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Speaker 2: Fuck up. Introna painting was fucked today?

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Speaker 1: Wait, Allison passed me the bunk. Okay, I actually kind

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Speaker 1: of liked Introni painting. I don't know. That was chill,

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Speaker 1: like that professor was. I don't know. I felt like

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Speaker 2: Dude, did you smoke before class or something? Like I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: just like dango snooze.

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Speaker 1: Like, okay, I get it, I know, Like yes, do

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Speaker 1: you need to canonize more white man? But like he's

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Speaker 1: the original tortured artist like come on us and like

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Speaker 1: fucking caught off his ear like after he fought with

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Speaker 1: another artist, Like that's what art is? A ballot?

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, two white dudes fought in the field

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Speaker 2: like sophomore year, Like I'm sorry, like like I've learned

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Speaker 2: about these guys, Like give me some fucking bascot, Like

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Speaker 2: give me Felix Consols tores someone who had real fucking pain.

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Speaker 1: I haven't even learned who Felix Conus is yet.

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Speaker 2: My dude, dude, he's so lit. He piled fucking candy

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Speaker 1: Gallery and that's heavy.

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Speaker 2: But like but it was about like a disease.

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Speaker 1: Like go back, look at the fucking orchard. It's like

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Speaker 1: look at the sunflowers. Like Fango's use of color, like

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Speaker 2: But I'm just kinda like like, Okay, you're in a room,

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Speaker 2: I'd love to go to Paris, but like the torture, shit,

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Speaker 2: I don't buy it. And then we praise him and

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Speaker 1: I think like he was onto like the beauty that

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Speaker 2: In us, Like are you crying?

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Speaker 1: No, I'm not. Like look at my Fast and the

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Speaker 2: Like but what I'm saying like that's fucking art, like

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, Okay, so like Van go he's this guy,

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Speaker 2: he's like tortured, right, and then some like other dude

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Speaker 1: Hold no, no, Allison, like remember like it was this

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Speaker 1: I think like it. I'm just saying, like, as like

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Speaker 1: woman approved a hug. How much did you pay for

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Speaker 1: this ounce? Again?

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Speaker 2: Literally twenty five bucks? Uh yeah?

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Speaker 1: Wait?

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Speaker 2: Have you heard this band of tigra?

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Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends,

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Speaker 1: your filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books

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Speaker 1: and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm shook. It's memoirs Martini.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity Poop Club.

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Speaker 1: Come read it while it's hot. Celebrity Poop Club, I

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Speaker 1: tell your secrets.

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Speaker 2: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 1: No boys are a loud celebrity book say it loud

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Speaker 1: and pound. Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, best friend? Oh the fuck are you?

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Speaker 2: Oh my god? I'm doing pretty good and I have

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Speaker 2: to say hashtag season maxing. I'm kind of look so

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Speaker 2: It's like last winter was just so I wasn't even

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Speaker 1: A little bit of full calorie milk.

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Speaker 2: Full calorie milk, old milk, you know it. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever tried fair Life protein milk.

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Speaker 1: I've tried fair Life. I'm not a huge fan of

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Speaker 2: legend of the Booth Brothers dry them milk.

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Speaker 1: It is the creamiest, richest, butteriest milk you can imagine.

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Speaker 1: with a refined palate. I crepe deep duckadant dark milk

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Speaker 1: Yes, small fowl.

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Speaker 2: I went to Shay Josephine, which is a restaurant in

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Speaker 2: freaking fab.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful and there's like old photos of her.

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Speaker 2: No, it's a huge, massive old paintings of Justine Baker everywhere.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like owned by one of that she

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Speaker 1: I see. You mean it's not like she adopted an adult.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's this like there's these huge paintings everywhere

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Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, it was like scared quail.

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Speaker 1: But I'm sure she had a wonderful life.

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Speaker 2: I think she had a beautiful life and then she

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Speaker 1: Yeah, beautiful.

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Speaker 2: And these gay guys next to me at dinner were

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Speaker 2: In Chicago twenty four hours.

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Speaker 1: Were we talking about? Of course we're.

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Speaker 2: Talking about another painter, but kind of I always thought

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Speaker 1: Lot of dear theos. This is the letters of Vincevanga.

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Speaker 2: Shout out Penguin and shout out to I've never heard

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Speaker 2: Constantly drawing. Well, before we get into it, I just

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Speaker 1: I appreciate some of the impressions work. I do think

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Speaker 2: Straight up postcards. And I think van Go at least

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Speaker 1: But I also think that old like baroque stuff is

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Speaker 2: Emily if she's like more money or van go to me,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because he was a lonely ass bitch and he

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Speaker 2: And by the way, that slayed me because I was like,

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Speaker 2: I actually didn't say an idea. Yeah, it would probably

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Speaker 1: Yeah, if I could, let's just remove the middle man

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Speaker 2: Well, and this goes when he changes, of course, it

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Speaker 2: to oil, which is a lot.

440
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 1: More expensive, and drawings are impressive. I mean, I do

441
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: have to say, and this is what I think is

442
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: kind of like so classic like whatever, it's straight kai

443
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: but it's also just like Ridge and and queer where

444
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 1: it's like his fascination with the working class. It is

445
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: a little fetishistic.

446
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 2: Well, absolutely, and I wonder it's like, is that our

447
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,919
Speaker 2: generation and of being like third fourth generation, is it

448
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: queer or is it because it's like right, it's rigid

449
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: indie guy being like.

450
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: I think it's just like classically bourgeois to be like

451
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 1: look at someone on a loom and be like, marvelly,

452
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,160
Speaker 1: not their work.

453
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: Well, and it's even more I would say of the time,

454
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: since like we're the first generation to like make less

455
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: than our parents, so in a way, like we're reverting

456
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: back to the working class.

457
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,239
Speaker 1: Right, and now our parents will be making paintings of

458
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 1: us podcasting, but it's.

459
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 2: Like we're still like a lot of us have like

460
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,560
Speaker 2: grown up with a lot of priv so we're like,

461
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 2: I'm actually a part of your community. So if I

462
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,199
Speaker 2: like paint you being like a factory worker, we're kind

463
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: of one of the same because I'm a barista.

464
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: Right, totally. No, I mean when I paint a tomaly lady, Yes,

465
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 1: the same boat.

466
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,400
Speaker 2: I just feel like he is of that mindset. He's like, well,

467
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 2: I'm a poor artist and I'm rejecting my parents.

468
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 1: Because he actually says many times that he says he's

469
00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: like the artist is more similar to the smith or

470
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 1: to the doctor than to someone who lives a life

471
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: of leisure. And he's saying that he thinks like art

472
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,400
Speaker 1: should be a job and it is like a technically

473
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 1: demanding job that you just have to work at. And

474
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: I feel like the way that he was painting, that's

475
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,960
Speaker 1: kind of true, like he was working a lot. However,

476
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: by and large, I would not say that the artist

477
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: is the same as a doctor.

478
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 2: Well, okay, but like, how many books of doctors have

479
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 2: we read?

480
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we haven't read a tool.

481
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: We haven't read doctor oz No, So well depends on

482
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: the doctor.

483
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: Well, would not just imply that, yeah, they're not the same.

484
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,399
Speaker 2: No, they're definitely not the same, because my point is

485
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 2: that artists work are sometimes maybe more important than the

486
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: medical field. Oh yes, and the conversation rather than the

487
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 2: general practitioner that says gurgle salt.

488
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:56,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm on my r Okay, yes, but like society

489
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: needs the general practitionersough Also honestly, throughout all of his

490
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: doctors literally did nothing and were actually bad until look

491
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,239
Speaker 1: so recently Andy was like dying and they were just

492
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: like blood lp mark. Okay, but I'm not saying that

493
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: like creative labor is not essential.

494
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 2: In obviously, like is being like a conceptual artist like needed,

495
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,640
Speaker 2: we need to like pay them by the state. That's

496
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: up for debate.

497
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,439
Speaker 1: Even in his estimation of the craft of art making

498
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: and specifically like painting, like he's doing like as being

499
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,840
Speaker 1: something that just like is a technical skill that requires

500
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: a lot of dedication and requires like hours per day

501
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: and should be thought of as like a worker in

502
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: the same way. I'm also like it is self expression

503
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,639
Speaker 1: in a way that other things are not. The doctor

504
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: is not expressing himself no in surgery, and if he is,

505
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: that's a problem.

506
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, if he's like, oh damn, like I sewed this

507
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: up in an amazing way. Though, I feel like the

508
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: surgeon who did my top surgery like did think he

509
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 2: was an artist, and that goes to surgeon's narcissism, which

510
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: is a whole other episode. Yeah, because he was still

511
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: the trump and being like, what an amazing job I did. Wonderful,

512
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: wonderful look at a beautiful chest. Yeah, like this he

513
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: was being like he.

514
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: Was of chest. Yeah, look at my binder.

515
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 2: Here's a passage where this tends to, which is his

516
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 2: observations of the working class and drawing, which I thought

517
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 2: was just a beautiful sentence. Once again, hard at work

518
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: at drawing. I sometimes think there's nothing nicer than drawing.

519
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,400
Speaker 2: I do think drawing it's the first thing we learned

520
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,200
Speaker 2: to do in the arts as children, and I feel

521
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: like it's so meditative and like I am nostalgic for

522
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 2: like drawing as a child.

523
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,919
Speaker 1: It's immediate connection to inner child. You know. It so funny.

524
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: I was to sit down, put down your goddamn phone,

525
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 2: and like, just like let it go.

526
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this weekend I was skiing, and

527
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: for me, I learned just he as a child, and

528
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: so there's a nostalgia there, but you have to be

529
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: so present, especially when you're skiing moguls, because there's so

530
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: many things going on.

531
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 2: I've never done a mogal. You've always been scared.

532
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: Like you cannot be scrolling.

533
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 2: While yeah mogul, put the phone down.

534
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,560
Speaker 1: It is like the most wildly present activity, like you

535
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: can only think about your next move.

536
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 2: I for get worried when I see people post on

537
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: the mountains and.

538
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: You see me post on the mountains. Yes, well I'm

539
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: not like video and as I'm on the mocal no

540
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: but downhill.

541
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes it makes me nervous.

542
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: The thing is, though, it's that level of presence that

543
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: I do feel like drawing takes you back to, like

544
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: you say, meditative, which I think is true, right.

545
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: But no, it's also focus.

546
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: It's a separation from all distractions. And I'm sure maybe

547
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: because children are incredibly in touch with themselves.

548
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know what I mean.

549
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: But they don't have all the social anxieties, like the responsibilities.

550
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 2: And even the is this good will this?

551
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: Because that, like drawing, takes you back to that childlike

552
00:27:58,640 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: master of your domain.

553
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: Con just like I like this color, I want to

554
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: draw this dog and yeah, and now dog is killing

555
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: yes and dark drawings. Obviously paint can be that way too,

556
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: but I think just drawings comes usually before painting, and

557
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 2: then he goes on and this is where he is

558
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: being like in the way we always talk about like

559
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: American photography of like the American like pastoral, like mall

560
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 2: closing down, and it's a drawing of like three old women.

561
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: This is part of that Pew's piece. There are other

562
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 2: heads of men in the background. Things like this are difficult, however,

563
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 2: and don't always work straight away. When they do work,

564
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: it's sometimes the end result of a whole series of failures.

565
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 2: Speaking of the orphan men, I was interrupted while writing

566
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 2: these lines by the arrival of my model, and I

567
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: worked with him until dark. He was wearing a large,

568
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 2: old overcoat, which lends him a curiously broad figure. I

569
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 2: think you may perhaps like this collection of orphan men

570
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 2: and their Sunday best and they're working clothes. Then I

571
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: got him sitting with the short pipe as well. He

572
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: has a nice bald head, large ears, and white side whiskers.

573
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: He's literally being like, sorry, why is this homeless man

574
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: in a huge overcoat? Like the inspiration for Armani's next line.

575
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 1: Like it's so dear leak.

576
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: It's really dear ah leak, Like, oh my god, Orphan

577
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 2: style the nineteen twenties was so amazing.

578
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: His use of pain is a little it's like you say,

579
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 1: like versus trying. It's like you have to use a lot,

580
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: and he constantly talking about impasting, and it's like, I

581
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: think it just means like using a shit ton of

582
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: paint and it's like it starts to just get like

583
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: thick and dry. Yeah, and so you really have to

584
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 1: like commit. And then you're like, okay, like what color

585
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 1: am I making this? And then when he is being like, oh,

586
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: I'm making the tree a dark Prussian blue, that is

587
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: kind of like a crazy choice as opposed to making

588
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: the tree like brown, right, and people are being like whoa, whoa.

589
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: Like you're not just doing real stuff, which I guess

590
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: is again like what he was like being I'm a freak,

591
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 2: like I'm making a tree blue. Can you believe it? Yeah,

592
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 2: which is in a way also kind of like the

593
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: first like psychedelic.

594
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: Because he says this thing at some point where he's like,

595
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: in a way, I'm glad that I never learned painting Hey,

596
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: I know he underlines learned in all probability, I would

597
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: have then had to learn to ignore such effects as this.

598
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: Now I can say to myself, this is just what

599
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: I want. If it is impossible, it's impossible, but I'm

600
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: gonna try it, even though I don't know how it

601
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 1: ought to be done. I don't know myself at a pain do.

602
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 1: I just sit down with the whiteboard in front of

603
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: the spot that appeals to me. I look at what's

604
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: in front of my eyes, and I say to myself,

605
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: that whiteboard has got to turn into something. This has

606
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: actually just been so like Monday motivation, just like.

607
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's being literally like messy bun put on some

608
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: gangster rat. Get it get just like when I see

609
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 2: a blank calendar, that's actually an inspiration for me. And

610
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 2: that's why I take out my try colored stickies.

611
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: Because he's kind of saying like, yeah, I guess I'm sorry.

612
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm in insane savant, like I never learned how to paint.

613
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: It's just like shit, I'm just fucking weird because like

614
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: they never told me what not to do. Fuck the teachers.

615
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 2: No, He's like, fuck the teachers. Throughout this entire book.

616
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 2: He's really not talking to his parents because his brother

617
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 2: gets like an actual job. It's kind of classic where

618
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: it's like you respect the brother at a job because

619
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: it's like at a gallery and he's getting paid, but

620
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: the parents are like, don't become an artist?

621
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: Can I ask?

622
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: Though?

623
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 1: Like Vincent's making like dope work. The brother literally works

624
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: at a gallery, and yet why isn't it being shown

625
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: a Why is it being shot at literally that gallery?

626
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: B I'm sure he knows a gazillion other galleries in

627
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: Paris and Amsterdam and London. Why isn't he like, oh,

628
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: let me like send this Gallerius to your fucking studio

629
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: and like why why is it taking jo? Yeah?

630
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: Like no wonder Sometimes you're like damn, Vinny, like you're

631
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: actually being so mean to your brother who's straight up

632
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: supporting you. But then I'm also just like, yeah, I

633
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 2: would be mad. Yeah, you're just kind of being like,

634
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: here's twenty five francs so you can like paint your

635
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: little chairs.

636
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: And like I feels like probably going on studio visits,

637
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: like with fucking Saison, just being like mmm love this, Yeah,

638
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna show this at the.

639
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: Salon, And I feel like, Okay, if we can purchase

640
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: like entourage, Like.

641
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: I feel like, of course we can.

642
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like it's like THEO is like one

643
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: of Ari's assistants and is so like getting up the

644
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,959
Speaker 2: courage all year to like present his boss with like

645
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: one of his brother's drawings. And I was like, oh, hey,

646
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 2: like do you want to take a look at this?

647
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: And I just thinks it's awkward, yeah, and he's like, oh.

648
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: I mean I get it obviously. Sometimes, like we've all

649
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: been in a situation where somebody kind of asks you

650
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: for something and they're like, hey, do you know this person?

651
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: Like I feel like people ask me that a lot

652
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: about like oh, like I want to like get pressed

653
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: or something, and they're like do you know this writer?

654
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 1: Like would you want to put me in touch with

655
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 1: somebody like this here or there? And I'm sometimes I'm

656
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: like sure, but sometimes I'm like.

657
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: No, Well, sometimes you don't want to give all your

658
00:32:59,000 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 2: cards exactly.

659
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend my political capital on this

660
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: person who frankly, maybe I just don't think that their

661
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: art is that worthy. And so I do feel like

662
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: maybe THEO thought that a little bit about Vincent. Yeah,

663
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: but he wasn't a total believer in the work.

664
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 2: Because he's always sending THEO there were paintings. But then

665
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: I thought it was cool that Van go even though

666
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: he had like such utter confidence to keep on going

667
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 2: and like keep on going into insane asylums and practicing

668
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 2: and many times he's like, oh, I know, my drawing's

669
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: not there. Like he's like, I'm not. He's a very

670
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: like believer in like you actually have to like paint

671
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 2: and draw every d the process and like do it

672
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: every day.

673
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: I mean that's very not gay of him.

674
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, he's like so crazy straight guy.

675
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: I think he is crazy straight guy.

676
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 2: I as someone who went to the School of the

677
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 2: Art Institute of Chicago.

678
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: Where will be on February twenty seven that Sleeping Village.

679
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: Get your tickets now with the link in our bio.

680
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 2: That's right. Anyway, I went to school with a lot

681
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 2: of male painters and they were like tortured, and I

682
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: was always a little bit like.

683
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: Why, what's the matter, And it was like color canvas,

684
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: paint and they're always stretching. I mean some of those

685
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,320
Speaker 1: guys are legitimately alcoholics, which is a disease. Yes, although

686
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: Van Goh actually literally got epilepsy from drinking too much absinthe,

687
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: which is insane. No, he's.

688
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: Doing turpentine like he's being very Jerry Springer. A show

689
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: I worked on in the City of Chicago would be

690
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 2: The twenty seventh when it was like alcoholics would be

691
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,280
Speaker 2: on and it would be like, oh, this person's drinking

692
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 2: like straight up mouth washed to get wasted.

693
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: He was more in that category.

694
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: Moving on to love for just a moment. Oh yeah,

695
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: speaking of heterosexuality. Yeah, so this is also very like

696
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: straight painter. He fell in love with this woman, Key Voss,

697
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: who was his cousin. Yeah, straight up his cousin.

698
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: So it had so straight painter. Okay, what's weirdness? The

699
00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 1: parents were so like disapproving of this, but it was

700
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: like the nineteenth century and it was like, actually so

701
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 1: normal to be marrying your cousins. But I thought it

702
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: was because like her parents were just priven because they

703
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 1: were like, you're poor.

704
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, thought he was a poor and sketchy. So he's

705
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 2: writing to THEO and he's like, I need to tell

706
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: you something, which is kind of gay, and so he's like,

707
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to let you know that I feel so

708
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 2: much desired.

709
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: Gossip is gay with key Voss.

710
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 2: The summer, and then I can find no other words

711
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 2: for it. It is just as if key Voss were

712
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: the closest person to me and I the closest person

713
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 2: to kie Voss, And those are the words I spoke

714
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 2: to her. But when I told her this, she replied

715
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: that her past and her future remained as one to her,

716
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 2: so that she could never return my feelings.

717
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: She was literally like no, says I'm good.

718
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: She was not now, so not never.

719
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: He does not take this rejection. Well, then this is insane.

720
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 1: So he goes to Amsterdam to try and see her

721
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,959
Speaker 1: where she is like from So this is a later letter.

722
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: Now this is like, I don't know. A couple months later,

723
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: another letter to THEO. I'm like, THEO just must be

724
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: spending all day reading these fucking waters the substack and.

725
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 2: Never ends well because later on he's like, the letters

726
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: fall off when he gets married. But we'll get into that.

727
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: Forgive me if I repeat myself. But I don't know

728
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 1: if I've already written to you exactly what happened to

729
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: me in Amsterdam.

730
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 2: It's very like you texted me that yesterday.

731
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 1: He was like, okay, so here's what went down. On Amsterdam.

732
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: I went there thinking perhaps the no never ever will thaw,

733
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,240
Speaker 1: the weather is so mild, just being like, maybe she's

734
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 1: gonna come around.

735
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, He's like maybe it's just about like persistence and

736
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: like girls are into that to like kind true to

737
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: a point.

738
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: And so one five in evening, I trudged along the

739
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 1: Kaiserkrocks looking for the house, and indeed I found it.

740
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like he's never been to her parents'.

741
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 2: House before, and it's like and he's the show up.

742
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's also like a little bit like borderline stalker.

743
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: And naturally I rang the doorbell and was told that

744
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: the family were still at dinner. But then I was

745
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: told to come in all the same and all of

746
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: them were there, including Jan and that very learned professor,

747
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 1: except for Key. And there was a plate in front

748
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: of each person, but no extra plate. This small detail

749
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: struck me. They had wanted to make me think that

750
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: he wasn't there and had taken away her plate, but

751
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:13,799
Speaker 1: I knew that she was there, and I thought it

752
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: all a bit of a farce or charade. And I'm like, oh, okay, proenoid.

753
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: Down staring at these plates, being like, oh, she was there,

754
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: but then she was like, take away my plate.

755
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm going upstairs, So like she left the table and

756
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: then they like put the plate in the kitchen, so

757
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: he wouldn't think that like room, So if there had

758
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: been an extra plate in a person, you would have

759
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: been like, she's there. But then the no plate, you're

760
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: also like, oh, they just took away the plate. It's

761
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: like you're being crazy.

762
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: He's being completely insane.

763
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 1: And like even if she was hiding in her bedroom,

764
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: that just means she doesn't want to see you and

765
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: you're being cuckoo.

766
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 2: Well she's not being like oh my god, you showed up.

767
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 2: Like it's not holiday movie where it's like like a

768
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 2: just no point. Does it even sound like there was

769
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 2: even a flirtation. Yeah, And he's telling THEO and he's being.

770
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 1: Like, no, but I'm obsessed with he's and.

771
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: He's been like I don't regret any of it. And

772
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 2: he's like, I like wish for you to have this

773
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 2: sort of love.

774
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, which is.

775
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: Like also so sad. He's like I wish you to

776
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,359
Speaker 2: have this obsessive love.

777
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 1: That to me was a little bit him trying to

778
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: be like hey, like what's going on with you true, yeah,

779
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,360
Speaker 1: a little bit like him being you get yeah, like

780
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: so like have you ever like had like penetrative sucks before,

781
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 1: like kind of hoping that he will be a little

782
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: bit revealing.

783
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: I think he's you know, because sometimes you're like, I don't.

784
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: Think he was dating anybody at that point, even though because.

785
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: THEO doesn't get with Johannah.

786
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: Miss Bonger, if you mask me, yeah.

787
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: Till much later. And so I think that is his

788
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 2: way because maybe that would be like two forward for

789
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 2: a man of that time to be like are you

790
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:47,280
Speaker 2: with the lady?

791
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: Yes, like bring me news, But then what suple bosoms?

792
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,879
Speaker 2: You may have rested upon all these letters like it's

793
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 2: blah blah blah my charcoal blah blah blah by me

794
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 2: paintings wholesale, and he rarely like is like what's up?

795
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: Well, but that's that thing of like classic narcissist who

796
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 1: knows when to inject one little thing to be like

797
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 1: oh and like wait chica, like how are you doing?

798
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: Okay anyway? Wait okay. The most insane, egregious example of

799
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: that it's at the end. So when THEO has a

800
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: son and names it after Vincent, names it like VILLEM

801
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: or whatever, which is I guess like a derivation of Vincent.

802
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: But it's right after Vango has basically gotten his first press,

803
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: there's this one article that's written about him, and so

804
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: THEO sent him an article that's in this French magazine

805
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: and it's like about Vincent.

806
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: And imagine what birth was?

807
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: I mean to finally, at like thirty six, to just

808
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: like finally have a blog post about you, like when

809
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: paper magazine is just like you check out this artist

810
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, the way like.

811
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 2: Thirty at that time was might as well been sixty.

812
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: Yeah no, And like this paper mag article launches and

813
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: he's like, so gassed up the who But then also

814
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: Theodos had a baby. So he writes THEO, going, my

815
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: dear Theory, I just receive your good news that you're

816
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: a father at last, that Joe is over the most

817
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 1: critical period, and finally that little boy is doing well.

818
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: This has done more good and giving me more pleasure

819
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 1: that I can put into words, bra Vo, and how

820
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: pleased mother will be. So what I have been longing

821
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,479
Speaker 1: for so much in so long time has happened at last.

822
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: No need to tell you that my thoughts have often

823
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: turned to you over so late, how brave and calm

824
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: she was the movin or peril. It touched me very much. Well,

825
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,760
Speaker 1: it all helps a great deal and making me forget

826
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: these last days when I was ill. At such times,

827
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 1: I no longer knew where I am, and my mind wanders.

828
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: Next paragraph, I was extremely surprised by the article on

829
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: my paintings you sent me. No need to tell you that.

830
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: I hope to keep thinking that. I don't paint like that,

831
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: but I do gather from it. Now I ought to

832
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: be painting from the article is absolutely right in the way,

833
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: and then it's literally nine more paragraphs about the article.

834
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: He was like, wait, do you remember that part in

835
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 2: the article when it says this, He's like, by the way, congrats.

836
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: No, he literally does, like a line by line breakdown,

837
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 1: just like one paragraph.

838
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: Congrats you think about some people in your life.

839
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it does make you think about certain people in

840
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,240
Speaker 1: your life.

841
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was kind of just saying, okay, yes, no, right,

842
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: I wasn't talking about you.

843
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: I thought it was me.

844
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 2: I mean, no, you would like so send an Etsy gift.

845
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: No, I'm obsessed with babies.

846
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in the kind of there's like some biographical

847
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 2: parts in this book between the letters and then also

848
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 2: talks about how van Go like gets so mad when

849
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 2: THEO gets married, and like, you know, his letters are

850
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 2: a little more few and far between because it's like, well, damn,

851
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: how can you keep up with this though, and all

852
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: of his letters and it's like, sorry, he has to

853
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 2: have some sort of life himself. Yet so heartbreaking. When

854
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 2: van Go kills himself in a field, THEO gets note

855
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:49,320
Speaker 2: from the doctor. Comes Van Go dies in Theo's arms,

856
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 2: so beautiful, and then THEO I think he was having

857
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: health problems himself.

858
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 1: He had a little something we like to call syphilis.

859
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, from Johanna or not Joe.

860
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 1: He may not have been barling Banger when he got

861
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 1: the sef.

862
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 2: And that's private and that's up to Joe.

863
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: He also has a long incubation period.

864
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,359
Speaker 2: He could have gotten that from just like deach John Furtenberg.

865
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, six two brothels were everywhere because you know, so Vincent,

866
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: like six months before the gunshot, he had cut off

867
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: his ear after a fight with Gogan, and then he

868
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: went to a brothel and presented the ear to one

869
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: of the ladies of the night at the brothel.

870
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 2: Fucking freak. Yeah, he's so sketchy. His thing with Gogant

871
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: was very also like art school romance, where they were

872
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 2: like besties and like we're always going to Brittany or

873
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 2: somewhere to the paints with each other. And it was

874
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 2: still like wine and turpentine and absynthe.

875
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: And hips and Quail quail and like and a brothel.

876
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: But then it's also so like our guys Rail.

877
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: And a brothel over coat Rail and a brothel.

878
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, on like the ninth bottle of coate drone. Yeah,

879
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: they're like, I actually hate that brushstroke and he's like, bitch,

880
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: give me the scissors.

881
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: No, it got really awkward because like he's with Gogang

882
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: and then what does he say this like very short

883
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: letter he writes right at the end of like they're

884
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of fighting. Then Gogan leaves and he goes. I

885
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: think that go Gown was a little disenchanted with the

886
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 1: good town of Arl, the little yellow house where we work,

887
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 1: and above all with me and short. I think that

888
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 1: he'll either simply leave or he'll simply stay. I've told him.

889
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: But they get over and wig up the pros and

890
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: cons before doing anything. Gogan is very strong, very creative,

891
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 1: but he needs peace precisely because of that. Will he

892
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 1: find it elsewhere if he doesn't find it here? I

893
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 1: wait his decision with absolute equanimity, with a good handshake, Vincent.

894
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 1: And then it's like the next day he caught up.

895
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: His ear and he's trying to be so like, oh,

896
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 2: I don't know, last weekend was fun. Yeah, I do

897
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: wish him the best. He might be a little upset

898
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 2: with me, but onward and vin go. He at one point,

899
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 2: I mean before the death, he does find love, but

900
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 2: like he doesn't really love her.

901
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 1: Wait that like pregnant woman? Yeah with CN, oh, that

902
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: like old pregnant woman that he paints It was.

903
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 2: The way matters stand with CN is that I'm generally

904
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 2: attached to her, and she to me that she is

905
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: my loyal helpmate. Imagine being all to loyal.

906
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: She think seems like literally homeless. And he was like,

907
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: I'll feed you if you like pose for me.

908
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they like did fuck? Who goes everywhere

909
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 2: with me? And who is becoming more indispensable to me

910
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 2: by the day. I feel less passionate for her than

911
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: I did for Key Voss left here, But the kind

912
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,359
Speaker 2: of love I have for Ciena is the only one

913
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: I'm still capable of after the disappointment of that first passion.

914
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 2: She and I are two unhappy people who keep each

915
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: other company and share a burden. And that is precisely

916
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: what And happiness is making way for happiness, and the

917
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,880
Speaker 2: unbearable is becoming unbearable. It's just kind of like we're

918
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 2: both just like super depressed. And she's like sad.

919
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: And old and homeless, and and I'm like completely mentally

920
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: insane and like still my cousin and.

921
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Poor, I hate him, jealous my brother's wife, and like

922
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm still holding onto an ear and a brothel. But

923
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,760
Speaker 2: I guess it's like good to like order takeout.

924
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,880
Speaker 1: With some Yeah. And they were just kind of having

925
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 1: this like grub up relationship.

926
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: Oil painting and chill.

927
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, being like seabiscuits again, ships more ships, biscuits. Sure.

928
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: The parents were even more like damn, what are you

929
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: up to? YEA, Like now you're doting this home bostwoman,

930
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 2: go to.

931
00:45:49,440 --> 00:46:01,360
Speaker 1: Church, dns.

932
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 2: What does she with?

933
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: What does she eat? Okay, what does she eat? He's

934
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 1: so spartan, He's like coffee, biscuits, water absence.

935
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: Okay, I have to read this part where he's in

936
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 2: the insane asylum and he's talking about how everyone else

937
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: is like eating, and he's kind of looking down at

938
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 2: as like, oh, you're eating to like waste time. But

939
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,959
Speaker 2: I took this as like everyone being gassy. He goes,

940
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: the poor wretches here have absolutely nothing to do, not

941
00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: a book, nothing more to distract them than a game

942
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: of bullet or a game of droughts, have no other

943
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: daily distraction than to stuff themselves with chickpeas and roco beans,

944
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 2: lentils and other groceries and colonial produce and sent amounts

945
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: of stated hours. As the digestion of these food stuffs

946
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 2: offers certain difficulties, they fill their days in a manner

947
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,240
Speaker 2: as inoffensive as it is costly.

948
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: I was just like, so they're farting up a storm.

949
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 1: I took that, or they're like shitting down the latrines.

950
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: Maybe, I guess I kind of took it as like

951
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 2: in the lentils could be like gassy, way, but it's

952
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: like and pees together, It's like.

953
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: It was gas and then all that colonial produce that

954
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 1: they're not used.

955
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: To colonial produce. Yeah, and I think it's like they're

956
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 2: serving then he's having one green bead.

957
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: But I guess at one point he brags, he goes,

958
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: fortunately my stomach is recovered, because he was like, after

959
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 1: one of his episodes, he was like, to such an

960
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: extent that I lived for three weeks of the month

961
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: on ship's biscuits with milk and eggs.

962
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: Can you, I mentione, how dry those biscuits are?

963
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah? He once you soak them in milk though.

964
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 2: Sound tasty? Yeah, You're like, I like dark biscuits, dark biscuscuits,

965
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 2: light milk, light milk. How does he live? Padded walls? Yeah,

966
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: it's padded cell with window of a beautiful garden.

967
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and then famously starry night he was looking

968
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 1: out the window of his insanea tount himself in the

969
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 1: night and being like that's gorgeous and making a little

970
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: sketch and then painting during the day.

971
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,200
Speaker 2: So he likes snad and day. He loves the time

972
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 2: giving window.

973
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: He's giving window, he is giving time of day.

974
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, if he lived in modern times.

975
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 1: I guess I'm like, would he be like more of

976
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: a hoarder if you were an artist today? And would

977
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 1: it be so like just cigarettes and like gatorade bottles.

978
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 2: I can't, yeah, but it wouldn't be horor would be

979
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 2: like I think it would be the meme mattress on

980
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 2: the mattress on floor books, Gatorade one like vodka bottle.

981
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: And I think that he still would be basically like

982
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,440
Speaker 1: because I was thinking of how he hasn't sold anything

983
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: at all, and I'm like, God, if you could just

984
00:48:30,760 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: get on Instagram, you could have a link tree and

985
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 1: people could be like, Oh, here's my work. But I

986
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 1: also think that he would be the kind of strikeuy

987
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: who would just be like, I don't really fuck with Instagram.

988
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: No. He would have a flip phone. Yeah, he'd be that.

989
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: I'd be like, oh yeah, and he'd get an iPhone

990
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: for Christmas and he'd be like I don't fucking want

991
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: this and be like okay, and his mom would be like,

992
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,839
Speaker 2: what if you set up an Etsy? Yeah, and like

993
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: maybe like Johanna would actually be setting up an Etsy

994
00:48:58,080 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: for him.

995
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: And he'd be like, you don't fucking get it, mom.

996
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 2: They're trying to turn it into post girls already.

997
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 1: But does he wear chor coat?

998
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is he like o G French blue chort?

999
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: Because I think he's also a little bit into the

1000
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: kind of like, Oh, no, I think he's which was

1001
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: chort coats. Yeah, and he's not being so like cravat

1002
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: and no, it's like maybe he's like suspenders.

1003
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: I don't think he's in like he's kind of ate

1004
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: a chortcoat on this.

1005
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, this famous self portrait, he's in a

1006
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: chortcoat and I think underneath but people like didn't have

1007
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: belts back then, like he did have suspenders.

1008
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,359
Speaker 2: You live now, I feel like you'd wear a belt

1009
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,840
Speaker 2: that'd be like a bicycle bungee cord tied around pants.

1010
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: You think he's that like Portland could be just being

1011
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I just sucking something.

1012
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: I found it, Yeah, just hold it up.

1013
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: Maybe I think I think he's a little bit more like, oh,

1014
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:53,919
Speaker 1: I took this from my dad and wearing my dad's belt.

1015
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 2: I hate my dad. I hate my dad, but I

1016
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 2: have but it's like a beautiful leather belt. Yeah, that too.

1017
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: I think he would go two faces. Yeah, and I

1018
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: see like a little bit of a wide canvas pant

1019
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 2: for sure.

1020
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: Would he have like a little pony or No, No,

1021
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 1: he's kind.

1022
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 2: Of shorn less, like little creepy pony that's too new agy.

1023
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,719
Speaker 1: But like low weird little like rattail on most.

1024
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 2: Oh, I could see him as rattail or like having

1025
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 2: an accidental like bullet, because he would definitely cut his own.

1026
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 1: Hair, yes, and it's hard to get the back and.

1027
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 2: Be like choppy bead head shoes like cool French leather

1028
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 2: shoes that like are actually kind of from like a bespokerye.

1029
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 2: But he would just see it as a local persons.

1030
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: You don't think he would, Oh, I'm just talking about then,

1031
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: But I feel like it was like just a place

1032
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: you would go to be.

1033
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,080
Speaker 1: I think he'd be like so maryls and asex now

1034
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: like yes, yeah.

1035
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: And but in this way where someone if his dress

1036
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: your shoes, they'd be like, oh, where'd you get those?

1037
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: You'd be like, I don't know, man, I just like

1038
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: stumbled into the shop in Portugal and they they made

1039
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: these shoes for me, and they're like beautiful.

1040
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: Ex girlfriend and she's my cousin.

1041
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 2: My ex girlfriend cousin like knows this guy who got

1042
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: the wholesale like Portuguese leather like mohair loafers.

1043
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: Who are you in the book?

1044
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 2: You know. I was looking at good Gal's work and

1045
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: I was like drawn to it. Yeah, I was drawn

1046
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: to it, and like because it was being a little

1047
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 2: more like nightlife and like cafe.

1048
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 1: Go Gan spent a little more time on his works

1049
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 1: because Bengo really like busted through. He was just like Boom,

1050
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm done, Boom, I'm done.

1051
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: Which I also kind of relate with, and like, Okay,

1052
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,600
Speaker 2: made a drawing.

1053
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: Because I do think you have that confidence and that

1054
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 1: ability to stop and say it's done. It's done.

1055
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like you're more like you could you could

1056
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 2: tweak forever.

1057
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I think I'm actually more go gown that

1058
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 1: sense if we're just looking at the two Yeah.

1059
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 2: Like I think I'm more van Go and being like

1060
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 2: I drew a chair of an old man.

1061
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: An old man say, but I also see my you know,

1062
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: I can be a gatekeeper in the sense that the okay.

1063
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,000
Speaker 2: Are you theo, well, you are a support of the arts,

1064
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 2: Like I could also see you being like I will

1065
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: give you thirty two francs, but I'm not gonna like

1066
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,959
Speaker 2: intro you to the senator. Yeah, you are a philanthropist.

1067
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 2: That's a little me and I'm van Go yeah, and

1068
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 2: I am just being like, how cool did that old man, Yeah, sorry,

1069
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 2: my new favorite person.

1070
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,719
Speaker 1: What do I give this one? I have to say, like,

1071
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 1: I do think that he drones on and on and

1072
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: on and on.

1073
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: I was a little slow to get into it, but

1074
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 2: then I kind of locked in.

1075
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 1: I don't know. I find the letters to be like, hey,

1076
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: this a bridge version. Even with how a bridge, it

1077
00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: is like.

1078
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 2: They're a little more bridged.

1079
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:43,279
Speaker 1: And I feel like they also included a lot of

1080
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: maybe boring letters, but could have kept out some of

1081
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: the more interesting ones.

1082
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would have loved like maybe this is out there, like, okay,

1083
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,720
Speaker 2: what are his most sassy letters? And maybe, like I'll

1084
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: pitch that to Penguin Classics.

1085
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,720
Speaker 1: I just find his writing style to be a little

1086
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Speaker 1: long winded, and he like takes a while to stay

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00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: stuff and kind of repeats himself and like goes in

1088
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 1: these circles.

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00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 2: And there's some beautiful lines here, but it's a little

1090
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: like give me Franks, give me Franks. Look at this drawing,

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00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 2: and then they are like moments of genius. And it's

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00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: always interesting to kind of see the time that he's in.

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Speaker 1: Like, I sincerely hope that you won't conclude from this

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00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 1: letter that I'm presumptuous have to think that would be

1095
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: possible to do something straight away with these first studies,

1096
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: seeing once interpreted certain remarks I made that way although

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00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,920
Speaker 1: I had met nothing of the sort anyway. I used

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00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: to be able to tell better than I can now

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00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:35,959
Speaker 1: what something was worth and if it could be sold

1100
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Speaker 1: or not. Now it's daily brought home to me that

1101
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: I no longer know about that sort of thing, and

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Speaker 1: I'm more interested in studying nature than the price of pictures.

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Speaker 1: It's like you could have said that in one sentence,

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00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: as opposed to take an entire paragraph to just be like, uh,

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00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm, you know, not asware of whether

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00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: or not something is commercially viable anymore, because I'm more

1107
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: interested in like nature and like the actual subject material.

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Speaker 2: What I did like about this is how like fucking

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00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: so he was about his parents. Look, I did love

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00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,760
Speaker 2: seeing that of him just being like mom and dad,

1111
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: I will return when they stop being such annoying ass Protestants.

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00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that, even though he is also being

1113
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: so like I'm so Christian.

1114
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 2: That part I was a little bit like, dude, chill,

1115
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 2: chill with the God stuff.

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Speaker 1: I give this three out of five severalty years because

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Speaker 1: I just like I wish it were a diary.

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00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 2: No, it's hard, and then to go from like peace,

1119
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: I'm sir Picasso or no, sorry, diego.

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Speaker 1: Letters like yes, people should write letters, but letters are

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00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: a weird way of like archiving your life because like

1122
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 1: you're performing this like for this very specific audience of

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00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 1: one and like brother, your brother, and I feel like

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00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: it ends up being less like honest than.

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00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:50,760
Speaker 2: Which is interesting because it's how he sees himself towards

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00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,759
Speaker 2: his brothers another way of looking at it.

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00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: True, but I think like a diary is more honest,

1128
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: but even also a memoir in some ways, even if

1129
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: you're being like fanciful about your own kind of like

1130
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: like mythology, like is some more honest away because you're

1131
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: like putting all the pieces together in a letter. You're

1132
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: trying to be like, oh, I'm only winding with this.

1133
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: One person will be interested.

1134
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, when it's like what actually is THEO interested? I

1135
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: give it three point two like insane asylum chickpea meals

1136
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: out of five. Like to kind of see his anger

1137
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: as someone who came to I guess impressionism as kind

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00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 2: of this more like pretty genre. I think I liked

1139
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 2: seeing his anger.

1140
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: In the writing. Yep. And then now you see the

1141
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: passion in the breast trucks, in the breast trucks.

1142
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 2: And I will go to the starry night whatever like

1143
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: that's on the.

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00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: Story, fire on the canvas, Yeah, and I'll go get

1145
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 1: a moment. Storry Knight is a member of their permanent collection.

1146
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: I love that museum, yeah, but I love the Art

1147
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,919
Speaker 2: institud of Chicago better. And you can find us there

1148
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: February twenty seven.

1149
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: In the city, not the not the museum.

1150
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 2: Yeah you guys. Wow, what a journey through time and

1151
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,800
Speaker 2: painting and art. Think you as always from the bottom

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00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:14,279
Speaker 2: of my heart for listening. Love you best, do you fear.

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00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 2: I want to tell you about a painter I met

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00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 2: in Amsterdam. Her name was Christina Everett Well. She is

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Speaker 2: the executive producer of a group of artists a gallery show.

1156
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 2: It's quite amazing. I would love for you to connect

1157
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 2: me with them. She had a helpmate named Darby Masters

1158
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 2: who was a producer and she is a fine woman.

1159
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 2: I've been closed in here some of my drawings. Could

1160
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 2: you give them to Darby Masters? Now onto more important information.

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00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 2: There's a supervising producer in Brittany his name is Abuzafar.

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00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: I would like to stay at his house, so if

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00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 2: you could arrange that, that would be amazing. And I

1164
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 2: know there's an engineer who worked there who could supply

1165
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:00,600
Speaker 2: me with canvases and teach me how to stretch canvas,

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00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:05,719
Speaker 2: named the Heath Fraser. But by the way, I've enclosed

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00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 2: another drawing for you to give to this man who

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00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: owns a cafe in Nie Stephen Phillips Horst. He is

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00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 2: a pianist of sorts and he will be putting on

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00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 2: a show and he sings a theme song for Celebrity

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00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 2: Book Club. So please give him him my drawing. I

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00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 2: would like it displayed in his cafe. Next order of business.

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Speaker 2: Last weekend, I at a beautiful weekend with the Prolile

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Speaker 2: Project's crew. I'm not sure if they're a little mad

1175
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 2: at me though, because I let's just say this, I

1176
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: vomited all my food up on the weekend. I got

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00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 2: a little too drunk on turpentine and now I am

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00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 2: a little embarrassed. So if you would mind sending them

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Speaker 2: twenty four francs, my apologies, Thank you very much.