WEBVTT - Vincent "Chore Coat" Van Gogh

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<v Speaker 1>Celebrity book.

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<v Speaker 2>Fuck up. Introna painting was fucked today?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, Allison passed me the bunk. Okay, I actually kind

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<v Speaker 1>of liked Introni painting. I don't know. That was chill,

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<v Speaker 1>like that professor was. I don't know. I felt like

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<v Speaker 1>she was getting somewhere cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, did you smoke before class or something? Like I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>just like dango snooze.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, okay, I get it, I know, Like yes, do

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<v Speaker 1>you need to canonize more white man? But like he's

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<v Speaker 1>the original tortured artist like come on us and like

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<v Speaker 1>fucking caught off his ear like after he fought with

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<v Speaker 1>another artist, Like that's what art is? A ballot?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sorry, two white dudes fought in the field

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<v Speaker 2>in France, Like what is this my study abroad trip

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<v Speaker 2>like sophomore year, Like I'm sorry, like like I've learned

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<v Speaker 2>about these guys, Like give me some fucking bascot, Like

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<v Speaker 2>give me Felix Consols tores someone who had real fucking pain.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't even learned who Felix Conus is yet.

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<v Speaker 2>My dude, dude, he's so lit. He piled fucking candy

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<v Speaker 2>in a.

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<v Speaker 1>Gallery and that's heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>But like but it was about like a disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Like go back, look at the fucking orchard. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>look at the sunflowers. Like Fango's use of color, like

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually I know what you're saying, like the

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<v Speaker 1>brushstrokes are dope, it's newmanous.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just kinda like like, Okay, you're in a room,

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<v Speaker 2>you're in a field, you're in Paris, Like shit, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd love to go to Paris, but like the torture, shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't buy it. And then we praise him and

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<v Speaker 2>make all these freaking exhibits.

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<v Speaker 1>I think like he was onto like the beauty that

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<v Speaker 1>is everywhere, like the beauty that's.

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<v Speaker 2>In us, Like are you crying?

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not. Like look at my Fast and the

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<v Speaker 1>Furious two poster, like do you see the way the light?

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<v Speaker 1>It's the car, it's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>Like but what I'm saying like that's fucking art, like

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<v Speaker 2>that deals with like cars and like urbanism. I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, Okay, so like Van go he's this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>he's like tortured, right, and then some like other dude

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<v Speaker 2>was like disguised the goat like eighteen.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold no, no, Allison, like remember like it was this

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<v Speaker 1>brother's widow who was asking him the fuck up.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh shit, do you think they're like hooking up?

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<v Speaker 1>I think like it. I'm just saying, like, as like

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<v Speaker 1>woman approved a hug. How much did you pay for

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<v Speaker 1>this ounce? Again?

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<v Speaker 2>Literally twenty five bucks? Uh yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Wait?

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<v Speaker 2>Have you heard this band of tigra?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,

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<v Speaker 1>your filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books

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<v Speaker 1>and a bottle of wine to kill.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm shook. It's memoirs Martini.

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrity Poop Club.

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<v Speaker 1>Come read it while it's hot. Celebrity Poop Club, I

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<v Speaker 1>tell your secrets.

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<v Speaker 2>We won't talk celebrity books.

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<v Speaker 1>No boys are a loud celebrity book say it loud

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<v Speaker 1>and pound. Celebrity book Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Buzz me in. I brought the queer foe.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, hey, best friend? Oh the fuck are you?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? I'm doing pretty good and I have

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<v Speaker 2>to say hashtag season maxing. I'm kind of look so

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<v Speaker 2>into the winter right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I'm so grateful for this berber cold.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like last winter was just so I wasn't even

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<v Speaker 2>wearing any of my heaviest stuff. Now I'm wearing thrashed

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<v Speaker 2>from the thresh starlb in flannel lingeans.

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<v Speaker 1>There's nothing like a Filena leaned pant.

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<v Speaker 2>Hoodie, my heaviest jackets. You're in a thermal. I recently

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<v Speaker 2>have like gone thermal crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Thermals are so essential for layering.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like I've had none and now I have three.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so much better to be rich with thermals rich

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<v Speaker 1>and thermal I to be scavengean.

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<v Speaker 2>It just something hits different. And I'm sipping on a

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<v Speaker 2>dove hot coco from our weird Flavia office machine.

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<v Speaker 1>Flavia sounds like a Roman emperor.

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<v Speaker 2>This podcast brought to you by Flavia.

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<v Speaker 1>And is it Flavy a full But isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>Also so like a pillow for vaginal dryness?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh for sure. Talk to your Dodger about maybe with

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<v Speaker 1>Flavy as Flaviac.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it doesn't sound too Labia. And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>woman like running on the beach with her like silver husband.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Flavias medication is always about having silver hair and

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<v Speaker 1>looking like Daniel dan Lois. I'm sitting on some English breakfastie.

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<v Speaker 2>Damn, you're gonna be up for hours with.

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<v Speaker 1>A little bit of full calorie milk.

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<v Speaker 2>Full calorie milk, old milk, you know it. Have you

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<v Speaker 2>ever tried fair Life protein milk.

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<v Speaker 1>I've tried fair Life. I'm not a huge fan of

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<v Speaker 1>the branding. It's a little bit too flat millennial design

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<v Speaker 1>for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it's like made for like Jim bros.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh okay, I guess now that I'm like really leaning

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<v Speaker 1>into my gim era, I should write check it out protein.

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<v Speaker 1>I just had Booth Brothers milk, which is i Vermont

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<v Speaker 1>brand Brothers.

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<v Speaker 2>That's very like assassination. I do want to get the

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<v Speaker 2>legend of the Booth Brothers dry them milk.

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<v Speaker 1>It is the creamiest, richest, butteriest milk you can imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm selenic almost.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, It's like the milk nicle Kinman wishes she was

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<v Speaker 2>sipping and baby.

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<v Speaker 1>Girl, Oh yeah, no, I mean it'll make you, baby girl,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll down a full glass of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was it almost cream like? Were you having like a

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<v Speaker 2>big milk mustache?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>Am Oh yeah, it's crazy when you have like real

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<v Speaker 2>ass cow milk compared to like garlic farms.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, go, relic just doesn't same anymore as an adult

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<v Speaker 1>with a refined palate. I crepe deep duckadant dark milk

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<v Speaker 1>like chocolate milk both brothers is the dark meat of milks?

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<v Speaker 2>Me wrong if you know you know both brothers milk

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<v Speaker 2>is dark meat. Before we get into a book now

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<v Speaker 2>that we're on the subject of poultry, because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like in our VIP lounge, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>you were like, okay, season maxinge is in. I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>little birds are in eating little fowl.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, small fowl.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess what I ate this weekend game?

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<v Speaker 1>Hand quail oh demhing.

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<v Speaker 2>Felt more decadent and like I felt like a little

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<v Speaker 2>tiny prince suckling on the tiniest the tiniest bone, little bone, like,

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<v Speaker 2>m you kid, just for me?

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<v Speaker 1>Where was the quail?

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<v Speaker 2>I went to Shay Josephine, which is a restaurant in

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<v Speaker 2>the Theater District dedicated to Josephine Baker. Oh, it's so

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<v Speaker 2>freaking fab.

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<v Speaker 1>Beautiful and there's like old photos of her.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's a huge, massive old paintings of Justine Baker everywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's like owned by one of that she

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<v Speaker 2>was very Angelina Jolie, one of the men she like adopted,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's an honorary son.

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<v Speaker 1>I see. You mean it's not like she adopted an adult.

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<v Speaker 1>But now, I mean I feel like she.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably did adopt him at like sixteen or.

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<v Speaker 1>Something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's this like there's these huge paintings everywhere

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<v Speaker 2>and curtains and like a piano player and Kurt him curtons,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, there are some photos, but yeah, I have

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<v Speaker 2>the quail and it was suck on my tuckle. It

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<v Speaker 2>was juicy because that was where's gonna be dry?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I And I was like shut with quail

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<v Speaker 1>also because it's easy to over roast a quail. It's

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<v Speaker 1>such a right and you think of that crispy, crispy

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<v Speaker 1>skin on the quail, and then you're getting to the bone.

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<v Speaker 1>You're getting the bone so quickly and you're just like okay.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, yeah, it was like scared quail.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm sure she had a wonderful life.

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<v Speaker 2>I think she had a beautiful life and then she

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<v Speaker 2>was like flash frozen and sent to shade Josephine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>And these gay guys next to me at dinner were

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<v Speaker 2>like can I as he you a question to one

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<v Speaker 2>of his dinner mates and he goes, Yeah, nine and

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<v Speaker 2>a half inches uncut.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop. Okay, guys, And they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Like sixty and I was like, this will be future me,

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<v Speaker 2>like hanging out with these gays, like hearing the joke

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<v Speaker 2>like for the hundredth times that year.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, oh god, well speaking of okay, guys, kind of

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<v Speaker 1>kind of not really, Yeah, although I do have some ideas. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's some elements that felt a little queer to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, he day for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it just in terms of the chaos.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, let's say the name. Let's get into it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you guys, you have heard of You've definitely heard of him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a little more famous than Jeremy Meeks.

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<v Speaker 1>You know him from some of his paintings, which have

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<v Speaker 1>fetched some of the highest prices at auction in art history.

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<v Speaker 2>You know him from being the twisted sister that chopped his.

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<v Speaker 1>Day on ear off in solidarity with our hearing impaired folks. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>imagine if that's why he did that.

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<v Speaker 2>No, was like insolidarity with my hearing impaired.

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<v Speaker 1>You know him from.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of his like immersive exhibits, the people always standing

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<v Speaker 2>in line for or No.

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<v Speaker 1>You know him from the giant screensavers that his estate

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<v Speaker 1>is catching in on that you can find in cities

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<v Speaker 1>such as Chicago, New York City. We'll be coming soon. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pleased. Buy tickets at the Lincoln our bio.

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<v Speaker 2>Or the Lincoln. This little the podcast description.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come to the Immersive CBC show.

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<v Speaker 2>In Chicago twenty four hours.

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<v Speaker 1>Were we talking about? Of course we're.

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<v Speaker 2>Talking about another painter, but kind of I always thought

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<v Speaker 2>of him his French Dame Vincent van van Go Go,

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<v Speaker 2>Vincent van Go, Vinny the oil painter. N then go.

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<v Speaker 1>You're supposed to say like van Goug because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>he's Dutch. I feel like sometimes when you hear people

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<v Speaker 1>like whatever her story's talking about, and they're just like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah van Goug and an answer him, they're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like seeing Van Gug in this way. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this came up as I was reading it. My

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<v Speaker 2>lover to me says van Go and I was like, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you talking about? She was like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's how Steven's gonna say it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you can really gutturalize. But here at CBC

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go ahead and say Van Go because we're American. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>we're American literally the normal way to say yeah, and that's.

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<v Speaker 2>You hear enough of us doing accents. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>what are we reading but his letters? And not just

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<v Speaker 2>Dear THEO, because that's an abridged there's many versions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a shorter version that's just Dear THEO. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>bridge letters to his brother. This is more letters though,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is mostly still to his a.

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<v Speaker 1>Lot of dear theos. This is the letters of Vincevanga.

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<v Speaker 1>We both are rocking in the Penguin classics vers.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out Penguin and shout out to I've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of this hoe. But her name. She is the wife

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<v Speaker 2>of his brother.

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<v Speaker 1>Theo, Johanna von Bonger. Her name is literally a Bonger.

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<v Speaker 2>Bunger, Johanna von Bunger. And I like my milk chocolate stirred,

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<v Speaker 2>non shaped.

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<v Speaker 1>And she was Theo's wife, and she kind of made

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<v Speaker 1>it her mission to burnish the legacy of her late

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<v Speaker 1>husband's brother, Vincent. And she was a real advocate for

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<v Speaker 1>publishing this correspondence, and largely due to her efforts, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Why we think of him as one of the greatest pictures.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Yes, mister Celebritaci why you know him as people

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<v Speaker 1>thrown out one hundred two hundred million dollars for his paintings,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean insane crisis. Not that they're not gorgeous paintings.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, of course it's so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>When you were just a young lad, you went to

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<v Speaker 2>the MFA and you've got a first heart of the

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<v Speaker 2>addis you know, van.

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<v Speaker 1>Go Vango Picasso, Picasso, van Go money.

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<v Speaker 2>Money, What were your feelings one of those early feelings

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<v Speaker 2>about tho artists, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, as eighteen, I remember being drawn to the Impressionists.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the color, the explosion of color, and I

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<v Speaker 1>saw myself as a little bit different, right, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I was drawn to their differentiation. And I said they

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<v Speaker 1>saw the world a bit differently, and I feel something

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<v Speaker 1>in myself that feels a little bit outside society looking in.

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<v Speaker 2>As a romantic view. Maybe yes, oh this is not

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<v Speaker 2>what a room actually looks.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, right, And so you know, specifically those French Impressionists. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I always associated in Savanga with France, and he lived

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<v Speaker 1>in France for a very long time, painted a lot

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<v Speaker 1>in France. So it's not crazy to think. And then

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<v Speaker 1>we think of the Impressionists as like mostly being French

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<v Speaker 1>Go Gone.

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<v Speaker 2>He was actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Sison and and.

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<v Speaker 2>We found out he was so inspired by the Dutch

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<v Speaker 2>re brand.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah wait, there's that line when he's writing that letter

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<v Speaker 1>to some other artists and he's like, have you heard

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<v Speaker 1>of from mir? I don't know if you know this guy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually kind of like almost condescending, a bitchy and

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<v Speaker 1>I think he's a little bit just of an artist

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why he says it like that. But I

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<v Speaker 1>was a little bit like, okay, maybe like dial down

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<v Speaker 1>the it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, this whole book is him being a huge cunt,

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<v Speaker 2>but also just like so romantic and then vulnerable, but

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<v Speaker 2>also him just being so like, yeah, maybe you could

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<v Speaker 2>send me fifty francs and actually read my fucking letters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, this is why I'm saying that there's

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<v Speaker 1>this queerness to him, because so basically he never sold

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<v Speaker 1>a painting in his life until at the very end

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<v Speaker 1>of his life he like sells one painting, And this

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<v Speaker 1>is weird thing, but he's insanely prolific. He's painting around

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<v Speaker 1>the clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Constantly drawing. Well, before we get into it, I just

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<v Speaker 2>want to remark on one thing of my impression of

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<v Speaker 2>him as a child, which is it's so interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>I think we both probably felt out of the box

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<v Speaker 2>of life. Yes, and you saw Impressionism as a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like, oh, I'm like that, whereas I guess I

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<v Speaker 2>always viewed impressionism. I equaled it with classical music and

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<v Speaker 2>I're like, bo b, this is for fucking squares, my dudes.

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<v Speaker 1>So you lumped impressionism and with like baroque painting with it,

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<v Speaker 1>just like all painting from the past.

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<v Speaker 2>You were just like boring, I feel like baroque paintings.

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little bit more like, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 2>the crazy past and like we're being fab and royal. Yeah, Impressionism.

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<v Speaker 2>I more was like comparing it to like Cubism and

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<v Speaker 2>like early like moder like Warhole and modern.

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<v Speaker 1>Arts, which is totally fair, and I think that's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I was like, I'm actually a little born

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<v Speaker 2>to Andy Warhol. Yeah, Casso, yeah, Jackson Pulla I color

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<v Speaker 2>but like primary and like crazier where impression and felt

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<v Speaker 2>too pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess for me, I one hundred percent agree, And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I like adopted that view as I moved

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<v Speaker 1>into adulthood and I began to see impressionism as more

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<v Speaker 1>boring and pretty and to like concerned with being pretty

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<v Speaker 1>and too concerned with just like just moving the needle

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<v Speaker 1>enough so that people being it was like, oh, so

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<v Speaker 1>you're still just painting a landscape and you're doing something

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<v Speaker 1>completely ineffensive, but like people are just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>freaked out because your brushwork is kind of crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I'm I'm so sketchy, But honestly, reading this now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of seeing your original impression. M Yeah, where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like he was so like pained by like

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<v Speaker 2>watching a peasant put potatoes in a sack, and like

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<v Speaker 2>there is more like well.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's also sense that you know, we've talked a

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<v Speaker 1>lot about this when we cover artists and content creators Bengo. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know this difference between people who are super

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<v Speaker 1>like hyper self aware and a little bit more pretentious

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<v Speaker 1>and calculated about the art they make and the people

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<v Speaker 1>who are just producing because it's like this emotional process

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<v Speaker 1>that just pours out of them. And I do think

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<v Speaker 1>he's the latter. I think like, A, he's so prolific,

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<v Speaker 1>he's making like hundreds and hundreds of paintings. B It's

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<v Speaker 1>like the way he talks about the paintings. It's so emotional.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like I was trying to capture like this peasant

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<v Speaker 1>with the sickle in the field and how hot it

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<v Speaker 1>was for them to be working that day, and like

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<v Speaker 1>how they must have been like baking in the sun.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're also so proud of their work and like

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<v Speaker 1>the potato eaters his like, which doesn't really look like him.

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<v Speaker 1>That one of his first Yeah, and a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the stuff early stuff doesn't look like him because

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<v Speaker 2>we think of him as so like Starry.

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<v Speaker 1>Nights, Storry Knight and just like the Lions, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>like very just like classically Impressionist, but like he was

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<v Speaker 1>so into that painting because he was just like he

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<v Speaker 1>was into his own painting because he was like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>showing these peasants and they're eating the food that they.

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<v Speaker 2>Made, like can you believe it?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean it's also him doing this like poverty

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<v Speaker 1>cosplay where it's like he grew up like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a perminal son of a vicar.

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<v Speaker 2>He's some of like a reverend vicar and like they're

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<v Speaker 2>very like conservative you know, church folk, and he is

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<v Speaker 2>quite religious himself, but kind of in this more like

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<v Speaker 2>rebellious almost Pilgrim like way, I will say, well, yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean the dad is a Protestant and so they're

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<v Speaker 1>being so like Protestantia and he's like wait. At one

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<v Speaker 1>point he like calls like like renoir like a heathen

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<v Speaker 1>or something.

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<v Speaker 2>Like renwall even well, and when you talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff he puts out, Okay, I mean that makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>because he's being so like, oh, they're like drawing so

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<v Speaker 2>much pussy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but can I just back to your first impression

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<v Speaker 1>of art? Yeah, and like I know we're being like

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm like, see, I now think I'm more what

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<v Speaker 1>you thought originally.

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<v Speaker 2>Where it's like we're switching.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate some of the impressions work. I do think

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<v Speaker 1>Monet is like basically just like pretty, but yeah, money is.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight up postcards. And I think van Go at least

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<v Speaker 2>was like I think, doing new things with perspective and

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<v Speaker 2>like color and brush work.

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<v Speaker 1>The bedroom I think is really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the Bedroom's a dope painting and I think

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<v Speaker 2>you can much more see in van Go's work that

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<v Speaker 2>he is mad, mad mad.

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<v Speaker 1>But I also think that old like baroque stuff is

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<v Speaker 1>like way cooler, and I'm like, cool, this is insane

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<v Speaker 1>and the past was mad and everyone was like murdering

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<v Speaker 1>each other and it's so sexy.

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<v Speaker 2>I just saw this crazy ass painting this weekend about

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<v Speaker 2>like the fall of the Roman Empire, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>like all these like nude women on a cliff being

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<v Speaker 2>pushed off, and I was like I could look at

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<v Speaker 2>that for hours. Yeah, when you're walking through the Boston

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<v Speaker 2>MFA and you see an impression.

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<v Speaker 1>Of them, You're like, let me grab a pillow.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been to is it in France Money's Garden?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Is that in France?

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<v Speaker 2>It's past Branson. Actually, I've been to Money's Garden. Going there,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, was utterly.

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<v Speaker 1>You may remember it from season four of Emily in

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<v Speaker 1>Paris when she gets in a fight with Camie and

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<v Speaker 1>they both get wrenched in water.

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<v Speaker 2>Emily if she's like more money or van go to me,

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<v Speaker 2>she's so like making a van go McDonald's collab cup. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like genius McDonald's take that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's the starry night, like h super size.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it's like and if you see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of like if this book has some of these like

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<v Speaker 2>cool like early drawings, and it is much more of

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<v Speaker 2>like you feel like you are watching in kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a freak watch town life.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because he was a lonely ass bitch and he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't make friends.

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<v Speaker 2>And his letters to THEO are throughout this entire book,

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<v Speaker 2>just this like desperation of like kinship and brotherhood. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>they are also THEO worked for like a gallery and

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<v Speaker 2>he funded Van Goo's entire life. Yeah, so Van Go

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<v Speaker 2>is always being like, could we make a schedule so

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<v Speaker 2>the money you're gonna send me?

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<v Speaker 1>So here's it. Just an example. This is a letter

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<v Speaker 1>from September third, eighteen eighty two. I value your loyal

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<v Speaker 1>and effective help more than I can say. I think

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<v Speaker 1>give you so much. I should so like my work

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<v Speaker 1>to become vigorous, serious, virile, so that you too may

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<v Speaker 1>get some pleasure from it as soon as possible. Like

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<v Speaker 1>he's like, oh, I know, I'm so like shitty, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I really hope that you love it. One thing I

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<v Speaker 1>should like to bring to your attention as a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of importance, wouldn't it be possible to obtain paint panels, brushes,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera at discount prices. I'm having the retail price

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment. Have you any connection with Payard or

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<v Speaker 1>someone like that. If so, I think it would be

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<v Speaker 1>much more economical at paint, say wholesale for instance, White, Okra, Siena,

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<v Speaker 1>and we could then come to some arrangement about the money.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything would be cheaper. It goes without saying do think

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<v Speaker 1>it over?

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, that slayed me because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is after letter after a letter of him being

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<v Speaker 2>like I received your twenty five francs, like thank you

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<v Speaker 2>so much. I bought charcoal, Like how is mother?

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<v Speaker 1>I hate her?

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<v Speaker 2>And then this is like okay, well, let's actually talking

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<v Speaker 2>about a wholes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like sisk, can we get a discount code. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very like what I said that the UCBC at checkout,

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<v Speaker 1>I got the white and the Okra.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like yeah, so it would just be like oils brushes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very like us about trying to buy like natural

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<v Speaker 2>wine wholesale just be like.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, wait, I love your bar.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually didn't say an idea. Yeah, it would probably

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<v Speaker 2>be cheaper for all of us.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if I could, let's just remove the middle man

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<v Speaker 1>of you making money and just when you get those

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<v Speaker 1>twenty bottles for like costs for like fourteen because so

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<v Speaker 1>like no, and then like Payard is going to get

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<v Speaker 1>like promo basically yeah, he's like, no, you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>the paintings.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and this goes when he changes, of course, it

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<v Speaker 2>gets much more expensive. So he's drawing for I would say,

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<v Speaker 2>the first half of this book, and then he moves

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<v Speaker 2>to oil, which is a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>More expensive, and drawings are impressive. I mean, I do

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<v Speaker 1>have to say, and this is what I think is

0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:49.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of like so classic like whatever, it's straight kai

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also just like Ridge and and queer where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like his fascination with the working class. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a little fetishistic.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, absolutely, and I wonder it's like, is that our

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<v Speaker 2>generation and of being like third fourth generation, is it

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<v Speaker 2>queer or is it because it's like right, it's rigid

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<v Speaker 2>indie guy being like.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's just like classically bourgeois to be like

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<v Speaker 1>look at someone on a loom and be like, marvelly,

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<v Speaker 1>not their work.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and it's even more I would say of the time,

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<v Speaker 2>since like we're the first generation to like make less

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<v Speaker 2>than our parents, so in a way, like we're reverting

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<v Speaker 2>back to the working class.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and now our parents will be making paintings of

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<v Speaker 1>us podcasting, but it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're still like a lot of us have like

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<v Speaker 2>grown up with a lot of priv so we're like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm actually a part of your community. So if I

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<v Speaker 2>like paint you being like a factory worker, we're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of one of the same because I'm a barista.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, totally. No, I mean when I paint a tomaly lady, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>the same boat.

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<v Speaker 2>I just feel like he is of that mindset. He's like, well,

0:23:51.440 --> 0:23:54.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm a poor artist and I'm rejecting my parents.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he actually says many times that he says he's

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<v Speaker 1>like the artist is more similar to the smith or

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<v Speaker 1>to the doctor than to someone who lives a life

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<v Speaker 1>of leisure. And he's saying that he thinks like art

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<v Speaker 1>should be a job and it is like a technically

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<v Speaker 1>demanding job that you just have to work at. And

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the way that he was painting, that's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of true, like he was working a lot. However,

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<v Speaker 1>by and large, I would not say that the artist

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<v Speaker 1>is the same as a doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, but like, how many books of doctors have

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<v Speaker 2>we read?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we haven't read a tool.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't read doctor oz No, So well depends on

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<v Speaker 2>the doctor.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, would not just imply that, yeah, they're not the same.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they're definitely not the same, because my point is

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<v Speaker 2>that artists work are sometimes maybe more important than the

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<v Speaker 2>medical field. Oh yes, and the conversation rather than the

0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:49.440
<v Speaker 2>general practitioner that says gurgle salt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm on my r Okay, yes, but like society

0:24:56.240 --> 0:24:59.800
<v Speaker 1>needs the general practitionersough Also honestly, throughout all of his

0:25:00.160 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 1>doctors literally did nothing and were actually bad until look

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:06.239
<v Speaker 1>so recently Andy was like dying and they were just

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<v Speaker 1>like blood lp mark. Okay, but I'm not saying that

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<v Speaker 1>like creative labor is not essential.

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<v Speaker 2>In obviously, like is being like a conceptual artist like needed,

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:16.640
<v Speaker 2>we need to like pay them by the state. That's

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<v Speaker 2>up for debate.

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<v Speaker 1>Even in his estimation of the craft of art making

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<v Speaker 1>and specifically like painting, like he's doing like as being

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<v Speaker 1>something that just like is a technical skill that requires

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of dedication and requires like hours per day

0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 1>and should be thought of as like a worker in

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. I'm also like it is self expression

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<v Speaker 1>in a way that other things are not. The doctor

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 1>is not expressing himself no in surgery, and if he is,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a problem.

0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:46.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if he's like, oh damn, like I sewed this

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<v Speaker 2>up in an amazing way. Though, I feel like the

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 2>surgeon who did my top surgery like did think he

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<v Speaker 2>was an artist, and that goes to surgeon's narcissism, which

0:25:56.200 --> 0:25:59.840
<v Speaker 2>is a whole other episode. Yeah, because he was still

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<v Speaker 2>the trump and being like, what an amazing job I did. Wonderful,

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 2>wonderful look at a beautiful chest. Yeah, like this he

0:26:08.240 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>was being like he.

0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:13.760
<v Speaker 1>Was of chest. Yeah, look at my binder.

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Here's a passage where this tends to, which is his

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<v Speaker 2>observations of the working class and drawing, which I thought

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<v Speaker 2>was just a beautiful sentence. Once again, hard at work

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<v Speaker 2>at drawing. I sometimes think there's nothing nicer than drawing.

0:26:28.760 --> 0:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I do think drawing it's the first thing we learned

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<v Speaker 2>to do in the arts as children, and I feel

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:39.840
<v Speaker 2>like it's so meditative and like I am nostalgic for

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<v Speaker 2>like drawing as a child.

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<v Speaker 1>It's immediate connection to inner child. You know. It so funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I was to sit down, put down your goddamn phone,

0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 2>and like, just like let it go.

0:26:50.040 --> 0:26:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about this weekend I was skiing, and

0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:54.840
<v Speaker 1>for me, I learned just he as a child, and

0:26:54.880 --> 0:26:56.800
<v Speaker 1>so there's a nostalgia there, but you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>so present, especially when you're skiing moguls, because there's so

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:01.640
<v Speaker 1>many things going on.

0:27:02.000 --> 0:27:04.280
<v Speaker 2>I've never done a mogal. You've always been scared.

0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:06.520
<v Speaker 1>Like you cannot be scrolling.

0:27:06.359 --> 0:27:09.840
<v Speaker 2>While yeah mogul, put the phone down.

0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:13.560
<v Speaker 1>It is like the most wildly present activity, like you

0:27:13.600 --> 0:27:15.280
<v Speaker 1>can only think about your next move.

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.159
<v Speaker 2>I for get worried when I see people post on

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 2>the mountains and.

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>You see me post on the mountains. Yes, well I'm

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>not like video and as I'm on the mocal no

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:26.080
<v Speaker 1>but downhill.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it makes me nervous.

0:27:29.280 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 1>The thing is, though, it's that level of presence that

0:27:32.000 --> 0:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I do feel like drawing takes you back to, like

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.040
<v Speaker 1>you say, meditative, which I think is true, right.

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 2>But no, it's also focus.

0:27:38.600 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 1>It's a separation from all distractions. And I'm sure maybe

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<v Speaker 1>because children are incredibly in touch with themselves.

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, you know what I mean.

0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:52.280
<v Speaker 1>But they don't have all the social anxieties, like the responsibilities.

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:53.679
<v Speaker 2>And even the is this good will this?

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Because that, like drawing, takes you back to that childlike

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<v Speaker 1>master of your domain.

0:27:59.720 --> 0:28:03.639
<v Speaker 2>Con just like I like this color, I want to

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 2>draw this dog and yeah, and now dog is killing

0:28:08.440 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 2>yes and dark drawings. Obviously paint can be that way too,

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 2>but I think just drawings comes usually before painting, and

0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:20.919
<v Speaker 2>then he goes on and this is where he is

0:28:20.960 --> 0:28:23.280
<v Speaker 2>being like in the way we always talk about like

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:27.200
<v Speaker 2>American photography of like the American like pastoral, like mall

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:30.679
<v Speaker 2>closing down, and it's a drawing of like three old women.

0:28:31.880 --> 0:28:34.000
<v Speaker 2>This is part of that Pew's piece. There are other

0:28:34.119 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>heads of men in the background. Things like this are difficult, however,

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>and don't always work straight away. When they do work,

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:42.240
<v Speaker 2>it's sometimes the end result of a whole series of failures.

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 2>Speaking of the orphan men, I was interrupted while writing

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.440
<v Speaker 2>these lines by the arrival of my model, and I

0:28:48.520 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 2>worked with him until dark. He was wearing a large,

0:28:50.720 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 2>old overcoat, which lends him a curiously broad figure. I

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.640
<v Speaker 2>think you may perhaps like this collection of orphan men

0:28:56.680 --> 0:28:59.280
<v Speaker 2>and their Sunday best and they're working clothes. Then I

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:01.640
<v Speaker 2>got him sitting with the short pipe as well. He

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 2>has a nice bald head, large ears, and white side whiskers.

0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 2>He's literally being like, sorry, why is this homeless man

0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:13.320
<v Speaker 2>in a huge overcoat? Like the inspiration for Armani's next line.

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:14.440
<v Speaker 1>Like it's so dear leak.

0:29:15.120 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 2>It's really dear ah leak, Like, oh my god, Orphan

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 2>style the nineteen twenties was so amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>His use of pain is a little it's like you say,

0:29:23.880 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 1>like versus trying. It's like you have to use a lot,

0:29:26.720 --> 0:29:29.680
<v Speaker 1>and he constantly talking about impasting, and it's like, I

0:29:29.720 --> 0:29:31.600
<v Speaker 1>think it just means like using a shit ton of

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 1>paint and it's like it starts to just get like

0:29:34.160 --> 0:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>thick and dry. Yeah, and so you really have to

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:41.400
<v Speaker 1>like commit. And then you're like, okay, like what color

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>am I making this? And then when he is being like, oh,

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm making the tree a dark Prussian blue, that is

0:29:48.240 --> 0:29:50.640
<v Speaker 1>kind of like a crazy choice as opposed to making

0:29:50.640 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 1>the tree like brown, right, and people are being like whoa, whoa.

0:29:54.680 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Like you're not just doing real stuff, which I guess

0:29:57.320 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 2>is again like what he was like being I'm a freak,

0:30:00.160 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 2>like I'm making a tree blue. Can you believe it? Yeah,

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:06.280
<v Speaker 2>which is in a way also kind of like the

0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 2>first like psychedelic.

0:30:08.120 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>Because he says this thing at some point where he's like,

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 1>in a way, I'm glad that I never learned painting Hey,

0:30:14.760 --> 0:30:17.600
<v Speaker 1>I know he underlines learned in all probability, I would

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>have then had to learn to ignore such effects as this.

0:30:20.080 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Now I can say to myself, this is just what

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>I want. If it is impossible, it's impossible, but I'm

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:26.880
<v Speaker 1>gonna try it, even though I don't know how it

0:30:26.880 --> 0:30:29.440
<v Speaker 1>ought to be done. I don't know myself at a pain do.

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I just sit down with the whiteboard in front of

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:32.920
<v Speaker 1>the spot that appeals to me. I look at what's

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>in front of my eyes, and I say to myself,

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 1>that whiteboard has got to turn into something. This has

0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>actually just been so like Monday motivation, just like.

0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's being literally like messy bun put on some

0:30:42.920 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>gangster rat. Get it get just like when I see

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>a blank calendar, that's actually an inspiration for me. And

0:30:49.720 --> 0:30:52.560
<v Speaker 2>that's why I take out my try colored stickies.

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:54.800
<v Speaker 1>Because he's kind of saying like, yeah, I guess I'm sorry.

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:58.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm in insane savant, like I never learned how to paint.

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:02.120
<v Speaker 1>It's just like shit, I'm just fucking weird because like

0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 1>they never told me what not to do. Fuck the teachers.

0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:08.480
<v Speaker 2>No, He's like, fuck the teachers. Throughout this entire book.

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.720
<v Speaker 2>He's really not talking to his parents because his brother

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:14.320
<v Speaker 2>gets like an actual job. It's kind of classic where

0:31:14.360 --> 0:31:16.720
<v Speaker 2>it's like you respect the brother at a job because

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.280
<v Speaker 2>it's like at a gallery and he's getting paid, but

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the parents are like, don't become an artist?

0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Can I ask?

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:23.800
<v Speaker 2>Though?

0:31:23.920 --> 0:31:27.920
<v Speaker 1>Like Vincent's making like dope work. The brother literally works

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 1>at a gallery, and yet why isn't it being shown

0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:33.640
<v Speaker 1>a Why is it being shot at literally that gallery?

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>B I'm sure he knows a gazillion other galleries in

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Paris and Amsterdam and London. Why isn't he like, oh,

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>let me like send this Gallerius to your fucking studio

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>and like why why is it taking jo? Yeah?

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.520
<v Speaker 2>Like no wonder Sometimes you're like damn, Vinny, like you're

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:52.720
<v Speaker 2>actually being so mean to your brother who's straight up

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 2>supporting you. But then I'm also just like, yeah, I

0:31:55.920 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 2>would be mad. Yeah, you're just kind of being like,

0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.000
<v Speaker 2>here's twenty five francs so you can like paint your

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>little chairs.

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>And like I feels like probably going on studio visits,

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>like with fucking Saison, just being like mmm love this, Yeah,

0:32:08.880 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna show this at the.

0:32:10.000 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 2>Salon, And I feel like, Okay, if we can purchase

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:13.680
<v Speaker 2>like entourage, Like.

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:17.160
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, of course we can.

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:20.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I feel like it's like THEO is like one

0:32:20.800 --> 0:32:23.640
<v Speaker 2>of Ari's assistants and is so like getting up the

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.959
<v Speaker 2>courage all year to like present his boss with like

0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 2>one of his brother's drawings. And I was like, oh, hey,

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:31.040
<v Speaker 2>like do you want to take a look at this?

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>And I just thinks it's awkward, yeah, and he's like, oh.

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:38.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean I get it obviously. Sometimes, like we've all

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.080
<v Speaker 1>been in a situation where somebody kind of asks you

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>for something and they're like, hey, do you know this person?

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:44.840
<v Speaker 1>Like I feel like people ask me that a lot

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 1>about like oh, like I want to like get pressed

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 1>or something, and they're like do you know this writer?

0:32:49.400 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>Like would you want to put me in touch with

0:32:51.440 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>somebody like this here or there? And I'm sometimes I'm

0:32:54.920 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>like sure, but sometimes I'm like.

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:58.920
<v Speaker 2>No, Well, sometimes you don't want to give all your

0:32:59.000 --> 0:32:59.840
<v Speaker 2>cards exactly.

0:33:00.000 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to spend my political capital on this

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>person who frankly, maybe I just don't think that their

0:33:04.840 --> 0:33:06.800
<v Speaker 1>art is that worthy. And so I do feel like

0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:09.960
<v Speaker 1>maybe THEO thought that a little bit about Vincent. Yeah,

0:33:10.080 --> 0:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't a total believer in the work.

0:33:13.640 --> 0:33:17.680
<v Speaker 2>Because he's always sending THEO there were paintings. But then

0:33:17.840 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>I thought it was cool that Van go even though

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>he had like such utter confidence to keep on going

0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.760
<v Speaker 2>and like keep on going into insane asylums and practicing

0:33:25.840 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>and many times he's like, oh, I know, my drawing's

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>not there. Like he's like, I'm not. He's a very

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.560
<v Speaker 2>like believer in like you actually have to like paint

0:33:33.640 --> 0:33:36.000
<v Speaker 2>and draw every d the process and like do it

0:33:36.120 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>every day.

0:33:36.960 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's very not gay of him.

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to me, he's like so crazy straight guy.

0:33:42.760 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 1>I think he is crazy straight guy.

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:46.160
<v Speaker 2>I as someone who went to the School of the

0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:49.200
<v Speaker 2>Art Institute of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 1>Where will be on February twenty seven that Sleeping Village.

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Get your tickets now with the link in our bio.

0:33:53.800 --> 0:33:56.120
<v Speaker 2>That's right. Anyway, I went to school with a lot

0:33:56.200 --> 0:34:00.479
<v Speaker 2>of male painters and they were like tortured, and I

0:34:00.520 --> 0:34:01.600
<v Speaker 2>was always a little bit like.

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Why, what's the matter, And it was like color canvas,

0:34:07.200 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 1>paint and they're always stretching. I mean some of those

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:14.320
<v Speaker 1>guys are legitimately alcoholics, which is a disease. Yes, although

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:19.360
<v Speaker 1>Van Goh actually literally got epilepsy from drinking too much absinthe,

0:34:19.360 --> 0:34:21.520
<v Speaker 1>which is insane. No, he's.

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Doing turpentine like he's being very Jerry Springer. A show

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:28.680
<v Speaker 2>I worked on in the City of Chicago would be

0:34:28.680 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 2>The twenty seventh when it was like alcoholics would be

0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.280
<v Speaker 2>on and it would be like, oh, this person's drinking

0:34:34.280 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like straight up mouth washed to get wasted.

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:37.920
<v Speaker 1>He was more in that category.

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:40.600
<v Speaker 2>Moving on to love for just a moment. Oh yeah,

0:34:40.760 --> 0:34:45.000
<v Speaker 2>speaking of heterosexuality. Yeah, so this is also very like

0:34:45.080 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 2>straight painter. He fell in love with this woman, Key Voss,

0:34:49.760 --> 0:34:52.560
<v Speaker 2>who was his cousin. Yeah, straight up his cousin.

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 1>So it had so straight painter. Okay, what's weirdness? The

0:34:57.880 --> 0:35:00.319
<v Speaker 1>parents were so like disapproving of this, but it was

0:35:00.320 --> 0:35:02.200
<v Speaker 1>like the nineteenth century and it was like, actually so

0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>normal to be marrying your cousins. But I thought it

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:06.560
<v Speaker 1>was because like her parents were just priven because they

0:35:06.600 --> 0:35:07.200
<v Speaker 1>were like, you're poor.

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:09.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, thought he was a poor and sketchy. So he's

0:35:09.560 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 2>writing to THEO and he's like, I need to tell

0:35:12.200 --> 0:35:14.200
<v Speaker 2>you something, which is kind of gay, and so he's like,

0:35:14.239 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to let you know that I feel so

0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 2>much desired.

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Gossip is gay with key Voss.

0:35:18.560 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 2>The summer, and then I can find no other words

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:22.799
<v Speaker 2>for it. It is just as if key Voss were

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:25.320
<v Speaker 2>the closest person to me and I the closest person

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.640
<v Speaker 2>to kie Voss, And those are the words I spoke

0:35:27.680 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 2>to her. But when I told her this, she replied

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.960
<v Speaker 2>that her past and her future remained as one to her,

0:35:33.320 --> 0:35:35.280
<v Speaker 2>so that she could never return my feelings.

0:35:35.520 --> 0:35:37.680
<v Speaker 1>She was literally like no, says I'm good.

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>She was not now, so not never.

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:44.320
<v Speaker 1>He does not take this rejection. Well, then this is insane.

0:35:44.440 --> 0:35:47.239
<v Speaker 1>So he goes to Amsterdam to try and see her

0:35:47.320 --> 0:35:50.959
<v Speaker 1>where she is like from So this is a later letter.

0:35:51.040 --> 0:35:53.600
<v Speaker 1>Now this is like, I don't know. A couple months later,

0:35:54.360 --> 0:35:57.120
<v Speaker 1>another letter to THEO. I'm like, THEO just must be

0:35:57.160 --> 0:36:00.840
<v Speaker 1>spending all day reading these fucking waters the substack and.

0:36:00.920 --> 0:36:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Never ends well because later on he's like, the letters

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:06.400
<v Speaker 2>fall off when he gets married. But we'll get into that.

0:36:06.480 --> 0:36:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Forgive me if I repeat myself. But I don't know

0:36:08.200 --> 0:36:10.640
<v Speaker 1>if I've already written to you exactly what happened to

0:36:10.680 --> 0:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>me in Amsterdam.

0:36:12.040 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>It's very like you texted me that yesterday.

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:16.040
<v Speaker 1>He was like, okay, so here's what went down. On Amsterdam.

0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>I went there thinking perhaps the no never ever will thaw,

0:36:20.000 --> 0:36:23.240
<v Speaker 1>the weather is so mild, just being like, maybe she's

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna come around.

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, He's like maybe it's just about like persistence and

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:31.360
<v Speaker 2>like girls are into that to like kind true to

0:36:31.560 --> 0:36:32.160
<v Speaker 2>a point.

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.840
<v Speaker 1>And so one five in evening, I trudged along the

0:36:34.880 --> 0:36:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Kaiserkrocks looking for the house, and indeed I found it.

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:41.040
<v Speaker 1>It's a little bit like he's never been to her parents'.

0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.560
<v Speaker 2>House before, and it's like and he's the show up.

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:47.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but it's also like a little bit like borderline stalker.

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.480
<v Speaker 1>And naturally I rang the doorbell and was told that

0:36:50.520 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 1>the family were still at dinner. But then I was

0:36:53.160 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 1>told to come in all the same and all of

0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>them were there, including Jan and that very learned professor,

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:02.399
<v Speaker 1>except for Key. And there was a plate in front

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 1>of each person, but no extra plate. This small detail

0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.319
<v Speaker 1>struck me. They had wanted to make me think that

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.880
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't there and had taken away her plate, but

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:13.799
<v Speaker 1>I knew that she was there, and I thought it

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:19.560
<v Speaker 1>all a bit of a farce or charade. And I'm like, oh, okay, proenoid.

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Down staring at these plates, being like, oh, she was there,

0:37:23.040 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>but then she was like, take away my plate.

0:37:24.560 --> 0:37:27.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm going upstairs, So like she left the table and

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.880
<v Speaker 1>then they like put the plate in the kitchen, so

0:37:29.960 --> 0:37:34.040
<v Speaker 1>he wouldn't think that like room, So if there had

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:35.640
<v Speaker 1>been an extra plate in a person, you would have

0:37:35.640 --> 0:37:37.399
<v Speaker 1>been like, she's there. But then the no plate, you're

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:39.319
<v Speaker 1>also like, oh, they just took away the plate. It's

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:40.440
<v Speaker 1>like you're being crazy.

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 2>He's being completely insane.

0:37:42.120 --> 0:37:44.600
<v Speaker 1>And like even if she was hiding in her bedroom,

0:37:44.840 --> 0:37:46.360
<v Speaker 1>that just means she doesn't want to see you and

0:37:46.400 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 1>you're being cuckoo.

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Well she's not being like oh my god, you showed up.

0:37:50.160 --> 0:37:53.160
<v Speaker 2>Like it's not holiday movie where it's like like a

0:37:53.360 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 2>just no point. Does it even sound like there was

0:37:55.920 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 2>even a flirtation. Yeah, And he's telling THEO and he's being.

0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 1>Like, no, but I'm obsessed with he's and.

0:38:01.920 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 2>He's been like I don't regret any of it. And

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.040
<v Speaker 2>he's like, I like wish for you to have this

0:38:07.160 --> 0:38:07.839
<v Speaker 2>sort of love.

0:38:08.120 --> 0:38:09.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, which is.

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:11.600
<v Speaker 2>Like also so sad. He's like I wish you to

0:38:11.680 --> 0:38:13.359
<v Speaker 2>have this obsessive love.

0:38:13.520 --> 0:38:16.319
<v Speaker 1>That to me was a little bit him trying to

0:38:16.320 --> 0:38:20.480
<v Speaker 1>be like hey, like what's going on with you true, yeah,

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit like him being you get yeah, like

0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:27.200
<v Speaker 1>so like have you ever like had like penetrative sucks before,

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:29.120
<v Speaker 1>like kind of hoping that he will be a little

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:29.680
<v Speaker 1>bit revealing.

0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I think he's you know, because sometimes you're like, I don't.

0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Think he was dating anybody at that point, even though because.

0:38:33.760 --> 0:38:36.600
<v Speaker 2>THEO doesn't get with Johannah.

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>Miss Bonger, if you mask me, yeah.

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Till much later. And so I think that is his

0:38:41.280 --> 0:38:43.560
<v Speaker 2>way because maybe that would be like two forward for

0:38:43.600 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 2>a man of that time to be like are you

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:47.280
<v Speaker 2>with the lady?

0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes, like bring me news, But then what suple bosoms?

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.879
<v Speaker 2>You may have rested upon all these letters like it's

0:38:55.000 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 2>blah blah blah my charcoal blah blah blah by me

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:01.920
<v Speaker 2>paintings wholesale, and he rarely like is like what's up?

0:39:02.280 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Well, but that's that thing of like classic narcissist who

0:39:07.239 --> 0:39:10.319
<v Speaker 1>knows when to inject one little thing to be like

0:39:10.440 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>oh and like wait chica, like how are you doing?

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:16.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay anyway? Wait okay. The most insane, egregious example of

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 1>that it's at the end. So when THEO has a

0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:25.160
<v Speaker 1>son and names it after Vincent, names it like VILLEM

0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.200
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, which is I guess like a derivation of Vincent.

0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:32.520
<v Speaker 1>But it's right after Vango has basically gotten his first press,

0:39:32.760 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>there's this one article that's written about him, and so

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.360
<v Speaker 1>THEO sent him an article that's in this French magazine

0:39:39.360 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 1>and it's like about Vincent.

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 2>And imagine what birth was?

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean to finally, at like thirty six, to just

0:39:45.120 --> 0:39:47.000
<v Speaker 1>like finally have a blog post about you, like when

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.359
<v Speaker 1>paper magazine is just like you check out this artist

0:39:49.400 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, oh my god, the way like.

0:39:50.960 --> 0:39:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Thirty at that time was might as well been sixty.

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:57.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, And like this paper mag article launches and

0:39:57.960 --> 0:40:02.320
<v Speaker 1>he's like, so gassed up the who But then also

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Theodos had a baby. So he writes THEO, going, my

0:40:04.920 --> 0:40:06.799
<v Speaker 1>dear Theory, I just receive your good news that you're

0:40:06.800 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 1>a father at last, that Joe is over the most

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:10.400
<v Speaker 1>critical period, and finally that little boy is doing well.

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:12.120
<v Speaker 1>This has done more good and giving me more pleasure

0:40:12.160 --> 0:40:13.879
<v Speaker 1>that I can put into words, bra Vo, and how

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>pleased mother will be. So what I have been longing

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.479
<v Speaker 1>for so much in so long time has happened at last.

0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:21.000
<v Speaker 1>No need to tell you that my thoughts have often

0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:22.879
<v Speaker 1>turned to you over so late, how brave and calm

0:40:22.960 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>she was the movin or peril. It touched me very much. Well,

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:27.760
<v Speaker 1>it all helps a great deal and making me forget

0:40:27.760 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>these last days when I was ill. At such times,

0:40:30.320 --> 0:40:32.400
<v Speaker 1>I no longer knew where I am, and my mind wanders.

0:40:33.160 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>Next paragraph, I was extremely surprised by the article on

0:40:36.200 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>my paintings you sent me. No need to tell you that.

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 1>I hope to keep thinking that. I don't paint like that,

0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:40.840
<v Speaker 1>but I do gather from it. Now I ought to

0:40:40.840 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>be painting from the article is absolutely right in the way,

0:40:43.120 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>and then it's literally nine more paragraphs about the article.

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 2>He was like, wait, do you remember that part in

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:52.200
<v Speaker 2>the article when it says this, He's like, by the way, congrats.

0:40:51.760 --> 0:40:54.759
<v Speaker 1>No, he literally does, like a line by line breakdown,

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:56.120
<v Speaker 1>just like one paragraph.

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Congrats you think about some people in your life.

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, it does make you think about certain people in

0:41:02.800 --> 0:41:03.240
<v Speaker 1>your life.

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:06.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I was kind of just saying, okay, yes, no, right,

0:41:06.560 --> 0:41:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I wasn't talking about you.

0:41:07.680 --> 0:41:08.319
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was me.

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.879
<v Speaker 2>I mean, no, you would like so send an Etsy gift.

0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:14.520
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm obsessed with babies.

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so in the kind of there's like some biographical

0:41:17.840 --> 0:41:20.280
<v Speaker 2>parts in this book between the letters and then also

0:41:20.320 --> 0:41:24.399
<v Speaker 2>talks about how van Go like gets so mad when

0:41:25.160 --> 0:41:28.279
<v Speaker 2>THEO gets married, and like, you know, his letters are

0:41:28.440 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 2>a little more few and far between because it's like, well, damn,

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:32.759
<v Speaker 2>how can you keep up with this though, and all

0:41:32.760 --> 0:41:35.680
<v Speaker 2>of his letters and it's like, sorry, he has to

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:40.719
<v Speaker 2>have some sort of life himself. Yet so heartbreaking. When

0:41:40.840 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 2>van Go kills himself in a field, THEO gets note

0:41:44.840 --> 0:41:49.320
<v Speaker 2>from the doctor. Comes Van Go dies in Theo's arms,

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:52.879
<v Speaker 2>so beautiful, and then THEO I think he was having

0:41:52.920 --> 0:41:54.000
<v Speaker 2>health problems himself.

0:41:54.040 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>He had a little something we like to call syphilis.

0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, from Johanna or not Joe.

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>He may not have been barling Banger when he got

0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:06.399
<v Speaker 1>the sef.

0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:09.040
<v Speaker 2>And that's private and that's up to Joe.

0:42:09.080 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 1>He also has a long incubation period.

0:42:11.719 --> 0:42:15.359
<v Speaker 2>He could have gotten that from just like deach John Furtenberg.

0:42:15.920 --> 0:42:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, six two brothels were everywhere because you know, so Vincent,

0:42:21.040 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 1>like six months before the gunshot, he had cut off

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.799
<v Speaker 1>his ear after a fight with Gogan, and then he

0:42:27.880 --> 0:42:31.399
<v Speaker 1>went to a brothel and presented the ear to one

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:33.560
<v Speaker 1>of the ladies of the night at the brothel.

0:42:34.080 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Fucking freak. Yeah, he's so sketchy. His thing with Gogant

0:42:40.120 --> 0:42:44.040
<v Speaker 2>was very also like art school romance, where they were

0:42:44.120 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 2>like besties and like we're always going to Brittany or

0:42:47.760 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>somewhere to the paints with each other. And it was

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:54.799
<v Speaker 2>still like wine and turpentine and absynthe.

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:58.400
<v Speaker 1>And hips and Quail quail and like and a brothel.

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.600
<v Speaker 2>But then it's also so like our guys Rail.

0:43:01.440 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>And a brothel over coat Rail and a brothel.

0:43:04.760 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like, okay, on like the ninth bottle of coate drone. Yeah,

0:43:09.400 --> 0:43:13.640
<v Speaker 2>they're like, I actually hate that brushstroke and he's like, bitch,

0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:14.719
<v Speaker 2>give me the scissors.

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:21.120
<v Speaker 1>No, it got really awkward because like he's with Gogang

0:43:21.560 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and then what does he say this like very short

0:43:24.040 --> 0:43:25.799
<v Speaker 1>letter he writes right at the end of like they're

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of fighting. Then Gogan leaves and he goes. I

0:43:28.480 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 1>think that go Gown was a little disenchanted with the

0:43:31.040 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 1>good town of Arl, the little yellow house where we work,

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:38.160
<v Speaker 1>and above all with me and short. I think that

0:43:38.239 --> 0:43:40.799
<v Speaker 1>he'll either simply leave or he'll simply stay. I've told him.

0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:42.080
<v Speaker 1>But they get over and wig up the pros and

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:44.920
<v Speaker 1>cons before doing anything. Gogan is very strong, very creative,

0:43:44.920 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 1>but he needs peace precisely because of that. Will he

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.120
<v Speaker 1>find it elsewhere if he doesn't find it here? I

0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 1>wait his decision with absolute equanimity, with a good handshake, Vincent.

0:43:55.120 --> 0:43:56.799
<v Speaker 1>And then it's like the next day he caught up.

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.600
<v Speaker 2>His ear and he's trying to be so like, oh,

0:44:00.000 --> 0:44:03.799
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, last weekend was fun. Yeah, I do

0:44:03.960 --> 0:44:07.200
<v Speaker 2>wish him the best. He might be a little upset

0:44:07.239 --> 0:44:12.920
<v Speaker 2>with me, but onward and vin go. He at one point,

0:44:13.000 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 2>I mean before the death, he does find love, but

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 2>like he doesn't really love her.

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Wait that like pregnant woman? Yeah with CN, oh, that

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:23.640
<v Speaker 1>like old pregnant woman that he paints It was.

0:44:23.680 --> 0:44:26.080
<v Speaker 2>The way matters stand with CN is that I'm generally

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 2>attached to her, and she to me that she is

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>my loyal helpmate. Imagine being all to loyal.

0:44:31.760 --> 0:44:34.120
<v Speaker 1>She think seems like literally homeless. And he was like,

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 1>I'll feed you if you like pose for me.

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and then they like did fuck? Who goes everywhere

0:44:39.680 --> 0:44:41.600
<v Speaker 2>with me? And who is becoming more indispensable to me

0:44:41.640 --> 0:44:43.279
<v Speaker 2>by the day. I feel less passionate for her than

0:44:43.280 --> 0:44:45.640
<v Speaker 2>I did for Key Voss left here, But the kind

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:47.359
<v Speaker 2>of love I have for Ciena is the only one

0:44:47.400 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm still capable of after the disappointment of that first passion.

0:44:51.320 --> 0:44:53.719
<v Speaker 2>She and I are two unhappy people who keep each

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.920
<v Speaker 2>other company and share a burden. And that is precisely

0:44:56.920 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 2>what And happiness is making way for happiness, and the

0:45:00.760 --> 0:45:03.880
<v Speaker 2>unbearable is becoming unbearable. It's just kind of like we're

0:45:03.920 --> 0:45:07.440
<v Speaker 2>both just like super depressed. And she's like sad.

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:11.160
<v Speaker 1>And old and homeless, and and I'm like completely mentally

0:45:11.160 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 1>insane and like still my cousin and.

0:45:14.120 --> 0:45:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Poor, I hate him, jealous my brother's wife, and like

0:45:18.960 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm still holding onto an ear and a brothel. But

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:24.760
<v Speaker 2>I guess it's like good to like order takeout.

0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:26.880
<v Speaker 1>With some Yeah. And they were just kind of having

0:45:26.960 --> 0:45:31.040
<v Speaker 1>this like grub up relationship.

0:45:32.800 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Oil painting and chill.

0:45:34.560 --> 0:45:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, being like seabiscuits again, ships more ships, biscuits. Sure.

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 2>The parents were even more like damn, what are you

0:45:44.760 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 2>up to? YEA, Like now you're doting this home bostwoman,

0:45:49.000 --> 0:45:49.399
<v Speaker 2>go to.

0:45:49.440 --> 0:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Church, dns.

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 2>What does she with?

0:46:03.000 --> 0:46:06.279
<v Speaker 1>What does she eat? Okay, what does she eat? He's

0:46:06.360 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 1>so spartan, He's like coffee, biscuits, water absence.

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I have to read this part where he's in

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:17.719
<v Speaker 2>the insane asylum and he's talking about how everyone else

0:46:17.840 --> 0:46:19.799
<v Speaker 2>is like eating, and he's kind of looking down at

0:46:19.800 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 2>as like, oh, you're eating to like waste time. But

0:46:22.760 --> 0:46:25.959
<v Speaker 2>I took this as like everyone being gassy. He goes,

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:28.759
<v Speaker 2>the poor wretches here have absolutely nothing to do, not

0:46:28.840 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 2>a book, nothing more to distract them than a game

0:46:30.640 --> 0:46:33.359
<v Speaker 2>of bullet or a game of droughts, have no other

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:36.960
<v Speaker 2>daily distraction than to stuff themselves with chickpeas and roco beans,

0:46:37.400 --> 0:46:40.480
<v Speaker 2>lentils and other groceries and colonial produce and sent amounts

0:46:40.520 --> 0:46:43.480
<v Speaker 2>of stated hours. As the digestion of these food stuffs

0:46:43.520 --> 0:46:46.400
<v Speaker 2>offers certain difficulties, they fill their days in a manner

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:48.240
<v Speaker 2>as inoffensive as it is costly.

0:46:48.800 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I was just like, so they're farting up a storm.

0:46:51.680 --> 0:46:55.359
<v Speaker 1>I took that, or they're like shitting down the latrines.

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, I guess I kind of took it as like

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.839
<v Speaker 2>in the lentils could be like gassy, way, but it's

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:04.520
<v Speaker 2>like and pees together, It's like.

0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:06.920
<v Speaker 1>It was gas and then all that colonial produce that

0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 1>they're not used.

0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 2>To colonial produce. Yeah, and I think it's like they're

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>serving then he's having one green bead.

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:14.399
<v Speaker 1>But I guess at one point he brags, he goes,

0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.799
<v Speaker 1>fortunately my stomach is recovered, because he was like, after

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 1>one of his episodes, he was like, to such an

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>extent that I lived for three weeks of the month

0:47:20.400 --> 0:47:22.360
<v Speaker 1>on ship's biscuits with milk and eggs.

0:47:22.760 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 2>Can you, I mentione, how dry those biscuits are?

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? He once you soak them in milk though.

0:47:28.160 --> 0:47:31.920
<v Speaker 2>Sound tasty? Yeah, You're like, I like dark biscuits, dark biscuscuits,

0:47:32.560 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 2>light milk, light milk. How does he live? Padded walls? Yeah,

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:40.720
<v Speaker 2>it's padded cell with window of a beautiful garden.

0:47:40.920 --> 0:47:44.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, and then famously starry night he was looking

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:48.080
<v Speaker 1>out the window of his insanea tount himself in the

0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:51.080
<v Speaker 1>night and being like that's gorgeous and making a little

0:47:51.120 --> 0:47:53.040
<v Speaker 1>sketch and then painting during the day.

0:47:53.360 --> 0:47:56.200
<v Speaker 2>So he likes snad and day. He loves the time

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 2>giving window.

0:47:57.280 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 1>He's giving window, he is giving time of day.

0:48:00.000 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, Okay, if he lived in modern times.

0:48:04.680 --> 0:48:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm like, would he be like more of

0:48:06.760 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 1>a hoarder if you were an artist today? And would

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:12.920
<v Speaker 1>it be so like just cigarettes and like gatorade bottles.

0:48:13.120 --> 0:48:14.799
<v Speaker 2>I can't, yeah, but it wouldn't be horor would be

0:48:14.800 --> 0:48:16.840
<v Speaker 2>like I think it would be the meme mattress on

0:48:16.880 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the mattress on floor books, Gatorade one like vodka bottle.

0:48:23.840 --> 0:48:26.080
<v Speaker 1>And I think that he still would be basically like

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.440
<v Speaker 1>because I was thinking of how he hasn't sold anything

0:48:28.520 --> 0:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>at all, and I'm like, God, if you could just

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 1>get on Instagram, you could have a link tree and

0:48:33.160 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 1>people could be like, Oh, here's my work. But I

0:48:35.600 --> 0:48:37.360
<v Speaker 1>also think that he would be the kind of strikeuy

0:48:37.360 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>who would just be like, I don't really fuck with Instagram.

0:48:40.160 --> 0:48:43.160
<v Speaker 2>No. He would have a flip phone. Yeah, he'd be that.

0:48:43.239 --> 0:48:46.280
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, oh yeah, and he'd get an iPhone

0:48:46.320 --> 0:48:48.520
<v Speaker 2>for Christmas and he'd be like I don't fucking want

0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 2>this and be like okay, and his mom would be like,

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:54.839
<v Speaker 2>what if you set up an Etsy? Yeah, and like

0:48:54.960 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe like Johanna would actually be setting up an Etsy

0:48:58.080 --> 0:48:58.640
<v Speaker 2>for him.

0:48:58.560 --> 0:49:00.480
<v Speaker 1>And he'd be like, you don't fucking get it, mom.

0:49:00.600 --> 0:49:03.239
<v Speaker 2>They're trying to turn it into post girls already.

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:06.360
<v Speaker 1>But does he wear chor coat?

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Is he like o G French blue chort?

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Because I think he's also a little bit into the

0:49:12.160 --> 0:49:16.680
<v Speaker 1>kind of like, Oh, no, I think he's which was

0:49:16.960 --> 0:49:20.960
<v Speaker 1>chort coats. Yeah, and he's not being so like cravat

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and no, it's like maybe he's like suspenders.

0:49:24.920 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's in like he's kind of ate

0:49:26.880 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 2>a chortcoat on this.

0:49:27.800 --> 0:49:30.799
<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, this famous self portrait, he's in a

0:49:30.840 --> 0:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>chortcoat and I think underneath but people like didn't have

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:36.640
<v Speaker 1>belts back then, like he did have suspenders.

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:38.359
<v Speaker 2>You live now, I feel like you'd wear a belt

0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:42.840
<v Speaker 2>that'd be like a bicycle bungee cord tied around pants.

0:49:43.040 --> 0:49:46.040
<v Speaker 1>You think he's that like Portland could be just being

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:47.760
<v Speaker 1>like I don't know, I just sucking something.

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I found it, Yeah, just hold it up.

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.799
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I think I think he's a little bit more like, oh,

0:49:51.840 --> 0:49:53.919
<v Speaker 1>I took this from my dad and wearing my dad's belt.

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 2>I hate my dad. I hate my dad, but I

0:49:56.200 --> 0:49:58.839
<v Speaker 2>have but it's like a beautiful leather belt. Yeah, that too.

0:49:59.360 --> 0:50:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I think he would go two faces. Yeah, and I

0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:05.480
<v Speaker 2>see like a little bit of a wide canvas pant

0:50:05.960 --> 0:50:06.800
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

0:50:07.440 --> 0:50:09.799
<v Speaker 1>Would he have like a little pony or No, No,

0:50:09.880 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 1>he's kind.

0:50:10.320 --> 0:50:15.080
<v Speaker 2>Of shorn less, like little creepy pony that's too new agy.

0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:18.719
<v Speaker 1>But like low weird little like rattail on most.

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:20.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I could see him as rattail or like having

0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:23.360
<v Speaker 2>an accidental like bullet, because he would definitely cut his own.

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:26.480
<v Speaker 1>Hair, yes, and it's hard to get the back and.

0:50:26.560 --> 0:50:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Be like choppy bead head shoes like cool French leather

0:50:31.880 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 2>shoes that like are actually kind of from like a bespokerye.

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:38.840
<v Speaker 2>But he would just see it as a local persons.

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:40.960
<v Speaker 2>You don't think he would, Oh, I'm just talking about then,

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>But I feel like it was like just a place

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:44.799
<v Speaker 2>you would go to be.

0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:47.080
<v Speaker 1>I think he'd be like so maryls and asex now

0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:48.320
<v Speaker 1>like yes, yeah.

0:50:48.080 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 2>And but in this way where someone if his dress

0:50:50.360 --> 0:50:51.960
<v Speaker 2>your shoes, they'd be like, oh, where'd you get those?

0:50:52.000 --> 0:50:53.480
<v Speaker 2>You'd be like, I don't know, man, I just like

0:50:53.520 --> 0:50:57.759
<v Speaker 2>stumbled into the shop in Portugal and they they made

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:00.160
<v Speaker 2>these shoes for me, and they're like beautiful.

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Ex girlfriend and she's my cousin.

0:51:03.200 --> 0:51:05.879
<v Speaker 2>My ex girlfriend cousin like knows this guy who got

0:51:05.920 --> 0:51:10.839
<v Speaker 2>the wholesale like Portuguese leather like mohair loafers.

0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:12.720
<v Speaker 1>Who are you in the book?

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:17.440
<v Speaker 2>You know. I was looking at good Gal's work and

0:51:17.480 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 2>I was like drawn to it. Yeah, I was drawn

0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:21.040
<v Speaker 2>to it, and like because it was being a little

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:23.320
<v Speaker 2>more like nightlife and like cafe.

0:51:23.239 --> 0:51:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Go Gan spent a little more time on his works

0:51:25.920 --> 0:51:29.360
<v Speaker 1>because Bengo really like busted through. He was just like Boom,

0:51:29.360 --> 0:51:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I'm done, Boom, I'm done.

0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Which I also kind of relate with, and like, Okay,

0:51:32.719 --> 0:51:33.600
<v Speaker 2>made a drawing.

0:51:33.560 --> 0:51:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Because I do think you have that confidence and that

0:51:35.760 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 1>ability to stop and say it's done. It's done.

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, It's like you're more like you could you could

0:51:40.800 --> 0:51:41.480
<v Speaker 2>tweak forever.

0:51:41.719 --> 0:51:45.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I think I'm actually more go gown that

0:51:45.160 --> 0:51:48.160
<v Speaker 1>sense if we're just looking at the two Yeah.

0:51:47.920 --> 0:51:51.160
<v Speaker 2>Like I think I'm more van Go and being like

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I drew a chair of an old man.

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:55.200
<v Speaker 1>An old man say, but I also see my you know,

0:51:55.239 --> 0:51:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I can be a gatekeeper in the sense that the okay.

0:51:58.840 --> 0:52:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Are you theo, well, you are a support of the arts,

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Like I could also see you being like I will

0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.400
<v Speaker 2>give you thirty two francs, but I'm not gonna like

0:52:07.600 --> 0:52:11.959
<v Speaker 2>intro you to the senator. Yeah, you are a philanthropist.

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:14.680
<v Speaker 2>That's a little me and I'm van Go yeah, and

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:22.160
<v Speaker 2>I am just being like, how cool did that old man, Yeah, sorry,

0:52:22.320 --> 0:52:23.280
<v Speaker 2>my new favorite person.

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:25.719
<v Speaker 1>What do I give this one? I have to say, like,

0:52:25.960 --> 0:52:29.080
<v Speaker 1>I do think that he drones on and on and

0:52:29.160 --> 0:52:30.080
<v Speaker 1>on and on.

0:52:30.640 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 2>I was a little slow to get into it, but

0:52:33.160 --> 0:52:34.600
<v Speaker 2>then I kind of locked in.

0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I find the letters to be like, hey,

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.520
<v Speaker 1>this a bridge version. Even with how a bridge, it

0:52:39.560 --> 0:52:39.759
<v Speaker 1>is like.

0:52:39.760 --> 0:52:41.000
<v Speaker 2>They're a little more bridged.

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:43.279
<v Speaker 1>And I feel like they also included a lot of

0:52:43.280 --> 0:52:45.640
<v Speaker 1>maybe boring letters, but could have kept out some of

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 1>the more interesting ones.

0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:51.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would have loved like maybe this is out there, like, okay,

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.720
<v Speaker 2>what are his most sassy letters? And maybe, like I'll

0:52:54.760 --> 0:52:56.360
<v Speaker 2>pitch that to Penguin Classics.

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:58.720
<v Speaker 1>I just find his writing style to be a little

0:52:58.760 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>long winded, and he like takes a while to stay

0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:04.840
<v Speaker 1>stuff and kind of repeats himself and like goes in

0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 1>these circles.

0:53:05.960 --> 0:53:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And there's some beautiful lines here, but it's a little

0:53:09.880 --> 0:53:12.920
<v Speaker 2>like give me Franks, give me Franks. Look at this drawing,

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.359
<v Speaker 2>and then they are like moments of genius. And it's

0:53:17.400 --> 0:53:21.120
<v Speaker 2>always interesting to kind of see the time that he's in.

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Like, I sincerely hope that you won't conclude from this

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:25.040
<v Speaker 1>letter that I'm presumptuous have to think that would be

0:53:25.040 --> 0:53:26.880
<v Speaker 1>possible to do something straight away with these first studies,

0:53:26.880 --> 0:53:29.280
<v Speaker 1>seeing once interpreted certain remarks I made that way although

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.920
<v Speaker 1>I had met nothing of the sort anyway. I used

0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:33.960
<v Speaker 1>to be able to tell better than I can now

0:53:34.120 --> 0:53:35.959
<v Speaker 1>what something was worth and if it could be sold

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:37.960
<v Speaker 1>or not. Now it's daily brought home to me that

0:53:38.000 --> 0:53:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I no longer know about that sort of thing, and

0:53:40.000 --> 0:53:42.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm more interested in studying nature than the price of pictures.

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:45.600
<v Speaker 1>It's like you could have said that in one sentence,

0:53:45.840 --> 0:53:48.839
<v Speaker 1>as opposed to take an entire paragraph to just be like, uh,

0:53:49.160 --> 0:53:52.399
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I'm, you know, not asware of whether

0:53:52.480 --> 0:53:54.480
<v Speaker 1>or not something is commercially viable anymore, because I'm more

0:53:54.520 --> 0:53:57.600
<v Speaker 1>interested in like nature and like the actual subject material.

0:53:57.760 --> 0:53:59.760
<v Speaker 2>What I did like about this is how like fucking

0:53:59.800 --> 0:54:03.279
<v Speaker 2>so he was about his parents. Look, I did love

0:54:03.320 --> 0:54:06.760
<v Speaker 2>seeing that of him just being like mom and dad,

0:54:06.880 --> 0:54:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I will return when they stop being such annoying ass Protestants.

0:54:11.640 --> 0:54:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that, even though he is also being

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:15.560
<v Speaker 1>so like I'm so Christian.

0:54:16.120 --> 0:54:18.440
<v Speaker 2>That part I was a little bit like, dude, chill,

0:54:18.800 --> 0:54:20.120
<v Speaker 2>chill with the God stuff.

0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I give this three out of five severalty years because

0:54:22.560 --> 0:54:24.600
<v Speaker 1>I just like I wish it were a diary.

0:54:24.840 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 2>No, it's hard, and then to go from like peace,

0:54:27.000 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm sir Picasso or no, sorry, diego.

0:54:30.200 --> 0:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Letters like yes, people should write letters, but letters are

0:54:33.040 --> 0:54:36.880
<v Speaker 1>a weird way of like archiving your life because like

0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:40.080
<v Speaker 1>you're performing this like for this very specific audience of

0:54:40.120 --> 0:54:43.520
<v Speaker 1>one and like brother, your brother, and I feel like

0:54:43.600 --> 0:54:46.600
<v Speaker 1>it ends up being less like honest than.

0:54:46.600 --> 0:54:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Which is interesting because it's how he sees himself towards

0:54:50.760 --> 0:54:52.759
<v Speaker 2>his brothers another way of looking at it.

0:54:52.920 --> 0:54:55.960
<v Speaker 1>True, but I think like a diary is more honest,

0:54:55.960 --> 0:54:58.200
<v Speaker 1>but even also a memoir in some ways, even if

0:54:58.239 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 1>you're being like fanciful about your own kind of like

0:55:02.239 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 1>like mythology, like is some more honest away because you're

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:08.279
<v Speaker 1>like putting all the pieces together in a letter. You're

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:10.279
<v Speaker 1>trying to be like, oh, I'm only winding with this.

0:55:10.280 --> 0:55:11.280
<v Speaker 1>One person will be interested.

0:55:11.520 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when it's like what actually is THEO interested? I

0:55:14.080 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 2>give it three point two like insane asylum chickpea meals

0:55:18.560 --> 0:55:20.920
<v Speaker 2>out of five. Like to kind of see his anger

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:23.719
<v Speaker 2>as someone who came to I guess impressionism as kind

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:27.719
<v Speaker 2>of this more like pretty genre. I think I liked

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:29.120
<v Speaker 2>seeing his anger.

0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:31.239
<v Speaker 1>In the writing. Yep. And then now you see the

0:55:31.280 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 1>passion in the breast trucks, in the breast trucks.

0:55:33.480 --> 0:55:36.279
<v Speaker 2>And I will go to the starry night whatever like

0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:36.799
<v Speaker 2>that's on the.

0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:39.480
<v Speaker 1>Story, fire on the canvas, Yeah, and I'll go get

0:55:39.920 --> 0:55:43.080
<v Speaker 1>a moment. Storry Knight is a member of their permanent collection.

0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:48.160
<v Speaker 2>I love that museum, yeah, but I love the Art

0:55:48.160 --> 0:55:50.919
<v Speaker 2>institud of Chicago better. And you can find us there

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<v Speaker 2>February twenty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>In the city, not the not the museum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah you guys. Wow, what a journey through time and

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<v Speaker 2>painting and art. Think you as always from the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>of my heart for listening. Love you best, do you fear.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to tell you about a painter I met

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<v Speaker 2>in Amsterdam. Her name was Christina Everett Well. She is

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<v Speaker 2>the executive producer of a group of artists a gallery show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's quite amazing. I would love for you to connect

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<v Speaker 2>me with them. She had a helpmate named Darby Masters

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<v Speaker 2>who was a producer and she is a fine woman.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been closed in here some of my drawings. Could

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<v Speaker 2>you give them to Darby Masters? Now onto more important information.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a supervising producer in Brittany his name is Abuzafar.

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<v Speaker 2>I would like to stay at his house, so if

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<v Speaker 2>you could arrange that, that would be amazing. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's an engineer who worked there who could supply

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<v Speaker 2>me with canvases and teach me how to stretch canvas,

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<v Speaker 2>named the Heath Fraser. But by the way, I've enclosed

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<v Speaker 2>another drawing for you to give to this man who

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<v Speaker 2>owns a cafe in Nie Stephen Phillips Horst. He is

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<v Speaker 2>a pianist of sorts and he will be putting on

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<v Speaker 2>a show and he sings a theme song for Celebrity

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<v Speaker 2>Book Club. So please give him him my drawing. I

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<v Speaker 2>would like it displayed in his cafe. Next order of business.

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<v Speaker 2>Last weekend, I at a beautiful weekend with the Prolile

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<v Speaker 2>Project's crew. I'm not sure if they're a little mad

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<v Speaker 2>at me though, because I let's just say this, I

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<v Speaker 2>vomited all my food up on the weekend. I got

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<v Speaker 2>a little too drunk on turpentine and now I am

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<v Speaker 2>a little embarrassed. So if you would mind sending them

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<v Speaker 2>twenty four francs, my apologies, Thank you very much.