not
Speaker 1: look at because the initial reaction to a post like
Speaker 1: you're describing is like that's awesome, thank you, Yes, But
Speaker 1: what I'm looking at it is what is the messaging
Speaker 1: that's continued to be created and explain the message that
Speaker 1: I am a I'm a woman that is not a
Speaker 1: size too or zerr whatever that has cellulite, and I
Speaker 1: need to show you that I can be okay with
Speaker 1: my cellulite, rather than why do I have to explain that?
Speaker 1: Why is that a conversation? Why if I posted a picture,
Speaker 1: are you immediately looking at the cellulit? Why can't I
Speaker 1: post a picture of myself and it just be a
Speaker 1: picture of myself? Well, because for so long people air
Speaker 1: brush cellulite and didn't show it and covered it up,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you turn the corner and there's
Speaker 1: this cellulite treatment and the cellulate cream, and so we're
Speaker 1: normalizing it. But so we're that is not okay. So
Speaker 1: you're saying that is part of normalizing it, not part
Speaker 1: of the body positive movement. Yes it's it's not part
Speaker 1: of the body positive movement, but a lot of people
Speaker 1: are attaching themselves to it, because that's watering down the
Speaker 1: actual movement, and the movement is so separate than positive
Speaker 1: body image and negative body image, which which we'll get to.
Speaker 1: What I wanna again say is that when we are
Speaker 1: posting things and creating a conversation, that has to be
Speaker 1: continued to have Okay, every time I post a picture
Speaker 1: of myself, I don't have to explain that I am
Speaker 1: accepting of my body. It just gets to be a thing.
Speaker 1: But right now, the immediate ideas she probably doesn't accept
Speaker 1: her body because it doesn't look like what we've been
Speaker 1: pushing for years and years and years as a perfect
Speaker 1: or good body. And what we're trying to do now
Speaker 1: is dismantle the idea that there is a good body
Speaker 1: or a bad body. So what does a body positive
Speaker 1: movement posts look like like on TikTok or Instagram? If
Speaker 1: it's not that, because people might see that and be like, oh,
Speaker 1: body positive movement right there, showing me Celluli. So then
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you sent me a TikTok video
Speaker 1: of like Lizzo? Is she an example of doing it correctly?
Speaker 1: Lizzo is always an example of doing things. She's my
Speaker 1: winning song on the Bobby Bones Show. What does that mean? Yes?
Speaker 1: I gotta blame it? Okay? So yes, Lizzo had put
Speaker 1: out this. I don't know how long ago this was,
Speaker 1: but she had a TikTok that obviously went viral because
Speaker 1: it's Lizzo. But can we play it? Oh? Yeah, here,
Speaker 1: let's play a hook of it? Right? Well, it's not
Speaker 1: a song or can actually just play the clip from TikTok.
Speaker 1: Actually we should give credit to the person that did it,
Speaker 1: because she I don't know if it's called duet or stitch.
Speaker 1: She voiced over a video that Lizzo put out. So
Speaker 1: Lizzo put out, I'll set it up. Lizo put out
Speaker 1: this video. Do you guys remember there's this, like, if
Speaker 1: you are on TikTok, there's a trend where people would say,
Speaker 1: bodies that look like this, I also look like this.
Speaker 1: Bodies that look like this also look like this, and
Speaker 1: they would show a person that probably has thin privilege
Speaker 1: to some extent contorting their body to make them either
Speaker 1: have like roles or whatever her and then an image
Speaker 1: of them also looking like they have the quotes perfect body.
Speaker 1: So this girl. Okay, so it's the Lizzo TikTok and
Speaker 1: then it's it's a duet and it's with Jordan x
Speaker 1: in dot simone. So it's like signon with an E
Speaker 1: on the end. So if you're wanting to find it,
Speaker 1: but that is we're giving credit. Work credit is due.
Speaker 1: And here is what she had to say. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I figured out how to phrase why I don't think
Speaker 1: skinny people should be leading the body positivity movement, and
Speaker 1: I'll be using this trend as an example, except I'll
Speaker 1: be using Lizzo's video because I think she's doing everything right.
Speaker 1: But if you watch this trend, you'll see bunch of
Speaker 1: people who are showing off their body when it's posed
Speaker 1: and quote unquote perfect, and then when it's unposed in
Speaker 1: it's imperfect relaxed date with the back rolls and the
Speaker 1: arm fat stuff like that. And the message is that
Speaker 1: to love your body how it comes, whether it's deemed
Speaker 1: as perfect or imperfect, which is definitely a super important message,
Speaker 1: except it still subscribes to the idea that there's such
Speaker 1: thing as a perfect or an imperfect body. But what
Speaker 1: Lizzo does when she shows her body in a natural
Speaker 1: state the entire time is that she challenges the idea
Speaker 1: that there's an imperfect or an imperfect body at all.
Speaker 1: Because skinny people can more or less fluctuate between the
Speaker 1: imperfect and perfect editions of beauty, we have a harder
Speaker 1: time accepting our body and it's quote unquote imperfect way.
Speaker 1: But because fat people are deemed imperfect all the time,
Speaker 1: they're having a conversation about dismantling the idea of a
Speaker 1: perfect body at all. Long story, short's canny. People are
Speaker 1: talking about acceptance. Fat people are talking about liberation. It's
Speaker 1: perfectly normal to be insecure. I'm insecure about my body
Speaker 1: all the time. But skinny people don't confront the fact
Speaker 1: that we're afraid of being fat or why, And until
Speaker 1: we're ready to have that conversation, we shouldn't be in charge. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what she is talking about is the difference between
Speaker 1: maintaining that there is a good and bad, which is
Speaker 1: what a lot of good, good meaning people are. These
Speaker 1: people are not bad meaning people. I do not think
Speaker 1: they're there for doing this is I want to help people.
Speaker 1: They're so nice, And we have to remember what is what?
Speaker 1: What is my behavior perpetuating? What is the what is
Speaker 1: this creating? What pattern of thinking? And that's that there's
Speaker 1: a good and there as there's a bad, there's a
Speaker 1: perfect and there's an imperfect body, and what we are
Speaker 1: trying to identify is that there is none. And that's
Speaker 1: the difference between liberation and acceptance. The body positivity movement
Speaker 1: is really more centered towards liberation, where we're creating equality
Speaker 1: for any type of body versus you should accept and
Speaker 1: love your body because I can have freedom from my
Speaker 1: body and not like what my body looks like. And
Speaker 1: those all get tied in to the same thing. And
Speaker 1: that's when we mix positive body image and negative body
Speaker 1: image in with the body positivity movement. Those are two
Speaker 1: separate things. Okay, are you confused or you know, betracking people?
Speaker 1: I'm tracking because we've been talking about it for a while.
Speaker 1: But I know some people are not talking because it's
Speaker 1: hard to grasp. It's hard. It seems simple. That's why
Speaker 1: I was saying, you have to really think. I know,
Speaker 1: but I mean just on the surface, you might be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, I understand the difference between this and
Speaker 1: this and this. But then we really think about it,
Speaker 1: you don't or I didn't, and so I would yes
Speaker 1: like for you to break it down. Okay, that's you
Speaker 1: once did this, I think on your on your in
Speaker 1: on TikTok. Well, I have a weird relationship with TikTok.
Speaker 1: I just remember you did a long time ago, and
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm gonna try to break this down in
Speaker 1: thirty seconds or less. Here we go, and so that's
Speaker 1: what body, that's what I want you to do. There,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was a real on my um instagram,
Speaker 1: which what is your instagram by the way, at cat
Speaker 1: dot defata. There you go, d e A just kidding.
Speaker 1: I know how to spell it, d e f A
Speaker 1: t t a cat with a k k at dot
Speaker 1: de fata. Thank you. Okay, So then we have body
Speaker 1: image work Okay, So then we have positive body image
Speaker 1: negative body image. Those are again separate from body positivity movements.
Speaker 1: So we're moving. Okay, So we're gonna talk now about
Speaker 1: negative and positive body image separate from body positivity movement.
Speaker 1: So positive body image A lot of people think that's
Speaker 1: liking what we look like, right, right, which makes sense,
Speaker 1: it's actually not. So positive body image is separating our
Speaker 1: worth and our value from what we look like. I
Speaker 1: can have positive body image and still not like like
Speaker 1: my thighs, but then I know that my worth does
Speaker 1: not come from my thighs. So negative body image is
Speaker 1: one not liking what your body looks like or thinking
Speaker 1: that there's something wrong with it, but then thinking that
Speaker 1: that is then directly related your worth or your value. Right,
Speaker 1: people don't like me because of my thighs or I
Speaker 1: am not going to have this happened to me because
Speaker 1: of my thighs. If only my thighs were smaller, my
Speaker 1: life would be better. Or I don't look like her,
Speaker 1: so I don't deserve that. I'm giving you examples that
Speaker 1: have literally gone through my head at some point in
Speaker 1: my life that my body has the power to allow
Speaker 1: me to have or not have something that every human
Speaker 1: being inherently should have, love, belonging, acceptance. It's really that simple.
Speaker 1: And the confusing part for a lot of people who
Speaker 1: come to me for body image work is they come
Speaker 1: and they have this expectation that Cat is going to
Speaker 1: teach me how to look in the mirror and like
Speaker 1: what I see as like my different body parts or
Speaker 1: my hair and my eyes or my whatever. I have
Speaker 1: no idea how to teach somebody to do that. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's possible, and I don't do that, And
Speaker 1: people at first don't like that and they're like, what
Speaker 1: do you mean? Like what's what do you do? Then
Speaker 1: we teach you how to see you versus what you
Speaker 1: look like. So I can help somebody learn how to
Speaker 1: love themselves because they're actually starting to get to know
Speaker 1: themselves and see themselves when they look in the mirror
Speaker 1: versus just seeing all of these end quote imperfections that
Speaker 1: really aren't imperfections, because what is imperfect and perfect about
Speaker 1: a body? We've been conditioned to believe. What's that conditioned?
Speaker 1: Conditioned literally, and that is why different cultures find different
Speaker 1: things beautiful by their standards, its conditioned. And when you
Speaker 1: think about that, you're like, oh, okay, yeah, even our country,
Speaker 1: like our you know, you see different cultures. There can
Speaker 1: be different cultures within the United States, but you have
Speaker 1: to see how we've evolved over time. In every decade
Speaker 1: there's been a different maybe not every ten years, but
Speaker 1: there's definitely since like the twenties, and then like there's
Speaker 1: the fifties, the sixties and seventies, the nineties, like there's
Speaker 1: different and now here we are with the look it up.
Speaker 1: They'll show you a little graph that shows you how
Speaker 1: bodies and the desired quote unquote is that we're using
Speaker 1: a lot of quote. You can't see us quoting, but
Speaker 1: what the desired body looks like and it changes all
Speaker 1: the and you can't keep time, you can't keep up. Okay.
Speaker 1: A really good example that I can give of how
Speaker 1: this has shifted in my own life, very simple is
Speaker 1: when I had negative body image. I thought to work
Speaker 1: out wearing a certain kind of outfit, I had to
Speaker 1: have a certain body and if I didn't, and I
Speaker 1: didn't deserve to wear that, like being able to work
Speaker 1: out in just like a sports bra or like biker
Speaker 1: shorts or something like that, showing your stomach if you
Speaker 1: didn't have abs. I thought that my ability to do
Speaker 1: that depended on what my body looked like. Now that
Speaker 1: I have this idea, I have positive body. And I
Speaker 1: doesn't mean I like what my stomach looks like. But
Speaker 1: I think, and I know and I believe that if
Speaker 1: I'm hot and want to wear this outfit because I
Speaker 1: think it's cute, I get to and it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: People don't get to have certain privileges in my head
Speaker 1: and my belief system based on what they look like. Now.
Speaker 1: The problem is also society is not totally caught up
Speaker 1: with them. They're not there yet because certain certain the
Speaker 1: way you look or this size or whatever definitely gives
Speaker 1: you different privileges that other people do not have. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to go to this because I know we
Speaker 1: wanted to talk about it earlier, but body neutrality. So
Speaker 1: before we wrap up, let's touch on that okay. So
Speaker 1: body neutrality is really something that has been debated alongside
Speaker 1: body positivity. And I don't think I said this super clear,
Speaker 1: but body positivity is different than the body positivity movement.
Speaker 1: Body positivity is something that has been extracted from the movement,
Speaker 1: and that's where you're getting the people who are capitalizing
Speaker 1: on the movement to gain cloud followers, money, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: So body positivity says, love your body, no matter what
Speaker 1: it looks like. Body neutrality says, why are we talking
Speaker 1: about it? Stop talking about our bodies. So that's part
Speaker 1: of the whole. I feel like that puts the bow
Speaker 1: on what we're saying. But here's the thing. I say
Speaker 1: this with hair and like empathy, and you can choose
Speaker 1: whatever you want to choose. If you want to be
Speaker 1: body positive and that works for you, go for it.
Speaker 1: If you want to be body neutrality, If you want
Speaker 1: to be on that road and it works for you,
Speaker 1: go for it. I just want you guys to be
Speaker 1: really honest about what do I feel when I'm doing this,
Speaker 1: and what is the messaging that this is sending me
Speaker 1: and the people around me. I mean, I think that's
Speaker 1: a fair challenge. So I'm in the realm that body
Speaker 1: neutrality works better for me because I don't really find
Speaker 1: it easier possible for me to look at my body
Speaker 1: and love it no matter what it looks like. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I get really ang with it, but then I can
Speaker 1: come back to why does it matter? That says nothing
Speaker 1: about you? You don't have to love it. You can
Speaker 1: still be a really great person and go live your
Speaker 1: life no matter what your stomach looks like today, no
Speaker 1: matter what your hair looks like, no matter what color
Speaker 1: your eyes are or the shape of your eyebrows like
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how fast you can run if you
Speaker 1: really want to go to ability And that feels more
Speaker 1: in line to me with the positive body image being
Speaker 1: body neutral But I think what is confusing is people
Speaker 1: think that I have to pick positive body image or
Speaker 1: body neutrality, and they're actually they're similar. It's body positivity
Speaker 1: that is not the same as body neutrality. Okay, so
Speaker 1: confusing it is because they're like the same word. I mean,
Speaker 1: we can maybe, yeah, I know, we need to come
Speaker 1: with the new words for I'm trying to quite honestly,
Speaker 1: that would be better. I'm trying to create like um
Speaker 1: with Kate Kennedy did this ven diagram for like you
Speaker 1: need a vendit. I'm trying to create a ven diagram,
Speaker 1: but even I sit down and I'm like pulling my
Speaker 1: hair out and I'm like, oh my gosh, and then
Speaker 1: there's like new information and I'm like, my gosh. So
Speaker 1: I'll try to do it and maybe we can get
Speaker 1: that out to the world. Yeah. Ven Diagram coming soon
Speaker 1: from Cat to Fata, which I highly encourage you all
Speaker 1: to check out Cat's podcast. It's called You Need Therapy.
Speaker 1: You should definitely subscribe so that way, when her episodes
Speaker 1: load up, boom, they pop up on your phone and
Speaker 1: there's always something amazing on there that you need to hear.
Speaker 1: You never know that episode that you might just really
Speaker 1: bring you comfort for a day. She has different guests
Speaker 1: on all the time, just kidding. I've only been a
Speaker 1: guest twice. Yeah, but I've only had like two returning
Speaker 1: guests and you're one. Oh yeah. But she has other
Speaker 1: guests that are, like you will in to experts and
Speaker 1: stuff and written books and all that. And then Cat herself.
Speaker 1: She she does episodes you know, sometimes just her, but
Speaker 1: she is the expert and she has a lot of
Speaker 1: amazing topics and puts therapy in away. Now. It's not
Speaker 1: a replacement for therapy by any means, but you're just
Speaker 1: so good at normalizing therapy but also putting it in
Speaker 1: digestible because sometimes the jargon that people use. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I'll listen and I have to go listen again because
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I feel like you do a
Speaker 1: good job of explaining things. So check her out. Kat,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us, and actually Kat
Speaker 1: will be on with us again next weekend as Lisa
Speaker 1: continues her new journey as being a mom. But Lisa,
Speaker 1: we'll be back very very soon, So check her out.
Speaker 1: Give her a follow on Instagram Lisa if you have not,
Speaker 1: because you need to send her a message to tell
Speaker 1: her congrats on being a mom. And she's at Lisa
Speaker 1: hame h a y I am all right. Bye,