1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: In the early morning hours of September nineteenth, nineteen eighty eight, 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,600 Speaker 1: Richard Valdez and Sharon Condon were murdered in Scott's Bluff, Nebraska. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: Scrolled in engine grease on the floor of their home. 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: The letters JFF and BPE. Investigators sought out local man 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Jeff Boubrey, who returned from a road trip to dispel suspicion, 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:31,400 Speaker 1: but soon the two friends who were with him gave 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: statements to the contrary. Jeff faced a potential death sentence, 8 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: yet according to the first witness on scene, the message 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 1: in engine grease that tilted the investigation toward Jeff was 10 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: not there when he discovered the bodies. This is Wrongful Conviction. 11 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Wrongful Conviction. You can listen to this 12 00:00:57,520 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: and all the Lava for Good podcasts one week or 13 00:00:59,880 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: ad free by subscribing to Lava for Good Plus on 14 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:15,199 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts. Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction, where this week 15 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: we're going for the first time to Scott's Bluff, Nebraska, 16 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: where we came across a double murder scene that appears 17 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,479 Speaker 1: to have been in part staged, possibly driven in part 18 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: by incestuous urges or a cocaine operation involving law enforcement 19 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,639 Speaker 1: and calling in from a Nebraska state penitentiary. The man 20 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 1: who had the terrible misfortune of being one of the 21 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,639 Speaker 1: last to buy some of that cocaine, Jeff Beauprix. Jeff, 22 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: thanks for calling. 23 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: In, well, thank you for what you guys are doing 24 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: for the innocent and. 25 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: Joining him to help make sense of this a crazy ordeal. 26 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 1: His attorney, Tom Freericks, Tom, thanks for joining us. 27 00:01:58,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 3: Absolutely my pleasure. 28 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: So let's do what we do and start at the 29 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: very beginning. 30 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: I was born in Mayville, North Dakota, to Clarence Baupriy 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 2: and Delores beaupri My parents were actually from a little 32 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: town about seven miles from the Canadian border called Rala, 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 2: North Dakota, and I got an older sister and two 34 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 2: younger brothers. We've always been a really close family. My 35 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 2: dad was an alcoholic, my mom was the peace maker 36 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: of everything. We did move around a lot. My dad 37 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 2: was a mechanic and was a little hot headed if 38 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 2: he was working a job and somebody pissed him off 39 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: and we were up and moving around. So we wind 40 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: up moving to Grand Forks, North Dakota, Petersburg, North Dakota 41 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 2: and then Albuquerque, New Mexico, and then we wind up 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: moving to Nebraska. So it was a lot of adjustment, 43 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: but I dealt with it. And then when I graduated, 44 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: I wind up going into a roofing business until nineteen 45 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: eighty four eighty five. Then I went back to college 46 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: and stuff for auto body and stuff. So I'm actually 47 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: an auto bout body technician painting cars and stuff. But 48 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 2: I was in a bad accident in nineteen eighty seven 49 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: where I rolled the truck working for Weathercraft Roofing, and 50 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: I laid in it for an hour and a half 51 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 2: before they cut me out of it. There is pictures 52 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,920 Speaker 2: of the accident, and it's probably pretty amazing that I 53 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: even lived. 54 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: Through that, And having seen those pictures, I can attest 55 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: that it is an absolute miracle that he survived. And 56 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: during his time on the Men, Jeff came into contact 57 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: with a number of people involved in this case. He 58 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: hired an attorney named Lenn Tabor to handle his personal 59 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: injury and workers' compensation proceedings, and he began to dabble 60 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: in some drugs, which brought him into contact with some 61 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: other drug users, like a queen of his younger brother, 62 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: Alan Neeman and Kennard Waspmer, as well as one of 63 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: the victims in this case, a local drug dealer named 64 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: Richard Valdez. 65 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: Richard was a quiet person. He had to really get 66 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 2: to know you before you were able to go in 67 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: and buy drugs from him. 68 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 4: And Jeff broke through that and was able to get served. 69 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: But the only relationship we had was he was in 70 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 2: the business to sell drugs when I was in this 71 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 2: accident and trying to release some pain. 72 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 4: Waspmer and Nieman did not know Valdez well enough, so 73 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 4: when Wasper and Neieman wanted to get some cocaine, they 74 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 4: would enlist Jeff's help. 75 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,799 Speaker 1: And then there was the other victim, Valdez's girlfriend, Sharon Condon, 76 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: who had a concerning relationship to say the least, with 77 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: her first cousin, a guy named John Yellowboy. Now some 78 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:59,560 Speaker 1: said Yellow Boy had an unnatural attraction to Sharon. In fact, 79 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: there had been some high drama in the weeks leading 80 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: up to her death. 81 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 4: She apparently went to the hospital because she had gotten 82 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 4: hit with the butt of a gun during his dispute 83 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 4: with John. We pulled all of the criminal cases that 84 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 4: existed on Yellowboy Prior to the murder, Yellow Boy was 85 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: incarcerated at about fifteen for a pretty violent rape of 86 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 4: a middle aged woman that occurred, according to the police reports, 87 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 4: right in front of the woman's daughter. He left a 88 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 4: code at the scene that coat belonged to a relative. 89 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 4: It's almost like he was setting him up or something. 90 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 4: I don't know, but there are a string of just 91 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 4: incredibly strange assault of behavior. When I met John's sister 92 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 4: and this stuck with me, probably because of the age 93 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 4: I grew up in, and I asked her, just give 94 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 4: me an idea who John Yellowboy is. She paused for 95 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 4: a moment, and then she looked at me, very directly, 96 00:05:59,320 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: matter of factly, and said, have you ever seen the 97 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 4: movie Halloween? That's basically my brother. 98 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,600 Speaker 1: John, and that's his sister saying that. So this is 99 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: the backdrop for what happened on September eighteenth into the 100 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: nineteenth of nineteen eighty eight, when Nieman Wassmer and another 101 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: man Chris Ruff had asked Jeff for help. Was Richard Valdez. 102 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: They asked me if I could get them some weed 103 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,600 Speaker 2: and some coke, and this is around ten o'clock at night. 104 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 2: So I proceeded to go out to Valdeza's house by myself. 105 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: There was no lights or nothing on at the Valdez's residence, 106 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:38,039 Speaker 2: so if you visualize, it's like on a rural road. 107 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: I mean it's dark, so it's kind of spooky in 108 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 2: a way. And I went up and I knocked on 109 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 2: the door. Nobody was there, so then I left, and 110 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: then I went to meet those guys at their trailer, 111 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 2: and then I told him, I said, hey, I think 112 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: I know where Valdez might be at. And I went 113 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: to what's called Tiptop Trailer Court, and this is where 114 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: John yellow Boy he asked. He came out at one 115 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: of the apartments and he said that Valdez he'd be 116 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 2: back in a little while. 117 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: Jeff eventually caught up with Richard Valdez in town and 118 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: bought some coke for Wasner and Nieman then traveled back 119 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: and forth to Valdez's place for more cocaine that evening. 120 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: The last time was around eleven thirty PM. 121 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: And then that was the last time I seen Richard Valdez. 122 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: And then once we were back to Kenner, Wisemuth and 123 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 2: Allen Nemans trailer at about twelve o'clock Chris Ruff. He 124 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: said he was leaving Kennard and Allen. They were pretty 125 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: high that night, and so during this time, Allen and 126 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: Kennard said, Hey, why don't we take a road trip. 127 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: Let's go to Arizona. 128 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: Jeff had a friend named Cassie who lived out in Arizona. 129 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: So the three of them got some things together and 130 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: got on the road. After all, cocaine is a hell 131 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: of a drug. But I digress here. In the following hours, 132 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: while these three were on the road, Sharon, Condon and 133 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: Richard were killed. The state's narrative was that they were 134 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: fatally shot around the same time inside the house, and 135 00:08:07,880 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: that Richard partially wrote Jeff's name on the ground in Engine, 136 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: Greece as a sort of dying declaration, and that's the theory. 137 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 4: I don't think that's what occurred. I don't think Richard 138 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 4: Valdez was killed inside the house. I think he was 139 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 4: brought back in the house and staged. The stab wounds 140 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 4: and the blood loss don't equal that he lost all 141 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 4: of his blood in the position where his body was found. 142 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: And we've now got a pathologist who says that these 143 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 4: wounds across his neck and one of the bullet shots 144 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 4: were post mortem, and two thousand and eighteen we went 145 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 4: and went through all of the evidence still at the 146 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 4: Scott's Bluff County Sheriff's department. 147 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: And there we found a. 148 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 4: Package that had negatives, not photographs, and a memorandum from 149 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 4: a former deputy sheriff that said these were found in 150 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 4: Alex Marino's desk in twenty twelve fourteen, I don't remember 151 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 4: the actual date. 152 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 3: And there's a picture of a knife. 153 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: You have no idea where that knife's at, but it 154 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,319 Speaker 4: looks like it's in a cornfield, which this house was 155 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 4: surrounded by cornfield. A black and white photograph of a 156 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 4: knife that doesn't match any of the other crime scene photos. 157 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:22,439 Speaker 3: It's just insane. 158 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 1: And that's just the beginning. And then there's Sharon's death, 159 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: which was overheard by the sixteen year old girl who 160 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 1: was with her at the time, a girl named Melissa Martinez. 161 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 4: According to her, she's in the back bedroom and they 162 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 4: hear people enter the house and she recognizes John Yellow 163 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: Boy's voice. Sharon tells her to hide, which she does 164 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 4: partially under the bed. The lights go out, she hears 165 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 4: the commotion, and then she waits and waits and eventually 166 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 4: runs out of the house, and if you look at 167 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 4: the crime scene photos, she has to flip the mattress 168 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 4: to get Sharon off of her. And if you look 169 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 4: at the crime scene photos, you can see where Sharon 170 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 4: bled out, and then you could see that her body 171 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 4: was moved and she continued to bleed. That's never explained. 172 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: Now, Melissa Martinez claims that she didn't hear Richard's death 173 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: or see his body on her way out the door, 174 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: which might be why this account was never included in 175 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: the state's narrative. It just didn't fit. But Melissa accounts 176 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: for the two spots where Sharon bled without having seen 177 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:33,559 Speaker 1: the crime scene photographs, which certainly bolsters her credibility. 178 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: Right. 179 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: So, okay, back to her memory. 180 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 4: She runs through the same doorway where Richard Valdez's body 181 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 4: is supposedly right in the doorway. I mean she would 182 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 4: have tripped over him. She then runs to a neighbor 183 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 4: and is pounding on the door at two three in 184 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 4: the morning. The neighbors confirmed that there was somebody pounding 185 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 4: on the door that morning, and then she makes her 186 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 4: way into town. That was about three am. 187 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: So both the crime scene photos of Sharon and the 188 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: neighbor's account. Robberate Melissa's version of events, and we'll explain 189 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,319 Speaker 1: what happens to her in a bit. So, then both 190 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: bodies were discovered in the house Sharon where Melissa left her, 191 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,160 Speaker 1: and then Richard's was in the doorway. 192 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 4: There's a gentleman by the name of Eddie Johnson who 193 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 4: claims that he came there, saw the door slightly Ajar 194 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 4: pushed the door and it pushed it into Valdez. He 195 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 4: then kneeled down by the body, checked the body, realized 196 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 4: he was dead. And this is before cell phones. So 197 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 4: he then goes into Scott's Bluff and calls the police. 198 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 4: And as he's on the phone with the police, he 199 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: sees a cop driving by and flags him down. An 200 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 4: officer by the name of Terry Hall says, look, there's 201 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 4: a Duti's dead out here. They go to the scene, 202 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 4: Eddie stays outside. Eddie's later shown crime scene photos twenty 203 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: plus years later and says, that's not how the body 204 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,960 Speaker 4: was laid out. There was no grease next to the body. 205 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: I would have stepped right in it. Because next to 206 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 4: Valdez's body in crime scene. 207 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 3: Photos are two words. 208 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 4: In Greece, partial words j Ff and bope. According to 209 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: the autopsy doctor at the time, he would have been 210 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 4: bleeding profusely where he would have bled out very quickly 211 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 4: within a matter of minutes, and that's from the state's 212 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 4: own guy. But apparently in those minutes he still would 213 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 4: have been able to grab a tube of engine grease 214 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 4: right out Jeff and then maybe write Jeff on the 215 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 4: wall and blood and then ironically put the tuber grease 216 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 4: underneath him before he died. I figured that they find 217 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 4: the two degrees. You can see it in the crime 218 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 4: scene video. They lift his body up and go, oh, 219 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 4: there's the two degrees. But there was a question at 220 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 4: that time of trial whether he would have been able 221 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 4: to do that given the wounds he had suffered. But 222 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 4: the forensic pathologists today's in no way, not a chance 223 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 4: is he doing that. 224 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: According to the autopsy, Jeff's injuries included eight gunshot wounds 225 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: and two stab wounds, one of each type happening post mortem. 226 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: Either way, he was losing blood at an estimated rate 227 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: of about a half a leader per minute, leaving only 228 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty seconds two and a half minutes 229 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: until he'd experienced significant loss of his motor skills as 230 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: blood flow concentrated around maintaining his vital organs, which is 231 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: why the pathologists is saying, no way to the dying declaration. 232 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: But if that doesn't feel definitive enough, then you have 233 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: the two post mortem wounds. So not only does that, 234 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: along with on accounted for blood at the scene, suggests 235 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: staging of the body, but also whoever inflicted these post 236 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: mortem injuries was not going to allow him to make 237 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: a dying declaration, let alone apparently a second. 238 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 4: One along the doorstop there is Jeff written in blood. 239 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 4: After they've surrendered the crime scene back to the family, 240 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 4: Valdez's family says, you got to get back out here. 241 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 4: It says Jeff and blood on here, And they went, oh, 242 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: but geez, we must have missed that. 243 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: So maybe whoever had killed Sharon Richard or both of 244 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: them was still lurking around after Eddie had discovered the 245 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: bodies and then wrote Jeff's name at the crime scene, 246 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: trying to send the police in Jeff's direction. So the 247 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: police went straight to Jeff's and his father told them 248 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: about Jeff's thirty two caliber handgun while the police searched 249 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: for that. The next time Jeff called home. His dad 250 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: told him what was happening. 251 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 2: I had a passport to leave the country, and he said, 252 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 2: you want me to send this. I said no, I said, 253 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: I'm coming back. I'm innocent. I didn't do this when 254 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 2: I made this trip back and I got arrested. And 255 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: Leonard Taylor was my attorney. All he really worked on 256 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 2: was workman's comp cases and dwi's. This was actually his 257 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 2: first murder trial that he ever participated in. 258 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: Already, this is a bad sign. And then things get 259 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: worse when they questioned Waspmer and Neemen. 260 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: During the recorded interview. 261 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 4: Neemen is denying any knowledge about Anythingniemen's there with a 262 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 4: public defender. The public defender tells Neeman, look, you're gonna 263 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: be in just fan shape with these fan gentlemen, and leaves. 264 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: That's one the Atturneyniemen was specifically told that if he 265 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 4: didn't give a story blaming bou Prix, he was going 266 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: to be charged with the murder. Neiman then comes up 267 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 4: with a story that you know, bou pri went in 268 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 4: and then he heard a gunshot, and then beaupre grabbed 269 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 4: a few things inside the house and brought him out, 270 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 4: and Neiman then goes in and supposedly steals in camera, 271 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 4: and that's ultimately what he pleads guilty to. 272 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: So he pleads guilty to theft. The problem is that 273 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: Sharon's camera was a really nice one, while the one 274 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: that Nieman pled guilty to stealing was cheap piece of junk. Additionally, 275 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 1: not only were there tens of thousands of dollars worth 276 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: of cash and drugs in the house, but Richard had 277 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,040 Speaker 1: three thousand dollars worth of cocaine in his pocket, which 278 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 1: makes this deaf motive totally unbelievable, not to mention that 279 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: this statement was made under the threat of a potential 280 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: death sentence, and then Wassmer got similar treatment. So he 281 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: said that he overheard Jeff and Allen talking about the 282 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: murder and then he helped to get rid of Jeff's 283 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: thirty two caliber handgun. 284 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 4: On the way to Arizona, they obtained the record of 285 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 4: the firearm that Jeff had bought before they ever found 286 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 4: the firearm to know what kind of firearm it was, 287 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 4: and then changed that so, I don't know, we didn't 288 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 4: get those records. Then we got him months later, Wasmer says. 289 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 4: Then he disassembles the gun and throws it out in 290 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,640 Speaker 4: different parts along the way, but they found a gun 291 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 4: not disassembled. 292 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: Which would have ruled out Wassmer's statement. It just didn't match. 293 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: They say that we jumped over a fence and threw 294 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,160 Speaker 2: it in a mud hole. I'm like, where are they 295 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 2: getting this? 296 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: So a thirty two caliber handgun was presented as Jeff's gun, 297 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:25,479 Speaker 1: allegedly found somewhere outside of Gallup, New Mexico, and it 298 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: was missing the thumb safety, which would have held in 299 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: the cartridge in this gun. Then the disconnector as well 300 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: as the hammer pin, which could have been used to 301 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:38,080 Speaker 1: most accurately identify this weapon as Jeff's or not. Nevertheless, 302 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: the narrative had congealed around this weapon and the two statements. 303 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: But then they got wind of sixteen year old Melissa 304 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: Martinez talking about the murder with her classmates. 305 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 2: We found out about her in nineteen ninety two a 306 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 2: lady named Mellie Estada. Melly was a dispatch for the 307 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department. I think her daughter, Patty, told her that 308 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 2: Melissa had told this story at school. So she went 309 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: to State Patrol and they took a statement from Patty 310 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: and they said that they didn't believe her. 311 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: So by September twenty ninth, nineteen eighty eight, police had 312 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: spoken with Melissa. According to her affidavits many years later, 313 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 1: she told them about her experience that night. She knew 314 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: John Yello boy, don't forget. She told them that she 315 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: heard his voice in the trailer right before Sharon was killed. 316 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: And then there's the rest of her memory about running out, 317 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: not seeing Richard's body, and banging on the neighbor's door. 318 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: Of course, this all ran counter to the narrative from 319 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: Neemon and wasper They. 320 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 4: Take Melissa and scuttle her around in different juvenile placements 321 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 4: and get her out of. 322 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:49,480 Speaker 1: Town along with her brand new living arrangements. A state 323 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: police report was submitted into evidence alleging that Melissa admitted 324 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 1: to fabricating the story. So that's all that the defense 325 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: was privy to a trial, and again things continued to 326 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: get worse. 327 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: The whole process was kind of shady from the beginning, 328 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: because if you look at the rules of the courts, 329 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 2: now that I understand it, you pick a jury one 330 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: day two days before you actually go to trial. They 331 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 2: had picked my jury like seventeen days out. There was 332 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,640 Speaker 2: no sub question of the jury or nothing like that, 333 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 2: so they got to see all the evidence that was 334 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: playing out in the media. 335 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 1: Which all potentially biased the jury going into trial. In 336 00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: early March nineteen eighty nine, when Alan Neeman testified that 337 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: Jeff suggested robbing and killing Richard on their multiple trips 338 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: to buy cocaine, Nieman claimed that Jeff had stopped at 339 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: his house, perhaps to get his gun before their final 340 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: trip to Richards, at which point he said that Jeff 341 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: shot Richard when he came to the door, suggesting a 342 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:57,959 Speaker 1: forensically very improbable angle. Then said that they both stole 343 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: things from the house, including a ca and drug scales, 344 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: before Jeff went back inside, and Neeman said he heard 345 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: a woman's voice followed by gunshots. 346 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 2: Alan Neman, he testifies, he can't motion to me. You 347 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 2: could read his lips where he was saying he was 348 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 2: sorry of what he was saying. 349 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: Despite whatever little good that did. Another state's witness named 350 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 1: rich Zog, claimed that Jeff had suggested robbing Richard on 351 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: multiple occasions, but again, there were tens of thousands of 352 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: dollars in drugs and cash left behind that made this 353 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: whole robbery story sound ludicrous. So moving on, they presented 354 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: wasmer with his bit about disassembling the gun and tossing 355 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: it away. 356 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,479 Speaker 4: Then there's a fun guy named Mike Knu, a jailhouse snitch, 357 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 4: who testifies that Jeff confessed. 358 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,199 Speaker 2: I think he said that I told him that you 359 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 2: should have heard the bit compleet for life and some 360 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: other stuff about val Daz kind of wrote nothing because 361 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 2: he was bleeding too much. 362 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 1: So the state it's own witness dispels the idea that 363 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: this was a dying declaration, while also assigning a consciousness 364 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 1: of guilt to Jeff. 365 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 4: Now, Jeff lawyer Taber also represented the jail house snitch, 366 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 4: but he never disclosed that he actually represented him. He 367 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 4: was serving time on a drunk driving case. It's unclear 368 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 4: what he got, although I mean he obviously was let 369 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 4: out of jail. 370 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: Well, I was being held at in jail. I was 371 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 2: like segregated from everybody else. So he apparently got out, 372 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 2: and then he came back in January, and he was 373 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 2: a trustee, so he started saying, Hey, I'm going to 374 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 2: a with your father. You want anything to say. I said, yeah, 375 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 2: tell my dad I love him and stuff like that. 376 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: And that was probably the extent of any of our conversations. 377 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 2: But when he got on the stand and started saying 378 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 2: that he sept by my cell and I told him 379 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 2: the whole story, I'm like, this has to be a 380 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: plant from Silverman. 381 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: Or perhaps indirectly Leonard Tabor. Maybe he was told to 382 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: approach the head DA Silverman to offer his testimony for 383 00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: leniency in the charges for which Tabor was representing him. 384 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: We can't know the specifics, but one thing I do 385 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: know is that this shit freaking stinks. 386 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 2: The jailers even got on the stand that testified said 387 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: that there was canvas pointing at my cell. They could 388 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: have seen all that stuff if somebody sit in front 389 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 2: of my cell and I told him for an hour 390 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 2: or so to tell them my story. So two of 391 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: the jailers got up on a stand and testified to 392 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 2: the fact that this never happened. 393 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: In addition to the jailers, Tabor had prepared expert witnesses 394 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: to battle both the States pathologists who claimed that Valdez 395 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: could have mustered the strength to write two dying declarations, 396 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: as well as the ballistics expert who called the gun 397 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: allegedly found in the desert a match. 398 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 2: The guy that they had was Mark Bahadi. His story 399 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 2: has changed now too. But our expert Kwood said that 400 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 2: he couldn't even test fire the gun and that there 401 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 2: was no way that this was the weapon. And then 402 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: our pathologist, he said there's no way. He was losing 403 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: too much blood in all this sudden stuff. And they 404 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 2: believed the state's pathologists that didn't have a quarter of 405 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 2: the experience that the pathologists that we hired out of Omaha. 406 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: And maybe with the battle of experts and shaky witnesses, 407 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: there was a nudge in the wrong direction from one 408 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: of the defense's own witnesses, John Yellowboy. 409 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 4: He's called as a defense witness. Why, I have no idea, 410 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 4: but he does end up throwing dirt on Jeff. 411 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: He said that he was president at the scene that 412 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: night and saw Jeff Beaupriy there, But at what time? 413 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: After all, Jeff had gone out to Richards several times 414 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: that night, plus yellow Boy appears to have had his 415 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: own motivations as a potential suspect. Either way, this couldn't 416 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 1: have helped Jeff. 417 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: The jury went in to deliberate, and they came back 418 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 2: nine and half hours or so later with the guilty verdict. 419 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: They were seeking the death penalty on me, and the 420 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 2: report from the judges said that one thing that saved 421 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 2: me from the death penalty is that I actually come 422 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: back to be questioned because I knew I was innocent. 423 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,880 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't have nothing to hide. 424 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 4: Yeah, he faced the death penalty, but I think the 425 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 4: recommendation was made by the jury life without the possibility 426 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 4: a probe. 427 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: So I was thankful that I didn't get the death penalty, 428 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 2: but I still got two licences running consecutively, and then 429 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,800 Speaker 2: six and two thirds to twenty two times for the 430 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 2: firearm charges, and then two eight to fifteen that were 431 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 2: running concurrent that was for the robberies. 432 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 1: So just in case you're immortal enough to live out 433 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: two entire life sentences, they could still hold you. 434 00:24:51,680 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. I thought that the justice system would work 435 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,480 Speaker 2: itself out. Maybe it's going to take five years to 436 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: get this undone. I never ever dreamt that I'd still 437 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 2: be fighting it after thirty seven years. I was always 438 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 2: told from older inmates, don't gamble, don't borrow anything, just 439 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: the simple things. Keep busy, don't get in other people's 440 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 2: business and stuff like that. So I kind of did 441 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 2: that my whole incarceration and I've done enough time where 442 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: people kind of respect you. Now. Some of them call 443 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,479 Speaker 2: me old timer because I am a little older than 444 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: I was when I came in. But I made myself 445 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: busy right away. I got into hobby. I'm I legal 446 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: aid here. I'd had to learn how to type, I 447 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: had to learn how to run the computers. I had 448 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 2: to do all that on my own. I didn't know 449 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,719 Speaker 2: none of that when I first came to him. So 450 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I just keep tugging away and never thought 451 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 2: that I would still be imprisoned after thirty seven years. 452 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: Especially since he got some great support from a private 453 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 1: investigator named Denny Whalen. Soon after his conviction. 454 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 2: Denny Whalen, a lady sent him a letter saying, hey, 455 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: you need to check this case out, and he talked 456 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 2: to her for several hours. Then he came in and 457 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 2: I went through the story with him, and then he left, 458 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 2: and then he came back a couple days later. And 459 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: it had me answer almost the same question to see 460 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 2: if I was lying or not. You know what I mean. 461 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 2: And one thing I will never forget Denny Whalen. He says, 462 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: I believe you're innocent. He says, I'm gonna do everything 463 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 2: in my power to get you out of there. He 464 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,200 Speaker 2: actually mortgaged his house a couple of times. I mean, 465 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 2: he was like a father to me. I believe Alan 466 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: Neeman came first. Denny Whalen went down and interviewed him, 467 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 2: and then he recanted. I want to say eighty nine. 468 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,439 Speaker 2: We found out about Melissa in nineteen ninety two. She 469 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 2: talked about Yellow Boy and stuff like that. 470 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: And she tells the same story that she told her 471 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,720 Speaker 1: classmates immediately after the murder, then to the police, only 472 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 1: to have a December nineteen eighty eight police report claim 473 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: that she had made it all up before being sent 474 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: off to some juvenile placement in Colorado. And remember, her 475 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: original account critically was corroborated by Sharon Condon's bleeding pattern, 476 00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: as well as the neighbors who heard her knocking on 477 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 1: the door at three am. She also added that she 478 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: knew Jeff she heard three male voices that night and 479 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,959 Speaker 1: that he was not one of them. So they filed 480 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: a motion for a new trial based on the new 481 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: evidence and a Brady violation in the form of Melissa Martinez. 482 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: But again, Melissa Martinez never made it to the witness stand. 483 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 4: So they don't really get Melissa Martinez, but they get 484 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 4: a police report where she's scribbled this is true, this 485 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 4: is true, this is true, all of which tredicted the 486 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 4: sworn statement that she gave, the bulk of which is 487 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 4: statement she ended up going to her grave with. And 488 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 4: then basically Niemen's the same thing. They have a state 489 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 4: trooper sa I talked to him and he denied it all. 490 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 4: They don't bring Neemen back to testifying, mind you, and 491 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 4: they allow this guy to give the hearsay testimony that 492 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 4: he retracted his recantation. It's strange because Neiman said the 493 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 4: only person that actually came to visit him in prison 494 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 4: was Silverman. 495 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: Who, in all likelihood threatened him again with the murder charge, perjury, 496 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 1: the whole kitchen sinke, Yeah, you sure. 497 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: You want to face murder charges? 498 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 4: He signed something, but it's not a true affidavit, sworn affidavit. 499 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 3: But I was accepted. And how was that? 500 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: The court ruled that, in addition to the retractions, that Martinez's 501 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: account did not put her in a position to prove 502 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 1: Jeff's citizens, so the motion was denied. Then came an 503 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: ineffective council post conviction filing in nineteen ninety five, claiming 504 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: that councils should have investigated alternate suspects. 505 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 4: I don't raise oddly, during the first and effective claim 506 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 4: that he also represented this jailhouse snitch, which a second 507 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 4: year law student knows you can't do that. You can't 508 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 4: represent the jail house snitch testifying against your client. 509 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: By this time, Danny Whalen's son, Lawrence, was representing Jeff 510 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: pro Bono, who found additional exculpatory evidence surrounding the alleged 511 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 1: dying declaration that had been written on the floor in 512 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: Engine Greece. 513 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 4: They found that the door to Valdez's place had a 514 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 4: curtain rod and a curtain hanger, And as they're talking 515 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 4: about it, while they're filming it, as they're going through it, 516 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: they're saying, jeez, that looks like blood and grease on 517 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 4: the curtain hanger. Which if there was grease on it, 518 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 4: that's a pretty big deal, right, because how did Valdez 519 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 4: get all the way to the curtain Did he peek 520 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 4: out with the grease after and then lay down? It 521 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 4: doesn't make any sense that curtain disappeared. 522 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: And the post conviction motion was denied in two thousand 523 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,959 Speaker 1: and two, so the Whalen sought to expand their support 524 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: and begin DNA tech. 525 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever heard of Reuben Hurricane Carter. 526 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: So I got to speak to Ruben and Danny and 527 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: his son had went to Canada for them guys to 528 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: endorse the case and then win where she got ahold 529 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 2: of Colin starter from the IP and then they got 530 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 2: the DNA started on it. 531 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: The Innocent Project in New York was able to do 532 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 1: DNA testing on some of the crime scene evidence, including 533 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 1: a bloodstain near the door handle. 534 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 4: Right and on the door they find John yellow Boy's 535 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,840 Speaker 4: DNA blood DNA, and a judge makes finding that John 536 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 4: Yellow Boy was a frequent visitor at the residence and 537 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 4: that explains away his blood DNA on the door blood DNA. 538 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to give them a ten out 539 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: of ten for these intellectual gymnastics. I suppose they could 540 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: also argue that even if Yellow Boy was there, that 541 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily mean that Jeff was not. 542 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 4: Not according to Alan Neman, the theory of the case 543 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,760 Speaker 4: was Alan Neiman, and yellow Boy is not part of that, 544 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 4: and his blood on the door doesn't fit that narrative. 545 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 3: The narrative that was used to convict it all either way. 546 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: These preceding stretched from two thousand and five all the 547 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: way through twenty twelve, at which point Jeff's team began 548 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: tracking down a woman named Sheila Janis who had told 549 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: Melissa Martinez about her past with John Yellowboy, and the 550 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,479 Speaker 1: team finally found her in twenty seventeen. Apparently she had 551 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: disappeared after a horrific ongoing abduction scenario that began in 552 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: the immediate aftermath of the murders in nineteen eighty eight. 553 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 4: John Yellow Boy had beaten her severely and taken her 554 00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 4: to the house where the murder occurred, and she knew 555 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 4: it was the house because the floor was cut out, 556 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,560 Speaker 4: which is a detail that he probably wouldn't know. I mean, 557 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 4: they cut a section of the floor out where this 558 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 4: writing in Greece was, and the police picked the floor 559 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,760 Speaker 4: with him, and she recalls being in the house being 560 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 4: repeatedly raped while John Yellowboy Boy is talking to Sharon 561 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 4: and Richard saying things like why did you make me 562 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 4: do this? 563 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 3: Why? Why did you have to do this? You were mine? 564 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 4: Crazy weird things. Valdez was supposedly leaving town and had 565 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 4: sold most of his worldly possessions. As he was getting 566 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 4: ready to leave, he thought his life was in danger. 567 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 4: Told several people that. 568 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: And we'll get to why he may have been in 569 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: fear for his life. But this certainly sets up the 570 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: motive for Yellowboy. According to Janice, Yellowboy, referring to Sharon 571 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: his confession, also said, quote she thought she could get 572 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: away with that Mexican bastard end quote before Yellowboy continued 573 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: to beat Sheila nearly to death. In fact, it seems 574 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: like he thought that he had actually killed her. 575 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 4: Yellow Boy, he's looking for sheilav after finding out that 576 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 4: she had survived. Sheila shows up. 577 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 3: At another woman's house. Sandra stands. She's called the police. 578 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 4: Sandra gave an affidavit when we found her that Sheila 579 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 4: showed up. 580 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 3: I called the police. 581 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 4: Took her to the bathroom, and while she was helping 582 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 4: Sheila clean up, she was startled by John Yellow Boy, 583 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,360 Speaker 4: who simply appeared behind me over my shoulder. 584 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: There's those Michael Myers vibes. 585 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 4: She's startled by him being there, and what the hell 586 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 4: are you doing in my house? She pushed him out 587 00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 4: the bathroom door and shut it. The police arrived, She 588 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 4: answered the door, and the police said where is he? 589 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 4: She was too afraid to say anything, but was able 590 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 4: to move and adjust her eyes in one direction, like 591 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 4: he's right here, And they busted in and they grabbed him, but. 592 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 3: Didn't get arrested. 593 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 4: What so, I think you need to understand some of 594 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 4: the baseline racism that exists in Scott's Bluff County. And 595 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 4: it's not the typical racism that I grew up in Waterloo, Iowa. 596 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 4: It's not while you're blacked, I should be afraid of 597 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 4: you and distrustful of you. It's racism against the Native 598 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 4: American community and that race. The system was not of 599 00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 4: you're a bad person, it's you're not even a person. 600 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 4: So these people would be victims of crime, and probably 601 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 4: because there was an issue at times and getting those 602 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 4: people to show up to actually prosecute crimes, the police 603 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 4: never arrested. 604 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 3: Anybody in those situations. 605 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 4: They just say, well, if you want to press chargers 606 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 4: to go to the county attorney's office. It's kind of 607 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 4: a test to say are you going to pursue this 608 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 4: thing or not. 609 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,959 Speaker 3: But it also sent the message that we don't really care. 610 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: So John Yellowboy was free to assault Shila he regularly kidnapped, raped, 611 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: and beat her, and he did so continuously for months 612 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 1: until his arrest for a rape in Colorado. And it 613 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,720 Speaker 1: turned out that while Yellow Boy had kidnapped s Sheila 614 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 1: to Colorado, they stayed with none other than Melissa Martinez, 615 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,400 Speaker 1: both of whom Yellow Boy claimed ownership over. They shared 616 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: their experiences, Melissa's ear witness account of Sharon's murder, yellow 617 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: Boy's confession to Shila, and the ongoing of duction and 618 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,920 Speaker 1: sexual torture, and Sheila claims that he kept her compliant 619 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: by making threats. 620 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 4: John Yellowboy said, I'm going to kill your mother. I'm 621 00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 4: going to kill anybody that's related to you if you 622 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 4: talk about this or mention me or anything. And lo 623 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 4: and behold, Sheila's mother's found dead and they said it's 624 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 4: an accidental drowning in a foot half of water. 625 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,400 Speaker 1: This is when she fled to her sisters out. 626 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 4: Of state, and then he pretty much snatched her back in. 627 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 4: She was present when he committed the rape in Colorado, 628 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 4: and that's how she got away. 629 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: So Sheila basically disappeared until the team found her in 630 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. And even though Yellow Boy seemed capable of 631 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 1: killing Richard too. There are so many inexplicable elements of 632 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:47,200 Speaker 1: this crime scene that suggests that Richard was murdered somewhere else. 633 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: The discrepancy with how much blood Richard actually spilled it, 634 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: the scene that according to Melissa Martinez, Richard's body was 635 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,200 Speaker 1: not there when she left. That according to Eddie Johnson, 636 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: the pathologist and his post more to wounds, that his 637 00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: body and dying declaration appear to have been staged. So 638 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,759 Speaker 1: maybe after Sharon was killed, the body was discovered, and 639 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: his business partners thought it was prudent to tie up 640 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: the loose end before Richard got a chance to leave town. 641 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 4: The police chief of Gearing, which is a city that's 642 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:24,240 Speaker 4: basically connected to Scott's Bluff. They're almost like small twin cities. 643 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 4: Okay went to the FBI with his suspicions that Brian 644 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,360 Speaker 4: Silverman was behind a large cocaine distribution network in the 645 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 4: Scott's Bluff area. Brian Silverman was the guy who prosecuted Jeff. 646 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: Bo Prix, and we're not suggesting that Silverman was responsible, 647 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: but a potential proximity to power for the cocaine operation 648 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 1: in Scott's Bluff can make sense of how the investigation 649 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:53,360 Speaker 1: and prosecution ignored the evidence suggesting separate murder scenes, staging, 650 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 1: and potentially other culprits, as well as how quickly Melissa 651 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: Martinez was reassigned to juvenile placement, out of state and 652 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,839 Speaker 1: out of reach when her statement threatened to impeach the 653 00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: entire narrative. 654 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 2: We got another affidavit from Melissa in twenty seventeen. She 655 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 2: said she was just heartbroken that I was still locked 656 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 2: up for Valdez in Condon's murders when she knows that 657 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:20,839 Speaker 2: I didn't do it. 658 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: So with a more full account from Melissa Martinez, Sheila 659 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: Janis's story, the evidence of a separate crime scene, founded 660 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: Detective Marino's files, the potential shady dealings of the district attorney, 661 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,799 Speaker 1: as well as new expert testimony about how at least 662 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: two of the wounds were inflicted post mortem and that 663 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 1: according to the autopsy, there's no chance that Richard Valdez 664 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: had anything to do with writing on the wall or door, 665 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,759 Speaker 1: which is supported by the way by Eddie Johnson. They 666 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: went ahead and filed a new post conviction motion and 667 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: emotion for a new trial back in twenty eighteen. 668 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 4: To me, the biggest part of it was there's all 669 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,840 Speaker 4: these things that had been litigated in bits and pieces 670 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 4: leading up to it, but when you put the full 671 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 4: picture together, it's like there's a lot here. But we 672 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 4: never got an evidentiary hearing, so our motion for new 673 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 4: trial was denied. Nebraska Supreme Court denied an appeal of 674 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 4: that and a rather scathing opinion that why would you 675 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 4: write all this stuff? 676 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,800 Speaker 3: Basically it was too much stuff. 677 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,040 Speaker 4: And then we got a post conviction pending too that 678 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,800 Speaker 4: got thrown out. We tried to amend that's on appeal 679 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,840 Speaker 4: right now, the amendment whether we should have been allowed 680 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 4: to amend our post conviction relief that post later filed. 681 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 4: We may end up having to do a federal habeas 682 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:39,319 Speaker 4: or something like that. 683 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: And there's a lot more evidence and mystery still to 684 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: unfold in this case, including blonde hairs from crime scene 685 00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 1: evidence that have never been tested. So we hope for 686 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,479 Speaker 1: the best in future proceedings. In the meantime, if you'd 687 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: like to show your support for Jet's release, please take 688 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: a moment stop what you're doing right now, scroll down 689 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: on your listening app to the link in our episode 690 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: description and click on the link to sign the petition, 691 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: and with that we're going to go to closing arguments. 692 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,879 Speaker 1: My favorite part of the show is everyone knows where. 693 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,279 Speaker 1: First of all, I thank both of you guys for 694 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,200 Speaker 1: being here and sharing, honestly, one of the craziest and 695 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,359 Speaker 1: most terrifying stories I've ever heard in my thirty two 696 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: years of doing this work. And now I'm going to 697 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: kick back in my chair, turn my microphone off, and 698 00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:25,040 Speaker 1: leave my headphones on, and just listen to anything else 699 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,839 Speaker 1: you want to share. Tom, you start off and then 700 00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: hand the microphone off to Jeff and he'll take us 701 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:32,880 Speaker 1: off into the sunset. 702 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:36,279 Speaker 4: I mean, I just Jeff has been concerned that he 703 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 4: sits out there and nobody knows his plight. 704 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 3: So this kind of light. 705 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 4: Being shown on it is the kind of thing that 706 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 4: I think Jeff feels is important and is the kind 707 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,560 Speaker 4: of thing that may eventually bring some pressure to bear 708 00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 4: on somebody to take a good, close, hard look at 709 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 4: his case. 710 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 2: I would like to say, of an innocent man that's 711 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,360 Speaker 2: been in prison for thirty seven years, I would ask 712 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,640 Speaker 2: everybody to come forward and sign this petition so that 713 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 2: we can move this case forward and Jessica can finally 714 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: prevail and finally give me a release. Thirty seven years 715 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: is a long time, but I've never given up and 716 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 2: with all the help of friends, families, lawyers that have 717 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 2: donated their time and their money for this case, I 718 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 2: think it's time that we get an end to it. 719 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 2: And I would like to say thank you all for 720 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 2: being part of this and giving me the hope that 721 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 2: I need to make it through another day. 722 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Wrongful Conviction. 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