Speaker 1: Hey everyone, I'm Anissa Ferreira and I'm Devin Simone and
Speaker 1: this is MTV's official Challenge podcast. Oh girl, this episode.
Speaker 1: I was hot last week and I'm hotter now. What
Speaker 1: is happening in this house? What's I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't even think they know clear. I think they are
Speaker 1: just throwing shit at the wall and see it what sticks.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just it was a lot going on.
Speaker 1: Everyone seemed to be in an uproar. How did you
Speaker 1: feel watching it back? Since you lived it? Are you
Speaker 1: matter now? I got? Yeah, I got. I got refrustrated.
Speaker 1: I know that's not a word. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: an actual thing, but I got frustrated. One will gan Okay.
Speaker 1: It's it just sends you back to those feelings of
Speaker 1: like what just what is happening in this game? Yea?
Speaker 1: And are these my friends? It makes you just question everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, do you right now? Are they your friends?
Speaker 1: Would you say? Um? I mean Michelle and I are
Speaker 1: cool and I will have love for her. I just
Speaker 1: feel like certain people like I don't think they will
Speaker 1: ever be able to like I can't say never, um,
Speaker 1: but working with them in the game, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If that would ever happen, I wouldn't go after them.
Speaker 1: I just don't see us aligning with one another because
Speaker 1: the trust is not there. But outside of it, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like I could hang out with Michelle down
Speaker 1: the shore, I could go shopping with her, we could
Speaker 1: go on a trip like I could see hen that way,
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, you just can't trust them or rely
Speaker 1: on them, especially when it comes to the game. For now, Yes,
Speaker 1: unless there's like a big turnaround and they both I mean, girl,
Speaker 1: how much turning can you do? I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: know when you just end up in a circle down, Yes, right,
Speaker 1: because that was a lot they made it was that
Speaker 1: was It was a lot. Now I will say, you know,
Speaker 1: the viewers are challenge listeners. I know for a long
Speaker 1: time some people really hate it when it feels like
Speaker 1: the VET are taking over the game or take over
Speaker 1: the house when things are just kind of as they are.
Speaker 1: I was talking to shout out to Joe, producer at
Speaker 1: the Sherry Shepherd's show, friend of mine, who loves the challenge.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this in the strategies from last
Speaker 1: week's episode, and arguably if we were to give props
Speaker 1: where they're due. Jay and Michelle did orchestrate one of
Speaker 1: the most interesting or dynamic eliminations where we have heavy
Speaker 1: hitter team. You know, we literally have two former Challenge
Speaker 1: winners on teams going against each other. We have you
Speaker 1: that's in a goat and an elimination, you know, Jack
Speaker 1: who just killed it an elimination last week, going against
Speaker 1: each other. I mean that, and to even get that done,
Speaker 1: they also included two other heavy hitter teams, including Bananas
Speaker 1: and not like they made the bets eat themselves this week,
Speaker 1: and they also yes, they also I mean made good TV.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take anything away. I think it was
Speaker 1: a phenomenal episode. Mm and I think that the episodes
Speaker 1: are just going to keep getting better because people are
Speaker 1: going to these decisions are going to keep getting harder
Speaker 1: every week. Right, there's no way that you're gonna tell
Speaker 1: me that, like potentially eight people are going to be
Speaker 1: in this final or ten or whatever. And we got
Speaker 1: to get rid of the majority of the house. You
Speaker 1: don't have to vote your friends in, right, you can't.
Speaker 1: You can't take them where it's okay, you know, that's
Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, we're playing the game. So and
Speaker 1: you're fun about it. Because here it's like there was
Speaker 1: a lot you can't not be up front because about it.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a point I feel where like they're
Speaker 1: only going to be one team safe or two teams,
Speaker 1: you know, two pairs safe. Just hope that your friends
Speaker 1: win at that point, yeah, because you ain't got there's
Speaker 1: no one to blame at that point, there's no fingers,
Speaker 1: like you gotta just know where you stand with people
Speaker 1: and say your prayers and journal absolutely and someone who
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if it's journaling would have
Speaker 1: helped or saying prayers would have helped in this one.
Speaker 1: But let's go to time out of the week and
Speaker 1: gold Star of the week. So I'm putting Jay Michelle
Speaker 1: in time out. We knew that. I think they need
Speaker 1: to go in a time out this time and just
Speaker 1: kind of like go back to the drawing board. I
Speaker 1: mean they needed to sit there, like sit sit with
Speaker 1: their feelings. I'd like them to sit there for an hour. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not a ten minute time out. I mean I need
Speaker 1: an adult time out in a in a big corner
Speaker 1: for them. Absolutely, who's your gold star of the week.
Speaker 1: I want to give a gold star for style points
Speaker 1: this week to Nellie. T Okay, he flipped his legs up.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what he was doing. I thought he
Speaker 1: was going to fall on the zip line. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: just turned into like a little acrobat. And um yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just been really proud of Nellie and his achievements
Speaker 1: this season so far. Breaking a fifty four daily's loss
Speaker 1: will do a lot, do a lot to you. Um,
Speaker 1: My time out of the week goes to Miss v.
Speaker 1: We see Veronica specifically telling Durrell it's not amigo. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's not amigo when amigos is definitely definitely
Speaker 1: one of the words. And see, this is that time
Speaker 1: when you can't always listen to your partner. At least
Speaker 1: she should have listened to Durell. Durell should not have
Speaker 1: listened to her. So my time out goes to Veronica.
Speaker 1: Love you but girl. That was just it was funny
Speaker 1: to watch, but especially because when they put it next
Speaker 1: to the scenes where everyone else is figuring out that
Speaker 1: amigo is the word, and then you have Brian it
Speaker 1: is not amigo, right, And then my gold Star of
Speaker 1: the Week for two different reasons goes to my man Jordan.
Speaker 1: It goes to Jordan for watching how he encouraged Jack
Speaker 1: even while competing against him, the way he hugged Laurel
Speaker 1: and gave her encouragement at the end, like he just
Speaker 1: watching Jordan's evolution in this game, and like an emotional
Speaker 1: intelligence capacity just over the seasons has been really beautiful
Speaker 1: to watch. Love that about Jordan for Jordan's but also
Speaker 1: he's not afraid to be petty because when he sat
Speaker 1: across from Jay. He gets a gold star for this too,
Speaker 1: and just lit Jay up. Was the silence for me before.
Speaker 1: I wish you would have seen like they were like,
Speaker 1: you gotta talk. I'm like, I'm not saying shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wish they would have absolutely not. I feel like
Speaker 1: they should just show that clip of you guys sitting
Speaker 1: in silence before before Jordan pops off, just eyeing each
Speaker 1: other back and forth. It was beautifully done. Yes yes
Speaker 1: to Jordan and saying that. And also can I say
Speaker 1: you in the FUSHA and your confessional look that thank
Speaker 1: you Si, and he said I love that on you.
Speaker 1: It looked Good's actually backwards because I didn't want all
Speaker 1: the girls to come out. But it's good to pep
Speaker 1: too much because it's it's showing the thing. It was good.
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, all right, thank you, yes, thank you.
Speaker 1: I just hate the green screen because it looks like
Speaker 1: I have a helmet. Sometimes I just wish they just
Speaker 1: let my curls be. They were popping in all their
Speaker 1: glory in that moment where great in the fusha someone
Speaker 1: else that looks great today, You guys won't get to
Speaker 1: see him, but but we got to see him while
Speaker 1: interviewing him. Our man Jack is here so excited. We
Speaker 1: wanted to have our girl Laurel. There's currently a hurricane happening,
Speaker 1: so we're praying for Laurel. Keep it, keep it good
Speaker 1: and safe, and say of you because we wanted, we
Speaker 1: were supposed to have her here. We love her. Since
Speaker 1: by the way, doctor Laurel, let me just come correct,
Speaker 1: doctor Laurel, doctor Stucky. Yes, but we have Jack here
Speaker 1: who is giving us so much cheat. So make sure
Speaker 1: you stay tuned. Go, get a snack, you know, start
Speaker 1: your jog, your walk, your ride to work, whatever it
Speaker 1: is that you're doing. Buckle up, because this is gonna
Speaker 1: be an interesting ride. You're gonna learn a lot and
Speaker 1: learn a lot about Laurel from people who really know
Speaker 1: her like a different side of Laura. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about it all right after we take this quick commercial break,
Speaker 1: so stay tuned. It's gonna be good. Here we are
Speaker 1: at our favorite time in the podcast where we get
Speaker 1: to interview one of the cast members from the Challenge.
Speaker 1: Rider Dies Today. It is my great honor and pleasure
Speaker 1: to have this breakout star Jack Matic. No, really, you
Speaker 1: were reading the girls for filth. Every interview, I mean
Speaker 1: nothing but suffers on my mind and it just comes out.
Speaker 1: I'm straightforward like and anything I would say there, I
Speaker 1: would say to your face. So it's I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just reality. I love I love that because a
Speaker 1: lot of people are not like that, and I think
Speaker 1: that the audience is receiving you so well. The girl
Speaker 1: with the pink hair. Yeah, how was doing your first Challenge? Jack?
Speaker 1: Did you have like what was it coming into this
Speaker 1: experience for you? You know, I had really no expectations,
Speaker 1: Like I Laura asked me if I wanted to do it.
Speaker 1: I watched as many seasons as I could to kind
Speaker 1: of like understand it. So I think I started at
Speaker 1: like Dirty thirty, went up from there, and then like
Speaker 1: watched the seasons that she was on to um. But
Speaker 1: even just like absorbing all of that in a short
Speaker 1: amount of time, it really you can't predict what's going
Speaker 1: to happen. So I stuck to my cardio training and
Speaker 1: stuck to like all different kinds of stuff. I knew mentally,
Speaker 1: I'm really smart, so I knew I could handle kind
Speaker 1: of anything thrown my way. And yeah, zero expectations, but
Speaker 1: I guess a lot of different outcomes. So basically, it
Speaker 1: sounds like you came in knowing you were going to
Speaker 1: read the girls for filth and that you were already
Speaker 1: in shape. That's that's what I'm getting from you, Jack,
Speaker 1: That's that's sort of kind of I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: plan to like read anybody, like when people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're always reading somebody, You're always this. So it's just
Speaker 1: like that you can't get read unless you're giving context.
Speaker 1: So like you gave me that to throw back at you.
Speaker 1: Your behavior was your behavior, and I said what I said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think that's like a problem. No. If you
Speaker 1: could see the lovely face he's making as he says that,
Speaker 1: by the way, with like such a smile, like such joy,
Speaker 1: charismatic smile. I love it and that makes sense, totally
Speaker 1: makes I think it's great when people just are authentically themselves,
Speaker 1: and I feel like there are, especially with coming into
Speaker 1: this challenge. It's it's intimidating, it's overwhelming. Um, people do
Speaker 1: put on the mask, they do put on a facade.
Speaker 1: They want the callback. They want like you are who
Speaker 1: you are twenty four seven. And my favorite moment is
Speaker 1: you in the gym, which we did spend a lot
Speaker 1: of time in our makeshift prison gym, Um, not the
Speaker 1: prison gym. Yeah, I mean it was it was like
Speaker 1: outside Jim yea with these like medieval like plates and
Speaker 1: we ran in circles in the yard. It was it
Speaker 1: was pretty brutal. But you waiting and asking Jay like
Speaker 1: so I think the cameras are waiting for this apology,
Speaker 1: like is it going to happen? Well, they were like
Speaker 1: Jay comes over, like obviously the cameras are going to follow.
Speaker 1: They're waiting for us to break the ice, start the discussion.
Speaker 1: And I'm like the balls in your court, buddy, like
Speaker 1: you need to come apologize to me. Like the camera
Speaker 1: zoomed in on you, like let's start the scene. Because
Speaker 1: and he had he not said anything to you after
Speaker 1: like after we see the last nation now, because clearly
Speaker 1: it's the next morning. Had he not even like broke
Speaker 1: the topic with you, or was yeah, what was happening? Oh, Jay?
Speaker 1: And I didn't speak when we got back into the house. Um,
Speaker 1: Laurel actually advised me not to talk. She said, let's
Speaker 1: not start because I wanted to go in and I
Speaker 1: want to start with them, and I wanted to like
Speaker 1: just be aggressive and just you know, be an asshole
Speaker 1: and you know show them like, you know, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 1: Laurel was like, let's not do that. Let's try to
Speaker 1: be nice. And I was like, where is this coming from? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not going to explode on them, and we're gonna keep
Speaker 1: it together. So I hadn't spoken to him till that morning,
Speaker 1: and I was like, all right, I'm gonna listen to
Speaker 1: my partner. I'm gonna keep it cute, try to like
Speaker 1: be funny a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, Laurel even surprised
Speaker 1: me in this episode. Yeah, she was very different in
Speaker 1: this episode. I feel like this is on this side.
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody needed to see if her. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, yeah, very honest. I mean there were the
Speaker 1: stone cold I mean stone, cold faces and exactly what
Speaker 1: everybody was of, like, why don't you just ask a question?
Speaker 1: Because we Jordan and I came into that interview that
Speaker 1: we were quiet too, and they were like, you guys
Speaker 1: are going to talk and we were like, no, we
Speaker 1: have nothing to say. And I think Jack and Laurel
Speaker 1: felt the same way. But it was it was crazy.
Speaker 1: It's not crazy to see, but it was nice to
Speaker 1: see Laurel be vulnerable. It was nice to see her
Speaker 1: open up about how she felt because I feel like
Speaker 1: we don't get to see that side of her. I
Speaker 1: think you being there helps too, to kind of like
Speaker 1: break her out of that. Do you feel like she
Speaker 1: came into the house this season, because obviously I had
Speaker 1: the pleasure of being a challenged with Laurel, and I
Speaker 1: always feel like we had moments where we would talk
Speaker 1: about stuff outside of the game and I got to
Speaker 1: see a peek at her like fun and humanistic side
Speaker 1: and feelings and all of that stuff. But also knew
Speaker 1: that when it comes to gameplay, Laurel is Laurel is
Speaker 1: a machine like period. She just is, which is why
Speaker 1: she's so talented. But it seemed almost like at this
Speaker 1: season as a viewer, she came in off the bat
Speaker 1: with a little bit more like this then before. So
Speaker 1: do you feel like what we see in this episode,
Speaker 1: do you feel like it was a progression like throughout
Speaker 1: that this season or did she come off the bat
Speaker 1: kind of you know, more vulnerable open? Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: Laurel is always just herself and she's always just you know,
Speaker 1: doing whatever it is that she wants to do, and
Speaker 1: acting however it is she wants to act, and she
Speaker 1: does in front like everything is always one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: It's always honest. But coming into this game, I mean,
Speaker 1: she graduated veterinary school like two weeks before, which is
Speaker 1: so cool. Doctor Laurel. Shout out to doctor Laurel. I
Speaker 1: love it to see her. You got to see her
Speaker 1: around animals too, she just falls apart. It's so great.
Speaker 1: Which thing gears like that is not easy and she
Speaker 1: still did. Yeah, that is two completely different things to
Speaker 1: go and do, and I don't think anybody else could
Speaker 1: pull something like that off. Another I agree, and actually
Speaker 1: another really good point. You have to be a very
Speaker 1: empathetic person to become a vet like that by design
Speaker 1: is what it is. So I think that's a testament
Speaker 1: to this whole other side of Laurel that people don't
Speaker 1: always get to see. I mean, she's dedicated to help
Speaker 1: me in her she is a very yeah, passionate, empathetic person,
Speaker 1: but she's not going to take no ship. And then
Speaker 1: when well, when she reacts to you know, people's behavior,
Speaker 1: they're like, so caught off Garden. I'm like, you're getting
Speaker 1: exactly what you deserve. Yeah, you know, I think a
Speaker 1: lot of people are comfortable disrespecting people, disrespecting women, and
Speaker 1: they don't expect them to react in the way that
Speaker 1: she does, and especially even other players in the game.
Speaker 1: And like men do that all the time, but they
Speaker 1: don't have like this reputation of being like this angry,
Speaker 1: snap back right person, but she does so to me,
Speaker 1: I don't see her that way at all. I think
Speaker 1: she responds correctly to how she's treated most of the time,
Speaker 1: and she is at in extremely empathetic person. Yeah, something
Speaker 1: that was interesting to me. Okay, we're going to switch
Speaker 1: to years a bit, so as we're watching this daily
Speaker 1: challenge right, Well, first question is how did you guys
Speaker 1: feel about it when TJ announced the rules. Were you
Speaker 1: excited about this particular daily where you get like, where
Speaker 1: does it ranked amongst kind of the oh crap factor,
Speaker 1: you know, when TJ says this is what you're gonna
Speaker 1: be doing today. We were pretty excited, you know, going
Speaker 1: into that daily We looked at it, We're like, this
Speaker 1: is pretty cut and dry, straightforward. It was all the
Speaker 1: things that we were good at. Laurel like from the
Speaker 1: bat was like, I want to do the rope part
Speaker 1: because I got the swimming, I got the heights running,
Speaker 1: you got the cranking like puzzles like these were all
Speaker 1: things we divided and we're like, this has got to work.
Speaker 1: And that hole was just so deep, you know, but
Speaker 1: it was not It was not right. That hole was
Speaker 1: not right. And I rarely say that do you know
Speaker 1: any no, what do you mean by the hole was
Speaker 1: not right? It wasn't. When they were like it's a meter,
Speaker 1: it's a meter wide, and it's a meter I hate
Speaker 1: because who knows what a meter is? Meter wide, meter deep?
Speaker 1: And Jordan was like, I mean I searched with him.
Speaker 1: We were like where, I mean it took us forever
Speaker 1: to find. I was the last girl to leave with
Speaker 1: my bag and Jordan was there for forever. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: you don't see is the amount of time it took
Speaker 1: for people to get there. It was actually beneficial to
Speaker 1: be last because you got to see everybody's words. Wait,
Speaker 1: why when you walked, because how you can walk behind you?
Speaker 1: Oh to swam up you could see everybody's Oh. I
Speaker 1: mean they were big enough when you were there to
Speaker 1: be able to see them and put it together. Right.
Speaker 1: But I'm kind of I don't know Jack if you are,
Speaker 1: I mean, because this is the episode where you guys leave,
Speaker 1: But all of this talk about like we're friends, we
Speaker 1: want to see where your head's at, like we want
Speaker 1: to work together. Whatever do you think that them winning
Speaker 1: Michelle and Jay winning this this daily shows like who
Speaker 1: they actually are? Like did we need to see this?
Speaker 1: I didn't even need for them to confirm I know,
Speaker 1: I mean it was so obvious, like what they were
Speaker 1: going to do, how they were going to move, They
Speaker 1: made a deal with literally everyone in the house. All
Speaker 1: of their accusations were comely false, like Michelle being like
Speaker 1: so afraid of Laurel and not being able to get
Speaker 1: her words together, And yeah, that was weird. I knew
Speaker 1: exactly we were going in. It wasn't It wasn't shocking
Speaker 1: at all, And like you knew exactly how they were
Speaker 1: going to do it, Like they put Nannie down there
Speaker 1: with her girlfriend. Obviously it's going to be you and I,
Speaker 1: you know, verse each other at that point. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's that was my point. Yeah, when let's take
Speaker 1: it back to last week really quick, because in this
Speaker 1: episode we see some reference where it seems like people
Speaker 1: are collectively mad at Jay and Michelle before they before
Speaker 1: they even win this week, before they even put more
Speaker 1: people in. So were there people with I'm assuming everyone
Speaker 1: in the house knowing how close you guys were, what
Speaker 1: was the name of the band? You guys had the
Speaker 1: Chinese Takeout? The Chinese Takeout, um knowing you know that
Speaker 1: Chinese Takeout was prepared to go on tour. Were other
Speaker 1: people in the house sort of mad for you when
Speaker 1: you came back or side eyeing Jay and Michelle because
Speaker 1: they sent in their friend Jay sent in And yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think the only person that really like
Speaker 1: stuck up for us was Amber. Like first after our elimination,
Speaker 1: Amber was like the only one to really tell Michelle
Speaker 1: like that was not that wow moved because I had
Speaker 1: we had we didn't have really any alliances with anybody
Speaker 1: that's not how we played the game. Laurel said, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we go there, we work with people as
Speaker 1: it kind of goes along. Yep, Like there's not like
Speaker 1: a predetermined alliance. We didn't come in. Yeah, we all
Speaker 1: have each other's backs. Like it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: you showed me have yours and then moved from there.
Speaker 1: So Amber was one of those people. So like Amber
Speaker 1: and Michelle were working together, but then Amber was like,
Speaker 1: you're going for somebody who really has our back, so like,
Speaker 1: not only you fucking with their game, but you're fucking
Speaker 1: with mine. Yeah. So Amber was really the only one
Speaker 1: that kind of said that maybe, but I just bitched
Speaker 1: you behind closed doors. What were you saying? And I
Speaker 1: was living saying I was living because he so I
Speaker 1: called him my breakfast bitch because we would have breakfast
Speaker 1: every morning before our morning poops and um, and then
Speaker 1: we'd go take a nap and then like come back.
Speaker 1: I mean Jack, Jack was my babe. Yeah, running around
Speaker 1: in our crocs. I just this is the part that
Speaker 1: was that was funny to me because Michelle and I
Speaker 1: are friends, or you didn't tell us what you were
Speaker 1: bitching about during your breakfast with your breakfast. Oh, I
Speaker 1: was just I was just over it because this is
Speaker 1: my thing. If you are telling me, and I know
Speaker 1: that Jack probably feels the same way. It was like
Speaker 1: putting putting Nanny and Johnny and Kat and Kenny down there,
Speaker 1: you're basically guaranteeing that I'm gonna go. I was thinking
Speaker 1: that when even if you put me in the draws,
Speaker 1: you gave me the least amount of a possibility to
Speaker 1: get I was thinking that unless I picked the same
Speaker 1: and then you'd put me in a shitty position with
Speaker 1: my friends to then send in my girlfriends, my friend's
Speaker 1: girlfriend or my friend's girlfriends. Yeah. Yeah, so either way
Speaker 1: you were gonna put Jack and I and especially because
Speaker 1: Laurel is close close with nar just putting people in
Speaker 1: these shitty positions. And I get it that it's a game,
Speaker 1: but if we say that we care about these people,
Speaker 1: when you're intentionally giving me no way out or not
Speaker 1: giving Jack away out, when you're basically guaranteeing us up,
Speaker 1: you should have just voted us both in. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean I I kind of feel like they would have
Speaker 1: if they could have. I was the point of being like,
Speaker 1: I want to know where your head's at and then
Speaker 1: you tell that girl it didn't seem like they had
Speaker 1: a point. They want object a circle. They didn't have
Speaker 1: anything with their strategy. It was wild. Now I will
Speaker 1: ask this as a viewer because there was a comment
Speaker 1: that Jay made at some point where he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, at this point, we kind of have to
Speaker 1: vote in a third of the house anyway, like because
Speaker 1: the way this game is structured, which I will say,
Speaker 1: you know, props to producers for things coming out with
Speaker 1: this and t J and their diabolical plan that because
Speaker 1: they do have to you have to select so many people,
Speaker 1: it is harder to keep your hands completely clean because
Speaker 1: there's a lot of names you have to say, whether
Speaker 1: you want to or not. And obviously that's at a
Speaker 1: real disadvantage if you've made deals with everybody in their
Speaker 1: mama and catering in the house, but catering. But even
Speaker 1: cater and Catering's looking over there, like Jay, Michelle too,
Speaker 1: like you bet not put a scene. You said, Oh,
Speaker 1: those mommies were in the kitchen cooking up. Shout out
Speaker 1: to catering. All these women in the shout out catering.
Speaker 1: But what were the numbers getting to that place? Or
Speaker 1: do you think are viable opts, So then who question
Speaker 1: who would you guys? If you were Jay Michelle, I
Speaker 1: want to hear some names or teams that you would
Speaker 1: have put down there instead. Well, it made the most
Speaker 1: sense to get rid of Bananas from their team perspective,
Speaker 1: because bananas a sentence. Jay home. They do not like
Speaker 1: each other, like he just nominated you like two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: But somehow Michelle thought that was Laurel's fault. I mean,
Speaker 1: they had no real ties and if they're going to
Speaker 1: fuck over their friends, I feel like they don't put
Speaker 1: anyone in. Who else would they put in? Anyone who know?
Speaker 1: Need to get us a name they can't say. The
Speaker 1: one person that they couldn't put in was well, they
Speaker 1: made a three three week deal with Devon. That seems
Speaker 1: so weird. How do you know what? I don't get
Speaker 1: a car lease? Right? Yeah, I didn't get it, and
Speaker 1: I was so mad at Tory. I'm like, why aren't you?
Speaker 1: But then she told me she was like, Anissa, I
Speaker 1: that's why we were not down there again. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it was. It was fishy to me at first, but
Speaker 1: I expected it. It was obvious they had a deal. No,
Speaker 1: but they made a deal right before that challenge. Yeah,
Speaker 1: for one more safe. It was no. I knew they
Speaker 1: were working together the whole game. I knew it happened
Speaker 1: right then and there, just from Devin's behavior, like when
Speaker 1: it was announced they won, Devin's like super excited now,
Speaker 1: like he gave it away, and even watching him do
Speaker 1: the puzzle, like I was down there and I was
Speaker 1: watching him like he struggling on purpose, because no, he
Speaker 1: was struggling on he was struggling by it, like he's
Speaker 1: not so he's dyslex he used to well he's dyslexic,
Speaker 1: but like he's not good at um like word films. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was really hard for him. And as a
Speaker 1: as a friend, I know that, but I don't mean
Speaker 1: that in a negative way because it was almost like
Speaker 1: in that challenge, not winning was the move because if
Speaker 1: you wanted to be right in the middle, yeah, if
Speaker 1: you had an alliance with somebody who could pull it
Speaker 1: off every week and just let them win, yeah, you'd
Speaker 1: be safe. Yeah, like Nelson Nelson and I guess so
Speaker 1: what had happened was Nelson would have made Jordan his
Speaker 1: number one because they're friends. But since we came into
Speaker 1: the game, late Nelson had already struck a deal with Jay,
Speaker 1: so I guess Jay was his main man. So I
Speaker 1: know that that Nelson and Neres weren't going to be
Speaker 1: put in, and I guess Rossio and Olivia then were
Speaker 1: attached to that. Oh right, So so then how many
Speaker 1: other options did they really have? They did it because
Speaker 1: of the friendship train. Yeah. I made web yeah list
Speaker 1: while we were there, and it was like the people
Speaker 1: who Jay said, I have your back no matter what,
Speaker 1: and it was like about eight it looked long as hell.
Speaker 1: And then he lied? Who did he lied? He lied
Speaker 1: to Jordan A list? Did I blink? He lied to Jordan?
Speaker 1: And uh. When Jordan asked anything, which shout out to George,
Speaker 1: Jordan came with all thank you. Jordan came with the smoke,
Speaker 1: he came with the fire tree, he came with everything
Speaker 1: and that moment and nothing he said was wrong. Nothing
Speaker 1: he was saying was wrong. Now, Anisa, were you scared
Speaker 1: though when Jordan was popping off like that? Because where
Speaker 1: you let me let me tell you what happened. We
Speaker 1: were silent and Jordan went off and I said, I
Speaker 1: am not gonna stop this growing ass man for speaking
Speaker 1: because one thing Jordan and I are not, is afraid right,
Speaker 1: you're going to put us in anyway or we just
Speaker 1: all he had to say was weak. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: Jordan in that game. Yeah, and then you don't want
Speaker 1: me because if you get me an elimination, I'm probably
Speaker 1: gonna not you, Jack, but like with a girl, like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bust your ass hopefully. But if you're someone
Speaker 1: who's running a final, you don't want Jordan to be there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so just say that ship. And but Jordan wasn't wrong either,
Speaker 1: and that it was a weak move, like do do
Speaker 1: Saying one thing doing another is one hundred percent a
Speaker 1: week gameplay move. Sorry Jay, but it But that's all
Speaker 1: they needed to do was just ending their ship and
Speaker 1: be honest about why we're being sent in there, like yeah,
Speaker 1: stop the facade and like the fake tears and like yeah,
Speaker 1: that was that was very weird. I mean she went
Speaker 1: from hysterically crying about Nanni to then being like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm just gonna send them in. The tears
Speaker 1: was very so sorry, Like well, and I love yous
Speaker 1: in the hand holding and like I I Michelle is wonderful.
Speaker 1: And by the way, any of my critiques of anyone
Speaker 1: is not necessarily personally. This is like a cut or assassination. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is people in their moments. And like, so I
Speaker 1: didn't this whole it was. It was hard. It was
Speaker 1: weird to me, Like the whole thing was strange. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't get it at all. It was just it
Speaker 1: was very like turned on and it's just like being
Speaker 1: blunt and just being straightforward. That's why I was like
Speaker 1: watching Jordan, like watching that back and how he just
Speaker 1: called it straight what it was? Yeah, like do they
Speaker 1: not do they want the whole house to hate them?
Speaker 1: Is that was that goal? Listen? I don't think I
Speaker 1: wish they would have said I had my whole speech
Speaker 1: in there. What was your speech? Tells your speech? Well,
Speaker 1: the thing is this is Jack and I were close.
Speaker 1: This is the first time I think that Laurel and I.
Speaker 1: I really understood who Laurel was as a person. This
Speaker 1: is the first time we got along. I loved her.
Speaker 1: We shared clothes like I was really even when we
Speaker 1: didn't like get along, we still shared clothes. But I
Speaker 1: respected her as as a woman, as a player, as
Speaker 1: a friend. I just I just got her. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: it makes when you get Laurel, it makes your experience
Speaker 1: with her just pleasurable. Like, I agree, and I get
Speaker 1: it now. Yeah, and I don't want to be on
Speaker 1: the bad side of that again. So it's it's nice
Speaker 1: to have a friend in her. Um. What was your
Speaker 1: speech though, so you're not getting out of it. I'm
Speaker 1: down there and I was basically like, listen what y'all
Speaker 1: did with some bullshit, and whoever comes back in or
Speaker 1: is not going to make it easy for you. I
Speaker 1: was like, once you do this, you can't go back right,
Speaker 1: so know what you did, but whoever comes back is
Speaker 1: going to come for you. And which shout out to
Speaker 1: Journey by the way for the encouragement of you. Jack,
Speaker 1: and you talk like that was such a beautiful game play,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I feel emotional talking about it's weird,
Speaker 1: but it was so beautiful. What did you What did
Speaker 1: it mean to you to have him encouraging you while
Speaker 1: competing against you and and knowing it's coming from us
Speaker 1: into your place, I mean, the whole thing. Like, and
Speaker 1: Laurel said that before you know, we even went in.
Speaker 1: Normally she has to get into a really angry zone.
Speaker 1: That's how you went elimination you go, I'm really angry.
Speaker 1: It was so hard to go into this angry. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're going against Anisa, she's going against Jordan. It was
Speaker 1: just like the different level of emotions we were having.
Speaker 1: It was weird. And then like he's trying to encourage
Speaker 1: me and that made me feel soft, like it was beautiful,
Speaker 1: but then it again softens you down a little bit,
Speaker 1: you know. But I kept trying to dodge, dodge. I
Speaker 1: got hit in the face. Oh yeah he did peg
Speaker 1: not the moneymaker. Yeah. And there was that long conversation
Speaker 1: as Laurel was kind of like, so we Jack and
Speaker 1: I gave her that moment with Jordan where like she
Speaker 1: just Jordan knew what to say, You knew all the
Speaker 1: right things to say in that moment to her, and
Speaker 1: she whispered to me, she was like, keep your promise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll go back in there and do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: she basically got everyone to coastide in the house to
Speaker 1: keep jayme. Michell's as that not anything. I was like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: I know, I just don't. I really don't understand their strategy.
Speaker 1: I think that some people get especially Michelle. I like her,
Speaker 1: so it's I know that she gets work. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think she. I think that the people that like get
Speaker 1: emotional in the game, Um, sometimes it's hard for them
Speaker 1: to check back in and like check their feelings and
Speaker 1: like get shit together. Yeah. So it's called strategy for
Speaker 1: a reason, I know, but it just becomes like survival.
Speaker 1: I think, to like have chaos well, to use their emotions.
Speaker 1: I'm using air quotes when I say that, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't tell what all is real all is not, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? That is their shot. It doesn't
Speaker 1: look good to me. It just looks like they came
Speaker 1: in as potential viable candidates to win or get really far,
Speaker 1: and as of right now, as it looks, I don't
Speaker 1: see how in the world they make it far even
Speaker 1: if they were, aside from winning every single daily, which
Speaker 1: we need to know, it's not going to happen. I
Speaker 1: don't see how, um they're gonna make it that far
Speaker 1: because everyone's coming for them, and even the people that
Speaker 1: aren't coming for them are going to side eye them
Speaker 1: because they have proven their word means nothing. And we
Speaker 1: gotta keep the same energy. Because it was like you
Speaker 1: would have thought Annelie and Tommy murdered kittens, right that
Speaker 1: people right alienate, yeah whatever, keep that same energy for
Speaker 1: everybody who does something shady, then that's all. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: mean it really suck for them because going forward, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if you go to compete everybody, everybody that's watching,
Speaker 1: and go compete with them again, it's gonna be hard
Speaker 1: for them to gain trust with a lot of people,
Speaker 1: and the harder and harder and harder. You can't just
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, absolutely, And that unless you guys are
Speaker 1: true savages like I need less emotion, more savage, So
Speaker 1: then I would totally respect like that. It would have
Speaker 1: been respectable if there's no fake bs, if it would
Speaker 1: have been straight yeah, right, yeah, because then it shows away.
Speaker 1: I felt bad for you, Jack, because I mean not
Speaker 1: like I pitied you. I just felt like Chinese. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: and it made a friend well. Yeah. It was bizarre
Speaker 1: because we got close like in quarantine, like we were
Speaker 1: on FaceTime with each other, like that's who I was
Speaker 1: talking to the most. I thought it was pretty established
Speaker 1: because I really hadn't spoken to anybody else like that
Speaker 1: in the house yet. So that was weird because it
Speaker 1: was like we're not even on camera and you are
Speaker 1: developing a friendship with me, So I've been spoken to
Speaker 1: him since. Yeah, he reached out and apologized. Um, I said,
Speaker 1: you know, that's very kind to you for reaching out.
Speaker 1: And then he's like, oh, I do want to hang
Speaker 1: out together. I was like, yeah, maybe we can go
Speaker 1: like grab lanche, sure, go to the gym like kind
Speaker 1: of talk it out. And then oh yeah, nope, nope.
Speaker 1: And then what this is the this is the straightforward podcast, Jack,
Speaker 1: We keep it real, just like you doing your confessionals.
Speaker 1: So what happened ever that now what he had made
Speaker 1: a comment and he's like, yeah, I'll bring my good
Speaker 1: camera to make like what content? Oh? Absolutely? And I
Speaker 1: was like returning, like this is our first time hanging
Speaker 1: out after you just royally fucked me over dollars and
Speaker 1: you want it to like make content to put on
Speaker 1: your Instagram. That way the fans don't come for you
Speaker 1: because you made it do yeah, And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh it really wasn't sincere Oh. I was like, you
Speaker 1: had a chance, like to redeem yourself there, like go
Speaker 1: to lunch, let's talk man to man, settle it out,
Speaker 1: like I can move on from something. But that was weird,
Speaker 1: that robably be the wrong way. So I blocked his number.
Speaker 1: Oh so you never went out, you guys never like
Speaker 1: actually met up in person. I blocked the number after that,
Speaker 1: I will. Before I blocked the number, I had made
Speaker 1: a couple of jokes because I make jokes and I'm
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because god camera, and I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: you mean only fans content or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then that was it. And then maybe I recommended
Speaker 1: my therapist phone number to him. I have a great therapist,
Speaker 1: and yeah's good. Therapy is great. Do you feel looking
Speaker 1: back over at all? Now, do you feel like that
Speaker 1: Jay's intentions when you were getting close during quarantine, you know,
Speaker 1: like before actually started completely to fuck me over? It
Speaker 1: was completely a blind time. Yes, so you think it
Speaker 1: was completely fake? Yeah, I see the full strategy because
Speaker 1: he plays the game, which is great. Like if that's you,
Speaker 1: like you want to like butter people up just to
Speaker 1: be the snake and like that's how you can get
Speaker 1: ahead or whatever. I hate this information. So you feel
Speaker 1: like it was a long con? You don't, So you
Speaker 1: don't think it was just messy missteps mid game that
Speaker 1: kind of led to the demisre you of friendship. You
Speaker 1: feel like he sort of in a way spotted this
Speaker 1: from the beginning. I had his back, but it didn't
Speaker 1: make any sense to make us this target. They could
Speaker 1: have just said and like how Michelle kind of like
Speaker 1: said her interview, I'm afraid of Laurel. If you would
Speaker 1: have said at one point, I'm afraid of you. And
Speaker 1: then she said something about how Laurel was the reason
Speaker 1: she was sent in an episode two. Yeah, what was
Speaker 1: that about? Like, what is Laurel and Michelle's history at
Speaker 1: their first time meeting? That was their first time meeting again.
Speaker 1: And if you're not scared of Laurel, something's wrong with you.
Speaker 1: She is amazing at this game. She is crafty, she's honest,
Speaker 1: she's smart. But Laurel never did her like. It was weird,
Speaker 1: very one sided. I didn't understand the paranoid like I
Speaker 1: could see her being like paranoid or whatever about her,
Speaker 1: like if she had started with her or whatever, but
Speaker 1: they were getting along. They just hadn't spoken. Do you
Speaker 1: think there was anything with like the Fessie thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: Michelle was going around trying to get Laurel sloppy seconds
Speaker 1: like after every single kind of situation, so she might
Speaker 1: have been, you know, feeling about that because even when
Speaker 1: like Arascio and her started to go down, Michelle tried
Speaker 1: to It was just like where Laurel had left. Michelle
Speaker 1: was swooping right in and I was like, I gotta
Speaker 1: drink of water if you like her third, you know,
Speaker 1: don't hydrate baby. I'm in my casket. I don't think
Speaker 1: I could. He's resurrected. Speaking of Laurel's big heart and
Speaker 1: lots of hugs, was there any point in the game
Speaker 1: where you were like, did you have a conversation with
Speaker 1: her or where you're like, what's going on with a Rassio?
Speaker 1: Do you think did you ever think like it was
Speaker 1: going to interfere with your game? Um? At first no,
Speaker 1: but then because everything was good with what she was doing. UM.
Speaker 1: I did have concern after she found out Harassio had
Speaker 1: like a girl at home, because I was like, Laurel's
Speaker 1: very emotional, like when it comes to boys, she doesn't
Speaker 1: really just like let her guard down to everybody stride
Speaker 1: a picky and I was worried that, yeah, she's getting
Speaker 1: her feelings a little bit, and you know, she needs
Speaker 1: to be in the zone to compete, not emotional about him.
Speaker 1: Did you become more worried or less worried when she
Speaker 1: moved over to oh Bessie's bed. Well, I knew she
Speaker 1: moved out of our room in the all of the night.
Speaker 1: I didn't know she moved into Bessie's brow until the
Speaker 1: next day. That was a great choice. Like when you
Speaker 1: saw her getting feelings for Nick Cannon, did you, well,
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon of the challenge, did you feel like it
Speaker 1: was a bigger liability or did get me out of here?
Speaker 1: You know, going back in the cast, Nick can he
Speaker 1: Bessie is officially he may not be messy, but he is.
Speaker 1: Nick Cannon of the Challenge. It's all I'm gonna say. Done.
Speaker 1: But were you more concerned or were you like, you know,
Speaker 1: it is no because Bessie. I don't think Laurel Ever
Speaker 1: really took that seriously. Yeah, okay, it was more so.
Speaker 1: Here's a big, cuddly man. I'm gonna go cuddle with him.
Speaker 1: You know, he's quiet, he's easy to get along with.
Speaker 1: I can see the draw because there's no trauma attatched
Speaker 1: to it, besides the fact that he's in you know,
Speaker 1: everybody's pond at the same time. Yeah, I mean everybody.
Speaker 1: That's the only drama you know. But besides that for
Speaker 1: a cuddle buddy, somebody that like he desink, he has
Speaker 1: real cuddle potential. Not gonna lie. And he's so charming
Speaker 1: for the listeners you haven't met best like, you know,
Speaker 1: he smells good in person. He's very like charismatic, all
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Like many words, but like when he
Speaker 1: does talk, you're laughing and making so many faces. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, I've I love Fessie. We've gone on vacation together.
Speaker 1: Like he's a way Is that a pond? Has he
Speaker 1: been in your pond? And Nissa? Absolutely not okay, just
Speaker 1: looking out for my good sister, not even like a
Speaker 1: little friends. Wait, his friend has oh oh you have
Speaker 1: to text over photos of this friend and he's oh
Speaker 1: my god, girl, he is fine. Yeah, all right, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna need you to send that to the group chat.
Speaker 1: All right, So less concerned about Laurel and Nick I
Speaker 1: mean Laurel and Fessie. When it comes to Cannon to
Speaker 1: the game. He might like that too much. We can't
Speaker 1: give him that name now that's probably probably abolutely Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're just gonna call him Fassel. Okay, we need to
Speaker 1: take a quick break. But we'll be right back right
Speaker 1: after this. Another thing I wanted to ask I'm so
Speaker 1: curious about. So we see the like cranking part and
Speaker 1: this is back to the daily. So we see and
Speaker 1: some people when they get to the part where their
Speaker 1: cranking seemed gassed right like they're like trying to do
Speaker 1: the little credit of you over there, Jack are just
Speaker 1: smiling like the most giddy person. Was it? Was it easy?
Speaker 1: Was it hard? Were you just high off life that day? Like? What?
Speaker 1: What that was like super easy? I don't know, Okay,
Speaker 1: it just sucked that. Like that was like the daily
Speaker 1: that like was our last because like we had really
Speaker 1: finally figured out, like I think the week prior, how
Speaker 1: to work well together, like really figured out and identified
Speaker 1: each other's strength, each other's weakness is how we needed
Speaker 1: to communicate. You know, Laurel needs to kind of like
Speaker 1: be louder and yell and be like, you know, more
Speaker 1: in my face and that keeps me really fine insane,
Speaker 1: and so like like the rowing challenge, like we were
Speaker 1: in sync, like the elimination the week prior, we were
Speaker 1: in sync, and then this was just like we were
Speaker 1: in sync again. But the hole was just really fucking
Speaker 1: deep damn hole every time. It wasn't our team mark
Speaker 1: at that point. It was just that whole was really
Speaker 1: fucking deep. Yeah, and nail like she she took her
Speaker 1: hand gloves off, like oh wow, well yeah, that was
Speaker 1: a really deep hole that the dirt wasn't like there
Speaker 1: were like rocks, there were like it wasn't it wasn't good. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the ground had the ground had so many
Speaker 1: holes in it. Yeah, that ground everybody wanted to sprint
Speaker 1: on it. I was like, this was uneven trotted. I
Speaker 1: trotted across that. Well, that was trop terrain. You couldn't
Speaker 1: sprint on that. Yeah, you're gonna like that is like
Speaker 1: I remember Nelson he booked it and he was running.
Speaker 1: He always does, You're gonna fall, somebody find There's so
Speaker 1: many places to trip and fall. I was like, that
Speaker 1: is the dumbest strategy. But I mean he didn't fall,
Speaker 1: thank God. Another question for you too, since you were there,
Speaker 1: did you ever at any point you have a since
Speaker 1: of any tension between Nannie and Bananas or where you watched,
Speaker 1: did any of you get to witness sort of the
Speaker 1: fall apart that was happening. Yeah, Anissa, what did you
Speaker 1: I was right next to them, and he was like pairs,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, is he purposely trying to think not
Speaker 1: win this? And it seemed it seemed like he was
Speaker 1: not ready to. And I think amongst the Vets, or
Speaker 1: at least some VET pairs, it was better to just
Speaker 1: be in the middle, yeah, not go in the draw
Speaker 1: and not win. So if Tori and Devin won, we
Speaker 1: knew that we were all safe. But I don't think
Speaker 1: Johnny wanted to win that one. And it was frustrating
Speaker 1: because Nannie goes into things and I don't think people
Speaker 1: give her enough credit, but that girl busts her ass
Speaker 1: when when it comes to jumping off something, eating something, swimming,
Speaker 1: Nannie will do every single thing to get yeah. And
Speaker 1: I think that in that moment, she felt like bananas
Speaker 1: robbed her of that chance of like winning a chat
Speaker 1: daily and or like being able to perform the best
Speaker 1: that they could, because even though people are on your side,
Speaker 1: you still want to win that gratification. To do it
Speaker 1: that way and to not tell her, I don't know
Speaker 1: I got where he was coming from, Like if he
Speaker 1: would have like told her, you know, on the way
Speaker 1: to challenge and maybe it's better if we don't win
Speaker 1: today or like, I don't know, but the risk is
Speaker 1: my question, because did the bets come away after this
Speaker 1: week now going maybe that shouldn't be our strategy because
Speaker 1: look what happened, right, Like we saw nothing but Bet
Speaker 1: teams down there and essentially having to eat each other alive.
Speaker 1: Like the Bets got a root awakening this week because
Speaker 1: taking for granted how safe they were, put Nannie in
Speaker 1: a terrible position and being up against friend, being up
Speaker 1: against you know, her significant other, and who knows if
Speaker 1: they had won that that wouldn't have been the case.
Speaker 1: You know, who knows who would have been down there,
Speaker 1: but that would have been the case. So do you feel,
Speaker 1: like Anissa coming back after that week, did anything change
Speaker 1: or did nothing change? Nothing change? I think we all
Speaker 1: wanted to win, Like I think, especially after this episode.
Speaker 1: I think this drills it in where it's like, oh yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: they're gonna keep doing this shit to us. So I
Speaker 1: don't care what it is, but you want to win
Speaker 1: and protect the people that you care about, right, And
Speaker 1: this game, the format of this game has made it
Speaker 1: essential because it's it's they've combined very smartly, so two
Speaker 1: elements of some of the more famous seasons of the challenge,
Speaker 1: which is the draw and deliberation, like group deliberations right
Speaker 1: where you have to put in you know, kind of
Speaker 1: a bunch of people and consider that, and so it
Speaker 1: just makes it doubly hard, which means it is really
Speaker 1: it's almost never possible. I'd say, to skate by and
Speaker 1: not touch you would not really have to be like
Speaker 1: the key inside of both alliances, like because it was
Speaker 1: like the house was split in half, So who's the
Speaker 1: half in half? Tell me? Can you guys give me
Speaker 1: the names of who just so we're clear where we
Speaker 1: are now? And the journal from the house because I
Speaker 1: had all of this written, where's your journal? Jack? Where
Speaker 1: you look for the journal? While I while I run
Speaker 1: off some names, Um, I guess Devin, Devin and Tory,
Speaker 1: Jordan and myself, Johnny and Nanny, Casey, Kenny, Laurel and Jack.
Speaker 1: And then there was like a Rassio and Olivia, Mariah
Speaker 1: and Fessie. But the problems were happening because it's like
Speaker 1: FESSI was with Colleen and then that's like bringing in
Speaker 1: a rookie to like in your emotions gacky. Then you
Speaker 1: got Johnny and you know, bananas and Mariah. So what
Speaker 1: happens there? Right? You know? All right, here's the less
Speaker 1: I had written there, y'all. He's got some notes a
Speaker 1: full but I definitely wrote a lot. I mean, I
Speaker 1: am a professional. I'm a published author, so I get
Speaker 1: it published author. So yeah, pretty much what Anissa had said.
Speaker 1: Those who were kind of like where the house was
Speaker 1: divided and burn Michelle and Jay Nelson, Theresa, Olivia and Rossi,
Speaker 1: Fi Maria on one side, Kenny and Casey, Nannia, Bananas, Jordian, Anissa,
Speaker 1: Durrell and Veronica maybe then were in Devon. I then
Speaker 1: wrote the people that had our backs And this is
Speaker 1: kind of where it was interesting because it's on both
Speaker 1: because we weren't really part of an alliance. We didn't
Speaker 1: really ever say like this is where we stand. So
Speaker 1: I knew the people that had our back to Jordan
Speaker 1: Any Sir on Hare Nania and Bananas, Olivia and Rossi
Speaker 1: and Bur and Chauncy. So that's kind of maybe bur
Speaker 1: An issue was because we weren't fully with one side.
Speaker 1: It was like connected with one but that's how we played.
Speaker 1: We didn't have like a predetermined alliance. We just made
Speaker 1: connections with people and those connections were good, but I
Speaker 1: guess not good enough. I think that we should have
Speaker 1: journals with Jack. Yeah, journaling with Jack like occasionally. Yeah,
Speaker 1: is there anything you would change about this season in hindsight? Jack, Um,
Speaker 1: I guess the only thing that I wish I would
Speaker 1: change is not trusting jam Michelle, not trusting them to
Speaker 1: have our back. Not trust and kind of you know,
Speaker 1: I don't really regret anything. I like the way that
Speaker 1: Laurel and I played. Yeah, I didn't work, but we
Speaker 1: stay true to who we were, so like I left
Speaker 1: with integrity and like, so there's not much had to
Speaker 1: change because yeah, we lost, but in the long run,
Speaker 1: we've won more because like going forward in future seasons,
Speaker 1: and you know, the way people are gonna want to
Speaker 1: move around us is different than the way they're gonna
Speaker 1: want to move around that. Absolutely, we lost, we lost
Speaker 1: the sprint, but we won the marathon, Amen, Pastor, We're
Speaker 1: set up to go, like you know further, Yes, I
Speaker 1: love that so much and hearing you be so motivational
Speaker 1: makes it all the more funny. The fact that you
Speaker 1: had one of the best lines of the season about
Speaker 1: rats and pieces of garbage right ahead, does how I
Speaker 1: talk I'm from New Jersey. I you know, I come
Speaker 1: from a very old school Catholic family. That's how we talk.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. My mom took because, like Twitter was
Speaker 1: blowing up the other day about how Laurel and I
Speaker 1: like yell at each other and all like the fucking
Speaker 1: like rat this that, and like we were like, wow,
Speaker 1: she really just yells at him and he's just yelling.
Speaker 1: You know, there's something wrong with them. Yeah, And my
Speaker 1: mom texted me last night she said, wait, this is funny.
Speaker 1: You handle yourself with such dignity. I love how you
Speaker 1: and Law communicate in such a loving way towards that
Speaker 1: is hysterical. Oh my god, that's so funny. Post thing
Speaker 1: like that is a loving way to talk to each other.
Speaker 1: It's like I'll tell you to go fuck yourself while
Speaker 1: giving you the shirt off my back. Like that's just
Speaker 1: how we speak. I think you get that. Anissa, Yes,
Speaker 1: are you hitting poppers? No? No, it's peppermine oil. Because
Speaker 1: I am a little bit hung over from the Challenge
Speaker 1: media watch party last night. I was trying not Lissa,
Speaker 1: just like, taking a whiff of poppers during the podcast
Speaker 1: are so crazy. I would never I've kind of sniffed
Speaker 1: one once and then he listens your hole and then
Speaker 1: makes you really like hot and back to the holes again.
Speaker 1: Here we should have dropped poppers. We should have dropped
Speaker 1: poppers into that stupid hole so we could have found
Speaker 1: our bottom that hole. We would have dug real fast
Speaker 1: if I knew, like there was a prize down. Now
Speaker 1: we know what Jack would have done differently. And hot guy,
Speaker 1: that hot guy from a Big Brother Argentina, Oh, I
Speaker 1: haven't seen he was. Of all the guys I had
Speaker 1: a crush on in the house, then I had a
Speaker 1: crush on like two. I The only guy I really
Speaker 1: like was like wow, like he's attractive and like there's
Speaker 1: something about him. Was actually Devin. Really I get it,
Speaker 1: Like really Devin is like he's a man, Like there's
Speaker 1: there is an appeal. I mean I had a crush
Speaker 1: on Devin at one point. Yeah, personality, like he's just
Speaker 1: he's got like this asshole kind of personality. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that part about him so funny. So yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: of all the guys and House Devin and then Durrell
Speaker 1: because Darrell's just so cool and hilarious. Yeah, like these
Speaker 1: are both energy based attraction, not even just aesthetic. I
Speaker 1: love that. I wouldn't have guessed either one. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have guessed either one. And
Speaker 1: and I'm kidding with Devin, because Devin does. He's grown me,
Speaker 1: he did. I love Devin and Tory's friendship. Can I
Speaker 1: just say like, I love yeah so much? I really do.
Speaker 1: It's just it's fun to see like real friendships because
Speaker 1: I know it outside and it's real, so it's fun
Speaker 1: to see it in a competitive sense. I love that. Jack. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now you're no longer on this season, but I'm
Speaker 1: sure we will see you back again. I am sure.
Speaker 1: And the notebook, which now we're just gonna have to
Speaker 1: ask you about every season. But who are you rooting for?
Speaker 1: If you have to pick one team? No spoilers, of course,
Speaker 1: but just who when you're leaving that house at that moment, who,
Speaker 1: then are you passing the baton on too? Who do
Speaker 1: you want to win the season? I am putting my
Speaker 1: full faith in Olivia and Rossio to take the way,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I just got along with them
Speaker 1: in a really great way. I thought there were incredible people.
Speaker 1: I think they're both incredible people, very stand up people,
Speaker 1: and I hope they can pull it off, and I
Speaker 1: hope they can win a final. I love it all right,
Speaker 1: so rooting for it, Harassio and Olivia. Now before we
Speaker 1: let you go, sir Jack, we have a little game
Speaker 1: that we like to play, and this season we're playing
Speaker 1: a game. Don't be scared. You've already gone through the
Speaker 1: scary part. It's only three. This part is three questions. Yes,
Speaker 1: like a Nissa said about your partner, because you guy
Speaker 1: are supposed to be Ride or Die, so we want
Speaker 1: to know if you can really write it. Anissa, do
Speaker 1: you want to ask question number one? Sure? Jack, your partner,
Speaker 1: Laurel is a Challenge legends. How many Challenge seasons has
Speaker 1: she done? Oh? So close? So close? That's close. Okay,
Speaker 1: well then you've still got it. Good job, good job,
Speaker 1: all right? Question number two, Oh, Jack, you and Laurel
Speaker 1: bond over having no filter? I was about to say,
Speaker 1: no filler. If that doesn't tell you I have an
Speaker 1: upcoming botox appointment, I don't know it, does I have one?
Speaker 1: On the fifteen two? Anissa, Oh my gosh, we're like
Speaker 1: the same um. But you and Laurel bond over having
Speaker 1: no filter? What is the wildest thing your partner has
Speaker 1: ever said in front of you. Oh, don't go telling lies,
Speaker 1: because we will call Laurel to confirm. Um, somebody we
Speaker 1: were out one night and somebody stole twenty dollars from
Speaker 1: her out of her hand. I believe something had happened.
Speaker 1: We were at a club or I don't know, and
Speaker 1: she she verbally assaulted them like I've never seen. It
Speaker 1: was pretty enery, Laurel. I'm not going to repeat it.
Speaker 1: Yeah at a moment, and then don't come in her
Speaker 1: twenty dollars, don't Yeah, she she did. She was right
Speaker 1: in it. She tried to get the money back and
Speaker 1: she like kind of reached and lunged at the girl,
Speaker 1: Laurel and afraid of shit, No, no, this girl, this
Speaker 1: girl had took the money from her. And Laurel was like,
Speaker 1: absolutely not a dollar twenty dollars. I agree, cantal from
Speaker 1: people and expect not to get right. No, yeah, like
Speaker 1: an idiot, and then not be checked. People feel like
Speaker 1: they're uncheckable and everybody knows that they're not the case.
Speaker 1: The rule of law about fuck around and find out
Speaker 1: like that is becoming. I loved that. That is like
Speaker 1: a man now it really Yeah, it's like almost like
Speaker 1: Laurels from the Tri state area, like our t well,
Speaker 1: her family there are moments of that. So like her
Speaker 1: family is like Jersey and New York and like so
Speaker 1: it's in talk that way. I met her parents, like
Speaker 1: they're super you know, East Coast and old school and
Speaker 1: like super cool people. So that's definitely where she gets it. Well,
Speaker 1: jolly Jack, we have a last question here, all right,
Speaker 1: Laurels a veterinarian and Jack. Last week you called j
Speaker 1: a fucking rat, fucking piece of garbage. What is your
Speaker 1: partner's favorite animal? Her horse? Her horse? Well, you're saying
Speaker 1: the answer me or potential answers. Yeah, she's a big animal.
Speaker 1: G Oh, that's the answers. Okay, let me just do
Speaker 1: this right, Okay, Laurels at okay, Jesus. And she sends
Speaker 1: me pictures of chickens and birds like all day long,
Speaker 1: and different animals. She really melts over an animal. She
Speaker 1: really I've never it's like Laurel turns into a like
Speaker 1: I I know that I'm annoying when I see a
Speaker 1: dog and I freak out and a pettit and I
Speaker 1: love it. Where a cat I held a baby last night,
Speaker 1: I freaked out over that my ovaries were going nuts.
Speaker 1: But Laurel, No, I mean like, holding baby is not
Speaker 1: your ovaries, Like I just it makes you oh and
Speaker 1: then like oh no, I fucking loved it. I loved
Speaker 1: every moment of it. No, but Laurel turns into even
Speaker 1: like a sappier version of sappy. She like melts, She
Speaker 1: becomes a puddle herself. Can you imagine Laurel being the bet,
Speaker 1: Like if Laurel lived here, I would totally want her
Speaker 1: to be Brooklyn, my dog's bet, Like she gets it done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she'd be straight up about like listen, I hate
Speaker 1: to break it to you, but uh, we're gonna have
Speaker 1: to take the dog's leg Like there's no there's no
Speaker 1: like sugarcoating ship. Yeah, she'd be honest with you. She'd
Speaker 1: help people. Yeah, but she empathetic to animals. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: need a medical field and yeah, completely. And I love
Speaker 1: that we have a doctor on the Challenge. And I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about those medics that follow us around when
Speaker 1: we're competing on the show. I'm talking about the fact
Speaker 1: that we have a doctor competing on the Challenge. I
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, I do have one question for you,
Speaker 1: because you did go against us as you as your set,
Speaker 1: this is your second elimination. Do you think it's it's easier, worse, better, whatever,
Speaker 1: to go against people you respect and hear about, or
Speaker 1: to go against people you have zero feelings for. It's
Speaker 1: definitely it's definitely zero feelings for. I'd rather go it
Speaker 1: against somebody who I don't like, you know, because when
Speaker 1: you do it, does it message with their head a
Speaker 1: little bit. I wasn't expecting it too, but it does.
Speaker 1: And I guess that's something that comes with experience to
Speaker 1: get like a little bit eased out of that. You know,
Speaker 1: this is my second elimination. Most people have like it
Speaker 1: doesn't get it. It It doesn't get easier at all. Actually
Speaker 1: gets harder because these bonds. But there is there is
Speaker 1: that I'm very competitive, so like it's kill or be killed.
Speaker 1: So as much as like I'm blocking stuff, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Laurel, I know she's frustrated, and then I'm looking
Speaker 1: at Jack. I know he's like. It was hard for
Speaker 1: me to do that because I cared about them, But
Speaker 1: I would have rather lost to two people I respect
Speaker 1: that they're going to go back in the game and
Speaker 1: give him. Hell yeah, there was a bright side to
Speaker 1: it for me. Yeah, I'm win or lose, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I think whoever would have won that would have gone
Speaker 1: back in and done with any of it to do.
Speaker 1: I agree, Oh yeah, Michelle and j I toast in
Speaker 1: my mind. I mean, I don't know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened the rest of this season, but they might
Speaker 1: as well just start planning for next season or coming
Speaker 1: back or whatever, because this ain't there's you know, there's
Speaker 1: no way. They pissed almost everybody off in the house
Speaker 1: except for Catering. We've said it. I don't see how
Speaker 1: they come back from this. They need to talk to
Speaker 1: Tory because she's a horrible politician, but it's taken her
Speaker 1: good six seven seasons to get it together. You got
Speaker 1: to own up. If you're not great at politics, then
Speaker 1: you find out what you're good at and you work
Speaker 1: on it. Yeah, and you master it. Aree and standing
Speaker 1: your truth. You got to just own stuff. Even if
Speaker 1: you make a mistake, people will always you can always
Speaker 1: bargain with the fact that, hey, you can trust my word.
Speaker 1: You can always use that as an asset later when
Speaker 1: you're trying to make deals or by because people will
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, who I can trust that, versus making promises,
Speaker 1: breaking them and then later trying to convince people, Yeah,
Speaker 1: don't make them, you can't break them. Yeah, I live
Speaker 1: by it. Yeah, yeah, I agree. Jack. It has been
Speaker 1: such a pleasure having you here. We missed your other half, Laurel.
Speaker 1: We love you, Laurel. Hope you are safe in the
Speaker 1: hurricane girl m but we've enjoyed having you on so much.
Speaker 1: Thank you for sharing your burn book with us. Thank
Speaker 1: you for being open about your process. Yeah, your truth,
Speaker 1: your your commentary on the game. You're hilarious, beautiful to watch,
Speaker 1: great to listen to as well you are. You are
Speaker 1: a gorgeous man. Oh yeah, we got to see you
Speaker 1: in your speedo living in your truth and you guys
Speaker 1: great on TV. But right now as we're recording this
Speaker 1: and we're watching on videos, look, I am beautiful, you guys, like, seriously,
Speaker 1: I'd argue even better. And you know, Zoom does know
Speaker 1: in any favors, So less better than I did on
Speaker 1: the TV show because I was a little fat. Me
Speaker 1: and Laurel, we're definitely heavier than we normally are on that. Okay,
Speaker 1: you definitely weren't fat on the show. Let me just
Speaker 1: clarify that, Yeah, I was a little chubby. I had
Speaker 1: too much cheek filler, which I don't ever want to
Speaker 1: get again. Yeah, I love your fear face is absolutely beautiful.
Speaker 1: I actually did a deep dive into your Instagram and
Speaker 1: I went all the way back. That doesn't sound weird,
Speaker 1: all the way back, yo, fucking gorgeous. I was like,
Speaker 1: no more cheek filler, damn it. Okay, it was like addicted.
Speaker 1: I was going to strip mall in Glendown. This lady
Speaker 1: was just pumping bigger Oh my gosh. First rule of filler,
Speaker 1: don't get it at a strip mall, and Glenda the
Speaker 1: first rule of piller, don't get out of your But
Speaker 1: for those who want to stalk you, like Anissa did,
Speaker 1: where can they find you? I call it? I called
Speaker 1: research quote a research. Yeah, you can follow me on Instagram,
Speaker 1: Jacob Hart K K O F H E R T
Speaker 1: S S and Twitter is the same thing, and TikTok's
Speaker 1: the same thing. Here we go. I love it. We've
Speaker 1: loved having you here so much. Thank you for making
Speaker 1: the time and thank sharing with us and for being
Speaker 1: such a good friend to our girl. Laurel Um, we
Speaker 1: appreciate all of that so much of cooer job, I
Speaker 1: love you, love you guys. Well, that was definitely informative.
Speaker 1: I want to thank Jack for his time and his
Speaker 1: journal reading. I love him absolutely great, so good. I mean,
Speaker 1: we got some real tea, Anissa, we really did, really
Speaker 1: but for more tea? Where can they follow you? For
Speaker 1: all the tea? You can follow me on Instagram that's
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