1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Hey, Noel, riddle me this. What do a camel, a bucket, 2 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: and an ear have in common? 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 2: An ear like on our head or like an ear 4 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 2: of corn? You know what? 5 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 3: Prescient? Prescient? This is a classic episode. Just making sure 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 3: I understand the assignment. Riddle you that each was at 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 3: some point responsible for starting a war. So why don't 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 3: we dive into this classic episode about weird wars that 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 3: were fought for stupid reasons. 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. 11 00:00:57,440 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: War. 12 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: To paraphraze, the common figure of speech is heck, it's 13 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: not a it's not a pretty thing. It's been an 14 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: unfortunately common occurrence throughout the span of human history. Some 15 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: people will even argue that it is an economic necessity. 16 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 1: But today we are here to tell you that war 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: can also be ridiculous. Hi, I'm Ben. 18 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: I am no Ben. You gamer? You a fair weather 19 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:21,760 Speaker 2: gamer like me? 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,480 Speaker 1: A fair weather gamer. 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: There. 22 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: I've had some pretty intense gaming experiences, But I don't 23 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,559 Speaker 1: play video games every day. I mean I don't play games. 24 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 2: That's right. It kicks you out of kindergarten because I 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 2: don't play it don't play. But yeah, there's another good war. 26 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 2: It never changes that's the opening line for the Fallout games, 27 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 2: which I'm a big fan of. And you know, the 28 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 2: point being that the war depicted in those games is 29 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: a future slash past post apocalyptic nuclear war, but it 30 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 2: never changes because it's all about the human costs and 31 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: about the stuff that goes on on the ground and 32 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,480 Speaker 2: the way humans interact with each other. And in our 33 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: story today, animals. 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: Yes, animals, of course we're we're referring to actual non 35 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: human animals. But we like to begin every show with 36 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: a shout out to our favorite party animal, super producer, 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: Casey Pegrim. So today we want to open the story with, 38 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: as you said, Noel, a story of an animal. This 39 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: is a little bit of a legend. But travel back 40 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: with us to four ninety four CE. There were two 41 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: Arab tribes that were tangentially related. 42 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: Right with the dag Lebe and the Bakar. 43 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 1: Perfect hold one man, I'm bad, not bad, not bad 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: at all, not bad at all. 45 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: Come at us, Internet, Please come. 46 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: At us politely or or or with a sense of humor. 47 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,679 Speaker 1: That's always good. That's great. That goes a long way 48 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: with us. So this this happens in the in Arabia 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: in the pre Islamic era, and supposedly the story starts 50 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: when a woman named al Basos went to visit her niece, 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: a woman named Jalila bent Mura Jalila. Although she was 52 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: a member of the Baker tribe, this game be a 53 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: little confusing. She was married to a guy named Kulib 54 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: who was the leader of a different tribe, the Toglub tribe. 55 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 2: Right, that's right. He was apparently a real pill about 56 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: you know, ownership of stuff, which would have been a 57 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 2: pretty common trait back in those days. I mean, you 58 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 2: gotta you know, what's mine is mine. It's like a 59 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 2: very mad Max kind of world where you gotta protect 60 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: your stuff or else you're gonna get got. 61 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 1: Do you get gotten or do you go get those 62 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: are the choices. 63 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 2: Are you a go getter? Are you a get got her? 64 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: Yeah? 65 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: Right? 66 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: And this guy club, as you said, only says he's 67 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a pill. He saw an unidentified camel 68 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: in his territory and he shot it with an arrow, 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: But he did not know that this camel was owned 70 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: by a refugee who was under the protection of Albasos, 71 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: the lady we mentioned earlier, Right, And the man's name 72 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: was Sad bin Shum's I believe. 73 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 2: That sounds good. Okay, great, quick question right up front. Yeah, 74 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 2: you see an unidentified camel, you know you see never mind, 75 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:30,599 Speaker 2: it feels like it. We don't know what that is. 76 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: Why do you shoot it? Why don't you just wrangle 77 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 2: it and take it? Why would you why would you 78 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: kill a perfectly good ship of the desert? I guess 79 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 2: because you make bad decisions? Because well that's yeah, that's 80 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 2: the theme here for sure. So Arrow is loosed into 81 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: said camel, and owner of said camel, Albe seuss Uh, 82 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 2: wasn't having it. 83 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 1: Furious. She is livid. She is screaming, ranting, and raving 84 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 1: about this. She helps her nephew Jossis that she has 85 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: been personally humiliated. Jossis is also mad. He hears about it. 86 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: He gets steamed too, and he goes to the leader 87 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: of the Toglub tribe, this guy cool yob right, and 88 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: he kills him. He kills his brother in law. 89 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:24,640 Speaker 2: Yikes, oh man. And this essentially, no, it did. Yeah, 90 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 2: it's not hedge bets here triggered trigger warning war, trigger 91 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: a war that lasted, As the legend goes, forty years 92 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 2: between these two tribes and the idea of warring tribes 93 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 2: in this part of the country. It remains to this day, 94 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 2: does it not? Yeah, it does. 95 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: And what we see next after this confrontation in this 96 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 1: murder is a series of increasingly terrible events. So one 97 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 1: of Baker's allies thinks that this is kind of dumb. 98 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: We can't be killing real people. Bull over just one 99 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: you see roaming around the desert. You are unidentified roaming camel. 100 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 2: What do you think? I like it? Okay, I don't 101 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: like it. It's it's it sucks. But yeah, I like 102 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 2: I like your I like the cut of your jib. 103 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: You like your camel's identified. That's one thing I've always 104 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: respected about you. 105 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: I do. But there's more bloodshed before we've we've triggered 106 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 2: this this forty and this number forty comes into play 107 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 2: at least in the places we've read this. So there 108 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,480 Speaker 2: is another leader of the Todd Lab who is the 109 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 2: brother of the of the leader who was killed the chieftain, 110 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: right is that is that? Can we use that term here? 111 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: His name is al moja Haal al Mohallal. I like that, 112 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 2: and he wants to to get to you. Snit this 113 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 2: in the bud. You know, let's do a truce. And 114 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 2: there was apparently I'm reading this really great article that 115 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: sums us up beautifully on revolvi dot com. There was 116 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 2: a tradition here that you would send one of your own, 117 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 2: putting your bloodline at risk, you know, as an emissary 118 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 2: to make peace. So he sent his son o Jair 119 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 2: to parley with the Bakar and they killed him right away. 120 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 2: This camel beef is intense. That's good. I like that. 121 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 2: Maybe it's because I'm hungry. 122 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 1: But it was completely expected that when o jer traveled 123 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: to Soush for peace, he would be forgiven because they 124 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: were obeying the traditional rules and mores for this kind 125 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: of situation. But almohallhall as you said, completely broke murdered 126 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: o Jeer. And then this is where the number forty 127 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: comes back into play, right because the father who is 128 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: mourning this alahaithibin Abad recites a poem of forty verses. 129 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was the one that wasn't having it. That 130 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 2: was like, come on, guys, we can fix this. But 131 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 2: now they've crossed the line, they've killed his son. He's 132 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: just free forming this misery poem, and it all becomes 133 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: kind of part of the war. He gets his men 134 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 2: to shave their heads, to shave their horses manes and 135 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: tails off, and now that becomes a tradition to an 136 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 2: Arabic culture. It's a sign of you grieving until you 137 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 2: have gotten Here's the kicker here, revenge, Because we all 138 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: know revenge is a sticky wicket because even when you 139 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: get it, or the perception of revenge, you don't really 140 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: feel better. And it's something that you just kind of 141 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: can go on seeking everywhere you see, you see it, 142 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: do you see what I mean? I mean, yeah, well, 143 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: I think it's it's true. 144 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: You know, revenge is as damaging to the person seeking 145 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: vengeance as it is to their target. Often this war, 146 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: which continued, as we said, for forty years again over 147 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: a RC absolutely led to a massacre of the Toaglub 148 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: tribe and almost into the tribe altogether. The last few 149 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: Taglab when they were still alive. The tribal leader, he mentioned, 150 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: the poet Alharith ibin Abad, said his famous quote, I 151 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,560 Speaker 1: will not talk to Taglab until Earth talks to me. 152 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: In other words, never never, yeah, because Earth don't talk, 153 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:06,200 Speaker 1: Earth don't talk. 154 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 2: No. But yeah, the thing that's interesting about this and 155 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: as it's a good set piece kind of kick off 156 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: this episode is the term basis war kind of became 157 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 2: a stand in for a pointless and stupid war. 158 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: A pointless beef. Yes, yeah, there is a happy ending 159 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: to Boss's war. 160 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 2: Oh yeah. 161 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: The way the story goes, and again this is a 162 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: story is that when the Toglub tribe thought it was 163 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: going to be the end of days for them, in desperation, 164 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,439 Speaker 1: they dug a trench along a road where this Alhariz 165 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: guy was passing by, and a man from the tribe 166 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: hid there in the trench. And while the guy was 167 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: riding by, this member of the Toglub tribe recited a 168 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: poem asking for forgiveness and technically fulfilling the condition of 169 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: the earth, speaking to what. Here's tricksy, here's the crazy thing. 170 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: It worked, and the war ended. 171 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 2: It is very strange, Okay. 172 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: Poetry seems to play a very powerful role here. 173 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: Well here's the thing though, too, As is the case 174 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: for a lot of these larger than life historical accounts, 175 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,320 Speaker 2: there's more than a little liberty taken right. You know. 176 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 2: There's a great article from IO nine called ten the 177 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: ten most Insignificant Wars in History of which this is 178 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 2: one in the list, and they're kind of asking how 179 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 2: much this is true. What they've discovered and we have 180 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 2: confirmed and what we've read as well is that, yeah, 181 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 2: there most likely was a war in four ninety four 182 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 2: CE when stuff like this happened in this flavor. But 183 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 2: this notion of a war lasting for or this war 184 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: lasting forty years is probably a little bit overstating the case. 185 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard of any other wars that lasted 186 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: forty years? 187 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: Been? 188 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 2: Wasn't there a little thing called the yeah named in 189 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:03,439 Speaker 2: a burst of creating a burst of creativity, we got 190 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 2: forty verses in this sadness poem, one verse a year, 191 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 2: one verse the year. And then there's another story in 192 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 2: this inine article that's very similar from around the same 193 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 2: time that talks about these two particularly warring tribes. Because 194 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 2: there were a lot of tribes. This was a tribal culture, right, right. 195 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: This was not just like a left and right situation. 196 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 2: There were tons of these factions, you know. And another 197 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 2: story talks about two tribes that went to war for 198 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: forty because they couldn't decide which had won a horse race. 199 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: And this is just the beginning. If you were a 200 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: fan of our Weird People who Built Weird Stuff episode, 201 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: which we still are receiving emails about, and thank you 202 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: very much. Then you are going to enjoy this grab bag. 203 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: Today we are inspired to explore other wars that began 204 00:11:55,440 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: for ridiculous reasons, and also along the way we will 205 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: help determine how much truth there is or how little 206 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: truth there is to these stories. 207 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 2: What do you Noel, Well, I just want to like 208 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 2: backtrack a little bit or backpedal rather. I sat up 209 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 2: at the beginning of the show that a lot of 210 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 2: these had to do with animals, which is very true, 211 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: but also inanimate objects and severed body parts. Yes, yeah, 212 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 2: that's true. How don't you go first give. 213 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: Us seven body if you want to go body parts? Yeah, yeah, 214 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: all right, Okay, this is one that really stood out 215 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: to me. There was a war between Great Britain and 216 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: Spain that began in October seventeen thirty nine, and it 217 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: eventually merged into the War of the Austrian Secession. This 218 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: war today is known as the War of Jenkins. 219 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,479 Speaker 2: Ear it was this Jenkins, Oh. 220 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: Yes, Jenkins, Jenkins Jenkins the Welsh master mariner Robert Jenkins, 221 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: who is now slightly less famous than his own ear. 222 00:12:57,880 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: So he was born around the seventeen thirties forties. He 223 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: was returning from a trading voyage in the West Indies 224 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: in charge of a brig named Rebecca in seventeen thirty 225 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: one when his ship was stopped and boarded by a 226 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: privateer a ship the law Isabella on suspicion of smuggling. 227 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 1: And here's where the story gets into allegedly territory. The 228 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: commander of Isabela was a guy named Juan de Leon Fandinho, 229 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: and he had Jenkins tied up to a mast. He 230 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 1: sliced one of Jenkinson's ears off with his sword and 231 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: then told him to tell the British King the same 232 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: will happen to him if he's caught doing the same. 233 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, this reminds me of reminds me of that scene 234 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: in Reservoir Dogs where mister Blonde played by Michael Madson 235 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: is torturing the poor tied up police officer undercover police officer, 236 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,400 Speaker 2: and he slices his ear off and he's dancing around 237 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 2: at him with his severed ear, pours gasoline on him 238 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 2: and all that stuff. Yeah, I wonder if I wonder 239 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 2: if that was inspired by the War of jenkins Ear. 240 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:10,199 Speaker 2: We can only hope I would love it if. 241 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: In an interview later, Quentin Tarantino says, okay, the you know, 242 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 1: the parrots out of the pouch. This parrot's out of 243 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: the purse or whatever. This is entirely my exploration. 244 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 2: Of the War of jenkins Ear. Yeah, but it was 245 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 2: a real thing. 246 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: So he survives, Jenkins survives, and which point out it 247 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: was his left ear according to the story. There's another 248 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: version of the story that was published in the Pennsylvania 249 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: Gazette in seventeen thirty one. Same year, it was October, 250 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: a few months after the event, and it says that 251 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: it was actually a Spanish lieutenant known as Dorsey who 252 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: cut off Jenkins's left ear, and then another Spanish crew 253 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: member took it and tore it off, but then gave 254 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: it back to him and said take that to the king. 255 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 1: I know, grizzly stuff. 256 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 2: Did we talk about the groundwork for this e ear? Beef? 257 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:02,680 Speaker 3: Like? 258 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: What were they what were they fighting for? 259 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: There was a lot of context already here, right, because. 260 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 2: This has got Southern roots, don't it like our neck 261 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: of the woods. 262 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, break it down a little bit, well, just just that. 263 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: It was a conflict between land. That was that the 264 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 2: Spanish and English were at odds over in South Carolina 265 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: and Florida. But this had been going on for like 266 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 2: hundreds of years, right, and then you had the formal 267 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 2: conflict starting in seventeen thirty nine, and this is you know, 268 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: Georgia had been founded as a colony by this point. 269 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can find excellent article on Georgia Encyclopedia dot 270 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: org about this by Julie and Sweet, and it really 271 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: I think drives home the significance of this for colonial 272 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 1: Georgia because in a lot of these cases, we're going 273 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: to see, with these various wars, there might be one 274 00:15:56,560 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: thing that happened that is a good story and so 275 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: we named the war or after that, but there's almost 276 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: always a ton of other context or other factors that 277 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: have commingled and driven the two nations of conflict into 278 00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: an open war. 279 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and the arrow that shot the she camel in 280 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 2: the neck? 281 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, there we go, exactly a nice way to 282 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 1: bring it back around nol So Robert Jenkins, we should 283 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: also point out what he was doing when he was smuggling, 284 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: he was also raiding Spanish ships. That's why he was 285 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:34,040 Speaker 1: being attacked and humiliated, but he did not die. They 286 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: after they let him go and with or without giving 287 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: him his ear, which remains a subject of debate today. 288 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: He made it back to Britain and in June of 289 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: the same year he told the King about what happened. 290 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: He gave a deposition that was passed to the Duke 291 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: of Newcastle, who at that time was the Secretary for 292 00:16:57,800 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: the Southern Colonies, so in charge of Georgia as well, 293 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: and he said that the Spanish captain quote took hold 294 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: of his left ear with his cutlass, slit it down, 295 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: and then another of the Spaniards took hold of it 296 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 1: and tore it off, but gave him the piece of 297 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 1: his ea. 298 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 2: Again, what do you think it would sound like to 299 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: have your ear ripped off? 300 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 1: It's probably like a wet lower sound actually, yeah, like 301 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 1: a no. No, it's wetter than that. 302 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: I think it would also, I would think it would 303 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 2: start low and then go high. No, I'm gonna rip. 304 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 2: It might go the other way around, because as you're 305 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: losing the year, I don't know. 306 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: And then you scream. You definitely scream. Oh, and what 307 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:32,480 Speaker 1: would it sound like to you? 308 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 2: Wow? If that doesn't what I mean, that's okay to 309 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 2: you in your own ear hole, that would be all 310 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,120 Speaker 2: that was left. We have gotten grizzly with this. 311 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 1: I think that's very interesting from a scientific perspective. 312 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know what you think you ever had 313 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:45,440 Speaker 2: your ear torn off? 314 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't do it just for this, No, please let 315 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: us know. So after this, there's another there's another myth here. 316 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:57,439 Speaker 1: You'll hear claims that in seventeen thirty eight, just before 317 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: the war formally begins, drink and tells his story in 318 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: an embellished version before members of the House of Commons, 319 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 1: and then part way through the story check this out, 320 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 1: he pulls out a jar where he's got his pickled ear. Yeah. 321 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: I think that's so weird. There's no proof though. 322 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 2: Well do you think, because in those days it's something 323 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 2: like that happened, do you think there was any hope 324 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: that you'd ever get it reattached? It was pretty much 325 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: just like it's done, right, Yeah, it's done. The best 326 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 2: you can do is put it in a jar to 327 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 2: show people. 328 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: At put if it's still if it's still like partially attached, 329 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: depend on how it was cut, it would be possible 330 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: maybe to sew it back together and hope for the best. 331 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: Right, But chances are I would just rot it would 332 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 2: like it would it would not? Yeah, yeah, right to us. 333 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: If you just ripped your ear off and then sewed 334 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,560 Speaker 1: it back, tell us what it's out. 335 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: With medical science, you know they can help you out. 336 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:51,880 Speaker 2: Back back in these days that the jar was about 337 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: the best you could hope for. You keep it on 338 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 2: the nightstand. 339 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 1: You use it as like a like a table setting, 340 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 1: piece of ice breaker. 341 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, good conversation starter. Yeah, what was the results? 342 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: He has the thing too about these wars again, so 343 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 2: much context, so much conflict. You get a name like 344 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 2: this attached to something because it's got it's got hootspot, 345 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: you know it. It gives it a sense of grandiosity 346 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 2: or whatever. It got legs, it's got well yeah, or ears. 347 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, Lets you have one ear. 348 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: But what was the outcome? 349 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: So eventually, whether or not he actually appeared with his 350 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: severity or in front of the House of Commons, the 351 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 1: Parliament begins pushing the King to seek compensation, redress apologies 352 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: from Spain. 353 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,880 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a theme in many of these conflicts. Yeah, 354 00:19:36,960 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 2: I don't think we got into it with the camel situation, 355 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,959 Speaker 2: but I bet you there was. Maybe they didn't. They 356 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: were so incense. There wasn't even discussion of pay me 357 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: for the loss of my camel. It was much more 358 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 2: based on just sheer outrage and the principles. 359 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: And they tried to send out right, Yeah, it's a shame. 360 00:19:54,480 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: But so they did attempt diplomacy. But by seventeen thirty 361 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: nine that was clearly not going to be a viable path. 362 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 1: So King George said in July tenth he told his 363 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: Admiralty Board to start quote initiating reprisals against Spain. 364 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 2: So at this point the Governor of the British Colony 365 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:34,199 Speaker 2: of Georgia, James Oglethorpe, got involved, and he amassed some 366 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: forces and went into Florida, took down some Spanish forts. 367 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 2: We've got your Fort Picolata, and you got your fort 368 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 2: San Francisco. Dupopo, puopo. I'm gonna go with poopo, p upo. Okay, 369 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with that. And yeah, I went into 370 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 2: parts of Florida, Saint Augustine along the Saint John's River, 371 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 2: and again fantastic information coming from Georgia and psyc the 372 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: Peda dot org and his aim was to cut off 373 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 2: supplies to the Spanish and you know, kind of head 374 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 2: them off of the pass and get those supplies from 375 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: the forts. Then the Spanish are going to arrive the 376 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 2: forces that were deployed in this situation. And that's kind 377 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 2: of what his whole strategy was. 378 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:29,479 Speaker 1: There, right right, and denying access to resources is a 379 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 1: tried and true method of warfare. 380 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 2: But I guess for whatever reason, it didn't quite work 381 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 2: out the way he wanted and he ended up having 382 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 2: to kind of take a step back and just seeing 383 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 2: where the pieces fell. When the Spanish finally did show 384 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: up and invade. 385 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 1: And that happened in the summer of seventeen forty two 386 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:54,320 Speaker 1: Spanish forces landed on the tip of Saint Simon's Island. 387 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: They got together to just the tip, just the tip, 388 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: they got together to attack Fort Frederica. Relation to our 389 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,679 Speaker 1: longtime friend Matt Frederick or maybe. 390 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: There is you know, know, we have to check. 391 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: But so Oglethorpe was having already having a problem with 392 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 1: organizing his army. I believe he had a lot of 393 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: diverse commanders and the siege that he had an attempted 394 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: didn't work because he could not coordinate the navel and 395 00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: land based assaults. But as soon as the English forces 396 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 1: got word of the Spanish parties arriving, I think they 397 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: found a scouting party Oglethorpe aggressively led a charge against 398 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: the Spanish. 399 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 2: What did they do? Well, I got one for you 400 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 2: in a question. Yeah, what's the difference between a battle 401 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: and a skirmish? 402 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 1: A battle in a skirmish? You know, I don't know 403 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: whether there is a technical, hard and fast difference. 404 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: It's like there between a fight versus a scrap. 405 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: You know, right right, or an argument versus a spat 406 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: a tiff. 407 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 2: Perhaps, Yeah, I think that's what it is. 408 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: So I would imagine if we're just speculating, anythink you 409 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: can go with me on this. If we're just speculating, 410 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: I would I would imagine that a skirmish is properly 411 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: lower in terms of number of people injured and number 412 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: of people killed. You know what I mean, It's like 413 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:15,679 Speaker 1: shots fired. 414 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 2: Well, my friend Webster describes a skirmish as an episode 415 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:24,440 Speaker 2: of irregular or unpremeditated fighting, especially between small or outlying 416 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 2: parts of armies. 417 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: Fleets, so ships in the night they bump into each other, 418 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: not the big show. 419 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And. 420 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: They go, holy smokes, they kill it's them, yeah, exactly, 421 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: and they freak out and then people die. Half the 422 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: people scream kill, half the people scream run. 423 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 2: And you know, I'm sure we know this too. You 424 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,720 Speaker 2: can use skirmish as a verb. You can, you can, 425 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: you can you know they's skirmishing? Mm hm yes, yes. 426 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: And also this is American English, which I love because 427 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,920 Speaker 1: it means we can use almost anything as a verb. 428 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: We can say that you got jenkins or you jinkins that. 429 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 2: For our purposes here, yeah, we're not a military history 430 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: deep dive show. The point being is that all of this, 431 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 2: all of these skirmishes and battles and fracases and TIFFs 432 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: and what have you and deaths all resulted from a 433 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 2: smuggler being kind of tortured, mister Blond style. 434 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: The story of a smuggler. 435 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 2: That's the thing, right, because the story is way cooler 436 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 2: because I'm already kind of getting a little snoozed out 437 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,560 Speaker 2: going through every little the stories. 438 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 1: But the stories are important in that they are the 439 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: easiest way to motivate absolute population. Ultimately, we fast forward 440 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: a bit. The end of this war occurs at the 441 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: Treaty of ax La Chappelle in seventeen forty eight, and 442 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: it returns all the colonial claims to the previous owners, 443 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:59,959 Speaker 1: and the two nations unofficially agree on the border between 444 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: Georgia and Florida. They name it, they say the Saint 445 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: John River the Saint John's River rather And because of 446 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: this war, because of ogle Thorpe's actions, and because, at 447 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: least in some aspect, because a guy named Robert Jenkins 448 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: got his ear cut off, Georgia remained an English possession. So, uh, 449 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: you know, if somebody, if your friend gets their ear 450 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,920 Speaker 1: cut off, don't don't feel like you have to wage 451 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: war over it. 452 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't go crying over sliced ears. Yeah you cry. 453 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 2: I'd cry. I don't know if it was my ear 454 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: or the ear of a loved one. 455 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: I would go into like deep meditation techniques to try 456 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: to not feel it. They got to a hospital or bandage. 457 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: I think, what sets what's what sets these stories not 458 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: a part at all, what puts them together, what joins 459 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 2: them is that it's these kind of simple acts that 460 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: have the power to push humans in positions to create huge, horrible, 461 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 2: long line consequences and conflicts to their limits. And they 462 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,400 Speaker 2: get it done. But as you say, we've talked about 463 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,560 Speaker 2: this constantly with these powder keg moments, and like history, 464 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 2: you always hear about the moment, but then the details 465 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 2: are always there, the context is. 466 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: Always so, and we find the moment retroactively too often. 467 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: You know, we have somebody who looks back when they're 468 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: writing about an event that occurredreds of years ago, and 469 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: they go, oh, it's because that it's that fart, that's 470 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: what it was. But we have more examples, and no, 471 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: you found one that really fascinated me. 472 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 2: All right, Well, I had two, one about an inanimate 473 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 2: object and one about an animal. Which one would you 474 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 2: like to hear? Oh? 475 00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,760 Speaker 1: Man, okay, let's let's go to the inanimate object and 476 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: then because it'd be nice to circle back with the animal. 477 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I'm down with that. The inanimate object in question, 478 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 2: my friend, is a bucket. 479 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: A bucket? 480 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: A bucket? 481 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: Could I ask you just this is an honest question. 482 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 1: Is this thing gonna end up being called the bucket War? 483 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, or the War of the Buckets, or you know, 484 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 2: the the Skirmish of the pale I love it, ok yeah, whatever, 485 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 2: But this one was pretty gnarly, you know, as was 486 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 2: the we didn't talk about deaths in the jenkins Ear War. 487 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 1: A lot of people died. It's cool, very tragedy, not cool. 488 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 2: I figured as much. No, not, I mean cool, like 489 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: the cool day that it's meant like cool. We got 490 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: that out. We admitted that war is tragic or people die. 491 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,359 Speaker 2: It's heck, as you say, is that an acronym? What 492 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 2: is heck? It's a good, good, good, clean Christian boy 493 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: stand in for the other word. Yep, yeah, which we 494 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 2: can say on the show is a PG thirteen show. 495 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: I know, but I like saying heck. 496 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 2: I know. It's very endearing. Thank you. 497 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,680 Speaker 1: So the bucket War, the bucket War. When did this happen? 498 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 2: Well, I was in thirteen twenty five. And this also 499 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: involves clashes between let's call them clans, I guess, for 500 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,200 Speaker 2: lack of a better No, it's fine, we want to 501 00:27:59,240 --> 00:27:59,679 Speaker 2: need a better one. 502 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: We're gonna go with clans, family, family, communities, right, or 503 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: they're bonded through a biological relationship, right. 504 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 2: This is right, this is correct. And you know medieval society, 505 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 2: family was everything, right, and you would organize around family, 506 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 2: and it was all about your house. And you know 507 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 2: that you know and I'm just using Game of Thrones 508 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: rules here, but I'm pretty sure that was all based 509 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: on our boy. George or Martin did his homework so 510 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,720 Speaker 2: we didn't have to. 511 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, just check out his audio books. 512 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 2: You need to finish those books though, George. Come on, man, 513 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,439 Speaker 2: the show is happening. 514 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,159 Speaker 1: It's it's never coming out. 515 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:35,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this particular clash of clans was between the 516 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 2: the Ghibelines and the Gelfs. 517 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 1: He sound like made up Doctor Who Aliens. 518 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 2: Yes, the Guelfs. Maybe it was Gelflings, but that was 519 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 2: in the dark Crystal, I think. Yeah, the little puppet 520 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 2: guys and the bad guys were the slee Stacks. That 521 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 2: that's close. They were the Skexies. Skexies what a slee Stacks. 522 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: Slee Stacks are from Land of the Lost. Do you 523 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: remember that show? 524 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 3: Oh? 525 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the dimator kind of thing where it was like 526 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: time travel. They accidentally stepped through a portal into the 527 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 2: Land of the Lost. 528 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's always explained in the theme song, Oh 529 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: I love it, I love it. They're like we were 530 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: in a boat and then you're living in a Land 531 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: of the Lost. Yeah, there are slea Stacks were evil 532 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 1: creatures who would evolve to anthropomorphoid forms from reptile. 533 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, well there's none of that in those particular conflicts. 534 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 2: This is strictly human. No reptilians or weird little elf 535 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 2: people fashioned by the Jim Henson studio. Well, buckets, right, 536 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 2: definitely buckets. So here's the thing. I might need little 537 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 2: help from you with this, because these are always just 538 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 2: like a bit of a mind sure, a mind frack. 539 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 2: You've got these warring sides that support different head honchos 540 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 2: of God. Right, yes, so we've got the Holy Roman 541 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 2: Emperor Frederick Barbosa, who was also the King of Germany, 542 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 2: and then you have the Pope. 543 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, you specifically have Pope John twenty two. 544 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 2: All this began are kicked off in earnest or this 545 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: conflict in the region when the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick 546 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: Barbosa invaded Italy, and he did this with what he 547 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 2: believed was God's blessing, as like like crowning him for 548 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,719 Speaker 2: all intents and purposes as God's conduit on Earth. But 549 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,760 Speaker 2: that didn't fly super well with others who believed that 550 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,200 Speaker 2: the Pope was the only one that was crowned with 551 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 2: God's conduitness. 552 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: And that was the normal thing, right, that was the 553 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: established norm. And you were telling me that the Gelphs 554 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: and the Ghibelines were on different sides of this. 555 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 2: That is absolutely correct, because you see, the Ghibelines supported 556 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 2: the Emperor, the Holy Roman Emperor in this conflict, and 557 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 2: the Guelphs supported the Pope, and Italy was just a 558 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 2: use agglomeration. He taught me that word ben and I'm 559 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: gonna keep using it. Of these little city states kind 560 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 2: of and like the story we talked about with the 561 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 2: Albasis War and honestly with jenkins Ear, you've got these 562 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: folks that think they own the border. Like if you're 563 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 2: at a border area, you're like, no, this is mine. 564 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,400 Speaker 2: Because there's no official lines. It's probably based on some 565 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 2: geographical thing, but that's all up for debate, especially when 566 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 2: you start beefing with each other. And so eventually Frederick 567 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 2: was ousted, They kicked him out. He was done. He 568 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 2: now the Pope ultimately ranged supreme in these early disagreements, 569 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: but that did not mean that there were not sympathizers 570 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 2: that remained. So he kind of had his ultimate fu 571 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: moment by leaving the country kind of completely divided. Right, 572 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,719 Speaker 2: So you still have these warring city states, and then 573 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 2: you had these opposing you know groups. I think it's 574 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: the pope who is the direct communicator with God. I 575 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: think it's the Holy Roman m for now we fight. 576 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: And it's complicated because with these shifting borders for these 577 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 1: city states, one state could largely support the Holy Roman 578 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,480 Speaker 1: Emperor and one state could largely support the Pope. And 579 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: the problem is that these could be very close together, 580 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: especially in the example of Modina and Bologna. 581 00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 2: Right, yes, and I think at the top of this 582 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 2: section I mentioned that this took place in Castello de 583 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 2: serraval and in the region that is Emilia Romagna. That's 584 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 2: what it would be referred to as today. At the 585 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 2: time of this story, they were, as you say, ben 586 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,959 Speaker 2: Modemia and Bologna. 587 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: And those are barely thirty miles apart, or maybe around 588 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: thirty thirty one miles apart. So tensions are always always 589 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: going to be high. They're virtually adjacent to each other. 590 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: It seems like an unsustainable situation. I'm just guessing. 591 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: And here here we are back with lot of skirmishes 592 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,000 Speaker 2: because they're gonna be caught, They're not going to be 593 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 2: full all out wars. They're just gonna be little conflicts 594 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 2: between folks standing on opposite sides of the particular borders. 595 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 2: And this bucket war here we go is just such 596 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: an event. 597 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 1: They're raiding farms and they're burning. 598 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: Fields, generally thumbing the nose of the opposition, you know, 599 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 2: and just kind of trying to mess them up because 600 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: they fundamentally disagree with what everything they stand for, and 601 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 2: yet they're somehow neighbors. Right, Okay, all right, so Ben, 602 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,720 Speaker 2: as you say, in thirteen twenty five, we've got these 603 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 2: uh what mini fights, these skirmishes, fightlets. Oh yes, we're 604 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,960 Speaker 2: going with that's that's the new way. And they just 605 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 2: keep happening, and then things keep escalating. Then finally in 606 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: July you've got some of these bolonnaise. I can't say 607 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 2: that without getting hungry into delicious. 608 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: So we have our computers up to eight and I 609 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: want to confess to you and everyone listening, fellow ridiculous historians, 610 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: when we started saying bolotese, I may have googled bolletes 611 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 1: recipe and started planning what to make for dinner. 612 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 2: Well maybe you know what, maybe we can bump that 613 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 2: right on up to lunch because there's a lovely popsa 614 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 2: place downstairs, and we've been at it a long time. 615 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: Today we owe it to ourselves. Let's treat ourselves. It's 616 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,800 Speaker 2: Friday anyway, though, as you say, slaughtering folks, burning fields, 617 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 2: just making a mess, looting and polluting all that stuff, 618 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,400 Speaker 2: and they end up taking a bunch of stuff back 619 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:38,200 Speaker 2: with them over the border. They keep doing this. They're 620 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,280 Speaker 2: just doing a lot of damage, really really really reckon 621 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:46,280 Speaker 2: the place. And then in September you got some revenge 622 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:50,319 Speaker 2: being exacted because some of these troops were captured, and 623 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 2: you know, the Modenese had had it. So in under 624 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: cover of dark, the Modanese soldiers or a group of them, 625 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 2: they snuck across the border into the city center and 626 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 2: next to something called the San Felice Gate, where they 627 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 2: found an oaken bucket filled with loot, with booty that 628 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 2: belonged to Modina originally plunder that's right, and said bucket 629 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 2: was nabbed, was nicked. They took it and put it 630 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 2: under their arms and ran back and showed it off 631 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,280 Speaker 2: in their city center for all of the Emotonese to see. 632 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: Right, and for the residents of Bologna to see as well, 633 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,959 Speaker 1: so the people at Bologna are furious and they say, 634 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: give us back that bucket. They better have that stuff 635 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 1: we stole earlier at it too. It is pretty hypocritical 636 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: that they were angry that's something they had stolen, had 637 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: just been restolen. 638 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 2: Yes, it's pretty petty and childlike behavior, but again we're 639 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 2: seeing that with all these stories, So that's kind of 640 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 2: they demanded the return of the bucket. I guess they 641 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 2: were more concerned about the booty, but I haven't seen 642 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:10,280 Speaker 2: specifically what it was. I'm imagining it's maybe coin plundered 643 00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 2: from I just picturing like role playing games there all 644 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,480 Speaker 2: the money. It's just in like sacks that are just 645 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 2: littered around the place, emeralds or something. You just kind 646 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 2: of step on it and then you hear a kit 647 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,800 Speaker 2: chi chin sound and then it shows up in your inventory. 648 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: You know what it probably I can tell you what 649 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 1: it probably wasn't. It probably was not a religious artifactor 650 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,319 Speaker 1: or reliquary, because then the war would have been named 651 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: after that instead of the bucket. Probably just like straight 652 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: up cash money or fine fine clothing. 653 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, And speaking of which, that's when this particular conflict 654 00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:46,720 Speaker 2: began in earnest On November fifteenth of thirteen twenty five, 655 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 2: a guy by the name of Mala Testino del Occio, 656 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 2: who was the Lord of Remini, led his people the 657 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 2: Bolanese and any allies they had been able to amass 658 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 2: to besiege the city state of Mardinia and get that 659 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:06,839 Speaker 2: bucket back. 660 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: So ridiculous, man. So they were met by a pretty 661 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: strong resistant soldiers from Modina, Mantua and Ferrara, as well 662 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: as some Germans sent by our boy, the Holy Roman 663 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: Emperor Frederick. 664 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Frederick himself, that's right, but not to be bested 665 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 2: the pope in question XXIII. He sent thirty thousand, so 666 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,279 Speaker 2: they were vastly outnumbered. 667 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's in the additional couple thousand knights on horseback. 668 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,520 Speaker 1: So what we're seeing happen here is a proxy war 669 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: essentially over a bucket that, again, you know, in defense 670 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,359 Speaker 1: of the bucket was not empty. So the Modenese, as 671 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,400 Speaker 1: you said, nol were pretty well out numbered. 672 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, where they have like six thousand troops I think 673 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 2: a combination of foot soldiers and horseman as well. And yeah, 674 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 2: they went at. 675 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 1: It and despite those numbers, they really kicked some solid 676 00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: tookts absolutely. 677 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, they did something that read where they they disrupted 678 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,239 Speaker 2: it's called a route. They disrupted the activities and the 679 00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:20,919 Speaker 2: organization of the larger army. And that's the thing, right, Yeah, 680 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 2: smaller force you can get out numbered, but it's a 681 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 2: little easier to control maybe and everybody and check your 682 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 2: nimble and the larger force. If you can disrupt their 683 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,479 Speaker 2: communications with this thing called a route, you can cause 684 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 2: chaos and their ranks and they're not going to know 685 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 2: which way is up. 686 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I think that's a very important point, especially 687 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: for this story. So the Modonese succeeded, but this was 688 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,800 Speaker 1: a bloody conflict by this point, right. 689 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we had we lost about two thousand 690 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,239 Speaker 2: on both sides, which I would have just thought it 691 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 2: would have just been a total blood bath from the 692 00:38:55,120 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: pope led thirty thirty two thousand, you know, against the 693 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 2: only seven thousand, But only about two thousand lives were 694 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 2: lost on both sides. But that's pretty insane. That's a 695 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,680 Speaker 2: lot of it's a lot of people, yeah, over a bucket. 696 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's that's my next big question that's burning 697 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: in my mind. First, what happened after this? Did the 698 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 1: war end? And even more importantly, what happened to the bucket? 699 00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, the war did eventually end. It raged on until 700 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:25,279 Speaker 2: fifteen twenty nine, when we've got Charles of Spain, the 701 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 2: first that is, who by that point became a holy 702 00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 2: Roman emperor. That's the thing you can inherit that, I guess. 703 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,600 Speaker 1: But I feel like Brad Pitt's character at the end 704 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: of seven, I keep going, what's in the bucket? 705 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh well, we don't. I don't know. I think 706 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,080 Speaker 2: that's lost to time because now the bucket does remain 707 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,920 Speaker 2: in its just bucket form, and you can see it 708 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 2: in Modena and it's at the Tora de la Giralandina 709 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 2: and that's just, like I guess, a mock up of it, right, okay, yeah, yeah, 710 00:39:56,640 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: just you know, to commemorate the day and the one 711 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,759 Speaker 2: though you can find at the Palazzo Communal. 712 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,960 Speaker 1: Even today, the modern day, I believe. So that's so cool. 713 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:09,440 Speaker 2: Book your tickets now, book. 714 00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: Your bucket tickets. I've never been sow into a bucket. 715 00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,560 Speaker 2: What if somebody had that bucket on their bucket lists? 716 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 2: There we go. What if a bucket list was just 717 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 2: a list of famous buckets that you see before you done. 718 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: I was thinking the same thing you mind, reader, Let's 719 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,279 Speaker 1: make let's make a bucket list. I want to find 720 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: more famous buckets in history. 721 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,720 Speaker 2: So huge props to Shehan Russell from a war history 722 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,319 Speaker 2: online for the bloodiest Medieval war was fought because of 723 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:38,160 Speaker 2: a bucket, because I Pilford heavily from that article for 724 00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 2: this one. But it's a fun story. Fun that's not 725 00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 2: the right word for it. But it's a ridiculous story 726 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 2: because it just goes to show how the simplest things 727 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: and the pettiest interactions can lead to serious bloodshed. 728 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: It's kind of like that old line where if you 729 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:58,160 Speaker 1: already decided that you don't like someone, whatever they do 730 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: is just going to make you not like them. Still, 731 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how innocuous it is. And that applies 732 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: to states and nations that want. 733 00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 2: To go to war. 734 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: If they need it causes ballet, or they need a 735 00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,759 Speaker 1: reason to go to war, they can just find one. 736 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: Oh man, okay, everyone off off air. We checked what 737 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,280 Speaker 1: time we were at and we got so into this that, Noel, 738 00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:27,840 Speaker 1: do you realize we've been We've been fascinated by buckets, 739 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: ears and camels for like an hour. 740 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 2: Oh my buckets. Here the cavels. Oh bye, I'm fine 741 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,239 Speaker 2: with that, though, you know, we gave them their due 742 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,279 Speaker 2: and then and there's just one that we're gonna I 743 00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:40,799 Speaker 2: think we're gonna leave on the table. So once again 744 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,959 Speaker 2: we kind of over prepared. But I guess it's better 745 00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,279 Speaker 2: than under delivering. Sure, that's what I always say. Yeah, so, yeah, 746 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:48,920 Speaker 2: we got two that we're leaving on the table. But 747 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,680 Speaker 2: maybe we'll just turn those in episodes of their own, 748 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 2: because each one of these could have really been an 749 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 2: episode on their own. 750 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: That's that's true, except the camel one. 751 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,640 Speaker 2: I guess it. 752 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: Depends on how much we want to learn about pre 753 00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 1: Islam tribal relations and the biology of camels. 754 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,479 Speaker 2: But that is Can you milk a camel? Yeah? 755 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: You can? You can milk a camel? Is it gonna 756 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:09,400 Speaker 1: be worth it? 757 00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 758 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,759 Speaker 1: Did you know you can milk pigs too? 759 00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:12,560 Speaker 3: Well? 760 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,000 Speaker 2: I mean I've seen, you know, you always see the 761 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 2: little pig that's suckling on the big the big sal Yeah, 762 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,359 Speaker 2: so I'm assuming that. Yeah, you hear about pig milk though. 763 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think we used it once in a 764 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,000 Speaker 1: story on a different show, just because it's such a 765 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:29,760 Speaker 1: weird term. But we digress, and yes, that is part 766 00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 1: of the nature of Ridiculous History. Today we are going 767 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,919 Speaker 1: to wrap it up. Stay tuned for possible future explanations 768 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: of the two ridiculous wars we did not get to today. 769 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: In the meantime, we of course always want to hear 770 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,879 Speaker 1: from you. Let us know your favorite ridiculous cause of 771 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 1: a conflict, a skirmish, or a war. You can do 772 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,839 Speaker 1: it in any number of ways. We are all over 773 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,080 Speaker 1: the internet. You can find us on Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, 774 00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: and of course one of our favorite places online, Ridiculous Historians. 775 00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 2: Yeah it's true. We actually just recorded a future episode 776 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,000 Speaker 2: that features a lot of the amazing humans on that 777 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 2: community page. So if you want to be a part 778 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 2: of that and get in on the fund, you can 779 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 2: go to Ridiculous Historians on Facebook and asked to be 780 00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,480 Speaker 2: a member unless you're like clearly a awful person, where 781 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,680 Speaker 2: we'll let you you know, you all are welcome. 782 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: And again, just to be completely completely clear, do not 783 00:43:26,640 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 1: cut off your ears. 784 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 2: No, yeah, don't do a van go just just don't 785 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,960 Speaker 2: do it even to make your point just not worth it. 786 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: And we want to of course thank our super producer, 787 00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: Casey Pegram. We want to thank Alex Williams, who composed 788 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: this track. 789 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,759 Speaker 2: We'd also like to thank Christopher Hasiotis, who I had 790 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:47,240 Speaker 2: a good old time with on the Louis Louis episode 791 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,680 Speaker 2: hanging out with in Person, and I think listeners did 792 00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 2: as well, for being our a number one super bad 793 00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 2: plus research guy. We really appreciate a lot and he 794 00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 2: kind of helped kick us off down this road of 795 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 2: ridiculous conflicts. 796 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,200 Speaker 1: And of course thank you, specifically you. This show does 797 00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: not exist without you, so feel free to like our 798 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:12,280 Speaker 1: show on your various platforms of choice, and if you're 799 00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: feeling charitable, leave us a review. It always makes our day, 800 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:16,720 Speaker 1: it really does. 801 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,680 Speaker 2: And yeah, as I just tease a minute ago, next time, 802 00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,080 Speaker 2: we will be exploring some really really cool stuff that 803 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,719 Speaker 2: was pitched on our Ridiculous Historians page and I think 804 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 2: there's a lot to like and chew on in that one. 805 00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,520 Speaker 2: So we hope you'll join us then and we will 806 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 2: see you next time. 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