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Speaker 1: Joe with Lamar, airings and rating Winn and Jonas Knox

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Speaker 1: on Radio.

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Speaker 2: Black and Drag Baby, we are back.

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Speaker 3: Like we never left. It's Lamar and I see you. Man,

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, that's what it is. That's Lee for

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Speaker 3: you though, I mean, Lee, what are.

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Speaker 4: You doing sitting here to take it?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: No, there you go, all right, go back.

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Speaker 2: It was better that way.

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Speaker 4: That's just so, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 4: So for those of you always loves, I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: So for those of you, those of you listening wondering

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Speaker 2: why we're laughing. So the zoom camera was set up,

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Speaker 2: but it was facing the wrong chair, so there's just

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Speaker 2: an empty chair. LaVar is trying to figure out, like

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Speaker 2: where are you? And I'm talking and it looked like

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Speaker 2: But the problem is the camera's pointed at the wrong chair.

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Speaker 4: Okay, Lee, you can go back. It's okay to go back. Bro.

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Speaker 2: Joke is over, dab, but it is Lamar Rrington and

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Speaker 2: Jonas Knox here. You can listen to. This show is

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Speaker 2: always on the iHeartRadio app. You can find us on

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Speaker 2: hundreds of affiliates all across the country and wherever you

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Speaker 2: are making us a part of your Wednesday morning, we

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. We are going to take you all the

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Speaker 2: way up until nine am Eastern time six o'clock Pacific.

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Speaker 4: What up sticks, Good morning.

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Speaker 2: It feels like we were just here.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, the thoughts you have once you've lived the

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Speaker 3: good life.

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Speaker 4: I tell you what, boy, I mean. Look, I don't

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Speaker 3: Words to explain to you how I'm feeling right the

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Speaker 4: I just don't have the words for you.

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Speaker 5: Bro.

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Speaker 4: I will Hey, we're back. This is our slot.

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Speaker 2: So we've been filling in various spots throughout the morning lineup.

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Speaker 2: It was Dan Patrick, then it was Colin Cowherd. Then

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Speaker 2: we're back with filling in on the Herd the past

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Speaker 2: couple of days. And I will say this something that

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Speaker 4: I'm going to make it home. Well, yeah, you're going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if anybody's driving drunk on the

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Speaker 4: Oh please, yeah, the main one coming in.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about that, but I do know this.

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Speaker 2: I saw a guy swerving in and out of lanes,

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Speaker 2: There's no possible way that that dude was at home.

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, you gotta work through it. It's almost

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Speaker 4: Back at this. Damn I'm looking at that.

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Speaker 3: Dan and Colin like you mother efforts, Like what a

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Speaker 3: great life you guys have. Boy, I tell you what

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, ten minutes ago was Tuesday. They were doing

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Speaker 3: This is a sport all in itself. You know how

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Speaker 4: You know we're live. That red light means it is live.

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Speaker 3: There is no takebacks and do overs and oh, run

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Speaker 3: For radio, because you're doing it for the masses. So

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Speaker 6: That's two guys that want the other guy to succeed

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Speaker 6: just as much saying it first hand, just them two

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Speaker 2: So that was Dak Prescott talking about the early reviews

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Speaker 2: This is a wonderful story to discuss. You've got two

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Speaker 2: And it's exactly why it's the perfect Cowboy combo because

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Speaker 3: Do you realize they have three tylers starting on their

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Speaker 4: But you added George Pickens and he.

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Speaker 3: Has been labeled a malcontent, He has been labeled a

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Speaker 4: Can take into this season.

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Speaker 3: But looking at the lineup the rundown when talking about,

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Speaker 3: I think it's a very very fair assessment, or I

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Speaker 4: The thought that they could mess it up.

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Speaker 3: So now you're looking at it like, Okay, definitively, yes,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, should be, It should be fun to watch it.

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Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes' trainer took to social media and basically called

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Speaker 7: Vacation photos are popping up with Patrick Mahomes and he's fat.

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Speaker 7: He's an embarrassment. You're a five hundred million dollar quarterback.

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Speaker 7: back with a vengeance. Dude, you're fat. Your belly would

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Speaker 2: Okay, my skin's flabby in yours.

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Speaker 7: I'm sure he's worked out and strengthened his arm, and

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Speaker 7: He's not a kid anymore. You can't just run through

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Speaker 4: It's time, dude, It's time.

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Speaker 2: So that was Kevin Keatsman.

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Speaker 4: Tell us how you really feel about Patrick went home?

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Speaker 3: Is he referencing Is he referencing the vacation picks of

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Speaker 4: Name me five, five greatest.

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Speaker 3: Quarterbacks to ever play this game that had amazing bodies.

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Speaker 4: Where are we going? We want to go next? Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: And this might sound horrible after that man just said

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Speaker 2: Athlete's what he's trying to say. We can't be built.

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Speaker 3: It's well built, it is well bill, and it is

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Speaker 2: I just think this whole idea that you look at.

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Speaker 3: I mean there's like, yeah, I think this is one

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Speaker 4: It's just not football season.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what maybe people need to start, you know,

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Speaker 3: about these preseason storylines before we get there, because people

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Speaker 3: can make their their judgments. They can you know, do

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00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 3: their their prognosticating on what they think somebody's going to do,

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Speaker 3: you know, forecasting what a team or a player is

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Speaker 3: going to do. I mean, fat shaming came Deebo Samuel's

440
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: way probably warranted. He looked a little, a little heavy

441
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Speaker 3: afoot running his routes, like like he was bouncing more

442
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 3: than gliding. But again, all the it.

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Speaker 2: Looked like that, you got like he's varuk assault.

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Speaker 3: Hey bruh, he was bouncing, he was he wasn't glad.

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Speaker 3: And that's all I'm gonna say. I mean, that's just

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Speaker 3: the observation of the film that came out of their camp.

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Speaker 3: But but nonetheless, the bottom line here is is that

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Speaker 3: you still the greatest thing I've always said about about

449
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 3: sports is as much as you can talk about something

450
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Speaker 3: a topic like okay, you want to focus in on

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Speaker 3: on Patrick Mahomes's body and the way it looks, which,

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Speaker 3: by the way, I don't recall ever seeing him without

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Speaker 3: a shirt on to begin with.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, I don't even have a comp.

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00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 3: So maybe this guy has a comp and can say

456
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Speaker 3: what he saw before doesn't look like what he looked

457
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Speaker 3: like you know today, you know on on the boat.

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Speaker 3: But that's Patrick Mahomes, And it would take a whole

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Speaker 3: lot of proving that that him gaining weight, if that

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Speaker 3: is indeed the truth is something that impacts the way

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00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 3: he plays, like I'm going to give just like everybody

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Speaker 3: else is most likely going to give Patrick Mahomes the

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Speaker 3: benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 2: It's not the NBA. He's not running up and down

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Speaker 2: the court like you want. This guy.

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Speaker 3: If he wants to throw that out there, I think

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Speaker 3: that's more of him looking for a storyline that could catch.

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00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 3: We caught onto it and we're we're commenting on it, Jonas.

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00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 3: But in reality, the quarterback position you don't have to

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Speaker 3: look like in Adonis for one and for two.

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Speaker 4: In fact, it's actually what most people would say.

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Speaker 3: It would be a drawback if you're too yoked up

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Speaker 3: because you can't be tight. It's like a boxer. You

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Speaker 3: see a boxer that's yoked up, it's like, oh, it

475
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,919
Speaker 3: looks good, but that's not functioning. That's not a functioning

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Speaker 3: body type. Like some of the best boxers had bad bodies,

477
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Speaker 3: and it was because they're able to to like torque

478
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Speaker 3: their bodies a certain type of way.

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Speaker 4: There's a flexibility there. It's working muscle.

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Speaker 3: Then, so saw a dude badly built whooped the hell

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Speaker 3: out of somebody who you think is yoked up. They

482
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Speaker 3: could lift the gym, but they can't. It's not it's

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Speaker 3: not athletically functionable mot muscles.

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Speaker 2: I think mixed martial arts change the way you view

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Speaker 2: who a real badass is and who a real great

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Speaker 2: athlete is. And I say that because if you go

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Speaker 2: back to the early UFC days, when Hoyst Gracy came around,

488
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Speaker 2: everyone was like, this is this guy. He's fighting all

489
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Speaker 2: the He's fighting all these jacked up, gassed up sham.

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Speaker 3: Rock was joked up, but he could he could get

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Speaker 3: down to course.

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Speaker 2: Of course. But hoys Gracie had a submission game to

493
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Speaker 2: where it was like, man, he didn't have a body

494
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Speaker 2: you looked at like an Adonis, and he was going

495
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Speaker 2: out there strangling guys in that.

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Speaker 3: He didn't show you his body either. He kept his

497
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Speaker 3: gee on him and he ain't play around.

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Speaker 2: And he was doing that when it was tournament styled

499
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Speaker 2: where you had to fight multiple times in a night.

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Speaker 2: If you go to look up the name fad or

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Speaker 2: a million Ako, absolutely one of the greatest heavyweights of

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Speaker 2: all time in the history of mixed martial arts. Never

503
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Speaker 2: fought in the UFC, But look at that guy, look

504
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: at his body and go who is he? Oh, I

505
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: don't know, just a destroyer beat everybody in their prime,

506
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Speaker 2: like didn't have a body that you So this idea

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Speaker 2: that you.

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Speaker 3: Could be the league after him, wasn't the league called

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Speaker 3: fad or No, what was league called?

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Speaker 2: Uh, there's been a bunch, there's been.

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Speaker 4: There was there was one like that, though it sounded

512
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Speaker 4: like that there was.

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Speaker 3: A fade or Belatore, Belatore, Bellatore.

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Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, there was also Elite XC. There was a

515
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: whole bunch of them. But it's just this idea that

516
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Speaker 2: you can look at somebody's appearance and go, oh, I

517
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Speaker 2: know whether or not that guy is going to be

518
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Speaker 2: good dude. You could go to any twenty four hour

519
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 2: fitness anywhere in the country and find somebody who looks

520
00:29:57,680 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 2: the part and then have them hand them a football

521
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Speaker 2: and say, hey, do what Patrick Mahomes does, and they'll

522
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Speaker 2: get laughed off the field like this this idea, it's the.

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Speaker 4: Funniest thing, you know.

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Speaker 3: Where you can see it at the beach, it is

525
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Speaker 3: the funniest. Oh, they be having on their little shorts

526
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: and they're always closest to the water, you know, so

527
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Speaker 3: they can be in front of everybody so people can

528
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Speaker 3: see it. Right, So they be right in front of

529
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Speaker 3: the water. They have their their football and they'll be

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Speaker 3: running around and muscles be popping out everywhere and sun

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Speaker 3: tanned lotion.

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Speaker 4: And sweating all this stuff. Like pause.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just giving y'all a visual cause I'd

534
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Speaker 3: be sitting there like, dang, these dudes is really out

535
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 3: here like thirst trapping these people, right, and then they

536
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Speaker 3: throw the ball and it's like, oh, damn, I ain't

537
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 3: played a day of football in their life. Then you

538
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Speaker 3: see the dude catch the ball. Ain't played down of

539
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Speaker 3: football in their lives. Built like models like Tommy Hill,

540
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Speaker 3: figure models, whatever, but they ain't played no ball, you know.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, point is like there's a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of topics out there that that guy could have focused.

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Speaker 4: Then on, But choosing that hill to.

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Speaker 3: To start a battle, I don't it just I mean,

545
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Speaker 3: for what it's, it's it's almost a laughable conversation to

546
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Speaker 3: be basically saying that Patrick Mahomes isn't in the.

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Speaker 4: Best of shape.

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Speaker 3: It's fat, and you can't be prepared or ready to

549
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Speaker 3: go compete for Super Bowl looking the way that he

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Speaker 3: looks like. That's a that to me, that's an asinine argument.

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Speaker 3: It's an asinine discussion.

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Speaker 2: Listen, there's only one person in the history of this

553
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: show that's allowed to fat shame anybody, and that's me. Well,

554
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Speaker 2: that's principal Joe Clark. Principal Joe Clark is the only

555
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Speaker 2: man who's allowed to fat shame anybody on this show. Well,

556
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 2: he's been given that, he's been given a pass. He's

557
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: been told that he can do whatever the hell he

558
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Speaker 2: wants when it comes to uh bearing anybody that's got

559
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: a little bit of a weight problem, even kids, if

560
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Speaker 2: he's got a kid, if he's got a kid in school,

561
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Speaker 2: and that kid in school, that kid in.

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Speaker 8: School, what's it doing hanging out with you boys?

563
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Speaker 5: You're all senior.

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Speaker 8: Everyone climbed out on a radios off instantaneously, already instantaneously.

565
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Speaker 8: I want all of you to look at this, slovenly,

566
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Speaker 8: sloppy boy.

567
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 4: Here, sloppy boy.

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Speaker 2: That's the only guy who's given a pass when it

569
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Speaker 2: comes to fat shaming, Joe Clark. You are giving the

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Speaker 2: green light whenever you want to fat sham on this show.

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Speaker 2: And it can only be that Still.

572
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Speaker 4: Still is a chubby dude.

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Speaker 3: Though Man Still was chubby and in every movie he

574
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Speaker 3: was in Man, He's a little chubby boy. Man Og

575
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 3: in the in the in the acting game definitely was

576
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Speaker 3: always fun of the way he was built.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of Two Pros and

578
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: a Cup of Joe with Brady Quinn, LeVar Errington, and

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00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: Jonas Knox weekdays at six am Eastern three am Pacific.

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Speaker 2: Right now, we turn it over to the man himself,

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Speaker 2: the one and only Petros papadakas the co host of

582
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Speaker 2: the Petros and Money Show, which you can hear on

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Speaker 2: the Blowtorch AM five seventy l A. Sports Fox college

584
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Speaker 2: football analysts get him on X at the old p Petros.

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Speaker 2: Good morning, how are we feeling?

586
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Speaker 5: Good morning? Sorry about that.

587
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 9: I've been on vacation and uh, obviously a little slow

588
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 9: to get back to the real world, but I'm back

589
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 9: at work today.

590
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Speaker 2: No, You're good.

591
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 4: Don't worry right now.

592
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 2: How was uh? How was vaccause? You're you don't really robbed?

593
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Speaker 2: You don't. You don't really like him?

594
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 5: I stole my wallet out of my car.

595
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 4: Oh, you were literally robbed.

596
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 5: Yes, that was robbed, credit cards and stuff like that.

597
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Speaker 9: Damn well, I've always robbed of my happiness by my family,

598
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 9: but other than that, this time I was really robbed.

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00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: Because I've talked to you before about it, and you

600
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,399
Speaker 2: don't really like traveling, you don't.

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Speaker 5: No, No, I just drove to San Diego though.

602
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 4: It's a big deal. Yeah, well, did they get your

603
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,880
Speaker 4: real ID? Yeah?

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00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 5: Well I don't know.

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00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: No, I mean, even if I have, I'm just cure

606
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 3: you didn't go get your real ID yet.

607
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Speaker 5: I don't know. I went to the DMV a couple

608
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 5: of years back, but probably not.

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Speaker 3: A real ID has like a little beer on it

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Speaker 3: or something like that.

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Speaker 4: For California.

612
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 5: Well, I got to get it canceled either way.

613
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I got robbed you though.

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Speaker 9: But now I'm back. I'm back in the city and

615
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 9: I'm ready to work today.

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Speaker 2: So good and just in time.

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Speaker 4: Dodgers haven't returned, Just.

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Speaker 2: In time for the Dodgers.

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Speaker 5: How many straight is that?

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Speaker 4: Is that?

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Speaker 5: Five straight? They've lost us straight?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, they got swept by Hugh Stone who came in

623
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Speaker 9: and put it on him. And then yesterday they only

624
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,440
Speaker 9: Gordon one run. O Tawny had a home run. But

625
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 9: they lost in Milwaukee, and they lost a game one

626
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 9: in Milwaukee.

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Speaker 5: So today is the getaway day. It's an early game in.

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Speaker 9: Milwaukee, and they stopped hitting, you know, they they sure,

629
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Speaker 9: every once in a while a pitcher goes up there

630
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 9: and gets his boobs ripped off. But for the most part,

631
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 9: it's it's you never heard that term before. No, they

632
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 9: never learned that term. That was a I never knew

633
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 9: that term either, but it was a bait. I lived

634
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 9: with baseball players when I was first at USC because

635
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 9: I was ineligible from a transfer and I was white,

636
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Speaker 9: so I didn't really know anybody on the team.

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Speaker 4: Wait, you're white.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I know, it's crazy that.

639
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Speaker 9: That's what Jim Harbaughs sounded exactly like when I told

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Speaker 9: him Toby Gerhart was white right when he got the

641
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Speaker 9: Stanford job.

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00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: Wait, why Gerhart's white?

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Speaker 5: Yep, that's what he said. Man.

644
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Speaker 4: I was today years old when I knew that. Man,

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Speaker 4: I thought he was light skinned.

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Speaker 5: That's a true story, though, I mean I was.

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00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 9: Well first, let's let's unpack this first many many years ago.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 9: I was the USC analyst on the local, back when

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00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 9: we really used to do local sports cable TV, like

651
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Speaker 9: local programming at night, local programming all the time.

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00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:20,320
Speaker 5: They don't do it anymore.

653
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Speaker 9: But USC was about to play Michigan in a Rose Bowl.

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Speaker 9: Pete Carroll would have been the head coach. So it's

655
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Speaker 9: probably like going into two thousand, going into the two

656
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 9: thousand five season. This is the end of the two

657
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 9: thousand and four season, so I think USC's playing Michigan

658
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 9: in a Rose Bowl. So Jim Harbaugh, who just took

659
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 9: the Stanford job from USD, was hired to be the

660
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 9: Michigan analyst guy, and I was the USC analyst guy.

661
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 9: So I just sat up there with Harbaugh and he

662
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 9: had just gotten the job, like two days before, had

663
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 9: accepted the Stanford job. And I remember sitting in with

664
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 9: him and he's like, well, who's on my team? You know,

665
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 9: because I had called a couple of Stanford games that year.

666
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 9: I think Walt Harris or somebody was to call Buddy

667
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 9: Tevens or some terrible failure.

668
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 5: Uh And uh.

669
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 9: I said, well, you know, you got the kid Delano

670
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 9: Howel from Hart Highs and aggressive kind of safety or whatever.

671
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 9: And Toby Gerhardt, you know, the running back on a Norco,

672
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 9: the white kid.

673
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: He goes, he's white. We don't want them to get

674
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 5: out ended up the Hallway.

675
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 9: Probably should have won the Heisman, you know, over mark

676
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 9: Ingram who had a great year too.

677
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 5: But yeah, that was funny. He is white. But what

678
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 5: was the other one?

679
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 2: By the way, I didn't realize Toby Garrett the other one.

680
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, no, the other one running back would have been

681
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 9: like Christian McCaffrey.

682
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 5: But the booms being ripped off was that was a

683
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 5: baseball thing.

684
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 9: Like I lived with baseball players and you know, they'd

685
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 9: be playing north Ridge on a Tuesday night, you know,

686
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 9: come back seven hours later because the bats are made

687
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 9: of metal, ping pong and in baseball and college baseball,

688
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 9: and I'd say, you know, did you guys win or whatever?

689
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 5: No Etherton got his boobs ripped off? I like, what

690
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 5: what happened? You know? Or he got his tse lit.

691
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 5: You know they used to say that to.

692
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: Other other running back. I'm big tenor so you got

693
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: to throw Mike Alstart in there. I mean, that's just

694
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: for me college wise. I just I got to make

695
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: sure that I throw my boy in there.

696
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 1: But he.

697
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 9: Was a he was a ball carrier, but oftentimes he

698
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 9: lined up at the full back position.

699
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 5: They did you know his agility, Oh he was one. No,

700
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 5: don't get me wrong.

701
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 3: But people didn't realize howe and how Fristy was.

702
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 5: Yes, he had great feet and he had a real quick.

703
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 2: Burst, but the most important attribute was that he's white.

704
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 9: To me, the most important attribute at all start was

705
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 9: the fact that he didn't line up a tailback often.

706
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 9: I mean, if they wanted to give estimated it right right,

707
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,399
Speaker 9: if they wanted to give him the ball like consistently,

708
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 9: then he'd get he'd get in at tailback and then

709
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 9: he do position. But a lot of the time, you know,

710
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 9: he was running the ball from the full back position

711
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 9: or just playing or just playing a traditional fullback and

712
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 9: doing all the other fullback stuff.

713
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 5: He was pretty remarkable. He really was.

714
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, I loved him as a back, but it was

715
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 9: really interesting because a lot of what he did was

716
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,799
Speaker 9: from maybe in a more traditional offense two or three

717
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 9: yards deep at the full back position, you know, right

718
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 9: behind the quarterback. And that's hard. I mean, yeah, you're

719
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 9: right up into the line of scrimmage quickly. But for

720
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 9: a guy with really good feet that can stop and

721
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 9: start like him and move, that's not exactly where you

722
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 9: want to be easy. Yeah, and he was really able

723
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 9: when he ran the ball from closer to the line

724
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 9: of scrimmage. I mean, that's really remarkable because I don't

725
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 9: think there's been I mean, I saw a kid in

726
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 9: college who I've never gotten over, and he's one of

727
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 9: the greatest players I've ever seen, and he's probably like

728
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 9: blowing people up with a computer.

729
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 5: Keyboard.

730
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 9: Now he's an Air Force player, a white kid who

731
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 9: played fullback for them, and I think he had like

732
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:37,240
Speaker 9: at least one two thousand yard season, maybe close.

733
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 5: Brad Roberts was his name.

734
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,959
Speaker 9: He blew me away, like that kid blew me away

735
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 9: because he didn't look like anything. Like he didn't look

736
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 9: like anything, and he was right up in there, you know,

737
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 9: and you'd give him the ball and every one yard

738
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 9: run became a four yard run almost to where you

739
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 9: didn't even notice. And then you'd be like Jesus and

740
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 9: like you'd never even see him break free. But you

741
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 9: look at the stats at the end of the game

742
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 9: and what he was able to do for a season

743
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 9: and how he kept coming, and that was pretty remarkable.

744
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 9: But he was but he was such a forward leaning back,

745
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 9: a stilted back.

746
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: I remember that guy.

747
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was unbelievable.

748
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 9: Look up of stats, but he was like a stilted back,

749
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 9: right like leaning forward, like if no one was there

750
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 9: to tackle him, just like me, it was likely he'd

751
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 9: fall forward.

752
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 5: Anyway. But it's true. But but all start.

753
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 9: That's what was remarkable about him bringing it up is

754
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 9: that a lot of the time when he ran the

755
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 9: ball close to the line of scrimmage, he was able

756
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 9: to stop and start and that's really hard to do.

757
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, you change directions.

758
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, He's and stuff, and people was making business decisions

759
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: when they was like, it was like.

760
00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 4: Oh there he is.

761
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 10: Like he'd appear, like you said, he get the ball

762
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 10: so quick, he'd appear you'd be like by the time

763
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 10: you realized that you had to knuckle up for him,

764
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 10: he's already pasted you.

765
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 4: But anyways, I'm a big mike all stop.

766
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 2: He was great.

767
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: Hell Us was good too.

768
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 3: He wore the same he wore the same face mask.

769
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: I did the bulldog muzzle. You know, we haven't brought

770
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: that into existence, you.

771
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 4: Know what I mean. Send me a bulldog muzzle, send me.

772
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 5: A photo of it. I'll buy one. Uh my uh.

773
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,319
Speaker 9: I did an Arkansas game once where their backfield was

774
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 9: Houston Nutt was the coach. Their backfield was Peyton Hillis

775
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 9: who returned punts. Uh Felix Jones and and uh McFadden.

776
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 9: Yeah that's crazy, like and they lost by seventy points

777
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 9: to USC. I'll never forget we did that. Uh we

778
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 9: had we had Arkansas And it was like the very

779
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 9: first game or the second game of the year where

780
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 9: they were really special the beginning of the two thousand

781
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 9: and five season where every the world was about Matt

782
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,479
Speaker 9: Leiner and Reggie Bush and Lindale and Dwayne Jarrett and.

783
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:19,959
Speaker 5: These teams were filled with superstars.

784
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 9: This is the year they ended up losing that game

785
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 9: to Texas and the Rose Bowl, but the very first

786
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 9: game of the year, they're playing Arkansas. Okay, you know,

787
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 9: I don't know a lot of SEC teams. I mean

788
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 9: this is and this is before the SEC. I mean

789
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 9: it's around that time when the SEC was starting to

790
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 9: build their strength. USC was dominating college football. Oklahoma was

791
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 9: really good. And I remember being in the meeting with

792
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 9: Houston Nutt and I forget the name of their their decordinator.

793
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 9: His first name was Reggie and he was like a

794
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,840
Speaker 9: big old southern white guy too, and they were just

795
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,919
Speaker 9: preaching like this USC they're another They're like a They're

796
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 9: like a medio grid cee CE team.

797
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 5: We're gonna be five.

798
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 9: I'll tell you what thing you won't see you won't

799
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 9: see guys just running free out there. And I was like,

800
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,839
Speaker 9: I was sitting in the meeting, and I want you know,

801
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 9: I'm not a Homer broadcaster, and if anything, I'm worse

802
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 9: than that and or the other way.

803
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 5: And I was like, yeah, this sounds about right.

804
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 9: You know, these guys are gonna come and slap USC

805
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 9: in the hand, show Pete Carroll teach them a little something, right,

806
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 9: Just in the back of my mind, I said, this

807
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 9: guy might know what he's talking about.

808
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 5: The game was literally seventy to seven.

809
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 9: Like the fact that they said no one was gonna

810
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 9: be running free was like the prophecy that everybody was

811
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 9: going to be running free. Like I don't know whether

812
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 9: everybody was running free. They scored seventy points, I believe,

813
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 9: crazy man. And I never go down on the field

814
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 9: after a game unless I have to do an interview

815
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 9: or something. I went down on the field just to

816
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 9: see if I could catch eye contact with the decordinator, Like, hey,

817
00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 9: remember when you said just because it was so it

818
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 9: was such a contrast to what would happen. But it

819
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 9: was amazing that they had that backfield and they couldn't

820
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 9: even generate first down.

821
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: I remember going to a USC Washington game when Tyrone

822
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 2: Willingham was the coach at Washington and it was at

823
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: the coliseum and betting on Washington because they were getting

824
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 2: thirty four points and USC still covered. It just wasn't close,

825
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 2: like there was no there was nobody close to them.

826
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,359
Speaker 9: Well, they used to blow people's doors off late right

827
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 9: like they would they would find a way to do

828
00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 9: whatever in the game, and then in the fourth quarter

829
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,759
Speaker 9: their run game just became so dominant when Lyndale White

830
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 9: running the zone. But those Ty Willingham Washington teams are

831
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 9: interesting because one year at Fox they went ohwen, they

832
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 9: went ohen twelve right, they lost every game, and then

833
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 9: hired Steve Sarkisian.

834
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 5: After that they.

835
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 9: Were rating so well, like we had a couple of

836
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 9: games early and they were really highly rated because even

837
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,720
Speaker 9: though they were so bad, the whole city of Seattle

838
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 9: wanted him fired so bad and became like watching a

839
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 9: car accident. They they sent us up there for six

840
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 9: of those guy called six of the games in his

841
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 9: er to twelve season or something, and it was just

842
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 9: can you imagine what it was like doing that meeting

843
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 9: again in November, Like they fired him, like on Halloween

844
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 9: and let him play out the street and he just

845
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 9: was gonna, you know, because you don't like just fire

846
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 9: ty Wellingham in the middle of the season. He was

847
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 9: two nights of a guy or too honorable of a

848
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,279
Speaker 9: character or whatever. So we would literally sit in the

849
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 9: meetings like, yeah, what do you think?

850
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think we're gonna.

851
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 9: Win, okay, Well is that when we wos to say

852
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 9: that in the open or what should we do?

853
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:54,360
Speaker 5: Like? That was the most That was a real march

854
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 5: to to uh to futility. That was tough.

855
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 9: I was I usually never care where they sent me

856
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 9: to do it. Back then, I just go wherever and

857
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 9: I never worried about what game we were going to

858
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 9: have or who was in.

859
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 5: It, or whether it was a good game or not.

860
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 5: But that year kind of broke me.

861
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 9: I seeing Washington as bad as they were year in

862
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 9: and year out was very, very difficult.

863
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's rough.

864
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 2: Well listen, petrosh there it is.

865
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, yeah, the loop, I remember that the face man.

866
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 3: Long lived Toby and Mike who you know, LeVar Arrington

867
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 3: is Toby by the way, you know what I mean.

868
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: I got my name from Toby, but he was Koonta

869
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 3: Kinte first, but then they they forced him to be Toby.

870
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 3: You know, so I have a connection to Toby Gearhart

871
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 3: in a different type of way.

872
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 5: That's fair.

873
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, Petros movie Roots by Alex Hey, Yes, yeah, always

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. And we were.

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Speaker 5: Everybody was in the Roots.

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Speaker 4: Everybody. I mean, that's OJ. It wasn't just.

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Speaker 5: It wasn't just.

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Speaker 9: Burton went to us koona kitty himself is a USC guy.

879
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Speaker 4: Is I didn't know that LeVar Burton.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, he spoke to us at uh, he spoke

881
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Speaker 9: to us a few times when I was at SC.

882
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Speaker 5: I didn't know.

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Speaker 9: It wasn't very inspiring to hear from the guy from

884
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Speaker 9: the Reading Rainbow.

885
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Speaker 4: But that's crazy.

886
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Speaker 5: But Richard Roundtree Shaft, who was born today, he was

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Speaker 5: in Roots.

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Speaker 4: Oh happy birthday. He's dead but yeah, yeah, yeah, happy birthday.

889
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Speaker 5: Just died two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Dang the nolensense. Yeah, we'll do it again next time.

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Speaker 5: Sorry.

892
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Speaker 2: I was like, no, you're going.

893
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Speaker 5: To horn in on Lee's cool segments.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, there is why he's rushing us up out

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Speaker 4: of here, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Get him on X at the Old g Yeah,