1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Papa's Perspective, brought to you 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: by Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and a 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Mattress partner of the New York Giants. As we continue 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: celebrating one hundreds of seasons of Giants football, who better 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: to have on than the man who is arguably the 6 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: greatest NFL played by playman on TV, Al Michaels, who 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,799 Speaker 1: called Super Bowl twenty five as well as Super Bowl 8 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: forty six. We're going to focus on twenty five a 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: little bit. Al, Thanks for a couple of minutes for 10 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: joining us here on this celebration of one hundred seasons. 11 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: You know, my pleasure, Bob, because you know a lot 12 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 2: of fan bases aren't too excited with me. Certainly the 13 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills fan base no good wide, right, But with 14 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: the Giants, I'm two and zero perfect. 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: Well, let's go back to Super Bowl twenty five because 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we've become a little bit desensitized by 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: world conflict, but you know, the United States was in 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: a world conflict, and just getting into that tampas and 19 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: the security around the stadium, it was kind of a 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 1: surreal experience and something that we weren't really accustomed to. 21 00:01:08,480 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 2: About first time. I can remember driving up to a 22 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: stadium and you had concrete barriers surrounding the stadium, so 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 2: you had security on a different level at that particular point. 24 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: One of the things that we weren't able to do 25 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:29,400 Speaker 2: at ABC is fly a limp or a helicopter above 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 2: the stadium for the aerial shots. So what we had 27 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: to do is I think they found a hotel about 28 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 2: a half mile away with a great lens and put 29 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: it up on the roof and shot Tampa Stadium from 30 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 2: that angle. And that was that. And then the night 31 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 2: before the game, Dennis Swanson, who was the president of 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: ABC Sports, called Dan Dierdorff and Frank Gifford, with whom 33 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: I called the game into a meeting with a local 34 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 2: swat team. And they came into the meeting and told 35 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: us what we should do if we were held hostage 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: in the booth. Now I'm sitting there and I'm thinking, really, 37 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 2: you know, I mean, the terrorists are going to come 38 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 2: into the broadcast booth and kidnap us and hold us hostage. 39 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: And they made it seem very scary, and I walked 40 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 2: out of the meeting and I looked at him, I mean, 41 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 2: Dan Dierdorf was looking at me, and he goes, wow, 42 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:31,360 Speaker 2: you know this is this is really something. And I 43 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: walked out with Frank alone and I said, Frank, you 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,200 Speaker 2: do know what this is a bunch of guys want 45 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 2: to get into the game for free with a good 46 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: advantage point. And Frank shared one hundred percent. So that's 47 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: so many of my memories of that game, Bob deal with, 48 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: you know, things that took place around the game. And 49 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 2: it was also if you recall a very it was 50 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,919 Speaker 2: a murky, cloudy day. I don't think the sun ever 51 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 2: came out that day, and it kind of befit the 52 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: mood of the country at that point because we had 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 2: invaded a Rock trying to free up Kouwaid, whom a 54 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: Rock had invaded. So we were only about ten or 55 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 2: twelve days into this war scene and had blanket coverage 56 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: all of the networks. And here, in fact, our pregames 57 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,920 Speaker 2: are a halftime show. In fact, we didn't cover the entertainment. 58 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: We wound up going to Peter Jennings in New York 59 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: for a thirty minute report or whatever length of time 60 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: it was. But one of my other memories about this game. 61 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 2: I mean so many, as I said before the game, 62 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 2: around the game. So of course Phil Simms had gotten 63 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 2: hurt late in the season, Jeff Hostetler had taken over 64 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: as the quarterback would lead the Giants to the Promised Land. 65 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 2: And I'm down on the field about two hours before 66 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 2: the game, just walking around talking to some of the guys, 67 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: and I'm talking to Simms and Phil is standing there 68 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: on the sideline, and then parcelswock buy and Bill acknowledged me, 69 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: how are you didn't acknowledge Simms at all? And I 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 2: looked at Phil and I said nice, and Phil said, 71 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 2: if you're not playing, you might as well be dead. 72 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 2: And as I say, the sidebar stories to that game 73 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: will live forever with me. 74 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: Now because you were calling Monday Night Football during that stretch. Obviously, 75 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: the Giants got a really strong football team, so you 76 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: had a familiarity with Parcels and with this team. You know, 77 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: this matchup, with this k gun offense and the Bills 78 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: having scored a billion points in the AFC Championship game, 79 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: did you think that the Giants had a legitimate shot 80 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: to win going into the game. 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 2: Well, the Bills beat a team in the Oakland Raiders 82 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: at that point of the Los Angeles Raiders I think 83 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 2: fifty one to three, So I kind of threw that 84 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 2: off to the side, necessarily indicative of the strength versus 85 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 2: the Giants in this particular game. But I will tell 86 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 2: you this, So on I think Wednesday or Thursday, before 87 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 2: the game, it's time for our production meeting with Bill 88 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 2: Parcells and I got along for the most part, great 89 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 2: with Bill. But Bill wanted us to be in his 90 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 2: office at six point thirty in the morning at the facility, 91 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 2: and that's the only time he could meet with us. 92 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 2: So nothing like getting up, you know, with my West 93 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 2: Coast body at you know whatever. It was five forty five, 94 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: go down there. And the one thing that Bill emphasized 95 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,279 Speaker 2: over and over and over was to control the ball, 96 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 2: win the time of possession. Clearly that was the that 97 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: was the mo and clearly that was probably the most 98 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,359 Speaker 2: important factor in that game. Used the Giants control the 99 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: ball for over forty minutes, which left Kelly and Company 100 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,479 Speaker 2: and Thurman Thomas and Andre Reid with less than twenty 101 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 2: minutes of possession time. So when you look at it 102 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, that's exactly what Bill said, 103 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 2: he emphasized it over and over in that meeting, and 104 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: that's what happened. 105 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: It's interesting they go on that drive at the end 106 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: of the half, Stephen Baker catches the touchdown, Giants get 107 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,160 Speaker 1: the ball to start the third quarter, and they go 108 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: on this epic drive in the third quarter, and people 109 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 1: forget that mark Ingram's play turns out to be a 110 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: huge factor because the Giants wind up chewing off more 111 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: clock in that drive in the third quarter and eventually 112 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: score a touchdown. If he doesn't convert that third down play, 113 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: it's a field goal, and there's a lot more time 114 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: on the clock for Buffalo in the game. It's one 115 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 1: of these great effort plays that kind of signified what 116 00:06:41,279 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 1: a Parcels team was all about. 117 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: I remember that play very vividly. I also remember this 118 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 2: is the day before technologically we could do the first 119 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: down line, so you didn't know if he could. So 120 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 2: I'm looking at it and I'm calling it, and I 121 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: can see the stick on the other side, and I said, 122 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 2: he's got it, you know, And then it's one of 123 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:04,839 Speaker 2: those moments where you go, oh, if they move the 124 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: ball back a couple of diventchions. I've blown that cold, 125 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: but I remember that played perfectly. He reached out, you know, 126 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: got it by whatever. It was a couple of adventures, 127 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: and you're right that sustained what turned out to me. 128 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 2: I think about about a nine and a half minute drive. 129 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, a drive for the ages. Now Buffalo finally decides 130 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: at some point in this game to start running it 131 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: because at points in the game the Giants had one 132 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: down defensive lineman and then I think it was Everson 133 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: Walls makes the tackle on Thurman Thomas that forced the 134 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: field goal of Norwoods to be the length that it was. 135 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: But you know that whole game and it felt like 136 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: it was margins of inches that decided a lot of things. 137 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: No question. So now you know you're setting up the 138 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 2: Norwood field goal attempt grassfield forty seven yards. You know, 139 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,360 Speaker 2: the air is a little heavier than it might normally 140 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: be on the sunny day. And the great Steve Hurt, 141 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 2: who was our top research man and still works with 142 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 2: me on Thursday Night Football to this day, Steve put 143 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: up a graphic nor would lifetime one four five from 144 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 2: forty plus on grass fields had the distance but not 145 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: the accuracy. Oh yeah, And of course you know when 146 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 2: I'm calling that play. I'm not going to embellish it. 147 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 2: I mean it's a real simple call. No good, wide right, period. 148 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 2: Let it go. Let the pictures tell the story. And 149 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 2: of course you know they want to kill me in 150 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: Buffalo every time they see me. I didn't kick it. 151 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 2: What can I tell you? 152 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, do you believe in miracles? No good, 153 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: wide right? You have some of the most iconic calls 154 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: in sports history. But that's kind of the genius of 155 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: your calls is the sense that you don't premeditate things. 156 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: You let the moment happen, and then your wordsmith of 157 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: these you then come up with what is always the 158 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 1: proper phrase. 159 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,920 Speaker 2: Well, I guess if I had to redo for Buffalo fans, 160 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: I might say, do you believe in debacles? But it stands. 161 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: It stands the way it was called forever. 162 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 1: Al Let's fast forward here to Super Bowl forty six, 163 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: because you and Chris Collinsworth are on the mic for 164 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: this one. Four years earlier, the Giants had upset the 165 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: Patriots in Super Bowl forty two. This one was not 166 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 1: as much an upset, I don't think, because the Giants 167 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: went into this game with a lot of confidence. What 168 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: were some of the things that you remember from Super 169 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:37,479 Speaker 1: Bowl forty six. 170 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 2: Well, I remember number one is that the Giants got 171 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 2: in with a record of nine and seven. So there 172 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,680 Speaker 2: were only a couple of teams in the history of 173 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: the Super Bowl to that point, one of them being 174 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 2: Arizona three years prior, and they took Pittsburgh all the 175 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,600 Speaker 2: way to the end. I don't think, as I recall, 176 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 2: New England wasn't that big of a favorite. And of course, 177 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 2: in you know, the prior Super Bowl betwe those two teams. 178 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 2: It was the perfect season. So New England was the 179 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 2: far superior team, and of course one of the great 180 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 2: upsets of all time, this one figured to be a 181 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: little closer. You thought maybe New England would win the game. 182 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 2: And of course what you remember about that game in Indianapolis, 183 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 2: you know, a good place to hold the Super Bowl. 184 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,679 Speaker 2: He's just kind of condensed that city. In New Orleans, 185 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 2: you can walk around, and I thought what was really 186 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,120 Speaker 2: interesting too, is that you know it was Eli's game. 187 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 2: Eli was the MVP, and he would do it in 188 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 2: the house in effect that his brother built. Because of course, 189 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: with Peyton all of those great years in Indianapolis, and 190 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:45,359 Speaker 2: that's pretty much how they got Lucas Oil Stadium built. 191 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 2: I remember, obviously the key play in the game would 192 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: be the Mario Manningham catch down the sideline and on 193 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,880 Speaker 2: that drive that would lead them to the go ahead points. 194 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: And then on my Bradshaw, of course, who can forget 195 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: they just the Red Sea has parted going to the 196 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 2: end zone and he couldn't help himself. He realizes that, 197 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 2: you remember obviously very well. Last second he's you know, 198 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,199 Speaker 2: and then he keeps on going because New England was 199 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 2: out of timeouts at that point, and then the game ends. 200 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of those games that ended on 201 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: the very last play where Brady throws, you know, a 202 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 2: sixty yard hail Mary into the end zone and all 203 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: those bodies are there and Gronkowski can't come down with it, 204 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: and the Giants won the game again. So I remember 205 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 2: being very happy for Tom Cofflin, who was always one 206 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 2: of my favorite guys to deal with such class and style, 207 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: and I was very you know, I was very happy 208 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: for him and for New England. It was a case 209 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: of I don't know whether it was all a confidence. 210 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: I have no idea what it was necessarily in that 211 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 2: particular game itself, but they just they didn't play their 212 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 2: game and they didn't look like the Patriots had looked 213 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: during the season, and the Giants did just whatever they 214 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: had to do at bare minimum almost to win that game. 215 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: In a way, they came with another Lombardy. 216 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they had gained confidence because during the 217 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: regular season they broke the Patriots home winning streak in Foxborough, 218 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: Manning through a touchdown pass to Jake Ballard late. So 219 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: I've it almost felt like that Giants team after forty 220 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 1: two and then that regular season game in eleven almost 221 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: felt like they kind of had New England's number as 222 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: best as you could have a Brady Belichick team's number. 223 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 2: For sure. And you know, so ironic, of course, because 224 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: I mean you think of the history of Belichick and 225 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 2: of course we go back to that Super Bowl twenty 226 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: five win and who helps design that defense that was 227 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,319 Speaker 2: able to you know, limit Buffalo to nineteen points and 228 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 2: that was Bill Belichick. And of course, you know Bill 229 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 2: was on that staff and Kaughlin was on that staff 230 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: back in twenty five. They both went on to you know, 231 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:55,440 Speaker 2: usually successful coaching careers. So I mean it's kind of 232 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: funny you look at the you know, you're doing the 233 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: history of the Giants and the juxtaposition. You know, as 234 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 2: a kid growing up in Brooklyn, my introduction to the 235 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: national football he was my father taking me to Yankee 236 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 2: Stadium to watch the Giants. So I was a big 237 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: Giants fan and I actually saw Frank Gifford play, and 238 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: then I wound up working with Frank for twelve years 239 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 2: on Monday Night football. So I have come full circle 240 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 2: with the NYG What. 241 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: A perfect way to ended I was going to ask 242 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: you about your youth and the being in New York 243 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: when there was the New York Football Giants and the 244 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: only football team in New York. But that's a perfect 245 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: way to end it. You and the Hall of Famer 246 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: Frank Gifford working together after seeing him play as a kid. 247 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: Really nice career. 248 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 2: Full circle, oh for sure, no question about it. You know. 249 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 2: And growing up in Brooklyn, believe it or not. My neighbor, 250 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 2: you know, we in an apartment building on Ocean Avenue 251 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 2: that we lived in and two doors down Shid Luckman 252 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 2: was living there and Sit of course was the iconic 253 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 2: Chicago Bears quarterback. He had just retired, and we to 254 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 2: play punch bowl out on the street and one day, 255 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 2: you know, we were so excited to see Sid Luckman. 256 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: Mister Luckman, do you want to play with us? And 257 00:14:07,760 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: he actually played with us for a couple of minutes. 258 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 2: Hit the bolt like two sewers in those punch bowl vays, 259 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,800 Speaker 2: and you know, just to make the thread between Frank, 260 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: Franklin and Sid we're great, great friends. And then when 261 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 2: I was doing Monday night football in Chicago, like in 262 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: the late nineties, get to town and Frank says, what 263 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: are you doing for dinner? I said nothing. He said, 264 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: come with me. We're going over to Gibson's across the street, 265 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 2: partially owned by Sid Luckman. And then Sid sat down, so, 266 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:40,000 Speaker 2: you know, to go back and have all of these connections, 267 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 2: it's just it's exciting. It's great to think about it. 268 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 2: You don't want to get into out the cocker land, 269 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 2: you know, know that, but it's great. It's great fun 270 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 2: to think about some of the things that took place 271 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: in the past. That's awesome. 272 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: We appreciate a couple of minutes. Thank you so much 273 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: for joining us and sharing your experiences as we celebrate 274 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: one hundred seasons. 275 00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: See you soon, Bob, anytime. 276 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: The Great Al Michaels joining us in this edition of 277 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: Poppa's Perspective, brought to you by Bob's Discount Furniture, the 278 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 1: official furniture store and a mattress partner of the New 279 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: York Giants.