1 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory. 2 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes alongside Lance Lynn High Lance. As you know, 3 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: before we start, we ask people who enjoy Cardinal Territory 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: please subscribe. See here's the thing we wanted to grow, 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: and we bleue past five. 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: Thousand and six thousand. 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: Now we want to get the seven thousand subscribers to 8 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:35,279 Speaker 1: go ahead and hit that button if you enjoy Cardinal 9 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: Territory all right. Over the weekend, the Cardinals announced that 10 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: Ali Mormal is getting a two year extension with a 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: club option for twenty twenty nine. Olli is a smiling, 12 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: handsome guy, usually with his hat backwards, and he's in. 13 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: His fourth year managing the Cardinals. 14 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: So a lot of people had called it a reset, Lance, 15 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: you were one of the first guys to call it 16 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: what it is, a rebuild. So you have a young 17 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: team and a young manager who's tasked with developing that 18 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: young talent you've you've played for Ali, it seems like 19 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: it's the right thing to do. 20 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: Your thoughts, Yeah, no, I think that when you look 21 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: at what they're doing. They've had dialogue for the last 22 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 3: two years. Why why mister Bloom was kind of going 23 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: through the minor leagues to see the things that they 24 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: needed to revamp. So I think that with that dialogue 25 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 3: what they're doing. Ali's background as a minor league manager, 26 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 3: as a guy who ran the spring training complex for 27 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 3: years as he was, you know, ascending through the organization 28 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 3: as a manager, and then you know, first base coach, 29 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: bench coach too. He's you know, he said, every spot, 30 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 3: he knows what's expected. He knows, you know, a lot 31 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 3: of these new things that they're bringing in. He knows 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 3: some of the old ways that have worked. So he's 33 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 3: gonna be able to mesh all those together while also 34 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: putting together a team that you're trying to build for 35 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 3: the future. So he's going to have a good opportunity now, 36 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 3: in my opinion, to really put his you know, footprint 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: on this team, his stamp on the organization, because when 38 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,920 Speaker 3: he first came up as a manager, it was a 39 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: win now type of mode. Now he gets to kind 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: of go back to his roots a little bit and 41 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: then re revamp what the Cardinals are all about here 42 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 3: moving forward in the you know, in the hind Bloom 43 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: area and and where the Cardinals are going to go 44 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 3: in the future with some of their updating through the 45 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 3: minor leagues of you know, all the things that they've 46 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 3: incorporated with, you know, trying to get up to date. 47 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 3: I guess, so it's going to be a good fit. 48 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,520 Speaker 3: I think. I also think it gives him the clout 49 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: that he needs in the clubhouse. There's nothing worse than 50 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 3: having a manager that you know, might be at the 51 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: end of his contract on a hot seat while you're 52 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 3: going through rebuild. You know, some of these young kids 53 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 3: might you know, be like, oh, well, I don't know 54 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 3: if he's gonna be my manager. That's off the tape. 55 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 3: So now it's you know him and I'm can go together, 56 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: you know, hand in hand and go see this thing through. 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: And I think that's, you know, very good for both 58 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: sides or all sides here. 59 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: He didn't just get the extension with a club option bill. 60 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: Do what Junior said at the news comeras in Florida, 61 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: we want people to know that Ali is our manager 62 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: long term. As you point out, if you're a lane 63 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: duck manager, don't make the job easier. 64 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 3: For you in the club house, right, No, especially with 65 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 3: a young team and a rebuild. Right if you have 66 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: a lame duck manager, if things get a little you know, 67 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: tight throughout the year, a kid's not playing the way 68 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 3: he wants to or this or that, and you're asking 69 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 3: him to do something he might be uncomfortable with. But 70 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 3: that's also the learning process. You could get some backlash if, 71 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 3: you know, if things start going bad. But when you 72 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: know all these you know on board and signed up 73 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: for the next three years with an option, that's a 74 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: huge weight off of his back. But it's also gives 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 3: him the clout that he needs to go do his 76 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 3: job at the at the best. You know that he 77 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: can do it, and then you know, bring these guys 78 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 3: along and he's going to be able to hold him accountable. 79 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: You know, it's not it's not easy to hold you know, 80 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 3: with they're grown men because they're all over you know, 81 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: twenty one to you know, twenty five years old. But 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: it's it's hard to hold him accountable and they don't 83 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 3: know if you're going to be there for a long time. 84 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: Now that's gonna you know, that's not the case. Now 85 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: all he's got the extension. Now you can hold him accountable. 86 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: He can push through and as an organization they can 87 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 3: go forward and know what to expect and and he's 88 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: going to be able to hold those kids accountable. And 89 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 3: that's that's huge for what you're trying to do. 90 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: So I've been around Ali for a little while. He 91 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: strikes me as a guy who is brutally honest. Like 92 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: I know, the players like him will play for him 93 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: and respect him, But he can also be brutally honest, 94 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: like he'll tell me, that's an awful question. You're a 95 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: horrible reporter, tough but fair, right, I'm just curious you 96 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 1: played for the guy. Give me an honest assessment behind this. 97 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: What it's like playing for Ali Marl. 98 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: I think it's the best of all worlds. Really, you know, 99 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: like I said, he holds you accountable. He tells you 100 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 3: what he expects from you, what you're doing right. He 101 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 3: pats you on your butt and tells you you're doing 102 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 3: the job you need to do. And he also, you know, 103 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: make sure he knows you know what you're what's expected 104 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: of you, what you're supposed to be doing day to day. 105 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 3: When you do something wrong, he corrects it, you know. 106 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 3: But he also has your back on the field. He's 107 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 3: not afraid to get thrown out and get an umpire's face, 108 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: you know. But all of it all all. He likes 109 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 3: to win, man, he likes to compete, and he likes 110 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,240 Speaker 3: everyone to show up every day do their job, and 111 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 3: then when they're not doing their job, he wants to 112 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 3: correct it. And when they are doing their job, you know, 113 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 3: they get the pat on the butt they need. So 114 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: he's got everything covered. And he's a good communicator. He's young, 115 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: you know, he's good. He's able to relate with everybody 116 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 3: on a you know, all kinds of different levels and 117 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 3: that's a huge part of a clubhouse and being able 118 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 3: to keep it, keep it going right. You have you know, 119 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 3: twenty six guys from different parts of the country, of 120 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 3: the world at all times, and he's able to speak 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 3: I say, all those languages. But it's a different type 122 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 3: of you know, each kid or each person you know, 123 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:11,839 Speaker 3: has a different way that they go about in different 124 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 3: you know, terminologies that work for him, and he's able 125 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 3: to understand each person the way they work and how 126 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: to you know, really relate to them so he can 127 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 3: get points across and also you know, push them in 128 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,400 Speaker 3: the right direction. Some of these young kids don't like it, 129 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 3: but you look at his and like, say, Mason's their 130 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 3: way that they've grown their relationship over time, and you know, 131 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 3: he's made Mason earned things, which you have to earn 132 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 3: things in the major leagues. But now he's giving Mason 133 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: the right to take over and do some things in 134 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 3: a leadership role because Mason has done those things and 135 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: you don't always like him, but it also makes you 136 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: a better player and a better teammate, a better person 137 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 3: for it as you're growing through those things. So he's 138 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 3: got that ability to help players, you know, evolve in 139 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: that in that category. 140 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: In fairness, in a sense, there was a little headbutting 141 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: between Mason, who is a leader in that clubs of ours, 142 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: in Ali, but as you point out, they're on the 143 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: same page now and it's almost like they're one, which 144 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: tells you both guys adapt. 145 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 2: It's a good thing to see. 146 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: But I will say that you, Matt Holliday, Kyle Gibson 147 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: have all sort of been critiquing the fact that maybe 148 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: the Cardinals lack in veteran leadership outside the young guys 149 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: or leaders. So does that make Ali's job harder easier? 150 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: How what impact does that have on Ali being able 151 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 1: to reach the team? 152 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 3: Well, I think that that's what your coaching stats for too, 153 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,679 Speaker 3: when you have guys like Daniel Descazo, John J. W. Clap, 154 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 3: you know, uh, you know, Pop Warner, You've got You've 155 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: got the guys that have done a lot of different 156 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 3: things in this game and have worked in a lot 157 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 3: of different ways. So I think this year is going 158 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: to put a lot of emphasis on those coaches being 159 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 3: being doing a good job of being able to communicate 160 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: with players and show them of the way. But then 161 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 3: you have to let those players naturally take over the 162 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 3: clubhouse on their own. You can't force the clubhouse a 163 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 3: certain way. You got to give them the ability, give 164 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 3: them the uh, you know, the instruction to make them 165 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 3: the best they can be. But they have to be 166 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 3: able to go prove it in that clubhouse day in 167 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 3: and day out. So they've got a lot of coaches 168 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: they can bounce stuff on, you know, the manager of 169 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 3: the coaching staff. The organization is gonna you know, they 170 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: have their their guidelines that they you know, they expect, 171 00:08:28,080 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 3: you know, a certain professionalism. And then as long as 172 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,120 Speaker 3: the manager holds those accountable, and then the clubhouse learns 173 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: the police itself, I think it can. I mean, I 174 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 3: think it'll be fine. Those are those things that kind 175 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: of come and go as the season goes on. But 176 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,640 Speaker 3: you have a you have a good group in there, 177 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 3: a good young group. We have Lars, you have Mason, 178 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 3: you have Burley. Those guys are are really good workers, 179 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 3: but they also like to win. So when you have 180 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 3: both of those kind of you know, personalities inside you, 181 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: it makes for a good uh the ability to be 182 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: good leaders. They're not hey, do what I tell you, 183 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 3: but I'm not going to do what I'm preaching. These 184 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 3: guys are working every day. They want to be the best, 185 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 3: and they're not afraid to you know, expect that from 186 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 3: other people around you either, when even when they're young 187 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: at age. So I think they'll be all right. They've 188 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 3: been around to for a couple of years now, so 189 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 3: it's not like they're coming up trying to take over 190 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: a clubhouse with you know, no service time. These guys 191 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 3: have proven some things and proven they belong and they've 192 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,719 Speaker 3: also are you know, they got good character behind them. 193 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: So I think all in all, it should be should 194 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: be all right in the clubhouse. 195 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: So I tend to be optimistic about things, like I 196 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: think this team might be all right. I'm not saying 197 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 1: that they're going to win the division or anything like that. 198 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 1: But I think they could provide some entertainment for the fans. 199 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: But obviously a young team that has to develop on 200 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:51,760 Speaker 1: the fly. So my question is, and you've been on 201 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: teams that have struggled mightily, how difficult is it for 202 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,239 Speaker 1: a manager, say, even when when you're with the team, 203 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: it's going to to get a lot of wiggle room 204 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: because it's a young team. But if things hit the 205 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: fan and there's a really bad stretch, which is bound 206 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: to happen at some point, how difficult is it for 207 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: a manager to help his team understand that this is 208 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 1: part of their development and they got to keep moving forward. 209 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think the main thing is you've got 210 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 3: to have a process day in and day out to 211 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: make sure you know or the guys know what's expected. 212 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: You know, day in and day out, here's how we're 213 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 3: going to prepare for this picture as pitchers, here's how 214 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: we're going to prepare for our starts as relievers. Here's 215 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 3: what we're expecting. And you just preach the process and 216 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 3: keep doing it over the course of a year, things happen. 217 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 3: But if everybody kind of holds down and kind of 218 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: knocks down, what they need to do day in and 219 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 3: day out. Those processes will help those downtimes. But like 220 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 3: you said, there's going to be some ups and downs 221 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 3: this year, and that comes with good teams too. You 222 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 3: go through skids throughout the seasons. But they're creating a 223 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: new identity out of how to play the game in 224 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 3: Saint Louis with you know, with what's been taken over. 225 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 3: So now it's just make sure you stay in those processes. 226 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: If you do have a downside, like the manager of 227 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: the front office, the coaching staff can't just flip it 228 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 3: just because you know they panic. It's like, hey, here's 229 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 3: what we see is going to be successful. Here's how 230 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: you're going to be successful individually, and here's how we're 231 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 3: going to be successful as a team. It's just going 232 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 3: to take time to build that thing, and you've got 233 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: to get your reps at the major league level. But 234 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 3: if you keep preaching what you are, what you preach, 235 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 3: and do what you say every day, those things will 236 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: take care of themselves as long as people don't start 237 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 3: flipping and pointing fingers, and I don't think they will. 238 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 3: I think they're they're lined up coaching staff all the 239 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 3: way to the top of that organization. Now it's just hey, 240 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 3: which players are going to buy in? And the ones 241 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 3: that don't buy in are going to be the ones 242 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 3: that are pushed out the door when it comes time 243 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 3: to go for the winner. Right, So these young kids 244 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: got to buy in or you're going to find yourself 245 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: in another organization because they have a plan, and if 246 00:11:57,960 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: you want to be a part of that plan, you 247 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 3: better you better get on board with what they're preaching, 248 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: or you'll find yourself in an organization. It's not always 249 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 3: greener on the other side. 250 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're going to be watching everything. Everything about this 251 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: year's team is going to be under a microscope. 252 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: You know. I think it. 253 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: Wasn't too long ago that we saw an infusion of 254 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: young general managers now president of baseball ops wearing their 255 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: quarterzips right and being more. 256 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: In touch with the analytics side. 257 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: Now we're seeing managers like Ali, young guy no major 258 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: league experience, plenty of baseball experience in the minor leagues 259 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: and has done everything pretty much with the organization. But 260 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: I'm wondering how there's still some old school thinkers who 261 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: would not accept a manager who didn't have major league experience. 262 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: Because we're seeing more of that around baseball. 263 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think nowadays, you know, there's probably 264 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 3: over half the managers in the league. And I didn't 265 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 3: play in the major leagues, but when you have a 266 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 3: like Ali, I mean Ali got all got up to 267 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 3: double A as a player. He was a what fifth 268 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 3: or sixth round draft pick, so he's been in a box, 269 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 3: he's been on the field, he's had cleats on. So 270 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 3: that does go a long way with certain things. But nowadays, 271 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: with every you know, there's so many different ways to uh, 272 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: you know, get the things you need to get across 273 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 3: as a as a player or as a manager. To players, 274 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 3: you don't really it doesn't really matter anymore. I think 275 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 3: back in the day, it was like, hey, you're not 276 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 3: gonna tell me what to do because you've never done it. Nowadays, 277 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: these guys are taught at a young age. A lot 278 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 3: of the players coming up are taught from people that 279 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 3: never played. A lot of the you know, the sabermetrics 280 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 3: and a lot of the you know, learning how to 281 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: do pitch mixes and stuff like that, or are people 282 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 3: that are are figuring things out that more more science 283 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 3: and stuff like that, and they're teaching guys that are 284 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 3: athletic how to do it. So I think a lot 285 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 3: of that stuff's more welcomed because it's a different way 286 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 3: of looking at it. And you still need the guys 287 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 3: that played a little bit too, because there's a different 288 00:13:58,320 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 3: there's a different way that you have to deal with, 289 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,199 Speaker 3: you know, failure in this game. And when you've when 290 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: you failed a little bit playing the game at any 291 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 3: level you can, you can relate with players and they 292 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: like that too. So you just got to have that 293 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 3: fine line. Right when a guy's never played and tells 294 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: you how easy it is, that's the guy that pisses 295 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 3: you off, so that that's the one that is the 296 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 3: tough one. But on everything that I've been a part of, 297 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 3: I've not had any of those instances where it's like, hey, 298 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: this game's easy if you just do it this way, 299 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: and you're like hey, man, like you don't know how 300 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 3: hard this game is because you never played it. They've 301 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 3: done a good job of saying, hey, here's ways that 302 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: we think this can help you individually be the best 303 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: player you can be, and now tell me how you 304 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 3: can incorporate that game and let us help each other 305 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: together and sand instead of being like hey, you're gonna 306 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 3: do this and like it. That's where you get like 307 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 3: kind of the backlash. You're like, hey, man, you don't 308 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 3: even you've never done that, so you don't understand what 309 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: I'm going through. It's not as easy as the computer 310 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 3: or the you know whatever, the thing that you you know, 311 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 3: cook this up on says it is. So there's a 312 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 3: fine line there. But I think a lot of people 313 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 3: are more getting information and giving it to players to 314 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 3: see how they can incorporate it in their game. And 315 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 3: that's the that's kind of the change that's been good 316 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 3: for these players. Now it's hey, I've done all this, 317 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: but now how am I going to compete with it? 318 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 3: That's for the next space for these young kids. 319 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 1: So you mentioned earlier Ali has his players back, and 320 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: I agree with that one hundred percent. But I'm just wondering. 321 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: I don't have the stats in front of me. But 322 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: Ali gets thrown out of games a lot. What does 323 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: that mean to players? Because he's not like if you're 324 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: ever near the dugout and hear the stuff he's yelling 325 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 1: at the umpires, it's pretty harsh. What does that mean 326 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: to players when the manager isn't trying to be polite 327 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: or politically correct and tells it like it is and 328 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: we'll get tossed if he needs to get tossed. What 329 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: does that mean for you guys? 330 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: Well, I think the main thing is you feel like 331 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 3: they care. You know, I'm not saying that managers that 332 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 3: don't get thrown out and don't care, but there's a 333 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 3: sense of fireman like, Hey, this means something to him. 334 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: He's in it with us. He's not to sit here 335 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 3: and let us get screwed over or anybody push us around. 336 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 3: He's gonna get in there and he's gonna he's gonna 337 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 3: fight for us if somebody's chirping on the other team 338 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 3: or something like that. He's not afraid to stand up 339 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,000 Speaker 3: for his player. If the umpire he feels like the 340 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 3: umpire's giving you a raw deal, he's gonna make sure 341 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: that umpire knows that we think it we're getting a 342 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 3: raw deal. So you say some of his stuff's harsh, 343 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 3: I think that's just good old fashioned banter day to day. 344 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: None none of it ever hurt my feelings or made 345 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: my ears perk up a little bit. It was just, 346 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: you know, just basic talk the way I see it. 347 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: But other people think differently, But you know that comes 348 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: with me too. Some of the things I say might 349 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: be harsh, but I just call that basic, you know, 350 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: communication on my level. Yeah, you guys are both harsh 351 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 3: when talking to me, and I really appreciate that you're 352 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: both in agreement on that. Oh, now the truth is harvish. 353 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: That's the way we live in now. God, participation trophies everywhere. 354 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: Listen. I just try to just keep it real. Just 355 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 2: try to keep it real. 356 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: I think you're going to be a coach someday, so 357 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the coach. 358 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 2: Has had on you manager's head. Give me two. 359 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: Things that lance Lynn has questions he needs answers to 360 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 1: as soon as possible about this year's Cardinals club. 361 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: I think the main things. One of the main things, 362 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 3: offensively is going to be, Hey, what's our identity going 363 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 3: to be? I think this group you can't sit here 364 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: and say, hey, we need a thirty home run guy 365 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 3: or anything like that. You've got a group of people that, hey, 366 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 3: let's figure out how to hit. Hit our doubles, hit 367 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 3: the ball in the gap. We got, we've got young talent. 368 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 3: Let's figure out how to run. Let's not strikeout. Let's 369 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 3: put pressure on defenses. The next thing, you know, we've 370 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 3: got five or six guys that have hit twenty. Now 371 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 3: we've got a good you know, a good team. We've 372 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 3: got guys on base, taking their walks, taking the extra bags, 373 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 3: stealing bases. So I think this group is athletically gifted 374 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 3: in a sense where they can do that, where we 375 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: can have, you know, multiple twenty home run guys, multiple 376 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 3: guys that are hit a lot of doubles, you know, 377 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: stretch those, you know, you reach of those doubles. Next 378 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 3: thing you know, you know, you find yourself score more runs. 379 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 3: You're putting pressures on pressure on people. So that's going 380 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:09,440 Speaker 3: to be one of the main things with this young 381 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 3: offensive group. They're very talented, they really are. I think 382 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 3: it's one of those things where they've gotten themselves in 383 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: trouble in the past trying to hit home runs. So 384 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 3: let's become baseball players knowing that, hey, we don't need 385 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,639 Speaker 3: to hit thirty if we can hit twenty, and next 386 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,560 Speaker 3: thing you know, we're not hitting two twenty, we're hitting 387 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,880 Speaker 3: two fifty, two sixty. The game will the game will 388 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: be better for everybody in the group. You just kind 389 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 3: of pass it to the next guy. I like that. 390 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,119 Speaker 3: And then defensively, I think they got a chance to 391 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 3: be really good with especially with Mason up the middle 392 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 3: and doing their things and Victor the way he can 393 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 3: run down balls in the outfield. It should be a 394 00:18:44,200 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: pitcher's dream in a sense where they're young, they're talented, 395 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: and they're hungry to make plays, and our pitching staff it's, hey, 396 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 3: don't be afraid of the strike zone. We got to 397 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: figure out how we're going to get outs in the 398 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 3: strike zone, and you got to figure out how you 399 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 3: can get ahead of hitters and then put them away 400 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 3: when you need to. But we're not you know, we're 401 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 3: not We're not walking people, we're not giving them free 402 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 3: base runners. We're gonna pinch pitch with intensity, We're gonna 403 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 3: pitch with purpose, and we're not just you know, we're 404 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: we've got our stuff, but we're we have got a 405 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 3: purpose behind every pitch and how we're going to use 406 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: our stuff. And every day, you know, if you're good 407 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: or bad, you're saying, hey, here's what we here's what 408 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 3: we learn today, here's our purpose behind each play, each 409 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 3: at bat, each pitch, and hey, sometimes sometimes it's going 410 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: to go our way. Sometimes it's not. But as long 411 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 3: as we have a purpose and we're not up there 412 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 3: free swinging or just throwing the ball towards home plate 413 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 3: or scared to throw the ball over the plate, then 414 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: then you're gonna be all right, because that's when you're 415 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 3: gonna look up at the end of the year, and 416 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: the team's gonna grow a lot, and you're gonna be 417 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 3: winning games at the end because these guys are starting 418 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 3: to figure out how to play together as a team 419 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 3: and not be scared to succeed by going after people. 420 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 2: Come me in. I like the plan. 421 00:19:46,760 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Now, if you like Cardinal Territory, I'm assuming if you're watching, 422 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: you do, and why not treat yourself to some gear 423 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: Cardinal Territory merchandise. You can get it a Cardinal Territory 424 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,919 Speaker 1: shop dot com. We got the hoodies, we got the 425 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: t shirts, the hats, all quality merch all the reasonable price. 426 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: If you like Cardinal Territory, go ahead and buy yourself 427 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: some gear. 428 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 2: Why not do it, all right? One of the guys 429 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:15,080 Speaker 2: that you talked. 430 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: About twenty homer guy at nineteen last year, Evon Herrera 431 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: two eighty four batting average, and I wanted to talk 432 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,439 Speaker 1: about him because he's now playing in games doing a 433 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: little catching. 434 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 2: And I see through my social. 435 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: Media and my interactions with other folks around talent, they 436 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: think that this Horrera catching thing came out of nowhere. Well, 437 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 1: last year he mentioned to me that he wasn't catching 438 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: because his elbow was messed up. He needed cleanup surgery 439 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: and he was going to catch, and he had already 440 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: talked to ham Bloom about it. So this plan was 441 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:54,919 Speaker 1: in place last season. But now it does seem a 442 00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: little different, lance because you have a bunch of catching talent, 443 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: a lot of prospects. 444 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: That have emerged. 445 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 1: You know, three of them are catchers in the top 446 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 1: fifteen for the Cardinals top ten of prospects. You have 447 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,640 Speaker 1: Pie haz, he have Poso, you know Crouks is in there, 448 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: Rodriguez Burnal. My question is is it as necessary because 449 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: it's if your catcher hits, it's a plus. 450 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,680 Speaker 2: I get that, But is it as. 451 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: Necessary now based on where they have some talents dot Pile. 452 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 3: I would say no, But that also is great for everybody, Right, 453 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,719 Speaker 3: you want having to be in the lineup one hundred 454 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 3: and fifty times a year. If not, you know, if 455 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 3: you could get I mean that would be huge. I 456 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: think last year, not only with the elbow thing, but 457 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 3: his legs were bothering a little bit at times too. 458 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 3: So if you're looking at his bat with what happened 459 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 3: last year and all that he's hit nineteen home runs 460 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: and had his numbers they did, if you can mix 461 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,199 Speaker 3: in DH days now because of that, and you have 462 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: the catching depth that you need that you can trust now, 463 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: it saves both of them and gives them bats and 464 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 3: makes your lineup better on those lefty days too, because 465 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 3: that slides him to the DH role and then you 466 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 3: can use that right handed backup catcher. So from all accounts, 467 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 3: it looks like there's a good chance they're going to 468 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 3: carry three catchers. So my mind automatically goes to Herrera's 469 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 3: going to DH every time against lefties, and then they'll 470 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: go from there on other days. So if you're looking 471 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 3: up at the end of the year and he catches 472 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 3: eighty one games, let's say half the games in the year, 473 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: but he can but he can DH, you know, the 474 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 3: other ones, that's a huge win for the Cardinals. But 475 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 3: it's also a huge win because of their depth at 476 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 3: catching where they don't have to burn him out behind 477 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 3: the plate and take away from his offensive production. So 478 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 3: this could be a blessing for everything. And you're also 479 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 3: getting the guys the reps behind the plate that they need. 480 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 3: You're giving him enough time off of his you know, 481 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 3: off of his feet technically to hit and concentrate on that, 482 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 3: and then concentrate on his days that he needs to 483 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 3: catch to be able to do both. I think it 484 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,920 Speaker 3: could be a huge plus for the not only the 485 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 3: Cardinals as an all defensive group, but also those catchers 486 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 3: that are on the team also where everybody's getting enough 487 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: play to where you're not wasting a guy's time. So 488 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 3: it could be a really good fit for everybody. 489 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: I've seen Herrera kind of reinvent himself as an offensive player, 490 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: worked hard, and that was a bona fide offensive threat. 491 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: He's one of the guys they're going to count on 492 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: this year, and if he puts in that work to 493 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: better himself defensively, I think he'll be a fine defensive catcher. Well, 494 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: my question is, you're a veteran pitcher. You were, you know, 495 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 1: for many years in the league when you had a 496 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: young catcher behind the plate who was still maybe learning 497 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: on the fly. 498 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 3: How much of a challenge is that it's a challenge. 499 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 3: But nowadays with the pitch common stuff, you can call 500 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 3: your own pitches. So I had Ivan quite a few 501 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 3: times my last year, and he catches, he does everything 502 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 3: he can to block the ball, and he does you know, 503 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 3: he puts in the great effort behind the plate. He 504 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 3: was dealing with, you know, some mechanical throwing things that year, 505 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 3: which I think is kind of the regional for the 506 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: elbow cleanup. He wasn't able to get his range of 507 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 3: motion or get his slot where he wanted to because 508 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 3: he didn't have that range of motion. So you knew 509 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 3: that as a pitcher, you knew that you had to 510 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 3: hold the runners on a little different than that because 511 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 3: of because of what was going on with his arm then. 512 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,800 Speaker 3: But it's easier nowadays because of the being able to 513 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: call your own pitches. You don't have to worry about, Hey, 514 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 3: where's my young catcher at Is he taking his lass 515 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 3: at bat with him? Is he you know? Is he 516 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 3: is he calling this pitch because he's afraid that this 517 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: runner might steal and he needs a heater to have 518 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 3: a good jump to get that runner. You know, there's 519 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 3: all kinds of different things, but nowadays, with being able 520 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 3: to call your own pitches, that that kind of goes away, 521 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 3: and then you're able to communicate and be like, hey, 522 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 3: here's why I call this and this, so they can 523 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: kind of get an ideal what you're thinking too. And 524 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,919 Speaker 3: it also takes the It takes a lot off a 525 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 3: young catcher's plate when you have a veteran starter that 526 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 3: can call his own game. So I think for myself 527 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 3: and Gibe, we were good for him because he learned 528 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 3: a lot of things because he was able to kind 529 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: of just sit back there and be like, okay, and 530 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 3: then he thought along with us, and then he would 531 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 3: ask questions too when he was when we were in 532 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: the dugout and stuff like that, He's like, hey, well 533 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 3: I was thinking this and this, what are you thinking? 534 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 3: And I was like, I called this because I was 535 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,560 Speaker 3: thinking that, and he's like okay, And now I think 536 00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: it really helped him understand some thought processes instead of saying, hey, 537 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 3: here's the game plan, stick to it. Some of the 538 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: young catchers when you're when you have a veteran starter, 539 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 3: especially back when you didn't have PitchCom was like, hey, 540 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 3: I'm not doing that. I know that's a I know 541 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 3: that was the game plan. But here's what I got today, 542 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 3: and here's why I'm doing what I'm doing, and we 543 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 3: need to get You need to get on my page, 544 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 3: the page that was you know, printed out before the game. 545 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 3: You know that's that was a suggestion. Now we're up 546 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 3: here competing and we need to figure out how to 547 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:48,800 Speaker 3: get through this together. So Pitchcom's helped a lot. Well, 548 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 3: it's this isn't a shot at anyone. It's the last 549 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: thing before we uh we let you go. 550 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,479 Speaker 1: What is it ironic that it's just me and you 551 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: today and we started the show on time and we 552 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: haven't had. 553 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 2: Any technical difficulties. 554 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: Is it you think it's it's just something that happened magically. 555 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,919 Speaker 3: I think you always have people of that carry shows, 556 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,640 Speaker 3: and then you always people that bring them down. I'm 557 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: going to say that. 558 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: Lance, you are a delight Thank you for your time, 559 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: and that's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. 560 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,199 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time for the next episode, and 561 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,120 Speaker 1: hopefully that one won't suck.