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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of five

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Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark and there's Charles W Chuck Bryant and um,

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Speaker 1: it's just us again, it's just us. We've lost Jerry.

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Speaker 1: I'm in the studio like I wasn't the last one,

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Speaker 1: but it's still a ghost studio. There's no one here

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Speaker 1: except for Tommy Chong and the radio or the record player. Right, sure, good,

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Speaker 1: let's just get that. We said that, Um, we have

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Speaker 1: a somebody poised to like scratch the needle off the

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Speaker 1: record several episodes ago, and that it was Tommy Chong

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Speaker 1: who who job it was to do that? Now? That's right? Good, callback,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Talk bras Yeah, we're talking bras Man, which

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it when we do stuff like this, episodes

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Speaker 1: like this, because we have to try harder because we're men,

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Speaker 1: you know, sure the usual it's the only time we

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Speaker 1: have to try harder in life. Sadly that is kind

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Speaker 1: of true. Um, but we we haven't shied away from

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Speaker 1: topics that have very little to do with us, like

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Speaker 1: um courses. We did one on how Courset's work. Do

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Speaker 1: you remember totally did a whole episode on coursets. Geez.

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Speaker 1: We did one on female puberty. Yeah, footbinding. Yeah, we've

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Speaker 1: done a lot of them. So this is just three

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Speaker 1: one and the same three is a lot when it

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Speaker 1: comes to this kind of stuff. Yeah, no, I'm just kidding.

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Speaker 1: And and uh we we did mention doing one on

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Speaker 1: menstruation not too long ago, and we got a bunch

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Speaker 1: of supportive emails saying like, yes, guys, please please do that,

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Speaker 1: like there's no reason why you should. Please, I've been

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Speaker 1: menstruating for fifty years and I still don't understand it.

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Speaker 1: Please explain, Yeah, exactly. So, actually we have not gotten

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Speaker 1: an email, although we wouldn't know if we had, you know,

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, because our email servers down. Sorry if you've

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Speaker 1: been bounced everyone. Yeah, we're working on it. So we're

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Speaker 1: talking Bras, which is short for Brazier, which doesn't have

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Speaker 1: a definite origin as far as we know. We think

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Speaker 1: that it came about in the twentieth century, early twentieth century.

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Speaker 1: I think it first appeared in print in nine seven

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Speaker 1: or something like that, and that in French it means

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Speaker 1: one of two things. It means either arm covering, which

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Speaker 1: is I think derived from like medieval armor, French medieval armor,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. And then the other thing I saw

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Speaker 1: was a child's vest, which that to me is just lovely.

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Speaker 1: If that's what they're trying to say with the bra,

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Speaker 1: that it's like a child size vest that you wear

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Speaker 1: around your over your breasts. I love that idea. You

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Speaker 1: want to know something funny. For the first in minutes

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Speaker 1: researching this, this was put together by our pal Dave

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Speaker 1: brus I kept thinking, why is ruse Why does he

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Speaker 1: keep talking about brasseries? Why does he keep talking about

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Speaker 1: quaint little French restaurants. That's funny, It's very close. It

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Speaker 1: looks like Brazier. It does well yeah, yeah, um yeah

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Speaker 1: it does. I think if that I was just a

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Speaker 1: little further towards the end, we would be talking about

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Speaker 1: casual French restaurants, the t g I Fridays of France. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's better than my experience. For the first thirty minutes,

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Speaker 1: I was researching nothing but carbraws. Oh god, the Lebras,

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Speaker 1: remember those? No, I think there was a Lebra, which

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Speaker 1: was one of the big popular models at the time

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Speaker 1: for like Porsches and stuff like that. I don't remember

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Speaker 1: that at all. You know, my dad very stupidly bought

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Speaker 1: with that food truck money, with that big, big public

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Speaker 1: school teacher money. He went out, he went out and

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Speaker 1: rest of the family. They sweet Porsche nine eleven, like

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Speaker 1: a new one that no one was allowed to like

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Speaker 1: breathe on. No, it wasn't new, but he he very

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Speaker 1: like the next week he had like the Porsche is sad,

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Speaker 1: and it was. They were not fun cards to drive.

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Speaker 1: They were very difficult to drive. Yeah. Yeah, They're all

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Speaker 1: very fun. Yeah. But I will say piggybacking on this story, Um,

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Speaker 1: the eighties and um, very very eighties show, and the

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Speaker 1: that the one like the Lotus is free? Yeah? Well

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, the Risky Business car. Okay, I never saw

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Speaker 1: that movie. Oh really, yeah, dude, you need to see

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Speaker 1: Risky Business. Great movie. IM I've got a list going.

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Speaker 1: It's really good. It's really good. But anyway, the nine

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Speaker 1: wonder what you could get eighties fo I bet it's

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Speaker 1: not that much. And it looked it up how much?

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Speaker 1: Well there was a range like you can get one

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Speaker 1: or up to sixty grand for a cherry low mileage one. Right.

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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty much the same with all vincage cars.

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Speaker 1: are exactly what you would expect. That's funny. So we're

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Speaker 1: talking bras today. Obviously we just wanted to get rid

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Speaker 1: of anybody who might benefit from listening to this, so

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Speaker 1: we talked about portions and stuff. Yeah, so the bras,

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Speaker 1: the modern bra has only been around for about a

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Speaker 1: hundred and fifty years. And Dave makes a really good

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Speaker 1: point of the fact that this thing that's only been

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Speaker 1: of the most complicated garments in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, not necessarily in its designer manufacture, but

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Speaker 1: in its relation to society as a whole totally. So

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Speaker 1: you've got, um, apparently a completely and utter lack of bras.

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Speaker 1: But as women's ordered to play sports a little more,

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Speaker 1: a woman who invented the sports braw Um two women actually,

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Speaker 1: Like women were allowed to play sports. I think Title

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Speaker 1: But the fact is you couldn't play sports because there

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Speaker 1: the sports brawl was tantamount to introducing women in practice

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Speaker 1: I was hardened to see those that today apparently and

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Speaker 1: And so women have for a very long time had

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Speaker 1: And that's kind of led to this revolution in brawl

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Speaker 1: And I'm just glad for that. Yeah, me too. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The average American woman supposedly owns six bras. Um there

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Speaker 1: from a from a book called Uplift Colon the Bra

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Speaker 1: in America by Jane Farrell Beck and Colleen Gao, And

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Speaker 1: this sort of really pinpoints the um what you're trying

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Speaker 1: to get a great fit and one that really works

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Speaker 1: for everybody. Uh. Brasseries, Oh wait, braziers must do more

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Speaker 1: than fit a multitude of bodies. They must accommodate the

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Speaker 1: same body as it changes through the monthly cycle and

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Speaker 1: the life cycle. They must provide for movement of the

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Speaker 1: torso and arms in many directions without chafing or binding

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Speaker 1: without slipping out of position. And as if that were

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Speaker 1: not enough, braziers must retain their own structure throughout multiple

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Speaker 1: wearings and launderings, must not abraid in contact with clothing,

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Speaker 1: must remain as a rule, inconspicuous beneath the outer clothing

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Speaker 1: while harmonizing with a desired silhouette, and must be priced

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Speaker 1: to sell to many customers. There's no wonder that hundreds

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Speaker 1: says at all, It really does. It is a lot

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Speaker 1: more complicated than say, boxer shorts. Yeah, those are easy.

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Speaker 1: So um, there's also a lot of money to be

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Speaker 1: as a result, about six million of them mermaid every year. Um,

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Speaker 1: there's about twenty six thousand different bra patterns in existence.

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Speaker 1: When you said twenty different styles, that's like racer back

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Speaker 1: or demi cup. That like large category of brawl as

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Speaker 1: And then from what I've seen, there's virtually an equal

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Speaker 1: purchasing too. From what I'm seeing, it's like not the

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Speaker 1: new favorite. Yeah, did you uh? Did you have any

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Speaker 1: flashbacks of young Josh while you were researching this? So

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Speaker 1: like Sears catalog type of stuff, practicing, practicing unhooking bras

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Speaker 1: by wearing them myself, or simply you know, the eighties

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Speaker 1: was a generally more naive moment in time before the internet,

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Speaker 1: Like se seeing a lady in a bra leaning against

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Speaker 1: a tree was a pretty big deal. Yes, well should

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Speaker 1: we should we take a break and then dive into

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Speaker 1: the history. Yeah, let's let's I think it's a good idea. Okay,

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Speaker 1: we'll be right back with the history of the brasserie

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Speaker 1: right after this. Well, now we're on the road, Ivan

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Speaker 1: in your truck. Want to learn a thing or two

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Speaker 1: from Josh can Chuck you should know, all right? Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: as everybody knows, there was a battle between Otto von

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Speaker 1: and is um the great Bette Midler instructed all of

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Speaker 1: us we know who won that battle because we all

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Speaker 1: you wear a Brazier, not a Titsling. Was that a

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Speaker 1: a designer who is an avant garde designer named Rudy

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00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 1: gern Reich, and he came up with um, the no

425
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:22,919
Speaker 1: Bra in nineteen four, which is basically like what you

426
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: would consider a brawl today. It's it's meant to just

427
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: kind of be there and be supportive, but also kind

428
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 1: of fade into the background, which huh, like a quiet

429
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: friend exactly. Um. But that's like the antithesis of the

430
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: torpedo or bullet brawl, which was would take your eye

431
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: clean out if you got too close to it. But

432
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: this is you can kind of see like we've gone

433
00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: from twenties where boy form was or boiche form was

434
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 1: all the rage and to the exact opposite, to back

435
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 1: to the twenties, and then it kind of swung back

436
00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: toward you know, um, large busty, popping out kind of

437
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: thing even more than before. Whereas because that was not

438
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: covered by a sweater which torpedoes, that was all about

439
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: accentuating the boobs upward and to the left. Um. And

440
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: then the wonder Bra kind of really helped move that along.

441
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: And what was really interesting is I remember when the

442
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: Wonder Bral came out in America, it was in the nineties,

443
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 1: But it turns out that in the far off land

444
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: of Canada it had been invented thirty years before. It

445
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: just took thirty years to get down to America and

446
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: become poverty. Isn't that weird? Yeah, that is totally weird.

447
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: And Canadians are too nice to insist, like, by the way,

448
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: we have a better bra up here, right, And then

449
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:45,959
Speaker 1: now things have swung back again to where they're like,

450
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: do you even need a bra? And a lot of

451
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: people are like, I don't think you do. It's kind

452
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: of a personal preference. Yeah, it certainly can be. But

453
00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: also I think there's still very much a stigma. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

454
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: it's true. There's just no arguing that right now. No.

455
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean, if you go, if you're a woman and

456
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: you go waltzing into a conference meeting at your business

457
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: and your and you're not wearing a bra, then someone's

458
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 1: going to say something. I guarantee you exactly. Yes. But

459
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: I think also even if you even if somebody didn't

460
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: say something, or it was okay with everybody else, from

461
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: what I can tell, there's a certain psychological um security

462
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: blanket aspect to wearing a brawl. If that's what you've

463
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: been raised to do to wear a bra, and to

464
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: not do that would take a real psychological shift in

465
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: how you feel and how how secure you feel without it.

466
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 1: And I was reading about training bras because I didn't

467
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: feel like I was enough of a creep as it

468
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: is you're like boy. But from what I was reading

469
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: about training bras, they even if the the girl doesn't

470
00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: need a brawl yet for any real purpose, it provides

471
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: like some kind of psychological thing that they're like, Okay,

472
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm keeping up with my peers who actually be or

473
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to like the eighth grade dance or probably

474
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: say sixth grade dance or something, and I want to

475
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: wear this dress, but it's gonna look weird if I'm

476
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: not wearing a bra. So I need a brawl so so.

477
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,719
Speaker 1: And I think that kind of psychology continues on well

478
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: into adulthood too, so that it would be weird, feel

479
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: weird to not wear a bra if that's what you've

480
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: done your whole life. Yeah, And I think it also

481
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: has to do with your comfort level with your with

482
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,959
Speaker 1: your breast siye um, you know, not to get too personal,

483
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: but like if I had a dime for every time

484
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Emily was like, you gotta go get the delivery food

485
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: at the door because I'm not wearing a bra um

486
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: and you know, Emily has bigger boobs. So there I

487
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: said it. She might be more comfortable if she had

488
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: smaller breasts. Um, but I don't know. I'm gonna go

489
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: home and ask her. Though, Okay, I feel like we should,

490
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: um sit in silence for five minutes. So you mentioned

491
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: maiden form. Uh, well, we'll get to this later. But

492
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: they were um they were founded in nine by William

493
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: and Ida Rosenthal, who invented or introduced at least the

494
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: letter based cup sizing system. But um, we'll get to

495
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: that weird bit of voodoo in a minute, because I

496
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: still have no idea what's going on there. But in

497
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: actually it wasn't. In a year from nineteen sixty three

498
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: they had a very very successful print ad campaign called

499
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: I Dream, which you can go look up online, and

500
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: these ads which were very racy at the time. Of course,

501
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: we're women doing things topless with just their bra on.

502
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 1: They would have on like a regular uh skirt that

503
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: you would wear in that era, but no top, no blouse,

504
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: and that they were dreaming. One lady was dreaming of

505
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: being a firefighter and she was fighting fighting a fire

506
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: with with no shirt on. Or um I dreamed I

507
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: went back to school in my maiden form, Bra, and

508
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: it's a woman in her brought a grammar school desk.

509
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: Or I dreamed I won the election in my maiden

510
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: form Bra. She's taking the stage on election night. And

511
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: beyond these being and old advertisements are all funny and

512
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 1: awful in every way, but beyond this being funny and awful,

513
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: it truly is kind of gross that what they're showing

514
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: are things that are dreams for these women, like having

515
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 1: a regular job and things that they may not have

516
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: been allowed to do at the time. Yeah. So but

517
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: in at the time, like, yes, they were trying to

518
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: sell their brawls, and yes the there was like a

519
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: certain amount of sex appeal to the whole campaign. But

520
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: in their defense, like this is a very like progressive,

521
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: liberating ad campaign. It was conceived by three women. Yeah,

522
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,000
Speaker 1: and on one hand, and also it's not like they

523
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: were like ha ha, you couldn't possibly hold public office

524
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: because you're a woman. It was like like it was

525
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: showing that women dream of this kind of stuff, that

526
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: they want to do this kind of thing, and that

527
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: at least in their dreams, they're capable of doing this,

528
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: rather than we can't even talk about that. It's so preposterous,

529
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 1: we couldn't even possibly create an ad campaign. So it

530
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: was kind of like progressive in that sense. It's in

531
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: retrospect that it's really cringe e. But really what you're cringing,

532
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: It's not like maiden Form was making fun of women

533
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: for not being able to to do these things. It's

534
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: more an indictment of society for them being restricted from

535
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: these things at the time. Yeah, that that's This is

536
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 1: one of these definitely where you could come at it

537
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: from a lot of angles and have opinions about it. Um,

538
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: but we should read they had a contest in uh

539
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: with the public about new dream ideas and the winner

540
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: from ninety seven and Dave God bless you for finding

541
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: this was I dreamed I danced the hornpipe with Sindbad

542
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 1: the sailor. Don't you know what that means? That's another

543
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 1: thing you can approach from a bunch of different angles.

544
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: I think we should approach a message break and then

545
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: we'll talk about the the wacky world of brass eyzing

546
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:37,719
Speaker 1: right after this. Well, now we're on the road driving

547
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: in your Chuck, want to learn a thing or two

548
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: from Josh can Chuck. It's stuff you should know, all right,

549
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: all right, Chuck. So, one thing that I've read is

550
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 1: that American braws don't fit um and that there's a

551
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: reason for that, something like there's a statistic that of women,

552
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: American women at least are wearing brawls that don't fit.

553
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: And supposedly that's kind of made up and based on

554
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: anecdotal evidence, but it's been bandied about for so long

555
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: that people take it as gospel. But regardless of whatever

556
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: the statistic may or may not be, American braws are

557
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: known for not fitting. And it's because American bra manufacturers

558
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 1: have basically said, we've created this standard measuring scale and

559
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 1: it just as economically efficient for us to mass produce

560
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, this size to this size, and if you

561
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: happen to fall outside of that size, your s O

562
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 1: L and it's your fault. There's something wrong with your

563
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: body for not adhering to the standard norm body size norm.

564
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 1: This is largely becoming a relic of the past, but

565
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: it's still from what I can tell, very much present.

566
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: When you go braw shopping. Yeah, and and you know,

567
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: I've I've heard this plaint from Emily over the years,

568
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: and uh and a lot of women that, yeah, it's

569
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: tough to find a braw that really fits well and

570
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: feels good and does everything it's supposed to do. And

571
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: then that's why when you find one, you know, you

572
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: order like six of them. But there are these days

573
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: before we get into the sizing. UM that is changing

574
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: some now with these more bespoke companies UM that have

575
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: more custom custom made, tailored to your size kind of things.

576
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: And I wonder why it took that long for someone

577
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 1: to think outside the box and challenge, challenge big brazier

578
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: and say, hey, you're doing it wrong. I bet there's

579
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,120
Speaker 1: a lot of money to be made from bespoke braziers. Yeah,

580
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 1: from what I understand, there is. And although it's just

581
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,920
Speaker 1: now happening in the US, apparently it happened I believe

582
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: back in the nineties in the UK with UM a

583
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: movement called braw fitting one word, where it's basically like, look,

584
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: two measurements is not enough to to create a perfect brawl.

585
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: You need a bunch of different measurements under different conditions.

586
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: You need to take your shirt and brawl all the

587
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: way off. We need to get in there and um,

588
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: but when we're done, you're going to have a well

589
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: fitting brawl. And it's just now catching on in the

590
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 1: United States. And what's surprising is that you know it's

591
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: just now catching on. But this, this technique in the

592
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 1: sizing standard that we use here in the United States,

593
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: goes back to the I think the twenties, if not

594
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: the thirties. Yeah, yeah, is when they found it made

595
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: in for him and introduced this cup sizing. And I'm

596
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: not going to pretend to fully understand this, but I

597
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: can read, Oh you got it. Yeah, yeah, you go ahead,

598
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 1: though I want to hear your too. No, no, no,

599
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: because that when what will happen is I'll read and

600
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 1: then you'll do it again in your own words. And

601
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: then this episode is fifteen minutes longer than it should be.

602
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: All Right, you got my number, and my number happens

603
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: to be thirty four. See. So the cup system is

604
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 1: what it's called. It consists of two measurements and the

605
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: difference between them. So the first measurement is the overbust,

606
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: which is the circumference of your chest all the way

607
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: around your body across the nipples. That's your overbust measurement, right, Okay, Now,

608
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: if you'll also measure right below the breasts all the

609
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: way around your body, that's your underbust. And if you

610
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: subtract those two, you're going to come up with a

611
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: difference in inches or centimeters depending on where you are

612
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: in the world. And you can use that as part

613
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: of a handy table to say, oh, there's a three

614
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: inch difference. That means that I'm a C cup, right,

615
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: because that's where the letter comes from. Right. The difference

616
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: between your underbust and your overbust generates some knowledge about

617
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: the volume that your breasts are going to take up,

618
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: which is your cup size. Generates knowledge exactly, so that

619
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: underbust measurement is also used. And the that's the number

620
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 1: that comes before it. So if you're a thirty four C,

621
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: that means your chest is thirty four inches around at

622
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: the rib cage under your breasts. And then if you're

623
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: a C that means that there's a three inch difference.

624
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: That means that you are thirty seven inches around your

625
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: chest at the nipples, and so you'd be a thirty

626
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: four C and that those two measurements are supposedly like

627
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: all you need to come up with a fitting braw

628
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 1: but apparently that's just not true. Yeah, I mean that

629
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: all makes sense. Um. I think the thing that confused

630
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: me is the sister sizing. I understand that too. Thing.

631
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: Uh So if you have a thirty six C and

632
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: a thirty four C brazier, that's not the same cup

633
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: size because a thirty four C is the only true C.

634
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: So if you want to go up a band size

635
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: but not the cup size, you buy a thirty six

636
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: B or thirty eight A. So the volume of the

637
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: cup size is relative to this or conference of the band. Yeah.

638
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's as simple as that. I think the

639
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: problem the breakdown is is that this sister sizing thing

640
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: has not been widely publicized to women, and so that

641
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,760
Speaker 1: they think like, well, if the band is a little

642
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 1: tight and I'm a thirty six C, that I need

643
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: to go up to a thirty eight C. And that's

644
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: just not the case. Yeah. In music, you want to

645
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 1: type band and braziers you don't. Well, Supposedly, part of

646
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: that brofitting trend that started in the UK is that

647
00:39:30,600 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: UM suggests that the tight band is the key to

648
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: a good fitting brawl, that that's where most of your

649
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: support comes, and that most women opt for a band

650
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 1: size that's a little too loose. But the point is

651
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: your cup volume does not go up when you go

652
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 1: up a band size. It doesn't have to. So that

653
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: means that a thirty four C, if you go down

654
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: and band size, you would go up and cup size

655
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 1: and your cup size would stay the same. So the

656
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: thirty four C is the same as the thirty two D,

657
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: and then the other way, a thirty four C is

658
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: the same as the thirty six B. And once you

659
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: understand the sister sizing thing, then you can actually use

660
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: this two measurement standard to find a brawl that actually

661
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: fits better. That's right. And if you're wondering how this

662
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: all works, it works with uh with bra fitting models.

663
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 1: There are women that get paid money to go in

664
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: and get fit for thousands and thousands of bras and

665
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: to give feedback. And this all start well, didn't completely

666
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 1: start there, but in the nineteen seventies there was a

667
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: singer named Dorothy Gallaghan from New York answered an ad

668
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: for brofitting model and they said, you know what, I

669
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: know this sounds sexist, and we probably even though it's

670
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 1: the seventies. Shouldn't be saying this in an office, but

671
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: you have the perfect thirty four B s and that's

672
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: the standard size which we're designing our bras on. So

673
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 1: for almost twenty years, Dorothy Gallaghan was the model in

674
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: New York in the Lingerie district that would work ten eleven,

675
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 1: twelve hour days trying on thousands and thousands of bras

676
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 1: and giving her feedback so they could go back to

677
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: the sewing machine and redo it. Yeah, because that's the

678
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,399
Speaker 1: other part of the problem with bras that don't necessarily fit,

679
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: in addition to not making larger sizes and cup volumes

680
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: and smaller sizes and cup volumes like they're based around

681
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: one woman's pair of breasts, and her breasts became the

682
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: standard for the brawl industry in the twentieth century, so

683
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: that if you have if you could create a bra

684
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: that fit Dorothy Gallaghan correctly as a thirty or four B,

685
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: you could use that to basically grow out from either way.

686
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: That's right. So that's a that's a real problem for

687
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: women who have different shapes and sizes, and it's really

688
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: sad to me to think that they were told for

689
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: decades that you know, if you're broad doesn't fit, it's

690
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: something something's wrong with your body. Not exactly. Well, here's

691
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: the thing too, it's not just breast size. It's that

692
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 1: you know, how how how big your back is and

693
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: how like the braw it holds the breast the cups do.

694
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 1: But you know, it has to do with your shoulders

695
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: in your back and your armpits and everything else. Like

696
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 1: there's so many nuances to everybody's body, men and women

697
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: that I mean, I think until recently they were trying

698
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 1: to do the best they could, but it was pretty narrow, uh,

699
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: the options that women had. Yeah, I get the impression

700
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: that they were not trying to do the best that

701
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: they could. That they basically said, when we release a

702
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: new brawl, it comes in these sizes, Well, doing the

703
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 1: best they could for a huge industry that had to satisfy,

704
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 1: you know, tens of millions of different kind of bodies,

705
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: Like they were kind of hand strung. You can't have

706
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: FO fifty brass sizes and manufacture on that scale. Yeah,

707
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 1: you can't mask manufacture. But I think that's what's being proven,

708
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 1: Like you're saying, by this new bespoke revolution and you

709
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 1: just you can't get that big, although now you can

710
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: get that big because it's a bespoke and because you

711
00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: can say, hey, uh, download our app and take these

712
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,720
Speaker 1: measurements using your phone and upload it and then we'll

713
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 1: just custom make some braws for you. And I also

714
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: read that um Poland makes really really good fitting braws

715
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: as well. I read it. I think it was a

716
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: New York Times article about interesting and the author traveled

717
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: to Poland to verify this herself, and she said she

718
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: didn't find the perfect brawl, but she came away with

719
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: like four or five bras that were awfully close, way

720
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: closer than she'd ever had before. It's funny, after all

721
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 1: these years, I still remember to not put a bra

722
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: in a dryer because of the movie had big in

723
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 1: the angry inch. I don't remember that part now. I

724
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: never thought that's why I don't remember that. It's great

725
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 1: John Cameron Mitchell, who also a friend of Movie Crush.

726
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 1: He's a friend of Knowles. He played head Vig and

727
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,439
Speaker 1: you know, created the character and directed the film. But

728
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: there's a scene where he's uh, he's screaming, do not

729
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: put a bra and a dryer. It's warps And I

730
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: guess that's true, because ever since then I've been like,

731
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: I don't know. If I'm doing laundry, I should not

732
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: put a braw in a dryer. It does do some

733
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 1: weird things to it. Although you can also put it

734
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: in a laundry bag, and I think that keeps it

735
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,359
Speaker 1: from like wrapping around stuff, which makes it a lot

736
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: lasts longer. You can't put it in a dryer. Oh right, yeah,

737
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: like when a bra like collects everything else in its wake. Exactly. Yeah, So, um,

738
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: I don't think we can not talk about Victoria's Secret. Man,

739
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: if I had a dime for every time you said

740
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 1: that to me, or is many dumb, dumb guys call

741
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: it Victoria's Secrets? Yeah, dummies. So Victoria's Secret actually started

742
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: out husband and wife um founded it in the seventies

743
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,439
Speaker 1: in the San Francisco area because the husband had gone

744
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,840
Speaker 1: to like the department store to buy laundry for his

745
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: wife and was treated like a scale for it. Right,

746
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: even in San Francisco in the seventies, I guess, so,

747
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,080
Speaker 1: all right, department stores have always been a certain way

748
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: no matter where you're right, So he said, well, we

749
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: need to create like a lingerie store that's made for

750
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 1: men to go by for women, and that's what they created,

751
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: was Victoria's Secret, and um it was semi successful. And

752
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: then they sold to a guy named Leslie Wexman. I

753
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: believe it was Wexman who had founded the limited and

754
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: um he turned he took it. I think he bought

755
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: it for a million dollars and within two decades it

756
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: was worth two billion dollars. And um, the guy who

757
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,280
Speaker 1: founded it with his wife, they ended up getting divorced

758
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: and he he um died, broke and jumped from the

759
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: Golden gate Bridge. Sadly enough. Wow, But Victoria's Secret dominated

760
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: the um the braw industry in the United States for many,

761
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: many decades until very recently when it was overthrown by

762
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: women who said enough, well it's funny, you know. Roy

763
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 1: Raymond said, you know what we need is a store

764
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: where men can go in and buy sexy lingerie for

765
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: their wives. And what he failed to hear was the

766
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: sound of tens of millions of women across the country saying, no,

767
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: you don't right. Well, that's what that's what um, Leslie,

768
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 1: I think it's Wexman. That's what he figured out was

769
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,359
Speaker 1: that this this thing was a good idea, but they

770
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,800
Speaker 1: had missed the mark and that they were marketing towards

771
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: men and they were completely isolating women because he said,

772
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: like these Victorious secret stores were lit with like, you know,

773
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 1: weird kind of reddish lighting and there were velvet couches

774
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: and oriental rugs. And he said it wasn't this was

775
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:35,399
Speaker 1: like in the in the early seventies and or late

776
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 1: seventies and early eighties. Yeah, that's what I'm talking, Okay,

777
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: all right, So he said, man, I would have loved

778
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: to seen this. He said, they were they were Victorian,

779
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: not like a Victorian um uh foyer. They were like

780
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: a Victorian brothel basically, and it was like just chasing

781
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: women away, attracting men, but women by you know, underwear

782
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: for themselves way more than their husbands do. And so

783
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: he kind of revamped it a little bit and turned

784
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 1: it into something that women felt comfortable and actually wanted

785
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: to go into. Yeah, it's interesting. According to that book

786
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: Uplift that we mentioned earlier, Uh, despite Victoria's Secret in

787
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: its history, UH, women have really been key to the

788
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: development of bras in the United States. I think over

789
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 1: twelve hundred u S patents have been awarded for braws

790
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: between eighteen sixty three and nineteen sixty nine, and half

791
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: of those have been held by women. And in the industry, uh,

792
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: they have always held pretty important positions and been well

793
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: regarded designers and managers, UM specialists, merchandizing, UM, promotional product managers.

794
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 1: It is one industry where it seems that has not

795
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: been Here's a product for women run entirely by men,

796
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:54,240
Speaker 1: and rightfully so I would say, yeah, absolutely so. UM.

797
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: There is also a very famous legend as far as

798
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: Bras go, which is the burning of Bras at night demonstration. No,

799
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: it's a myth. There was. There was, in fact a

800
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: demonstration outside of Miss America pageant in Atlantic City in night.

801
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: It was the brainchild of Carol hannish Um who helped

802
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: basically at this moment give birth to the second wave feminism.

803
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 1: And they actually had a trash can that said freedom

804
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: trash can and women threw stuff into it that they

805
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: considered like shackles of the patriarchy, like false eyelashes, bras lingerie,

806
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. But there was no burning. That

807
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: came from a reporter who suggested that they burn it

808
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 1: as a nod to the burning of draft cards, but

809
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 1: no one actually burned this stuff, but it became kind

810
00:48:44,560 --> 00:48:47,759
Speaker 1: of set in stone as is true, even though it

811
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: really wasn't. That's right, big fat. And then lastly, chuck, i'

812
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: got one extra thing. You're ready? Ready? Do you have

813
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,760
Speaker 1: anything else? I don't? Do you need to are a brawl?

814
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: It's a long standing question and apparently the answer is no,

815
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: at least as far as a study in France, a

816
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: fifteen year study of three women I think they are

817
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: aged eighteen to thirty five, and the study found that

818
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: women who did not wear bras developed more muscle muscle

819
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: tissue in their breasts, ostensibly to provide support that the

820
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: brawl wasn't there to provide, and that by proxy, if

821
00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:35,280
Speaker 1: you did wear a brawl, your muscle or the muscles

822
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: in your breasts were less prone to develop and thus

823
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 1: you would have um more likely to have breasts that

824
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: sag or pendulouar breasts than you would have if you

825
00:49:44,840 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: didn't wear a brawl, kind of like you're making your

826
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: breast sink or swim by not wearing a braw. So

827
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: it's just one study, but it is pretty pretty um

828
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: surprising that they found basically the opposite of conventional wisdom,

829
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,400
Speaker 1: because most people say if you don't wear braw, your

830
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:04,360
Speaker 1: breast will get saggy, and that's apparently not true. Interesting,

831
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 1: And I also ran across a weird question on Google.

832
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: You know it has like suggested searches what happens if

833
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 1: we squeeze breast? I don't know. I didn't even bother

834
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: to look. Just the question itself was good enough. Oh man,

835
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:26,279
Speaker 1: do you got anything else? I got nothing else. What

836
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 1: about the bro or the man's ear? Oh yeah, I

837
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: can't forget the brou Well, since we said bro, it's

838
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:38,919
Speaker 1: time for listener mail everybody. I'm gonna call this more

839
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: on the days. Hey, guys, love the show. Thanks for

840
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: all you do. It's especially meaningful in these crazy times.

841
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 1: I'm currently hanging out in northern Japan on a trip

842
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: that changed from a between chops snowboarding sabbatical in December. Too. Well,

843
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: I guess I live here for now, so you're bating.

844
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 1: This is not a bad place to be. I would

845
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: imagine it's good for you, Adam. I'm sure you guys

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Speaker 1: get a tumul got a ton of similar emails to this,

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Speaker 1: But in the day's episode you mentioned the type of

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Speaker 1: toilet with a sink sprayer attachment nearby, and my experience

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Speaker 1: this is a super common thing in households and many

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Speaker 1: lower budget hotel accommodations in the Philippines and other Southeast

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Speaker 1: Asian countries. It is awesome and commonly referred to as

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Speaker 1: the bum gun by foreign travelers and expats. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the etymology of bum gun, so I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: if that term has been adopted domestically in various bum

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Speaker 1: a gun enthusiast countries. But like one ring or Spidy's abilities,

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Speaker 1: that has great power and must be wielded carefully. So

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Speaker 1: bum gun wisely, my friends, that is from Adam takes

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Speaker 1: a lot Adam uh and best of luck to you

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Speaker 1: in your new home. Uh. Hang tight, buddy, things will

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Speaker 1: pass eventually. If you want to get in touch with

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Speaker 1: us like Adam did and talk about bum guns or

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