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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast. George Nor

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Speaker 1: with you along with Hugh Ross. We're going to take

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Speaker 1: calls with you next hour here on Coast to Coast.

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Speaker 1: We're talking about all his work. His latest book is

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Speaker 1: Designed to the Core, which comes out in June. Hugh,

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Speaker 1: do you know the folks at SETI Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence?

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Speaker 1: Nice people? They are nice people, and I actually went

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Speaker 1: to graduate school with one of them, so I'm quite

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Speaker 1: familiar with their work. I read their papers. Was that

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Speaker 1: Seth Why any chance Shastachosta? Oh yeah, I knew him

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Speaker 1: as a grad student. He's a good guy indeed. But

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Speaker 1: they continue listening for something out there. But how do

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Speaker 1: we know that technology is available to the ets? Well,

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Speaker 1: it may or it may not be. And the city

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Speaker 1: people have basically ruled out three hundred light years out

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Speaker 1: from planet Earth. So that means that any conversation is

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Speaker 1: going to take a minimum of six hundred years to

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Speaker 1: also realize that there's a rather narrow zone of habitability

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Speaker 1: in our galaxy, so that three hundred light years is actually,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, our rather severe underestimate. And again we

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Speaker 1: can't find a galaxy that's sufficiently like ours to be

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Speaker 1: a candidate. You know, my book Designed to the Core,

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Speaker 1: I show you the twelve spiral galaxies that come the

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Speaker 1: closest to meeting the characteristics necessary for advanced length, but

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Speaker 1: none of them come even close. Our Milky Way galaxy

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Speaker 1: is alone. It is fascinating out there. It's it's boggles

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Speaker 1: the mind. You know, lately we've been getting incredible UFO reports.

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Speaker 1: You I've got to bring this up, you know, military

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Speaker 1: reports videos. There's a congressional hearings will start soon. What's

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Speaker 1: your take on all of that. Well, I wrote a

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Speaker 1: book with a couple of colleagues a few years ago

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Speaker 1: I've been processing UFO reports since I was sixteen, since

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Speaker 1: I was an amateur astronomer before becoming a professional, I

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Speaker 1: always got the job of processing the UFO reports. And

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Speaker 1: about ninety nine percent I'm able to explain as natural

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Speaker 1: phenomena military secret aircraft or hoaxes. But there's a one

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Speaker 1: percent residual, and it's not a small residual. It adds

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Speaker 1: up to more than ten million documented cases. But what

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Speaker 1: we notice about those ten million plus cases is that

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Speaker 1: they're violating the laws of physics. Nevertheless, we know they're

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Speaker 1: nonphysical reality. I do believe in non physical reality, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's behind the UFO phenomena. There are

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Speaker 1: beings that are real, but they're not physical. They're not

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Speaker 1: constrained by the physics of the universe. Would you be

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Speaker 1: they were like us, constrained by the physics of the universe.

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Speaker 1: It's not something I've ruled out because as an astronomer,

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Speaker 1: I can't say we've exhaustively looked at every spot in

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Speaker 1: the observable universe. We haven't. On the other hand, what

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Speaker 1: though we look say five billion light years away, and

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Speaker 1: like Mars, like Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus. Well, now twenty years later,

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Speaker 1: When we discovered planets, as you said, in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: That was my guest as a little kid, well as

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Speaker 1: beyond the space time dimensions of the universe, who's responsible

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Speaker 1: all the life that exists beyond the universe. What do

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Speaker 1: you say that scientists who just don't believe, They don't

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Speaker 1: tell us about your organization Reasons to Believe. While we're

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Speaker 1: a group of research scientists who are believers in Jesus

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Speaker 1: is actually predicted future scientific discoveries, and use it as

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Speaker 1: The more we learn about nature, the more evidence will

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Speaker 1: is showing people that day by day increasing evidence is

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Speaker 1: What do you think? What was that again? But what

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Speaker 1: It is increasing. We're a rapidly growing organization. We've developed

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Speaker 1: Every day we get a stronger case for the Christian

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Speaker 1: published in the scientific literature. You've quoted Sir Fred Hoyle

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Speaker 1: They are all available on Amazon. We're going to come

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Speaker 1: it was thirty seven years ago. Guy, So you just

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Speaker 1: do a great job and you've been fine. How many

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Speaker 1: small minority. There's a lot of them out there. Listen

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