1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,680 Speaker 1: What is one way that I can care for myself 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: this week? What is one thing that I can commit 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: to make a promise to myself to treat myself with 4 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,200 Speaker 1: kindness and compassion. 5 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Emily and Badi here, you are listening to 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: another installment of Hurdle Moment from Hurdle, a while NICs 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: focused podcast where I connect with everyone from your favorite 8 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: athletes to top experts and industry CEOs about their highest ties, 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: toughest moments, and everything in between. We all go through 10 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 2: hurdles in life, and my goal through these discussions is 11 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 2: to empower you to better navigate yours and move with 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,319 Speaker 2: intention so that you can stride towards your own big 13 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: potential and of course have some fun along the way. 14 00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 2: Today for the pod, I am chatting, I'm bringing her 15 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: back with King. She is the author of the new 16 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 2: book The Body Liberation Project, and that is entirely what 17 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 2: we are here to talk about. 18 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: For this week's episode. 19 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: Chrissy defines for us what body liberation is and how 20 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 2: she accomplished it herself after joining a gym at one 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 2: point with the sole goal in. 22 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: Mind to quote unquote get skinny. 23 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: It was in pursuit of that goal that she fell 24 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 2: into the all too common cycle of not enoughness, as 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 2: she likes to call it, and no matter what she achieved, 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: there was always something else that she felt like she 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 2: needed to change about her body, her appearance, and herself. 28 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 3: Now not the. 29 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 2: Case, and Chrissy shares her wisdom, her takeaways from this 30 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: beautiful journey to self acceptance and ultimately body liberation. In 31 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: our conversation today, Chrissy acknowledges that the journey toward body 32 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 2: liberation is examining your own privilege, acknowledge the harm you 33 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 2: may be causing others, and mourning your old ideas about 34 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: what a body quote unquote should look like. I'm so 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 2: happy that Christy and I were able to sit back 36 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: down in person this time after first connecting during the pandemic, 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: and I'm super amped for her in this new chapter. 38 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 2: I know that this is a conversation that will. 39 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 3: Resonate with many of you. 40 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: I'll make sure to link to the Body Liberation Project 41 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 2: in the show notes so that you can grab your 42 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: copy today. Also, if you're not yet doing so, make 43 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 2: sure you follow along with Hurdle over on social media. 44 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: It's at hurdle Podcast. I Am Over at Emily a 45 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 2: Body and the Weekly Hurdle newsletter is back this Friday. 46 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 2: Make sure you are signed up. It is absolutely free 47 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 2: for your subscription. So much of the same stuff you 48 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: love from the show, inspiration, motivation and more directly in 49 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: your inbox. 50 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: With that, let's get to hurdling today. I am sitting 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: down with King, She's a new author. How are we feeling. 52 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: I am feeling so so good, like amazing, amazing. 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 2: Your new book, The Body Liberation Project is out in 54 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: bookstores now. Is it totally surreal? 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: It is so surreal, Like every time I walk into 56 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: a bookstore and see it or people send me pictures 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: of it in the bookstore, I still can't believe it. 58 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: It's like my book that I wrote on a bookstore, 59 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: a bookshelf in a store. 60 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 3: It's wild wild. 61 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I had you on the show. I believe 62 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: it was about maybe a year and a half ago. 63 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: Which seems like it wasn't that long. Time really flies. 64 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 2: This time is flying, and this time even better because 65 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: we're doing it irl. So I'm so excited to have 66 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: you in the studio. And naturally I knew with a 67 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 2: big book launch, you had to come in and we 68 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: had to talk about body liberation because the time is now. 69 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: Yes, I'm so excited to be here too, and I 70 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: love that we're doing it in real life. This time 71 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: is amazing. 72 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 3: That's so much better. 73 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: So first and foremost, let's talk about what body liberation is. 74 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, so. I think a lot of us are 75 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: familiar with the term body positivity, which is really just 76 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: about loving and respecting your body and all of its 77 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: different sizes. And I think that body positivity is a 78 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: really good starting point for us to start to think 79 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: about our bodies differently. But how that differs, and like 80 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: what I talk about when I talk about body liberation 81 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: is really going beyond just like I love and accept 82 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: my body, but really this true understanding that at our 83 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: essence and our core, our body is just the thing 84 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,279 Speaker 1: that's letting us have this human experience. It's just like 85 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: the vessel that is allowing us to do all the 86 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: incredible things that we're doing, and it doesn't make us 87 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: who we are. And so it's really about understanding that. 88 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: I think sometimes with body positivity we get this like 89 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 1: false sense that we're supposed to look in the mirror 90 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 1: every day and love everything we see, and if we 91 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: can't do that, we feel like a failure, and so 92 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,479 Speaker 1: body liberation is like, no, no, no. The idea is 93 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 1: not that one day we're going to look in the 94 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: mirror and love everything we see. But the thing is 95 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: that we understand that our body is just the vessel, right, 96 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: and that we are inherently worthy because we exist, not 97 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: because of what we look like. And it's also about 98 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: understanding that we live in a system that is really 99 00:04:57,839 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: harmful for a lot of us in a lot of ways. 100 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,920 Speaker 1: And so it's about how are we divesting from die 101 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: culture while also learning to lean into joy and appreciation 102 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: and respect with our. 103 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: Bodies harmful for us in a lot of ways. Let's 104 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about that. 105 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, So, I mean, we live in a society that 106 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: number one is hyper focused on bodies, but particularly women's bodies. 107 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: We live in a society that's hyper focused on eurostandard 108 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: extandards of beauty, right, and so for any of us 109 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: that kind of fall outside of that norm, it's really 110 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: hard for us to exist in the world and feel 111 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: like we are even capable of loving ourselves or that 112 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: we're worthy if we don't feel like we meet those standards. 113 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: And I think also when we're thinking about harmful narratives. 114 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: It's just that, like the real reality is that there 115 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 1: are actual privileges to living in a thinner body, Like 116 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: we have to just name that for what it is. 117 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: And so when you don't live in a body that 118 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: you feel like is what is seen as beautiful, it's 119 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: really hard to exist in the society. And I think 120 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: even when you're like, oh, die, culture is really harmful, 121 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to participate at the same time, you're like, 122 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: but like life would feel easier maybe if I was 123 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: living in a body that looked different. 124 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I definitely resonate with that. I mean, I 125 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: remember after losing weight back when I was in college, 126 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: I would go back to my hometown and I would 127 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 2: run into people and I was treated completely differently, you know, 128 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: the same individuals that made me feel lesser than when 129 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: I was younger, all of a sudden wanted to get 130 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: to know me, wanted to know what was going on, 131 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 2: and it just made me feel really uncomfortable. 132 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely, And I like the first major weight loss like 133 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: attempt that I did was when I was like sixteen 134 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 1: or seventeen and someone at school had made fun of 135 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 1: or made a joke about my body in front of 136 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: like my peers and made me really uncomfortable. And so 137 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,040 Speaker 1: because of that, I decided to go on like a 138 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: huge diet like Adkins diet for you all who remember 139 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: that the original Kido the og and so I did 140 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 1: that diet. I lost a lot of weight, and then 141 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 1: what happened is the same thing, Like my peers were like, 142 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, she looks so great, tell me how 143 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: you did it. And I was like, oh, people are 144 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 1: going to like me better when I have a certain 145 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: type of body. And like for me, that was like 146 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: the starting point of like yo yo dieting for like 147 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 1: a lot of years. 148 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 3: Totally, yeah, totally. 149 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 2: It's just like absolutely heartbreaking. Also because there are other 150 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 2: sides to the coin as well that we don't often 151 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 2: talk about. People that may be naturally thin are also 152 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: shamed for being naturally thin at times in ways that 153 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 2: we don't always think about. You assume that they're happy 154 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: to be that way, but maybe they do want to 155 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 2: put on weight, and that isn't a conversation that we're 156 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: having at all. 157 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean absolutely, And one of the things I talk 158 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: about in the book is just like even the like 159 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: BBL era, right where people like this body type has 160 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: been idealized as the way to be, and then people 161 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: are like having surgery right to add more curves to 162 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: their body. And so one of the things I think 163 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: is really important about body liberation is like also this 164 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: understanding that all bodies are created differently. We look different, 165 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 1: we have different skin color, different hair color, different eye color, 166 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: and also our bodies are shaped and created differently intentionally. 167 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: And so it's when we have this, like I con 168 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: continually moving target of what's the end body, it really 169 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: is hard for all of us to manage those expectstions. 170 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: And no matter what size or shape you are, we 171 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: all struggle with body image issues definitely. 172 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: So why would you say it was important for you 173 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 2: to write this book now? 174 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: To be honest, I knew that I wanted to write 175 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 1: a book for a while, but I never was like 176 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: I just knew it was gonna happen when I was 177 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: supposed to happen, And when this book happened, it was 178 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: really a very natural progression. People ask me all the 179 00:08:21,760 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: time about publishing and how they do it, and I'm like, 180 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: I will tell you my experience, but I've been telling 181 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: you this is not the way it normally happens, and 182 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: so everything was just like lined up, Like I seriously 183 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 1: feel like the stars are aligned. I'm like, oh, this 184 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: is happening now. I do think it like when I 185 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 1: look at it back now, I do feel like it 186 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: was the perfect time. I think I have felt like 187 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: in the past couple of years we had seen like 188 00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:45,439 Speaker 1: a resurgence of like body positivity and body acceptance, and 189 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: I felt like we were really like making progress as 190 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: a culture. And then I think like, right now we're 191 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: seeing like a resurgence of diet culture with Ecosmpic and 192 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, Boogal Faber Mobile and all of these things. 193 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: I also think that that's very intentional, because again, the 194 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: diet industry needs to make us feel like we're not 195 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,720 Speaker 1: okay to keep making money and profiting from our insecurities, 196 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: and so I do feel like it's the perfect time 197 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: to be coming out in the midst of like so 198 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: much messaging that we are in fact that we do 199 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: need to change ourselves, and we're getting that like literally 200 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: every day everywhere. So I don't know that this was 201 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: like the time I was like I decided to do it. 202 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: I feel like this is very wuu, but I feel 203 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 1: like the universe decided it was time for you to 204 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:22,079 Speaker 1: write a book, and I knew that I wanted to 205 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: write the book at some point. 206 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, you know, it's one of those like 207 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:28,560 Speaker 2: everything happens for you kind of moments, like whether it 208 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 2: is good stuff or bad stuff. It's hard to come 209 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: to that realization or understanding sometimes, but when you get 210 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 2: into this place where you're like, wow, that thing that 211 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 2: happened like six years ago really did happen for me. 212 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 2: So the thing that happened three years ago and then 213 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: last month, it all kind of tumbles into each other. 214 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I think about it all the time, Like I 215 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: think about all the nose that I got, or like 216 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: things that didn't happen the way that I wanted, And 217 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 1: then in hindsight, I was like, oh no, that was 218 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,079 Speaker 1: like really for my highest good. Sometimes hard to realize 219 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: that in the moment. 220 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,199 Speaker 3: Though you mentioned it before, the term diet culture. 221 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: How does diet culture play into the concept body liberation? 222 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, so diet culture is really just like an ideal 223 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: belief system that essentially is that like thinness is the 224 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: ideal body type and that we should be aspiring to that. 225 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: It also like demonizes food and restricts certain types of food, 226 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 1: and so it really puts us in this place of 227 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: like chasing thinness. And that relates to body liberation, because 228 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: the goal of body liberation for me and for hopefully 229 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: all of the folks who read this book is that 230 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 1: we don't spend the rest of our lives obsessing about 231 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,079 Speaker 1: our bodies. And I think that's so important because I 232 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: think about and one of the things that was really 233 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: important for me to help people see in this book 234 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: and through my own personal story, is that I spent years, 235 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: literally years and years of my life obsessing about my body, 236 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: obsessing about what I was eating, how my exercise schedule was, 237 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 1: Like I would turn down social events, I didn't want 238 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: to go on vacation, Like everything literally revolved around how 239 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: can I keep my body small? And when you're in 240 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: that place, like it is very energetically draining, like literally 241 00:10:56,920 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: all of my metical capacity was going to that. And 242 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: so when I think of about when I talked about 243 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: in the book about breaking up with diet culture and 244 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 1: moving into liberation, it literally that word liberation means freedom, 245 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: and it really truly set me free, and it like 246 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: gave me back off this energy that I could go 247 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 1: and create whatever I'm supposed to be doing in this world. 248 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: And one of the things I always say is that 249 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: we all have very specific magic to add to this world, 250 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: and it has nothing to do with what we look like. 251 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: And when I felt like I was liberated, I was like, Oh, 252 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 1: there's like so many things I want to do that 253 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: have nothing to do with what I look like. And 254 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: I had that energy and that creativity back into my 255 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 1: life to do that. 256 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 2: When did you feel like you achieved quote unquote body 257 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: liberation and where were you? 258 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So the moment I was like, oh, I've done 259 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: the thing is was in twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen. 260 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: It's a woman. I really realized it. I was on 261 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 1: a trip in Madrid. I was in Spain, and I 262 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: had been invited by a woman I had met one time, 263 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: like didn't really know her well, and she invited me 264 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: to go with like a group of like seven other women. 265 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: So I didn't know any of these people, and past 266 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 1: me would have been like so anxious about something like that. 267 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: Number One, I'm like, are people going to judge me? 268 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: Are they going to like be talking about what I 269 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 1: look like. I'm gonna have to eat food for a 270 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 1: whole week I have no control over. And I went 271 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: to this trip and I first off like ended up 272 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: being the most amazing group of people, people I'm still 273 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: friends with today. But there was this one evening we 274 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: were like sitting around like this amazing like if you've 275 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: been to Spain, the food is like top notch, is amazing, 276 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: and yes, so we have like this all this amazing 277 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: food and we're drinking all this amazing wine and I 278 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: was sitting there just like, Wow, I'm having the best time. 279 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 1: This is just so great. And it was like almost 280 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: like one of those out of body experiences because I 281 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: was like I like like was out of the experience 282 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: and I was like looking at myself engaging in this, 283 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:40,839 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, like I couldn't have done 284 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 1: this five years ago and had this beautiful experience with 285 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 1: these people, and like, not once was I worried about 286 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: what I was eating or what people are going to 287 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: think about me. I was just so present and I 288 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: created so many amazing memories. And in the past, my focus, 289 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: even when I was in experiences was always like are 290 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: people judging me? How do I look? What am I eating? 291 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: And I just never was fully there and that was 292 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 1: the moment I was like, Oh, this is what freedom 293 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: feels like. 294 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, can you give us an example of like the 295 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: before times? 296 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's. 297 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: Talk about Yes. So I had this experience I was 298 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: referred to as my rock about a moment when I 299 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 1: was like, oh, girl, you got to fix something like quick. 300 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: So I used to be married and my in laws 301 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: were having like a weekend like family thing, and it 302 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: was like at a water park for the weekend, and 303 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 1: I was dreading it, like up to the moment, dreading 304 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:30,319 Speaker 1: it because I'm like, oh, great, they're not gonna they're 305 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: gonna have like food that I don't want to eat. 306 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be I have to be in a swimsuit. 307 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: And mind you, I was in the thinnest body had 308 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: ever been in as an adult at that point. So 309 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: I went to the weekend. I was so self conscious 310 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: of my swimsuit. Although like, this is the thing about 311 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: body image, right, it like doesn't matter what other people think. 312 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: It matters what you think. Because I'm literally in the 313 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,600 Speaker 1: water park and people are like coming up to me 314 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:53,439 Speaker 1: to like ask me what my workout plan is, and 315 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 1: oh my god, you look so great, and like the 316 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: whole time, I'm like trying to second my stomach more 317 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,239 Speaker 1: and I'm like obsessing about what I look like. So anyway, 318 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: I packed my food for the weekend because it's like 319 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: the best thing I can do to make my fee 320 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,000 Speaker 1: my safe, feel myself feel safe is to bring as 321 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: many of my meals as I can. So we're at 322 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: the water park. We're taking like a lunch break, and 323 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: we go to this restaurant and I pull out my 324 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: cooler and I have like this sad meal that's been 325 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: sitting in the car all day, and so I tell 326 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 1: my partner at the time, I'm like, you guys, just 327 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: go ahead. I'm going to eat in the car because 328 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: you know, I have to eat my meal. And my 329 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: in laws are like, why isn't she coming inside, And 330 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: He's like, oh, she just wants to be healthy, and 331 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: like he was very supportive of wherever I was in 332 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 1: that point in life, and so they asked the restaurant 333 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: if I could bring my food in. The restaurant obliged, 334 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: So I brought my meal in. I'm eating like this 335 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: sad meal. It's like cold, and the sitting there all 336 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: day and I'm sitting around and I'm watching everyone order 337 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: whatever they want, and food's coming out and it smells 338 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: so good and everyone's just eating and they're not even 339 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: thinking about it, they're just joying. And I'm like, wow, 340 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: this is so miserable, Like I can't even have a 341 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: meal without freaking out about it, and this like is 342 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: not living life, Like this is just really really sad. 343 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 1: And that was when I was like, Okay, if I 344 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: don't change something, I'm going to spend the rest of 345 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: my life like this. Because I had a quote unquote 346 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: achieved what I was trying to achieve, right, Like, I 347 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: lost the way I changed my body, and he was 348 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: probably more miserable than I had been before. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 349 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,760 Speaker 2: And so when you reflect on that experience, now, how 350 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: does it make you feel? 351 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I just have so much compassion for that 352 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: version of myself. And that's one of the things I 353 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: talk about in the book too, is that, like, you know, 354 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: it's when you're on the other side, it's easy to 355 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 1: be like, oh, just like there's so much to life 356 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: more than this, and it's like, but no, I was 357 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: in that place for a really long time and for years, 358 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: and I just have so much compassion for that version 359 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: of myself, and sometimes I get upset, though not upsets myself, 360 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: but like angry at the systems because I'm like I 361 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: lost so much time to like die culture, and so 362 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: there's like that aspect of it too. But I think 363 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: for all of us, like, no matter where we are 364 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: in our journey, like self, compassion is so huge, is 365 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 1: so important. 366 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 2: Can you share a little bit about the process of 367 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: learning how to enjoy food and what that looked like 368 00:15:59,720 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: for you? 369 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was actually, you know, harder than maybe I 370 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it's not hard to it's it's I 371 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: think for me. Like, so for all that time, I 372 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: was like religiously tracking macros, Like I was really really 373 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: intense about my macro counting, and so when I decided 374 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: that I wanted to make a change, the first thing 375 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: I did was like, Okay, I'm gonna stop counting macros. However, 376 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: if you've been counting macros for like years and years 377 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: on end, you know what you're eating, right, Like, it's 378 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: really easy to like calculate it in your head. And 379 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: so for me, it was like doing really small things 380 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: at first, like, for example, like I always used to 381 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: use a sugar free creamer only, and then I or 382 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 1: no creamer, and so then I was like, Okay, I 383 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: can add a little bit of cream to my coffee, 384 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: Like let's just do that. That feels like something that 385 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: is doable and attainable. And then I would just like 386 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: slowly add another thing and slowly like really acclimate to 387 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: myself to like back to this place of self trust, 388 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: because I think with that culture we learn, we lose 389 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: the self trust, right, Like we are looking to everyone 390 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: else to tell us what to eat, how to exercise. 391 00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: I did meal plans for years on end that people 392 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: gave me as well, Like I didn't even like the 393 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: food I was eating. I was just eating it because 394 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 1: that's what they told me. And so I was really 395 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: like learning to slowly trust myself again with food and 396 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: to trust my body to know that my body you 397 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: will tell me what it likes and what it doesn't like, 398 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 1: and that I am capable of that. 399 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 400 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 2: Wow, super challenging though, to get to that place where 401 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: you feel like you can trust yourself, especially after being 402 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 2: so regimented for so long. So after you started to 403 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: slowly add things into your diet, was there a time 404 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 2: that you recall like finally feeling a little bit more 405 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 2: at peace. 406 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean slowly and surely I started to notice that. 407 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: But I think what changed for me is when I 408 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: started noticing what I started to feel like more at 409 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: peace is like, you know, one of the things that 410 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: it's also scary about, like that process is also recognizing 411 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:49,359 Speaker 1: that when you start to make changes, there is a 412 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: chance that your body is going to change, and that 413 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: is also something that you have to accept. So when 414 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 1: that started to happen and I was like, Okay, these 415 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: genes are a little snug known and I'm going to 416 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: have to get something different to wear. And when I 417 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: noticed that, it didn't bother me anymore, and I was like, 418 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: oh this because I was also like enjoying my life 419 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: again too, And I was like, okay, my body changed, 420 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: so I got a size bigger in my jeans. I'm 421 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,720 Speaker 1: totally fine, Everything's okay. And also like I'm starting to 422 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: feel like I'm enjoying life again, Like I'm not having 423 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,440 Speaker 1: anxiety about going to dinner, I'm not having anxiety about 424 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: hanging out with friends. That feels really nice. 425 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can totally relate to that feels really nice. 426 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,880 Speaker 2: You know, I had a suit I wanted to wear 427 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 2: for a big interview last year, and I had a 428 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: size like medium pant and I had so much resistance 429 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: over like ordering the large just to have because the 430 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 2: medium fit. But I was like, if I sit down 431 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 2: in this, I might not feel as stellar as I 432 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 2: want to. And I ordered the large, and I remember 433 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 2: feeling so confident that day walking onto the stage and 434 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,639 Speaker 2: feeling good in my body and in that suit, and like, 435 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 2: thank god, I stopped worrying about I stopped letting some 436 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: little tag tell me how I should feel about myself, 437 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 2: Like there is absolutely nothing wrong with wearing the large, 438 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: but we are made by society to feel as though 439 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 2: it is. 440 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: But it's so true. Everything you're saying is so true. 441 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 1: And it's also like what you said is so important 442 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: is that nothing makes you feel confident is like living, 443 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: like wearing clothes that feel good on your body, Like 444 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: that is the thing, regardless of the size, right, that 445 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: makes you feel good and that makes you feel confident. 446 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: And it's like who, Like it's easy. I'm not saying 447 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: this slippingly, but like also like who cares about what 448 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 1: that size says? It's like how you feel that is 449 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: really what's important. 450 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's definitely a school of thought or people 451 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 2: that might be listening to this that here, Okay, it's 452 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: good to feel liberated in your body. We want everyone 453 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 2: to have and be able to present that level of confidence. 454 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 2: But is there a point where it gets too far? 455 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 2: Is there a point where we go too far and 456 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 2: we should be concerned about just how maybe liberated we 457 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 2: are considering some of our other habits. 458 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 3: What do you have to say to that? 459 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: Absolutely, I get this all the time, So I have 460 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on this. I think the first 461 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 1: thing I'll start with is that when we're having that conversation, 462 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: I always say, we have to like also think about 463 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: our own personal biases, right, because oftentimes the conversation about like, 464 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:16,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm just concerned about your health. We say 465 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: that to people when they look a certain way. For example, 466 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: so like you see someone in a larger body eating 467 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: quote unquote junk food and you're like, I'm not don't care. 468 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: I'm just saying it because I'm concerned about your health. 469 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: But also time we see someone like in a smaller 470 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: body doing that and we're like, wow, I'm so jealous. 471 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: I wish I could eat everything and not lose weight too. Right, 472 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: So I think we always have to like step back 473 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: and just think about our own personal biases. That's number one, 474 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: and number two. I think it's also really important to 475 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:42,640 Speaker 1: understand that body liberation is to me, not about like 476 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 1: you don't care for yourself, so you just like throw 477 00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 1: all caution to the wind and you don't care about 478 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: your healthy habits or any of those things, whatever those 479 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: mean to you. Body liberation is about knowing that you 480 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: are worthy of and deserving of respect, regardless of what 481 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: your body looks like. And also when for me anyways, 482 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: like body liberation also is like I do the things 483 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,520 Speaker 1: to take care of myself that feel good for me 484 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: because I love and care for myself. So it's not 485 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: about throwing caution into the wind and just saying like 486 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: forget anything. It's like, actually, like what are the decisions 487 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,360 Speaker 1: and how am I living in a way that makes 488 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,320 Speaker 1: me feel healthy and nourish and energize and focusing on 489 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: those habits and not weight loss is the metric, right, 490 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: because when weight loss was my metric, I wasn't in. 491 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: My nervous system was a mess, Like there's so many 492 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: things that were actually not good, but I looked good 493 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: on the outside, and so I think it's recognizing that 494 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: we can't look at someone determine like what their quote 495 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 1: unquote health is, and that being in a larger body 496 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: doesn't equal unhealthy versus and likewise, being in a smaller 497 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: body doesn't mean you're healthy. And so it's like, actually, 498 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: just like, how are we taking care of ourselves and 499 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 1: nourishing ourselves the best that we can personally? 500 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 2: How are we taking care of ourselves and nourishing ourselves 501 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 2: the best we can personally? Okay, someone's listening to this, 502 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: they want to get liberated? 503 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, how do. 504 00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:51,880 Speaker 1: They do it? 505 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: Give me the roll? 506 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: I think one. I'mill say, definitely read the book. There's 507 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: a lot in there. But I think when we're thinking 508 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: about how do you get liberated? I think that we 509 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: The number one thing I always tell people is the 510 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 1: number one is that it's actually truly a journey, right, 511 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,879 Speaker 1: And although we're talking about my journey that took me 512 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: years to get there. And so I say, you know, 513 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: start to understand the impact of the die culture is 514 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,200 Speaker 1: having on you in your life personally, and start to 515 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 1: think about like, how is it that you really want 516 00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: to feel in your day to day life, and then 517 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 1: start taking small actionable steps towards that, And I think again, 518 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: body positivity sometimes is like this hyper focus on self 519 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: love and this hyper you know, you see a lot 520 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: of like people under the on social media with the 521 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: hashtag body positivity, like just showing pictures in their swimsuit, 522 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,400 Speaker 1: and like those are things that are important that serves 523 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: you personally. But I think thinking about it practically is 524 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: a lot more than just like looking in the mirror 525 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: and saying I love myself, And it's really starting to 526 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: understand your relationship with yourself, understand like where are you 527 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: really deriving your worthiness from and starting to have some 528 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: of those like compassionately having those questions with yourself or 529 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,399 Speaker 1: those conversations with yourself and really interrogating that and then saying, 530 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,159 Speaker 1: like how what are this that I can start to 531 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: take personally to break up with diet culture because that 532 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: journey for all of us is going to look very different. 533 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: And I think a big important part is like who 534 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: you're surrounding yourself with and not just like in person, yes, 535 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: but also like what you're consuming, Like there is nothing 536 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,360 Speaker 1: that will like mess with your body image more than 537 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: scrolling through social media and seeing a bunch of like 538 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: die culture talk or any of those things. So like 539 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: being really mindful of what you're consuming and who you're following, 540 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: and reading books about The first book I ever read 541 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: on the topic of body image was The Body's Not 542 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: an Apology by Sonya Renee Taylor, and like really helped 543 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: me to start thinking about things differently. So reading books 544 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: and like following people who are talking about these things 545 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: in positive ways, and being patient and kind and passionate 546 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: to yourself throughout the soul process is like so important. 547 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 3: What helped you be patient? 548 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: Well, I think I always remember that took me a 549 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: long time, Like, you know, I was invested in shrinking 550 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: my body for over a decade. So I can't expect 551 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 1: myself to get out of that mindset in you know, 552 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: two months, Like it's just not true, it's not And 553 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 1: so it just takes a long time to divest from that. 554 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 1: And we just need to show ourselves grace and compassion. 555 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: And I always say, like we are so deserving of 556 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 1: the compassion that we show other people. Like and I 557 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: talk about in the book too, is like how critical 558 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: we are of ourselves sometimes in terms of our bodies. 559 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: Are just like in terms of wanting to fix things 560 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: right away, and it's like, oh, if we treated other 561 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: people like that, we wouldn't have any friends, right, And 562 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: so it's like, how can we show that same kindness 563 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: and compassion to ourselves every single day. 564 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 3: Every single day? 565 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: You know, this reminds me of the fact that I'm 566 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 2: dealing with planter fasciatus right now. 567 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 3: It's so annoying. 568 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 2: But that was an overuse injury that didn't come overnight. 569 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 3: And so it's not going to go away in one month, right. 570 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: Like this is like years and years of running right absolutely, 571 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,959 Speaker 2: so just the exact same kind of timeline with like 572 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 2: you're talking about navigating being obsessed with your weight and size. 573 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: It's going to take time, it's going to take work. 574 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 2: I also love what you said about consumption and who 575 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,679 Speaker 2: we are following on social media. I think that oftentime 576 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: you're worried about how someone may perceive, like, oh, well, 577 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 2: I don't want them to know that I unfollow them 578 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 2: or I feel bad doing X or y. But like, 579 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 2: you got to put yourself first, right, You got to 580 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 2: start with you, because if you don't put your own 581 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 2: oxygen mask on, then you're not going to be able 582 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 2: to show up in so many of the other things 583 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: that you have going on, whether it be for yourself personally, 584 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 2: your friends, your family, your work, and so on. 585 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I always tell people if I'm triggering 586 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: you and follow me like, I'm not going to take 587 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 1: it personally, right like, because it is about your own 588 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: mental health as the priority, and like that has to 589 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: be the thing that matters. Who cares for someone thing 590 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: and else you can always mute if you really feel 591 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: like so strongly about it, but literally, like, take care 592 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: of your mental health is a priority, and that's the 593 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: most important thing. 594 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 2: We all just have to own our own narrative, right Like, 595 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 2: your perspective is your reality, so shape it. Do whatever 596 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: you can to make yourself feel good because you're the 597 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: one that's living your every single day. Right You're the 598 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: person that you're talking to the most every single day. 599 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 2: So what is that conversation? Like, how does it sound? 600 00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: How can it be more positive? These are all things 601 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 2: that you have the opportunit unity to take ownership over. 602 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: I literally say that in the book, like, your relationship 603 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: with yourself is the most important relationship because you are 604 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: with yourself every minute of every day, and we have 605 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 1: to prioritize that relationship with ourselves more than any other ones. 606 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I have really worked hard to love myself. 607 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 2: But sometimes I'm like, yo, can we just take a 608 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 2: beat today? 609 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 1: Yeah? 610 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 2: And that's and that's how you don't want to overthink 611 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: I think that we get into this. I'm definitely like 612 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 2: an overthinker. And so some days I'm like, how can 613 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 2: Emily rest for Emily today? Like how can we me myself? 614 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: And I take a break to get back into my body, 615 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 2: to get back into these these positive affirmations, talking to 616 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,639 Speaker 2: myself kindly, Like there is not a single person that 617 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 2: goes through a span of time without at one point 618 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,360 Speaker 2: or another. I believe the statistic is something like eighty 619 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 2: to eighty five percent of our thoughts every day are negative. 620 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 2: It's like insane, right, So, like, you get to choose 621 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 2: how you're greeting the world, and by doing that, you 622 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: choose how the world greets you. Energy attracts like energy, etcetera, etcetera. 623 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: I totally agree for that. 624 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 2: Okay, So, as we are hopefully moving toward liberation, we 625 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 2: talked about working on the way that we speak to 626 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 2: ourselves and really coming to a place that is with 627 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 2: Karen concern for our body. What other any other tips 628 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 2: or tricks or tools that you would recommend someone to 629 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 2: use on their journey toward body liberation. 630 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things I talk about. I 631 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: have a whole chapter dedicated to its boundaries, because when 632 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: we start to work on a relationship with body image 633 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: and we start to heal that and repair that, the 634 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: reality is we still exist in the world in which 635 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 1: a lot of people haven't done that work. And so like, 636 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 1: setting boundaries from a place of love is really important 637 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: in our friend circles and relationships with our families. I 638 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 1: think a lot of people make comments about our bodies, 639 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: oftentimes well intentioned, but I think just really being honest 640 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: and vulnerable people like this is something I'm working on, 641 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: and like, I thank you for your concern, but I 642 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: don't want to discuss my body or I don't want 643 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: to talk about dieting when we're together, and like, really 644 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 1: being intentional with conversations about people about that beefully people 645 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: can respect our boundaries. I think it's really helpful because again, 646 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: when we're living in a world and we see dike 647 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: culture everywhere. We see it in the media, we see 648 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: it on billboards, we see it on TV, the last 649 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: thing we need is to like have it in our 650 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: personal space as well. And so I think really talking 651 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 1: to people about that and just like having that conversation 652 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: is really important. So I think that's part of it. 653 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: When you're working on this relationship with body image, Like 654 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: instead of saying, like I need to fix all of 655 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: the I need to do, like, what is one way 656 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: that I can care for myself this week? What is 657 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: one thing that I can commit to make a promise 658 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: to myself to treat myself with myself with kindness and compassion. 659 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: What is you know, when I hear myself make a 660 00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: disparaging mark about myself, how can I change that in 661 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: the moment and like make small actional steps versus like 662 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to overhaul everything and repair everything, because as 663 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: we already stated, it takes time. And also show yourself 664 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: compassion when like you know, you'll have weeks when you're 665 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: like I'm flying, Hi, I love myself, this is great, 666 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: and then the next week you're like, oh, I hate 667 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: this thing about myself. Recognize that that's also part of 668 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 1: the journey. It's not heal. The process to healing your relationship, 669 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 1: it's not linear, and so in those moments recognize again, 670 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm doing the best I can today, And how can 671 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: I love myself a little bit harder today because I 672 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: need a little extra love and care. 673 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that idea of like choosing one thing 674 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: and being realistic about like what actually feels possible for 675 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: you And the coaching certification I'm finishing up right now. 676 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 2: We do we set aim smart goals, and we are 677 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 2: many of us are familiar with the term smart justific measurable, attainable, realistic, 678 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 2: and time bound. But aim is setting goals that are 679 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 2: either like what is let's say like acceptable, so the 680 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:34,960 Speaker 2: lowest form of that goal, what is inspirational, so like 681 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,400 Speaker 2: maybe the max amount of that goal, and what's the medium? 682 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: Where can you meet yourself in the middle so that 683 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 2: you can be realistic about where your bandwidth is right? 684 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 2: And so to be honest with yourself can be really challenging, 685 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 2: especially when you do have such like inspirational aspirational goals 686 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: in your life. But that is where compassion really begins, right, 687 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: is being honest with where you're at. Because until you 688 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 2: get honest with how you feel, what thoughts you're having, 689 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: you be able to do any more that work. 690 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. And for me, when I was like 691 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 1: over exercising, I was literally spending eighteen hours a week 692 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: in the gym, three hours, six days a week. Right, 693 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: So when I was like, oh, okay, I need to 694 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 1: change something, I wasn't like I'm gonna cut out to 695 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 1: three days a week because that wasn't realistic. I'm like, okay, 696 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: can I cut from six to five days? Can I 697 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: start there? Will I feel okay with that? And that 698 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: was my starting point, right, And then I was like, okay, 699 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: well maybe instead of three hours a day, how does 700 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: two and a half hours feel? Right? And so like 701 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,960 Speaker 1: really making like you're saying what feels attainable that I 702 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: will still feel like safe, also feel doable, and that 703 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: I can actually commit to doing yeah. 704 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 3: And I think a lot of the time. 705 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 2: Something else that can be challenging is that you probably 706 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: had really good relationships with people or friends at the gym, right, 707 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: and you are scared about leaving an environment that you've 708 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 2: cultivated because you don't want to become suddenly like an outsider, rightly, 709 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 2: how would you navigate that? 710 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,840 Speaker 1: That was hard though, because the culture of the gym 711 00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: that I was in also is like everything on my behavior, 712 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: like my diet, dieting behaviors, my X raise behaviors were 713 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: like celebrated and praised within the gym. It wasn't seen 714 00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: as like a problem. And so when I started to 715 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 1: like kind of try to change my mindset, that was 716 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: really difficult to navigate, actually, because I'm like, oh, these 717 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: are my people, though, this is like my community. I 718 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: don't want to lose that. I don't want to feel 719 00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: I don't want them to like judge me for not 720 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: being as committed as I was before. And I think 721 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: because I like slowly progressed, like degress, I get regressed, 722 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: I slowly regress from that, it didn't feel as hard. 723 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: But eventually I did stop going to the gym, and 724 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: not because they did anything wrong. It just didn't feel 725 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: like a fit for me anymore. And I that was 726 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: when I was living in Wisconsin, was before I moved 727 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: to Brooklyn. I still like casually keep in touch with 728 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: some of those folks, but definitely the relationships aren't like 729 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: they were before. 730 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 2: Right, And you have to be honest with yourself about 731 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 2: how that makes you feel, right, because true or false, 732 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 2: you have other relationships in your life right now that 733 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: are very fulfilling and that's like the you know, the 734 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: silver lining on the other side is like when you're 735 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 2: in the moment, when you're in the middle of it, 736 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,680 Speaker 2: it's hard to see what else will happen for you. 737 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 2: But for you to take that ownership over what you 738 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: needed and then slowly walk away from something knowing that 739 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: maybe it wasn't serving you anymore, that's really impressive and 740 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: super empowering. 741 00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,160 Speaker 1: And honestly, like, that's all of life, right, not just 742 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 1: in like that's in all areas of our lives. But 743 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,400 Speaker 1: you're right, it's so hard we're in those moments of transition. 744 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: It's so difficult. Like I can look at so many 745 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: areas of my life and I didn't really know it 746 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,239 Speaker 1: was on the other side. But now that I'm here, 747 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, that was all worth it, But it's 748 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,719 Speaker 1: so hard to navigate when you're in it. 749 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 3: What other exciting stuff do you have coming up, Chrissy. 750 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: Honestly, so I don't know really what I was telling 751 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 1: you before this. I'm like, I'm trying to, like, literally, 752 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 1: the book came out a week ago, so I'm doing 753 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of like speaking engagements and stuff like that 754 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: related to the book. That's all super exciting. But I 755 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: was telling you before we started the interview, that's been 756 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: one week and I'm really trying to like not start 757 00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: asking what's next yet, just give myself a little bit 758 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: of time. And I'm sure you know how that is. Right, 759 00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: you do this big thing, You're like, Okay, what's the 760 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: next thing? So right now I'm just like, all right, 761 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 1: take a beat doing stuff related to the book, and 762 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: then we'll see what happens after that. I know that 763 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: I do want to write another book, but but we're 764 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: not We're not there yet, so take a beat. 765 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 2: So my trick to the problem where I'm like, oh, 766 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 2: you should celebrate is just stack them right on top 767 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 2: of each other, right. 768 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: You know that's how do you even stop? 769 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 3: Right? Just keep going like completely crash. Trust me. 770 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 2: I have like after all of these work trips that 771 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 2: I have back to back, I literally might leave my 772 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 2: phone in Brooklyn. I booked a trip to Miami for 773 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 2: seventy two hours debating. 774 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: Leaving the phone. Don't know how safe that is. 775 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 2: I think I'm anxious about leaving my phone in New York, 776 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,600 Speaker 2: but it will definitely stay in the hotel room. 777 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely heard that, Damn sure. Chrissy. 778 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: For those people that don't follow you yet on social, 779 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: give us the info. Where can they buy The Body 780 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: Liberation Project? 781 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: Fill me in absolutely so on social, on Instagram, TikTok 782 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: and Twitter. It's I am Christie King. The book, The 783 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: By Libration Project is available anywhere books are sold. 784 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 3: We love it. 785 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 2: We'll link to it in the show notes as well. 786 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 2: You know how to find Hurdle. It's over at Hurdle Podcast. 787 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: I am over at Emily a body Hurdle conquered. Catch 788 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 2: you guys next time. 789 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 3: M