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Speaker 1: What we thought was going to be a very uninteresting
Speaker 1: game turned out to be a very interesting game.
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Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, the Chargers won their fourth straight game
Speaker 1: by defeating the Bengals thirty four to twenty seven.
Speaker 2: JK.
Speaker 1: Dobbins broke the ran a touchdown in late I'm not
Speaker 1: so sure if they tried to stop him or they
Speaker 1: let him score wanting to get the ball back with
Speaker 1: an opportunity to do what they did at the end
Speaker 1: of the game, O Joe, which to throw the ball
Speaker 1: into the end zone with a chance to tie the
Speaker 1: game or go for you and win the game, but
Speaker 1: it was batted down at the end. Joe Burrow three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty six yards, three touchdown. He was twenty
Speaker 1: eight or fifty three fifty six zero, three touchdown, zero interception.
Speaker 1: He was sacked three times, and they ran the ball
Speaker 1: decent Ojo. Twenty five to ten for one hundred and
Speaker 1: ten yards. But they ran what seventy plays to like
Speaker 1: fifty eight. They ran substantially more plays. Had time of
Speaker 1: possession was in their favor. But the thing that I
Speaker 1: hate so much for Joey b is that he knows
Speaker 1: he's got to score touchdowns. Give his defense credit ocho
Speaker 1: him for the most part in the second half. They
Speaker 1: held him to three points until that final drive in
Speaker 1: which they gave him a touchdown. And I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure they didn't let him score because they wanted time
Speaker 1: on the clock. Didn't want them to bleed the clock
Speaker 1: down kick a walk off field goal without Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: having an opportunity to touch the football. But the defense
Speaker 1: played better in the second half. But it's hard to
Speaker 1: spot teams Ohoe twenty one points in this league and
Speaker 1: then track them down. But to Bengals credit, they tried
Speaker 1: to come back and make a ball game. Ohhow you
Speaker 1: up against it?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: You're really up against the gun right now with the
Speaker 1: four and seven record, and you still have two games
Speaker 1: against the Steelers and the State, and the Steelers are better,
Speaker 1: are much better than we previously followed, Joe. But this
Speaker 1: game right here, the Chargers thirty four the Bengals twenty seven. Ojo,
Speaker 1: what did you like and what didn't you like?
Speaker 4: I mean, what I didn't like is that I didn't
Speaker 4: like the first half. But then I don't like the
Speaker 4: fact that we're still starting the same waven starting since
Speaker 4: week one. We start slow, We allow ourselves to put
Speaker 4: ourselves in the goddamn hole and have to climb out
Speaker 4: of that hole because our offense is somewhat of a juggernaut.
Speaker 5: If we are good as we are, if we.
Speaker 4: Are good as we are in the second half of
Speaker 4: football game, defense, defense, obviously they did what they needed
Speaker 4: to do in the second half. They give us an
Speaker 4: opportunity to come back in the game and do what
Speaker 4: we need to do to make it a competitive make
Speaker 4: it a competitive game and at some point maybe take
Speaker 4: the lead or maybe tide the game. But in the
Speaker 4: first half, when we get down into the red zone,
Speaker 4: the field goals is killing the spaces.
Speaker 5: Yes, the field goals is killing.
Speaker 4: Us man, And I'm looking at the TV understanding now,
Speaker 4: when we get into the rad area anywhere anywhere from
Speaker 4: the twenty on end, we have to find a way
Speaker 4: to put the ball in the end zone.
Speaker 5: We have to.
Speaker 4: The defense is struggling to find a way to stop
Speaker 4: the goddamn charges in the first half. Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 4: sure what adjustments lou made in the second half. Where
Speaker 4: it gave us the opportunity. Defensively we were able to
Speaker 4: stop him and hold him to three points, but we
Speaker 4: were able to come back and make it a goddamn game.
Speaker 4: But at that point, you know it's not it's what's
Speaker 4: the world. I'm looking for nut cutting time, a nut
Speaker 4: crunching time, and we just weren't able to get it,
Speaker 4: and it's too late. We have to start the fucking
Speaker 4: games a lot faster, you do know, not to put
Speaker 4: ourselves in the goddamn hole with everything in the second
Speaker 4: half has to be that much goddamn perfect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing with the office we have.
Speaker 4: There's no goddamn reason man to be able to spot
Speaker 4: a team twenty one points and be able to come
Speaker 4: back in the game when you really.
Speaker 5: Shouldn't be able to.
Speaker 4: If you spot a team twenty one points, ain't no
Speaker 4: way in head you should be able to come back,
Speaker 4: even if a momentum you said always it's about how
Speaker 4: much you extended and how much grace you give yourself
Speaker 4: or you give a team, and if if you got
Speaker 4: a one point chance is coming back, it should we
Speaker 4: God damn Sam, But we do have an offense where
Speaker 4: you can do it.
Speaker 5: And make it happen. But we've got to start fast.
Speaker 5: It's killing me.
Speaker 4: Man. The difference is up and down. It's so inconsistent offensive.
Speaker 4: We start so goddamn slow. We do get in the
Speaker 4: red area, we don't get six points, were getting three points.
Speaker 5: And it's killing us.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's really the issue. And people keep saying
Speaker 1: and Joe is playing well, but he's got to get
Speaker 1: the ball in the end zone. Considering how poorly your
Speaker 1: defense has been playing, because they're they're second to last
Speaker 1: in red zone touchdown possession. They're giving up seventy two
Speaker 1: percent of the drives. When they team get the ball
Speaker 1: in the red zone, they get the ball in the
Speaker 1: end zone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And when you get the ball into the red zone,
Speaker 1: you kick field goals. I don't know how you win
Speaker 1: those games. But let me tell you how you got
Speaker 1: back into the game. Because typical in the Harbor fashion,
Speaker 1: he started to run the ball and they started and
Speaker 1: this Bengals started to run blitz. So now they catch you,
Speaker 1: oh Hill, and you get it's second and twelve. Now
Speaker 1: they got you playing behind the sticks. Okay, let's just
Speaker 1: say for the sake of argument on second and twelve,
Speaker 1: you get five. Okay, now he's thirty seven, you get
Speaker 1: another five, which it should be first down. Now it's
Speaker 1: thirty two, not's thirty three. You see what has happened.
Speaker 1: And so they kept doing that. Bengals know, Hey, this Hardbaugh,
Speaker 1: he ain't gonna do anything crazy. He gonna stick to
Speaker 1: the strip, the strip, he gonna run the ball on
Speaker 1: first down. Let's get him with a run blitz boom,
Speaker 1: And they got him, got him playing from behind the sticks.
Speaker 1: And then Herbert, I don't know if you if I'm
Speaker 1: the only one, but as the game starting the Titans,
Speaker 1: he starts the Titans. And if this game was very
Speaker 1: reminiscent of what we saw against Jacksonville, they have a
Speaker 1: twenty seven point lead.
Speaker 2: Now this is a different coaching staff, but he's the
Speaker 2: same quarterback.
Speaker 1: And as the game got tighter and tighter, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, the throws that he was making in the
Speaker 1: first half when he's playing loose, boom boom boom.
Speaker 4: You don't want to make these mistakes, especially as young
Speaker 4: quarterback like Herbert. You don't want to put the ball
Speaker 4: in harm's way when you know a team is coming
Speaker 4: back or the momentum has shifted, you know, in the
Speaker 4: Bengals favor, So again your decision making it becomes a
Speaker 4: little bit different as a quarterback as opposed to you know,
Speaker 4: being a gunslinger that you were in the first half
Speaker 4: and taking some of those chances.
Speaker 1: Well, you're the reason why they're probably coming back because
Speaker 1: you're not throwing the ball and on third down you're
Speaker 1: getting the ass off the field as opposed to staring
Speaker 1: staying on the field. And yeah, it's difficult. Hey, when
Speaker 1: a team know you got to throw the ball, it
Speaker 1: gets very, very difficult. Now the Chargers, you know, they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's give up nothing, cheat, nothing deep. We'll make them
Speaker 1: nickling din my way down the field. But what happens
Speaker 1: when you do that is that you allow the office
Speaker 1: to get in a rhythm. You allow Joey b to
Speaker 1: get into a rhythm with Higgins and with Chase and
Speaker 1: now you got your hands full. So because when you
Speaker 1: try to heat him up and when you try to
Speaker 1: get him off that point, he's already got a rhythm.
Speaker 1: Those guys have gotten a rhythm now, and so it's
Speaker 1: a lot more difficult to try to stop a team
Speaker 1: once you've allowed them to to get into a rhythm.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I don't understand either. I don't
Speaker 1: understand how the Bengals every single game it's the same
Speaker 1: damn thing.
Speaker 2: We start.
Speaker 1: They spotting teams ten, the spotting teams fourteen, knowing knowing
Speaker 1: if you spot a team, let's just say, for the
Speaker 1: sake of argument, oh Joe, you spot a team that
Speaker 1: knowing what your defense is. So even if we're somehow
Speaker 1: able to finaggle our way back in the ball game,
Speaker 1: what's the likelihood of our defense is gonna be able
Speaker 1: to stand pat for the entirety. Now, the Bengals kicker,
Speaker 1: they not now make Ferson. He's in his own head.
Speaker 1: And we're talking about this the same thing with Justin Tucker.
Speaker 1: He's no longer automatic like he once was from the
Speaker 1: Pugo or the pat But the Bengals, oh, Jo, they
Speaker 1: got to work cut up for him.
Speaker 2: They basically got to go six and zero.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we don't have Yeah, we don't have a choice.
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow came out, you know, two weeks ago and
Speaker 4: said we had to win seven of the last nine.
Speaker 4: Well you don't lost two, yeah, point exactly lost two
Speaker 4: of those already. So now, I mean, if there's a
Speaker 4: team that can do it, listen to me real quick
Speaker 4: in chat chat for those of you are watching right now.
Speaker 4: If there is a team that can do it offensively,
Speaker 4: from from from an offensive standpoint, stramatically, tactically, it is
Speaker 4: them the way they're built offensively. But we gotta be
Speaker 4: able to start the game fast. You gotta put the
Speaker 4: player an advantageous situation.
Speaker 2: You know, you just can't play with offense, right, get
Speaker 2: it done.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I listen. I know, I know what you're Finnah saying.
Speaker 4: You can't say we can't play with offense. But Joe
Speaker 4: has to overcome the bad play on defense. He has
Speaker 4: to overcome them having lulls, different lulls in the first
Speaker 4: half of the game.
Speaker 2: We don't have a choice, a choice.
Speaker 1: Oh Joe, you just gave up thirty four, you gave
Speaker 1: up forty one, you gave up thirty eight.
Speaker 2: Come home, man. I know, I know what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I know what you're gonna say. There's nothing I can do.
Speaker 4: There's nothing I could do. I'm just saying from the
Speaker 4: outside and as a fan, as a fan of as
Speaker 4: a fan of the Angles, and as a fan of
Speaker 4: the game of football in general. The only way the
Speaker 4: Bengals are going to be able to win games, the
Speaker 4: offense has to overcome bad defensive play. The offense is
Speaker 4: gonna have to overcome the little spells and the spells
Speaker 4: in the first half and the spells in it in
Speaker 4: the second half. You're gonna have to extend, extend not plays,
Speaker 4: but the score line and being able to play from
Speaker 4: ahead and try to extend that lead as much as possible,
Speaker 4: depending on when that when that defense decides to have
Speaker 4: those lows.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out, they.
Speaker 4: Gotta damn there play perfect, man, whoa whoa before.
Speaker 2: They damn they gotta play perfect.
Speaker 1: Chat before we go any further. If your team didn't
Speaker 1: win today, I don't want to hear you say foot
Speaker 1: or ball.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, don't do that. Come on, man, I
Speaker 4: know about the Broncos won. Come on, man, Broncos.
Speaker 2: Won the Broncos hanging thirty eight on them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the five.
Speaker 1: Oh both why I mean what I tried to tell you,
Speaker 1: but this, oh yo, y'all, look like I said, you
Speaker 1: still got the Stealers twice, got the Bengals twice.
Speaker 2: That's four games.
Speaker 4: I don't know who they have outside of that, because
Speaker 4: you said we got the bengalswife.
Speaker 1: There's no Browns. Y'all got to Browns twice. Y'all got
Speaker 1: the Stealers twice. That's four you only got. You only
Speaker 1: got six games left.
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, they.
Speaker 1: Only Big brown once, so they got the Browns once
Speaker 1: again at home. Steelers, Cowboys. Okay, Oh, y'all got the
Speaker 1: Broncos too.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, listen, I'm gonna go out on a limb.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go out of on a limb, and I'm
Speaker 4: gonna say I'm gonna I'm gonna say it's up to
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow in that offense. Man, it's up to Zach Taylor.
Speaker 4: If we want to win these next what six games?
Speaker 2: You gotta go six? I believe, do you know what? O? Joe?
Speaker 4: Hold talk to me, hold on before you say anything,
Speaker 4: before you before you say anything.
Speaker 5: Talk to me nice now.
Speaker 2: Okay, talk to me nice. You got hold on? Are
Speaker 2: they only? So?
Speaker 1: They got the Steelers on the on the first of December,
Speaker 1: So that's in two weeks right?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So yes, sir, So then your guys go on
Speaker 2: a bu with yo.
Speaker 1: So you got the Steelers at home, you're at the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you're at the Titans. Those should be wins. You should
Speaker 1: be able to beat the Browns. It's gonna come down.
Speaker 1: I believe your season's gonna hang in the ballot. Can
Speaker 1: you beat the Steelers last game of the season on
Speaker 1: January fifth in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: I think I think that's what it's gonna come down
Speaker 4: to me. I truly believe that's what it's going to
Speaker 4: come down to. I think for us as as a
Speaker 4: team offensively and defensively, uh Lou will be able to
Speaker 4: get those boys together and find a way to get
Speaker 4: it some type of game plan, some type of some
Speaker 4: type of I don't even know even know at this
Speaker 4: point because the season is almost over, so we shouldn't
Speaker 4: have these issues. Defensively, again, we played very very well
Speaker 4: to allow the offense to be able to get back
Speaker 4: into the game, simply because like you did say, the
Speaker 4: pigaball what you said, having the charges playing from behind
Speaker 4: the sticks, making it a little easier putting the ball
Speaker 4: back in the offensive hand, back in the offensi's hand
Speaker 4: and allowing them to do what they need to do.
Speaker 5: But the offense that we saw in the second half
Speaker 5: a game.
Speaker 4: To come back from to one point ly is what
Speaker 4: we need from the beginning of the game, from the
Speaker 4: start of the game.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure what the difference is in the.
Speaker 4: Second half from from for the first but whatever we
Speaker 4: did in the second half, we just started the goddamn
Speaker 4: game like that.
Speaker 5: The goddamn kitchen sink the motherfuckers. I don't know.
Speaker 1: If y'all gonna beat the Steelers in the first game
Speaker 1: in December, it's over for y'all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you ain't got to say it like that.
Speaker 2: I just.
Speaker 5: I asked lightly to talk nice to me.
Speaker 2: But you get what's going on with your WiFi?
Speaker 5: Is it working?
Speaker 1: Keep fading in and out? Do you get the because
Speaker 1: they give you two types. You can play the extra
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars and get the super high five, or you
Speaker 1: can get the.
Speaker 2: Run of the meal.
Speaker 5: Can you see me?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we see you.
Speaker 1: But it's your audio that keeps fading in and out.
Speaker 4: Oh man, damn see. I don't like when that be
Speaker 4: in these hotels bron to try to get the better,
Speaker 4: better WiFi. You want to keep going? What do you
Speaker 4: want to do?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: You probably should have got that from the beginning, but
Speaker 1: we learned lesson learn moving forward. Justin Herbert now has
Speaker 1: fifteen game winning drives in his career. Only Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: and Kirk Cousins have more since twenty twenty, when Herbert
Speaker 1: entered the league. I guess somebody wrote a text text
Speaker 1: from NFC GM the a mino regret that teams have
Speaker 1: for not hiring Jim Harbor when they had the chance.
Speaker 1: It's very real, yo. Will Jim Harbord be the best
Speaker 1: thing to have happened to Herbert in his career?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? Absolutely. You have to understand. I see Harvard similar
Speaker 4: to a Dan Campbell. I see Harbord similar to that
Speaker 4: of a Dion SAand as you go somewhere, the places
Speaker 4: that you do go not only do you turn the
Speaker 4: franchise of the program and the organization around that you're with.
Speaker 4: The quarterback that you're attached to also had success, yes,
Speaker 4: being betted with the ball offensively, being able to process
Speaker 4: information and make sure you play it away where you
Speaker 4: always give your team the best chance to win the game,
Speaker 4: which is why I think you saw what you did
Speaker 4: in the second half with him not making the desperation
Speaker 4: throws which allow the Bengals to come back come back
Speaker 4: in this game. The goddamn artist in our pole and
Speaker 4: its totality. They look completely different with a few different
Speaker 4: pieces defensively, but the defense looks different. The offense looks different.
Speaker 4: Quinn Johnson, young brother, I salute you, yung bro. I
Speaker 4: salute you. Your confidence is there. You look like a
Speaker 4: completely different receiver. I'm not sure if Harvall has anything
Speaker 4: to do with that, but I'm sure what he's brought
Speaker 4: to that culture and that that winning mentality has changed
Speaker 4: everything about that team. That's including the players and their play.
Speaker 1: The Bills hand the Chiefs the first loss of the season.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen rushes for a late touchdown on fourth down.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the Chiefs were thinking. They know
Speaker 1: they're gonna put the ball in Josh's hand and he's
Speaker 1: gonna run five.
Speaker 2: He's gonna run it.
Speaker 1: That's what he's done every time against the Kansas City
Speaker 1: Chiefs when they get to fourth down, they get to
Speaker 1: thirty one, that's what you're supposed to do. Put the
Speaker 1: ball in your best player's hand and let him do
Speaker 1: what he does. But the Bills put up thirty points
Speaker 1: against the Kansas City's defense that hadn't allowed more than
Speaker 1: thirty points Since Week four of twenty twenty two, forts
Speaker 1: mahone to throw two interceptions, Allen improved the four and
Speaker 1: one in the regular season over Mahomes. Buffalo is now
Speaker 1: not in two, a half game back of Kansas City
Speaker 1: for the best record in the AFC. Look, I mean, people,
Speaker 1: see the thing that I hate Ojoe is that, like,
Speaker 1: when we analyze a critique a great player, and that's
Speaker 1: what Mahomes is. He's a historically great player. People's like, well,
Speaker 1: Home's not playing well. And when you say that, people
Speaker 1: think that you're trying to take away from what he's
Speaker 1: already done.
Speaker 2: No, he's done that I'm talking about right now.
Speaker 1: Nobody can end there that even if you were the
Speaker 1: most ardent, die hardest of Chiefs fans thinks Mahomes is
Speaker 1: playing well, he's not. That doesn't mean And because he's
Speaker 1: not playing well, that doesn't mean do you believe he
Speaker 1: could turn around?
Speaker 2: Yes, but let's deal with what we need to deal with.
Speaker 1: Look how many interceptions he had as opposed to touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's damnar.
Speaker 1: Like every game you pistoled in, Mahome's gonna turn the
Speaker 1: ball over at least once at least once he's not
Speaker 1: playing well. He has not played well this year. He's
Speaker 1: had moments in which he's played well, but the totality
Speaker 1: Mahons needs to play clean for the entirety of the game.
Speaker 1: He would go stretches where he'd had five, six, seven,
Speaker 1: eight games and he would be virtually impeccle. Now you
Speaker 1: hope you can get five or six possessions in which
Speaker 1: he's in peckle, but he's not playing well. The defense
Speaker 1: gave up thirty. Like I said, think about it and
Speaker 1: see this is what normally happens. You know it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a situation on Joe. Somebody is gonna put points
Speaker 1: on your defense. This is where Mahomes needed to have
Speaker 1: that game to go get thirty one, to go get
Speaker 1: thirty four. So that's the question that you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to ask yourself. Cheeses fans follow the NFL. If somebody
Speaker 1: can have a day in which they get up on
Speaker 1: the Chiefs and have better than normal day against that defense, right,
Speaker 1: and Patrick Mahomes and this offense outdueling opposing team's offense.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and it used to.
Speaker 2: Be a no doubt.
Speaker 1: It used to be unless you score twenty eight or
Speaker 1: thirty points, you couldn't beat the.
Speaker 4: Chiefs right well, honestly if you think about it. And
Speaker 4: when we comes to the regular season now the Bills
Speaker 4: are four and one against the Chiefs. Yeah, but counts
Speaker 4: when we talk about that dueling situation where it matters
Speaker 4: most and rest Mahome coming in and playing his best
Speaker 4: football and opportune times has been in the postseason where
Speaker 4: they are three and zero against the Bills. So again,
Speaker 4: in the regular season, for some reason, the Bills have
Speaker 4: always had success when it comes to playing the Chiefs,
Speaker 4: but when it mattered most, when it mattered most in
Speaker 4: the postseason, Patrick Mahomes has always come on top in
Speaker 4: those dual games like that. But again, not to take
Speaker 4: anything away from the Bills and what they did today. Hell,
Speaker 4: I even had the Bills winning.
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, everybody, I think everybody it should have.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is O shoe is that people like,
Speaker 1: well Mahomes, Mahomes, but we've never seen home play stretches
Speaker 1: like this. That's the difference. Yeah, we know what he is,
Speaker 1: we know what he's done, right, but we haven't seen
Speaker 1: him play like this. We haven't had he had Worthy
Speaker 1: wide open and he throws and leaves him out of bounds.
Speaker 1: He leaves him up to feel us a touchdown. It's
Speaker 1: plays like that that he used to never miss, and
Speaker 1: now more it's more routine to see him miss those
Speaker 1: throws than make those throws, which is very uncommon. It's
Speaker 1: something that we're not used to seeing. The Bills mounted
Speaker 1: five scoring drives of at least eight plays and sixty yards.
Speaker 1: Four of those plays ended on a touchdown and one
Speaker 1: end of the field goal. So five of the six
Speaker 1: drives of at least eight plays and sixty yards ended
Speaker 1: in scores, four tds, one field goal. Josh Allen was
Speaker 1: twenty seven and forty two sixty two, one touchdown, one
Speaker 1: I n T. They ran the ball thirty one times
Speaker 1: fo one hundred and four yards. James Cook had two
Speaker 1: touchdowns and it was Josh Allen that sealed it. Laid
Speaker 1: on the fourth down twenty six yard run Patrick mahall
Speaker 1: I mean, look at it, twenty three of thirty three
Speaker 1: for one. If Patrick Mahlmes have a three on the
Speaker 1: yard game this year, he might.
Speaker 4: Have one, yeah, maybe maybe one, but again, you know what,
Speaker 4: you know what else, you know what else that comes
Speaker 4: into that. It makes it that much more difficult coming
Speaker 4: off of Super Bowl champion. I mean, coming off of
Speaker 4: Super Bowl win, everybody's targeting you ever you want to study.
Speaker 4: Everyone has studied you, all your tendencies, everything you like
Speaker 4: to do. They studied your offense, they studied your quarterback.
Speaker 4: So it makes it that much more difficult for Patrick
Speaker 4: Holmes and that offense as the people of game plan
Speaker 4: and prepared to play. So I think things are a
Speaker 4: little bit more difficult for them, and that that's on
Speaker 4: Andy Reid to continue to do what he does and
Speaker 4: being as creative as possible to throw the team that
Speaker 4: you're playing off.
Speaker 5: Because they're a little bit better prepared.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but give Buffalo credit.
Speaker 2: Buffalo.
Speaker 1: Buffalo is playing extremely well. Josh is playing He's running. Hey,
Speaker 1: you look at six foot five, six six two fifty
Speaker 1: two fifty five and he can run. And he's a
Speaker 1: low and once he once he opens up, man who's
Speaker 1: trying to tackle him, DBS ain't trying to tackle that man.
Speaker 2: So bad. Please, But he's playing well.
Speaker 1: He throw the ball, but I mean he's had what
Speaker 1: consecutive game, three consecutive games, I'm not mistaken turning the
Speaker 1: ball over. But he didn't turn it over when they
Speaker 1: was in the red zone, because a lot of times
Speaker 1: they were getting in trouble.
Speaker 2: He was throwing picks in the end zone. He was
Speaker 2: thumbing the ball in the red zone, and.
Speaker 1: He was taking potential points off the board, even though
Speaker 1: any drive could have ended in a point. You know,
Speaker 1: but when you throw the ball in the end zone
Speaker 1: and it gets turned over, you know you're already in
Speaker 1: field goal range. But dang uh if I told you
Speaker 1: the quarterback has thrown in eleven games. The ten games
Speaker 1: have thrown for twenty four hundred yards. He had fifteen
Speaker 1: touchdowns and eleven interceptions. What would you say, O Joe.
Speaker 4: They're probably losing. Thank you're probably losing if you don't
Speaker 4: put that, if you don't put the name, If you
Speaker 4: don't put the name, and you just say the stats
Speaker 4: in general, yep, losing team and whoever it is is
Speaker 4: playing very bad.
Speaker 2: Yep, very bad.
Speaker 4: And so the fact that it looks like that on
Speaker 4: and they're only and they're still nine and one, that
Speaker 4: says a lot about the player in general.
Speaker 5: Also as well.
Speaker 1: He's only had two games this season in which he
Speaker 1: has not thrown an interception.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, two games? How many three hundred yard games
Speaker 4: as he had.
Speaker 2: He had only one against the Saints. Yeah, okay, Dang
Speaker 2: came close.
Speaker 1: Against the Ravens he had two ninety one, and then
Speaker 1: against the Bengals he had one fifty one two seventeen
Speaker 1: Against the foul Becaus two forty five, three thirty one
Speaker 1: against the Saints, he had one fifty four against the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers two sixty two to two ninety one,
Speaker 1: two sixty six, one ninety six. It's completion percentage just
Speaker 1: off the chain. But that we understand why because they
Speaker 1: run a lot of smoke screens. They run a lot
Speaker 1: of screenplays, a lot of a lot of shallows, a
Speaker 1: lot of spots. So it's not like before where he
Speaker 1: was pushing the ball down the field like you do.
Speaker 1: We understand the offense changed substantially once they lost Tyreek.
Speaker 1: They found a new way to get the ball down
Speaker 1: the field. They're not as explosive as they once were. Right,
Speaker 1: as long as you win, you win. But you make
Speaker 1: it very very difficult when you turn the ball over,
Speaker 1: and even as great as your defense is, you keep
Speaker 1: turning it over big Eventually they're gonna crack. Yeah, most
Speaker 1: definitely crack. But give Buffalo credit. Let's not ay take
Speaker 1: anything away from them. They played really really well today.
Speaker 1: They got some big time played, have a couple of
Speaker 1: big catches, Samuel played really well, had came up some
Speaker 1: key third downs. But the Bills win and move within
Speaker 1: a half game of Kansas City for the number one
Speaker 1: seed in the AFC. The Bills fans hang a Kermit
Speaker 1: the frog puppet, and if I'm not mistaken, on Joe,
Speaker 1: they had a fifteen on his jersey, O Joe, what
Speaker 1: do you think about this?
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, it's an ongoing thing with them making
Speaker 4: fun of fun of mahomes voice home because of his voice,
Speaker 4: because of how he talks, and comparing him to Kermit.
Speaker 4: I think it's been ongoing anything. I think Mahomes has
Speaker 4: addressed it. I don't think it doesn't really bother him.
Speaker 4: But I understand the whole thing.
Speaker 2: They won.
Speaker 4: But again, they might those Bills fans might want to
Speaker 4: be cautious. It's just the regular season because when it matters,
Speaker 4: most were got and Pat Mahomes is three and zero
Speaker 4: against you know, the Bills. The Bills and their fans, Uh,
Speaker 4: we're gonna see he gonna remember that he's gonna remember that. So,
Speaker 4: you know, kudos to the Bills, I mean kudos are
Speaker 4: their fans. I had the Bills winning, winning this game.
Speaker 4: And Josh Allen Man young Man, young Bull is the
Speaker 4: real deal man, He's the real deal. Obviously did have
Speaker 4: a turnover and he has been turnover prone in the past,
Speaker 4: and I think that's been his achilles heel. But this
Speaker 4: year he's been He's been protected the ball for the
Speaker 4: most part extremely well the season, and I think I
Speaker 4: think they're gonna they're gonna go far.
Speaker 5: They're gonna go They're gonna go really, really, really far
Speaker 5: this year.
Speaker 1: You like, you like Buffalo better this year than in
Speaker 1: previous years.
Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
Speaker 4: The fact that not only is Josh Allen playing well,
Speaker 4: he's not a turnover machine as he once was. He's
Speaker 4: not relying on the on his arm strength, the squeeze ball,
Speaker 4: squeeze ball in places where he shouldn't be trying to
Speaker 4: throw it. H Yeah, so he's he's improved on that.
Speaker 4: And and for the fact that he's not a turnable
Speaker 4: machine right now. I had the Bills going much further
Speaker 4: as opposed to they have in previous years.
Speaker 1: Lamar can't get it done. He couldn't beat can't beat
Speaker 1: the Steelers again.
Speaker 2: Oh Joe.
Speaker 1: The Lamar Jackson Steelers RUSS. The Steelers beat Baltimore eighteen sixteen.
Speaker 1: It's just been difficult for the Ravens to overtake the
Speaker 1: Steelers when Lamar continues to.
Speaker 2: Struggle against them.
Speaker 1: Now, you know the fans gonna come out there and say, well,
Speaker 1: he ain't got no receivers and he ain't got this.
Speaker 2: They're gonna blame Todd Munkin for the call because it ain't.
Speaker 1: Lamar played bad, and he's played bad more routinely than
Speaker 1: not when he's faced the Steelers.
Speaker 4: The great question, Yes, so about to about the Ravens
Speaker 4: Steelers game? Yes, answer for me.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 5: How many times did Derrick Henry Kirk carry the ball today?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: They ran?
Speaker 1: Derreck Henry had thirteen carries, they had the ball. They
Speaker 1: ran the ball nineteen times for one to twenty four.
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson threw the ball thirty three times for two
Speaker 1: hundred and seven yards. Now we go back and look Cleveland,
Speaker 1: what was the ratio? But y'all don't want to bet, y'all,
Speaker 1: but see when we try to, I tell you your
Speaker 1: recipe to make a great dish that everybody in Baltimore
Speaker 1: and Malland and the surrounding county is gonna love we hate,
Speaker 1: but y'all keep doing it this way. But anyway, let
Speaker 1: me finish this on Joe, the reigning MVP, is now
Speaker 1: one to four against the Steelers after completing just forty
Speaker 1: eight percent of his passes sixteen to thirty three, which
Speaker 1: does not include a desperation toss on a failed two
Speaker 1: point conversion.
Speaker 2: Justin Tucker missed two field goals.
Speaker 1: He missed field goals from forty seven and fifty yards
Speaker 1: in the first quarter, which marked the first time since
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two that he's failed to convert on back
Speaker 1: to back attempts. Tucker has now missed six field goals
Speaker 1: this season. Last season, he only missed five. Tucker said
Speaker 1: the playing surface was an ideal Tucker, how many years
Speaker 1: have you kicked in fifthsburn every time? Name of time,
Speaker 1: this time of year. That the Steelers playing surface is ideal.
Speaker 1: What we've seen from Tuck is that he's no longer automatic. O. Joe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: kicks from fifty five.
Speaker 2: In the money.
Speaker 1: He could kick on the moon, he could kick in Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: he could kick in Denver.
Speaker 2: It did not matter.
Speaker 1: But now there're no, that's no longer the case because
Speaker 1: now what was if the game was closed and you
Speaker 1: put it on the foot of Tuck, Tuck was gonna
Speaker 1: handle it?
Speaker 2: What? What did? What did they do? First game with? Uh?
Speaker 1: They played? Who did the Ravens play the forty nine
Speaker 1: ers over the night? No, the Ravens played the Kansas
Speaker 1: City Give me all the start. Let's let's see with
Speaker 1: the run ratio the pass ratio because they've lost. How
Speaker 1: many games have the Ravens lost?
Speaker 2: Four? Now, right, they lost four? Let's let's see the
Speaker 2: ratio run past.
Speaker 1: We know they've lost when they passed the ball more
Speaker 1: against Cleveland and the Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: Let's see the other two losses. If the run ratio
Speaker 4: what it was? Right?
Speaker 5: Probably the same, but.
Speaker 1: We're going to find out because I want to speculate.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get this right, because you know, O, Joe,
Speaker 1: they want us to be perfect, so let's make sure
Speaker 1: we're perfect. Somebody gonna say, oh, get on, Joe, they
Speaker 1: did blah blah blah. So we're gonna make sure we
Speaker 1: got it right. Let's see what Let's see what the
Speaker 1: ratio is?
Speaker 4: Hey, you do know if Tuck, if Tuck makes one
Speaker 4: of those field goals, the Ravens win the game.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: Well, if that's to say, if Steelers cash one of
Speaker 1: those red zone possessions, you know they win the game.
Speaker 1: Right Since we're doing hypotheticals, one team kick six field
Speaker 1: goals from the.
Speaker 4: Red zone, six field goals on Steelers in the game
Speaker 4: without scoring a touchdown. Yes, in real life. This ain't
Speaker 4: no video game. And they got damn defense. Boy, they
Speaker 4: know they were playing some.
Speaker 2: Ball like that.
Speaker 1: Thirty two of us running plays and they had seventy two,
Speaker 1: so that seventy four, so that means the other forty
Speaker 1: was throwing. Okay, So they threw it more against Kansas
Speaker 1: City and they ran it. They lost. They threw it
Speaker 1: more against the Steelers, then they ran it and they lost.
Speaker 1: They threw it more against the Cleveland and they lost.
Speaker 1: What did they do against the Raiders? They lost against
Speaker 1: the Raiders. Also, I just, I just, I mean, I
Speaker 1: just don't understand how you think thirteen carries is enough
Speaker 1: for Derrick Henry. It's not that complicated. Now, Look, I
Speaker 1: understand earning the game. It changed the momentium of the
Speaker 1: game with Henry bumble. It looked like they were going
Speaker 1: in to get points then and it kind of changed
Speaker 1: things around.
Speaker 2: But give it back to him.
Speaker 1: Every game in which they lost, they've thrown the ball
Speaker 1: more than they've won. When they excuse me, then they've
Speaker 1: run it. When they run it more than they throw it.
Speaker 1: Guess what happens on Joe.
Speaker 5: They win?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, they win. They win every time.
Speaker 4: Listen, we've talked, we've talked about the recipe for the
Speaker 4: Ravens for a very long time, you know, understanding what
Speaker 4: what it takes for them to win games.
Speaker 5: Obviously, when that when they do give the when they
Speaker 5: give Derrick Henry the ball.
Speaker 4: I say more than twenty I say more than twenty
Speaker 4: times a game they always come out and winning in
Speaker 4: and everyone.
Speaker 2: I just I just don't. I just don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't owe Yoe, I don't. I don't understand why
Speaker 1: you have Derrick Henry and you leave and you leave
Speaker 1: a game and Derrick Henry only has thirteen carries and
Speaker 1: you feel good about that, m hmm, the same thing.
Speaker 1: I mean he has sixteen carris. He has sixteen carris.
Speaker 1: If if I'm not mistaken, O, Joe, against Cleveland. I can't
Speaker 1: go back off the top of my head.
Speaker 4: It was sixteen, the number one sixteen against against against
Speaker 4: the Browns, it was sixteen.
Speaker 5: But also playing against the Steelers.
Speaker 4: You know what, I think it also does from from
Speaker 4: for Todd Monkin, I think it scared them.
Speaker 5: Away from calling the run plays when the Steelers defense
Speaker 5: is playing. That got damn.
Speaker 1: But I thought you told me you don't let somebody
Speaker 1: dictate your play. Now would you tell me you don't
Speaker 1: let nobody dictate?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't. You don't.
Speaker 5: You're not supposed to. You're not supposed to.
Speaker 4: But again, when things I'm working, when things I'm working
Speaker 4: it's not going good, you tend to straight away from
Speaker 4: it when another team is not allowing you to do
Speaker 4: what you want to do.
Speaker 1: Oh cho, we saw this against the Bengals, you remember,
Speaker 1: and over time they give the ball to Dad Henry.
Speaker 2: What do you do? He ran him to a victory. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, this ain't college where guys average ten yards the
Speaker 1: cliff every time they touched the ball. Yes, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of two yards, one yards, five yards, but you
Speaker 1: weigh down the defense and plusant play action. You know,
Speaker 1: just ask Lamar just to drop back and throw the ball.
Speaker 1: That's not what he is. Can he throw the ball?
Speaker 1: Has he got exponentially better? Yes, But you need to
Speaker 1: play action off of that because the Steelers are very good.
Speaker 1: They got a nice scheme and think about it, rush
Speaker 1: through an interception in the end zone, no joke.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would have got more points.
Speaker 4: Yeah that that should have been a touch. You just
Speaker 4: had to bring it down a little bit.
Speaker 2: I say, I say, come on, I just I just
Speaker 2: don't get it.
Speaker 1: Why the Ravens are so hell being trying to prove
Speaker 1: that we could throw our way to a victory. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day. If you holding the Lombardy,
Speaker 1: why do you care how you got it? If you
Speaker 1: had to run back three puns to win the game,
Speaker 1: or had to block two field goals.
Speaker 2: Who cares? But this is not your recipe for winning, right.
Speaker 5: Dang hey. But it was a good game though, I
Speaker 5: can tell you that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good I mean, look, it's a
Speaker 1: robber game. It's gonna be highly contested. Uh, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be close. Yes, Yes, they turned them all over three times,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you go on the road, you
Speaker 1: turn them ball over three times, you probably you probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been in the game.
Speaker 2: You probably shouldn't have to be in the game.
Speaker 1: And based on on on what we've seen from the defense,
Speaker 1: they normally uh, they gave up eighteen points and they
Speaker 1: kept them out of the end zone. You know, the
Speaker 1: raven Peak teams have been having their way with the
Speaker 1: Ravens in the second day, O Joe. So give the
Speaker 1: Ravens credit for standing on their head and keeping them
Speaker 1: out of the end zone. But this is this was
Speaker 1: a very winnable game. This was a very militable game
Speaker 1: for the for the Ravens, and they got They've got
Speaker 1: to find ways to win games like this. But I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what happened, Yes, sir, they played like this.
Speaker 1: Jared Golf just sprong board right back into the m
Speaker 1: v PE conversation. I don't know if you saw his
Speaker 1: game today to day, that was disrespectful. Okay, okay, you
Speaker 1: saw so you saw it. He's just strong board his
Speaker 1: way right back into the m VP conversation.
Speaker 4: You know who also is in there. I don't I
Speaker 4: don't want to leave Josh Allen. I don't want to
Speaker 4: leave Josh out of that. But you know what's gonna
Speaker 4: happen with that Lamar Jackson has an off game, he
Speaker 4: has a game where he doesn't play well today, But
Speaker 4: what's gonna happen and gonna come back next week and
Speaker 4: he's gonna put himself right back in the front runner
Speaker 4: for that.
Speaker 2: God damn well, I still believe he's the front runner.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that that that Jared Goff got his
Speaker 1: way back into it because he, come to think about it,
Speaker 1: O Joe, he threw five picks and they still found
Speaker 1: a way to win the game.
Speaker 2: Because what right last week?
Speaker 1: Because in that final drive when they needed to get
Speaker 1: in position, what did he do?
Speaker 2: He made every throw?
Speaker 1: So now it's much worse you throw five interceptions that
Speaker 1: you lose the game. But he ended up having the
Speaker 1: game when he drives, right, So people are like, Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: he played bad, but when they needed to have something,
Speaker 1: he went and got it for I still believe Lamar's
Speaker 1: in the front in the front, I mean what, he
Speaker 1: had a touchdown in an interception. So now he has
Speaker 1: twenty five. He's twenty five and three. That's still pretty
Speaker 1: damn good stats. So Joe, and there's seven and four,
Speaker 1: there's seven and four. Now, golf does have great numbers
Speaker 1: and they've only lost one game, so sure.
Speaker 4: I don't mean to do this, but if the Bangs
Speaker 4: were winning, Joe Borrow would also be in the MVP.
Speaker 2: Absolutely have to be right.
Speaker 5: I just want to throw that out there. I just
Speaker 5: want to throw that at there.
Speaker 1: But y'all not, we deal with people that are winning.
Speaker 1: So don't bring that up again. When day when day
Speaker 1: come on chance laying with me? When day when day
Speaker 1: when they're gonna win enough game? When day when day
Speaker 1: when they gonna win enough game? When day when when
Speaker 1: they don't win a game?
Speaker 5: That's not necessary. You ain't got to do that. I'm already.
Speaker 4: I'm already my feelings about my bangles man, and I
Speaker 4: was I was hoping we could pull it off today
Speaker 4: and just it's like, if it ain't, if it ain't
Speaker 4: one thing, that's another. If it ain't if it ain't
Speaker 4: one thing, that's another. Man, God damn, yeah it is.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know, guys. I don't know if y'all know this,
Speaker 1: But I used to vote for a decade. I voted
Speaker 1: for all the litwards, All Pro Defense, and Offensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year. And I'm just telling how the god
Speaker 1: I know there's fifty many women. I'm just telling how they.
Speaker 1: Y'all can say all that hate ish y'all want to,
Speaker 1: but I'm telling you Jerry Goff won a game in
Speaker 1: which you threw five picks because he had the game
Speaker 1: winning drive, and he followed it up today.
Speaker 2: Did y'all see them drop a fifty two piece? Oh Joe?
Speaker 2: Did you realize they went.
Speaker 1: Touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 2: Feel go kneel down.
Speaker 1: Let me say that again, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown.
Speaker 2: Feel go kneel down.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if y'all know it, y'all think
Speaker 1: it seemed like that man got like five touchdowns and
Speaker 1: seven and seven touchdowns and five picks. Go check your
Speaker 1: stans out and they're winning. They're the number one seed
Speaker 1: in the NFC. Yeah, the same thing, the same thing.
Speaker 1: Lamar didn't have the greatest numbers last year. He was
Speaker 1: twenty four and eight, right with the number one seed.
Speaker 1: Golf is gonna have outstanding numbers, and it looks like
Speaker 1: they're heading for the number one seed.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, three turnovers, two men's field goals, and it seemed
Speaker 1: like the Ravens played their worst football where they played
Speaker 1: the f.
Speaker 2: And Steelers every time.
Speaker 4: Listen, you know, again, the game is not as physical
Speaker 4: as it once was when we were playing on so
Speaker 4: I can't really say it was a it's a two
Speaker 4: tin strap game.
Speaker 5: You gotta bring you got to bring your two tin
Speaker 5: traps and buckle that motherfucker.
Speaker 4: Because obviously the turnover with Barrick Henry was somebody coming
Speaker 4: from the side. It wasn't, you know, a hit, you know,
Speaker 4: like like, oh my goodness, he hit him so hardy fumbled,
Speaker 4: but it was I'm not gonna say, Look, just he
Speaker 4: had the ball and at the wrong opportune time it
Speaker 4: came out.
Speaker 5: You know, that's it. And obviously two turnovers.
Speaker 4: The other two turnovers you take justin Tucker, it's a
Speaker 4: game and his uncle just makes one of those field goals.
Speaker 4: It makes a difference in the ball game, you know,
Speaker 4: I know it's hypothetical, but it makes a difference in
Speaker 4: the ball game. That's why when he was automatic, if
Speaker 4: he was automatically like he once was in in in
Speaker 4: the past, it makes a difference in the game.
Speaker 5: When the offense is sputter and when the offense isn't
Speaker 5: playing well.
Speaker 1: Yes, but you know this type of game is going
Speaker 1: to be. It's these games are normally low scoring, O joe.
Speaker 1: Even if you score touchdowns, it ain't like these games
Speaker 1: been thirty five, thirty thirty five, thirty four, forty one,
Speaker 1: thirty eight. That's not the type of game. These defensive
Speaker 1: These teams are built on defense. They they're bullies. Although
Speaker 1: Lamar obviously the Ravens have an MVP and an Offensive
Speaker 1: Player of the Year and Derek Henry in the backfield,
Speaker 1: so they're a lot more explosive than they have been
Speaker 1: in the years past. Uh Flowers and Bateman and Aguilar
Speaker 1: and likely and Andrews. They got the Hey, look they
Speaker 1: got an offense. There's no excuses for the Ravens this year. Offensively,
Speaker 1: There's none, O joe. There's none. They got they got healed,
Speaker 1: they got Henry, they got two outstanding tight ends.
Speaker 2: They got good rest, They got good receivers.
Speaker 1: I love Za Flowers, Bateman, Agilary, they Wallace, they they
Speaker 1: they they got some really they got some really talented
Speaker 1: and good players. The thing that concerned me was their defense,
Speaker 1: because I'm still a little shaky on their secondary O Joe.
Speaker 1: I am I am, but I gotta give him credit today.
Speaker 1: They kept George Pickens under control. Uh. He had twelve targets,
Speaker 1: eight catches, Washington had two catchers, and Harris had four.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: They ran kept really under control, running the football thirty
Speaker 1: four carres for.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, I mean, and the Steelers had what seventy two plays?
Speaker 1: They ran third seventy two plays to the Ravens fifty
Speaker 1: two fifty five. How many total players did the Ravens have?
Speaker 1: I mean, he says Lamar threw thirty ball thirty three times.
Speaker 1: They had nineteen rush attempts. But you probably have a
Speaker 1: couple of plays throwaways of penalties, Dan. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: fifty two. So they have fifty two to seventy, fifty
Speaker 1: two to seventy. It's just seventy. So the Steelers read
Speaker 1: eighteen more plays fifty forty seventy four, so they're still
Speaker 1: read twenty four. Okay. Are the Ravens their biggest detriment?
Speaker 1: This is what Lamar said. Absolutely, It's been that way
Speaker 1: every since last year. I believe, going back to the
Speaker 1: FC Championship game, we killed ourselves, the Chiefs game in
Speaker 1: the over, we killed ourselves, raided game, we killed ourselves today.
Speaker 2: Same thing.
Speaker 1: We can't keep beating ourselves in these type of games.
Speaker 1: Issues annoying, would you think, O Joe? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: that ain't no consolation. O't Joe'd be honest with itself.
Speaker 2: Oh so, let me ask you a question.
Speaker 1: Did this did this Did this loss go into the
Speaker 1: did it go into the did it go into the
Speaker 1: who got to win?
Speaker 2: Whether the Steelers or yourself.
Speaker 5: Steers got to win?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you keep saying you beat yourself at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the same thing. It is the
Speaker 1: same results you lost for guess what happened to come
Speaker 1: playoff time. If you beat yourself, you're going home because
Speaker 1: this is not basketball, This is not baseball. That's what
Speaker 1: we love about football so much, Ojoe. You get one shot,
Speaker 1: that's it. One shot. In some a lot of times,
Speaker 1: the best team doesn't always win. Is the team that
Speaker 1: plays the best that day.
Speaker 2: Faith.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why we love football because we're gonna probably
Speaker 1: get that upset. You're probably not gonna get the upset
Speaker 1: that you would normally get in a series, because the
Speaker 1: better team over a seven game series, the better team
Speaker 1: would normally win, right, But in one game and anything
Speaker 1: can happen. Right, They got to find a way to
Speaker 1: fix these They got to find a way to tighten
Speaker 1: this thing up. They got to go into the point.
Speaker 1: Listen there, I don't care what anybody says. Dad, Henry
Speaker 1: needs to get the ball more than thirteen damn times.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Carriot, more than thirteen more than camp Lamar.
Speaker 1: Jackson is going perfect from the end, and we've seen
Speaker 1: him go perfect. We have he had a perfect game.
Speaker 1: Where was he like six seventeen eighteen? But look how
Speaker 1: many carriers they give him? Derreck, You got to give
Speaker 1: him the ball. That's why you brought him in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not a fancy accessory. He's a necessity, not an accessory.
Speaker 2: Y'all need to treat him as such. Right.
Speaker 1: Jets continue there to continue to be terrible. The Coats
Speaker 1: go on the road and they win. Aaron Rodgers worst
Speaker 1: winning percentage than Zach Wilson and Sam Darnold in a
Speaker 1: Jets uniform. Winning percentage that starting quarterbacks for the Jets
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson three sixty four, Sam Donald three forty two,
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers two seventy three. The Jets fired Robert Salo
Speaker 1: when the team was two and three one game, one
Speaker 1: game out of first place in the FC's The team
Speaker 1: three losses at the time forty nine Ers five and five,
Speaker 1: Ronco sixty five, Bays eight and two Denver Minnesota were
Speaker 1: one score losses, with the Jets offense failing to score
Speaker 1: on their final possession. Since they fired Robert Saler, the
Speaker 1: New York Jets are one in five.
Speaker 5: So who are gonna who are they gonna point to
Speaker 5: blame that?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: I'm just curious. Uh, the media, Now the media. When
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers talked, who is he going to blame?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: The media? Uh, well, he can't blame he can't blame
Speaker 1: Mike Williams. But the media. Uh, it's the stench in
Speaker 1: the building because they've been losing so long and these
Speaker 1: guys don't understand what it takes to win. He ain't
Speaker 1: gonna play. He gonna put it on himself. Now, Oh
Speaker 1: you thought fake him?
Speaker 2: I would hope.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 4: I would think at some point, understanding that you are
Speaker 4: the leader of that team, at some point you take accountability.
Speaker 4: You take accountability for the fact that maybe I'm not
Speaker 4: playing well, maybe I'm not playing as as good as
Speaker 4: I should be to give us a.
Speaker 5: Chance to win.
Speaker 4: In those moments when it counts most. Am I making
Speaker 4: the throws? Am I making the plays to give my
Speaker 4: team the best chance to win?
Speaker 2: You know what?
Speaker 4: Right now, I'm not playing well. Not once, not once,
Speaker 4: have we heard that at all?
Speaker 1: The numbers speak as mass mass mass, that's what they
Speaker 1: need to be shouting. I would go to that with
Speaker 1: five Marshalls. It's on the one side. I would be
Speaker 1: on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, hill, he past.
Speaker 1: I'm just run out of people. Now, look, you blame
Speaker 1: Robert Solo, you Blaeve? Uh, what's the what's the coordinator?
Speaker 2: Hackett?
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, William I want to go hold that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just waiting on. I'm just waiting on the roll call.
Speaker 1: Who next, Chap? Who next? Who get blamed?
Speaker 2: Hey? Again?
Speaker 4: The funny thing about it is this has been an
Speaker 4: ongoing issue, whether Aaron Rodgers was there or not, regardless
Speaker 4: to what quarterback was at the helm. Regardless of what
Speaker 4: quarterback was there in that situation, the Jets have always
Speaker 4: had this problem for a very long time. For a
Speaker 4: very long time. They haven't had a winning season for
Speaker 4: a very long time.
Speaker 1: But I thought, hold on, what about that Cayenne pepper
Speaker 1: and water I thought that was the fountain of the
Speaker 1: youths fountain of youth for.
Speaker 5: That Cayenne pepper.
Speaker 1: Hold on, what about? What about when you you know?
Speaker 1: Hold what do you say you got to embrace the darkness? Right?
Speaker 2: I thought we embracing darkness? Right?
Speaker 1: I thought we go down house to wacabout washing to
Speaker 1: washertusa or whatever it is.
Speaker 2: You know that stuff that you got.
Speaker 1: The hallooin magenic properties in it, right, it calls you
Speaker 1: to go out of your mind.
Speaker 2: Maybe you need to take another trip.
Speaker 1: I mean, hey, they got a game next week, but
Speaker 1: won't you go and make a I mean, ain't require
Speaker 1: you know game. You know, sometimes they're mandatory, sometimes they're volunteering,
Speaker 1: So maybe you take a you don't take a voluntary trip,
Speaker 1: just go away, right, I mean three and eight? What
Speaker 1: you think what you think the Jeff's record would be
Speaker 1: without it? If I'm three and eight.
Speaker 2: With him, you don't think I go three and eight
Speaker 2: without him?
Speaker 4: I say fifty billion, yeah, yeah, yeah, But you're paying
Speaker 4: for what you think you're gonna get. You're paying for
Speaker 4: what you think you're gonna get from the past and
Speaker 4: what he's done in the past based on his resume,
Speaker 4: that's what you're paying is.
Speaker 1: But see, that's what I love about sports on Joe
Speaker 1: because it's the one thing that you required, you update
Speaker 1: your resume every single week to you got to oh,
Speaker 1: oh you got this great resume. Oh it's unbelievable, it's affacable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Janet Jackson said the best. You say, what have you
Speaker 1: done for me lately?
Speaker 2: Though?
Speaker 5: But you know what you know, it's funny.
Speaker 4: You know they always stend a certain position grace when
Speaker 4: it comes to what they've.
Speaker 5: Done in the past.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what they think.
Speaker 4: They always extend a certain a certain court of a
Speaker 4: certain position. They extend them grace based on what they've
Speaker 4: done in the past.
Speaker 2: I don't I believe, O Joe, I am. This is
Speaker 2: how I believe.
Speaker 1: I believe that there's never been a player or a
Speaker 1: person that's been above reproach. I don't give you what
Speaker 1: you deserve. I give you what you earned. He's earned
Speaker 1: the criticism in which we're leveling against him.
Speaker 2: Everybody knows.
Speaker 1: If you know me, if you follow Shannon Shark for
Speaker 1: my time on undisput it, I've been Aaron Rodgers' biggest supporter.
Speaker 2: Do I think he's arrogant? Yes.
Speaker 1: Do I think he's flipping yes. Do I think he's
Speaker 1: condescended yes. Do I think he's dismissing yes. Do I
Speaker 1: think he blames others for his mistakes? Absolutely? But I
Speaker 1: say he's one of He's the greatest thrower of the
Speaker 1: football that I've ever seen with my own joy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I believe to I believe I can fairly assess.
Speaker 1: Do I like how he's treated somebody to blame others? No,
Speaker 1: But that doesn't stop me from doing my job and
Speaker 1: saying he's a damn good when he plays well, I
Speaker 1: have no problem saying Aaron Rodgers has played well for
Speaker 1: seven and a half years. But I know, but I've
Speaker 1: talked to people, I know people, and we'll just leave
Speaker 1: it at that.
Speaker 2: But hey, and you're right.
Speaker 1: A lot of time, when someone is so great, you
Speaker 1: willing to overlook their flaws.
Speaker 5: That's a good one right now.
Speaker 2: And that's when anything.
Speaker 1: It's just not with sports, somebody that's really good at something,
Speaker 1: you allow them to do a lot of things that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't allow somebody else to do.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But what I think the things that I love most
Speaker 1: about a person, about people that have power then lived
Speaker 1: on a music.
Speaker 2: John knew.
Speaker 1: John could miss practice and he could not be at
Speaker 1: many camps, or he could do something never right never, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when you when you blow it off. See See,
Speaker 1: there's a difference between being able to influence people and
Speaker 1: being able to leave people.
Speaker 2: Now, don't tell let that go over your head.
Speaker 5: Now, that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Let's move on you. Let's go Let's move on Joe
Speaker 1: because were her. This was Richardson's first game back of
Speaker 1: the starter and was a milestone afternoon for the second
Speaker 1: your quarterback. He threw four career high two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy two yards and a passing touchdown, and had his
Speaker 1: best completion percentage in a game where he attempted at
Speaker 1: least twenty passes. Richardon also added thirty two yards and
Speaker 1: two scores on ten Russian attempts. Is his first game
Speaker 1: with multiple Russian touchdowns since Week two of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: Today was his first game with three combined touchdown. If
Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, I saw something that says Richardson is
Speaker 1: younger than Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2: He's younger than Beck, he's younger than cam Ward.
Speaker 1: He's younger than all the quarterbacks that's playing that's gonna
Speaker 1: come into the draft, O Joe. And he's two years
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 4: And on top of that, I'm happy. I'm meant to
Speaker 4: send it to you because, oh, because I was reading
Speaker 4: this thing.
Speaker 1: Oh, Joe, Right, Chador's in college, cam Ward is in college.
Speaker 1: Beck is in college. Right, this guy is the second
Speaker 1: year in the league. Yeah, and he's younger than them.
Speaker 5: How does that happen?
Speaker 2: He's younger than bo Knicks?
Speaker 5: How does that happen?
Speaker 2: That life? You try to get me the line?
Speaker 5: Okay, Okao, say okay, listen, I'm gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He's younger than your door Sanders, Carson Beck, Dylan Gabriel,
Speaker 1: Jade Daniels, Caleb Williams, bow Knicks, and Michael Pennick's junior.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm confused. How does that happen? He's been in
Speaker 4: the NFL for two years?
Speaker 1: COVID? I guess you know. COVID you got you got
Speaker 1: three four, you got three extra years. So normally you
Speaker 1: have five to do four with COVID, you got eight
Speaker 1: to do five. Right, That's all I got for you,
Speaker 1: O Joe. I wish I could give you something else
Speaker 1: on yo to hey, so you can seek your teeth
Speaker 1: into But that's.
Speaker 4: All right, right, right right, I really can't bite it
Speaker 4: into that what you just told me.
Speaker 5: I came bite into that, because.
Speaker 2: How is it? How is how is he? Like?
Speaker 6: Twenty one turn twenty two?
Speaker 5: Well young you young bully, young man. Yes, young, I'm
Speaker 5: glad he I'm glad he.
Speaker 2: Paid you, glady bounce back to I'm glad he bounced
Speaker 2: back to.
Speaker 1: And you know, maybe that situation where he pulled himself
Speaker 1: out of the gate, he learned, he young, he young,
Speaker 1: I mean, lets a learned sometimes ohoe, you just keep
Speaker 1: your mouth shut. Yeah that you you ain't got to
Speaker 1: share everything with everybody, right right.
Speaker 4: He was a little too honest, look too honest. He
Speaker 4: was a little too honest to a fault.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it is okay to misspeak the truth if it
Speaker 1: will say great harm or embarrassment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what else what I need to do offensively?
Speaker 4: You know he had a shoulder, certain shoulder, certain, he.
Speaker 1: Gotta stop loading that shoulder. Put the bad shoulder again
Speaker 1: the left. Oh sho, I got it. I need this.
Speaker 5: Foret forget that part that these are design runs.
Speaker 4: They put the RMS weight with design runs obviously trying
Speaker 4: to take the ball out of his hands and making
Speaker 4: sure he does doesn't, you know, have any turnovers, and
Speaker 4: make sure he protects the ball they give him design runs.
Speaker 5: Protect your quarterback a little bit more protectingly, protect them
Speaker 5: a little bit more. Please.
Speaker 1: But oh joe, if he just if he gets three
Speaker 1: percent better, Yeah, with the weapons that he has Peers
Speaker 1: and Pittman Jr. And Ali cox Man, Oh joe, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he got weapons. Jonathan Taylor can run the football.
Speaker 1: They got a solid offensive line. Now it's not as
Speaker 1: as dominant as it once was, but they're still solid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're still solid.
Speaker 1: Boy, if he just get incrementally better going to the
Speaker 1: lab and says, I'm gonna get better and throwing this
Speaker 1: damn football.
Speaker 5: Yeah, being able to touch, being being finessed every ball, every.
Speaker 1: Ball, with that, with that, with that, uh, with that offense,
Speaker 1: with that offensive west skill, the weapons that he has.
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: Hey, he can be. He can be. He can be.
Speaker 1: He can be special man, because you see it, you
Speaker 1: see six but he he six ' four, two fifty five.
Speaker 2: He can run.
Speaker 1: Got a great athletic system. But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, you gotta be able to throw the football.
Speaker 1: The best quarterbacks were probably your least after they're the
Speaker 1: least athletic players on the f and field.
Speaker 2: Now not.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you take Vick, can you take guys
Speaker 1: like Vick and Lamar? But on the average, when you
Speaker 1: go back and look at all the quarterbacks that have played,
Speaker 1: the only position they could have played was quarterback. What
Speaker 1: let me ask you a question, what position you think
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was gonna play other than quarterback? Peyton, Danny Jeorge,
Speaker 1: I they gonna play, They play anything but quarterback. Yeah,
Speaker 1: hey big Probably Big could have been a running back,
Speaker 1: could have been a dB.
Speaker 2: Same thing with Lamar, could have been running back, could
Speaker 2: have been a wide receiver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, most of us play quarterback at some point in time.
Speaker 2: Play wide receiver, play running back, play defeat.
Speaker 1: I guarantee you most of the quarterbacks the only thing
Speaker 1: they ever played was quarterback.
Speaker 5: Quarterback.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Detroit was fired on all celers today, Oh Joe,
Speaker 1: and they demolished the Jags fifty two to six. The
Speaker 1: Lions set of franchise records for marginal victory plus forty
Speaker 1: six total yards, six hundred and forty five first downs,
Speaker 1: thirty eight, Detroit scored touchdowns on each of its first
Speaker 1: seven offensive possessions. The Lions are only the third team
Speaker 1: in the past forty five years to do it. The
Speaker 1: two are the Patriots, the two thousand and nine Patriots
Speaker 1: and the two thousand and seven Patriots, a team you
Speaker 1: might remember when every game they played that season until
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So Jered Goff was twenty four of
Speaker 1: twenty nine, four hundred and twelve yards, four.
Speaker 2: Touchdowns, zero picks.
Speaker 1: They ran the ball forty three times for one hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety six yards, and they had four forty They
Speaker 1: had four hundred and forty nine total passing yards. It
Speaker 1: took golf out. Herndon Hooker came in. He was three
Speaker 1: or four. Almond Almanra Saint Brown eleven catches, one sixty one,
Speaker 1: two tugs, James and William four for one, four touchdown,
Speaker 1: Jamir Gibbs one catch fifty four yards, Khalif Raymond two
Speaker 1: catches thirty yards, so forth and so on, and a
Speaker 1: part of Jenner pair tree.
Speaker 2: Hey, how you stop that man? How you stop? How
Speaker 2: do you spot like that?
Speaker 4: When you get contributions from everywhere, from your running game,
Speaker 4: from your passing game, you got two receivers going over
Speaker 4: one hundred. You can't find a way to stop a Monro,
Speaker 4: You can't find a way to stop Jameis Williams.
Speaker 5: Then you got to deal with the goddamn running game.
Speaker 4: You got to deal with Montgomery, crazy ass, you got
Speaker 4: to deal with goddamn Sunk the Hedgehog and Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 5: There's nothing you can do. And then defensively they paint.
Speaker 4: Offensively, you got damn Brian Branch, crazy ass and the
Speaker 4: rest of that goddamn company out there.
Speaker 5: They playing extremely well. I mean, what do you do?
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 5: You hang up fifty two. This is the NFL game.
Speaker 4: This is the NFL game against another NFL team, an
Speaker 4: NFL team that's supposed to be the best of the best.
Speaker 5: I know, I know it's the Jacks. I know it's
Speaker 5: the Jags. But still, these are the one percentage. These
Speaker 5: are one percentage in.
Speaker 4: The world where we're displaying our best players that we
Speaker 4: had to choose from in a draft, in free agency,
Speaker 4: or however they were acquired.
Speaker 2: They got fifty two.
Speaker 5: Points hung up on them on fifty two.
Speaker 1: You got to force them to turn the ball over.
Speaker 1: If they don't turn it over the likelihood of you
Speaker 1: keeping them out of the ends on. Ben Johnson is
Speaker 1: doing an unbelievable job. Didn't here somewhere? Didn't somebody fire him?
Speaker 2: What was he at?
Speaker 1: Wasn't he at New Orleans? Where was Ben Johnson at?
Speaker 1: Because this age his first job? I don't think it
Speaker 1: is his first OC job.
Speaker 5: Yeah, missus john He went with the Coats. At one
Speaker 5: point on my.
Speaker 1: Tripping, he was at the Saints or was it Carolina?
Speaker 1: He was with the Dolphins. That's his only job, that's
Speaker 1: his only stop. Where was he after that?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, wow? Where was he before? He was at the
Speaker 1: Dolphins and he's been with the Lions ever since. The
Speaker 1: man had five interceptions last week. He had five incompletions
Speaker 1: this week.
Speaker 4: See you see they You know, you know one thing
Speaker 4: my grandma always told me, say God has faith.
Speaker 1: Clearly because remember, oh he had a game where he
Speaker 1: was eight eighteen or eighteen, nineteen or nineteen.
Speaker 4: Damn they're perfect. I think that was so what what
Speaker 4: what is the what is Jerry Goff's stats?
Speaker 2: Now? That's this thing out of batteries. Put him up
Speaker 2: as she's getting Jerry Goff's stats right.
Speaker 1: Now Okay, twenty nine and twenty five hundred yards. Well,
Speaker 1: what do you comes almost in three thousand yards right now?
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Joy, Joe Burrow. I thought Joe crossed three thousand.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying he got it because I think he
Speaker 1: was slightly above Lamar and Lamar and Lamar only had
Speaker 1: like one hundred and something maybe two hundred. But anyway, yeah, Joe, Joe,
Speaker 1: Joey just crossed. Uh he's at three thousand, He's right
Speaker 1: at three thousand, or he's slightly over three thousand, right,