1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. I Eat, Breathe, and 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Sleep the New York Jets. My team that is a 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,480 Speaker 1: tightrope walk across Niagara Falls. That's hard to. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 2: Do, say name of inches, So finding that one little 5 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: inch to be successful, it all matters. 6 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,639 Speaker 3: The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendra Scott, the 7 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 3: jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good. Shop Game 8 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,120 Speaker 3: Day Ready, jewelry styles and so much more at kendrascott 9 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 3: dot com. 10 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 4: Welcome into a special installment of the Official Jets Podcast. 11 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 4: I'm Erica all and we recently made a trip down 12 00:00:29,720 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 4: to South Florida for the twenty twenty five NFL Annual 13 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 4: League Meeting. Hope you've had a chance to enjoy our 14 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 4: conversations with both head coach Aaron Glenn and GM Darren Moujie. 15 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,560 Speaker 4: What we're gonna do today is dive into their backgrounds 16 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:50,480 Speaker 4: a little bit. With three head coaches Buccaneers head coach 17 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 4: Todd Bowles, Vikings head coach Kevin O'Connell, and Bear's head 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 4: coach Ben Johnson, there are a lot of connections here. 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 4: Bowls of former Jets head coach, which himself was a 20 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 4: position coach of Glenn's with the Jets in two thousand 21 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 4: and the Cowboys in two thousand and five, two thousand 22 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 4: and six. O'Connell, a Jets quarterback in two thousand and 23 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: nine twenty ten, was part of a quarterback room at 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 4: San Diego State that included Mougie and ink Strand and 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 4: Ben Johnson, the Lions' former offensive coordinator, was just in 26 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 4: Detroit with not Elie Glenn, but ang Strand and new 27 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: Jets old line coach Steve Heyden. So we visited with 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:37,320 Speaker 4: each of them and we figured we'd share those as part. 29 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: Of a special podcast TV. 30 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 2: So great you been, to Eric, I've been great. I 31 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: got no complaints. 32 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 4: What was your reaction when you had heard the Jets 33 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 4: had hired everyone? 34 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: I was so happy for him. I was so proud 35 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 2: of him. He's done a great job the past couple 36 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: of years coaching the Lions, and you could see it 37 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: in their play and I think he was a big 38 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: part of the reason why they were successful. 39 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 4: All right, So let's go all the way back to 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 4: two thousand, because you don't a g for damn near 41 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 4: three decades. When he's in your room with the New 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 4: York Jets, and you're the secondary coach. What were those interactions? 43 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: Like? 44 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: Very intelligent. It was my first NFL job actually, when 45 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: I came to the Jets in two thousand and it 46 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 2: was him and Ray Mickens and Marcus Coleman and Victor 47 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 2: Green and Chris Hayes and all those guys. So it 48 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: was very professional. He's very smart. He understood that. But 49 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 2: as a coach, I knew I just had to coach 50 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: ball and I had to overlook all that. But he 51 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: was such a smart player and instinctive player, and he 52 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 2: studied profusely, and I think that's the reason why he's 53 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: a head coach today. 54 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: You're such an authentic guy. 55 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 4: How intense was he and also can you talk about 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:54,840 Speaker 4: ag maybe as a player, even being a straight shooter, 57 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 4: or your communications with him. 58 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: As a player. 59 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: He was so intense that if he gave up a 60 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: five hitching practice, he'd be pissed off. Everything he did 61 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: was trying to stop the ball or pick the ball 62 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 2: off or stop the play. From his footwork to his angles, 63 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: to his tackling, to the way he dressed on the road. 64 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 2: He was so professional. He was so intent on winning, 65 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 2: and he was such a detailed guy. And I think 66 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 2: that really carried over to everything he's doing today. 67 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 4: Did you see that in him that, hey, maybe down 68 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 4: the line, this guy is going to be a coach 69 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,959 Speaker 4: or was it so early at that point we're talking 70 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: about twenty five years ago. 71 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 2: I think it was early. I knew how smart he was. 72 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: It was just a matter if he wanted to coach. 73 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: You know, he was so good at so many things 74 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 2: and so detailed that so many things. I think Aaron's 75 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 2: one of those guys that'll be successful no matter what 76 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: he did. 77 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 4: So the second time around, you're in Dallas coaching the DBS. 78 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 4: So he comes to the Cowboys in two thousand and five. 79 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 4: What was that transition like for you guys? 80 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 2: He was a little older than Yeah, so he played 81 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 2: nickel for me. He was my nickel corner, which is 82 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: just like a starter as well, because he was so smart. 83 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 2: We had Henry and Newman on the outside and he 84 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: went in on the inside. He did a hell of 85 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: a job for us. And he was the same guy 86 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: that he was back in two thousand when he was 87 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 2: playing star corner for the Jets. 88 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: So he was a little bit towards the end of 89 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 4: his career at that point, Yeah, did you use him 90 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 4: in terms of being like a mentor for your room? 91 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 4: As far as you know, he could be a second 92 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 4: teacher out here. 93 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,160 Speaker 2: It was naturally a mentor the way he prepared. Everybody 94 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 2: saw how he prepared. So Henry and Newman picked up 95 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 2: a ton of tips from this guy because what he 96 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: did and how he watched film taught those guys a 97 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,360 Speaker 2: lot because they didn't know how to watch tape that well. 98 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 4: Okay, what was your reaction when you heard that he 99 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 4: was getting in a college scouty twenty twelve, twenty thirteen 100 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: with the Jets. 101 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 2: We talked about it and he wanted to try it 102 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: out and scout, and then he wanted to get on 103 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 2: the coaching side. So we had kept in touch over 104 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 2: the years, very good friends, and you know, he wanted 105 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 2: to see what it was like and he got a 106 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 2: taste of it and everything else. 107 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: Then he got into coaching. 108 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: How much do you think that background the scouting for 109 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: a couple of years will help him as he embarks 110 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 4: on this role with the Jets as being the head coach. 111 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 2: I think it'll help him a great deal. I started 112 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 2: out as a scout as well, so it helped me 113 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 2: a great deal because as a coach, when you're looking 114 00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 2: at players now, you really don't know how to look 115 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 2: at offensive linemen or defensive linemen, especially coming in being 116 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 2: a dB coach. You can do that with the wide 117 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 2: else and the DBS to your eyes are closed, but 118 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: it teaches you a different perspective of what to look 119 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: for when you're looking for offensive linemen, so you have 120 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 2: more input in the draft and when you're looking at 121 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: players on the road and not just relying on the 122 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 2: scouts because you were a scout yourself. 123 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: Can you speak to the influence that Bill Parcells had 124 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 4: on glind because he was one of your big time 125 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 4: teachers as well. 126 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: Bill has a huge impact on everybody, bhil Is. He 127 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 2: does such a great job of teaching. It may be 128 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 2: hard teaching at the time or what you think. I 129 00:06:00,040 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: think it's hard teaching, but it's really life lessons and 130 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: they apply to coaching, and Bill made sure he does 131 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 2: a good job of that. And believe me, anytime we 132 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 2: mess up or he thinks we need something, you're gonna 133 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: get a text. Till this day, you're gonna get a 134 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: text or a phone call from him, and he's gonna just 135 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,919 Speaker 2: drop a hint of wisdom and he's gonna let you 136 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 2: know and you can carry on and move on from there. 137 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,719 Speaker 2: But I think Bill was a big influence on him. 138 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 4: As you saw Aaron rise throughout the coaching ranks. What 139 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 4: were communications like over the years. 140 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: We talked a lot more when he was with the 141 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 2: Saints than we did the lines. He knew where I 142 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 2: was when he needed me, and he's a very smart guy. 143 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: You he doesn't need much talking to to figure it out. 144 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 2: That's what I told him, and make the decisions on 145 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 2: his own. And he can figure all that stuff out 146 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 2: because he's a very bright coach. He needs to talk, 147 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: he nowhere to find me. But when we played against 148 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 2: each other a lot in the Saints, we would talk 149 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: defense a lot more. 150 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, you've had a lot of success there with the Buccaneers. 151 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: Can you talk about some of your battles with ag 152 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 4: over the years. 153 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: Oh, they were tough. Now he had that second Theary 154 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 2: in New Orleans. They were tough to throw on. We 155 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: had our battles and they was styning its quite a 156 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 2: few times, and we was styning them some of the time. 157 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: But we always talked after the games, and you know, 158 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 2: it was always mutual respect from that standpoint, and that 159 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: hasn't changed. 160 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 4: As a coach, he's stressing teaching and development that from 161 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 4: his staff. 162 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: That's what you have to be. 163 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: You got to be first a teacher in that second, 164 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 4: you got to be able to develop. Have you seen 165 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 4: that from him throughout his career so far? 166 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 2: He's been great at it. He's been great at it. 167 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 2: He can teach in such a unique way because he's 168 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: played it, so he understands it. He can teach, and 169 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: then he knows how to develop. He treats everybody individually 170 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 2: different and that's what you need to move on as 171 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: a coach. 172 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 4: How much you think his experience in Detroit will help 173 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 4: him with the Jets in terms of he got in 174 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: a situation with Dan Campbell where they got a built 175 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 4: and now he's taken over a year one with the Jets. 176 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: I mean it will help him a great deal. They 177 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: started from the ground up when he went there with 178 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 2: the Detroit and he watched him go from a bad 179 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 2: team to a great team and he was a part 180 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 2: of that development, so he saw how it worked throughout 181 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 2: that structure. So I think that'll that don't help him 182 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 2: a great deal, does it? 183 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 4: Resonate with you your defensive background when he's asked, hey, listen, 184 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 4: what's it gonna be like you were a defensive coach? 185 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: And he said, I just happened to coach on the 186 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,239 Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball. 187 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: I am a coach. That's what I am. That's what 188 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: we all are. 189 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: But you know, they give us labels in this league, 190 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 2: so you stop trying to defend it and you go 191 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 2: with it. But he's gonna be a great football coach. 192 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: You're gonna be rooting for him. 193 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:34,720 Speaker 2: As always rooting for him. 194 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Thanks TV. 195 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 4: Yep, all right, So that was Todd Bowles, who coached 196 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 4: AG as a player at both the New York Jets 197 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 4: and with the Dallas Cowboys. But now we're gonna move 198 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 4: on to Kevin O'Connell. I'm connell play quarterback at San 199 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 4: Diego State. He in fact shared a quarterback room in 200 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 4: two thousand and four with both Jets GM Darren Mugie 201 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,439 Speaker 4: and offensive coordinator Tanner Engstrand. 202 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: Let's get to KOs. 203 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 4: Kevin great senior here at the NFL league meetings. 204 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: What are your memories with going back. 205 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 5: To your time with the Yeah, it was, you know, 206 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 5: it was such a unique time in my career because 207 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 5: I had left New England and the next team that 208 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 5: you go to is the rival, the New York Jets, 209 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 5: and so different, you know, the way, you know, the 210 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 5: way Rex ran things and from what I had been 211 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 5: coming from in New England. But what it really was 212 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 5: was it allowed me to form some really unique relationships 213 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 5: Mark Sanchez, Nick Mangold, Jericho Cottrie, Dustin Keller. We had 214 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 5: some Thomas Jones, Ladanian, Tomlinson during my time there. I mean, 215 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 5: I just look back on some of these, some of 216 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 5: these names that I still keep in touch with in 217 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 5: many ways to this very day, and guys that impacted 218 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 5: my football journey in. 219 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: Such a positive way that I owe. 220 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 5: I owe those guys so much for for allowing me 221 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 5: to be comfortable sitting sitting right where I sit now 222 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 5: as a head coach in the National Football League, which 223 00:09:57,600 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 5: I'm sure many of them are still scratching their heads about. 224 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 4: Hey, speaking of connections, let's go back to San Diego 225 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 4: State two thousand and four. 226 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: That quarterback room included. 227 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 4: Kevin O'Connell, Yeah, Tanner Engstra and also Darren Mugie. 228 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: Yep, unbelievable. 229 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 5: And you know Darren and I you know legitimately have been, 230 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 5: you know, competing in many ways since you know, he 231 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 5: came into Sante State a year after me, Tanner was 232 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 5: a junior college transfer. And I think it's I think 233 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 5: it's kind of appropriate, right the like how our coaching 234 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 5: journeys and and and Darren in the front office world, 235 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 5: kind of how our journeys have went right, you know, 236 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 5: you I would have loved to be recruited by Pack 237 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 5: twelve schools and big schools, and I'm sure, you know, 238 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 5: I'm sure Darren would have as well. And Tanner was 239 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 5: a guy that went to junior the junior college route 240 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 5: and eventually walked on at San Diego State and earned 241 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 5: everything he's ever gotten. So what does he do as 242 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 5: a coach? What do I do as a coach? What 243 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 5: does Darren do as a front office guy? We go 244 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 5: in and we just go to work, you know, go 245 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: to work, put our heads down and learn and and 246 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 5: do things with integrity, do things treating people. 247 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: The right way. 248 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 5: And what comes out of it is like I look 249 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 5: at Darren, Moujie and Tanner instrands as guys that are 250 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 5: success stories, but nowhere near the finish line of where 251 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 5: their success ultimately will become because I think Darren's been 252 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 5: ready to be a GM now for a while. I've 253 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 5: been telling anybody that would listen about that and Tanner, 254 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 5: I mean being around Ben, being around Ben Johnson and 255 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 5: that great offensive staff Dan Campbell as the head coach. 256 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 5: Tanner's been primed working in the same staff as AG 257 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 5: for three four years now. I think it's set up 258 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 5: for Tanner to have success. I think it's set up 259 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 5: for Darren to you know, really run that show with 260 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,720 Speaker 5: AG and shoot a lot of guys I have so 261 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 5: much respect for and being a former jet I, you know, 262 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 5: and the fact that they're in the AFC, I can 263 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 5: be rooting for those guys more oftentimes and not. 264 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 4: Could you ever dream back in that situation that when 265 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 4: you guys are maybe going over some plays or watching 266 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 4: some tape, that you guys go. 267 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: And have this future success. No, No, I think we 268 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: were all. 269 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 5: You know, that was a long time ago. Now, I 270 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 5: mean I'm not the oldest guy in the world, but 271 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 5: you know, two thousand and four, we're talking twenty one 272 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 5: years ago and a lifetime ago, it seems. But what 273 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 5: I can tell you is I can remember vividly thinking 274 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 5: that these guys are great people, great communicators, very smart, 275 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 5: and they both those guys were very talented as players. 276 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 5: But what's transcended all that or those other traits that 277 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 5: have allowed them to really thrive in this second career, 278 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:46,320 Speaker 5: if you want to call it that, And you know, 279 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: in the most competitive landscape in the world, these guys 280 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 5: are now one of thirty two offensive coordinators and general managers, 281 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 5: which is pretty spectacular considering that I also have become 282 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 5: a head coach. 283 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 1: So the impact now, So. 284 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 4: Speaking of Mouge, you just said that you've been telling 285 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 4: people that he's been ready to be. 286 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: A gem for a while. Yeah, why did you say that? 287 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,080 Speaker 5: For one, I just we've had some great conversations in 288 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 5: years past about you know, whether it's the draft process 289 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 5: more oftentimes than not combine participants. Hey, you know, here's 290 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 5: how I saw him on tape. And normally it's after 291 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 5: the draft, you know, where we're not sharing secrets before. 292 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 5: But hey, I really like this guy. I really like 293 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 5: this guy. Well, why well, when I was watching his tape, 294 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 5: I saw, you know, him run this route or he 295 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 5: had this play in the red zone, and you start 296 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 5: to realize this guy knows ball and he knows, he 297 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 5: knows how to see it, he knows how to scout it. 298 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 5: He's got a great scouting background combined with working side 299 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 5: by side with some great people and John Elway and 300 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 5: Matt Russell and George Payton and all these guys that 301 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 5: really have primed him to now command and lead his 302 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 5: own scouting department and his own personnel department. So I've 303 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 5: been you know, if any coaches asked or any organizations 304 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 5: asked over the last couple of years, anybody any guys 305 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 5: that I know out there that seem ready. Darren Mujib 306 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 5: was always one of the first names that I would say. 307 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 4: You're an outstanding play caller. What's this going to be 308 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,479 Speaker 4: like for Tanner in year one of being a coordinate. 309 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a you know, there's gonna be some challenges, 310 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,440 Speaker 5: you know, no question going to a new place, and 311 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 5: so much of their success in Detroit that he was 312 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 5: heavily involved with, where with a lot of the same 313 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 5: players in the same system, kind of growing there with 314 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,040 Speaker 5: Ben over the course of some years, he's gonna have 315 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 5: to build a system. He's gonna have to figure out 316 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 5: what the New York Jets want to be as an offense, 317 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 5: running the football, throwing the football situationally, and then build 318 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 5: foundational coaching points that they can hold those players too, 319 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 5: and and build around year in and year out, because 320 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 5: you want it to be something that sustains. And you know, 321 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 5: that's the biggest thing about offensive football in the NFL 322 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 5: is the challenges that come every single week. They can 323 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 5: be different, they can morph and changed throughout a season, 324 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 5: and you've got to find ways of being able to 325 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 5: adapt to that without changing who you are and not 326 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 5: having an identity at all. And that's hard to do 327 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 5: sometimes as an early, you know, early in your coordinator journey, 328 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 5: because you're trying to establish yourself. You're trying to make 329 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 5: sure the stat sheet looks right, you're trying to make 330 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 5: sure all that matters. And what he's got to remember 331 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 5: is all that matters is winning and the role that 332 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 5: he'll play as the offensive coordinator and helping get that done. 333 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 4: Speaking of identity, let's get out of here with this one, 334 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 4: Aaron Glenn. Yeah, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask 335 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 4: about your battles with him. No, man, what do you 336 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 4: think he's going to be like here at his next step? 337 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 4: Head coaches here so. 338 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: Much so much respect for him. 339 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 5: Another guy talk about being primed and ready. He's been 340 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 5: you know, he's been a guy that could have been, 341 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 5: you know, a head coach years years ago. 342 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: What he did in Detroit. 343 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 5: The way those guys played their grit, their play style, 344 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 5: their toughness. I got guys that love football to all 345 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,480 Speaker 5: play together is one unit. AG's got every quality that 346 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 5: that Jets fans would want in a head coach, and 347 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 5: he does it in a way that is so hymn. 348 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 5: It's so authentic, it's so real. You can't help but 349 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 5: gravitate towards that. I think the world of them. I've 350 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 5: competed against him, I've coached with them on some staffs before. 351 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 5: So happy for Ag. And he's a great person. He's 352 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 5: a great man. He's made it the right made it 353 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 5: the right stuff to lead an organization. And I think 354 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 5: Jets fans are gonna love him. 355 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: Kayo. See, thanks so much, buddy, You got it man. 356 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: Thank you, guys, great seeing you. 357 00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 3: The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendra Scott, the 358 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 3: jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good. Shop Game 359 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 3: Day Ready, jewelry styles and so much more at Kendra 360 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: Scott dot Com. 361 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 4: Good stuff there from Kevin O'Connell. Let's stay in a 362 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 4: division though, And now we're gonna talk to Ben Johnson. 363 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 4: Johnson formally the Lions offensive coordinator. That's where Aaron Glenn 364 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,560 Speaker 4: is coming from. But not only just Aaron Glenn, but 365 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 4: Tanner Engstrand served as a passing game coordinator for bed 366 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 4: Jets in Detroit, and Steve Hyden was a tight ends 367 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 4: coach for Ben Johnson. He's coming over with AG. He's 368 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: gonna be the offensive line coach for the Jets. We 369 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 4: had a chance to talk to Ben about AG, Tanner 370 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: and Steve Hyden. What's this been like being here at 371 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 4: your first league meetings and not only yourself, but you 372 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 4: see Dan Campbell there at the NFC coach's breakfast, Aaron 373 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 4: Glenn as well. 374 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 6: It's been pretty cool. Both those guys I love, I 375 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 6: absolutely love. I've had the last four years with both 376 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 6: of them, and I respect the heck out of both 377 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 6: of them as well. So those two guys are studs. 378 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 6: They're both mentors to me. That's how I view it. 379 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 6: Their brothers to me, and so it's been pretty cool 380 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 6: over the last call it call it three days here 381 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:49,520 Speaker 6: to see. 382 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: All of them. So what was that experience like for 383 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 1: you in Detroit? Were you and Aaron. 384 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 4: Competing against each other, but also obviously you're collaborating as 385 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 4: well because you guys want the best for them. 386 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 387 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, We always felt like his scheme evolved over the years. 388 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,399 Speaker 1: Over the last four years. 389 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 6: It started one way and then ended up going a 390 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 6: different direction each and every year, and so we always 391 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 6: felt like we were sharpening each other. He gave us 392 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 6: all kinds of issues there in training camp that we 393 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 6: had to be aware of, but we were trying to 394 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 6: get our plays in and yet we knew that they 395 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 6: were to necessarily ideal for Ag and what he was doing, 396 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 6: and so there was a lot of back and forth. 397 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 6: And I knew early on last year that we had 398 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 6: a different unit and they when they were healthy, they 399 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 6: were one of the best in the NFL. And and 400 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 6: towards the end of the year there you saw the 401 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 6: attrition due to injuries kind of caught up with us 402 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 6: a little bit. But I thought AG did a heck 403 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 6: of a job all year long. Why do you think 404 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 6: he's ready for this opportunity right now? He's so unique 405 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 6: in terms of a communicator, all right, He's got such 406 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 6: a wealth of experience because obviously high level player when 407 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 6: he played, has the coaching aspect down pat but also 408 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 6: the scouting aspect of it down as well, because it's 409 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 6: very it's very rare that you see the trifecta like 410 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 6: that come together. He does all three at a high level. 411 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 6: He communicates the standard. The players will love him, and 412 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 6: yet they'll know that they're getting pushed and challenged every 413 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,880 Speaker 6: step of the way as well. And so it's been 414 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 6: fun to see the staff that he put together. I 415 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 6: think he's done a great job. I knew Steve Wolks 416 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 6: was going to be one of the guys there on 417 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 6: defense that he trusted. And then obviously I know Tanner 418 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 6: really well and I think the world of Tanner. 419 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 420 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 4: So Tanner it poised to be an offensive coordinator for 421 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:42,159 Speaker 4: the first time in the National Football League. He was 422 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 4: your passing game coordinator. Can you talk about the last 423 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 4: few years with him and his development? 424 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 6: Man, He's he was an integral part of what we 425 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 6: were doing there. I got to know him. It was 426 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 6: before Dan even took the job there in Detroit. I 427 00:19:56,760 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 6: think I think Tanner came on as a quality control 428 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 6: there the last year of Patricia and he had a 429 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 6: similar trajectory as I did. We just kind of climbed 430 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 6: the ladder the same way, starting low and then tight 431 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 6: end position and a passing game coordinator role. And so 432 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,600 Speaker 6: he and I have have a shared experience, a shared bond. 433 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: That way. 434 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 6: I leaned heavily into him the last two seasons. We 435 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,440 Speaker 6: had Johnny Morton who's now in Detroit as a coordinator 436 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 6: the first year that I was calling it, and Tanner 437 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 6: was the tight ends coach, and we ended up moving 438 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 6: him to passing game coordinator, effectively taking over for Johnny 439 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 6: mo And and he is completely ready for this next challenge. 440 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 6: He's called plays in his past, and so I think 441 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 6: each and every game when I was calling it, he 442 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 6: was doing the same thing in his own head. 443 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. 444 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 4: So what's it like taking on those responsibilities for the 445 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 4: first time as far as like in a game that 446 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 4: you're gonna be the guy weekend, week out. 447 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I think he's very similar to ag. He's 448 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 6: an excellent communicator. He'll do a great job in front 449 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:01,159 Speaker 6: of the room with the players. I think where he 450 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 6: where Tanner's really going to excel is he's been able 451 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 6: to to really thrive in these game management spots. So 452 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:10,280 Speaker 6: he understands the situation. 453 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:10,480 Speaker 1: In the game. 454 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 6: Uh, what do we need yardage wise to get into 455 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 6: fueld position? Uh, whether it's a field goal or an 456 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 6: attempt to score a touchdown. And so he's he's very 457 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 6: advanced in that area and so quick thinker. And like 458 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 6: I said, he was huge, huge impact on our process 459 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 6: over the last couple of years. 460 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 4: How about Steve Hyden as well, he was here, he 461 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 4: was your tight ends coach. 462 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's taking so happy for it. 463 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 6: I saw him at I think it was a Texas 464 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 6: pro dage just just last week, and uh, I know 465 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 6: he's doing really, really well. He was excited about the 466 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 6: opportunity he he coached those tight ends at a high level. 467 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 6: Sam Laporta really took off under his tutelage, and and 468 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 6: I knew he always wanted to get back in the 469 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 6: old line room and it worked out really well there 470 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 6: in New. 471 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,119 Speaker 1: York for you. 472 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 4: Yeah, evolution of the offense there in Detroit. How much 473 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 4: can those guys take that with as they start they 474 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 4: embark on this journey with the Jets. 475 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,840 Speaker 1: Because one thing that Aaron continues to stress is. 476 00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 4: That, hey, listen, we're gonna have players, and now we're 477 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: going to match our scheme to our personnel. 478 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, And that was always our philosophy there in Detroit, 479 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 6: and so you probably don't know exactly what it's going 480 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 6: to look like until you hit the grass here this springtime, 481 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 6: and even then, whatever you see the springtime is going 482 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 6: to morph and evolve in training camp and going into 483 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 6: the season as well. So I think Tanner understands there's 484 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 6: a progression in terms of how it needs to be installed. 485 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 6: The foundation is going to be put in place here 486 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 6: this spring and be able to go whatever direction is necessary. 487 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 6: Particularly with a different style of quarterback in New York 488 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 6: now than what we had in Detroit. That's gonna be 489 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 6: fun for me to watch from afar how he's able 490 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 6: to tackle that, because that's a similar challenge to what 491 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 6: I have in Chicago as well. 492 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 1: With it's a different style of. 493 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 6: Quarterbacks, so a lot of different ways that offense that 494 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 6: we had in Detroit can evolve. 495 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for stupping really 496 00:22:55,320 --> 00:23:01,840 Speaker 6: Thank you, Yeah, appreciate it.