1 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 1: Hey, I Do Part two. It's Ben Higgins jumping in 2 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: for a very special episode on the pod, and I'm 3 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: joined by one of your favorite hosts, one of my 4 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 1: favorite hosts, Kathy Swartz. 5 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: Hello, Kathy, Hello there, Ben. 6 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Now, this is I Do Part two, the pod that's 7 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: all about never giving up on love and hopefully finding 8 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: love again. In chapter two, today, we're gonna be talking 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: with one of the stars of the new Amazon Prime 10 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: show It's not like that, Kathy. We both watched. We 11 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: both were just talking about how much we enjoyed it. 12 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,520 Speaker 1: Aaron in this Aaron Hayes, who is our guest today, 13 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: is fantastic. 14 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: Do you agree. 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 3: I think she's fabulous, and it's amazing since she's married 16 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 3: to her high school sweetheart and has two kids. 17 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, she's really good at pulling deep. Here, 18 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: let's bring Aaron in to talk to her about this 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: new Amazon Prime show that I think everybody should watch. 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: It's not like that Hillon. 21 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:25,279 Speaker 3: Well, I just want to say Aaron that I've watched 22 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: the first three episodes and for me, my husband passed 23 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 3: away and it was such a really good representation of 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: what it's like to walk that journey of grief. 25 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 4: And oh wow. 26 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, and just it just reminds me of the ripple 27 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:46,400 Speaker 3: effect death, divorce, any kind of loss has on your 28 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: family and friends. 29 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 5: So my hat is off to you guys. It's a 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 5: great show. 31 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you for watching. And I'm so glad 32 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 6: that you had that experience, Like it's nice to hear 33 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 6: from people that we are doing that process justice. 34 00:01:59,560 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 4: You know. 35 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: It's you know, I think the show watching it, it 36 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: does a fantastic job, and especially early on, of introducing 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: these two stories, you know, separate but different, and how 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: they intertwined together. 39 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: Obviously you know your character. 40 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: Has gone through a divorce and your co stars character 41 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: has just recently lost their wife. It starts, at least 42 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: in episode one, with the family dynamics of this. Yeah, 43 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: I think my question for you here is kind of 44 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 1: how did you bring in this insight? Obviously you're married 45 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: to your high school sweetheart, you have two children, So 46 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: how do you kind of bring in the accuracy that 47 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: Kathy is speaking about into how this whole both dynamics work. 48 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 6: Well, it's I mean that part of it, I'll be honest, 49 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 6: was a little bit tricky because I have not gotten 50 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 6: a divorce, but I am still like, I'm twenty one 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 6: years married, but my parents got divorced when I was fourteen, 52 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 6: and it really threw my whole world upside down. So 53 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 6: like pulling on that or realizing that, like, how would 54 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 6: I have parented myself? 55 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 7: How would I have liked to have been parented through 56 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,920 Speaker 7: that hard time I was? I thought a lot about 57 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 7: in terms of meeting my character with a little bit 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 7: of grace and understanding, And then you know, I don't. 59 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 7: I think there's very few lives in this world that 60 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 7: have not been touched by loss. 61 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 3: I have. 62 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: I like, literally I have not had a very very 63 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 4: close friend to me pass, but I have had lots 64 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 4: of friends who have had very close people pass very 65 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 4: like you know, tight tight best friends. Talk to some 66 00:03:57,240 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 4: of them. 67 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 6: There's so many great books out there about the grieving process, 68 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 6: about divorce, all of it. So I've picked up a 69 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 6: couple of those. 70 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 7: And then I have to just give a lot of 71 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 7: the credit to our writers because it was baked into 72 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 7: the script. You know, it was just the specifics that 73 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 7: then we were, you know, conversations we had about how 74 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 7: we might feel in each moment, but so much. 75 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 6: Of it was already was already right there in the. 76 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: Script grief is I mean, I've leaned and heard Kathy's 77 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: story multiple times, but grief usually is a concept for 78 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: a show, like it's a story piece of a show, 79 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily something with the. 80 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 2: Show leads with. 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: But this, this show leads with grief, which I think 82 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: is very relatable because so many of us have experienced 83 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: grief and pain. And I kind of believe that everybody 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: has experienced some type of grief and pain. What made 85 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: you jump on the show and say, yes, I want 86 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: to do it knowing that grief was such a focus, 87 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: at least early on in the in the storyline. 88 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was so drawn to this show. And I 89 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 6: think because of that, you know, they they really you know, 90 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 6: grief sneaks up on you and in moments that you 91 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 6: don't expect. In there's there's just such a there was 92 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 6: such a beautiful moment in the pilot that I was like, Oh, 93 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 6: this this is where they've gotten it right, you know, 94 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 6: because Scott Foley's character, you know, his he lost his wife, 95 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 6: who was my best friend. And to lose your best friend, 96 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 6: to lose your wife, to have, you know, to have 97 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 6: your new best friend become your wife's partner, you know, 98 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,559 Speaker 6: the husband where she's you know, they're in a car 99 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 6: and she's there. Both have had terrible days and she 100 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 6: wants to complain to her friend and she does, and 101 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 6: then he lightens the moment and he makes a joke, 102 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 6: and I think for me, it was that moment where 103 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 6: I was like, Oh, this is when you need your 104 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 6: best friend, and that's and then she pivots and is like, 105 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 6: I miss Jenny. Because at first I was like, how 106 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 6: do I get from this place to I miss Jenny? 107 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 6: It was like, oh, that's why, because she's talking to 108 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 6: the wrong person, but the right person is no longer there, 109 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 6: and that is so specific and it's so painful when 110 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 6: you just need that one person to talk to but 111 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,160 Speaker 6: they can't, they can't be there anymore. And I loved 112 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 6: the way they wrote that, and I was like, if 113 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 6: they get this, which is also such a female perspective, 114 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 6: you know, about like how we talk to our best friends. 115 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 6: I'm in safe hands. You know, this is going to 116 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 6: be good. It's going to be nuanced, it's going to 117 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 6: deal with the complicated nature of it, the little moments 118 00:06:58,000 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 6: that that sneak up all of that. 119 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 3: I find it interesting though we don't talk about grief. 120 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 3: There aren't many shows that focus on griefs. It's a 121 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 3: very uncomfortable topic. And that's why I find this so interesting. 122 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm glad you feel that way, because it's true. 123 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 6: Like where we meet them, it's not right after a 124 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 6: lot of you know, shows might show the week after 125 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 6: where it's so fresh and it's so raw. But to 126 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 6: kind of start these meet these characters maybe ten months 127 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 6: into their grief journey when most people kind of think, right, 128 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 6: you should be back to normal and getting on with 129 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 6: your life. And to have two people that really understand 130 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 6: each other's grief so well and can talk about it, 131 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 6: and and the way they with the kids too, that 132 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 6: it's very discussed. It is on these lingering effects of 133 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 6: if you know, if you watch episode three, it's like 134 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 6: they have a means to go through moms stuff and 135 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,560 Speaker 6: like how each person is going to deal with that 136 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 6: moment of you know, quote unquote moving on. 137 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 1: Aaron, Kathy and I are both people who openly and 138 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: passionately express our faith. Faith is a huge element of 139 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: this show. Yeah, here is something that I think I 140 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: want you to speak on. 141 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: Okay, grew up in. 142 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: The church, still actively involved. I would never tell anybody 143 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: for the first thirty five years of my life to 144 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: watch any Christian television. It was poorly made, it was goofy, 145 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: it was awkward, it was oftentimes that acting like there 146 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: was just all this like low budget, like there were 147 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: so many things that were like it was made fun of, 148 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 1: like why would we not? 149 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 2: Why would do this? The Wonder Project. 150 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: I know the people that started the Wonder Project, well, 151 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:02,359 Speaker 1: they've done a couple things that are spitular. It's spectacular, 152 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: will be well done. I believe the show is one 153 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: of them. If I think if people didn't know, they 154 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: would never know that this was, you know, a faith 155 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: backed show. I really want you, though, to kind of 156 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: tell the listeners and the audience here that this is 157 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: different than maybe what they imagine Christian television to look like. 158 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think here, here's the thing. I 159 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 6: did not grow up particularly religious at all. My parents 160 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 6: were a little more New Age and but have deeply 161 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 6: instilled in me a lot of the tenants of it. 162 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 6: You know, love your neighbor and be kind of people, 163 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 6: and lead with grace and like all of these kind 164 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 6: of things. So I like, there is that thing about 165 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 6: Christian television or faith based television. And I would say 166 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 6: that our show is a show about families, and Scott 167 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 6: fully plays a pastor, like that's the thing. It's so 168 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 6: it's showing the reality of a pastor words and all, 169 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 6: and really humanizing that and making him a real person. 170 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 6: And it's more I feel like it's there if you 171 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 6: want it, and it's really not if you're not looking 172 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 6: for you know, it's more like, yes, every character might 173 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 6: have their separate, different relationship with faith with God, but 174 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 6: this is not a show that is preaching to you 175 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:39,160 Speaker 6: about that. It's a show about personal relationships and some 176 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 6: of our things. Some of the scenes take place at 177 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 6: a church. Well. 178 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 3: I also think though that that you the show is great, 179 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 3: that it shows the struggle of adolescence, fighting with parents, 180 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: their parents about church and their faith and struggling with that. 181 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 5: I just think it encompasses so much many aspects. 182 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 3: Of family life in addition to dealing with divorce laws. 183 00:11:06,720 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, it is interesting to me too, because you know, 184 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 6: I think my best friend when I was a kid, 185 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 6: her dad was a pastor and uh, and I remember like, oh, 186 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 6: it was so foreign to me getting to go to 187 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 6: Sunday school with her, like have a sleepover Saturday night 188 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 6: and then get to go to Sunday school and be like, mom, 189 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 6: they have the best snacks. Mom, we get to like 190 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,719 Speaker 6: go and hang out. And she's like, okay, listen, if 191 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 6: that's what you're if you want to go, then you 192 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 6: could do that. I moved schools and I did not 193 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 6: keep in touch with her, but it was so interesting 194 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 6: to me because I don't know that life, you know, 195 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 6: And like, the conversations that are had on the show 196 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 6: about religion are for the most part between a pastor 197 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 6: and his children, and they are they're about like, how 198 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 6: do you reconcile your faith when you lose someone very 199 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 6: close to you and that's not what you know? You know, 200 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 6: how how can like his daughter asks her like, I 201 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:08,719 Speaker 6: don't know how you can go back there after this, 202 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 6: and he's like, well, this isn't you know. So they 203 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 6: have that conversation, that conversation, and it kind of like 204 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 6: pulls the you know, pulls the shade away from what 205 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 6: it might be to to grow up as a pique, 206 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 6: as a as a pastor's kid, and all that that 207 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 6: entails at school and at home. So the religious aspect 208 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 6: of the show, I think is very grounded in what 209 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 6: the reality, and it's not forced into moments to just 210 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 6: to put it out there. 211 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: I think you said that really well, it doesn't feel forced, 212 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: and I think in the past faith based programming felt forced. 213 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,440 Speaker 1: There was this struggle and then there's this like miraculous 214 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: turnaround and everything seems to be peachy, you know, peachy 215 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 1: and good. What I enjoyed and what I enjoy about 216 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: television in general and storytelling is you use the words, 217 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: and I think it's true. It humanizes the characters. I 218 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: think your show really humanizes the experience of a pastor 219 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: trying to process loss and as you know, your best 220 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,200 Speaker 1: friend who was lost and you going through divorce on 221 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: the show, how you're processing it. And it reveals these 222 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 1: these conversations that we don't see in faith programming often 223 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: about a desire for intimacy physical intimacy again, yeah, a 224 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 1: desire for you to say, hey, I need to be 225 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: bitchy for a little bit. I think it just it 226 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: feels more real than what others did. And I think 227 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: that's healthy because I watch it and I relate. I 228 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: watched other faith programming and I said, I that's not me, Like, 229 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: that's not my household. 230 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,199 Speaker 6: They're not like, yeah, I think that they've they've done 231 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 6: a beautiful job of These are people going through things 232 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 6: that make mistakes and don't always say the right thing, 233 00:13:59,240 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 6: and they are not gonna have maybe the perfect parenting moment. 234 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 6: You know, you might walk away and be like, that's 235 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:07,959 Speaker 6: not don't all what I meant to say to my child. 236 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 6: Now she's mad at me with that, And like I like, 237 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 6: when I'm watching, I'm like, this is a family show 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 6: at its heart. It's about as religious as nobody wants this, 239 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 6: you know, like it's just it's yeah, it's it's it's family, 240 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 6: and it's not pushing that. And that's what drew me 241 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 6: to honestly, drew me to it was that it wasn't 242 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 6: like it's foreign to me. So I'm like, okay, let's 243 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 6: let's let's dive in. Let's see what we can make here. 244 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 6: Without being being preachy to people. 245 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 3: I want to add, I think that it is not 246 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,280 Speaker 3: just about a man and a woman adults. 247 00:14:47,400 --> 00:14:49,360 Speaker 5: I think it is a family show. 248 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 3: I could well imagine my children were older when my 249 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 3: husband died, But I could well imagine that had they 250 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 3: been younger, that would have been a really good show. 251 00:14:59,440 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 5: Yeah. 252 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 6: I've got messages from friends that like are watching it 253 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 6: with like their twelve year old and really because I 254 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 6: think that that we have a storyline, you know, with 255 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 6: the like the preteen girls, and this is I mean, 256 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 6: it's happened in my life where your best friend and 257 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 6: the kids grow up together and then all of a 258 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 6: sudden they don't like each other anymore. And you're like, 259 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 6: but hanging out used to be so easy, and we 260 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 6: can make all these plans and I can make plin 261 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 6: and then would just be there and now it's like 262 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 6: you and I can do something right, but are like, 263 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 6: hopefully they'll grow out of it or hopefully they'll come 264 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 6: back together. 265 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 5: And that's what's just so amazing is the layering in 266 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 5: the show. 267 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 3: I just, I just it's not just about faith, it's 268 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: not just about loss, it's not just about divorce. It 269 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 3: really encompasses so many family aspects that we all go 270 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: through it sometime or another. 271 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 6: Yeah. 272 00:15:49,840 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: Absolutely, Aaron on this podcast. 273 00:16:03,120 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: One of the topics that it's always brought up because 274 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: this show is about that second chapter and about finding 275 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: love again, and you know, reference to today's conversation, it's 276 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: obviously about a divorce. And a loss of a spouse. 277 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: But in your own personal life, I think, just so 278 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: people can get to know you better, how do you 279 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: find the ability to love yourself every day? You know, 280 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: you have this incredible story with your high school sweetheart 281 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: and your two kids, But how do you personally find 282 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: you know, that second renewal of love. 283 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's I mean, I think for like most of us, 284 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 6: it's a struggle. It's like day to day, right, like, 285 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 6: how much are you I find that I am? Well, 286 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 6: I don't know. I'll answer it this way. Let me 287 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 6: know if you if this was what you met, like, 288 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 6: I find that I'm most fulfilled when i'm you know, 289 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 6: like having it all. And I mean like did I 290 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 6: get outside a little bit today? Did I do Did 291 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 6: I have some time with my children that felt meaningful? 292 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 6: Have I laughed with my husband? Have I exercise? Have 293 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 6: I exercised? You know, did I like, do one nice 294 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 6: thing in the house or did I talk to a 295 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 6: hang out with a friend. I mean, you can't keep 296 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 6: all your cups filled all the time. But if I 297 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 6: you know, hit three out of five and one of 298 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 6: them involves like doing something nice for my husband or 299 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 6: doing something nice for my children, then usually I feel like, 300 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 6: you know, a little pat on the back, like I 301 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 6: feel all right, I feel a little full. But there 302 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 6: are those times, and it's interesting like with the show, 303 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 6: because I think we meet her at one of these 304 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 6: early times where which is a very typical mom experience. 305 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 6: You know, we are trying to make everything okay for 306 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 6: everybody else all the time. We want our kids to 307 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,119 Speaker 6: be okay. We even like she's even taking care of 308 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 6: her ex husband because she doesn't know how not to 309 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 6: do that. She wants to take care of Malcolm. She 310 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 6: wants to do so it's like you see Lorie like 311 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 6: giving and giving and trying to wrestle with how do 312 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 6: I take care of myself? I think me as an actor, 313 00:18:24,760 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 6: like I have a lot of time off in between 314 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:30,119 Speaker 6: jobs a lot of times, you know, like we're not like, 315 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 6: oh so overworked, We're just like, please give me work 316 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 6: so that in the time off I can I can 317 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 6: take time for myself, usually especially when the kids are 318 00:18:42,680 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 6: at school and you know they're sixteen and eighteen now, 319 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 6: so they drive, so there's like a lot less to 320 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 6: do so I can have that time. But it's interesting, 321 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 6: like where we meet this character is that she doesn't 322 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 6: know how to do. 323 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 1: That yet, Kathy, do you feel that way not to 324 00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: turn this conversation on? 325 00:18:58,880 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 6: No, please? 326 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 5: Did I feel which way? 327 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: Like there wasn't enough, you know, after especially after your loss, 328 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: like that you're taking care of everybody else, So. 329 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 5: You know, for me, my. 330 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: Struggle was a little bit more difficult because of the 331 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 3: nature of my husband's death and my kids were older. 332 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 6: How old were they, can I ask. 333 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, My daughter was thirty two and a son 334 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 3: thirty six, and a son about that thirty thirty two 335 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 3: in their thirties, and one grandchild, And so for me 336 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,880 Speaker 3: it was it was very difficult to I found I 337 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 3: really struggled to meet my kid's needs. I couldn't even 338 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: meet my own needs when he died. So it's a 339 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 3: little bit different now. I think that's why this show 340 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 3: resonates with me so much now, because it's almost looking 341 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,720 Speaker 3: in the rear view mirror of coming up on his 342 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: seventh anniversary of his death, And for me, his death 343 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: was a suicide, and so it was a very different 344 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 3: kind of the character on the show. He has time 345 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 3: to process that she's dying of cancer, and I think 346 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 3: that makes a difference. So for me, it's a little 347 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 3: bit different. But that's why I appreciate this show so much. 348 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 3: I get to reflect on how my life has changed, 349 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,199 Speaker 3: and it actually gives me a lot of hope that 350 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: I've come so far, because grief is a journey that 351 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 3: you just keep walking through. 352 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 4: You. 353 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I'm glad that you are sitting in a 354 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 6: comfortable space watching this experience that me coming on this 355 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 6: podcast wasn't mess. 356 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 3: Oh no, thoroughly, I really thoroughly. I actually would kind 357 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 3: of like my kids to watch. I think they would 358 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 3: benefit from it as well. 359 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: I'm good now, Aaron. 360 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 1: That kind of wraps us up here to really the 361 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: final chapter for viewers out there, are people curious about 362 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: what we're speaking about today. What do you hope they 363 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: get out of watching this show? What do you hope 364 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: there are overall experiences. 365 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 6: Listen? Number one? I hope they're entertained. Number two, I 366 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 6: hope we can. You know, I love the messages of 367 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 6: this show is it's really kind of how do we 368 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 6: meet other people and ourselves with a little bit of 369 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 6: grace and kindness, you know, because we don't we think 370 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 6: we know what people are going through. We don't know 371 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 6: what anybody is going through and so to meet somebody 372 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 6: from a place of understanding and kindness. I guess that's 373 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 6: what I would like people to take from this show. 374 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 3: And how to support I think you're you at your character. 375 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: You do a great job of showing how to support people, 376 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 3: children and other and adults going through this. 377 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,400 Speaker 6: So my head, I love this because I tell you, 378 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 6: like in my my own personal and my friends will 379 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:04,239 Speaker 6: know this, like, oh, I will mother ever anybody you 380 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,919 Speaker 6: let me mother you. I just like, come come here, 381 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 6: let me brush your hair, Let's hold your hand. I 382 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,879 Speaker 6: want to I'll tell you, I'll tell you some heart's truth, 383 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,159 Speaker 6: but I'll also want to snuggle you afterwards when we 384 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 6: watch some television. So I love like and I love 385 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 6: the children on this show so much, like I just 386 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 6: get to mother more people, please. That fills my heart. 387 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: It's really well done. We wouldn't be speaking about it 388 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 1: today unless it was for anybody listening who will come 389 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 1: across this. Be sure to check out it's not like 390 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: that on Amazon Prime. 391 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: It's out now. 392 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 1: The star one of the stars of the show, Aaron Hayes, 393 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: has been with us today. Aaron, thank you so much 394 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 1: for doing this and being a part of this project 395 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: and jumping on and talking to us today. 396 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 6: Of course, so happy to talk to you guys lovely. 397 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 3: Are you in your chapter two and struggling to get 398 00:22:56,200 --> 00:23:00,280 Speaker 3: back into the dating scene? Need some advice? Call us 399 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 3: or email us. All the info is in the show notes. 400 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 3: Follow us on socials. 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