1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A gorgeous only Fans model 2 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: is on the hot seat. Her live in is dead. 3 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: What does she have to do with it? If anything? 4 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for 5 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: being with us here at Fox Nation and Sirius XM 6 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: one eleven. First of all, take a listen to our 7 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: friends at WSVN. A bloody Sunday killing inside a trendy 8 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: Miami high rise. I think everybody in shock. Actually Rate 9 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:47,279 Speaker 1: Crogard acted. The Sparkling one Putty So condominium is where 10 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: it got violent days ago, and now a twenty seven 11 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: year old man is dead and his family is devastated. 12 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: And more from our friends Sheldon Fox at WSVN. Police 13 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: say they're still investigating with the hell of the State 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: Attorney and Medical Examiner's office. Police were called around five 15 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 1: o'clock Sunday at thirty one thirty one Northeast Seventh Avenue 16 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: in the apartment where the couple lived. It's where they 17 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: found Obumselley gravely injured. He was rushed to Jackson where 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,840 Speaker 1: he died. With me in all star panel to make 19 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now about the sudden 20 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: and unexpected death of a twenty seven year old young man, 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: Christian of Mselley. But first to Charlie Langston, our friend 22 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 1: and colleague joining us from dailymail dot com. She is 23 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: editor of Female Femail. Charlie, thank you for being with us. 24 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: What can you tell me first of all about this 25 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: luxury high rise for the death occurred. I mean it was, 26 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a stunning setting. There are incredible views. 27 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: It was you know, very modern, very sleek, very expensive. 28 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: But it turned into a shocking crime scene when pictures 29 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: emerged of this only model that you mentioned on the 30 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: balcony wearing a bra and covered in her boyfriend's blood. Okay, wait, wait, wait, 31 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: let me just take that. In the end, guys, we 32 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: were talking about an only Fans model and Charlie, how 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: would you describe only fans? Only Fans originally began as 34 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: a paid for subscription service where models could post risque content, 35 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, for a see, it was a way for 36 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 1: them to earn money during the pandemic. It actually became 37 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: incredibly popular with adult movie stars because the adult film 38 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: industry shut down and as a result, porn stars needed 39 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: somewhere to post their content so that they could earn money. 40 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: Only Fans pretty much has no rules about the kinds 41 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: of explicit nude content that you can publish, and as 42 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: a result, it now has a reputation for being a 43 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: very x rated website. The majority of people, not all 44 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: of the people, but the majority of people who post 45 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 1: on Only Fans have some kind of risk ae element 46 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: to their posting, and that means that there is a 47 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 1: slightly seedy undertone to the website in general. Truly, Langston, 48 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: I think you're putting perfume on the pig right there, 49 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: calling it risk But I think of risque. I think 50 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 1: of someone wearing maybe I don't know, a picture showing 51 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 1: cleavage or maybe in a negliger I would hardly compare 52 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: Only Fans to risque. That's not what it evokes in 53 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 1: my mind. Could you be more blunt? There is lots 54 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: of very sexually explicit content on that and it ranges 55 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: from what you just said, kind of more innocent photos 56 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: of people wearing lingerie right up to explicit videos of 57 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: people kind of performing acts of a sexual nature, nude photos, 58 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of things like that, and they usually you 59 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: are very kind of of the top the way that 60 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: they tease this content on other social media sites uses 61 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: a lot of very adult emojis, if you will. So, 62 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: I do think that the majority of people when they 63 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: think of Only Fans, they think of it as being 64 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,920 Speaker 1: almost a kind of paid for porn website. Now, didn't 65 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: I just read that the movie star Charlie Sheen's daughter, 66 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: I think her name is Lola or Sam is on 67 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: Only Fans. Yes, which which daughter is it? Lola is 68 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: then the mother? Yes, Denise Richards. I'm just learning that, 69 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: so Kien for just a moment. Well, whatever it is. 70 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: I know that this woman that you just describe wearing 71 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,120 Speaker 1: a bra on the balcony and covered in blood has 72 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: about two million followers, is that right? Yes? Wow, that's 73 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: a lot. That's a lot of followers and a lot 74 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: of money. I really explain. Well, in order to gain 75 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: access to her content, when you'd say two million followers 76 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:01,719 Speaker 1: on Only Fans, it's subscribe it. They have to pay 77 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: for the privilege, if you will, of accessing her content. 78 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: Without paying a monthly or an annual subscription fee, they 79 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: can't see anything that she posed. Now. Of course, in 80 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: the line of journalism, have you viewed her content? Her 81 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: page was taken down in light of everything that has happened, 82 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 1: but we understand that. You know, it wasn't the most 83 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: explicit content that was on only Fans, but there were 84 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: a number of images that were of a fairly sexual nature. 85 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 1: So let me get back to the money. Charlie likes 86 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: to joining me from dailymail dot com. She's editor of 87 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: Female Charlie. How much money are we talking about this? 88 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: She would bring in well on average. Subscription fees can 89 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: go from anywhere from five dollars a month up to 90 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 1: twenty five dollars a month. But one of the places 91 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 1: that only fanstars make a lot of money is by 92 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: offering tailor made content to their subscribe it. Well, wait 93 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: a minute, Jackie, why are you shaking your head? Yes, 94 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: have you partaken of the tailor made content journalistic integrity only? 95 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: But it's basically virtual lab dances. Okay. Jackie, who claims 96 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 1: it was for journalistic integrity, says that in her understanding, 97 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 1: its virtual lapp dances. What are we talking about, Charlie? 98 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: It can really be anything. It is up to the 99 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 1: only found creator what limit they put in place. But 100 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: they effectively open up their inboxes to all kinds of 101 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: requests from fans. These can be found who have specific sessiships, 102 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: who want them to wear specific outfit, who want them 103 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: to video themselves doing specific things. Really, there is no limit. 104 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 1: It's up to the only fans model how far they're 105 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: willing to take things in the name of earning you know, 106 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:45,040 Speaker 1: a fair amount of money. Okay. John W. Dill, high 107 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: profile lawyer is joining me out of winter Park, Florida, 108 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: author of as a method of proven techniques for winning 109 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: jury trials? Is it? John wdeal dot com? John, Before 110 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: we get ahead of ourselves, I just want to say this, 111 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 1: the first time I ever well, really, the only time 112 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 1: I tried to gloss over airbrush. A victim was passed 113 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: was a stripper and she had been robbed on robbery 114 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: at about two am in the morning, leaving her strip joint, 115 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: dressed as a cheerleader. And you know, I didn't know 116 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: how the jury was gonna take the victim being a stripper. 117 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: And I put her up on the stand and I 118 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: asked her, where are you from? Where did you go 119 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: to school? Where do you go to church? I took 120 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 1: one look over it and there was this real church 121 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: lady on the jury on the front row by the way, 122 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: and she was going m I finally went, okay, you 123 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: know what, I said, what do you do for a living? 124 00:07:41,960 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 1: Because I realized they could see straight through no matter 125 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: what I said. You could tell she's a stripper, right 126 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: right right, like yeah, like you said, putting, trying to 127 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: put lipstick on a pig is never good and the 128 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: jury can send things like that. It's better as you did, 129 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 1: just to be up front about about their alley. Well, 130 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: it was at first, okay, I tried to goloss over it. 131 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: I saw that was not working at all. So in 132 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: this only fans model with two million followers or subscribers, 133 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: as Charlie Lakson corrected me, and she's right, that's a 134 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: lot of money and they're paying to live in an 135 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: incredible luxury high rise. What goes wrong? How does she 136 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: end up on the balcony covered in blood? Take a 137 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: listen to our friends at WPLG. Detectives revealed Christian of 138 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: em Selly was stabbed during an argument inside their luxury 139 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: Miami apartment in April. After the stabbing, video obtained by 140 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: TMZ shows Clenny handcuffed and covered in blood sitting on 141 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: the floor. Clenny was not charged during the initial investigation 142 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: detectives spent months looking into whether or not this was 143 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: a case of self defense. So to you, Charlie Langston 144 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: joining us from dailymail dot com, what do we know 145 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: right now about how a twenty seven year old man 146 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: ends up stabbed dead and a luxury high rise there 147 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: in Miami. What we know of right now is that 148 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: the two had an argument. Exactly what the argument was about, 149 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: we do not yet know. However, her lawyer has admitted 150 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 1: that the two of them had a very tumultuous relationship. 151 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: To Karen start in joining me New York Psychologists joining 152 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: us out of Manhattan. That's Karen with the Sea and 153 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: you can find her at Karen Stark dot com. Karen, 154 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: what I hear tumultuous relationship? That means one thing to me? 155 00:09:34,200 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: That means domestic violence. Someone is beating someone. You got it, Nancy, 156 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: And then think about how much that's been in the 157 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: news lately too. You've been covering the whole case with 158 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: Johnny death right, and here we go again with another 159 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: relationship where you know that if they're talking about that 160 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: kind of relationship, that kind of interaction, there's got to 161 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: violence associated with it. Something had happened. Crime stories with 162 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. We need to hear neighbors describing a tumultuous relationship. 163 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: That's certainly a ephanism. We immediately think of domestic violence, 164 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: but all it's not always as it seems, is it. 165 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: In the midst of their investigation, video taken from an 166 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: elevator takes center stage. Listen the video showing a violent 167 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: encounter in an elevator, and months later, the man in 168 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: that video would be killed, the state's attorney says by 169 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: that Instagram model Courtney Cluny, a social media personality and 170 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: influencer now turned alleged killer. The Miami Dade States Attorney 171 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: says this video is part of a pattern that led 172 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: to Cloney's stabbing her boyfriend, Christian obum Selly to death. Well, 173 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: this with me the first time that elevator video has 174 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 1: come into play. Remember when Beyonce and jay Z were 175 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 1: on the elevator with Beyonce's sister. Listen, jay Z and 176 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: Beyonce Knols Carter, the almost royalty power couple of hip 177 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: hop and R and B set tongues wagging across the 178 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: world because of this incident captured by CCTV cameras in 179 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: an elevator at a fancy hotel in the Big Apple. 180 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: All appears calm and normal until Solange Knolls, Beyonce's sister, 181 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:48,559 Speaker 1: lunges at her brother in law. The video shows Solange, 182 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: a vocal star and fashionista in her own right, punching, hitting, kicking, 183 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: and clawing at the famed wrapper before eventually being pulled 184 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: off by a bodyguard. Yeah. I love about that? How much? 185 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: Those are our friends? At jamz is at Meance, I 186 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: was like, m, you didn't see her pull on Solange 187 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: off of jay Z. Something was going on in that elevator. 188 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: But what about Ray Rice, the NFL star? Remember that 189 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: elevator video? Take a lesson to our friends from Daily Mail. 190 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: The grainy video is from inside the elevator, showing Rice 191 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,079 Speaker 1: knocking Jenny Palmer off her feet and into a railing. 192 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,480 Speaker 1: The other video, released months earlier, showed Rice dragging his 193 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: now wife out of the elevator. Rice was arrested and 194 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: charged with felony aggravated assault earlier this year, but avoided 195 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 1: jail time by enrolling in a pre trial intervention program. 196 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,400 Speaker 1: In July, he received a minor two games suspension from 197 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:46,319 Speaker 1: the NFL, a decision widely criticized, prompting NFL Commissioner Roger 198 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: Goodell a month later to admit that the league needed 199 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: to take a tougher position on domestic violence. So where 200 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: will we be without elevator video? Remember that Ray Rice 201 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: video of him abusing the victor, dragging her out by 202 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: her hair that set off a storm light no other, 203 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: especially within the NFL. So Charlie Lanks to joining me 204 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: from dalinmall dot com. What does the video in this 205 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: case show? Because we've got this gorgeous only fans model 206 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: with two million plus subscribers raking it in, living in 207 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: this luxury high rise she's climbing. She acted in self 208 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: defense when she stabbed her lover. But what do we 209 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: see on the elevator video? We see her absolutely pummeling 210 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: her boyfriend. Now, this video was taken in February, so 211 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: this was months before album Selly was killed, and the 212 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: video effectively just shows her punching him, slapping him, shoving 213 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: him over several minutes, and from what the clip shows, 214 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: at no point does he attempt to defend himself. He 215 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: turns his back to her in an attempt to protect 216 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: himself from her blows, but he does not retaliate, he 217 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: does not react towards her in a physical manner whatsoever. 218 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: After seeing this elevator video, cops then take their investigation 219 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: all the way to Vegas. Listen to our friends from 220 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: WSVN an extremely tempestuous and combative relationship. The video played Thursday, 221 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: showing the violent dynamics as the State's attorney that persisted 222 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: within the couple's relationship, Clenny the aggressor during episodes like 223 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: this one and others. Here's a Las Vegas mug shot. 224 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: She was arrested in January for domestic battery. Again. Her 225 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: boyfriend was the victim. Okay, Charlie Langston, she the only 226 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 1: fans superstar pulling in a lot of money every month, 227 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: two million subscribers that at the very minimum five dollars 228 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: up to twenty five dollars a month. That is a 229 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: lot of money. Why can't rich people just be happy? Charlie. 230 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: Now we've got only her beating the crap out of 231 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: him on an elevator, but we also now have a 232 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: love shot at a Vegas arrested for domestic battery on 233 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: the same victim, the lover Christian. What happened there? She 234 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: threw a glass at his head. It very narrowly missed. 235 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: Once again, the two of them got embroiled in an argument, 236 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: and she, from what we understand from witnesses from the 237 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: police report, turned violence and started kind of you know, 238 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: going for her boyfriend and threw a glass at him, 239 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: which you know, presumably had it made contact, could have 240 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 1: very seriously injured him or you know, killed him, you know. 241 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: Joining me from New York Karen Start, New York psychologist Karen. 242 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: If somebody threw a glass in my head and that 243 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: somebody was arrested for domestic battery, I think I would 244 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 1: get the hay had a dodge. Why do you think 245 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: this grown man, good looking guy is world in front 246 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: of him? Christian and Sally stayed with her. Now he's dead. 247 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: I love that question, Nancy, because you see it all 248 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: the time and relationships of abuse where somebody keeps staying 249 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: and you say to yourself, what's going on? And what's 250 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: happening is is that each time and it doesn't start 251 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: off that severe usually, but each time that there's an incident, 252 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: there's an apology from the abuser and there's I'm sorry, 253 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and the person comes back and after 254 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: a while they are ego. Their feelings about themselves are affected, 255 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: and they no longer feel like they're worthwhile or that 256 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: they can live without the other person, And so they stay, 257 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: and they keep coming back for more. And it's not 258 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: because they're masochistic. It's because they lose their sense of self. 259 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not winding the victim at all. I'm 260 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 1: just trying to figure out what made it so important 261 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 1: to him to stay with someone that beat the crap 262 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: out of him and an elevator and had already been 263 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: arrested for abusing him in Vegas. It's not the first 264 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: time a man has stayed with a woman that they 265 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: think is just, let me just say, got snakes in 266 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: her head, just flat out crazy, and ends up dead. 267 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut sixteen Our Friends. At 268 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: ABC twenty twenty, Jody arius had changed her story twice, 269 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: from not being at the scene at all to being 270 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: attacked by two apparently professional killers dressed as ninjas. Jodi 271 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: Arias now had a third story, Did you killed Travis Alexander? 272 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: On June fourth, two thousand and eight, Yes, he did. 273 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: Why The simple answers that he attacked me and he 274 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,120 Speaker 1: defended myself. She now changes the story to self defense. 275 00:17:54,280 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: It was Travis's continual abuse and on June fourth and eight, 276 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: it had reached a point of no return. Join me 277 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: right now, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood 278 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon and Star. I'm a brand 279 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: new hit series on iHeart Body Bags with Joe Scott Morgan. 280 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 1: Death investigator Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott, you remember the 281 00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: Jodi Arias trial. I believe it was at least twenty 282 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: nine stabs, but I think it was more some experts 283 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: say thirty one. Because there were so many stab wounds. 284 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: They started overlapping each other and the medical examiner couldn't 285 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,919 Speaker 1: quite tell how many stabs there were. And it was 286 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: capped off with her shooting him in the head and 287 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: leaving his damp body to decompose in the shower. Is 288 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: that jogging your memory, Joe Scott? She claimed self defense too, Yes, 289 00:18:47,359 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: unfortunately it is. Do you realize how long I've tried 290 00:18:49,600 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: to forget this case and now you bring it up? 291 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: Me too? So it was, you know, to say that 292 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: what Travis Alexander endured Nancy is self defense. The victim 293 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: of self defense. This guy walked into a buzz saw. 294 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: She stabbed him so many times, and it's not it 295 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: wasn't just the fact that she had stabbed him so 296 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: many times. Remember went to the back, she cut his 297 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: throat almost ear to ear, and to be quite frank 298 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: with you, his head was barely hanging on. Okay, and 299 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 1: then the coup de gray, if you will. She takes 300 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 1: a pistol and shoots him in the head. And you know, 301 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: the medical examiner at that time track that wound and 302 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: guess what. There was no hemorrhage in that wound. Nancy, 303 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: that was a post mortem injury, and some of these 304 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: other injuries were as well. This is not an act 305 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: of self defense. If somebody commits and acts at self defense, 306 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 1: they stabbed the person, they shoot the person, and guess 307 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: what they do, Just like you said, they get out 308 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: a way, they bail, They get away as far from 309 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: the dangerous they possibly can. Jody Arias, no way, that's 310 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: not what happened. I will never forget the Jody Aries 311 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: trial where she told the jury in the third story 312 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: that it was self defense. But it brings to mind 313 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 1: another case where the male boyfriend ends up dead and 314 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: the lover claims self defense. Does anyone remember Shana Hubers, 315 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: Remember she was dating an up and coming lawyer. He 316 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: was really doing well. Then through her stalking, just like 317 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: Jodi Arias stalked Travis Alexander, she finds out she must 318 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:36,959 Speaker 1: have hacked into his email. He had a date. Now 319 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: they had broken up. He had a date that night, 320 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: literally with miss Ohio. Take a listen to our friends 321 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: at Fox nineteen Cecily Miller testified that you bers knew 322 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: that post and was going on a date with miss Ohio. 323 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: Audrey Bolti the night she shot and killed him. Where 324 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: I remember is when she shot him, it was like 325 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: bang bang bang, Bababeang's gray and she and she sit 326 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: there and she said, I just gave a nose job 327 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: we always wanted. Cackle left and she shot Hi. You 328 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: fell And then when she shot him, she stood over, 329 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: striding more, stood over him and shot him more. That's 330 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: eerily reminiscent of what Joe Scott Morgan was describing Jody 331 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:23,960 Speaker 1: Arius after stabbing Travis Alexander twenty nine times, then shot 332 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: him in the head post mortem. Now with Shana Hebers, 333 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: she went on to claim self defense. There's no evidence 334 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: of that whatsoever. And she actually sat in a statement. 335 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: By shooting him in the face, she quote gave him 336 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: the nose job he always wanted. Okay, Karen's stark tall order. 337 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: Remember Jody Arius stopped Travis after he broke up with her. 338 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: She would show up unexpected. The day she murdered him, 339 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: she drove across I think an entire state, leaving no 340 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: trail behind her to have a marathon sex session with 341 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: him to basically talk him out. I'm going on a 342 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 1: trip to King Kun with a new date. In both 343 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: of these cases, we have the woman possessively stalking the 344 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: man and then killing him. And what you know from 345 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 1: these cases, Nancy, is that they can't deal with the 346 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 1: fact that they are going to lose him to somebody else. 347 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: It has nothing to do with love. It has everything 348 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: to do with he's mine. I need him, I need 349 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,640 Speaker 1: to possess him, and nobody else could have him. And 350 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: they will use any kind of manipulation to get the 351 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:48,199 Speaker 1: guy and then, as you can see, kill him and 352 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 1: not just kill him, but then after he's dead. And 353 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: that's pure. Just like Joe Scott said, it's so much 354 00:22:54,680 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: anger to keep stabbing, shooting somebody after their ro they 355 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: did take a listen to what friends of Christian and 356 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: Sally had to say in our cut three our friends 357 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: at wp LG. This trio was very close to twenty 358 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 1: seven year old Christian Obumselly and his girlfriend, who they've 359 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: identified as twenty five year old Courtney Clenny and only fans, 360 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: model and Instagram influencer. So when police reported that obam 361 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: Selly was fatally stabbed by Clenny on Sunday inside their 362 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 1: Miami apartment, the friends were left speechless. They portray a 363 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: very violent relationship at the hands of only one person 364 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: seeing her hit him. I've never seen him hit her 365 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: straight out to Charlie Langston joining us from dailymail dot com, 366 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 1: she the only fans influencer let me say with two 367 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: million subscribers, insists the stabbing was in self defense. What 368 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: does she claim happened? She claims that she and albam 369 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:59,200 Speaker 1: Selly got into an argument. She then claims Clanny claims 370 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: that album Felly grabbed her by the throats and that 371 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,119 Speaker 1: she stabbed him in self defense. She then phones the 372 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: police to report the stabbing, and he could be heard 373 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: in the background saying I'm dying, I'm dying. And I 374 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: can't feel my arm, while she simply says I'm so sorry. 375 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: Listen four thirty three pm to four fifty seven pm, 376 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: neighbors began calling the building manager about his disturbance at 377 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: the apartment. They called security call nine to eleven at 378 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: four or forty six, notifying them of the disturbance. Eleven 379 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 1: minutes later, at four fifty seven, Defended Clenny called nine 380 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: one one to tell the police that Christian was suffering 381 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: from a stag room and needed help. On that nine 382 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: eleven call, Christian can be heard in the background repeatedly 383 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: saying that he was dying and he was losing feeling 384 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: in his arm. Defended Clany is also heard saying I'm 385 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: so sorry, Daby, I'm so sorry. Yeah, that's what she said, 386 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: as the lamer is dying and can't feel his arm. 387 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: She was on the phone with her mother at the time. 388 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: Her mother had said that she could hear Plenty accusing 389 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: album Felly of lying. She then claims Plenty claims that 390 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 1: album Felly grabbed her by the throat and that she 391 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: stabbed him in self defense. Take a listen to this. 392 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: At four thirty three pm, Christian walks into the apartment. 393 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: Ten minutes later, at four forty three PM, Plenty called 394 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: her mother. That call lasts until about four just over 395 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: six minutes. At four forty nine, Clanny made a second 396 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 1: call almost immediately to her mother. They spoke until four 397 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: or fifty six PM, a little over seven minutes, you think. 398 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: At four fifty seven m funny cause nine to eleven 399 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 1: to John W. Deal high profile warrior joining us out 400 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 1: of Winter Park, Florida. You can find him at Johnwdal 401 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: dot com. Please, your mother is your witness. I've never 402 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: tried a single person for any felony whose mother didn't 403 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: sit right behind them on the front row declaring her 404 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: son wouldn't ever have done whatever, or her daughter. I mean, 405 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 1: that's of course the mother is going to say that, right, right, 406 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the thing she's she's gonna say that. 407 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: But the concerning thing is that I'm sorry. As you 408 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: pointed out, that is not in the circumstances exactly which 409 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: you probably would want to hear as a defense attorney 410 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: explain well as far as if if if the girl 411 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: is saying I'm sorry and he's laying there dying, it 412 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like anything other than that She potentially is 413 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: a little bit callous about what is happening, and I 414 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: think that's what prosecutors could try to show. I mean, 415 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: prosecutor would have a field day if the main witness 416 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 1: is the only fans modeled mother. Of course, the mother's 417 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,640 Speaker 1: gonna lie to protect her daughter, no matter how much 418 00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:27,680 Speaker 1: Courtney Taylor Clenny the only fans superstar and sist she 419 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: acted in self defense. All of Christians friends say no way. 420 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friends at WPLG. Officers say 421 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: there was a struggle before album Selly was stabbed in 422 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: the shoulder. He died at the hospital. Investigators are still 423 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: trying to figure out what happened and if Clenny acted 424 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 1: in self defense. From what we've personally experienced between the 425 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: both of them, we believe that like Christian wouldn't cut 426 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,959 Speaker 1: her in a position gener where she would need to 427 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: stop him to protect herself. Take a listen to our 428 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: friends at WSV in seven. Several months later, she's a 429 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: murder suspect following an April encounter. The knife entered Christian's 430 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: chest in a downward angle to the depth of three inches. 431 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: Clennie stabbed Obam Selly to death at the Baraiso condo 432 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 1: in Miami. She claimed self defense and was not initially arrested, 433 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:23,200 Speaker 1: sending Cleanny admitted to having caused Christian's injury, but after 434 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: gathering evidence, police and prosecutors charged Clenny with murder in 435 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: this second degree with a weapon Crime stories with Nancy Grace, 436 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: the investigation goes forward and culminates here. Take a listen 437 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: to our cut seven Our friends at wp LG police 438 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: say this woman stabbed her boyfriend to death four months 439 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,560 Speaker 1: ago inside their apartment. Today she was picked up by 440 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: US Marshalls in Hawaii. This is Only Fans model Courtney Klenny. 441 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: She's known for her pictures and her two million followers 442 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: on Instagram, But Wednesday she posed for a very different picture, 443 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: a new mugshot. She was arrested in Hawaii facing a 444 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: murder charge four months after police day she stabbed her 445 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: boyfriend to death. But when they finally charged the Only 446 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 1: Fans star, she's nowhere to be found. Straight out to 447 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, Professor forensic Jackson State University, could you 448 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: place interpret what we are hearing the downward angle stab 449 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: three inches deep. Yeah. What's really kind of fascinating about 450 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: this is the fact that Initially, she said she threw 451 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: the knife at him and that's what created this injury. 452 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: And what a bunch of garbage that is. When the 453 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: m went in and began to examine this injury, Nancy, 454 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: they determined that, as you had pointed out, that it's 455 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: a downward path and it passed through. If everybody at 456 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: home will fill their left collar bone, which you know, 457 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:10,080 Speaker 1: medical parlance, they call it clavicle, feel your left collar bone, 458 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 1: it actually clipped what's referred to as a subclavian artery, 459 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: and it's one of the major arteries in your body. 460 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: So when she passed through it and then I drew 461 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: it out internally, he just began to spray blood all 462 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: over the place and within him and externally too. She 463 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: clipped this major vessel. And the only way she could 464 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 1: have done this, Nancy, is that she would have had 465 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: to have been in a dominant position what we refer to, 466 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: as you know, essentially an asymmetrical position where she is 467 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: above him and thrusting downward. If he had had a 468 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: team of cardiothoracic surgeon standing over him, I don't know 469 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: that they could have saved him at that moment time. 470 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: This was a fatal injury and your expertise just got Morgan, 471 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: how do you think this went down? Based on the 472 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: angle on the stab and the depth, I think that 473 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: there is a high probability that he could have been seated, 474 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: even you know, because if you look at that that 475 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: image from the elevator, he's a big guy. I mean, 476 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: when I saw him, I thought, oh my gosh, this 477 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: guy's like a football player, you know. You see him 478 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: and he's you know, he's just kind of fending her off, 479 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: and she's tiny. She's actually in a couple of those motions. 480 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: She's hopping up to try to you know, to try 481 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: to pop him and that sort of thing. She would 482 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: have had to have been dominant in this, So I 483 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: don't know if he was laying on the floor or 484 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: sitting on the floor or sitting in a chair, but 485 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: she would have had to gone straight down in order 486 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: to access that area. Wouldn't you be able to tell 487 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: at the luxury apartment where the initial stab was based 488 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,320 Speaker 1: on the pool of blood, Yeah, yeah, because that's going 489 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 1: to be the most profound or he could have been 490 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: leaking blood and it would have passively fallen on the 491 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: ground from that point to where he came to rest 492 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: at that point, and if the knife is withdrawn, you're 493 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: gonna have also passive blood staining that's going and other locations. 494 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: And finally where the knife came to risk. This was 495 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 1: a six inch blade. It penetrated three inches and that's 496 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,959 Speaker 1: more than enough to do this kind of damage. Listen. 497 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 1: She says he threw her to the ground but allowed 498 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: her to get up, and it was at that point 499 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: that defendant Clanny went to a kitchen area the knife. 500 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 1: As Christian sort of approached her, she threw the knife 501 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: at him from a distance that she's estimated to be 502 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: about ten feet in describing the stabbing incident, at no 503 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: time the defendant Clanny Clan Christian was armed with any 504 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: type of a weapon, and based on the location of 505 00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: the stab of the wound, the medical examiner opined, in 506 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 1: other words, it was her opinion that throwing the knife 507 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: from that distance would not have caused that fatal stab wound. 508 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 1: To John w oh high profile lawyer out of Winter Park, Florida, 509 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 1: did you hear that The first thing she said was 510 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: she threw the knife at him. That's not going to 511 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 1: help in a self defense case, because why would you 512 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: change your story absolutely now not unlike Jodi Aris, as 513 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 1: you pointed out, the thing about self defense is the 514 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: prior statements can come back and haunch it. And the 515 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,200 Speaker 1: only way to many times to prove self defense if 516 00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: you can't prove it forensically, is to have the person testify. 517 00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: So that I would imagine that that in the I'm 518 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: sorry comment are going to be really big hurdles for 519 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: the defense attorney to overcome. Yeah, you're not kidding. That's 520 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: never a good thing, and you're stuck with it. You're 521 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: stuck with it unless you can somehow get that statement 522 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: thrown out of court arguing she didn't know a rise 523 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: that she she was not mirandized. You can try a 524 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,840 Speaker 1: ton of ways to get thrown out. I don't think 525 00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: it is going to get thrown out. That said to 526 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: Charlie Langston when the murder charge comes down, the accusation, 527 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: she's no law ran Florida. Right, No, she was not. 528 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: She was in Hawaii undergoing treatment at a rehabilitation center, 529 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 1: rehab for what she was being treated for alcohol issues 530 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: in PTSD. PTSD, Okay, take a listen to this. Police 531 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,160 Speaker 1: say this woman stabbed her boyfriend to death four months 532 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,759 Speaker 1: ago inside their apartment. Today she was picked up by 533 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: US Marshalls in Hawaii. This is only fans model Courtney Cleanny. 534 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: She's known for her pictures and her two million followers 535 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram, but Wednesday she posed for a very different picture, 536 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: a new mug shot. She was arrested in Hawaii facing 537 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: a murder charge, four months after police say she stabbed 538 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 1: her boyfriend to death. Charlie likes to enjoining me at 539 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: aitora female at delimail dot com. What can you tell 540 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: me about text messages that have been sent by the 541 00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: suspect Courtney Taylor Clanny, the only fans star sit to 542 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,240 Speaker 1: her by her mother. In the warrant documents that were issued, 543 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: it states that plenty of received text messages from her mother, 544 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 1: who was on the phone with her when part of 545 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:18,320 Speaker 1: this argument went down, saying that she should mention self 546 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: defense to the police officers and that she should not 547 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: speak to any investigators without an attorney present. Wow, okay, deal, 548 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,720 Speaker 1: here you go man, you got a tall order. John 549 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: w Deal joining US high high profile lawyer. What do 550 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 1: you do when your client's mommy tecks? Hey? Try self defense? 551 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: And yet another problem there? I guess you know. I 552 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: hope would be that somehow the mom could justify into 553 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 1: a history of violence that she gets aware of. But 554 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 1: it's really bad when you say in the same line 555 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: as don't talk to investigators, as they mentioned self defense, 556 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: that get another problem for the defense. Yeahuys, apparently this 557 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: had been going on for some time. That's very difficult 558 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: for many people to believe that the female can actually 559 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 1: be the aggressor, like Jodi Arius or Shana Hubers. Take 560 00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: a listen to our cut ten. This just Shannon Ryan 561 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: at Fox seven behind closed doors. We just started hearing 562 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: some shouting, yelling. We don't know who was starting what. 563 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: We didn't get a lot of contacts. Occasionally we would 564 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: hear some glasses break and some banging on the walls, floors. 565 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: Not sure you know who was doing it. Thursday, authorities 566 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 1: in Florida charging his Whisky's former neighbor, twenty six year 567 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: old social media store Courtney Clinney, was stabbing her boyfriend, 568 00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 1: Christian Toby of him Sally to death. I just want 569 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: people to know that it had been going on for 570 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: a long time and it definitely could have been stopped. 571 00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: So to you, Karen Stark, the friends know the neighbors know, 572 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: but yet nothing changed, and now a twenty seven year 573 00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: old man, the prime of his life is dead. It's dead, Nancy, 574 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: And it's just heartbreaking when you think about the circumstances. 575 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: And I don't believe for one minute that this was 576 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: self defense, especially she's implicating herself. I'm not a lawyer, 577 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 1: but she's saying, I'm so sorry, baby, and I'm so 578 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 1: sorry that Why would she be so sorry if this 579 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: guy was really going after her? And also if the 580 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,760 Speaker 1: guy is still alive, I would think she'd be trying 581 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: to call nine one one and then try to somehow 582 00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: stave the blood flows, stop it. Well, from what I 583 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: know right now, Charlie lanks to joining me dalimil dot com. 584 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: She has been extradited from Hawaii. She is back in Florida, 585 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:43,120 Speaker 1: and the victim's family is calling for the only fans 586 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: star to get life behind bars, if not the death penalty. Yes, 587 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 1: they are absolutely furious, understandably so, about how this whole 588 00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 1: case has been handled. They don't understand why she was 589 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,320 Speaker 1: allowed to be to be let go back in April 590 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: when this, you know, horrific incident occurred. They are now 591 00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,880 Speaker 1: saying that she deserved life in prison, that this was 592 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: a heinous act of violence, it would not self defense. Meanwhile, 593 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: she is calling for album Sally's body to be dug 594 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: up so that it can be re examined for evidence 595 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 1: that she says, will prove this was an act of 596 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,840 Speaker 1: self defense. Okay, she hasn't done enough already. Now she 597 00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,640 Speaker 1: wants his body dug up. Jessica Morgan very quickly. If 598 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,000 Speaker 1: this were a case of self defense, what would you 599 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,360 Speaker 1: expect to find on her body? Well, you're going to 600 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,719 Speaker 1: have bruises on her I found it very curious. You know, 601 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: she had made mention of the fact that he had 602 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: grabbed her by the throat, and many times when you 603 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: see this, particularly a diminutive person, where you have a big, 604 00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: powerful person that grabs him by the throat, you'll see 605 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: an area of contusion on her throat at that point 606 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,759 Speaker 1: in time. Did they do that exam at that particular time? 607 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:58,200 Speaker 1: Were there any bruises on her hands, broken nails, anything 608 00:38:58,239 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 1: like that. I'd be curious to see if they had 609 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 1: exam m her in Miami at that particular time. Well, 610 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,000 Speaker 1: she won't be on only fans for a while unless 611 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,280 Speaker 1: she does it from behind bars. We wait As justice 612 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: and falls Fancy Grace Crimbs story signing off Goodbye Friend,