Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet, as a production
Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd
Speaker 1: and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.
Speaker 1: So this month Amazon Prime dropped a highly anticipated documentary
Speaker 1: series called Luther Rich breaking down lular Row, the multi
Speaker 1: level marketing company that sold buttery soft leggings and dreams
Speaker 1: of girl boss entrepreneurship to thousands of women all over
Speaker 1: the country. Now, I don't think I need to tell
Speaker 1: you that this turned out to be kind of a
Speaker 1: huge scam. The Washington State Attorney General filed a class
Speaker 1: action lawsuit against Lularow, calling them a pyramid scheme, and
Speaker 1: in February of this year, lu La Row agreed to
Speaker 1: pay four point seventy four million dollars to settle. And
Speaker 1: it kind of also seems like a cult. From gas
Speaker 1: lighting motivational seminars to Lula Row's founder Deane, pressuring women
Speaker 1: to travel to Mexico for weight loss surgery to maintain
Speaker 1: a picture perfect presence, all the service of selling the
Speaker 1: lie that lu La Row was a ticket to working
Speaker 1: moms being able to live happy, fulfilled and balanced lives. Now,
Speaker 1: what's so interesting about Lularo is the women that got
Speaker 1: involved in it, and it's clear the company praised on
Speaker 1: a type educated, ambitious moms, and it's pretty clear why
Speaker 1: there just isn't a lot of societal support for moms
Speaker 1: who want to do wage earning work in America. We
Speaker 1: don't have paid leave, we don't have access to affordable
Speaker 1: childcare solutions for parents who work. That creates this real
Speaker 1: vulnerability for women that can be deeply exploited. Now, if
Speaker 1: you've seen the documentary, which I definitely recommend you check out,
Speaker 1: that you probably already know Reberta Blevins, the hilariously straightforward
Speaker 1: former Lula ro retailer turned anti MLM advocate. Roberta once
Speaker 1: had seventy five Lularo retailers working under her and when
Speaker 1: she left the company, her goal was to get at
Speaker 1: least seventy people to leave. And now, on our podcast
Speaker 1: Life After MLM, Roberta helped so many more see the
Speaker 1: ways that multi level marketing companies like Lularo use tools
Speaker 1: like social media to pray on women and who were
Speaker 1: already vulnerable. So I binged watched Lula La Lula Row
Speaker 1: documentary on Amazon Prime. I watched it. It seemed like
Speaker 1: it went by in like twenty minutes, even though it
Speaker 1: was four episodes. Um, my first question is the reaction
Speaker 1: has been so huge. You know, I was reading your
Speaker 1: piece and your your the piece and variety that quotes you.
Speaker 1: What is your response to seeing this huge reaction to
Speaker 1: the film Lula Rich? Well, okay, so I was on
Speaker 1: the phone of Lache last night and we were talking
Speaker 1: about this exact thing, and she's like, girl, I knew
Speaker 1: it would be number one eventually, and I said, right,
Speaker 1: but I just didn't know what happened so fast. So
Speaker 1: that's sort of how I feel about it, Like this
Speaker 1: has been the last four years of my life. They
Speaker 1: don't really go into it in the documentary, but from
Speaker 1: the day I left Lula Ro, I started speaking out
Speaker 1: against them, I started exposing them. I've been probably public
Speaker 1: enemy number one for the past four years, I said
Speaker 1: the Vice documentary. I talked to Bloomberg. I've helped with
Speaker 1: a lot of the you know sources say I'm a
Speaker 1: lot of those sources. Um, I have a lot of sources.
Speaker 1: I shared a lot of things, I've done a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff. So for me, like I sort of kind
Speaker 1: of like expected it on in my small realm because
Speaker 1: I have been talking about this and I have been
Speaker 1: like promoting it in like the anti MLM communities and
Speaker 1: like that small niche um. But like, like I said,
Speaker 1: like I didn't expect it to sort of seep out
Speaker 1: of our community quite so quickly. Um, And I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm really excited because I just think people need to
Speaker 1: hear the story and it's this is just literally like
Speaker 1: the tip of iceberg and just a little bit of
Speaker 1: a scratch, Like there's so much more stuff. There was
Speaker 1: so much more stuff in this than there was advice,
Speaker 1: and there's so much more stuff that hasn't been uncovered
Speaker 1: yet that I'm just really excited to see what other
Speaker 1: creators and and people discover and create from this moment
Speaker 1: forward totally, So like what are some of the things
Speaker 1: that you're thinking, Like, Oh, if they were to do
Speaker 1: a part too, like and they got to mention this,
Speaker 1: I wish they mentioned that. Like, for instance, I was
Speaker 1: watching this really dark YouTube video that went in the
Speaker 1: detail about the weight loss surgeries that that Danne was
Speaker 1: like propped in folks to get and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: they didn't really get into like how seedy and dark
Speaker 1: that is, Like, what are some of the stuff that
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, they do a part two, they got
Speaker 1: to include this, you know. That was one of the things,
Speaker 1: like there was not a lot of stuff about the
Speaker 1: weight loss surgery. I think it was like glazed over,
Speaker 1: which I get. You know, Um, there there's a lot there. Um.
Speaker 1: Danne has taken a lot of people down there. On
Speaker 1: their website on Facebook, their Facebook page of this place.
Speaker 1: There are so many before and after photos of women
Speaker 1: in Lulu Ro, Like it's very obvious where they're coming from.
Speaker 1: There's sometimes there's Lulu Ro business signs are like in
Speaker 1: the photos too, and they're wearing the clothes and so
Speaker 1: it's very obvious. And Danne has admitted to taking um
Speaker 1: children as young as thirteen down there to get weight loss. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's a lot of stuff that like just was
Speaker 1: not included. But I understand, like I don't know, this
Speaker 1: thing literally could have been to ten episodes, but I'm
Speaker 1: not even joking it event and episodes, and I still
Speaker 1: probably would be sitting here going and then forgot to
Speaker 1: add this too. Um. There was one of the things
Speaker 1: that bothered me. And I was already out when this happened,
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of times, and we see
Speaker 1: it with influencers to a lot of times, when you
Speaker 1: have a lot of power and a lot of influence
Speaker 1: in a company or on a platform, you can get
Speaker 1: away from murder. Not technically like actually murder, um, but
Speaker 1: you can get away with a lot of things. And
Speaker 1: that was happening a lot and running rampant and Lulu
Speaker 1: Ro and we thought that that wasn't really fair. People
Speaker 1: were being terminated for like using the wrong fonts and
Speaker 1: the wrong colors. And then somebody could go on Alive
Speaker 1: and um basically mock someone with special needs and Lulu
Speaker 1: Ro would side with them and say, well they use
Speaker 1: lulu Ro as there the way they feed their family.
Speaker 1: And they said they were sorry, so we're not going
Speaker 1: to terminate them. Um. There was somebody who was like
Speaker 1: telling a deaf person they should just turn it up
Speaker 1: if she can't hear them, and just really just obnoxious,
Speaker 1: obnoxious stuff that made me wonder, like can do you
Speaker 1: know people can see you? Like you know this is
Speaker 1: like live in public, Like people can see you do this?
Speaker 1: Why are you doing this? And again Lula would would
Speaker 1: always side with them. There was a huge thing with
Speaker 1: the national down syndrome Society for the National Down sydom
Speaker 1: Society said, Um, you either terminate this couple that marked
Speaker 1: special needs or will terminate our our our partnership, will
Speaker 1: terminate our partnership with you, and um Lulu Ro said,
Speaker 1: like I said, well, he already apologized and and you know,
Speaker 1: he made them so much money. They sold hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of dollars for the stuff. They made them so
Speaker 1: much money, and Lulu Re sided with them, and the
Speaker 1: National Down Syndrooms, the National Down Syndrome Society put out
Speaker 1: a statement saying that they were entering ending their partnership
Speaker 1: with Lulu Ro. It's all on like you can find
Speaker 1: all of this online. Um, they were ending their partnership
Speaker 1: with lule Ro because they didn't feel that Lulu Rou
Speaker 1: was really willing to accept that this was bad and
Speaker 1: that they were gonna they were gonna cide with somebody
Speaker 1: that had done bad things and it was against everything
Speaker 1: that they were going because the person that he mocked
Speaker 1: had Down syndrome and or he was mocking special needs
Speaker 1: and then he used someone with Down syndrome as a
Speaker 1: prop in his apology. Yeah it's great, Yeah, that's great. So, um,
Speaker 1: I know it's just like so Lularu sided with our um.
Speaker 1: Lula sided with this couple, and the National Down Society
Speaker 1: said we're gonna end our partnership and this beautiful statement UM.
Speaker 1: And then about an hour later, Lulure came out with
Speaker 1: their statement, which was pretty much the exact opposite, and
Speaker 1: they said that the reason that Luluro had decided to
Speaker 1: end the partnership with the National Down Syndrom Society that right,
Speaker 1: was that Lulauro felt that the National Down Syndroom Society's
Speaker 1: UM mission was too narrow because they only wanted to
Speaker 1: help people with Down syndrome and Luluo wanted to help everyone.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's the first like example of
Speaker 1: like an all lives mattered any think right. And I
Speaker 1: remember here like like I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like they were the first ones. Oh man, I mean
Speaker 1: that story really does crystallize how good they are at
Speaker 1: twisting the truth to make themselves look like they're the
Speaker 1: more like noble or like the people who were like
Speaker 1: doing right like in that documentary. I was like, they
Speaker 1: must have taken hours of like pr coaching too, the
Speaker 1: way they twist words and twist stories where it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: actually I just wanted to cut these people in because
Speaker 1: it was such a good deal. Like blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: Like how they're able to twist everything so that they're
Speaker 1: so virtuous. I really I don't want to give them
Speaker 1: props for that. It's so amazing. I mean, I will
Speaker 1: say I was sitting there watching the documentary. Obviously I
Speaker 1: was watching it, and um there was I mean, I
Speaker 1: lived it, so there was really nothing shocking to me.
Speaker 1: The only shocking thing that I really experienced, Um, we're
Speaker 1: hearing the deposition, so I had read the depositions. I
Speaker 1: was a part of that lawsuit. They also they don't
Speaker 1: bring that up either, but I was a witness against
Speaker 1: Lularo in the Washington Pyramids team lawsuit and I helped
Speaker 1: with the investigation with the team incredible Team Bomb and
Speaker 1: his team are fantastic, really really one of the coolest experiences.
Speaker 1: And it was the very first time that their parents,
Speaker 1: their anti pyramid scheme law had ever been tried, and
Speaker 1: it was a row and it was like a history
Speaker 1: making case and they had it on the books for
Speaker 1: like ten plus years, and it was the first time
Speaker 1: that they had ever been tried. So it's really really cool. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of that. And you know, they settled
Speaker 1: in February for four point seven five million. Uh, the
Speaker 1: point seven five went to pay for the three year investigation,
Speaker 1: so Washington took a hit on that. Um, they all
Speaker 1: basically just did it at cost. And then that the
Speaker 1: four million went into a restitution fund and checks went
Speaker 1: out I think in August, So everybody should have their
Speaker 1: checks right now. The most shocking thing to me in
Speaker 1: this documentary because I had read the depositions, because I
Speaker 1: had you know, I know what they had said, but
Speaker 1: I had never heard the tone in which it was said,
Speaker 1: and so I knew that Dan was like, oh she
Speaker 1: really got two like that sad, but I thought she
Speaker 1: was saying I thought she was saying it in like
Speaker 1: a oh, that's like hearing it. I was like oh,
Speaker 1: and then hearing other the way that she said others,
Speaker 1: it was just so cold and knowing her and being
Speaker 1: around her and having conversations with her like I never
Speaker 1: met that person. I saw the person that person on
Speaker 1: the videos, but I never saw like calculated cold and
Speaker 1: so that to me, just the way that Dan answered
Speaker 1: questions was literally the most shocking thing for me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was it was almost hard to watch. Also, the
Speaker 1: level to it. She really is like, oh, I don't recall,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1: It's like, Wow, for somebody who was running this like business,
Speaker 1: you really don't know any of the specifics what went
Speaker 1: on interesting No. One thing that really shocked me about
Speaker 1: Lula Rich were the scenes of Lula Rose founders being
Speaker 1: deposed in court. Basically, they really use the old I
Speaker 1: don't recall trick to avoid incriminating themselves. It turns out
Speaker 1: selective amnesia to avoid accountability is a big part of
Speaker 1: the brand. That even includes their founders kind of pretending
Speaker 1: to not know Jordan Brady, their own family member, and
Speaker 1: a lu La Ro higher up who was caught on
Speaker 1: camera saying the company was trying to distance itself from
Speaker 1: being a pyramid scheme. Yeah. One of the one of
Speaker 1: the things that we had to prove. This so ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but one of the things that that we were tasked
Speaker 1: to prove in the pyramid scheme lawsuit was that Jordan
Speaker 1: Brady actually worked at Lula Row because he had said,
Speaker 1: and you know, you see that he had said that
Speaker 1: we need to get away from being a pyramid scheme,
Speaker 1: and so they wanted to distance themselves from him as
Speaker 1: much as possible. He is like Danne's youngest biological son,
Speaker 1: and they were like, who's Jordan's and he was good,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, did he work here? I don't recall um?
Speaker 1: And so some of the evidence that I sent over
Speaker 1: were like emails between Jordan and I about me getting
Speaker 1: on boarded and having questions about things, and I was like,
Speaker 1: and then a screenshot of him and I with my
Speaker 1: old upline doing a webinar, like an official Lula ro
Speaker 1: Lula famous webinaru, and he and I are in that photo,
Speaker 1: and I said, here is this the Jordan we're saying
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't work here? So yeah, you know, because everybody
Speaker 1: else's fault La Lula Row always, you know, I have
Speaker 1: to ask, like I made one podcast about Lularo and
Speaker 1: MLMs years ago, and I've covered so many different things,
Speaker 1: like I've covered Nazis and like some of the worst
Speaker 1: people on the Internet. But the time that I talked
Speaker 1: negatively about lu La Row, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: gotten more hate correspondents, more emails, and I know that,
Speaker 1: you you know, people come after you as well. Like,
Speaker 1: do you ever get scared or what is it like
Speaker 1: to really be trying to hold folks accountable and just
Speaker 1: tell the truth of what you've experienced and what you
Speaker 1: saw and know that there's going to be an army
Speaker 1: of people who are very, very invested in proving you wrong.
Speaker 1: Like what is that? Like, I mean, I have the receipts,
Speaker 1: so I'm not super worried. You know, it's really funny.
Speaker 1: I've seen so many things said about me that are
Speaker 1: so unbelievably not even close to being true. Um, I
Speaker 1: was accused of running a hate fueled hate cult. That
Speaker 1: was fun. I know, It's like, okay, all right, that's me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I hate cult. I was like, I hate cult. Um.
Speaker 1: Someone on my TikTok went after me the other night, um,
Speaker 1: saying that I was a liar and then I'm still
Speaker 1: a hun and then I'm still scamming people, um, and
Speaker 1: that I'm just mad. She said, she's just mad that
Speaker 1: someone exposed this scam and her sixty dollar checks dried up.
Speaker 1: And I said, one, I've never had a sixty check,
Speaker 1: and too, I was the one that left and exposed it.
Speaker 1: Like it's like that that was me, the one you're
Speaker 1: saying exposed it, that's me. How can it be the
Speaker 1: same person. So it's just like ridiculous things. People don't
Speaker 1: want to listen to the truth. People don't want She
Speaker 1: was telling my my my timeline was all over the place.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, She's like, I'm super anti MLM and
Speaker 1: your timeline is super sussed. And my followers were like,
Speaker 1: you're clearly not anti ammale. That's one that has been
Speaker 1: speaking out for four years. She has another movie. There's
Speaker 1: there's no way you don't know who she is if
Speaker 1: you're actually super anti EMLEM like you claim it was
Speaker 1: a brand new account. Was one person following, like, no pictures,
Speaker 1: no anything. I mean, it's a hunt. It's a hun.
Speaker 1: It's a hun getting on TikTok on my account, hoping
Speaker 1: to convince new people that don't know me, don't follow me,
Speaker 1: don't know my story, don't know my history, that I'm
Speaker 1: suspicious and that what I say in the documentary is
Speaker 1: most likely lies and that people should investigate me. And
Speaker 1: I was like, all you have to do is google
Speaker 1: my name, like literally everything is there. Literally, I don't
Speaker 1: I don't hide any of the stuff that I've uncovered
Speaker 1: and I don't just uncover Lulu Roy uncover MLM's like
Speaker 1: and so it's funny to me, I get all kinds
Speaker 1: of hate from like other MLM. So I'm talking about
Speaker 1: Black Oxygen Organics. I gotta hate email the other day
Speaker 1: that said we're coming for you. You should have never
Speaker 1: spoke about BOO And I was like, all right, bring it.
Speaker 1: It's just weird stuff, you know, Like they went to
Speaker 1: all of the the review sites Amazon, Rotten Tomatoes and
Speaker 1: IMDb and they all mass reported and like mass down
Speaker 1: voted and and gave him one star reviews and and
Speaker 1: just said like how ridiculous it is. And I mean
Speaker 1: it's not normal, Like it's not you know, you watch
Speaker 1: Going Clear, or you watch Scion till like Aftermath, or
Speaker 1: you listen to a little Bit Culty and you listen
Speaker 1: to me. You listen to these podcasts and these these
Speaker 1: these could shows. There's no other industry or experience that
Speaker 1: you will experience this sort of hatred fair gaming like
Speaker 1: bullying and attacking except for colts. Right, it feels like
Speaker 1: you have to know when someone is responding that way
Speaker 1: that they're they're still in and the fact that you
Speaker 1: are telling the truth about what I have committed their
Speaker 1: lives too, probably is like very threatening to them and
Speaker 1: their whole sense of self. Absolutely absolutely, and I get it.
Speaker 1: I was there. I'm sure if you go back five
Speaker 1: six years you can find posts on lutle Row. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm blocked from it now, so I would never be
Speaker 1: able to see but of me saying little Row changed
Speaker 1: my life. It's the most amazing company. And these people
Speaker 1: are just entertainters, like I'm sure there's at least one
Speaker 1: of those somewhere, you know. But I was in occult
Speaker 1: and I was brainwashed like most of us. Um and
Speaker 1: you know, you when you see it, you can't unsee it.
Speaker 1: Let's say a quick break and are back. I've noticed
Speaker 1: on Instagram and TikTok since the documentary coming out, so
Speaker 1: many other women, you know, looking back at their image
Speaker 1: their pictures and being like, I can't believe the things
Speaker 1: I used to say, Like it feels like it must
Speaker 1: it must be incredibly cathartic for these women to speak
Speaker 1: up about their experiences and just get it off their
Speaker 1: chats and like all the things they did to try
Speaker 1: to make this this gammy call work for them. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: so I always say on my podcast when I talked
Speaker 1: to I have a survivor's podcast called Life After MLM,
Speaker 1: and I talked to survivors from all different emilems, not
Speaker 1: just little Round. There are a lot of lutle road
Speaker 1: stories on there, obviously, but um, you know, I have
Speaker 1: the survivor's podcast. I talked to people from Amway, I
Speaker 1: talked to people from mary Kay, I talked to people
Speaker 1: from everywhere, herbal life, everywhere, right, And nothing in these
Speaker 1: stories really changes except for like shocking details and the names.
Speaker 1: Pretty much it's the same exact story of like being
Speaker 1: in an MLM, being like what is going on? Figuring
Speaker 1: it out, and like escaping. I guess people just like
Speaker 1: being like left financially devastated. When I talk to these
Speaker 1: people on the podcast, we have these conversations I don't
Speaker 1: want to call them interviews because they're very casual, um,
Speaker 1: And we interrupt each other and we laugh and we
Speaker 1: make jokes and sometimes they're you know, inappropriate for the time.
Speaker 1: We're talking about serious things, and we pop in with
Speaker 1: something because if you don't laugh, you cry. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's incredibly cathartic to to talk to victims. And I
Speaker 1: get so many email messages from people that are like
Speaker 1: I heard this episode, I wasn't Mary Kay. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much to Laura for speaking about it. I felt
Speaker 1: so connected to her. I felt so validated by her truth.
Speaker 1: She explained something that happened to me that no one
Speaker 1: has ever said, Oh, that happens, And this random person
Speaker 1: that you talked to validated me. And I'm not crazy,
Speaker 1: Like there's proof that I'm not crazy. I was gas
Speaker 1: lit in this company and they told me all these things.
Speaker 1: And I'm listening to you talk to these women and
Speaker 1: sometimes people and I have men on there too, and
Speaker 1: sometimes people will say something and I'll stop them and
Speaker 1: I'll say, well, that's a cult tactic that you just described,
Speaker 1: like it's not your fault, Like that's a colt tactic
Speaker 1: what you're talking about, And this is why that works,
Speaker 1: and this is how it fits in the pyramid, and
Speaker 1: this is why they will use it, and this is
Speaker 1: how it's all working together like a bunch of constant machine.
Speaker 1: And I think a lot of people go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: oh my god, and it clicks right, and they don't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't click. And so I think what's happening right now,
Speaker 1: like you said, is there's all these people that watched
Speaker 1: a little rich they were like, oh my god, I
Speaker 1: was a part of this company. It's a total garbage dump,
Speaker 1: trash sheep. Let's watch this movie and they're thinking popcorn
Speaker 1: time and by third episode there in tears and they're going,
Speaker 1: oh my god, I can't believe I was apart. I
Speaker 1: didn't know it when so deep, I didn't realize I
Speaker 1: heard about this, but I heard it was a rumor.
Speaker 1: I thought this was happening, but I never had proof.
Speaker 1: And here's all the proof of everything you experienced, everything
Speaker 1: you were told, told by people who were successful, told
Speaker 1: by people who did see that there was a problem
Speaker 1: and did speak out. All of us that are in
Speaker 1: that documentary have been speaking out for a long time.
Speaker 1: I mean not all of us. There's a couple of
Speaker 1: movies in there I've never seen before, but the majority
Speaker 1: of the people in there, I've been speaking out and
Speaker 1: and helping investigate LUUOE for a really long time. And
Speaker 1: so I love that there are complete strangers that I've
Speaker 1: never met hearing this message, watching this film. Finding the
Speaker 1: catharsis that they've never had the validation that they never
Speaker 1: got when they were gasolate in this cold. Finally, years
Speaker 1: after are watching this film and going bully, sh it,
Speaker 1: it's not me, and they are there. I call it
Speaker 1: Lula cringe. I posted all the time Lula cringe, and
Speaker 1: you share your Lula cringe, right, and you're like, look
Speaker 1: at what I'm wearing. There's a photo of men, like,
Speaker 1: look at me standing by this giant lollipop. What the
Speaker 1: hell am I wedding? This was the worst of it,
Speaker 1: you guys. I left like a month later. What is
Speaker 1: going on? And so we think a lot of times.
Speaker 1: And then it's really funny because former survivors and victims
Speaker 1: will come in and they'll make jokes, you know, and
Speaker 1: I go, I know that they know because they're making
Speaker 1: an inside joke that it's a dog whistle for us, right,
Speaker 1: Like they say something and I go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you get it girl, and we're laughing and we're having
Speaker 1: a good time and we're saying, I can't believe I
Speaker 1: did this. I'm so stupid, and I say, hey, you're
Speaker 1: not alone. Okay, you're not alone. There was ninety thousand
Speaker 1: of us. I mean, I don't know how many either
Speaker 1: actually was that those numbers have always been inflated and incorrect,
Speaker 1: and I never knew the actual number ever, not even once.
Speaker 1: But you know, if we say there were ninety thousand
Speaker 1: of us, then there's there's a lot more victims out
Speaker 1: there that probably still think it's them and are watching
Speaker 1: Lula Rich and going, oh my god, it wasn't me.
Speaker 1: So I love it. I love seeing everybody's Lula cringe.
Speaker 1: I love seeing everybody's stories. I love jumping in the
Speaker 1: comments and saying yes, I remember this, thank you, because
Speaker 1: it not only validates them, it validates me too. I
Speaker 1: have so many haters that are telling me that I'm
Speaker 1: just bitter. I mean d M did literally did alive
Speaker 1: today and said not to watch, you know, not to
Speaker 1: bother with Lulu ro and Lulu or not to bother
Speaker 1: with lul Rich because it's just the story of four
Speaker 1: consultants who couldn't make im work. Out of hundreds, you know,
Speaker 1: out of hundreds and thousands, it's just four of us.
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you for real now, it's
Speaker 1: just the four of us, just four of us. Okay,
Speaker 1: they made a movie because there's just four of us. Right.
Speaker 1: There was a big lawsuit because it was just four people.
Speaker 1: There's a billion dollar laws because there's just four of us.
Speaker 1: Um it's insane. I have four separate interviews on my
Speaker 1: podcast with four separate LULARO consultants, so there's at least
Speaker 1: eight of us. I mean. That's something that I think
Speaker 1: the documentary really does a nice job of touching on
Speaker 1: is that when women started going to the defector Facebook
Speaker 1: groups and sharing their stories and getting that validation that
Speaker 1: like this the power of of hearing that you're not alone,
Speaker 1: hearing that you're not crazy, like after you've been legit
Speaker 1: no ship gasolate for so long, Like going back and
Speaker 1: watching some of those motivational speaker style conferences, I was like,
Speaker 1: this is just gas fighting, Like this is like brainwashing, indoctrination.
Speaker 1: The power are of hearing someone say no, you're right,
Speaker 1: even for little things of like yeah, you're right. My
Speaker 1: leggings did smell like a dead part. You're right, they
Speaker 1: did arrive wet, like things like things that they have
Speaker 1: been told from you know, the lu La Row higher
Speaker 1: ups that are not happening right, Like the power of
Speaker 1: that validation someone saying no, trust what you see with
Speaker 1: your own eyes, what you feel in your gut, like
Speaker 1: you're you're you know you're right. You know your experience, like,
Speaker 1: that's so powerful, you know. I even got some validation today.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was I think it was
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Somebody commented on one of my posts on
Speaker 1: Instagram and said, I used to work at lular Row.
Speaker 1: The reason that you're legging smelled so bad is because
Speaker 1: when they were outside and those big metal crates are
Speaker 1: called gay lords. Without these big metal gaylords out in
Speaker 1: the middle of this parking lot for months on end
Speaker 1: under blue tarts. They said, well, they had like a
Speaker 1: team because what would happen is rats and possums would
Speaker 1: sleep in them, and sometimes they get stuck and die,
Speaker 1: and so they'd have to go and fish out the
Speaker 1: dead rats and possums, and then they would throw away
Speaker 1: the garment that was touching it, but none of the
Speaker 1: existing garments around it. He's like, so that might have
Speaker 1: been or she I don't remember it was a user
Speaker 1: name I didn't check up, but that they were like,
Speaker 1: that might be why that your leggings smelled like dead rats.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, I've literally called
Speaker 1: them dead rat leggings before. And I was like, are
Speaker 1: you fucking kidding me? And I was literally dead rats
Speaker 1: in then I called that ship like three years ago. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know a dead rat when you
Speaker 1: smell one. I live in the country, y'all, I know
Speaker 1: a dead rat. Smell one. More. After a quick break,
Speaker 1: let's get right back into it. There just is not
Speaker 1: a ton of societal support for moms in America. And
Speaker 1: it someone comes along and tells a mom that she
Speaker 1: can make good money, making her own schedule, and still
Speaker 1: be able to be a present figure in the lives
Speaker 1: of her family and kids, it's really not surprising that
Speaker 1: so many of them would jump on that opportunity, even
Speaker 1: if it seems too good to be true. The vulnerability
Speaker 1: baked into the experience of being a mom leaves women
Speaker 1: open to being preyed on by MLMs. I have my
Speaker 1: own thoughts about why smart, ambitious, educated women got involved
Speaker 1: with and not just LULARO, but like m l m
Speaker 1: S and l m l ms in general. I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's very enticing to be told that you
Speaker 1: can be there for your kids if you're a mom,
Speaker 1: make good money, you know, really be a present figure
Speaker 1: in your parents and your kid's life. We just don't
Speaker 1: live in a place that really has a lot of
Speaker 1: options for a lot for like moms if you're trying
Speaker 1: to work and raise your kids. And so I think
Speaker 1: that my senses is that these companies prey on women
Speaker 1: and a lot of times the moms who don't really
Speaker 1: have a lot of options. And I just wonder, like,
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on why so many women get
Speaker 1: mixed up in m l M s um So, I
Speaker 1: think the main component to getting lured in, like Robert says,
Speaker 1: I love that quote in the movie Robertson Robert is fantastic.
Speaker 1: If you guys don't know who Robert Fitzpatrick is, by
Speaker 1: his book Ponsionomics, it is amazing if you are anti
Speaker 1: MLM or want to be. It is the complete like
Speaker 1: history of m limit is one of the best books
Speaker 1: I've ever read, which is just fascinating. Um. But the
Speaker 1: way that people get blured in, because that's what it is, right,
Speaker 1: Nobody really thinks like this is amazing, like I need
Speaker 1: to do this. It's always like, girl, it would be
Speaker 1: so good at that, and you're just like, and it
Speaker 1: really is a loover. It really is a lure. Um.
Speaker 1: The number one thing is vulnerability. The number one thing. Uh,
Speaker 1: and the more vulnerabilities you have, the more likely you
Speaker 1: will get sucked in. Um. You know, people have hardships,
Speaker 1: and they think, if I could just win the lotto,
Speaker 1: if I could just make an extra hundred dollars a week,
Speaker 1: if I could just like get some money, or like
Speaker 1: get like a really good deal or like something like,
Speaker 1: it could change everything. If I could just go on
Speaker 1: a game show and win ten thousand dollars, can pay
Speaker 1: all my bills, I'd be back in the green and
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a problem. Because so there's this whole like,
Speaker 1: if I could just do this, if I could just
Speaker 1: be that person to just beat all the odds, Right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat all the odds. It's gonna be me.
Speaker 1: I believe in myself. These boss bibs believe in me too.
Speaker 1: They're telling me how great I am. I know I'm great.
Speaker 1: It wasn't feeling how great I'm but now I'm really
Speaker 1: feeling how great because these women are reinforcing what a
Speaker 1: rock star I'm gonna be. And I already believe I'm
Speaker 1: a rock star. And now someone I don't even know
Speaker 1: susan in me, Oh my god, it must be true.
Speaker 1: M So you're already vulnerable and what they're promising you ultimately,
Speaker 1: because you hear it all the time. It's not about
Speaker 1: the product. It's about the opportunity. It's not about the shampoo.
Speaker 1: It's about the sisterhood. It's not about the weight loss,
Speaker 1: it's about the accountability. It's not about the product. It's
Speaker 1: about the opportunity. Right, It's just it. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: because what they're truly selling you is a dream. They're
Speaker 1: selling you on the opportunity to possibly, maybe, if you're
Speaker 1: lucky enough, have the ability to possibly get to the
Speaker 1: top of the pyramid and all of your your dreams
Speaker 1: will come true. So dream big. Keep that dopamine rushing
Speaker 1: through your veins, because as long as you're continually like
Speaker 1: basically lying to yourself and living this fakett, you make
Speaker 1: it lifestyle where the dopamines just coming in. You're like,
Speaker 1: it feels so good. I'm just gonna keep doing this
Speaker 1: because it seems to be working. It's a dream. It
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, Robert says it. If you were to invite
Speaker 1: five friends and tell them to invite five friends after
Speaker 1: thirteen levels, you exceed the population of Earth. It's not possible.
Speaker 1: Seven percent of people across the board losing MLM. So
Speaker 1: what are we actually selling here? It's a farce, It's
Speaker 1: a dream. It's the possibility that you might maybe one
Speaker 1: day get the ability to kind of off like maybe
Speaker 1: maybe make it if you work really hard. But if
Speaker 1: you don't work really hard, that's on you. If you
Speaker 1: don't make it, it's because you just work cut out
Speaker 1: for this mm hmm. And I can't help but I
Speaker 1: know they touch on this in the film, but I
Speaker 1: can't help but see the ways that like our sort
Speaker 1: of social media landscape really feeds that. Like I you've
Speaker 1: mentioned in the film that they wanted you to take
Speaker 1: pictures of yourself making a big, messy breakfast with your kids,
Speaker 1: or like, you know, they wanted people to have these
Speaker 1: very curated, picture perfect Instagram feeds and hashtag everything because
Speaker 1: lu La Row. You know, I wonder what role do
Speaker 1: you think that things like Instagram and Facebook and Facebook Live, Like,
Speaker 1: what role do even that played and in making lu
Speaker 1: La Row sort of like what it was, It was instrumental,
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely instrumental. Before Luluro i was, I had been
Speaker 1: a professional blogger um and I had a decent little following.
Speaker 1: It's all defunct now, but I had a decent little following,
Speaker 1: and so I understood algorithms. I understood how to grow
Speaker 1: on social media authentically. I knew how to brand myself. Um.
Speaker 1: And when they heard that I knew how to do
Speaker 1: that stuff, They're like, oh my god, you have to
Speaker 1: teach the class, like you're a social media a queen,
Speaker 1: Like you're so amazing, Like you have to teach all
Speaker 1: of us how to do that. And so it was
Speaker 1: a lot of like me trying to you it's it's
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you could teach it. To
Speaker 1: be perfectly honest, some of it is just like just inherent.
Speaker 1: I would say you have to have pretty pictures, and
Speaker 1: then someone's like, could you look at my feet and
Speaker 1: tell me what you think? And I'm just like what
Speaker 1: did you not even listen to what I said? Um?
Speaker 1: So you know, I really didn't like as I was
Speaker 1: teaching people how to grow authentically, uh, and to create
Speaker 1: you know, authentic curated posts about your life, nothing over
Speaker 1: the top and ridiculous, but real, um, like a normal
Speaker 1: social media influence overdo um. It was like you should
Speaker 1: be talking more about little Row and like, oh, you
Speaker 1: went to Disneyland. Did you put because of Little Row?
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I mean, isn't because well, you got
Speaker 1: to go because you're not working because of Little Row
Speaker 1: and you had money to buy churros because of And
Speaker 1: I was like, what isn't I mean we here in
Speaker 1: the documentary that because of Little Row isn't actually even
Speaker 1: a hashtag at all. Indiana doesn't even know it, doesn't
Speaker 1: even know what it means. She's never seen it before, right,
Speaker 1: she's never seen it before. I will tell you, though,
Speaker 1: there's another hashtag they didn't mention that Dane will probably
Speaker 1: also deny knowing about. And that's the hashtag because of Dan.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she loved that one, yeah, but has never
Speaker 1: seen it. Right. Anytime Deanne had a bad day and
Speaker 1: like social media people were being mean to her, we
Speaker 1: had to make posts of appreciation for Dan and tag
Speaker 1: it because of Dane. Wow, I mean that's a cult.
Speaker 1: That's like, that's could like absolutely it's a cult. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I figured out I was on a cold
Speaker 1: because I was watching Leo Romani's Scientology after Math and
Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I burst into tears. And
Speaker 1: my husband at the time, we are we are divorced,
Speaker 1: but it's not because of little row Um. He was like,
Speaker 1: are you okay? And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: there I goll like I just knew. I just knew.
Speaker 1: I just knew. God, I'm some most weird, but I
Speaker 1: just I just knew. I saw like the Scientology survivors,
Speaker 1: and they were saying things, and I had an example
Speaker 1: for everything, like a Lulu row example for everything they
Speaker 1: were saying. I was like, that happened to me in
Speaker 1: this way, and it was just I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I'm in a colt. I mean, so smart
Speaker 1: and educated, vulnerable. I joined a cult. It was so easy.
Speaker 1: It was the easiest thing I've ever done. Joining that
Speaker 1: could really exactly joining at least not maintaining, but joined
Speaker 1: it right. I think if exactly what you said, vulnerability
Speaker 1: precarity like scarcely like that will dry otherwise, you know,
Speaker 1: like reasonable, rational, intelligent people to do things that like
Speaker 1: one by you know, incrementially they're like wait a minute,
Speaker 1: like what am I actually doing here? Like we're like,
Speaker 1: how did I found myself so deep into this um?
Speaker 1: And I think you're exactly right, But it's it's not
Speaker 1: it's luring. It's luring them in. You know, first you
Speaker 1: think it's so lifestyle, fake it till you make it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you look at those posts on social media. You look
Speaker 1: at like actual influencers, right, and they post things and
Speaker 1: I think there's this this need. And another reason why
Speaker 1: social media fueled this so much was you look at
Speaker 1: actual influencers and you go, they're just sharing like pictures
Speaker 1: of like PEPSI like they're making all this money, Like
Speaker 1: I can do that, and it's coming from someone that
Speaker 1: did it. It's way more than that. But um, you know,
Speaker 1: it's tough, and people think they can buy this kit
Speaker 1: in a box and become a social media influencer who
Speaker 1: sells shakes on social media and they're using you know,
Speaker 1: they're they're basically just free advertising for these MLMs, and
Speaker 1: they're they're selling product that nobody really wants. And you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of friends will help you out. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, the statistic for MLM sales is n
Speaker 1: of MLM stuff stays within the MLM. It's just MLM
Speaker 1: hunts shopping from mL M hunts, like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I didn't get that next because it was sold out.
Speaker 1: Well I got signed. Did you want to buy one
Speaker 1: for me. Oh my god, we'll full price with courts.
Speaker 1: So you're buying in between and are it's sitting in
Speaker 1: your garage? Ten percent? Ten percent makes it outside the
Speaker 1: MLM ten wow, temper that is nothing per cent ninety
Speaker 1: stays in. It's in people's garages. It's in people's like
Speaker 1: closets or their jewelry boxes, and they doesn't have to
Speaker 1: have it because the true customers are the consultants. True
Speaker 1: customers are consoled in every single MLM. I'll get hate
Speaker 1: for that too, but that's true. People go, um, you
Speaker 1: were just bitter, like you just were in the wrong MLM.
Speaker 1: I said, no, I wasn't. I've tried multiple and they're
Speaker 1: all the same. I talked to victims and they're all
Speaker 1: the same. They're all the same. I challenge anybody that's
Speaker 1: listening to this that things they have an m l
Speaker 1: M that is not the same to email me and
Speaker 1: let me know and I will prove me wrong. It'll
Speaker 1: probably take me about five minutes, so make sure it's
Speaker 1: a good one. So I had to ask. One of
Speaker 1: my last questions for you, is I know in the
Speaker 1: film that you said that your goal ultimately when you left.
Speaker 1: Lular row was to get seventy five people out, because
Speaker 1: that's how many people you had in your your down line.
Speaker 1: And you know, through your podcast, through your your work
Speaker 1: building communities with people who are involved with m l
Speaker 1: m S and reducing stigma and getting folks to talk
Speaker 1: honestly about it, you've probably helped like that number of
Speaker 1: times a hundred. How does that feel for you that
Speaker 1: you once were someone who were recruiting people to be
Speaker 1: involved in this and now you have kind of gotten
Speaker 1: so many people out of it and reduced that stigma
Speaker 1: for so many people, Like what is that like for
Speaker 1: you a resonal level? Oh? Man, that's a good question. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's true. I wanted to get out because
Speaker 1: I had at my height, I had seventy five women
Speaker 1: in only a few of them I knew, you know,
Speaker 1: I talked about that too, being stacked. So there was
Speaker 1: a lot of people. So I really, I mean, I
Speaker 1: feel responsible for all seventy five, but I feel deeply
Speaker 1: responsible for maybe about twenty of them even more so. Um,
Speaker 1: and I just knew and a lot of them left
Speaker 1: before me, and they were like ROBERTA, And I was like,
Speaker 1: it's weird, right, And they're like, it's super weird. And
Speaker 1: you know, they also helped me get out, and I
Speaker 1: appreciate them and I loved them for that as well,
Speaker 1: because they helped me sort of see it when I
Speaker 1: couldn't see it. And I needed that outside perspective because
Speaker 1: if you're in an MLM and you're only asking inside perspective,
Speaker 1: you will never get out of your MLM. You have
Speaker 1: to reach out of the organization. You will never find
Speaker 1: truth where it is being suppressed UM. And so I
Speaker 1: knew that getting out was like something I had to do,
Speaker 1: and I grappled with it. I grappled the struggle. I cried.
Speaker 1: I I felt like the biggest piece of ship in
Speaker 1: the whole entire world. But I had trusted the wrong
Speaker 1: people and had gotten people that I loved and trusted
Speaker 1: in it to it. And I I first turned my
Speaker 1: shopping group into a goob mall. So goog stands for
Speaker 1: going out of business, and we called we called us,
Speaker 1: we called ourselves goobers, which is that in the group
Speaker 1: it says like Roberta's Google goog goobing with roberta and friends,
Speaker 1: or that I forget UM and I turned it into
Speaker 1: a goog mall and I said, you guys can use
Speaker 1: my group and you can sell your stuff, and we
Speaker 1: we helped a lot of people liquidate their inventory. In
Speaker 1: the beginning, because I didn't really know how to help people.
Speaker 1: I I wasn't so first on MLM, and I hadn't
Speaker 1: found my voice, and I didn't really have a platform yet.
Speaker 1: I just knew that I was helping people out, and
Speaker 1: I helped a couple of people out that way. And
Speaker 1: then you know when when the media came and they
Speaker 1: asked me to speak, and and my team and Defective
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, Roberta, you you do it because you
Speaker 1: talked to people better. I was like, okay, I'll be
Speaker 1: the face. All right, let's do this. And it was
Speaker 1: kind of reluctant, but also at the same time, I
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, let's do this. You know someone has
Speaker 1: to be the one to talk to media, It'll be me.
Speaker 1: And ever since, from like that first the first thing
Speaker 1: I ever did, I started getting messages from people saying
Speaker 1: I read this, and you confirmed some things, and I
Speaker 1: joined effective and I'm leaving or you know something you
Speaker 1: said about this remind me about my time in Mala Lucca,
Speaker 1: And so I looked into it and it's an m
Speaker 1: l M, right, And I said yeah, and they're like,
Speaker 1: I gotta leave. And so all of a sudden, these
Speaker 1: people started coming to me. And it wasn't just seventy
Speaker 1: five women in Rowe anymore. It was like thousands and
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of people across MLM. Like
Speaker 1: I get emails messages with my My inboxes are so full,
Speaker 1: I can't even get through them. Yeah, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. People want to tell their story. People
Speaker 1: want to come on my podcast and tell their story.
Speaker 1: And you know, I was given that platform to tell
Speaker 1: my story when I did the Vice documentary, and to me,
Speaker 1: it was the best therapy I could have ever gotten
Speaker 1: because I was given a platform to tell my story
Speaker 1: and have somebody saying you're not crazy. It happened to
Speaker 1: me too. Um And so in February I started my
Speaker 1: own podcast because I thought, hey, that's a great way
Speaker 1: to help even more people and just sorry, I told
Speaker 1: my story. That was the first episode I Told My Story.
Speaker 1: I think it has twenty thousand downloads that that first
Speaker 1: pilotus And you know, I just sort of sat there
Speaker 1: on Valentine'sday was my first Valentine's Day single in a
Speaker 1: long time. And I just sat there and told my
Speaker 1: story and uploaded it that same day, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I just started a podcast. And so many
Speaker 1: people were like, oh my god, thank god you finally
Speaker 1: started this podcast. When can I be on it? And
Speaker 1: the response has been overwhelming. I can't even keep up
Speaker 1: with it. I probably meet like a producer or a
Speaker 1: helper of some sort, but you know, baby steps, day
Speaker 1: by day, We'll see where it goes from here. Um.
Speaker 1: But to me, like everything I've done has helped more
Speaker 1: people each time I do it, and so I love
Speaker 1: that I've helped so many people. It makes me feel
Speaker 1: like all of this was worth it, you know, like
Speaker 1: the butterfly effect of me saying maybe I should join
Speaker 1: this buttery crotch pant company. Um. And like ruining, I
Speaker 1: didn't ruin my life. I don't want to use the
Speaker 1: term ruined my life. UM. I don't think I'm ruined.
Speaker 1: I do know that there were people that were ruined. UM.
Speaker 1: I could have been ruined, but I wasn't. And I
Speaker 1: think I've used my strength my dad, who passed away
Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, is. It is a huge influence
Speaker 1: and in like just a strong force. He's with me
Speaker 1: all the time. He's probably disappointed that even joining the
Speaker 1: Lure in the first place, but he's really really proud
Speaker 1: of me that I'm fighting against them now. Um. And
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it's just he taught me to
Speaker 1: do what's right and when I see something, to say something.
Speaker 1: And that's something that we're doing now. You know, there
Speaker 1: there are so many different social justice issues that there are.
Speaker 1: There's so many different social justice issues and so many
Speaker 1: different movements, and it is so incredible that the Internet
Speaker 1: has given us a giant platform to be able to
Speaker 1: talk to people, to be able to share our stories
Speaker 1: and be able to corroborate experiences in any of these movements.
Speaker 1: And I'm just so happy that I get to be
Speaker 1: a part of this movement and I get to be
Speaker 1: a part of helping people learn that, like Emma, limbs
Speaker 1: are nasty and not worth it. And you know, I
Speaker 1: love to educate that on TikTok. We educate all day
Speaker 1: when I'm not banned on TikTok about why em limbs
Speaker 1: are bad. If you have questions, I will answer them, um,
Speaker 1: and we we break it down. We break down the stigma,
Speaker 1: and we we take this really giant, complicated, confusing topic
Speaker 1: and we break it down into much easier consumable things.
Speaker 1: And um, I was talking my friend the other night
Speaker 1: because he's like, this this anti am olym thing is
Speaker 1: so confusing. I don't understand it. And I said, it's
Speaker 1: like math, right, you don't start with calculus on day one,
Speaker 1: so you learn the basic principles of why am alyin
Speaker 1: is bad, and then you work your way up to
Speaker 1: the government collusion. We don't start there. Like there are
Speaker 1: so many people are like, why aren't these companies still legal?
Speaker 1: And I said, the government protects them. They're like what
Speaker 1: I said, that's calculus. You're still in basic middle school altble,
Speaker 1: So let's start there. And and you know, I know
Speaker 1: this is like all Chicken walked everywhere and I talk
Speaker 1: a lot, but that's why I have a podcast, um um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know it's it's I just feel like
Speaker 1: it's a big jog or not and it's like just
Speaker 1: getting bigger and it's just rolling. And I've been talking
Speaker 1: with the producers because everybody's like, we need a second
Speaker 1: season and talking with them about you know what the
Speaker 1: future looks like and uh, We've been on the phone
Speaker 1: and in texts for the past couple day, so I
Speaker 1: can't really say anything yet, but there are definitely things
Speaker 1: moving forward um and new projects being talked about because
Speaker 1: people are so enthusiastic. So keep commenting, keep telling us
Speaker 1: that you want more episodes, that you want more m
Speaker 1: lens to be exposed, that you want more dirt uh,
Speaker 1: and more big batties to be taken down. Um and
Speaker 1: I will do my best two you know, get it
Speaker 1: to the right people's hands. Hell yeah, we need going
Speaker 1: Clear style docu series starring Roberta taking down m l ms.
Speaker 1: Like when where is the thing that we need it? Now?
Speaker 1: I know I want that. Let's do that. That's a baz.
Speaker 1: I got all kinds of contacts, like we could, we could,
Speaker 1: we could bake that, we could bake that. It would
Speaker 1: be amazing. I love it, Roberta. Where can folks keep
Speaker 1: up with you your podcast and your work? Okay, so
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram. I have two different instagrams.
Speaker 1: I have the real Robert of Levins where I do
Speaker 1: advocacy stuff and I'll share TikTok videos there when I'm
Speaker 1: when I'm banned. That's what you find me when TikTok's down.
Speaker 1: And then my podcast has an Instagram as well, called
Speaker 1: Life After m l M Podcast. Uh. And then you
Speaker 1: can find me on TikTok at birda Like Woe or
Speaker 1: birda like Whoa two point oh. If I'm blocked currently,
Speaker 1: they're both blocks, and when you go to follow me,
Speaker 1: it will tell you that I do have community violations
Speaker 1: and they're gonna ask if you're sure, and you're just
Speaker 1: gonna want to say yes, I am only the best
Speaker 1: of us. Get those warnings. Uh. And then you can
Speaker 1: find me on Twitter, which I just started doing, and
Speaker 1: that's bird of like Woe too. And then Facebook is
Speaker 1: Roberta Levens. You can find me there and I believe
Speaker 1: the podcast has a Facebook page two, but I'm very
Speaker 1: bad at updating things. I love it well, Roberta. I
Speaker 1: cannot tell you how grateful I am for you sharing
Speaker 1: your story in the film. You're probably my favorite part
Speaker 1: of the film, and honestly, I as soon as I
Speaker 1: saw it, I was like I had to talk to her.
Speaker 1: She is amazing. Thank you so much for all your
Speaker 1: work helping people you know, talk about this and all
Speaker 1: your honesty and sharing your experiences and just who you are.
Speaker 1: You really I can listen to you talk all day.
Speaker 1: You really have a lightness and an energy to you
Speaker 1: that I think really bring. You bring so much of
Speaker 1: yourself to this. So thank you got a story about
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