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Speaker 1: There Are No Girls on the Internet, as a production

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Speaker 1: of I Heart Radio and Unbossed Creative. I'm Bridget Todd

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Speaker 1: and this is There Are No Girls on the Internet.

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Speaker 1: So this month Amazon Prime dropped a highly anticipated documentary

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Speaker 1: series called Luther Rich breaking down lular Row, the multi

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Speaker 1: level marketing company that sold buttery soft leggings and dreams

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Speaker 1: of girl boss entrepreneurship to thousands of women all over

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Speaker 1: the country. Now, I don't think I need to tell

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Speaker 1: you that this turned out to be kind of a

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Speaker 1: huge scam. The Washington State Attorney General filed a class

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Speaker 1: action lawsuit against Lularow, calling them a pyramid scheme, and

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Speaker 1: in February of this year, lu La Row agreed to

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Speaker 1: pay four point seventy four million dollars to settle. And

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Speaker 1: it kind of also seems like a cult. From gas

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Speaker 1: lighting motivational seminars to Lula Row's founder Deane, pressuring women

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Speaker 1: to travel to Mexico for weight loss surgery to maintain

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Speaker 1: a picture perfect presence, all the service of selling the

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Speaker 1: lie that lu La Row was a ticket to working

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Speaker 1: moms being able to live happy, fulfilled and balanced lives. Now,

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Speaker 1: what's so interesting about Lularo is the women that got

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Speaker 1: involved in it, and it's clear the company praised on

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Speaker 1: a type educated, ambitious moms, and it's pretty clear why

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Speaker 1: there just isn't a lot of societal support for moms

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Speaker 1: who want to do wage earning work in America. We

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Speaker 1: don't have paid leave, we don't have access to affordable

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Speaker 1: childcare solutions for parents who work. That creates this real

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Speaker 1: vulnerability for women that can be deeply exploited. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you've seen the documentary, which I definitely recommend you check out,

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Speaker 1: that you probably already know Reberta Blevins, the hilariously straightforward

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Speaker 1: former Lula ro retailer turned anti MLM advocate. Roberta once

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Speaker 1: had seventy five Lularo retailers working under her and when

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Speaker 1: she left the company, her goal was to get at

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Speaker 1: least seventy people to leave. And now, on our podcast

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Speaker 1: Life After MLM, Roberta helped so many more see the

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Speaker 1: ways that multi level marketing companies like Lularo use tools

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Speaker 1: like social media to pray on women and who were

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Speaker 1: already vulnerable. So I binged watched Lula La Lula Row

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Speaker 1: documentary on Amazon Prime. I watched it. It seemed like

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Speaker 1: it went by in like twenty minutes, even though it

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Speaker 1: was four episodes. Um, my first question is the reaction

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Speaker 1: has been so huge. You know, I was reading your

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Speaker 1: piece and your your the piece and variety that quotes you.

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Speaker 1: What is your response to seeing this huge reaction to

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Speaker 1: the film Lula Rich? Well, okay, so I was on

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Speaker 1: the phone of Lache last night and we were talking

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Speaker 1: about this exact thing, and she's like, girl, I knew

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Speaker 1: it would be number one eventually, and I said, right,

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Speaker 1: but I just didn't know what happened so fast. So

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Speaker 1: that's sort of how I feel about it, Like this

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Speaker 1: has been the last four years of my life. They

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Speaker 1: don't really go into it in the documentary, but from

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Speaker 1: the day I left Lula Ro, I started speaking out

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Speaker 1: against them, I started exposing them. I've been probably public

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Speaker 1: enemy number one for the past four years, I said

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Speaker 1: the Vice documentary. I talked to Bloomberg. I've helped with

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Speaker 1: a lot of the you know sources say I'm a

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Speaker 1: lot of those sources. Um, I have a lot of sources.

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Speaker 1: I shared a lot of things, I've done a lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff. So for me, like I sort of kind

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Speaker 1: of like expected it on in my small realm because

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Speaker 1: I have been talking about this and I have been

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Speaker 1: like promoting it in like the anti MLM communities and

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Speaker 1: like that small niche um. But like, like I said,

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Speaker 1: like I didn't expect it to sort of seep out

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Speaker 1: of our community quite so quickly. Um, And I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm really excited because I just think people need to

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Speaker 1: hear the story and it's this is just literally like

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Speaker 1: a scratch, Like there's so much more stuff. There was

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Speaker 1: so much more stuff in this than there was advice,

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Speaker 1: and there's so much more stuff that hasn't been uncovered

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Speaker 1: yet that I'm just really excited to see what other

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Speaker 1: creators and and people discover and create from this moment

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Speaker 1: forward totally, So like what are some of the things

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Speaker 1: a part too, like and they got to mention this,

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Speaker 1: I wish they mentioned that. Like, for instance, I was

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Speaker 1: watching this really dark YouTube video that went in the

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Speaker 1: detail about the weight loss surgeries that that Danne was

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Speaker 1: Danne has taken a lot of people down there. On

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Speaker 1: their website on Facebook, their Facebook page of this place.

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Speaker 1: There are so many before and after photos of women

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Speaker 1: in Lulu Ro, Like it's very obvious where they're coming from.

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Speaker 1: There's sometimes there's Lulu Ro business signs are like in

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Speaker 1: it's very obvious. And Danne has admitted to taking um

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Speaker 1: children as young as thirteen down there to get weight loss. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so that's a lot of stuff that like just was

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Speaker 1: But there was a lot of times, and we see

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Speaker 1: it with influencers to a lot of times, when you

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Speaker 1: away from murder. Not technically like actually murder, um, but

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Speaker 1: Ro and we thought that that wasn't really fair. People

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Speaker 1: the wrong colors. And then somebody could go on Alive

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Speaker 1: and um basically mock someone with special needs and Lulu

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Speaker 1: And they said they were sorry, so we're not going

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Speaker 1: to terminate them. Um. There was somebody who was like

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Speaker 1: and so I knew that Dan was like, oh she

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Speaker 1: with lul Rich because it's just the story of four

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00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 1: consultants who couldn't make im work. Out of hundreds, you know,

428
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 1: out of hundreds and thousands, it's just four of us.

429
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, are you for real now, it's

430
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: just the four of us, just four of us. Okay,

431
00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:12,439
Speaker 1: they made a movie because there's just four of us. Right.

432
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 1: There was a big lawsuit because it was just four people.

433
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: There's a billion dollar laws because there's just four of us.

434
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: Um it's insane. I have four separate interviews on my

435
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 1: podcast with four separate LULARO consultants, so there's at least

436
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 1: eight of us. I mean. That's something that I think

437
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: the documentary really does a nice job of touching on

438
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:37,160
Speaker 1: is that when women started going to the defector Facebook

439
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 1: groups and sharing their stories and getting that validation that

440
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 1: like this the power of of hearing that you're not alone,

441
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: hearing that you're not crazy, like after you've been legit

442
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: no ship gasolate for so long, Like going back and

443
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: watching some of those motivational speaker style conferences, I was like,

444
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 1: this is just gas fighting, Like this is like brainwashing, indoctrination.

445
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: The power are of hearing someone say no, you're right,

446
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: even for little things of like yeah, you're right. My

447
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: leggings did smell like a dead part. You're right, they

448
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: did arrive wet, like things like things that they have

449
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,920
Speaker 1: been told from you know, the lu La Row higher

450
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 1: ups that are not happening right, Like the power of

451
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,239
Speaker 1: that validation someone saying no, trust what you see with

452
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,240
Speaker 1: your own eyes, what you feel in your gut, like

453
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: you're you're you know you're right. You know your experience, like,

454
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: that's so powerful, you know. I even got some validation today.

455
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was I think it was

456
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 1: on Instagram. Somebody commented on one of my posts on

457
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 1: Instagram and said, I used to work at lular Row.

458
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: The reason that you're legging smelled so bad is because

459
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,879
Speaker 1: when they were outside and those big metal crates are

460
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 1: called gay lords. Without these big metal gaylords out in

461
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 1: the middle of this parking lot for months on end

462
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: under blue tarts. They said, well, they had like a

463
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: team because what would happen is rats and possums would

464
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: sleep in them, and sometimes they get stuck and die,

465
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: and so they'd have to go and fish out the

466
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,359
Speaker 1: dead rats and possums, and then they would throw away

467
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 1: the garment that was touching it, but none of the

468
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,199
Speaker 1: existing garments around it. He's like, so that might have

469
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: been or she I don't remember it was a user

470
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: name I didn't check up, but that they were like,

471
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: that might be why that your leggings smelled like dead rats.

472
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh my god, I've literally called

473
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: them dead rat leggings before. And I was like, are

474
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 1: you fucking kidding me? And I was literally dead rats

475
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 1: in then I called that ship like three years ago. Well,

476
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,280
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you know a dead rat when you

477
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: smell one. I live in the country, y'all, I know

478
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 1: a dead rat. Smell one. More. After a quick break,

479
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 1: let's get right back into it. There just is not

480
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: a ton of societal support for moms in America. And

481
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: it someone comes along and tells a mom that she

482
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 1: can make good money, making her own schedule, and still

483
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: be able to be a present figure in the lives

484
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 1: of her family and kids, it's really not surprising that

485
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,359
Speaker 1: so many of them would jump on that opportunity, even

486
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: if it seems too good to be true. The vulnerability

487
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 1: baked into the experience of being a mom leaves women

488
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: open to being preyed on by MLMs. I have my

489
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: own thoughts about why smart, ambitious, educated women got involved

490
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: with and not just LULARO, but like m l m

491
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: S and l m l ms in general. I think that,

492
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: you know, it's very enticing to be told that you

493
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: can be there for your kids if you're a mom,

494
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 1: make good money, you know, really be a present figure

495
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,360
Speaker 1: in your parents and your kid's life. We just don't

496
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 1: live in a place that really has a lot of

497
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 1: options for a lot for like moms if you're trying

498
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 1: to work and raise your kids. And so I think

499
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: that my senses is that these companies prey on women

500
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: and a lot of times the moms who don't really

501
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: have a lot of options. And I just wonder, like,

502
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on why so many women get

503
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: mixed up in m l M s um So, I

504
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,399
Speaker 1: think the main component to getting lured in, like Robert says,

505
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 1: I love that quote in the movie Robertson Robert is fantastic.

506
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 1: If you guys don't know who Robert Fitzpatrick is, by

507
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: his book Ponsionomics, it is amazing if you are anti

508
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 1: MLM or want to be. It is the complete like

509
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: history of m limit is one of the best books

510
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: I've ever read, which is just fascinating. Um. But the

511
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: way that people get blured in, because that's what it is, right,

512
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: Nobody really thinks like this is amazing, like I need

513
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: to do this. It's always like, girl, it would be

514
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: so good at that, and you're just like, and it

515
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: really is a loover. It really is a lure. Um.

516
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: The number one thing is vulnerability. The number one thing. Uh,

517
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: and the more vulnerabilities you have, the more likely you

518
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: will get sucked in. Um. You know, people have hardships,

519
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: and they think, if I could just win the lotto,

520
00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: if I could just make an extra hundred dollars a week,

521
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,959
Speaker 1: if I could just like get some money, or like

522
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: get like a really good deal or like something like,

523
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: it could change everything. If I could just go on

524
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: a game show and win ten thousand dollars, can pay

525
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 1: all my bills, I'd be back in the green and

526
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: it wouldn't be a problem. Because so there's this whole like,

527
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,239
Speaker 1: if I could just do this, if I could just

528
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: be that person to just beat all the odds, Right,

529
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna beat all the odds. It's gonna be me.

530
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: I believe in myself. These boss bibs believe in me too.

531
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: They're telling me how great I am. I know I'm great.

532
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't feeling how great I'm but now I'm really

533
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: feeling how great because these women are reinforcing what a

534
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,919
Speaker 1: rock star I'm gonna be. And I already believe I'm

535
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,439
Speaker 1: a rock star. And now someone I don't even know

536
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 1: susan in me, Oh my god, it must be true.

537
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: M So you're already vulnerable and what they're promising you ultimately,

538
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: because you hear it all the time. It's not about

539
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 1: the product. It's about the opportunity. It's not about the shampoo.

540
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: It's about the sisterhood. It's not about the weight loss,

541
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: it's about the accountability. It's not about the product. It's

542
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 1: about the opportunity. Right, It's just it. It doesn't matter

543
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: because what they're truly selling you is a dream. They're

544
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: selling you on the opportunity to possibly, maybe, if you're

545
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: lucky enough, have the ability to possibly get to the

546
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: top of the pyramid and all of your your dreams

547
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 1: will come true. So dream big. Keep that dopamine rushing

548
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: through your veins, because as long as you're continually like

549
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: basically lying to yourself and living this fakett, you make

550
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 1: it lifestyle where the dopamines just coming in. You're like,

551
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: it feels so good. I'm just gonna keep doing this

552
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 1: because it seems to be working. It's a dream. It

553
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: doesn't exist, Robert says it. If you were to invite

554
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: five friends and tell them to invite five friends after

555
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: thirteen levels, you exceed the population of Earth. It's not possible.

556
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: Seven percent of people across the board losing MLM. So

557
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: what are we actually selling here? It's a farce, It's

558
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: a dream. It's the possibility that you might maybe one

559
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: day get the ability to kind of off like maybe

560
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: maybe make it if you work really hard. But if

561
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: you don't work really hard, that's on you. If you

562
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 1: don't make it, it's because you just work cut out

563
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: for this mm hmm. And I can't help but I

564
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: know they touch on this in the film, but I

565
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 1: can't help but see the ways that like our sort

566
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 1: of social media landscape really feeds that. Like I you've

567
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: mentioned in the film that they wanted you to take

568
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: pictures of yourself making a big, messy breakfast with your kids,

569
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: or like, you know, they wanted people to have these

570
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: very curated, picture perfect Instagram feeds and hashtag everything because

571
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 1: lu La Row. You know, I wonder what role do

572
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: you think that things like Instagram and Facebook and Facebook Live, Like,

573
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: what role do even that played and in making lu

574
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: La Row sort of like what it was, It was instrumental,

575
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely instrumental. Before Luluro i was, I had been

576
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: a professional blogger um and I had a decent little following.

577
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: It's all defunct now, but I had a decent little following,

578
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: and so I understood algorithms. I understood how to grow

579
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: on social media authentically. I knew how to brand myself. Um.

580
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: And when they heard that I knew how to do

581
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: that stuff, They're like, oh my god, you have to

582
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,959
Speaker 1: teach the class, like you're a social media a queen,

583
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: Like you're so amazing, Like you have to teach all

584
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: of us how to do that. And so it was

585
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: a lot of like me trying to you it's it's

586
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: I don't even know if you could teach it. To

587
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: be perfectly honest, some of it is just like just inherent.

588
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: I would say you have to have pretty pictures, and

589
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 1: then someone's like, could you look at my feet and

590
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: tell me what you think? And I'm just like what

591
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: did you not even listen to what I said? Um?

592
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: So you know, I really didn't like as I was

593
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,040
Speaker 1: teaching people how to grow authentically, uh, and to create

594
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: you know, authentic curated posts about your life, nothing over

595
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: the top and ridiculous, but real, um, like a normal

596
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: social media influence overdo um. It was like you should

597
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: be talking more about little Row and like, oh, you

598
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: went to Disneyland. Did you put because of Little Row?

599
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I mean, isn't because well, you got

600
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: to go because you're not working because of Little Row

601
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: and you had money to buy churros because of And

602
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: I was like, what isn't I mean we here in

603
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 1: the documentary that because of Little Row isn't actually even

604
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 1: a hashtag at all. Indiana doesn't even know it, doesn't

605
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: even know what it means. She's never seen it before, right,

606
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 1: she's never seen it before. I will tell you, though,

607
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: there's another hashtag they didn't mention that Dane will probably

608
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: also deny knowing about. And that's the hashtag because of Dan.

609
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure she loved that one, yeah, but has never

610
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: seen it. Right. Anytime Deanne had a bad day and

611
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 1: like social media people were being mean to her, we

612
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: had to make posts of appreciation for Dan and tag

613
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: it because of Dane. Wow, I mean that's a cult.

614
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: That's like, that's could like absolutely it's a cult. Yeah.

615
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: I mean I figured out I was on a cold

616
00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: because I was watching Leo Romani's Scientology after Math and

617
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: I was sitting there and I burst into tears. And

618
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 1: my husband at the time, we are we are divorced,

619
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: but it's not because of little row Um. He was like,

620
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: are you okay? And I was like, oh my god,

621
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: there I goll like I just knew. I just knew.

622
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: I just knew. God, I'm some most weird, but I

623
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: just I just knew. I saw like the Scientology survivors,

624
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: and they were saying things, and I had an example

625
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: for everything, like a Lulu row example for everything they

626
00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: were saying. I was like, that happened to me in

627
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: this way, and it was just I was like, oh

628
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: my god, I'm in a colt. I mean, so smart

629
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: and educated, vulnerable. I joined a cult. It was so easy.

630
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: It was the easiest thing I've ever done. Joining that

631
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: could really exactly joining at least not maintaining, but joined

632
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: it right. I think if exactly what you said, vulnerability

633
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 1: precarity like scarcely like that will dry otherwise, you know,

634
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: like reasonable, rational, intelligent people to do things that like

635
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: one by you know, incrementially they're like wait a minute,

636
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: like what am I actually doing here? Like we're like,

637
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: how did I found myself so deep into this um?

638
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: And I think you're exactly right, But it's it's not

639
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: it's luring. It's luring them in. You know, first you

640
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: think it's so lifestyle, fake it till you make it. Yeah,

641
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: you look at those posts on social media. You look

642
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: at like actual influencers, right, and they post things and

643
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: I think there's this this need. And another reason why

644
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: social media fueled this so much was you look at

645
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: actual influencers and you go, they're just sharing like pictures

646
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: of like PEPSI like they're making all this money, Like

647
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: I can do that, and it's coming from someone that

648
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:47,160
Speaker 1: did it. It's way more than that. But um, you know,

649
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: it's tough, and people think they can buy this kit

650
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 1: in a box and become a social media influencer who

651
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: sells shakes on social media and they're using you know,

652
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,040
Speaker 1: they're they're basically just free advertising for these MLMs, and

653
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 1: they're they're selling product that nobody really wants. And you know,

654
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: a couple of friends will help you out. But for

655
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: the most part, the statistic for MLM sales is n

656
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: of MLM stuff stays within the MLM. It's just MLM

657
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: hunts shopping from mL M hunts, like, oh my god,

658
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: I didn't get that next because it was sold out.

659
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Well I got signed. Did you want to buy one

660
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: for me. Oh my god, we'll full price with courts.

661
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: So you're buying in between and are it's sitting in

662
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: your garage? Ten percent? Ten percent makes it outside the

663
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: MLM ten wow, temper that is nothing per cent ninety

664
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: stays in. It's in people's garages. It's in people's like

665
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: closets or their jewelry boxes, and they doesn't have to

666
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: have it because the true customers are the consultants. True

667
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: customers are consoled in every single MLM. I'll get hate

668
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: for that too, but that's true. People go, um, you

669
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: were just bitter, like you just were in the wrong MLM.

670
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: I said, no, I wasn't. I've tried multiple and they're

671
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: all the same. I talked to victims and they're all

672
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: the same. They're all the same. I challenge anybody that's

673
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: listening to this that things they have an m l

674
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: M that is not the same to email me and

675
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: let me know and I will prove me wrong. It'll

676
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: probably take me about five minutes, so make sure it's

677
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: a good one. So I had to ask. One of

678
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: my last questions for you, is I know in the

679
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 1: film that you said that your goal ultimately when you left.

680
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 1: Lular row was to get seventy five people out, because

681
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: that's how many people you had in your your down line.

682
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: And you know, through your podcast, through your your work

683
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: building communities with people who are involved with m l

684
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,439
Speaker 1: m S and reducing stigma and getting folks to talk

685
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: honestly about it, you've probably helped like that number of

686
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: times a hundred. How does that feel for you that

687
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: you once were someone who were recruiting people to be

688
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 1: involved in this and now you have kind of gotten

689
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: so many people out of it and reduced that stigma

690
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: for so many people, Like what is that like for

691
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: you a resonal level? Oh? Man, that's a good question. Um,

692
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's true. I wanted to get out because

693
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 1: I had at my height, I had seventy five women

694
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: in only a few of them I knew, you know,

695
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: I talked about that too, being stacked. So there was

696
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: a lot of people. So I really, I mean, I

697
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,880
Speaker 1: feel responsible for all seventy five, but I feel deeply

698
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: responsible for maybe about twenty of them even more so. Um,

699
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 1: and I just knew and a lot of them left

700
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 1: before me, and they were like ROBERTA, And I was like,

701
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: it's weird, right, And they're like, it's super weird. And

702
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 1: you know, they also helped me get out, and I

703
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: appreciate them and I loved them for that as well,

704
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:39,440
Speaker 1: because they helped me sort of see it when I

705
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 1: couldn't see it. And I needed that outside perspective because

706
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: if you're in an MLM and you're only asking inside perspective,

707
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: you will never get out of your MLM. You have

708
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: to reach out of the organization. You will never find

709
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: truth where it is being suppressed UM. And so I

710
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: knew that getting out was like something I had to do,

711
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: and I grappled with it. I grappled the struggle. I cried.

712
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: I I felt like the biggest piece of ship in

713
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 1: the whole entire world. But I had trusted the wrong

714
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 1: people and had gotten people that I loved and trusted

715
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: in it to it. And I I first turned my

716
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: shopping group into a goob mall. So goog stands for

717
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: going out of business, and we called we called us,

718
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,439
Speaker 1: we called ourselves goobers, which is that in the group

719
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: it says like Roberta's Google goog goobing with roberta and friends,

720
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: or that I forget UM and I turned it into

721
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: a goog mall and I said, you guys can use

722
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,879
Speaker 1: my group and you can sell your stuff, and we

723
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: we helped a lot of people liquidate their inventory. In

724
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: the beginning, because I didn't really know how to help people.

725
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,879
Speaker 1: I I wasn't so first on MLM, and I hadn't

726
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: found my voice, and I didn't really have a platform yet.

727
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: I just knew that I was helping people out, and

728
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: I helped a couple of people out that way. And

729
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: then you know when when the media came and they

730
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: asked me to speak, and and my team and Defective

731
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, Roberta, you you do it because you

732
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 1: talked to people better. I was like, okay, I'll be

733
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 1: the face. All right, let's do this. And it was

734
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: kind of reluctant, but also at the same time, I

735
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, let's do this. You know someone has

736
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: to be the one to talk to media, It'll be me.

737
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: And ever since, from like that first the first thing

738
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: I ever did, I started getting messages from people saying

739
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: I read this, and you confirmed some things, and I

740
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: joined effective and I'm leaving or you know something you

741
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: said about this remind me about my time in Mala Lucca,

742
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: And so I looked into it and it's an m

743
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: l M, right, And I said yeah, and they're like,

744
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: I gotta leave. And so all of a sudden, these

745
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 1: people started coming to me. And it wasn't just seventy

746
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: five women in Rowe anymore. It was like thousands and

747
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of people across MLM. Like

748
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: I get emails messages with my My inboxes are so full,

749
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 1: I can't even get through them. Yeah, I mean, it's

750
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. People want to tell their story. People

751
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: want to come on my podcast and tell their story.

752
00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: And you know, I was given that platform to tell

753
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: my story when I did the Vice documentary, and to me,

754
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: it was the best therapy I could have ever gotten

755
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 1: because I was given a platform to tell my story

756
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: and have somebody saying you're not crazy. It happened to

757
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: me too. Um And so in February I started my

758
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: own podcast because I thought, hey, that's a great way

759
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 1: to help even more people and just sorry, I told

760
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:24,359
Speaker 1: my story. That was the first episode I Told My Story.

761
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: I think it has twenty thousand downloads that that first

762
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: pilotus And you know, I just sort of sat there

763
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: on Valentine'sday was my first Valentine's Day single in a

764
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: long time. And I just sat there and told my

765
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: story and uploaded it that same day, and I was like, well,

766
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: I guess I just started a podcast. And so many

767
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: people were like, oh my god, thank god you finally

768
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: started this podcast. When can I be on it? And

769
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: the response has been overwhelming. I can't even keep up

770
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 1: with it. I probably meet like a producer or a

771
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: helper of some sort, but you know, baby steps, day

772
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 1: by day, We'll see where it goes from here. Um.

773
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: But to me, like everything I've done has helped more

774
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: people each time I do it, and so I love

775
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 1: that I've helped so many people. It makes me feel

776
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: like all of this was worth it, you know, like

777
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: the butterfly effect of me saying maybe I should join

778
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 1: this buttery crotch pant company. Um. And like ruining, I

779
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: didn't ruin my life. I don't want to use the

780
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: term ruined my life. UM. I don't think I'm ruined.

781
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 1: I do know that there were people that were ruined. UM.

782
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: I could have been ruined, but I wasn't. And I

783
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,839
Speaker 1: think I've used my strength my dad, who passed away

784
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: in two thousand thirteen, is. It is a huge influence

785
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:41,880
Speaker 1: and in like just a strong force. He's with me

786
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: all the time. He's probably disappointed that even joining the

787
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: Lure in the first place, but he's really really proud

788
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: of me that I'm fighting against them now. Um. And

789
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, for me, it's just he taught me to

790
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,080
Speaker 1: do what's right and when I see something, to say something.

791
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: And that's something that we're doing now. You know, there

792
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: there are so many different social justice issues that there are.

793
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: There's so many different social justice issues and so many

794
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:12,240
Speaker 1: different movements, and it is so incredible that the Internet

795
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: has given us a giant platform to be able to

796
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: talk to people, to be able to share our stories

797
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: and be able to corroborate experiences in any of these movements.

798
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 1: And I'm just so happy that I get to be

799
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: a part of this movement and I get to be

800
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: a part of helping people learn that, like Emma, limbs

801
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: are nasty and not worth it. And you know, I

802
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: love to educate that on TikTok. We educate all day

803
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,280
Speaker 1: when I'm not banned on TikTok about why em limbs

804
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: are bad. If you have questions, I will answer them, um,

805
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 1: and we we break it down. We break down the stigma,

806
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: and we we take this really giant, complicated, confusing topic

807
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: and we break it down into much easier consumable things.

808
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 1: And um, I was talking my friend the other night

809
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: because he's like, this this anti am olym thing is

810
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 1: so confusing. I don't understand it. And I said, it's

811
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,839
Speaker 1: like math, right, you don't start with calculus on day one,

812
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 1: so you learn the basic principles of why am alyin

813
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: is bad, and then you work your way up to

814
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: the government collusion. We don't start there. Like there are

815
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: so many people are like, why aren't these companies still legal?

816
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: And I said, the government protects them. They're like what

817
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: I said, that's calculus. You're still in basic middle school altble,

818
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: So let's start there. And and you know, I know

819
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: this is like all Chicken walked everywhere and I talk

820
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: a lot, but that's why I have a podcast, um um.

821
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know it's it's I just feel like

822
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: it's a big jog or not and it's like just

823
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: getting bigger and it's just rolling. And I've been talking

824
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: with the producers because everybody's like, we need a second

825
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 1: season and talking with them about you know what the

826
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: future looks like and uh, We've been on the phone

827
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: and in texts for the past couple day, so I

828
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,919
Speaker 1: can't really say anything yet, but there are definitely things

829
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,120
Speaker 1: moving forward um and new projects being talked about because

830
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: people are so enthusiastic. So keep commenting, keep telling us

831
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: that you want more episodes, that you want more m

832
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,839
Speaker 1: lens to be exposed, that you want more dirt uh,

833
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: and more big batties to be taken down. Um and

834
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: I will do my best two you know, get it

835
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: to the right people's hands. Hell yeah, we need going

836
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 1: Clear style docu series starring Roberta taking down m l ms.

837
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: Like when where is the thing that we need it? Now?

838
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: I know I want that. Let's do that. That's a baz.

839
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 1: I got all kinds of contacts, like we could, we could,

840
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: we could bake that, we could bake that. It would

841
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,600
Speaker 1: be amazing. I love it, Roberta. Where can folks keep

842
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 1: up with you your podcast and your work? Okay, so

843
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram. I have two different instagrams.

844
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: I have the real Robert of Levins where I do

845
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 1: advocacy stuff and I'll share TikTok videos there when I'm

846
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: when I'm banned. That's what you find me when TikTok's down.

847
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: And then my podcast has an Instagram as well, called

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Speaker 1: She is amazing. Thank you so much for all your

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Speaker 1: work helping people you know, talk about this and all

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Speaker 1: You really have a lightness and an energy to you

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Speaker 1: You can also find transcripts for today's episode at tangodi

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Speaker 1: dot com. There Are No Girls on the Internet was

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Speaker 1: created by me Bridget Tod. It's a production of I

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