1 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, well, well, we're finally getting to an episode 2 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: that we have been looking forward to for a long 3 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: long time. Today we're doing banned Books. That's right, YouTube Aerosmith, 4 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: the story of two talking heads, the Rolling Stones, talking 5 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: about ben No, I'm talking about today's episode. Let's see 6 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: what she did. I had to get rid of this 7 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: joke immediately, and you're a fool. I love you. Welcome 8 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: to Ridiculous History, folks. We promised that the rest of 9 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: the jokes you will here will be at least better 10 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: than the one we opened with. That's how you do it. 11 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: You set the bar low and then everything is just cake. 12 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: After that, everything is just bonus icing. That's the way 13 00:01:11,319 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: you and I approach a lot of things, man, bonus icing. Yes, 14 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: And speaking of bonuses, we are, as always immensely privileged 15 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:26,559 Speaker 1: to have our super producer, Casey Pegram with us today. 16 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: And you know, jokes aside, this, this is a fascinating episode. 17 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: And this is a little bit like a list for us, 18 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: sort of a listical what what? What? What does a 19 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 1: list make? Three? Three is the minimum number required to 20 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: make a list, which is a rule I agree with 21 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: I just made up back in our YouTube video days, 22 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 1: because you know, we would have to have shows that 23 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: we're list based, and there would be things where you know, 24 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: five is a great number for a list, but three 25 00:01:57,520 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: is the minimum. Three is the minimum. It almost is 26 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: like ship you didn't want to go the extra mile 27 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: and do for us, and even for the answer to 28 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: that today, my friends, is no, we've got a solid three. 29 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: We've got a solid three. We've got some other things 30 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: that might interest you. And this this episode is kind 31 00:02:13,720 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: of inspired by our earlier discussion previous episode on the 32 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: dilemma of progress versus preservations. True, So we're talking about 33 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: these books that have been suppressed or yanked out of 34 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: popular society literally physically yanked out of children's hands at times, yes, 35 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,240 Speaker 1: you know, by constables or something. I don't know, right, 36 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: And now the police, the book police, got I hope 37 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 1: they're real. Wait, no, no, because I know what's going 38 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: to happen in this episode. No, they are real, And 39 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: I don't like you go on it. You don't want that, 40 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: you don't want none of that. Thank you for saving 41 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: me there, And I'll keep your books, man, you gotta 42 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: keep them. So usually when we think of books being banned, 43 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: we think of you know, fictional things like uh, they 44 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: catch her in the Rise to Kill a Mockingbird is 45 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: is one that comes up, and you know, it's still 46 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: taught in school, but it is one that some schools 47 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: are uncomfortable with, right exactly. But what we're looking at 48 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 1: today is the other side of the genre equation. You see. 49 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: It's not just fictional books that get band burned or 50 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: pulled from the market. Yeah, and we could argue that 51 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: this is uh, you know, more important in many ways 52 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: than than, uh than banning works of fiction, which obviously 53 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: are culturally valuable. But we're talking about hard stuff here, 54 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: hard science, science fact. Yes, yes, things that literally changed 55 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: our understanding of the world. But to this day, some 56 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: of these books are still looked at by many. We're 57 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 1: gonna get into that too. Oh yes, yes, we have 58 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: we have a great uh, we have a great example 59 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: of reference that you found that we are going to 60 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 1: have to put in at some point in the episode. 61 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's gonna be fun. It's that we we're 62 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: gonna have a musical guest. Yeah, we're gonna have a 63 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: musical guest. It's gonna be uh, not not the first time, 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: but one of the most enjoyable slash disturbing. So who 65 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: do we have first? The first banded book, Well, it 66 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: was written by a fellow named Galileo GALILEI have you 67 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: heard that song by the Indigo Girls? I love it, 68 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: always thinking of it as we were going in today 69 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 1: a t L hometown heroes. It's like Galileo or something 70 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 1: something something over a couple of beers. I am now, 71 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: how long till my soul get right? Can any human be? 72 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: He never reached that kind of life? Then? Right, beautiful 73 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: singing voice. Oh my god, it's cool, it's it's you 74 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: know that. It's an interesting um. They do a good 75 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: job of sort of personifying the quandary that Galileo faced 76 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: because he was an innovator, He thought big, He had 77 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:57,679 Speaker 1: big ideas, and that was not particularly popular with many 78 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: of the folks in power, especially the Because we're talking 79 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: about the Copernican view of the solar system, right, yes, yes, 80 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: uh Helio centrism, the radical notion that, despite the spiritual implications, 81 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,720 Speaker 1: the Earth revolved around the Sun rather than the Sun 82 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: and all things revolving around Earth. Now, I'm a little 83 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: foggy about why that be, that being the Ptolemaic model, correct, 84 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: why does one or the other imply more or less 85 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 1: of a god. So the controversy from a spiritual sense 86 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: is that Earth and humanity are the protagonist of the universe. 87 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: Got it, They're the main characters. That makes sense, you know. 88 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: So there there's the way a child thinks, probably right, 89 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: or many adults. But the thing that was interesting about 90 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: this as well is that other astronomy, or it's not 91 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: just you know, spiritual leaders, but other astronomers tried to 92 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: find what they felt were quantitative arguments against heliocentrism. But 93 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: his book, The Dialogue concerning the two Chief World Systems 94 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Totlemaic and Copernican, was a little too solid to uh, 95 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: to be taken down just by attempts at rebuttaled arguments. 96 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: It's true, and the Spanish Inquisition gets into this game 97 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 1: pretty quick, right in sixteen eleven. They kind of caught 98 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: wind of Galileo and him espousing these Copernican views, but 99 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,679 Speaker 1: they sort of, you know, kept their distance. They didn't 100 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: come a gun in for him right away, and he 101 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 1: was allowed even he had pals in the in the 102 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: papacy in the Vatican Um who kind of gave him 103 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 1: some leeway. I guess they allowed him to espouse these 104 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: views as long as he couched them as being mathematical theory, 105 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: which is a theme that comes into play with some 106 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: of our other list entries. Right, Yeah, they micro managed 107 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: the pants off this guy. He originally intended to title 108 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 1: this work Dialogue on the Two Chief World Systems, the 109 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: Dialogue on the Ebb and Flow of the Sea, but 110 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: the Inquisition made him remove the reference to tides in 111 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: the title. This this twenty years later too, they've they'd 112 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: known about him since the early they had their eye 113 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: on him, and they they're like, all right, let's see 114 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: what this uh rabbel rouser gets up to. Then, in 115 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: sixteen sixty he kept having complaints filed against him, right 116 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: for for his views and for him his willingness to 117 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: openly speak about this and to publish these works um 118 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: and he finally had a complaint lodged against him, a 119 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: written complaint with the Inquisition, specifically against Galileo's Copernican views. 120 00:07:54,520 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: And Galileo responded by defending his views to a person 121 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: by the name of Monsignor Piero Dini, who was a 122 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: official at the Vatican Um. And then he also wrote 123 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:11,119 Speaker 1: his famous letter to the Grand Duchess Christina basically saying, 124 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: come on, I'm just asking questions here. You know, I 125 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: should be free to explore the meaning of of the 126 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: universe in existence without you meddling in my affairs, you know, 127 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: get out of my face, Rome, right, and let's let's 128 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: dive into a little bit of this here. So earlier, 129 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: Pope Urban the eighth had himself asked Galileo to argue 130 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: for and against helio centrism because they were kind of 131 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 1: personal friends. It was as much as you can be 132 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: with a pope, right. He asked him to put these 133 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: arguments in the book and to be careful not to 134 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: advocate helio centrism, sort of pull a pull a mainstream 135 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 1: news thing, present both sides of the arc exactly. And 136 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: he asked for another favor, and he said, hey, Galileo, 137 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: can you put my purse views about this in the book? 138 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: And Galileo did. But the problem is that the presenter 139 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: of the geocentric view that Earth is the middle of everything, uh, 140 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: the defender of that in the book is a guy 141 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,680 Speaker 1: named Simplicio, not the most complimentary name, and it's like 142 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 1: he has he's some sort of simp simple. Yeah, he 143 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: comes off like adult, Yes, a dunderhead, yeah, an income boop, 144 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 1: got it. And Galileo takes the things that Pope Urban 145 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: says and puts them in Simplicio's voice, and so the 146 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: Pope feels publicly ridiculed and is no longer a fan 147 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 1: of Galileo. G So Galileo gets called to Rome to 148 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: defend his controversial writings. Uh. He arrives in February of 149 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 1: six three, and he is brought to the inquisitors. And 150 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: it's also just point out that about a decade prior, 151 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: in sixteen sixteen, he was formally accused of heresy already, 152 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: so he was he was not. You know, the fact 153 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: that he was buddies with Pope Urban probably is what 154 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,320 Speaker 1: got his butt out of the frying pan a time 155 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: or two. But now he has literally piste off the 156 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: one guy that was going to help him, you know, 157 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 1: dodge the inquisitors. And you know, no one expects the 158 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 1: Spanish inquisition, right, we made it, We made it. It happened. Yeah, 159 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 1: he had a past, and nol I think you put 160 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:36,839 Speaker 1: it very well when you when you talk about how 161 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: he's almost always skirting by, just on the edge, and 162 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: when it all comes to a head in sixteen thirties. Right, 163 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: in sixteen thirty three, he is interrogated. He's like seventy 164 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: at this point. He's interrogated for eighteen days straight. They 165 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: eventually say, look, we're going to torture you if you 166 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: don't tell us what we want to hear. Well, it's like, 167 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: what do they want him to say? I mean as 168 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: what they want him to confess to? What exactly? Because 169 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: a scientist like he didn't, I don't understand. I think 170 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: they just wanted him to renounce his views. I think 171 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,199 Speaker 1: that's what they were after, right, They wanted him to 172 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: print him retraction. Yeah, he was specifically required in the 173 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,320 Speaker 1: sentence they delivered in June twenty second to sixty three, 174 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: he was required to abjure, curse, and detest his heliocentric opinions. 175 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: That's right. They were basically saying that he had made 176 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: too strong a case for the Copernican view of the 177 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: Solar system. And so what's the outcome here? Right, he's 178 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: alienated the pope, he's no longer under his protection. He 179 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,719 Speaker 1: does get this sentence, They tell him to renounce everything. Uh. 180 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: They lay a few other clauses on him too. Uh, 181 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: but do they kill him, do they what happens? Nah? 182 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,200 Speaker 1: They just kind of like do the U six hundreds 183 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 1: equivalent of like the old ankle bracelet you know where 184 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 1: you gotta you can't leave? That's right, he is he 185 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: is a permanent time out. He gets put on a 186 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 1: house arrest for the rest of his life. Yeah. And 187 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: I think they ban his work out right, m like, 188 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: like any of it? And is that? Is that right? 189 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: Publication of anything he wrote was forbidden, including anything that 190 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: he might write in the future. But of course, you know, 191 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: as smart people are often able to do. He persevered 192 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 1: and did continue to write. He figured out how to 193 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah. Yeah, and you have to wonder is 194 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: that a fate worse than death? To be so smart 195 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: and so enterprising and be told that we're not going 196 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: to kill you, but you cannot do the one thing 197 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:51,839 Speaker 1: they gave your life meaning. And now it makes me 198 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,959 Speaker 1: think of the really amazing scene in the Tanya Harding movie, 199 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: which I really recommend if you guys haven't seen it, 200 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: where she the judge passes down the sentence. This isn't 201 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: a spoiler because this was in the news, you know, right. 202 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: I think we're good here, um, and the judge says, 203 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 1: you're not going to go to jail, but you can't 204 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: skate professionally anymore. Ever, again, you can't compete. And she's 205 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: just like in tears and it's like, you know, her 206 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: conspirators or whatever they got jail time. He's like, just 207 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: tell me to jail. I just don't. I can't. If 208 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: I can't skate, what's the point? You know? This is like, yeah, 209 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: but as you said, no, he does remain in the 210 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: historical record, and the mark he left on the human 211 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: effort to understand the world in the universe around us 212 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: remains profound and crucial. Today we didn't even talk about 213 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 1: his book The Starry Messenger. We're using his prototype for 214 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: the modern day telescope. Um. He was able to observe 215 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: celestial bodies and and write things down about them before 216 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: I believe anybody else. Wow, Yeah, that's I mean, that's fantastic. 217 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: We could do an entire series of shows on the 218 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: historical significance of Galileo. It's kind of a shame that 219 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: we have to move on. It really is what we're 220 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: moving on to um some equally fascinating territory. This may 221 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: well be the most infamous book on our list or 222 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: the most well known by you know, the average Jane 223 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:28,000 Speaker 1: Joe walking around. For sure. It is on the origin 224 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: of species by means of natural selection. Can we get 225 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: a crazy sound? Cue drop Charles Darwin, perfect yeah, Charles Darwin, 226 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 1: Charles Darwin, Charlie Dean him yeah to his friends. He 227 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: was a fascinating character. So what did his what? What 228 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: did his book ultimately argue? No, the crux of its 229 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 1: argument was a little thing called evolution. Hoo hoo, hoo 230 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 1: hoo um is not the most palatable thing to certain 231 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: folks of certain religious persuasions. In the same way that 232 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: Galileo's ideas challenged these views, this challenged a lot as 233 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 1: well in terms of, you know, if we evolved from 234 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: other more lower species than we were, not made in 235 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: God's image, Adam and Eve's out the window. A lot 236 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: of things kind of go out the window when you 237 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: start to buy into his findings. Right, we see again 238 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: a an analog here or a similar theme as we 239 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: saw in the books by Galileo, Because the heliocentric argument 240 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: is a bit of a kick or a bruise to 241 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: the ego of the human species, and in a way, 242 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: the on the origin of species is also a kick 243 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,239 Speaker 1: to humanity because it's saying you are not this singular 244 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: thing that was ate out a whole cloth. You are 245 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: the result of a process that was here before you 246 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: and will function long after you were gone. It's very true, man. 247 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: And just just a quick little summary of of of 248 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: Charlie Um. He was a naturalist, biologist, a geologist, um, 249 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: very very versatile man in his learned nous um. And 250 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 1: he believed that all species of life evolved or descended 251 00:16:27,800 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: from a common ancestor. Right. What was that common ancestor for? 252 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: For man? Oh, the primates, the primates, right, all right? 253 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 1: And so, like we said before, this was not met 254 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: with the most open arms from religious leaders. Uh. And 255 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: this is a thing that still goes on today. So 256 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: let's just talk about like how this work was received 257 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: when it came out and what may have led to 258 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: the idea of it being a banned book, and then 259 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: we'll kind of bring it to modern day. Sure, here 260 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: we go. So first it's important to know that Darwin 261 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: himself identified agnostic, meaning that he was not a fervent 262 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: practitioner of any particular religion, especially you know, Christianity, which 263 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: would have been very common in his time. Darwin was 264 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 1: considered a pretty affable country country gentleman, country gentry, and 265 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: he shocked Victorian society at the time when he suggested 266 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: that animals and humans came from a common source. Pearls 267 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: were clutched right right. This It wasn't universally hated. It 268 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: was just controversial because there was at the time also 269 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: a rising class of professional scientists. It was their job 270 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,159 Speaker 1: to conduct experiments, right, to be a chemist or physicist, 271 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: so on, and this concept, this non religious biology, appealed 272 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: to them and they propagate did it. But at the 273 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: same time, very powerful people are powerfully offended. As powerful 274 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: people tend to get their their offense has has legs, 275 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: It reaches outward, it can ruin lives, it can topple 276 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 1: empires and suppress information. Right, so let's look at the timeline. 277 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: He publishes the book in eighteen fifty nine and it 278 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: outlines the theory of evolution. Not long after that the 279 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: book is banned, particularly in the library of Trinity College, Cambridge, 280 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 1: where he had been a student. So the banning begins 281 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 1: soon after the book is published, and it inspires international debate. 282 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: The Church of England reacted against the book. But interestingly enough, 283 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: Anglicans supported Darwin's theory of natural selection and saw as 284 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: an instrument of God's designs. So they were saying, Okay, 285 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 1: evolution can happen because God wants it to. Okay, Yeah, 286 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: that's interesting. It's very adaptable view. I guess I can 287 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:17,919 Speaker 1: appreciate that. But Darwin's research only got more controversial as 288 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: time went on, and it started to become a concern, 289 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: uh in public schools. Yes, And this is what's nice 290 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,959 Speaker 1: about this being second in our list here is Galileo 291 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: may feel like ancient history to some people, right, Charles 292 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: Darwin may feel a little bit older too, because the 293 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: book is in, you know, the mid eighteen hundreds. But 294 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: the controversy didn't like die down in nineteen or something. 295 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: It continued for a long time. And it continued, especially 296 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: here in the United States, even though much like global 297 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: warming is is largely accepted by the scientific community, Darwin's 298 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 1: teach ngs were as well. Um, and the idea of 299 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: evolution and natural selection is sort of the law of 300 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: the land as far as the science crowd goes um. So, 301 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,919 Speaker 1: as one would expect, this sends up in a lot 302 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: of books, a lot of textbooks that students are getting 303 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: in high schools and middle schools about biology and the 304 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: origin of life. Um, and that rubbed certain local government's 305 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:32,159 Speaker 1: the wrong way. Yeah, no kidding. And the way that 306 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: they would freeze this opposition was relatively fluid. There would 307 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 1: be you know. Some of the initial opposition was that 308 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: this was essentially heresy, which you can't prosecute people for heresy. 309 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: We don't have a Spanish inquisition anymore, right, so that 310 00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: that argument was pretty much on the level transparent. This 311 00:20:54,920 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: offends our view of the nature of the universe. And 312 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: people rallied behind this cause it became something that would 313 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 1: be portrayed in pop culture as well. Yeah, big time. Um, 314 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 1: have you heard of the Scopes monkey trial? Then? Yes, yes, 315 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: what do you know about the Scopes trials? The Scopes 316 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: trials took place in Tennessee, right, and it was a 317 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,159 Speaker 1: There are some twists interns ahere to this story, but 318 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: the quick summary is that this was almost like a 319 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 1: public trial for whether or not evolution should be taught 320 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: in United States public schools. That's right. In fact, they 321 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: had a law on the books in nine that was 322 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: called the Butler Act hbe UM. It was the bill 323 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: that was founded on the arrest of John Scopes, who 324 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,480 Speaker 1: was a teacher in a Tennessee public school and he 325 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: took it upon himself to teach evolution. And that did 326 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: not say it well with the Tennessee government and a 327 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 1: lot of people rally behind this because this was the 328 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: first trial to be broadcast on the radio. Yeah. The 329 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 1: language of the law was no joke either. It was 330 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: described as quote, an act prohibiting the teaching of the 331 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: evolution theory in all the universities, normals, and other public 332 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: schools of Tennessee. It prohibited the teaching of any theory 333 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: that denies the story of the divine creation of man 334 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: as taught in the Bible, and to teach instead that 335 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: man has descended from a lower order of animals. Punishments included. 336 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 1: Any teacher found guilty of the violation of this Act 337 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: shall be guilty of a misdemeanor, and upon conviction, shall 338 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: be fined not less than one hundred dollars nor more 339 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: than five hundred for each offense. Yikes, right, And this 340 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: is in Dayton, Tennessee. And one thing that I find 341 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: kind of wholesome and lighthearted about the whole event is 342 00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:00,440 Speaker 1: that there was a carnivalesque atmosphere outside the courthouse. People 343 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: were selling hot dogs, lemonade, toy monkeys of course. Yeah. 344 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: In fact, there's a pretty amazing little jingle um that 345 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: was written around this very event. Casey, can we have 346 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: a clip of this? Please? No kin to the markey, No, no, 347 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: no the markeyskin to yeeah, Yeah, I don't know much 348 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: too bad his and says just that I didn't swing 349 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: by that tree. It's seems so unbelievable, and yet those 350 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: saying it's true, the teaching us about it now bad 351 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: humans were monkeys wants to sweet sweet, catchy ignorance. It 352 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: is catchy. You have to give it that. If you 353 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: just heard that song and you didn't speak English, you 354 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: would think, oh, that's that's got a nice roll to it. 355 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: What's got good alliteration. It's like, I'm no kin to 356 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: the monkey. No, no, no the monkeys no can to me? 357 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's like a calypso almost. Yeah, it's got, 358 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: it's got. It's got some punch to it. Kind of 359 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: makes me want to deny evolution. It's working. Null, it's working. 360 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 1: Can't listen to the song in full, they'll get you. 361 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: But they also technically got scopes. Interesting fact, he was 362 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: found guilty and he was fined one dollars. I guess 363 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: he only did it once. In the modern parlance, we 364 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 1: would say he took an L. He took that L 365 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 1: for all of us. Yeah, he really did. But this, 366 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: you know, this, uh, this was and this stuff was 367 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: happening as recently as like the nineties. UM. In Georgia, 368 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: for example, there was a Supreme Court ruling that declared 369 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 1: it unconstitutional for the government to require biology textbooks that 370 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 1: contained natural selection UM, versions of evolution, and the origins 371 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: of life. UM. They would have stickers on them that 372 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: referred to this stuff as a theory. Evolution is a theory, 373 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: they would say, not a fact regarding the origin of 374 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: living things. And then in January, a federal judge rule 375 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: that those stickers were no good because they essentially endorsed 376 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,880 Speaker 1: a religious viewpoint, and the school board spent a year 377 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: appealing the ruling until it finally got settled in two 378 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: thousand and six. Man, that's insane. I really like this one. 379 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: In California, of course, California, in the Supreme Court UM 380 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: decided to not hear UM. The association of Christian schools 381 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: international at all versus roman sterns at all um. And 382 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: this case was an appeal of a ruling um that 383 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 1: basically said that the state had the right to consider 384 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: the teachings of certain religious schools insufficient preparation for college. 385 00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: That's you know, you've got to respect the way that 386 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: people frame these things, because supporters of the measures like 387 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: the sticker thing or the idea of teaching intelligent design 388 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: hand in hand with evolution into public school Supporters of 389 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: these measures say that they are not repressing of you. 390 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: They are promoting quote, academic freedom by encouraging students and 391 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 1: teachers alike to think critically and question pretty much question everything. 392 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: That's a bunch of gibber jabber. I don't know if 393 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: it is sincere. Yeah, yeah, it seems like a line 394 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: of bull honkey. It seems like there's a whole stream 395 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: of WHOI. But it does go to show that even 396 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 1: even after more than a hundred years, this book remains controversial, 397 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: and there are people who will tell you that it 398 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: is purposefully meant to mislead you, you know, even though 399 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,119 Speaker 1: and hey, no ding on Christians here. This is just 400 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: a matter of to me ignoring clear evidence in favor 401 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: of stuff that even many Christians will say that the 402 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: Bible is a is a a book that is meant 403 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: to teach. It has these kind of like scenarios that 404 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: are necessarily meant to be read as literally act ual occurrences. 405 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,159 Speaker 1: So I always find it interesting when people are so 406 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:08,000 Speaker 1: stuck in an opinion that they can't see that there's, 407 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: you know, other information out there. And I'm a fan 408 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: of the approach that those Anglicans took back in the 409 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 1: eighteen fifties eighteen sixties. Things don't have to be mutually exclusive. 410 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: You know, your your personal belief system is just that 411 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: personal right. And so also you have to consider if 412 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: somebody is an opponent of a scientific thought like this 413 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: or a theory of some sort, going out of your 414 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 1: way to suppress it in this manner makes it so 415 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: much more powerful and interesting to everyone else. You know, 416 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 1: are so thanks to you, Charles Darwin, Thanks for hopping 417 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: on the Beagle and changing the course of science for us. 418 00:27:51,560 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: All the Regal Beagle, yep, the HMS Beagle. No, we're 419 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: drawing to a close at least four hour massive list 420 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: of three. I don't know. I think we've done a 421 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: good job of expanding. Uh, there have been lists within 422 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: lists kind of you know, sub lists, and I have 423 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,960 Speaker 1: so much other stuff on banning books. I might have 424 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: to just like run through it real quick at the end, 425 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:22,720 Speaker 1: do it if we have time. But what's what's next? Oh? Man, Well, Casey, 426 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: I want to, I want to. I want you to 427 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: give me your feedback on this. We're going to talk 428 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: about George. That's like George the Master Colorge kind of 429 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: I think I did it. Okay, I think you did 430 00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: a great you all right, so George, Now I'm in 431 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: a n I gotta really liked Was this all on Mike? Yeah? Okay, great? 432 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know. It doesn't have to be 433 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: well this has been Casey on the case I guess, 434 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: so does have to be that this gentleman, George has 435 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: the most remarkably unremarkable title of any of the books 436 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 1: so far. I love, I love the pants off of it. Um, 437 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 1: would you like to grace us with this title? Ben sure? 438 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: Get ready? Homogeneous Universe of constant mass and growing radius 439 00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: accounting for the radial velocity of extra galactic nebula by 440 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: George Lament. I'm telling you you're nailing that pronunciation. I 441 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: could you hear Casey, there was there was pride, there 442 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: was his voice. I mean it makes me feel really good. Um. 443 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: So yeah, this this gentleman. Um, he wrote this article. 444 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: It wasn't a book, um. And this espoused essentially the 445 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 1: first version of what is now referred to as the 446 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: Big Bang theory or yeah that one. Yeah, that's the 447 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: automanopia version, right. And just to give you a sense 448 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: of what a giant of astrophysics this guy was, Stephen 449 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: Hawkings basically credits him as being the founder of it all, 450 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: the godfather of this idea of the universe exploding outward 451 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 1: from a particle known as what is it a super adam? Yeah, 452 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: or a cosmic egg or egg? Is that the one? Yeah? 453 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: That's so cool. Unless we sound like we're going to 454 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 1: be constantly pitying science against spirituality here we should point 455 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: out that, in addition to being a titan in the 456 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: world of astrophysics, le Maltra was a Belgian Catholic priest. 457 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: He was. Indeed, every picture you can find of him, 458 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: he's got his little uh what do you call that thing, 459 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: a little little priest collar? Yeah, a Roman collar or 460 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: a clergy color. Here you go. Yeah, so he's he 461 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: is deep in both worlds, my friend, he is. Uh. 462 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 1: He is a man of science and a man of God, 463 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: which makes his findings extra interesting to me. Absolutely, and 464 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,080 Speaker 1: his religious standing didn't stop the Big Bang from being 465 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: looked at as a controversial idea. Even even Albert Einstein 466 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 1: at first was like, yeah, are you sure about that? 467 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: I don't know about that one, buddy, I don't know, father, 468 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 1: And we can, you know, you can kind of understand, 469 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: just like just like the case with Galileo or with 470 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: Darwin was wild. Yeah, we've never heard this before. Radical, 471 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: but it's such a challenging question that humanity is still 472 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: trying to to really figure out. You know, what did 473 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: the universe have a starting point? If so, what was 474 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: there beforehand? You know? And this is mind blowing stuff 475 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: that this guy, this guy came up with. And sure 476 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: we can we can laugh a little bit at the 477 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: idea of Cosmic Egg. It's kind of like Emerson's transparent eyeball, 478 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: but it's sounds like a really cool prog rock band, 479 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: Cosmic Egg. Oh, we should tell everybody. So we have 480 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: been collectively, Casey Noel and some of our colleagues and 481 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: I have collectively been really into making up band names 482 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: or noting when something would be a good band name. 483 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: So you're probably gonna hear us doing that for a 484 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: while in the next few episodes. We like to do 485 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 1: the band name and then the genre. So Cosmic Egg. Yeah, 486 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 1: like I would say, kind of like crowd rock, like 487 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: sort of like can you know, very repetitive drumming and 488 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,680 Speaker 1: you know, dubby kind of bass and yeah, like calm 489 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: muty guitars and yeah, I'm like in that, Cosmic Egg, 490 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: what else? What else you got? I feel like Cosmic 491 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: Egg is definitely the superior the three names for a 492 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,040 Speaker 1: band name, I think I think he nailed it. Hole 493 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: of one. We had one last night. It was Denim Glut. 494 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: Remember Denim Glutt, Denim Clut. Oh was it the Rainbow 495 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: Denim Glut. No, you were just talking about how like 496 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 1: you were. You were saying there was a Denim h 497 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: surplus and they were trying to like capitalize on that 498 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: by selling it at a at a loss or something 499 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: like that, to be a lost leader or something. Anyway, 500 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: over my head. We had a really in depth discussion 501 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: off air about Denham. I think we decided that Denim 502 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,840 Speaker 1: Glut would be uh, kind of an electro dancy kind 503 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,120 Speaker 1: of kind of bands. Yeah, it had to be, because 504 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: it would be too on the news for it to 505 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: be country music. I could see, yeah, definitely, only knows 506 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: I could see denhim Glood opening for Cosmic Egg though. 507 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that seems like a good bill. Dance the 508 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: night Away. I love it. So we'll let you know 509 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 1: when we make those things real bands. But in the 510 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: meantime we should return to Le Maltratra pretty good. You 511 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: were so much better at that than I am. It's 512 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 1: all about the is that? Oh god, sorry, guys choked 513 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: a little bit. It's been a week. It has been 514 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:41,600 Speaker 1: a long Yeah. Our Belgian cosmologists um and Catholic priest 515 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: uh and you know, um, let's talk a little bit 516 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,280 Speaker 1: about how he arrived at this idea. Who do you tell? Well, 517 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: let's start from the beginning. He was born in eighteen 518 00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: ninety four in Charleroi, Belgium, and from a very early 519 00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: age he was into both science and religion. He did 520 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 1: serve in World War One briefly, and then after that 521 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:09,680 Speaker 1: he decided to get into theoretical physics and in short 522 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,160 Speaker 1: order was ordained um so you know, he he really 523 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: knew his path, kind of a split path, but an 524 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: interesting one, and he really committed to both pretty heartily. Um. 525 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: By the time he was thirty one, he became a 526 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: professor at a Catholic university. And this is interesting. Then 527 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: during World War Two he actually was hurt when his 528 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: home was accidentally bombed by US friendly fire. And the 529 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 1: whole time he is he is studying physics himself, as 530 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: is going on as his home is being accidentally bombed. 531 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: In nine seven, he discovers a group of solutions to 532 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,160 Speaker 1: Einstein's field equations of relativity, and the solutions that he 533 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: finds do not describe a static universe. That was the 534 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: prevailing notion, right, the universe is just here, that's it. 535 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,800 Speaker 1: But his solutions described an expanding universe. At the same time, 536 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:17,320 Speaker 1: a few years earlier, another researcher Russian named Alexander Friedman 537 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,040 Speaker 1: had discovered this too, but they were not in contact 538 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:24,640 Speaker 1: with each other, so he brings this. He publishes this 539 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: report in the same year in a little known journal 540 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 1: called called who all Right, A Hey, Casey, can you 541 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: I can? Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna do my best here. Uh, 542 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:46,760 Speaker 1: that would be the anel something like that. Man looks 543 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 1: somewhere in there, Casey on the case leads. In this report, 544 00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: he presents this idea of an expanding universe that we 545 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: would later call Hubble's law, of the idea that the 546 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: outward speed of objects in the universe is proportional to 547 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,880 Speaker 1: their distance from us. This, this is pretty this is 548 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 1: pretty crazy stuff, right. It seems legit. It seems legit 549 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,239 Speaker 1: to us. Now, yeah, then I know. So we've got 550 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:17,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of a pickle here. How do we 551 00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: get from cosmic egg to the Big Bang theory. There's 552 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: there's a story there that it's called Big Bang theory 553 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,359 Speaker 1: after a sarcastic remark from an English astronomer named Fred 554 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,919 Speaker 1: Hoyle in nineteen forty nine. It's true. I actually found 555 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: this article on Christian Today. Um, I guess it's written 556 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,319 Speaker 1: by a British person because I just love this, they 557 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: say one skeptical scientist, Fred Hoyle rubbish Lamtro's idea as 558 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: the Big Bang theory. Um. And even Einstein, we like 559 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, thought it was just way too far out. Man, 560 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: Oh Albert Einstein. Man, and that's just too far out. 561 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,360 Speaker 1: That's how that's actually sound. We did the research on 562 00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: the Yes. Now fast forward to the modern day. We 563 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:09,560 Speaker 1: are very very fortunate that these ideas and these works 564 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,120 Speaker 1: survived despite the way they challenged the status quot What 565 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: was it like, the discovery of background radiation or microwaves 566 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: or something like that, like confirmed a lot of the 567 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,640 Speaker 1: basis for his argument. That's correct, Noll, that's true. Actually, 568 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 1: a while back, I was able to interview the Nobel 569 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: Prize winning professor John Mather, who was instrumental in essentially 570 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: proving the Big Bang and taking it outside of the 571 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 1: realm of theory. And he we were interviewing him because 572 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: he was working on the James Webb Space Telescope, which 573 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,799 Speaker 1: is their successor to the that's right when you guys 574 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: went to NASA. So cool. Yeah, And it was actually 575 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 1: a pair of scientists, Arno Penzias and Robert Wilson who 576 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: discovered those cosmic microwave background radiations. I am not even 577 00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: borderline smart enough to know how that relates or what 578 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: that means, but uh Lemna did find this out before 579 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,399 Speaker 1: his death, and he sure his crap knew what it meant. 580 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: So good on him. Vindication, that's true. Score one for 581 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: science and you always have to imagine, you know, if 582 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: we put ourselves back in these people's shoes. It is 583 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,239 Speaker 1: so fascinating to think how much progress they made with 584 00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: so much less assistance or knowledge in comparison to what 585 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: we have today. Boy, you can we can only hope 586 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: that in twenty four hundred a d or something people 587 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,960 Speaker 1: look back and say, I can't believe they made such 588 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,560 Speaker 1: a great podcast before the days of telepathic communication. You know, 589 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: if that's our legacy, then I'm fine with that, man. 590 00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Ben, I'm bushed that that was This 591 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,120 Speaker 1: was a long one. It was a long one. I 592 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,360 Speaker 1: sure would hate it if some sort of put antick 593 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,279 Speaker 1: supervillain came along. So I already I had so much 594 00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: great stuff to close out on on the dangers of 595 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: modern censorship. And now now we're here, it's time, gentlemen. 596 00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: I guess it was only a matter of time before 597 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: it was once again time. That's right, that's right, fatalism. 598 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: It's your friend, Jonathan Strickland, the Quister. You've returned yet again, 599 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: both to challenge our ability to discern true history from 600 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: fake history and to rationalize all the budget money we 601 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,279 Speaker 1: spent on that gigantic grandfather clock, it's back. Huh, it's 602 00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:46,759 Speaker 1: always big. Yeah, I am nothing if not an excuse 603 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,680 Speaker 1: for extravagant purchases. You seem like you've kind of taken 604 00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,840 Speaker 1: it down a notch a little bit. I'm gonna be 605 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 1: honest in a in another day, I'm gonna be opening 606 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 1: up at a show, and and and all my energy 607 00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: has been devoted to that, So you kind of get 608 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: in the I'm not gonna say halfway. That's usually you're on, 609 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: like thirteen six is going to say, it can be 610 00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: a bit much, all right, hang on, hang on, well, gentlemen, 611 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: now prepare yourself now. As I understand it, the topic 612 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 1: for today's discussion was one on burned books. Yeah, can 613 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: you go back to say, yeah, why did't you ask 614 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,399 Speaker 1: him to do this? I'm going to burn through all 615 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: of my energy right now. You know, Twister, I gotta 616 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: tell you, you've become quite the divisive figure on our show. 617 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: We only forward you the nice emails. So there's there's 618 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: those who really hate it. Well, you know what I've 619 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: always said, it's the most cringe worthy segment in podcasting. 620 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,440 Speaker 1: I make no apologies. So I have for you your scenario. 621 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 1: And of course you always know that I always have 622 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: an arbitrary rule that I in state yes, in order 623 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: for you to ask questions during the three minutes you 624 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,239 Speaker 1: have to deliberate, I will tell you that arbitrary rule 625 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,360 Speaker 1: after I read you the scenario, so you'll get a 626 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: little extra time to think it over. That little extra 627 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:03,080 Speaker 1: time being you know, the five seconds it takes me 628 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: to tell you the arbitrary rules. So here is your scenario. 629 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: And yes, it's gotten longer. It's just that's so row 630 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: it will as soon be its own podcast. Here we are. 631 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: From the mid nineteen seventies through the nineteen nineties, many 632 00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: parts of the world, particularly the United States, were gripped 633 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 1: in what we now call the Satanic Panic, in which 634 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: people became convinced that cults practicing ritualistic abuse were poised 635 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,800 Speaker 1: to topple our world into chaos. Games like Dungeons and 636 00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,240 Speaker 1: Dragons and music like rock and or roll became targets. 637 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: One town took this a little bit further. On June nine, Hartford, Connecticut, 638 00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: school board officials made a big show of fighting against 639 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 1: the forces of darkness by banning several books. Among them 640 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: was the Necronomicon. There's only one problem. The Necronomicon does 641 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: not exist. It was a fictional book created by H. P. 642 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: Lovecraft in his story The Hound in nineteen two, but 643 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,160 Speaker 1: apparently no one from Rhode Island told the good folks 644 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 1: of Hartford, Connecticut about this. It took a few months, 645 00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,759 Speaker 1: but those same officials became the laughing stock of New 646 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: England once word got out, and no one ever mentioned 647 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: the ban again. Your arbitrary rule is that before you 648 00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 1: can ask any question, you must proceed it with yeah, yeah, 649 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:32,760 Speaker 1: begain the clock, alright, yeah, yeah, but look dog and alright, 650 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,520 Speaker 1: go ahead. That romance. I just wanted to try it. 651 00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: I just want to make sure I remembered it. I 652 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,440 Speaker 1: had to say it once. Sorry, I'm wasting pressure setting 653 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,520 Speaker 1: fan of Lady's perfectly fine. It really? Would they be 654 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: that foolish? I mean that's yeah, they probably would. Yeah, yes, 655 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,799 Speaker 1: Mr Bilin. Is it possible that most of this story 656 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: is true but one part of it has changed? And 657 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: if so, would that render the entire thing false? If 658 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: you're asking me, would I make up one detail to 659 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: make a true story into a false one, I absolutely 660 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,200 Speaker 1: would do that. Son of a fish, that's my new family. 661 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,759 Speaker 1: That's fun. That rolls right off the tongue. Um, I'm 662 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,359 Speaker 1: gonna you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna double down. 663 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,759 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say true. Really yeah, that's okay. So here's 664 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: the thing. I'm still divided because these longer ones tend 665 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 1: to be fake. If you look back, you're trying to 666 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: pick up a cat and you're looking for meta information. No, 667 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: I don't think he would. I don't think he would 668 00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 1: tip his hand in that way. He hates us, That's 669 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I think he would try to. He's 670 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:51,400 Speaker 1: playing those mind games. So uh shoot, okay, Uh, you 671 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,040 Speaker 1: know I'm not a native of in Smith or whatever, 672 00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:59,080 Speaker 1: so you're right right, I'm Eldridge Light at least. So 673 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: you mentioned Rhode Island. Did how did Rhode Island come 674 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: into Lovecraft was from Rhode Island, Born in Rhode Island, 675 00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:07,359 Speaker 1: died in Rhode Island, went to New York a couple 676 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,440 Speaker 1: of times, and it really screwed with his mind. Did 677 00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:14,520 Speaker 1: not like it? Okay? Uh, yeah, you know what I'm 678 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:17,080 Speaker 1: gonna go. I'm gonna go with true. What do you think? 679 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,239 Speaker 1: M surely our times up here, we really do? We 680 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 1: have one minute and one second. Cool I'm just gonna 681 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna think on that. I'm gonna I'm gonna have 682 00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: a good thing, have a thing. Those having a thing. 683 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,960 Speaker 1: How are you doing, Ben? You know I've been doing 684 00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: all right? Man. We we had a really great episode 685 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: today and just between us, it's it's always good to 686 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: see you, even though it's somewhat adversarial. No are you 687 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 1: saying question? All right, So we've got got to the situation. 688 00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: We know how this is always resolved rochambo. We're gonna 689 00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: do one to three shoot all right, one to three shoot? Alright, 690 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: so we have Mr B's got a rushed crushed misses. 691 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:05,160 Speaker 1: So so we're going with true then yes to ahead, 692 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:13,319 Speaker 1: ban you foodhead. I made it up, the whole thing. 693 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,759 Speaker 1: The thing well, I didn't make up the satanic panic. 694 00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,560 Speaker 1: That actually happened, I'm aware of. That was it in 695 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,960 Speaker 1: the attic though, by the way, happens to be my birthday. 696 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,879 Speaker 1: That was. That was the hint I threw in there, 697 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: just to tip it off. Also, you could have there 698 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,520 Speaker 1: were I was prepared for all sorts of questions because 699 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,040 Speaker 1: there have been books titled the Necronomicon that were just 700 00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,759 Speaker 1: various hoaxes. There's of course the infamous Simon edition that 701 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,320 Speaker 1: was published in the late nineteen seventies early nineteen eighties, 702 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,640 Speaker 1: but it only sold about eight thousand copies, so that 703 00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:49,240 Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have registered enough to be on a bandable. 704 00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,600 Speaker 1: There's also fan fiction Necronomicon. Sure in the early nineteen eighties. 705 00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,320 Speaker 1: That really wasn't such a big thing. And I shouldn't 706 00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: have said anything about that pattern that I noticed, especially 707 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: because now he's probably gonna switch it up. I was 708 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: gonna say. I also had other books that were supposedly 709 00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: banned in that same group, in case you asked me 710 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,320 Speaker 1: that question, which included things like Satanic Versus by Salman Rushdie. 711 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: That's why I originally had the date set five. But 712 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,000 Speaker 1: when I put that that little detail in, I realized 713 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,919 Speaker 1: that book wasn't published, so I had to push it back. You, sir, 714 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:29,240 Speaker 1: are a diabolical creature of the pit of the Abyss. Hartford, 715 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: Connecticut would ban me in an instant. You're an agent 716 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,759 Speaker 1: of the dark. Well you know what I had fun 717 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: to me too, Yeah, to hey, you, what do you 718 00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:46,759 Speaker 1: think get out? That is the elder language that they 719 00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: speak in the Methos. So thank you for coming on 720 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:53,680 Speaker 1: again as always the things we were required to say. Uh, 721 00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: you win the battle, but not the war will be back. 722 00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: We'll get you next time. I pretty you have a 723 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: really long true one for you next time. Death. But 724 00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,160 Speaker 1: time is but a window? Oh happy dagger. What's that 725 00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,960 Speaker 1: quote from Ghostbusters to my legion madam? To expostulate what 726 00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,319 Speaker 1: majesty should be? Why duty is? Why? Days, day, nine 727 00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:14,600 Speaker 1: nine a time? It is time? Were doing nothing but 728 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:17,920 Speaker 1: the waste night, day and time. That's not in Ghostbusters too, Hamlet. 729 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,960 Speaker 1: I'm sorry speaking of that. I just want to bragged everybody. 730 00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:22,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to see sleep no More tomorrow and I 731 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,040 Speaker 1: and I have stoked awesome. You know about this, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 732 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,680 Speaker 1: I've heard about this. Yeah, you know. It's like a 733 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: immersive experience where it's like Macbeth happening in different rooms 734 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,840 Speaker 1: in this crazy like haunted house hotel kind of situation. 735 00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: Was a similar production that that started out in New 736 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,279 Speaker 1: York and got a lot of buzz. They don't get 737 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,239 Speaker 1: too familiar, quister. We can't just be talking theater with 738 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:46,800 Speaker 1: the quister. I'm shaking my fists at the two of you, 739 00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,000 Speaker 1: and now I'll be away by I just want to 740 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,920 Speaker 1: say that I think he is doing a good job. 741 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,320 Speaker 1: He's doing a great show. You are not supposed to 742 00:47:56,360 --> 00:48:00,840 Speaker 1: be hearing that. Okay, I I retract, I retract that statment. Uh. 743 00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 1: I do want to end with what I should have 744 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: said to him. Death is but a door, Time is 745 00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,600 Speaker 1: but a window. I'll be back Ghostbusters to Vigo. It's 746 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:16,439 Speaker 1: a great film. His name is Vigo. Wife. Do you baba? Well? 747 00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:21,280 Speaker 1: Will we be able to come back from our crushing 748 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: defeat today, Volks, It's only one way to find out, 749 00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:26,160 Speaker 1: the only one way to find out, and that's tuning 750 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 1: in UM. In the meantime, you can write us at 751 00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,359 Speaker 1: Ridiculous at how stuff works dot com. You can hit 752 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 1: us up on the social media's where we are ridiculous 753 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,440 Speaker 1: history on Facebook and Instagram, and you know, most importantly, 754 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,880 Speaker 1: join us next week when we talk about how Richard 755 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,280 Speaker 1: Nixon may or may not have accidentally smuggled a weed 756 00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:48,680 Speaker 1: for Louis Armstrong, an illegal weed, the drug marijana. Yes, 757 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: that's the one. That's the one. Um. But thanks to 758 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,440 Speaker 1: our super producer Casey Pegram, thanks to Alex Williams who 759 00:48:55,480 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: composed our theme. Curses to Jonathan Strickland, the quister and 760 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:03,520 Speaker 1: thanks to Brian Young for writing a three time Society 761 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,440 Speaker 1: refused to accept books on new science for how Stuff 762 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,960 Speaker 1: Works dot Com and of course, as always, thanks so 763 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:14,239 Speaker 1: much to you. We hope that you enjoyed this episode. 764 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,080 Speaker 1: We hope to hear your take on banned books as 765 00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:23,239 Speaker 1: well as the dilemma of progress versus preservation. However you 766 00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:27,040 Speaker 1: approach that one one last question to end on here, 767 00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: I think it's interesting. Are there any books that you 768 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: feel should be banned? And why fascists? See you next time.