WEBVTT - Todd Bowles, Kevin O'Connell & Ben Johnson Talk Aaron Glenn & More (4/8) 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.560 Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. I Eat, Breathe, and 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:05.840 Sleep the New York Jets. My team that is a 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.480 tightrope walk across Niagara Falls. That's hard to. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.200 Do, say name of inches, So finding that one little 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.360 inch to be successful, it all matters. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.639 The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendra Scott, the 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.080 jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good. Shop Game 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:23.120 Day Ready, jewelry styles and so much more at kendrascott 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:23.759 dot com. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:27.080 Welcome into a special installment of the Official Jets Podcast. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.680 I'm Erica all and we recently made a trip down 0:00:29.720 --> 0:00:33.839 to South Florida for the twenty twenty five NFL Annual 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.839 League Meeting. Hope you've had a chance to enjoy our 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:42.640 conversations with both head coach Aaron Glenn and GM Darren Moujie. 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.560 What we're gonna do today is dive into their backgrounds 0:00:46.600 --> 0:00:50.480 a little bit. With three head coaches Buccaneers head coach 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:54.760 Todd Bowles, Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell, and Bear's head 0:00:54.800 --> 0:00:58.120 coach Ben Johnson, there are a lot of connections here. 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.320 Bowls of former Jets head coach, which himself was a 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:04.640 position coach of Glenn's with the Jets in two thousand 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.959 and the Cowboys in two thousand and five, two thousand 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:11.080 and six. O'Connell, a Jets quarterback in two thousand and 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.560 nine twenty ten, was part of a quarterback room at 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:19.880 San Diego State that included Mougie and ink Strand and 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:25.200 Ben Johnson, the Lions' former offensive coordinator, was just in 0:01:25.280 --> 0:01:29.160 Detroit with not Elie Glenn, but ang Strand and new 0:01:29.240 --> 0:01:33.000 Jets old line coach Steve Heyden. So we visited with 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:37.320 each of them and we figured we'd share those as part. 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.080 Of a special podcast TV. 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.600 So great you been, to Eric, I've been great. I 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:44.960 got no complaints. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.880 What was your reaction when you had heard the Jets 0:01:48.880 --> 0:01:50.000 had hired everyone? 0:01:50.840 --> 0:01:52.920 I was so happy for him. I was so proud 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.880 of him. He's done a great job the past couple 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.600 of years coaching the Lions, and you could see it 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:59.760 in their play and I think he was a big 0:01:59.800 --> 0:02:01.680 part of the reason why they were successful. 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:03.680 All right, So let's go all the way back to 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:08.880 two thousand, because you don't a g for damn near 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.560 three decades. When he's in your room with the New 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:17.440 York Jets, and you're the secondary coach. What were those interactions? 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:17.600 Like? 0:02:19.120 --> 0:02:22.480 Very intelligent. It was my first NFL job actually, when 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.520 I came to the Jets in two thousand and it 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.519 was him and Ray Mickens and Marcus Coleman and Victor 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.840 Green and Chris Hayes and all those guys. So it 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.160 was very professional. He's very smart. He understood that. But 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:36.200 as a coach, I knew I just had to coach 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:38.680 ball and I had to overlook all that. But he 0:02:38.720 --> 0:02:41.360 was such a smart player and instinctive player, and he 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.359 studied profusely, and I think that's the reason why he's 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:45.240 a head coach today. 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:47.079 You're such an authentic guy. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:52.120 How intense was he and also can you talk about 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:54.840 ag maybe as a player, even being a straight shooter, 0:02:54.919 --> 0:02:56.200 or your communications with him. 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:57.520 As a player. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.760 He was so intense that if he gave up a 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:03.360 five hitching practice, he'd be pissed off. Everything he did 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.280 was trying to stop the ball or pick the ball 0:03:06.320 --> 0:03:10.040 off or stop the play. From his footwork to his angles, 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:12.640 to his tackling, to the way he dressed on the road. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:17.360 He was so professional. He was so intent on winning, 0:03:17.560 --> 0:03:20.520 and he was such a detailed guy. And I think 0:03:20.639 --> 0:03:23.120 that really carried over to everything he's doing today. 0:03:23.360 --> 0:03:25.919 Did you see that in him that, hey, maybe down 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:27.520 the line, this guy is going to be a coach 0:03:27.639 --> 0:03:29.959 or was it so early at that point we're talking 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:31.200 about twenty five years ago. 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.080 I think it was early. I knew how smart he was. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:35.840 It was just a matter if he wanted to coach. 0:03:36.000 --> 0:03:38.040 You know, he was so good at so many things 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:40.840 and so detailed that so many things. I think Aaron's 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:42.840 one of those guys that'll be successful no matter what 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:43.240 he did. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:48.120 So the second time around, you're in Dallas coaching the DBS. 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.440 So he comes to the Cowboys in two thousand and five. 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:56.280 What was that transition like for you guys? 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.080 He was a little older than Yeah, so he played 0:03:59.200 --> 0:04:02.520 nickel for me. He was my nickel corner, which is 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:05.280 just like a starter as well, because he was so smart. 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.800 We had Henry and Newman on the outside and he 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:09.440 went in on the inside. He did a hell of 0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:11.840 a job for us. And he was the same guy 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:14.520 that he was back in two thousand when he was 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:16.760 playing star corner for the Jets. 0:04:16.800 --> 0:04:19.800 So he was a little bit towards the end of 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.600 his career at that point, Yeah, did you use him 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.159 in terms of being like a mentor for your room? 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.320 As far as you know, he could be a second 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:29.120 teacher out here. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:32.160 It was naturally a mentor the way he prepared. Everybody 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:34.720 saw how he prepared. So Henry and Newman picked up 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.400 a ton of tips from this guy because what he 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.080 did and how he watched film taught those guys a 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:42.360 lot because they didn't know how to watch tape that well. 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.920 Okay, what was your reaction when you heard that he 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:48.840 was getting in a college scouty twenty twelve, twenty thirteen 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:49.560 with the Jets. 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.240 We talked about it and he wanted to try it 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:53.960 out and scout, and then he wanted to get on 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.400 the coaching side. So we had kept in touch over 0:04:56.440 --> 0:04:59.760 the years, very good friends, and you know, he wanted 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.000 to see what it was like and he got a 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:03.320 taste of it and everything else. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:04.240 Then he got into coaching. 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:07.000 How much do you think that background the scouting for 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:11.000 a couple of years will help him as he embarks 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.520 on this role with the Jets as being the head coach. 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:15.839 I think it'll help him a great deal. I started 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:17.960 out as a scout as well, so it helped me 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:20.400 a great deal because as a coach, when you're looking 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:22.880 at players now, you really don't know how to look 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:27.320 at offensive linemen or defensive linemen, especially coming in being 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.599 a dB coach. You can do that with the wide 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:31.520 else and the DBS to your eyes are closed, but 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.320 it teaches you a different perspective of what to look 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.520 for when you're looking for offensive linemen, so you have 0:05:36.640 --> 0:05:39.480 more input in the draft and when you're looking at 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:41.520 players on the road and not just relying on the 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:43.240 scouts because you were a scout yourself. 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.640 Can you speak to the influence that Bill Parcells had 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.880 on glind because he was one of your big time 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:50.760 teachers as well. 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:54.839 Bill has a huge impact on everybody, bhil Is. He 0:05:54.960 --> 0:05:57.560 does such a great job of teaching. It may be 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.040 hard teaching at the time or what you think. I 0:06:00.040 --> 0:06:02.680 think it's hard teaching, but it's really life lessons and 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.600 they apply to coaching, and Bill made sure he does 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.599 a good job of that. And believe me, anytime we 0:06:08.680 --> 0:06:10.880 mess up or he thinks we need something, you're gonna 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:12.800 get a text. Till this day, you're gonna get a 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.560 text or a phone call from him, and he's gonna just 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.919 drop a hint of wisdom and he's gonna let you 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.159 know and you can carry on and move on from there. 0:06:20.240 --> 0:06:22.719 But I think Bill was a big influence on him. 0:06:23.240 --> 0:06:26.440 As you saw Aaron rise throughout the coaching ranks. What 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:28.719 were communications like over the years. 0:06:29.680 --> 0:06:31.159 We talked a lot more when he was with the 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.160 Saints than we did the lines. He knew where I 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.720 was when he needed me, and he's a very smart guy. 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:38.839 You he doesn't need much talking to to figure it out. 0:06:38.880 --> 0:06:41.200 That's what I told him, and make the decisions on 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:43.120 his own. And he can figure all that stuff out 0:06:43.160 --> 0:06:45.640 because he's a very bright coach. He needs to talk, 0:06:45.720 --> 0:06:48.000 he nowhere to find me. But when we played against 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.080 each other a lot in the Saints, we would talk 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:51.120 defense a lot more. 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:54.560 Yeah, you've had a lot of success there with the Buccaneers. 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:56.839 Can you talk about some of your battles with ag 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:57.599 over the years. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.840 Oh, they were tough. Now he had that second Theary 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.400 in New Orleans. They were tough to throw on. We 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:05.920 had our battles and they was styning its quite a 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.720 few times, and we was styning them some of the time. 0:07:08.800 --> 0:07:11.600 But we always talked after the games, and you know, 0:07:11.680 --> 0:07:14.680 it was always mutual respect from that standpoint, and that 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:15.400 hasn't changed. 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:21.400 As a coach, he's stressing teaching and development that from 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:22.080 his staff. 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:23.280 That's what you have to be. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.320 You got to be first a teacher in that second, 0:07:26.480 --> 0:07:28.960 you got to be able to develop. Have you seen 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.000 that from him throughout his career so far? 0:07:31.400 --> 0:07:33.400 He's been great at it. He's been great at it. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.400 He can teach in such a unique way because he's 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.240 played it, so he understands it. He can teach, and 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:42.440 then he knows how to develop. He treats everybody individually 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:44.440 different and that's what you need to move on as 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:44.800 a coach. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:47.000 How much you think his experience in Detroit will help 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:49.640 him with the Jets in terms of he got in 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:53.440 a situation with Dan Campbell where they got a built 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:55.960 and now he's taken over a year one with the Jets. 0:07:56.280 --> 0:07:57.960 I mean it will help him a great deal. They 0:07:58.000 --> 0:07:59.840 started from the ground up when he went there with 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:02.200 the Detroit and he watched him go from a bad 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.440 team to a great team and he was a part 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.000 of that development, so he saw how it worked throughout 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.480 that structure. So I think that'll that don't help him 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:10.280 a great deal, does it? 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.880 Resonate with you your defensive background when he's asked, hey, listen, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.640 what's it gonna be like you were a defensive coach? 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:19.520 And he said, I just happened to coach on the 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:21.239 defensive side of the ball. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.400 I am a coach. That's what I am. That's what 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:24.239 we all are. 0:08:24.320 --> 0:08:26.760 But you know, they give us labels in this league, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:28.760 so you stop trying to defend it and you go 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.160 with it. But he's gonna be a great football coach. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:32.640 You're gonna be rooting for him. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:34.720 As always rooting for him. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:35.400 Thanks TV. 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:38.880 Yep, all right, So that was Todd Bowles, who coached 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.319 AG as a player at both the New York Jets 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:44.720 and with the Dallas Cowboys. But now we're gonna move 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:48.480 on to Kevin O'Connell. I'm connell play quarterback at San 0:08:48.520 --> 0:08:51.959 Diego State. He in fact shared a quarterback room in 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:56.240 two thousand and four with both Jets GM Darren Mugie 0:08:56.480 --> 0:08:59.439 and offensive coordinator Tanner Engstrand. 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:00.960 Let's get to KOs. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:04.360 Kevin great senior here at the NFL league meetings. 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.480 What are your memories with going back. 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.320 To your time with the Yeah, it was, you know, 0:09:09.360 --> 0:09:11.240 it was such a unique time in my career because 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.800 I had left New England and the next team that 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.000 you go to is the rival, the New York Jets, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.280 and so different, you know, the way, you know, the 0:09:19.280 --> 0:09:22.079 way Rex ran things and from what I had been 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.280 coming from in New England. But what it really was 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:28.079 was it allowed me to form some really unique relationships 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:34.480 Mark Sanchez, Nick Mangold, Jericho Cottrie, Dustin Keller. We had 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:37.920 some Thomas Jones, Ladanian, Tomlinson during my time there. I mean, 0:09:37.960 --> 0:09:40.360 I just look back on some of these, some of 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:42.280 these names that I still keep in touch with in 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.319 many ways to this very day, and guys that impacted 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:47.160 my football journey in. 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:49.560 Such a positive way that I owe. 0:09:50.080 --> 0:09:52.440 I owe those guys so much for for allowing me 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.720 to be comfortable sitting sitting right where I sit now 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.600 as a head coach in the National Football League, which 0:09:57.600 --> 0:09:59.920 I'm sure many of them are still scratching their heads about. 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:03.640 Hey, speaking of connections, let's go back to San Diego 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:04.800 State two thousand and four. 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.760 That quarterback room included. 0:10:07.360 --> 0:10:11.840 Kevin O'Connell, Yeah, Tanner Engstra and also Darren Mugie. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:13.920 Yep, unbelievable. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:18.520 And you know Darren and I you know legitimately have been, 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:22.440 you know, competing in many ways since you know, he 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.880 came into Sante State a year after me, Tanner was 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:28.439 a junior college transfer. And I think it's I think 0:10:28.480 --> 0:10:32.240 it's kind of appropriate, right the like how our coaching 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:35.680 journeys and and and Darren in the front office world, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.000 kind of how our journeys have went right, you know, 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:41.640 you I would have loved to be recruited by Pack 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:46.160 twelve schools and big schools, and I'm sure, you know, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.640 I'm sure Darren would have as well. And Tanner was 0:10:48.920 --> 0:10:52.000 a guy that went to junior the junior college route 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.760 and eventually walked on at San Diego State and earned 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.520 everything he's ever gotten. So what does he do as 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.080 a coach? What do I do as a coach? What 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:01.000 does Darren do as a front office guy? We go 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:03.040 in and we just go to work, you know, go 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.520 to work, put our heads down and learn and and 0:11:06.559 --> 0:11:09.920 do things with integrity, do things treating people. 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:10.440 The right way. 0:11:10.600 --> 0:11:13.559 And what comes out of it is like I look 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:17.040 at Darren, Moujie and Tanner instrands as guys that are 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.000 success stories, but nowhere near the finish line of where 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:25.040 their success ultimately will become because I think Darren's been 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:27.040 ready to be a GM now for a while. I've 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.240 been telling anybody that would listen about that and Tanner, 0:11:31.280 --> 0:11:34.640 I mean being around Ben, being around Ben Johnson and 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:37.679 that great offensive staff Dan Campbell as the head coach. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.640 Tanner's been primed working in the same staff as AG 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:46.400 for three four years now. I think it's set up 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:48.360 for Tanner to have success. I think it's set up 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.640 for Darren to you know, really run that show with 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:52.720 AG and shoot a lot of guys I have so 0:11:52.800 --> 0:11:55.800 much respect for and being a former jet I, you know, 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.079 and the fact that they're in the AFC, I can 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:00.360 be rooting for those guys more oftentimes and not. 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.400 Could you ever dream back in that situation that when 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.440 you guys are maybe going over some plays or watching 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.760 some tape, that you guys go. 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.120 And have this future success. No, No, I think we 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:12.520 were all. 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:14.880 You know, that was a long time ago. Now, I 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:16.920 mean I'm not the oldest guy in the world, but 0:12:17.559 --> 0:12:19.760 you know, two thousand and four, we're talking twenty one 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.880 years ago and a lifetime ago, it seems. But what 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.080 I can tell you is I can remember vividly thinking 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:32.760 that these guys are great people, great communicators, very smart, 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.360 and they both those guys were very talented as players. 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.800 But what's transcended all that or those other traits that 0:12:39.840 --> 0:12:43.840 have allowed them to really thrive in this second career, 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.320 if you want to call it that, And you know, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.760 in the most competitive landscape in the world, these guys 0:12:49.800 --> 0:12:54.120 are now one of thirty two offensive coordinators and general managers, 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:58.000 which is pretty spectacular considering that I also have become 0:12:58.000 --> 0:12:58.640 a head coach. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:01.840 So the impact now, So. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.120 Speaking of Mouge, you just said that you've been telling 0:13:05.120 --> 0:13:07.480 people that he's been ready to be. 0:13:07.440 --> 0:13:10.360 A gem for a while. Yeah, why did you say that? 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:15.080 For one, I just we've had some great conversations in 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.079 years past about you know, whether it's the draft process 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:25.120 more oftentimes than not combine participants. Hey, you know, here's 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.559 how I saw him on tape. And normally it's after 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:30.120 the draft, you know, where we're not sharing secrets before. 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.559 But hey, I really like this guy. I really like 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:34.920 this guy. Well, why well, when I was watching his tape, 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:37.320 I saw, you know, him run this route or he 0:13:37.400 --> 0:13:39.640 had this play in the red zone, and you start 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.400 to realize this guy knows ball and he knows, he 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.360 knows how to see it, he knows how to scout it. 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.040 He's got a great scouting background combined with working side 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.680 by side with some great people and John Elway and 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.120 Matt Russell and George Payton and all these guys that 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:58.360 really have primed him to now command and lead his 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:01.920 own scouting department and his own personnel department. So I've 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:04.520 been you know, if any coaches asked or any organizations 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.760 asked over the last couple of years, anybody any guys 0:14:07.760 --> 0:14:09.720 that I know out there that seem ready. Darren Mujib 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:11.600 was always one of the first names that I would say. 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.240 You're an outstanding play caller. What's this going to be 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.479 like for Tanner in year one of being a coordinate. 0:14:17.440 --> 0:14:20.080 Yeah, he's got a you know, there's gonna be some challenges, 0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:23.440 you know, no question going to a new place, and 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:26.480 so much of their success in Detroit that he was 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:29.080 heavily involved with, where with a lot of the same 0:14:29.120 --> 0:14:31.480 players in the same system, kind of growing there with 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.040 Ben over the course of some years, he's gonna have 0:14:35.080 --> 0:14:36.880 to build a system. He's gonna have to figure out 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.440 what the New York Jets want to be as an offense, 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:43.240 running the football, throwing the football situationally, and then build 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:46.320 foundational coaching points that they can hold those players too, 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:49.480 and and build around year in and year out, because 0:14:49.520 --> 0:14:52.760 you want it to be something that sustains. And you know, 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:55.320 that's the biggest thing about offensive football in the NFL 0:14:55.400 --> 0:14:58.680 is the challenges that come every single week. They can 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.680 be different, they can morph and changed throughout a season, 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.080 and you've got to find ways of being able to 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.000 adapt to that without changing who you are and not 0:15:08.040 --> 0:15:10.760 having an identity at all. And that's hard to do 0:15:10.840 --> 0:15:13.760 sometimes as an early, you know, early in your coordinator journey, 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.840 because you're trying to establish yourself. You're trying to make 0:15:15.880 --> 0:15:18.360 sure the stat sheet looks right, you're trying to make 0:15:18.400 --> 0:15:20.840 sure all that matters. And what he's got to remember 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:22.920 is all that matters is winning and the role that 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.520 he'll play as the offensive coordinator and helping get that done. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.240 Speaking of identity, let's get out of here with this one, 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.880 Aaron Glenn. Yeah, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:34.800 about your battles with him. No, man, what do you 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.960 think he's going to be like here at his next step? 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:38.480 Head coaches here so. 0:15:38.480 --> 0:15:40.040 Much so much respect for him. 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:43.080 Another guy talk about being primed and ready. He's been 0:15:43.360 --> 0:15:45.040 you know, he's been a guy that could have been, 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:47.680 you know, a head coach years years ago. 0:15:48.760 --> 0:15:49.880 What he did in Detroit. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.320 The way those guys played their grit, their play style, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.640 their toughness. I got guys that love football to all 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.480 play together is one unit. AG's got every quality that 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.600 that Jets fans would want in a head coach, and 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:05.440 he does it in a way that is so hymn. 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:08.360 It's so authentic, it's so real. You can't help but 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.400 gravitate towards that. I think the world of them. I've 0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.280 competed against him, I've coached with them on some staffs before. 0:16:15.640 --> 0:16:18.080 So happy for Ag. And he's a great person. He's 0:16:18.120 --> 0:16:20.400 a great man. He's made it the right made it 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.720 the right stuff to lead an organization. And I think 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.000 Jets fans are gonna love him. 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:26.280 Kayo. See, thanks so much, buddy, You got it man. 0:16:26.280 --> 0:16:27.440 Thank you, guys, great seeing you. 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.320 The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendra Scott, the 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.760 jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good. Shop Game 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:37.440 Day Ready, jewelry styles and so much more at Kendra 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:38.680 Scott dot Com. 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.640 Good stuff there from Kevin O'Connell. Let's stay in a 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:46.600 division though, And now we're gonna talk to Ben Johnson. 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:52.080 Johnson formally the Lions offensive coordinator. That's where Aaron Glenn 0:16:52.160 --> 0:16:54.560 is coming from. But not only just Aaron Glenn, but 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:59.720 Tanner Engstrand served as a passing game coordinator for bed 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:03.120 Jets in Detroit, and Steve Hyden was a tight ends 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:07.360 coach for Ben Johnson. He's coming over with AG. He's 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:10.480 gonna be the offensive line coach for the Jets. We 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:13.920 had a chance to talk to Ben about AG, Tanner 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.240 and Steve Hyden. What's this been like being here at 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.560 your first league meetings and not only yourself, but you 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.119 see Dan Campbell there at the NFC coach's breakfast, Aaron 0:17:25.160 --> 0:17:25.800 Glenn as well. 0:17:26.480 --> 0:17:30.199 It's been pretty cool. Both those guys I love, I 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:34.280 absolutely love. I've had the last four years with both 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.560 of them, and I respect the heck out of both 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:39.119 of them as well. So those two guys are studs. 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.280 They're both mentors to me. That's how I view it. 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:44.760 Their brothers to me, and so it's been pretty cool 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:48.760 over the last call it call it three days here 0:17:49.040 --> 0:17:49.520 to see. 0:17:49.359 --> 0:17:52.119 All of them. So what was that experience like for 0:17:52.160 --> 0:17:54.440 you in Detroit? Were you and Aaron. 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:58.600 Competing against each other, but also obviously you're collaborating as 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.480 well because you guys want the best for them. 0:18:01.600 --> 0:18:01.800 Yeah. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:06.119 Yeah, We always felt like his scheme evolved over the years. 0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:07.399 Over the last four years. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:10.320 It started one way and then ended up going a 0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:12.600 different direction each and every year, and so we always 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:15.879 felt like we were sharpening each other. He gave us 0:18:15.920 --> 0:18:18.000 all kinds of issues there in training camp that we 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:19.399 had to be aware of, but we were trying to 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:22.040 get our plays in and yet we knew that they 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.800 were to necessarily ideal for Ag and what he was doing, 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.359 and so there was a lot of back and forth. 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.840 And I knew early on last year that we had 0:18:29.840 --> 0:18:32.880 a different unit and they when they were healthy, they 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:35.200 were one of the best in the NFL. And and 0:18:35.640 --> 0:18:37.399 towards the end of the year there you saw the 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.840