WEBVTT - The Sargasso Sea

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, the production of

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<v Speaker 1>My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. And

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<v Speaker 1>today we're going to go into the wettest of the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>the saltiest of the woods. Today. The woods are salty,

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<v Speaker 1>dark and deep. And we have promises to keep and

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<v Speaker 1>miles to float before we sleep, because we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be looking at a sort of jungle in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right. Uh. The ocean. Uh, it knows quite a

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<v Speaker 1>mix of environments, from rich coral reefs to desolate deep

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<v Speaker 1>sea waste from sunlit shallows to hydrothermal vent heated depths.

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<v Speaker 1>Marine organisms, of course, face numerous challenges, but the most

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<v Speaker 1>basic demands boiled down to, you know, how not to end,

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<v Speaker 1>how not to die, how to prolong. It's era to

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<v Speaker 1>quote way for the barbarians, but this is especially true

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<v Speaker 1>if you're small or your young organism. You're gonna need

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<v Speaker 1>food and you're gonna need shelter. Uh. And there's always

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be something trying to eat you. And for a

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<v Speaker 1>number of organisms, this is provided by sargassum, a genus

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<v Speaker 1>of brown seaweed of sometimes brown, sometimes described as brown

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<v Speaker 1>and orange um as well. Discuss there a number of

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<v Speaker 1>different species here, But UH sargassum thrives abundantly in the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>It floats free of the ocean floor. It provides a buoyant,

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<v Speaker 1>free floating environment that travels on the tides and offers food, refuge,

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<v Speaker 1>breeding grounds, nurseries, hunting grounds, et cetera for a wide

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<v Speaker 1>variety of organisms. So in this episode, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>discuss the sargassum organisms themselves, the environment that they offer,

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<v Speaker 1>some of its benefactors, and also the problems posed by

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<v Speaker 1>the so called Great Atlantic sargassum belt. Yeah, and that

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<v Speaker 1>last point is interesting because I will say, when you

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<v Speaker 1>think of of seaweed, do you think of the macroalgay world,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't usually think of it as something that is

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<v Speaker 1>particularly economically devastating or or even economically all that significant.

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<v Speaker 1>But but that that is not the case for sarcassum.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah as well. It's it's it's an interesting topic to

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<v Speaker 1>explore because in its present form it kind of cuts

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<v Speaker 1>both ways. It's both vitally important to UH to so

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<v Speaker 1>many organisms and a number of organisms that are then

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<v Speaker 1>important to us. You know various um, uh, you know

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<v Speaker 1>marine species that we depend on, various fish and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>But then on the other hand, uh, in an environment

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<v Speaker 1>that is increasingly out of balance, Uh, it also poses

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<v Speaker 1>a threat, and it can pose quite a nuisance. So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into all that. So what got you thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about sarcassum for today, Rob, Well, it's because tomorrow's episode

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<v Speaker 1>of Weird howse Cinema will entail sargassum and casual mention

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<v Speaker 1>of a few of the creatures. One creature in particular

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<v Speaker 1>that calls at home. Um. Well, we'll try to save

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<v Speaker 1>all of that for tomorrow's episode. But but yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was probably the first place I heard of sargassum, the

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<v Speaker 1>weed of deceit. I was wondering if we should announce

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, but maybe we should just make everyone wait

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<v Speaker 1>to find out they're going to be wondering. Wait, is

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<v Speaker 1>it a Jaws clone where it's a big raft of

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<v Speaker 1>seaweed instead of a shark? Is it like the Blair

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<v Speaker 1>Witch Project, but instead of getting lost in the woods

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<v Speaker 1>of Virginia or wherever it is, you get lost in

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<v Speaker 1>the woods of the ocean of the Sargasso Sea. Well

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<v Speaker 1>that the truth will just suddenly strike out at them

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<v Speaker 1>and there'll be nothing they can do about it. Uh So,

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<v Speaker 1>so tune in tomorrow if you wish for that. But

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<v Speaker 1>but for this episode, we're going to focus on first

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<v Speaker 1>on on sargassum, the the organism. So sargassum glimpsed in

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean or on the beach, it might just look

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<v Speaker 1>like a big heap of brown mess. But about closer look,

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<v Speaker 1>you'll notice that it's composed of branches, leafy bits, and

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<v Speaker 1>what looks like plump berries. But they're not berries, So

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<v Speaker 1>don't don't pick them. Uh, I mean, I guess you

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<v Speaker 1>could pick them. But what they are actually are neumaticists.

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<v Speaker 1>These are air bubbles um. Uh. They are part of

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<v Speaker 1>the organism held that you know, in in these little

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<v Speaker 1>cysts that help it excel at floating around. Right. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of course, there are different types of seaweed, and some

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<v Speaker 1>types of seaweed spend their life, you know, submerged in

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<v Speaker 1>the water, and they might be say, anchored down by

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<v Speaker 1>a type of organ known as a hold fast that

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<v Speaker 1>is somewhat analogous to like the root ball of a

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<v Speaker 1>tree that holds it, except in the case of seaweed,

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<v Speaker 1>it would hold clumps of seaweed to the ocean floor.

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<v Speaker 1>Not entirely analogous. I mean for many reasons, one of

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<v Speaker 1>which is that UH is that the seaweed that we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about today is technically not even a plant. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a type of macroalgae, which will explain more about.

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<v Speaker 1>But in the case of sargassum, Uh, there are types

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<v Speaker 1>of sargassum that are free floating organisms that spend much

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<v Speaker 1>or all of their I was just floating on top

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<v Speaker 1>of the water to have good access to sunlight, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>which they need in order to make their food to survive.

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<v Speaker 1>But they've got to just sit there and float on

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<v Speaker 1>the top. And they're actually not even anchored to the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom at all. They just float out in the open ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>And I do just want to stress again that the

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<v Speaker 1>genus is sargassum, and there I believe about a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty species um all of sargassum. Uh. The hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty number, I got that from the Ocean Foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>though curiously I saw some higher numbers out there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if those were accurate. I'm sticking with

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<v Speaker 1>the one, right. So there are different kinds that you'll

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<v Speaker 1>find especially in different parts of the oceans around the world. Right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And we'll be talking about some key ones though, that

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<v Speaker 1>are the most abundant or at least in the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the part of the world that we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>discussing here. So, as I mentioned, sargassum is a brown macroalgay,

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<v Speaker 1>so it is different than plants. And how exactly is

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<v Speaker 1>it different than plants? Yeah, I think this is also

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<v Speaker 1>important to stress because if you don't think much about seaweed,

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<v Speaker 1>you might just you know, you know, you might just assume, well, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's some sort of plant that grows in the water. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that you might be reasonable to make

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<v Speaker 1>that assumption just based on its physical appearance. And certainly

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<v Speaker 1>the word seaweed um, weeds are plants. Yeah, And and

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<v Speaker 1>seaweed is also used informally a lot of times to

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<v Speaker 1>describe both the algae and some plant organisms. But the

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<v Speaker 1>algae are protests, meaning they are uh eukaryotic organisms which

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<v Speaker 1>are not animals, plants or fungi um. So land plants,

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<v Speaker 1>for their part, they likely derived from fresh water algae

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<v Speaker 1>about five hundred million years ago. And algae is of course,

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<v Speaker 1>when we look at the just the root of the

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<v Speaker 1>word um. They're synonymous with seaweed, as alga is the

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<v Speaker 1>Latin for seaweed. Okay, so if you if you just

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<v Speaker 1>think about algae like the most I would say, if

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<v Speaker 1>I was to go on my own personal life experience,

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<v Speaker 1>when I hear the word algae by itself, what I

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<v Speaker 1>tend to think of is kind of green en pond scum,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of very like something floating on top

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<v Speaker 1>of a stagnant freshwater body like a pond or a lake,

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<v Speaker 1>that is made of tiny little fibers that just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of clumped together, doesn't have any recognizable macro structures the

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<v Speaker 1>way larger plants like like flowers or trees would. But

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<v Speaker 1>that is not true of all kinds of algae. These

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<v Speaker 1>macro algaes that we see in these types of seaweed,

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<v Speaker 1>they have more complex structures that are more like the

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<v Speaker 1>structures of land plants. So they might have something that

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<v Speaker 1>is akin to the stalk of a land plant and

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<v Speaker 1>something that is akin to the leaves. In these cases,

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<v Speaker 1>they would be algal fronds. Yes, yeah, so yeah, again,

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<v Speaker 1>they look very plant like. You can easily look at

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<v Speaker 1>them and say, oh, they're they'll leaves, they're the berries.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh, at any rate, again, a hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>different species of sargassum. Uh, though we're generally gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about specific dominant species with in given regions. For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>the two varieties found most often in the Caribbean are

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<v Speaker 1>Sargassum Natan's and Sargassum fluettans um. I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>would be necessary to remember that, but just know that again,

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna we're probably gonna refer to sargassum a lot,

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<v Speaker 1>just generally, but we're gonna ultimately be dealing with specific

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<v Speaker 1>species that are dominant within a given a region. So

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<v Speaker 1>sargassum reproduces a sexually through fragmentation, a form of a

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<v Speaker 1>sexual reproduction in which parents split into fragments and those

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<v Speaker 1>fragments then become adults. And furthermore, the Caribbean sargasm species

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, and some of these other varieties that are

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<v Speaker 1>important are hollow pelagic. That means that they not only

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<v Speaker 1>float freely on the ocean, but they also reproduce vegetatively

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<v Speaker 1>on the high seas. So they're they're completely in international waters.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they're they're they're they're a monkey knife fight

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<v Speaker 1>that the land has no control over. So yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>that would mean that they don't They can do their

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<v Speaker 1>whole life cycle without like anchoring to the bottom at

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<v Speaker 1>any point or returning to shore or anything like that. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's gonna that's gonna becoming important later on. It

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<v Speaker 1>get it really gets Nultimately the idea of sargassum being

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<v Speaker 1>the wheed of deceit, so it grows abundantly in the ocean,

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<v Speaker 1>where it forms vast floating rafts, as it's sometimes called,

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<v Speaker 1>though um I don't think these are rafts in the

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<v Speaker 1>sense that you could, you know, be a shipwrecked sailor

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<v Speaker 1>at sea and climb on top of it or hoist

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<v Speaker 1>a sail on it, But essentially just big rafts, big

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<v Speaker 1>floating chunks of of the sargassum, all tingled together, stretching

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases for miles, and these form in areas

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<v Speaker 1>of converging surface currents, and in doing so they create

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<v Speaker 1>a vital environment, like re alluded to earlier. But on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the environment, the organism itself provides food. According

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<v Speaker 1>to the Ocean Foundation, sargassum contributes and estimated six of

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<v Speaker 1>the total primary production in the upper one meter of

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<v Speaker 1>the water column. Okay, so that would refer to like

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<v Speaker 1>different different stages of the food chain. So you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the primary producers that are familiar to us. These are

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<v Speaker 1>generally photosynthesizing organisms, like like plants on land, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that absorb sunlight to power the chemical reactions that make

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<v Speaker 1>their bodies. And then you've got the secondary, uh, characters

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<v Speaker 1>on the food chain that eat the primary producers. You

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<v Speaker 1>know that that eat plants to survive. The same thing

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<v Speaker 1>is true in the ocean. So you've got these primary

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<v Speaker 1>producers that are at least near the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>water column are going to be basing their their energy

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<v Speaker 1>cycle on sunlight to to produce these molecules that make

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<v Speaker 1>up their body that that in turn are eaten by

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<v Speaker 1>other organisms that are the sort of the secondary organisms

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<v Speaker 1>in that food chain. Yeah, it's it's like you said

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<v Speaker 1>at the very beginning, this is the forest that we're discussing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like in a way, don't think of the ocean itself

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<v Speaker 1>as the forest. Think of the think of the sargassum.

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<v Speaker 1>These going to these rafts of sargassum as the forest.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the ocean, as we've discussed on the show before,

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<v Speaker 1>the ocean can be a wasteland, the ocean can be

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<v Speaker 1>a desert and um and in that desert, the sargassum

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<v Speaker 1>can be the oasis um. It serves as a place

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<v Speaker 1>of refuge for various creatures as well as again breeding

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<v Speaker 1>grounds nurseries. In fact, it's the primary nursery for a

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<v Speaker 1>number of important to human to humans, especially fish species

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<v Speaker 1>like the ma ma. And given all of this activity

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<v Speaker 1>that's going on at the various creatures that call it home,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes exclusively uh, their home, it's also prime stalking zone

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<v Speaker 1>for many marine predators. So both sargasm predators who live

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<v Speaker 1>there and have evolved a thrive in its environment, but

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<v Speaker 1>also general marine apex predators that are drawn in by

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<v Speaker 1>the by by the riches there by the biodiversity. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see if a few other just sort of general

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<v Speaker 1>um facts about sargassum. It can survive wide temperature and

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<v Speaker 1>salinity variances, and after about a year, those new maticists

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<v Speaker 1>that help it to remain buoyant, uh, they lose their

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<v Speaker 1>buoyancy and bits of sargassum will then sync to the

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<v Speaker 1>sea floor where it will actually end up providing carbon

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<v Speaker 1>for various deep sea creatures. So it's not only an

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<v Speaker 1>important energy source for the sunlit shallow regions of the sea,

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<v Speaker 1>but for the dark depths as well. I guess, serving

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<v Speaker 1>as kind of like that that nutrient rainfall that we've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about before that rains upon the deep and indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>when it washes up on the shore, uh, I guess

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<v Speaker 1>for for the most part we're talking about it. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's washing up in manageable quantities um, it can actually

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<v Speaker 1>nourish beaches, it can prevent sand from blowing away. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And when it washes up, it also serves as a

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<v Speaker 1>food source for various coastal species um. And not only

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<v Speaker 1>is it generally not harmful to humans, it's actually edible.

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<v Speaker 1>More on that in a bit. UH. There are also

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<v Speaker 1>possible biofuel and pharmaceutical possibilities for sargassum um. We'll get

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<v Speaker 1>into some of the drawbacks later on, but but one

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<v Speaker 1>of the interesting things here is that like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of just sargassum piling up on the beach again in

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<v Speaker 1>manageable quality quant quantities does bring to mind that sort

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<v Speaker 1>of contest, that disagreement at times over what constitutes the

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<v Speaker 1>beach or what the beach should look like. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>should there be anything on the beach other than um

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<v Speaker 1>human strolling and enjoying their vacation. You know. Uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the some of the really beautiful beaches out there,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of times they are manicured. You know, things

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<v Speaker 1>like seaweed are collected regularly in order to have that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of Hollywood beach presented. Uh. And in many cases

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<v Speaker 1>there's an argument to me, may then no debris would

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<v Speaker 1>be on the beach naturally, and it in the right quantities,

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<v Speaker 1>it can be important to keeping the sand from washing away,

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<v Speaker 1>keeping the beach from eroding, etcetera. I can see the

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<v Speaker 1>point of view that would say, I'm okay with the

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<v Speaker 1>beach that has natural debris, but not unmanageable amounts of

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<v Speaker 1>natural debris or artificial debris. I mean, you certainly you

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<v Speaker 1>know you don't want too many beer cans. That's going

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of ruin your beach experience. Yeah, nobody wants

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<v Speaker 1>to step on a beer can on the beach, But likewise,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody really wants to have to walk over a tin

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<v Speaker 1>foot high mound of sargassum like dead, rotting seaweed. Right

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<v Speaker 1>right now, Um, we're gonna be getting into the history

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<v Speaker 1>of humanity's awareness and understanding of sargassum here and the

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<v Speaker 1>first bit I want to share is that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly early sailors described sargassum mats, and one individual in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>Christopher Columbus. Uh, this was in when abundant sargassum fooled

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<v Speaker 1>Columbus into thinking he was approaching land. And I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>find anything that really defined this for me. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if you did, Joe, but I assume this is

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<v Speaker 1>what the term the weed of Deceit refers to the

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<v Speaker 1>idea that you might encounter sargassum mats out at sea,

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<v Speaker 1>and you could make the same air that Columbus made

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<v Speaker 1>and think, oh, look at all the seaweed. Uh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>it's thick, it's everywhere. We must be really close to

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<v Speaker 1>land at this point. Sure, I don't know that that's

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<v Speaker 1>where the name comes from, the that makes sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So on September Columbus Road, and this is of course

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<v Speaker 1>translated quote, we have begun to see large patches of

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<v Speaker 1>yellowish green weed which seems to have been torn away

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<v Speaker 1>from some islander. Reef. I know better because I make

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<v Speaker 1>the mainland to be farther on and then on September

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<v Speaker 1>sevent I saw a great deal of weed today from

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<v Speaker 1>rocks that lie to the west. I take this to

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<v Speaker 1>mean we are near land. The weed resembles a grass,

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<v Speaker 1>except that it has long stalks and shoots and is

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<v Speaker 1>loaded with fruit like the like the mastic tree. Um, so, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess on the on September six, it

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like he was like, no, you can't fool me.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not that close to land. But on September sevente

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<v Speaker 1>he said, nope, we are close to land. Look at

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<v Speaker 1>all this seaweed. I had to look up what the

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<v Speaker 1>mastic tree is because I didn't know, but it's the

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<v Speaker 1>but it's known as Pistachia lentiscus. Ah. Yeah, I looked

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<v Speaker 1>up a picture of it as well, and I do

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<v Speaker 1>see some some prominent little round fruits that you the

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<v Speaker 1>little berries that I assume that's that's what he was

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<v Speaker 1>comparing to the what what are actually neumaticists? Yea. As

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<v Speaker 1>we mentioned earlier, the neumaticists are these little tiny berry

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<v Speaker 1>shaped gas bladders that helped the the seaweed float. But

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<v Speaker 1>in this case, yeah, it looks kind of like these

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<v Speaker 1>berries in a tree that would have been familiar to Columbus.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the looking at the mastic tree apparently is

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<v Speaker 1>useful for its resin. So a special note is the

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<v Speaker 1>Sargasso Sea. This is a truly vast patch of sargassum.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Ocean Foundation, the Sargasso Sea is sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>referred to as the Atlantic Golden Rainforest and the islands

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<v Speaker 1>quote unquote uh in the Sargasso Sea can be acres across,

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<v Speaker 1>while the regions they occupy can stretch for miles right now.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sargasso Sea is interesting because it is the only

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<v Speaker 1>real sea in the world that doesn't have any land boundaries.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sargasso Sea is a sea within an ocean. It's

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<v Speaker 1>uh this patch in the middle of the Northern Atlantic. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a large patch. If you were to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the eastern coast of the United States, uh and

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<v Speaker 1>you know in the Caribbean maybe with the bottom edge

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<v Speaker 1>down around like Cuba and uh in Puerto Rico, and

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<v Speaker 1>then going up along the the coast of North America

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<v Speaker 1>up towards Newfoundland, and then you just extend out east

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<v Speaker 1>from there. There's this big patch in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the Atlantic Ocean, which is known as the Sargasso Sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we should be clear that it is not like

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<v Speaker 1>blanket covered in sargassum seaweed, but there are It is

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<v Speaker 1>known for having large rafts of sargassum seaweed within it,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Sargasso Sea is interesting in a number of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing about it is it's known for having UH,

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<v Speaker 1>for being a place where ships can easily become be calmed,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is a risk that people who are not

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<v Speaker 1>very familiar with sea voyages might not think about very often.

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<v Speaker 1>But back in the days of sailing, one thing that

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<v Speaker 1>was really dangerous is if the winds die down and

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<v Speaker 1>you can't say, you know, there's nothing to propel your

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<v Speaker 1>ship in the direction where it needs to go. All

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<v Speaker 1>throughout the the Atlantic around the Sargasso Sea, there tend

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<v Speaker 1>to be these wind currents. You know they're there are

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<v Speaker 1>winds that will blow you UH, that will blow you

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<v Speaker 1>east to west, down from the from the coast of

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<v Speaker 1>Africa down towards UH, towards the Caribbean, and towards the

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<v Speaker 1>northern coast of South America. And then there are winds

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<v Speaker 1>and currents in the ocean that lead up north along

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<v Speaker 1>the east coast of North America. And then if you

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<v Speaker 1>go up north from there, there are winds and currents

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<v Speaker 1>that will lead you back towards the east from the west.

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<v Speaker 1>So essentially you create this box in the middle of

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<v Speaker 1>the North Atlantic that is surrounded by currents that go

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<v Speaker 1>in a circle around it. And this isn't often known

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<v Speaker 1>as the North Atlantic gyre. Now, anyone who's ever watched,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, any number of sailing movies or TV shows,

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<v Speaker 1>or any TV show that includes like a a voyage

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<v Speaker 1>by sale across the ocean. This is a This is

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<v Speaker 1>almost a standard bottle episode right here where where suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>the ship uh is in a is in a region

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<v Speaker 1>where there's just no no wind at all, nothing could

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<v Speaker 1>propel them, and everybody just sets around and gets like

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<v Speaker 1>superstitious and uh a little bit crazy until the wind

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<v Speaker 1>picks back up and saves everybody right. And you can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine like if you actually were traveling across the Atlantic

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<v Speaker 1>and you didn't know what you were what you were

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<v Speaker 1>going to see, or what was going to be out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you'd heard some tales of sea monsters. Who knows,

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<v Speaker 1>you get into an area where there is less wind

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<v Speaker 1>than you're used to than when you traveled into the area.

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<v Speaker 1>You are suddenly be calmed, it becomes hard to travel

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just kind of stuck there in the water.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you start seeing these weird rafts floating around

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the ocean towards you. I can

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<v Speaker 1>imagine that's pretty odd. Yeah, And in fact we maybe

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to imagine, because there are some historical sources

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<v Speaker 1>that that may well be referring to this. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>it's debatable whether they're referring to this or something else.

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<v Speaker 1>But I wanted to look at the question how long

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<v Speaker 1>has the Sargasso Sea been written about? Uh. It gets

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<v Speaker 1>its current name from Portuguese sailors. I believe of like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the the early modern period, or actually I

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<v Speaker 1>think before that, from like the fifteenth century. But but

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<v Speaker 1>I was looking around to see how far back written

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<v Speaker 1>accounts of the Sargasso c go. And I found an interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly applicable bit of history in a book by the

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<v Speaker 1>British archaeologist and Oxford professor Sir Barry Cunliffe. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>the book is called on the Ocean, the Mediterranean and

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic from Prehistory to a d F hundred from Oxford

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<v Speaker 1>University Press in and this is in a chapter where

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<v Speaker 1>Cunliffe is writing about records of exploration west of the

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<v Speaker 1>Pillars of Heracles. So the Pillars of Heracles today are

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<v Speaker 1>understood to refer to the Strait of Gibraltar, that gap

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<v Speaker 1>between between in Morocco and the Iberian Peninsula, where you

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<v Speaker 1>can just go through this narrow passage to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of the Mediterranean Sea and into the broad Atlantic Ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>And so he's writing about the exploration beyond this point,

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<v Speaker 1>out to the west by the ancient cultures of North Africa,

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<v Speaker 1>Europe and Central Asia. And for for most of these cultures,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mediterranean Sea was of course their bread and butter.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the sea, even the Mediterranean Sea has has

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of dangers and mysteries to it. But sea voyages

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<v Speaker 1>within this region where you know, we're well understood for

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<v Speaker 1>for trade and and exploration and warfare and fishing and

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<v Speaker 1>all that. But sea voyages west into the Atlantic Ocean

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<v Speaker 1>or another story. And and so you get plenty of

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<v Speaker 1>tales and say Greek thought and Greek mythology about islands

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe lay out to the west of of the

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<v Speaker 1>Pillars of Hercules, way out there in the ocean that

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<v Speaker 1>that is mostly unexplored by your people. Most of the

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<v Speaker 1>early explorers who passed west of Gibraltar did so in

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<v Speaker 1>order to travel along the coast to the north or south,

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<v Speaker 1>so this would be traveling up along the coast of

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<v Speaker 1>the Iberian Peninsula uh to form these ports along places

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<v Speaker 1>like Cadiz that became a Phoenician port, or south along

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<v Speaker 1>the coast of Africa. The Phoenicians and the Greeks did

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<v Speaker 1>this to various extents, but the vast and presumably mostly

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<v Speaker 1>empty Atlantic Ocean was not not among everybody, but widely

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<v Speaker 1>assumed in ancient times to be a place of mystery

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<v Speaker 1>and danger, especially by Greek authors. And Kunlift gives the

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<v Speaker 1>example of the ancient Greek poet Pindar, who was writing

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<v Speaker 1>in the early fifth century b c. E UH and so,

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<v Speaker 1>to quote from Kunliffe here describing the pillars of Heracles,

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<v Speaker 1>situated at the western extremity of the known world, far

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<v Speaker 1>from home, he advises, quote, what lies beyond cannot be

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<v Speaker 1>trodden by the wise or the unwise. One cannot cross

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<v Speaker 1>from Ghadeer towards the dark west, turn again the sails

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<v Speaker 1>towards the dry land end of Europe. The dark West. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean this vast, stormy ocean. You you don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you know you travel out on it, Like would

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<v Speaker 1>would you even reach land if you kept sailing? I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>It was not known, however, kind of rites that Phoenician

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<v Speaker 1>sailors were more adventurous in general in pushing westward uh

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<v Speaker 1>And about around the year six hundred b c E,

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<v Speaker 1>a Phoenician expedition sponsored by the pharaoh Necho the second

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<v Speaker 1>had been reported to have circumnavigated Africa. And though we

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the original sources for the account that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>about to describe, there are later Roman quotations of the

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<v Speaker 1>accounts of Phoenician sailors possibly pushing further west into the

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<v Speaker 1>Atlantic in exploration. And one of these notable sailors was

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<v Speaker 1>a Carthaginian navigator named him Ilco that's h I M

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<v Speaker 1>I l c O, who lived probably sometime in the

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<v Speaker 1>fifth century b c E. The Carthaginians were an ancient

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<v Speaker 1>civilization that was based along the coast of North Africa.

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<v Speaker 1>I think their their capital was in modern day Tunisia.

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<v Speaker 1>But who expanded too much of the ancient Mediterranean? And

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<v Speaker 1>then here I'm going to read from Cunliffe as he

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<v Speaker 1>introduces and quotes another ancient source for for knowledge about Himilco.

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<v Speaker 1>So Himilco quote, whose report published long ago in the

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<v Speaker 1>Secret Annals of the Carthaginians, is selectively quoted in a

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<v Speaker 1>grossly pretentious poem compiled by our Roman administrator Rufus Festus

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<v Speaker 1>Aviennas in the fourth century a d. A few lines

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<v Speaker 1>of his Aura maritima will suffice to give the flavor.

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<v Speaker 1>And then this quotes lines three seventy four. To the

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<v Speaker 1>west of these pillars, Himilco reports that the swell is boundless,

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<v Speaker 1>the sea extends widely, the salt water streaks. Fourth no

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<v Speaker 1>one has approached these waters. No one has brought his

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<v Speaker 1>keel into that sea, because the are no propelling breezes

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<v Speaker 1>at sea, and no breath of Heaven's air aids the ship. Hence,

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<v Speaker 1>because the mist cloaks the air with a kind of garment,

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<v Speaker 1>a cloud always holds the swell and persists throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>humid day. And so that's describing possibly some of the

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<v Speaker 1>becalmed area of the North Atlantic, with like within the

0:25:21.240 --> 0:25:23.920
<v Speaker 1>Gyre region that we talked about before, you know, surrounded

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.879
<v Speaker 1>by the currents, but is very often very still in

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:31.159
<v Speaker 1>that middle area that overlaps with the Sargasso Sea. But

0:25:31.240 --> 0:25:35.880
<v Speaker 1>then Cunlift goes on to describe further how Aviennas quotes

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:40.560
<v Speaker 1>from Himilco to describe his voyage. Uh Cunlift writes elsewhere

0:25:40.600 --> 0:25:43.640
<v Speaker 1>he talks of monsters of the deep and beasts who

0:25:43.680 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 1>swim amid the slow and sluggish crawling ships, and again

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>great fear of monsters stalks the deep. When the wind falls,

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.359
<v Speaker 1>the sluggish liquid of the lazy sea is at a

0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:59.560
<v Speaker 1>stand still, while thick seaweed often tops the sea, and

0:25:59.640 --> 0:26:03.280
<v Speaker 1>the ti it is hindered by the marshy rack. The

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:08.240
<v Speaker 1>marshy rack oh yeah um and Kunlaf also says Himilko

0:26:08.400 --> 0:26:11.200
<v Speaker 1>was evidently not enamored of his encounter with the ocean.

0:26:11.640 --> 0:26:15.080
<v Speaker 1>Perhaps perhaps his vessel was drawn south into the dull

0:26:15.160 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 1>drums and reach the Sargasso Sea, as some commentators have suggested,

0:26:20.240 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 1>Or perhaps he reported in this dispiriting way simply to

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:28.040
<v Speaker 1>aggrandize his own achievement and to deter others. Another possibility

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:32.119
<v Speaker 1>is that his original report was embroidered by a Viennas. Uh,

0:26:32.200 --> 0:26:35.880
<v Speaker 1>So we don't know exactly what he's describing here, and

0:26:35.960 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 1>if what he's describing is real especially since we're only

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:41.320
<v Speaker 1>getting it quoted by a secondary source and we don't

0:26:41.359 --> 0:26:44.120
<v Speaker 1>have the original source. But of course it is true.

0:26:44.160 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 1>There's the danger of the dull drums, the calm part

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:49.040
<v Speaker 1>of the Atlantic, where you won't have winds to propel

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>your your sales, so you can very well get trapped there.

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 1>That could well overlap with large stretches of seaweed, the

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:59.240
<v Speaker 1>Sargassum seaweed that you would find in the Sargasso Sea.

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.840
<v Speaker 1>So one possible interpretation of what we're getting here is

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:07.399
<v Speaker 1>that this ancient Carthaginian sailor him Ilco actually sailed to

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:12.600
<v Speaker 1>the Sargasso Sea, survived, returned to Carthage eventually, and you know,

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>lived to tell the tale. But again it's worth stressing

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 1>that modern some modern scholars are are doubtful. It's hard

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:21.840
<v Speaker 1>to know for sure, but some details line up if

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.440
<v Speaker 1>they're accurate. You've got these reports about the marshy rack

0:27:24.600 --> 0:27:28.199
<v Speaker 1>of seaweed coinciding with the doldrums. It it lines up

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.960
<v Speaker 1>in a kind of interesting way. And then finally, of course,

0:27:31.000 --> 0:27:33.719
<v Speaker 1>the mention of sea monsters right the I wonder if

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.640
<v Speaker 1>it's possible to mistake the shadow of a huge floating

0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:41.639
<v Speaker 1>raft of sargassum for a sea monster stalking the deep. Again,

0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but it strikes me as possible. Yeah, yeah,

0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:47.960
<v Speaker 1>and well, once you get into discussing sea monsters, of course,

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>as we've we've explored in the show before, especially looking

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:54.000
<v Speaker 1>at the work of the check ven Douser. Yeah, that's

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 1>right on sea monsters. I believe he pointed out in

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>his book that you know, at times sea monsters are

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:03.840
<v Speaker 1>a manifestation of uh, certainly of of second and third

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:07.199
<v Speaker 1>hand accounts of of actual organisms. Other times their products

0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>of the mind, sometimes their products of of economic or

0:28:10.359 --> 0:28:13.880
<v Speaker 1>political forces. So they're a whole host of reasons, uh

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.840
<v Speaker 1>to to speak the word of the name of the

0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.920
<v Speaker 1>sea monster. But that's certainly the yeah, the doldrums that

0:28:19.960 --> 0:28:23.880
<v Speaker 1>seemed to be described here, and then the uh, the

0:28:23.880 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 1>the rack, the muck, the seaweed here this does sound

0:28:27.760 --> 0:28:31.119
<v Speaker 1>a lot like the descriptions modern descriptions of the sargasso

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:33.800
<v Speaker 1>c oh. And sorry, there's one thing I didn't clarify,

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>but just to avoid confusion, because it's not a common word,

0:28:36.560 --> 0:28:38.719
<v Speaker 1>I had to look this up. Rack here in this

0:28:38.800 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 1>quotation is spelled with the W W R A C

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 1>K and I was like, what is that referring to?

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:46.720
<v Speaker 1>Is that like referring to like a like a shipwreck,

0:28:46.800 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>because rack sometimes is an alternate spelling of rack or wreckage.

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>But also I looked it up and apparently it is

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>also just a word sometimes used to refer to a

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 1>massive seaweed like green vegetation. Could be oh, there is

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a rack with the W Yeah, okay, well sometimes that

0:29:02.840 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't familiar with the precise definition, but I totally

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 1>understood it in the context of the sentence. It's like,

0:29:09.440 --> 0:29:12.600
<v Speaker 1>look at this rack, there's no getting through it. So

0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.800
<v Speaker 1>so certainly you can imagine that the rack would not

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.560
<v Speaker 1>be a great place to find yourself as a human sailor,

0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>certainly in in ancient times. But of course the Iraq

0:29:25.120 --> 0:29:28.360
<v Speaker 1>is home to a great many organisms, as we've already

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.880
<v Speaker 1>alluded to here. So, uh, for one thing, you have

0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>you have various um micro and macro um epiphytes. These

0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 1>are organisms that grow on the surface of a plant

0:29:41.040 --> 0:29:44.400
<v Speaker 1>and derived derives its moisture and nutrients from the air, rain,

0:29:44.440 --> 0:29:47.000
<v Speaker 1>and water. Uh So you have that's those sorts of

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 1>organisms growing there. You have fung gi, you have more

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:52.800
<v Speaker 1>than a hundred species of invertebrates that are known to

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 1>uh to to live within the sargassum. Over a hundred

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>species of fish, four species of turtle. Again, and it

0:29:59.720 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of spirals out because once you have a certain

0:30:01.840 --> 0:30:06.760
<v Speaker 1>amount of of life uh fostered within the sargassum, it's

0:30:06.760 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 1>going to attract other things as well, So you'll see

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:11.640
<v Speaker 1>things like sharks showing up, etcetera. So we are not

0:30:11.680 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>going to attempt to cover everything that lives in the sargassum,

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 1>but we are going to talk about some of the

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 1>standouts because there are some really fun, really interesting, really

0:30:21.840 --> 0:30:26.480
<v Speaker 1>weird organisms that call the rack home. And the first

0:30:26.480 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>of which I want to talk about is the sargassum fish,

0:30:29.920 --> 0:30:33.680
<v Speaker 1>also known as the sargassum frog fish. Now, is this

0:30:33.800 --> 0:30:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the one that you lured me into this episode with,

0:30:36.240 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 1>because the first thing that I became aware of when

0:30:39.040 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 1>you were getting interested in sargassum was was that you

0:30:42.160 --> 0:30:43.680
<v Speaker 1>came to me and you said, Joe, there is a

0:30:43.720 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>fish with hands. Yes, yes, this would be uh, this

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.840
<v Speaker 1>would be the sargassum frog fish um and uh and

0:30:50.960 --> 0:30:54.000
<v Speaker 1>and I'll and I'll explain what I mean by by hands.

0:30:54.000 --> 0:30:56.719
<v Speaker 1>They're not quite hands, but they are enough like hands

0:30:56.800 --> 0:31:00.840
<v Speaker 1>that you're committed to get excited um and uh and yeah,

0:31:00.880 --> 0:31:05.200
<v Speaker 1>it's probably the most famous sargassum denizen. It's the species

0:31:05.920 --> 0:31:10.280
<v Speaker 1>history of history o frog fish of the family uh

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:14.600
<v Speaker 1>at tananara day and it's the only species of its genus.

0:31:14.640 --> 0:31:17.840
<v Speaker 1>So uh, we'll describe them here, but also feel free

0:31:17.880 --> 0:31:19.920
<v Speaker 1>to look up images or video. I mean, there's nothing

0:31:20.000 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 1>quite like seeing video of these these creatures. I think

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 1>there's some wonderful national geographic footage, but also the Weird

0:31:27.560 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>House Cinema selection for tomorrow also will feature some actual

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.800
<v Speaker 1>footage of this creature right at the top. Um. So

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>the uh, the sargassum fish grows to around twenty centimeters

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 1>in length, so about seven point eight inches. And I

0:31:43.320 --> 0:31:46.240
<v Speaker 1>should I guess I should say, first of all, they

0:31:46.320 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 1>generally have this appearance that you'll find with other frog

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:54.080
<v Speaker 1>fish um and uh and and they're related to uh

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.600
<v Speaker 1>into the angler fish of the deep. Uh. So they

0:31:57.600 --> 0:32:02.080
<v Speaker 1>have these upturned mouths, which kind of give them kind

0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.640
<v Speaker 1>of this uh, this frowny face look, this kind of

0:32:04.680 --> 0:32:08.400
<v Speaker 1>froggy appearance and uh and and so that that's the

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 1>first thing to drive home about them. So they have

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 1>that that kind of body that I think at number

0:32:12.640 --> 0:32:16.160
<v Speaker 1>of you can can imagine, but they sometimes sort of

0:32:16.160 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 1>think of it as the drawbridge jaw. Yes, yes, that's

0:32:18.880 --> 0:32:21.240
<v Speaker 1>a good way of describing a drawbridge jaw. And of course,

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.560
<v Speaker 1>like like pretty much all fish, you know, they're they're

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>going to consume by by lunging and inhaling, you know,

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:32.240
<v Speaker 1>pulling their their prey rapidly into their mouth. Um their masters.

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:36.320
<v Speaker 1>These particular fish, though, uh, the sargassum fish are masters

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:40.120
<v Speaker 1>of camouflage, at least within the sargassum environment, because they've

0:32:40.160 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>adapted to physically look like the sargassum, complete with fleshy

0:32:45.240 --> 0:32:48.760
<v Speaker 1>appendages that look like weed. I've seen some of the

0:32:48.840 --> 0:32:51.840
<v Speaker 1>some of the appendages have even been compared to organisms

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:54.920
<v Speaker 1>that live within the weed um. So they just they

0:32:55.000 --> 0:32:58.240
<v Speaker 1>just they look like they're just a part of the environment.

0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>You'll see images or even footage sometimes of the sargassum

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.840
<v Speaker 1>fish hiding in the seaweed, and you really cannot pick

0:33:05.880 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 1>them out with a human eye. I think at some

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.160
<v Speaker 1>point I watched a documentary or part of a documentary

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:12.840
<v Speaker 1>that had some of these in it, and it was

0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 1>one of those like you know, trick shots where they

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>show you the shot and then it's like there are

0:33:16.920 --> 0:33:19.640
<v Speaker 1>three sargassum fish in the shot, you can't see them

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:21.800
<v Speaker 1>at all, and then has to like circle them or

0:33:21.880 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>zoom in on them or something. I think I've seen

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.280
<v Speaker 1>the same one. Yeah. Um. But of course it's not

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:30.840
<v Speaker 1>just their physical structure and initial coloration. The other cool

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>thing about them is they can further adjust their coloration

0:33:34.440 --> 0:33:37.360
<v Speaker 1>from dark browns and greens to light browns and greens

0:33:37.400 --> 0:33:40.719
<v Speaker 1>to complete the illusion, to to fine tune it so

0:33:40.760 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that they blend in you know, seemingly completely um. And

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:47.320
<v Speaker 1>they can do this quite rapidly as well. This is

0:33:47.360 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 1>important for the sargassum fish because of again it is

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a voracious hunter, but also it's the jungle baby, so

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 1>you know they're they're also they also have to be

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:59.800
<v Speaker 1>on guard against other predators, so it also helps protect.

0:34:00.400 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 1>Now they let's get to the hands, so if you will,

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 1>uh so, theirs their pelvic fins uh, you know the

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 1>fins up front. They have nine to eleven rays uh

0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>in them and they're stalked essentially forming what act like clause. Basically,

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 1>they can use these things. Again, they look like claws,

0:34:20.960 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 1>they look like fish clause, and they can use these

0:34:23.520 --> 0:34:27.359
<v Speaker 1>to grip objects, and they use these to clamber over

0:34:27.440 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and through the seaweed. Okay, so they can use them

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:33.080
<v Speaker 1>to grip objects, not in the sense of like like

0:34:33.120 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>our fingers, where you would manipulate objects freely, but they

0:34:36.480 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 1>can grip things in the sense of like sort of

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:43.200
<v Speaker 1>pushing against surfaces. Right. Yeah, they're not gonna be able

0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to use an iPhone. They can't play the piano worth

0:34:45.880 --> 0:34:49.239
<v Speaker 1>of dying. But but they can use these appendages. You

0:34:49.239 --> 0:34:51.359
<v Speaker 1>have to sort of grip and push through things, which

0:34:51.400 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>is gonna be vitally important when you're hanging out in

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the sargassum, like little gravoid spines. Yeah, so they're really cool.

0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Definitely look up. They're beyond cool. They're a little creepy looking.

0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I highly recommend checking them out. Um. So, So, obviously

0:35:07.360 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 1>the adults live in the mats and their eggs are

0:35:11.040 --> 0:35:13.920
<v Speaker 1>placed there as well, but the larvae developed in the

0:35:13.960 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 1>water columns between fifty and six meters deep. Um. And

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:21.800
<v Speaker 1>you might think, well that, I guess the sargasum environment

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.719
<v Speaker 1>then is just no place for for kids, right um.

0:35:24.880 --> 0:35:27.040
<v Speaker 1>And this is this is certainly the case, especially since

0:35:27.080 --> 0:35:29.719
<v Speaker 1>the sargassum fish is more than happy to eat them

0:35:29.760 --> 0:35:32.800
<v Speaker 1>as well, So they're in they're not only incredibly voracious,

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>but their notorious cannibals. I was reading about some of

0:35:35.800 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the studies where they've they've caught sargassum fish and they've

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>they've looked inside at their bellies and they'll find like

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.600
<v Speaker 1>multiple juveniles. You know, they'll find some juveniles and they

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:49.960
<v Speaker 1>just they'll just just gobble them up delicious. Yeah. So again,

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:53.120
<v Speaker 1>just a fabulous fish. Just it's everything about it is

0:35:53.280 --> 0:35:57.799
<v Speaker 1>uh is both beautiful and frightening uh in just the

0:35:57.880 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 1>right proportions. Now, not the only creature that that that

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 1>lives there again, and they're not the only creature that

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that takes a sargassum as part of its uh you know,

0:36:08.000 --> 0:36:11.439
<v Speaker 1>official or unofficial name. For instance, there's the sargassum pipe fish.

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:13.239
<v Speaker 1>This is a species of pipe fish that makes its

0:36:13.320 --> 0:36:16.360
<v Speaker 1>home in the sargassum mats uh And like all pipe

0:36:16.360 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 1>fish and seahorses, the male carries the egg. Um. They're

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:22.960
<v Speaker 1>just into these elongated um, you know, beautiful fish with

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 1>that kind of signature uh seahorsey head now um. Just briefly,

0:36:28.320 --> 0:36:30.879
<v Speaker 1>a couple of other organisms well, first, in general should

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>say that that the Sargasso Sea in particular is the

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 1>spawning site for various eels, uh, including threatened and endangered eels.

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>But speaking of decapods, there is also worth our consideration

0:36:44.200 --> 0:36:49.520
<v Speaker 1>the sargassum swimming crab or U. Portunists say, I uh,

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>this is uh just one variety of crab you'll find

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.360
<v Speaker 1>in sargassum mats, but it's an impressive one and a

0:36:55.400 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 1>species adapted to blend into the environment. They have an

0:36:58.640 --> 0:37:02.799
<v Speaker 1>orange brown colorization that apparently matches up with the sargassum

0:37:02.880 --> 0:37:06.360
<v Speaker 1>pretty well. And as the name implies, they're more adapted

0:37:06.400 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 1>for swimming than walking. The fourth pair of legs are

0:37:10.040 --> 0:37:14.520
<v Speaker 1>modified into paddle like structures. Now, crabs, of of course,

0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:18.279
<v Speaker 1>are noted for walking sideways, so you might wonder how

0:37:18.320 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 1>does it swim. Well, they tend to swim sideways as well, uh,

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.000
<v Speaker 1>and apparently they're quite fast. They depend on a mix

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.960
<v Speaker 1>of active and passive hunting, so they'll they'll actively chase

0:37:28.000 --> 0:37:31.239
<v Speaker 1>after something against sideways uh to catch it, but they'll

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 1>also fall back on that that sort of ambush hunting

0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 1>within the jungle of the sargassum. Yeah. Now, in addition

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 1>to these organisms that spend all or most of their

0:37:44.640 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>lives in the sargassum, there are also organisms that use

0:37:49.040 --> 0:37:52.960
<v Speaker 1>sargassom as a sort of like a stepping stone during

0:37:52.960 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>their migration patterns. One example that's often referenced would be

0:37:57.400 --> 0:38:00.399
<v Speaker 1>young sea turtles. Yeah, and I've also heard that it's

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 1>important to even like migratory birds species. Again, it's it's

0:38:04.560 --> 0:38:07.560
<v Speaker 1>it's an oasis in the wastes, an oasis in the

0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:15.720
<v Speaker 1>desert of the sea. Thank thank thank so. Now, earlier

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:19.320
<v Speaker 1>we we alluded to the sargassum being not not only

0:38:19.440 --> 0:38:23.840
<v Speaker 1>this this bountiful environment, but also potentially a problem, a

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 1>problem for humans and the sort of human likes and

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 1>dislikes concerning beaches, but also just for the environment as

0:38:32.640 --> 0:38:36.960
<v Speaker 1>a whole. As the Ocean Foundation points out, it's ecologically

0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.960
<v Speaker 1>important the sargassum, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have

0:38:40.160 --> 0:38:44.839
<v Speaker 1>some downsides, especially when you're dealing with large volumes. Right,

0:38:44.880 --> 0:38:48.680
<v Speaker 1>And this is something that's become especially a problem within

0:38:48.840 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 1>just the last decade or so. Actually, it can really

0:38:52.040 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 1>be dated to a year in particular, from what from

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>everything we've been reading for the year two thousand eleven,

0:38:57.760 --> 0:39:02.919
<v Speaker 1>starting around two thousand eleven, something started happening with sargassum

0:39:03.000 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 1>in the Atlantic Ocean, where there was a sudden increase

0:39:07.760 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>that has gone on in many years since then, of

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:16.560
<v Speaker 1>of sargassum inundations where beaches and shorelines along areas in

0:39:16.600 --> 0:39:19.759
<v Speaker 1>the Caribbean, along the coast of Florida, along places in

0:39:19.800 --> 0:39:23.000
<v Speaker 1>the coast of the northern coast of South America would

0:39:23.080 --> 0:39:27.040
<v Speaker 1>just be caked with sargassum, like they're just mounds and

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:30.400
<v Speaker 1>mounds of seaweed piling up to the point that it

0:39:30.600 --> 0:39:34.799
<v Speaker 1>in some cases would make these shores unusable for what

0:39:34.880 --> 0:39:39.239
<v Speaker 1>humans have been using them for, usually in the years beforehand. Yeah,

0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:42.280
<v Speaker 1>if if any of you out there are are snorkelers,

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>or are you know, related to our friends with snorkeling enthusiasts,

0:39:46.520 --> 0:39:50.440
<v Speaker 1>then you've you've probably heard about the blight of sargassum,

0:39:50.480 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>about the disappointment of of, say, you know, reaching a

0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:59.480
<v Speaker 1>popular snorkeling area and finding that there's just sargassum everywhere. Um,

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:01.520
<v Speaker 1>you know. So in in particular, one of the things

0:40:01.520 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 1>that the Ocean Foundation points out is huge rafts of

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:09.799
<v Speaker 1>it can actually smother other sea grasses and even coral reefs. Um.

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:12.879
<v Speaker 1>You know. Granted, coral reefs are facing uh a number

0:40:12.920 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 1>of problems, um you know and are and uh and

0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>we've gone into that in past episodes. But but certainly

0:40:20.400 --> 0:40:23.560
<v Speaker 1>this could disrupt your ability to even properly view them

0:40:23.600 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>as a as a tourist in the ocean, as a

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 1>as a snorkeler, um you know, out there trying to

0:40:29.040 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 1>to observe this natural habitat. Uh. It can also this

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.920
<v Speaker 1>is interesting this this has brought up as well. Apparently

0:40:35.960 --> 0:40:40.560
<v Speaker 1>sargassum can serve as a means of transport for invasive species.

0:40:41.120 --> 0:40:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Though UM, I honestly wonder if this at all compares

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:48.880
<v Speaker 1>to human enabled invasive species transport. It seems like, um

0:40:48.920 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 1>it almost wouldn't matter compared to what humans can and

0:40:51.920 --> 0:40:55.440
<v Speaker 1>have done, um you know, importing species like the lion

0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:59.840
<v Speaker 1>fish into regions that um that that are not balanced

0:40:59.840 --> 0:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and off to uh to contain them. Well, yes, but

0:41:03.160 --> 0:41:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I would also say that there I think there is

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:09.879
<v Speaker 1>at least a strong likelihood that human behavior is a

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:15.680
<v Speaker 1>major contributor to these these new build ups of sargassum. Yeah,

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 1>and we'll and we'll get into into more of that

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.200
<v Speaker 1>in just a second. Um, just a few more points

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:23.839
<v Speaker 1>here that the ocean foundation made uh sargassum of course,

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.000
<v Speaker 1>can prevent boats and fishermen from setting out to sea.

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:29.680
<v Speaker 1>It can also prevent sea turtles from making it to

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 1>nest in these cases as well. So you know, again

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>you have it massing up on the beach in particular,

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>if it's um, you know, a certain amount of that

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.799
<v Speaker 1>is arguably good for the beach, but if you have

0:41:41.840 --> 0:41:44.560
<v Speaker 1>too much of it, yeah, it's going to actually interfere

0:41:44.600 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 1>potentially in a sea turtle's ability to come on shore

0:41:47.640 --> 0:41:50.239
<v Speaker 1>lady eggs and then have the hatchlings be able to

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:53.319
<v Speaker 1>properly get back out to sea again in in an

0:41:53.360 --> 0:41:56.640
<v Speaker 1>appropriate amount of time. And if it masses on the beach,

0:41:56.680 --> 0:41:59.440
<v Speaker 1>the sargassum it, if it's not removed in time, it

0:41:59.480 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>can produce hydrogen sulfide, which can have a major can

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 1>have major detrimental effects on coastal ecosystems. Yeah, I mean,

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:09.640
<v Speaker 1>it can have all kinds of negative effects on the

0:42:09.640 --> 0:42:11.880
<v Speaker 1>wildlife itself. I mean, one would be like if it

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:13.960
<v Speaker 1>doesn't reach the beach, if you're just talking about it

0:42:14.040 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 1>still being in the water, big blooms of algal organisms

0:42:19.480 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>in the water can have downstream effects when the blooms

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:27.720
<v Speaker 1>eventually die and then there's all of this dead, decomposing

0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:31.640
<v Speaker 1>material in the water, and then the decomposition of that

0:42:31.800 --> 0:42:36.080
<v Speaker 1>material ends up robbing the water of dissolved oxygen, which

0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.840
<v Speaker 1>in turn leads to these big fish die offs and

0:42:38.960 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>die offs of other organisms because there's not enough oxygen

0:42:41.600 --> 0:42:44.120
<v Speaker 1>in the water for them to breathe. Yeah, and also

0:42:44.160 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>all that decomposition in the water can promote harmful blooms

0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>of bacteria and other microbes. I guess the way to

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:54.719
<v Speaker 1>to to think of it is it's basically like spiraling

0:42:55.080 --> 0:43:00.520
<v Speaker 1>imbalance in the ecosystem and uh and and it's its

0:43:00.600 --> 0:43:04.440
<v Speaker 1>place in this uh this this this cascade of imbalance.

0:43:04.880 --> 0:43:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Now to get kind of a I guess, sort of

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a bird's eye or I guess satellite view of things. UM.

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 1>I found this pretty helpful. I was looking at a

0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>July twenty nineteen article from NASA Goddard. They utilize the

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:24.839
<v Speaker 1>satellite images to observe the Great Atlantic Sargassum belt. Uh

0:43:24.880 --> 0:43:28.239
<v Speaker 1>So at this point, based on simulations, they confirmed that

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:31.120
<v Speaker 1>its shape was due to ocean currents and that it

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 1>can grow large enough so as to blanket the surface

0:43:34.960 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 1>of the Tropical Atlantic from the west coast of Africa

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 1>to the Gulf of Mexico. Major blooms have occurred in

0:43:42.600 --> 0:43:46.880
<v Speaker 1>every year between twenty eleven and again, this was a

0:43:46.960 --> 0:43:49.359
<v Speaker 1>July articles, so that's as far up as it went

0:43:49.400 --> 0:43:53.600
<v Speaker 1>at the time. UH with the exception of which this

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.279
<v Speaker 1>was apparently uh in this year was impacted by unusually

0:43:57.320 --> 0:44:02.000
<v Speaker 1>low seed populations during the winter, but other wise eleven onward,

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>it's been sargassum season. Prior to eleven, most of the

0:44:06.600 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>free floating sargassum in the ocean was primarily found in

0:44:09.560 --> 0:44:13.319
<v Speaker 1>patches around the Gulf of Mexico and the Sargasso Sea.

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:19.279
<v Speaker 1>But then something changed, something seemingly in the biochemistry the ocean. Obviously,

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:21.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, people were asking a lot of questions about

0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:25.800
<v Speaker 1>climate change uh and and ultimately I guess the reality

0:44:25.960 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>is is complicated, but basically yes, it's pointed out by

0:44:28.960 --> 0:44:35.720
<v Speaker 1>a doctor Paula Bontempi of NASA's Ocean Biology and Biogeochemistry Program,

0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.920
<v Speaker 1>the ocean's biochemistry is changing due to a mix of

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:42.000
<v Speaker 1>natural and human forces, and it seems to be leading

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to an ecosystem shift with important implications for marine life

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:48.000
<v Speaker 1>and human life since we depend on many of the

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>species in question and live in and in many of

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:54.760
<v Speaker 1>the environments that are impacted. UH. Climate change is certainly

0:44:54.760 --> 0:44:58.560
<v Speaker 1>a key aspect of this, as it impacts precipitation and

0:44:58.600 --> 0:45:04.400
<v Speaker 1>ocean circulation, but increased water temperatures specifically don't seem to

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:07.680
<v Speaker 1>be the cause. It's these other causes. But again, UH,

0:45:07.960 --> 0:45:10.840
<v Speaker 1>climate change is very much part of the issue. I

0:45:10.880 --> 0:45:12.719
<v Speaker 1>don't want to make it sound like it's not. Yeah,

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 1>if you were. If you want to read more in

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:17.080
<v Speaker 1>depth about this research, there's a really good article in

0:45:17.120 --> 0:45:21.000
<v Speaker 1>The Atlantic by Ed Young from July nineteen called hy

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 1>waves of seaweed have been smothering Caribbean beaches. Again, this

0:45:25.280 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 1>from July nineteen by Ed Young. Uh, that's worth looking up,

0:45:29.080 --> 0:45:31.160
<v Speaker 1>and it gets into a lot of the difficulty and

0:45:31.239 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>uncertainty and trying to figure out exactly what the underlying

0:45:34.120 --> 0:45:37.160
<v Speaker 1>factors leading to this change that we first saw in

0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the year two thousand eleven was establishing this this huge

0:45:41.560 --> 0:45:44.959
<v Speaker 1>belt of sargassum that was not there previously. And and

0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.879
<v Speaker 1>what we want to be very clear, this Atlantic sargassum

0:45:47.920 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 1>belt is different from the sargassum in the Sargasso Sea.

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.239
<v Speaker 1>The Sargasso Sea is further north in the North Atlantic,

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 1>off the east coast of of like the United States,

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>whereas this would be something that stretches more between Brazil

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and Africa. In fact, one of the things that ed

0:46:05.080 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 1>Young writes about in this article was the very idea

0:46:08.239 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 1>of the satellite photos that you were talking about that

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 1>one of the fortunate things for studying sargassum blooms on

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 1>the large scale is that sargassum reflects more infrared light

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.839
<v Speaker 1>than the seawater around it, So when you look down

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:25.719
<v Speaker 1>with satellites, sargassum patches can appear as hot spots in

0:46:25.760 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 1>the ocean that can be seen from space. Young sites, Uh,

0:46:30.280 --> 0:46:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the researcher named Jim Gower of the Fisheries and Oceans

0:46:34.000 --> 0:46:38.719
<v Speaker 1>Canada for for doing this satellite research. But yeah, the

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:42.480
<v Speaker 1>satellite photos found that the bloom really began in April

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.319
<v Speaker 1>of two thousand eleven, which correlates with you know these

0:46:45.320 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 1>times when these pile ups on the beaches, the sargassum

0:46:48.280 --> 0:46:53.319
<v Speaker 1>inundations really started becoming a problem that people noticed. But

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 1>they started noticing the blooms off the coast of Brazil,

0:46:57.239 --> 0:47:00.600
<v Speaker 1>and the satellite images from two thousand eleven, and then

0:47:00.719 --> 0:47:04.759
<v Speaker 1>Young also points to research by someone named Ming Chi

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Wang from the University of South Florida who, along with

0:47:08.680 --> 0:47:11.440
<v Speaker 1>her colleagues, they've basically established that, yeah, this bloom is

0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:14.799
<v Speaker 1>just going to be an ongoing yearly thing. Now, uh

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:18.520
<v Speaker 1>that that it's coming and it's probably not going to stop. Though.

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>One of the interesting things this article gets into is

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:25.480
<v Speaker 1>a delay between the proximate causes that are likely leading

0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 1>to the blooms and then when the blooms show up

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>within you know, what we can see with our satellites

0:47:30.719 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 1>or what's piling up on our beaches. Because a couple

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:37.399
<v Speaker 1>of the factors that have been identified as likely candidates

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 1>leading to these blooms. One is um is water being

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.719
<v Speaker 1>discharged from the Amazon River, you know, coming out of

0:47:45.719 --> 0:47:50.600
<v Speaker 1>South America. UM. And this water coming out of the

0:47:50.640 --> 0:47:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Amazon River is probably being especially saturated with nutrients from

0:47:57.280 --> 0:48:01.359
<v Speaker 1>agriculture that's happening all along the US on basin, and

0:48:01.440 --> 0:48:04.440
<v Speaker 1>so this is like it's like fertilizer that is flooding

0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.040
<v Speaker 1>into the ocean and then of course that is feeding

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>blooms of of this macro algae. And then there are

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 1>other factors they get into that are probably contributing, such

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.439
<v Speaker 1>as like what the different temperatures are this year. It's

0:48:16.480 --> 0:48:18.840
<v Speaker 1>the same thing you were talking about that um that

0:48:19.000 --> 0:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>climate change doesn't seem to be the cause of it

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 1>in the sense of increasing ocean temperatures lead to uh,

0:48:26.320 --> 0:48:29.080
<v Speaker 1>lead to macro alogy blooms, because that doesn't appear to

0:48:29.080 --> 0:48:32.880
<v Speaker 1>be the case, but downstream other effects of climate change

0:48:32.880 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 1>are very likely contributing to this. It's just not the

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:39.520
<v Speaker 1>temperature of the water itself. Another factor that they're talking

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 1>about is access to the seed populations of of seaweed.

0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:48.360
<v Speaker 1>It's like, how many patches of seaweed are there leftover

0:48:48.480 --> 0:48:51.560
<v Speaker 1>that survived the winter of the previous year and can

0:48:51.600 --> 0:48:54.880
<v Speaker 1>act as a kind of seed for the regrowth of

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>the seaweed every new season. Yeah, because I think it

0:48:58.200 --> 0:49:01.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of brings back that point of the neumaticis having

0:49:01.680 --> 0:49:04.360
<v Speaker 1>a like a year's lifespan, so there's going to be

0:49:04.360 --> 0:49:06.960
<v Speaker 1>a certain amount of crossover as well here from one

0:49:07.000 --> 0:49:09.920
<v Speaker 1>year to the next. UM. I was impressed one of

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the quotes that you pulled from from the Young article

0:49:13.120 --> 0:49:17.640
<v Speaker 1>just about how many tons of seaweed we're talking about here? Yeah, yeah, Yeah,

0:49:17.719 --> 0:49:19.640
<v Speaker 1>So the estimate I think this would be referring to

0:49:19.680 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 1>the year previous to when this article was written, So

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:24.400
<v Speaker 1>it was published in twenty nineteen, so I think this

0:49:24.440 --> 0:49:28.400
<v Speaker 1>would be referring to the summer of eighteen during June,

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:33.040
<v Speaker 1>when the Sargassin Belt was at its most fruitful, it

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:37.239
<v Speaker 1>was estimated to contain twenty two million tons of seaweed.

0:49:37.600 --> 0:49:40.840
<v Speaker 1>And then there's even a clarification later in the article

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:46.120
<v Speaker 1>that that estimate is probably low since the resolution of

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 1>the satellite camera that's taking the infrared imagery to establish

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that number, it has like a minimum sort of pixel

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:56.239
<v Speaker 1>distance resolution, so it can only see patches that show

0:49:56.320 --> 0:49:58.880
<v Speaker 1>up at a minimum resolution of something like a kilometer.

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it was it could be about that, uh,

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 1>doing that just stuff memory, but I think that's what

0:50:03.560 --> 0:50:06.040
<v Speaker 1>it was. And uh, And so like patches that are

0:50:06.080 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 1>smaller than that, with which there are probably plenty, they're

0:50:08.640 --> 0:50:11.439
<v Speaker 1>not even really showing up on the imaging. So that's

0:50:11.440 --> 0:50:14.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of seaweed. That's a lot of seaweed, folks,

0:50:14.080 --> 0:50:17.680
<v Speaker 1>And that's a lot, and that's ending up on a

0:50:17.719 --> 0:50:20.279
<v Speaker 1>lot of it's ending up on the shores eventually. But

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 1>one thing that is worth stressing again is that while

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 1>researchers have probably identified some very good candidates for the

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:31.400
<v Speaker 1>explanations of of these blooms and inundations of sargassum in

0:50:31.400 --> 0:50:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the last decade or so. There's still some uncertainty. There's

0:50:34.080 --> 0:50:36.880
<v Speaker 1>like stuff we don't know about what what could be

0:50:36.960 --> 0:50:40.120
<v Speaker 1>leading to it, and what could be the limiting and

0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>contributing factors. Anyway, that the article by ed Young is

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:46.280
<v Speaker 1>a really good read. You should look it up. Yeah, absolutely,

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:50.200
<v Speaker 1>I recommend that one. Now. You know, in the past,

0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:52.920
<v Speaker 1>I think it's been brought up when we're dealing with

0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:56.480
<v Speaker 1>invasive species or species that are out of balance, one

0:50:56.520 --> 0:50:59.280
<v Speaker 1>of the best things that you can do is develop

0:50:59.360 --> 0:51:03.640
<v Speaker 1>an appetite for that species. Uh, in human beings. Now,

0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:06.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't think anybody's making an argument that

0:51:06.719 --> 0:51:10.520
<v Speaker 1>that could um make a difference with the sargassum. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is again worth noting that sargassum is something that

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<v Speaker 1>humans can eat. Uh. We we mentioned that already, And

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<v Speaker 1>I found a wonderful blog titled Eat the Weeds with

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<v Speaker 1>Green Dean Um. So his name is Dean, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>green Dean, get it and the blogs The blog is

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<v Speaker 1>titled Sargassum Sea vegetable, and in this post, Green Dean

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<v Speaker 1>points to a few different culinary traditions that have recipes

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<v Speaker 1>for sargassum uh, though he points out that given the

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<v Speaker 1>different species, basically it's sargassum is going to quote very

0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:46.439
<v Speaker 1>in taste and texture, so there is no one way

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:49.920
<v Speaker 1>to cook your local species uh. He says that some

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:54.040
<v Speaker 1>amount of experimentation is going to be required, but basically

0:51:54.080 --> 0:51:57.560
<v Speaker 1>he goes through different cuisines. In this post, points out

0:51:57.600 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 1>that sometimes it's consumed fresh, other time it's cooked, saying

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<v Speaker 1>coconut milk or vinegar or lemon juice. Other times it's

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<v Speaker 1>smoke dried, or it's boiled. Sometimes it's even sweetened and

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<v Speaker 1>put into steam buns. Sometimes it's cooked with fish. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>they're just numerous ways to approach it, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>worth checking out the link. I recommend it. It said

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<v Speaker 1>eat the weeds dot com. You'll find a post on

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<v Speaker 1>the sargasm sea vegetable um. I'm not sure I've ever

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<v Speaker 1>had sargassum in a dish. Maybe I have and I

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<v Speaker 1>just wasn't alert to it, But now I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>I really, I really want to have it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I have either. I mean, I've had a

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<v Speaker 1>number of seaweed salads, but I don't know what species

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<v Speaker 1>were in them. Yeah, well, I know some basic things.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I know like combo, and combo of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is a seaweed based food additive that is an amazing

0:52:46.400 --> 0:52:49.399
<v Speaker 1>source of umami flavor. It's it's it's almost like raw

0:52:49.600 --> 0:52:54.759
<v Speaker 1>msg it's it's good stuff um but but yeah, other

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<v Speaker 1>than that, I don't know. I mean, I've had I've

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<v Speaker 1>had like various seaweed salads at Japanese restaurants that have

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 1>had different types of seaweeds, some that looked kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like orange brown, like like some species of sargassum do

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe I have I don't know. Huh, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've I've only I know of at least one time,

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<v Speaker 1>had like a sampler of seaweed salads from the Japanese restaurant.

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<v Speaker 1>But in those cases, I think they were all still

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<v Speaker 1>rather green. They didn't have um any kind of darker coloration.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I'm gonna look for it now

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<v Speaker 1>now it is on it is it is something I

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<v Speaker 1>want to specifically try out, knowing that it is sargassum.

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<v Speaker 1>I just looked it up to make sure I I

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<v Speaker 1>thought that combu was not sargassum, and it is not.

0:53:35.200 --> 0:53:38.120
<v Speaker 1>Combu is a type of kelp. Well, obviously we'd love

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<v Speaker 1>to hear from everyone out there about this topic in general,

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<v Speaker 1>but but specifically on this question of the cooking and

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<v Speaker 1>the consumption of sargassum. If you've, if you've, you definitely

0:53:48.880 --> 0:53:50.680
<v Speaker 1>know you've had it, and you've had in a particular

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<v Speaker 1>way that was yummy or or or or not yummy.

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<v Speaker 1>or uh sargassum, seaweed itself. Perhaps you're a snorkeler and

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