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Speaker 1: What comes. The day after Israel's war with Hamas, the

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Speaker 1: Palestinian authority says it is working with the US on

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Speaker 1: a plan to run the Gaza strip after the fighting ends.

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Speaker 1: One of its top leaders argues Israel's aim to fully

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Speaker 1: defeat the Palestinian militant group Hamas is unrealistic. Palestinian Prime

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Speaker 1: Minister Mohammed Staya says his preferred outcome would be for

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Speaker 1: Hamas to become a junior partner under the Palestine Liberation Organization,

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Speaker 1: helping to build a new independent state that includes the

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Speaker 1: West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem. Mohammed Staya spoke with

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg's Ethan Bronner from his office in the West Bank.

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister, thank you very much for agreeing to talk

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Speaker 2: to us today. So, if I understand correctly, American officials

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Speaker 2: were here this week, I think yesterday or so, the

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Speaker 2: Vice Presidents, the National Security Advisor Phil Gordon, others. Can

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Speaker 2: you talk a little bit about what plans and thoughts

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Speaker 2: you and they are coming up with for what happens

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Speaker 2: when this terrible war comes to an end.

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Speaker 3: The main bond of discussion is first, how do we

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Speaker 3: preserve the twoster solution and what are the practical measures

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Speaker 3: that we should employ together in order for us to

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Speaker 3: make it possible. One second important issue that has to

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Speaker 3: do with the day after. I mean this is something

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Speaker 3: of concern to the administration. For us, of course, we

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Speaker 3: care about the day after, but our main concern is today,

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Speaker 3: because we have been calling United States other international players

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Speaker 3: that what is needed is an immediate cease fire to

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Speaker 2: When you talk about the day after, talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit to us about what that means.

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Speaker 3: Well, look, I mean, first of all, Palestinia, we have

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Speaker 3: never left Gaza.

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Speaker 2: I understand we meaning the Palestinian authority or we Palestinian.

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Speaker 3: No with the Palestina author right, We actually never left Gaza.

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Speaker 3: We have been for the last seventeen years. Since Hamas

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Speaker 3: took over Gaza by military force. We continued to provide

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Speaker 3: service to our people there. We bad the electricity bill,

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Speaker 3: we baid the water pill We were being the salaries

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Speaker 3: of the doctors, of the nurses, of the teachers, of

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Speaker 3: the civil servants. Of course, we asked our bullice who

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Speaker 3: stay home. So our bullice is not working or not

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Speaker 3: cooperating with Hamas at all. So on one hand, we

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Speaker 3: never left Gaza. On the other hand, of course Hamas

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Speaker 3: was the de facto regime in Gaza. Now the day

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Speaker 3: after for us should look like the following, and that's

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Speaker 3: what we have been engaged with. Washington thinks that. Also

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Speaker 3: Secretary Blinkoln has explicitly stated in Tokyo during the G

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Speaker 3: seven meeting, of course, that Israeli occupation to Gaza should

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Speaker 3: not be allowed. One second, Gaza should not shrink in

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Speaker 3: terms of territory, and Israel should not be allowed to

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Speaker 3: annex certain areas that they might call buffar zones and

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Speaker 3: so on. Third, there should not be any forced transfer

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Speaker 3: of Palestinians out of Gaza. Egypt has been cooperating very well.

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Speaker 3: And also this is something that we did not want

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Speaker 2: How does the PA get involved in helping to regulate

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Speaker 3: Well, this is I think that these are the blands

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Speaker 2: As I told you, that's your desire that that should

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Speaker 3: Of Of course, Gaza is an integral part of the

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Speaker 3: state of balistline and the Balestinian territory includes Gaza, West

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Speaker 3: the geography of the two states is Gaza, Jerusalem and

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Speaker 2: And is there a fear of going in after this

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Speaker 3: We said that we are not going to go there

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Speaker 3: has to be an arrangement. Our people are there and

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Speaker 3: we need to put together structure and we need to

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Speaker 3: put together a mechanism. This is something that we are

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Speaker 3: terms of relief, reconstruction, to remedy the wounds. And are

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Speaker 3: mean obviously we need international as sistance.

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Speaker 2: This is your plan, your planners that the PA would

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Speaker 2: rebuilding Gaza.

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Speaker 3: By all means. Look, when Israel incursed into Gaza in

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Speaker 3: and even before the war, I should tell you that

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Speaker 3: has been under implementation by US roads, hospitals, water networks, electricity,

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Speaker 3: we never abandoned Gaza, We never left Gaza. So now

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Speaker 3: any day after it should also include a package of

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Speaker 3: ourselves we cannot do it.

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Speaker 2: A lower But the Israeli say they want to eradicate Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Is that a goal that is achievable? Can you do it?

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Speaker 3: First of all, you know, we tried four times or

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Speaker 3: didn't work and correct and we signed four agreements. Unfortunately

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Speaker 3: none of them was ever implemented by them by them,

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Speaker 3: And recently we have had a dialogue in Egypt and

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Speaker 3: For Israel to say that they are going to eradicate

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Speaker 3: or eliminate Hamas, I don't think that's a possible goal

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Speaker 3: to achieve, simply because Hamas is not in Gaza only.

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Speaker 3: Hamas is in Libanon. Hamas in leadership, everybody knows in Kata,

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Speaker 3: situation in which that Palestinian unity should be allowed to

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Speaker 3: a low commitments, and so on and so forth. We

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Speaker 3: And it seems that we are on the highway. So

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Speaker 3: that is where the situation is now. As I said,

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Speaker 3: whether Israel will be able to achieve what they are

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Speaker 2: When you think about the day after and going into Gaza,

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Speaker 2: do you think that the Palestine and authority employees who

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Speaker 3: Well, look, as I told you, we have eighteen thousand

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Speaker 2: But many of them have been doing nothing for these years.

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Speaker 3: No, no, they have been working, as I told you,

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Speaker 3: the teachers, some hurricanes, the doctors are working, some with

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Speaker 2: But many I remember, were being paid salaries not to

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Speaker 2: go to the office.

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Speaker 3: Correct, these are the bullies. Oh okay, these are the police,

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Speaker 3: nineteen thousand of them. These people they need to be retrind.

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Speaker 3: But they are the locals. They know, they are the

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Speaker 3: sons of the cities. They know every single corner of Gaza,

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Speaker 3: of Hanuris and so on and so forth. So for us,

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Speaker 3: all what you need is reorganization, try to put things together.

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Speaker 3: You need international financial aid, you need a package of

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Speaker 3: serious international humanitarian assistance. You need a package for reconstruction,

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Speaker 3: because maybe no less than half a million will be

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Speaker 3: homeless for quite some time, maybe more so, what do

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Speaker 3: we do with these people? So there is a very

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Speaker 3: But as I told you, frankly, my main concern while

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Speaker 3: I think of the day after, my main concern is today.

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Speaker 2: Do you consider going to sort of political opposition leaders

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Speaker 2: in a particular moment now we need to build something new.

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Speaker 3: We are ready for that. We are ready for them.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you should be the one who makes the offer.

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Speaker 3: We are ready for that. Our president will extend his

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Speaker 3: talk to us on ending occupation and establishing a two

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Speaker 3: state solution, one state that is secure for Israel, one

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Speaker 3: state that is secure for the Palestinians, we're ready for

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Speaker 3: that tomorrow. But we have tried this for the last

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Speaker 3: thirty years, yes, and it has not been working. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So for whoever to say, bring the two parties together

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Speaker 3: and let them talk, this is not going to work.

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Speaker 3: I'm telling you. I was the first Palestinian who landed

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Speaker 3: in Madrid, October nineteen ninety one for the Pea Stocks.

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Speaker 3: So we have been in this exercise for more than

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Speaker 3: thirty years. Now you need a serious baradigm shift, and

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Speaker 3: that serious baradim shift is not about don't leave it

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Speaker 3: to the Palestinians and Israelis to end the conflict. President

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Speaker 3: Obama in his memoir, Yes, what did he say? The

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Speaker 3: weak to compromise. So you need a third party intervention.

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Speaker 3: The third party should be, in my opinion, Secure City

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Speaker 3: in the world. Now, the United Nations Security Council should

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Speaker 3: first allow Balistan to be admitted as a member state

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Speaker 3: Now it is time for the international community, United States

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Speaker 3: and particular to allow this resolution to be bussed ruth

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Speaker 3: as Security Council, second by lateral recognition. When President Biden

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Speaker 3: that he is a true believer in two states on

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Speaker 3: the borders of nineteen sixty seven? What is the interpretation

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Speaker 3: for this? We and the Americans and the Europeans and

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Speaker 3: the Arabs should sit down in an international conference and

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Speaker 3: delay down the specifics and the foundations and the measures

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Speaker 3: and the mechanisms of how to achieve a two stage solution,

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Speaker 3: not to continue discussing all. What we need now is

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Speaker 3: what one might call reverse engineering. Let's build the ceiling first,

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Speaker 3: and the ceiling is a state of Palestine to be

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Speaker 3: should book together a team to bring us together and say,

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Speaker 3: let's work on the borders, a demarcation of borders. Let's

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Speaker 3: work on what to do with the settlements.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know you rejected the Abraham Accords because it

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Speaker 2: ignored you. Is there some notion that you have now

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Speaker 2: that as you move forward that you could integrate if

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Speaker 2: Israel were to establish relations with Saudi Arabia, that Palestinians

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Speaker 2: could play a role there and it could help Palestine.

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Speaker 3: We have had excellent engagement with Saudi Arabia, and we

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Speaker 3: coordinated on daily basis. The Americans in knew that, but

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Speaker 3: for us the Saudis have been very good and the

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Speaker 3: soldiers had, you know, three prerequiesites. The third important prerequisite

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Speaker 3: is to settle the Palestine question, and we were grateful

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Speaker 3: for that. But look at this situation. Arabnormalization with israel

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Speaker 3: I told you should have been based on the Arab's initiative,

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Speaker 3: and that's what the Sodis are saying, but.

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Speaker 2: They were still moving forward without that.

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Speaker 3: Being the only basis. It is going to be the basis, yes,

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Speaker 3: but what did it mean for them? They are saying

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Speaker 3: to the Israelis and to the Americans that any normalization,

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Speaker 3: as Prince Mohammad Ben Salman said as the Minister of

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Speaker 3: Foreign AF first said that the Palestinian issue to be

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Speaker 3: settled as is a prerequisite for a Saudian normalization