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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: This is the Bobby Cast.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Top ten Bobby Cast of twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five. This is part two, so we'll go five, four, three,

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Speaker 3: two and one. Go back and hear the others if

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Speaker 3: you missed them. We'll kick it off now at number five.

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Speaker 3: It's Keith Urban from episode five sixteen. This is Keith

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Speaker 3: We were at his studio that he owns. It's a

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Speaker 3: really cool recording studio. We talked about his origin story

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Speaker 3: and going back and forth from Australia to Nashville early on,

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Speaker 3: and I can tell you I've done it.

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Speaker 2: That's a heck of a flight. That is so long.

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Speaker 2: Here he is at number five, Keith Urban.

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Speaker 3: When you're finally Keith Urban, what was the first piece

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Speaker 3: of material or song that you put out that actually

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Speaker 3: gains real traction or that sells tickets or got you

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Speaker 3: on a tour, like give us something out that somebody

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Speaker 3: noticed you enough that it changed your life. What song

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Speaker 3: was that?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean technically, the first one was a song

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Speaker 4: called It's a Love Thing, which was the first single

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Speaker 4: off the solo album that I did. That did okay,

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Speaker 4: and then we put out a song call where the

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Speaker 4: Blacktop Ends, and that did better. Sorry You're Everything. It

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Speaker 4: was a ballad called You're Everything that did better. And

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Speaker 4: then the third song was but for the Grace of God,

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Speaker 4: which became my first number one song. So it was

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Speaker 4: this very slow incremental movement. I'm like, Okay, we finally

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Speaker 4: get traction. And then we did Blacktop after that, and

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Speaker 4: then I got to make another record, which became Golden Road,

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Speaker 4: and first single off that was Somebody Like You.

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Speaker 3: Was that song transcendent in how it landed as opposed

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Speaker 3: to your past stuff?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm a live guy. I play live.

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Speaker 3: That's what I do.

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Speaker 4: The early years in Nash it was so hard for

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Speaker 4: me because there was I wasn't playing, I wasn't playing anywhere.

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Speaker 4: I found out very quick that if you play down

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Speaker 4: you're just one of those You're just a cover band,

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Speaker 4: You're not original artist, you know. So I'm like, ah,

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Speaker 4: so I can't even play anywhere. So after the first

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Speaker 4: solo record, I got to put a band together and

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Speaker 4: so at home, and I think by the time we

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Speaker 4: made Golden Road, I was feeling that sense of who

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Speaker 4: I am musically, you know, it had I like to

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Speaker 4: say that record had more stubble than the first one.

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Speaker 4: It was a bit looser, and it was more raw,

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Speaker 4: and it was I took more. I had more confidence

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Speaker 4: in the studio of making the music that I wanted

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Speaker 4: to make, not what was on the radio or anything

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Speaker 4: like that, and it turned out to be the music

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Speaker 4: that was the right music.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever have concerned of being pigeonholed as just.

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Speaker 2: A guitar guy.

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Speaker 4: No, I never had that, because I mean, I'm I

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Speaker 4: always see myself as a jewet. I mean my guitar

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Speaker 4: am I singing. They go together the same way with

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Speaker 4: Glenn Campbell or something like that. It's just or Vin

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Speaker 4: Skiel or anybody. It's for me, the the two go together,

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Speaker 4: but even more than those guys, cause they have these

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Speaker 3: I pay a lot of attention to your tone and

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Speaker 3: not your voice tone, like your guitar tone, and even

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Speaker 3: the slightest change changes the sound of a song. How

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Speaker 4: It depends, you know. Sometimes it's every song's different, Every

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Speaker 4: song is different. I'm only seeking inspiration, that's all. That's

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Speaker 4: all I'm waiting for. I'm just waiting for a sound

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Speaker 4: And that could be through a cheap amp and you

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Speaker 4: could have dialed it up immediately and you go, that

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Speaker 4: sounds good. Let's go play solo and you get good.

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Speaker 4: That was great, moving on and then the next song

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Speaker 5: So they're all different.

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Speaker 3: What song that became a massive hit took the longest

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Speaker 4: Weirdly enough, making Memories of Us took a long time

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Speaker 4: spent a long time stripping it down, stripping it down,

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Speaker 3: Is there a moment where you go this is it?

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Speaker 3: Or is there never a moment where you go.

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Speaker 2: This is it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've heard the songs on the radio where

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Speaker 4: I hear somebody like you now, I still am really

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Speaker 4: happy with that. Daves go by things like that, and

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Speaker 4: then I'll hear the other things like, oh, I wish

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Speaker 5: We had of whatever.

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Speaker 4: But more than anything, I'm happy with it. You's got

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Speaker 4: to get away from it for a while. I have

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Speaker 4: some perspective.

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Speaker 3: You're still so creatively driven today as I guess the

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Speaker 3: first time I met you ten years ago, Like I

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Speaker 3: still feel like you're creatively chasing whatever.

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Speaker 2: It is it inspires you.

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Speaker 3: Do you still feel as creatively driven now as you

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Speaker 3: did ten twenty years ago.

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Speaker 4: Exactly's thing as when I lived over there at Showny's,

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Speaker 4: I feel pretty much the same. I've got a better

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Speaker 4: things that I hear in my head, you know, from

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Speaker 4: years of doing it. But the adrenaline rush in the

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Speaker 4: is the single we have at now, when that comes

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Speaker 3: The opposite of the question asked a minute ago, what

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Speaker 4: Somebody like you was a bit like that because it

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Speaker 4: was a great band. It's the very first song I'd

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Speaker 4: I'm in the booth over there with banjo and a

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Speaker 4: I've got a recording somewhere. I used to set up

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Speaker 4: just capture a take, you know, And I have the

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Speaker 3: It's just it's crazy. There are stories about ACDC and

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Speaker 3: Angus and he would play so hard for so long,

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Speaker 3: version of that that I tell people is you watching

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Speaker 3: you perform because you go so hard and you're so

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Speaker 4: I just, I mean I think we're the same. Were

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Speaker 4: to do. And I live to play, I really do.

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Speaker 3: Is that's still your favorite part of all of it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean I love being in the studio,

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Speaker 3: So recently you did a project and you recorded, and

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Speaker 1: Never happened before.

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Speaker 4: So I've always made records that way. So the spirit

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Speaker 4: It's fine. I'm passionate about it. It's what I want

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Speaker 5: So I scrapped it.

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Speaker 4: And the first song we wrote was straight Line, which

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Speaker 4: bursts with all that rhythmic spirit and liberation. Because I

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, that's to your point earlier about writing songs.

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Speaker 4: You know, you learn what you don't want to do,

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Speaker 4: and I learned why I don't make records that way.

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Speaker 4: It's just much more fun for me to be spontaneous.

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Speaker 3: In that process. And we'll call it the linear part

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Speaker 3: of this journey. Did you ever feel like, oh, this

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Speaker 3: you're like, man, this didn't capture really what I want

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Speaker 4: When I was sequencing it, and I get it, you know, sequencing,

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Speaker 2: The big ones entertainer.

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Speaker 4: Mean that's you know, it's it's off of the mountain

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Speaker 4: I'm not a shoe gazer. I love to entertain.

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Speaker 3: I'm a shoe gazer little bit in a different way.

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Speaker 3: Look, and we'll end on a very music based story.

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Speaker 3: It was a monster. But I thought, I'm about to

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Speaker 3: Final question, because I know how much you value the

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Speaker 4: I've learned that it's a delicate balance of don't take

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Speaker 7: Hey, Tate, the Bobby Cast will be right back. Wow,

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Speaker 3: At number four. It's Luke Bryan from episode four ninety nine.

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Speaker 3: Luke does it all from being a dad, husband, massive performer,

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Speaker 8: What's been fun through the years is every night before

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Speaker 8: you know, but back when I was thirty five, you know,

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Speaker 2: Do you use a click?

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Speaker 8: There is a click in my ears?

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Speaker 2: You sing to click?

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Speaker 8: No? But what I can I listen. I'll tell you

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Speaker 8: Like like when we start drinking beer, I'm not on

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Speaker 8: We you know year after year we I prefer the click.

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Speaker 8: I've just now it's gotten to be a I prefer it.

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Speaker 8: If you don't have it as a weird no, I'm

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Speaker 8: I'm like I said, my ability like this foot.

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Speaker 8: room noise, to make the mix in my ears feel uh,

441
00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,680
Speaker 8: not isolated like right now you and I are isolated.

442
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 8: I want to feel all of the sounds, and I

443
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:57,399
Speaker 8: want to I wanted to feel vibrant and and and

444
00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:58,360
Speaker 8: all that what.

445
00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,280
Speaker 3: About because there's a bit of delay on those, right

446
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 3: when the crowd cheering into the mic, into the board,

447
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,119
Speaker 3: into your ears, even if it's split. Like when we

448
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,719
Speaker 3: would play click stuff briefly, when we did full band

449
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 3: stuff at festivals, I would be like, God, ain't this delayed?

450
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,040
Speaker 2: The hay Oh there they are, there they are. But

451
00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,240
Speaker 2: you're probably so used to that, right you know.

452
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 8: Yes, so all my stadiums. You know, you could never

453
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 8: sound check a stadium properly. It's different with people and

454
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 8: it doesn't work. And you know you could go set

455
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 8: your levels, but the levels throw them out the window. Well, well,

456
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 8: so we sound checked for stadiums. I never really geeked

457
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:46,560
Speaker 8: out on it because I knew everything would change. Well,

458
00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 8: then I would come up in the middle of the

459
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 8: football field. Well, the only way I could get on

460
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,360
Speaker 8: time was to watch my drummers. I mean I would

461
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,880
Speaker 8: watch my I'd make a visual click yeah, oh that's

462
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 8: the only way.

463
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Speaker 2: Wow. We would start with ru.

464
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 8: Stone like I got that real good, and I'd have

465
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 8: to watch I'm fifty yards from him watching this is

466
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 8: he being over He's being overly dramatic. And once once

467
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 8: we got through most of like that's my kind of night.

468
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,360
Speaker 8: Then my my ear mixed guy. He had the clicks

469
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 8: and all the snare hitting hard enough to override everything

470
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Speaker 8: I have.

471
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,159
Speaker 3: Like two other things I want to talk about, and

472
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 3: we talked about before you came in.

473
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Speaker 2: We talked about idol and idol starts.

474
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Speaker 8: Actually these go I don't know if I've been here,

475
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:41,119
Speaker 8: ye about an hour? Yeah, I'm good on time. Now

476
00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 8: we don't I mean, if we're snowed in, you know,

477
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 8: it's like.

478
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Speaker 3: I never want to keep running you. But if you

479
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,800
Speaker 3: want to talk idle for a second.

480
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Speaker 7: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. Wow,

481
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Speaker 7: and we're back on the Bobby Cast.

482
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Speaker 2: Are you seven? Is this your seventh.

483
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 8: Eighth We're in the eighth year. God dang, Yeah, that's crazy.

484
00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: Okay.

485
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 3: I want this story about the first time it was

486
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: even an option or a conversation.

487
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: That you might be on American Idol, Like the first

488
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: call you get, who is it?

489
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 9: Like?

490
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 6: What?

491
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 4: Like?

492
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:26,159
Speaker 2: I want to know about that.

493
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 8: So I'm at my beach house and well, my manager, Carrie,

494
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 8: she calls me and says, we've been contacted about the

495
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,719
Speaker 8: reboot of American Idol. And I had already we had

496
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,679
Speaker 8: already seen some headlines at Katie Perry. You know, they

497
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 8: signed Katie and then they launched a big you know,

498
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 8: you knew the show was coming back, and so they

499
00:24:54,240 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 8: reached out to my manager. And I must say I

500
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 8: was seventy percent against it to start, because I really,

501
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 8: I mean, at that moment, I was at the height

502
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:24,480
Speaker 8: of stadiums and and didn't want to get didn't want

503
00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 8: to get what what's the word I'm looking for? Just

504
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 8: I didn't want to get my mental focus going down

505
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 8: like life was so good, just being you.

506
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 2: Don't wanna let your focus on what you would killing.

507
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 8: Right, And but I was at the beach house and

508
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 8: this is the truth, and I was like, man, I

509
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 8: cannot go to like La or New York, and I'm

510
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 8: not gonna go up there and do this meeting that

511
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 8: I don't want to do. Carrie calls me and she goes, hey,

512
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 8: they want to come. They would have come to thirty

513
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:10,160
Speaker 8: A and they want to They'll fly to us.

514
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 2: So they were gonna go pitch you basically right down

515
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: in Florida.

516
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 8: So I said, all right, well I'm you know, and

517
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 8: back then, you know, anyway, Carrie goes all right, they'll

518
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,640
Speaker 8: be here on Wednesday night, just right over to Alice

519
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,000
Speaker 8: Beach and I drove over and help Carrie rode a

520
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 8: bicycle there and we sat down and we meet with

521
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 8: two of the you know, two of the people you

522
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 8: know at ABC person and a Fremantle person. I'll leave

523
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 8: their names out, but they know I love them, and

524
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 8: they they started pitching it, and I told them I'm

525
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:56,640
Speaker 8: really probably not interested. I'm really And what's funny about

526
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 8: those the people that like, they have no idea, Luke Bryan.

527
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 8: They don't know that I'm like doing sold out stadiums

528
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 8: and double amphitheaters, and that I'm making enough money touring

529
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 8: that I don't need Like at the time, like if

530
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 8: I don't, I didn't need to give up money here

531
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 8: to go spend more time doing this. I just needed

532
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 8: to go throw shows up and go rocket. But and

533
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 8: maybe this is too much information, but either way, I

534
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 8: went back and I and I called I started calling

535
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 8: Blake and Keith Urban and I called Blake and we

536
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 8: had a great talk and and Blake went through. He

537
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,199
Speaker 8: was like Luke, he was like, there the TV opens

538
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 8: up another domain and dynamic And I called Keith Urban

539
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 8: and Keith Urban said, man, he had loved it, and.

540
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Speaker 2: After I when he did.

541
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 8: Idle and so once I got I mean, those are

542
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,120
Speaker 8: two guys that I love and trust, and and then

543
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 8: I then I then I said, you know, I mean

544
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 8: we kind of threw them out of crazy number and

545
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 8: damn it, they paid it here.

546
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 3: That people knew how much money you made front of contract,

547
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 3: because athletes they have that.

548
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 8: But you know, I think it's a little weird that

549
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 8: that info gets leaked out. I don't understand why. I

550
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 8: don't understand how that info leaks.

551
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 3: Oh I think you said you don't know why people

552
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 3: are like I'm interested, But yeah, I know, I get it,

553
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: like somebody, right, somebody knows.

554
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 8: Somebody is leaking that info because I know it ain't

555
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 8: I know it ain't anybody on our side, but but

556
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 8: somebody leaks it. And I don't know. I mean, you know,

557
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 8: I think here's the deal. I think the generation that

558
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 8: we grew up in, our parents, like nobody talked about

559
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 8: their finiences. And I think this day and age, everybody's

560
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 8: especially in the public eye, you know, from athletes to entertainers.

561
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 8: And I mean when you google net Worth and Forbes

562
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 8: and what you know, I mean I think and now

563
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 8: it's almost like a little bit of a braggadocious I

564
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 8: think you kind of need to People need to know

565
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 8: how They need to know a little bit of how

566
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 8: successful you are as a little bit of a like

567
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 8: this is how good his you know, there's a there's

568
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 8: a little healthy dose of that. But I've never been

569
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 8: a fan of it.

570
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: I feel the need a bit, and I was again

571
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: I was with having the conversation yesterday that I was

572
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 3: talking about with Tracy Lawrence. I feel the need now,

573
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: if because he was just asking me my story and

574
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: we eventually took it on a microphone. I feel the

575
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 3: need now to talk about my success so it doesn't

576
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 3: feel like I'm pandering with all of my upbringing because

577
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 3: I grew up very poor. Food stamp kid trailer, right,

578
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: you know, Mom and died, Dad left all of that.

579
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 3: And by the end of it, I was like, I

580
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 3: don't want to come off as disingenuous.

581
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,320
Speaker 2: I'm rich now, right.

582
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: And I used to feel like that would set people

583
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 3: in a like a wrong like not feel good, But

584
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: I feel now it's the most honest thing I can

585
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: do because I don't want people to think I'm a

586
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 3: dishonest by not saying that or that I'm feeding them

587
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: alive that I'm just like, oh, it's tough. You know,

588
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 3: I have the understanding of my whole life not being

589
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: like I'm as new money as it can possibly.

590
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: Be me too. Yeah, but I think you're right.

591
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: I think for me to be totally honest, I have

592
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 3: to somewhat share that that's my story. But if I'm

593
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: being totally honest, now I've had success and it's not

594
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 3: like that anymore, you know.

595
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Speaker 8: And I think what's interesting. I don't think you want

596
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 8: to get around a group of people that are not successful.

597
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 8: If I'm talking about money, I won't pe people to understand,

598
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 8: Like if somebody's asking me money advice, like they're like,

599
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 8: I want them to be able to freely talk about

600
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 8: money with me because they know there's no that there's

601
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 8: they know there's no weird psychological stuff going on. It's

602
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 8: like like if I know, like I mean, there's some

603
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 8: people in my world that I can tell they're about

604
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 8: to get successful, And I'm like, hey, just so you know,

605
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 8: don't don't do this until you run a few things

606
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 8: by me. And and I love the ability to do that,

607
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 8: and I think, and then I love to get around

608
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 8: people that are in the same income bracket, and we

609
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 8: can talk the income bracket freely, and we can laugh

610
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 8: about the old days and how we didn't have these problems,

611
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 8: and we can laugh about you know this and that.

612
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,239
Speaker 8: So I think there's a healthy dose of people I

613
00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 8: never will forget, like I never will forget. I was

614
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 8: doing some land clearing and this old guy was on

615
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 8: a big old excavator on my property, and I pulled

616
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 8: up just to see what they were doing, and I

617
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 8: get out and he shuts some machine off and he

618
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 8: just runs down and he shakes my hand. He goes, man,

619
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 8: I've never shaken a millionaire's hand, and I just I

620
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 8: was like, you don't have to think of me like that.

621
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: Right, because you don't think of you like that.

622
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 8: No, I said, you just think of me, good old boy,

623
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 8: that I'm happier out here. He goes, well, I just

624
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 8: never shaken a millionaire's hand, and I knew I was

625
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 8: working for you, and I knew I wanted to shake.

626
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 8: So stuff like that is really endearing and cool.

627
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: I also think it's important, though, with your story and

628
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 3: mine to go. It's not like either one of us

629
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 3: had an uncle that got us in or we don't

630
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 3: come from money, and.

631
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 2: Then I had no in.

632
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 3: It's like, if you or me can decide to do this,

633
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: commit ourselves to it, take some risks, strategize, fail, fail, fail,

634
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 3: get back up, if we can do it. The reason

635
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: I like to share it one, I think people just

636
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 3: want authenticity more than they want to be one hundred

637
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 3: percent relatable, because you're very relatable, but there's parts of

638
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: you that aren't because of your success. But I think

639
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 3: with me, it's important to go if I can do it,

640
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 3: really anybody can do it, that it's not unattainable.

641
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 8: Right, And I think us talking about it props up

642
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 8: the American dream.

643
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: Fully agree, even more fully agree.

644
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 8: I think that, And I think the American dream is

645
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 8: on one hundred different levels, but even the hope of

646
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 8: it is really really special.

647
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 3: I mean Leisburg, Georgia, Mountain Pine, Arkansas. If you can

648
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 3: come from there, you can come from literally.

649
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 8: I think you can come from anywhere. And I think that,

650
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 8: I tell you, I mean I went to school with

651
00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 8: kids listen that even were one hundred percent worse than me,

652
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 8: and knowing that some of those boys that I grew

653
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 8: up with went to become two of them are doctors.

654
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 8: And that's just a one girl. One girl she was

655
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 8: our valedictorian and her mother drove she drove a tractor

656
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 8: for the dairy and she became valedictorian and it was

657
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 8: so and so those are those were the success stories

658
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 8: far beyond me out of my little group of Leesburg, Georgia.

659
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Speaker 3: But I also think the American dream he brought up,

660
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Speaker 3: I don't. I think it's not even about money. It's

661
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: about fulfillment, right, I think if you can do something

662
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Speaker 3: and be fulfilled by it.

663
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Speaker 8: Yeah, if you grow up in a trailer park and

664
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Speaker 8: you become a pharmacist, yes, that's the American dream.

665
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: And you're fulfilled by it, like if I can now.

666
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 8: Or if you go you get out and you go

667
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 8: play college football, you blow your knee out, but then

668
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 8: you go coach three state championships just because you of

669
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Speaker 8: d one scholarship, because.

670
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,240
Speaker 3: You love doing it and you're able to pay the bills.

671
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 3: That's why we wanted to do that. We just wanted

672
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 3: to pay the bills doing something we loved.

673
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Speaker 8: Well. And listen, I joke, I had this conversation with

674
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 8: a very famous athlete two days ago. There's only so

675
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 8: much I can do as a country music singer. I

676
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 8: did not go to Stanford and write an app that

677
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 8: will ever make me worth ten billion dollars Like that

678
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 8: wasn't my path. My job is to be as happy

679
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 8: as I can be having done as well as I

680
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,319
Speaker 8: can do as a country music singer. Now, the guy

681
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 8: that wrote the app that sold it to Microsoft and

682
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 8: got ten billion dollars, I hope his job is to

683
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 8: have as much fun, and I hope the football coach

684
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 8: is having the same amount of fun. So it's just

685
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 8: funny how it's just about where you're at mentally through

686
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 8: the whole process, and man, you know, it's just been

687
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 8: a damn blast for me.

688
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 3: At number three is Eric Church from episode five to ten.

689
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 3: Eric is a legend, doesn't do a lot of long

690
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: form stuff, so we're super pumped that he came over

691
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 3: to the house to do this, and we do talk

692
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,920
Speaker 3: about him getting a call from Michael Jordan, and we

693
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 3: also talked about how a school shooting in Nashville impacted

694
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Speaker 3: him as a person and a dad.

695
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Speaker 2: Our number three is Eric Church. Do you have Carolina

696
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 2: Blue one on purpose underneath?

697
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 5: Is it?

698
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 2: Uh?

699
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah?

700
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 3: I mean most every well, I don't. Oh, I do too,

701
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,839
Speaker 3: but not on purp. Yeah, this wasn't in your honor.

702
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 3: I appreciate That's funny because I was talking because most

703
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 3: everything I have has a hog on it or a

704
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: razorback on it. Yeah, like red or phone or a

705
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 3: lot of my clothes. Do you have North Carolina stuff everywhere?

706
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 3: And like you're and now and now, which is weirder.

707
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 10: But we're involved with the Hornets too, So I have

708
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 10: purple and teal, so it's Carolina blue and purple into

709
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 10: what do.

710
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 2: You mean involved with the Hornets here part of the ownership.

711
00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, dang, I.

712
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 3: Bought a pick a ball team. I don't have NBA

713
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 3: team though ball teams are cool too. But what's up

714
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 3: with that? What's Lamella gonna do?

715
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 5: We'll see, well, we will see. It's a there's a

716
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 5: there's a there's a really important draft coming. Okay.

717
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 10: Now, I got to be friends with MJ a few

718
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 10: years back and when he sold the team, and it

719
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 10: was one of the weirder calls you ever get in

720
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 10: your life. But MJ goes, hey, I want you to

721
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 10: be involved with the Hornets ownership group. I said, what

722
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 10: does that mean? He said, I want North Carolina presence.

723
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 10: I want people that are local. The group that's buying

724
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,479
Speaker 10: it's out of New York private equity, And he said,

725
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 10: I want you to I want you to do it.

726
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 10: He said, I'll help you if you need help, but

727
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 10: he said, I want you to be involved. So you

728
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 10: don't say no to Michael Jordan's.

729
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 2: So that's super cool in a couple of ways.

730
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:48,320
Speaker 3: One because it is Michael Jordan, the greatest athlete or

731
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: pop culture sports figure in our lifetime. I think, right,

732
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: it's like Babe Bruce Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods two that

733
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 3: Michael Jordan played for North Carolina. And for you, that's

734
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 3: such a personal thing and that now, yeah, that you

735
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: talk to on the phone, that I'd have been like

736
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 3: put on speaker phone recording. Yeah, So what do you

737
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: do is like part owner?

738
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Speaker 10: Well, the great thing about the Hornets is the majority owners.

739
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 10: So you have majority of minority, but the majority guys

740
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 10: are you can get different different groups in the NBA,

741
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 10: but sometimes you get a majority that you know owns

742
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 10: the ninety five percent of the team and you're just involved.

743
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 10: But our group's really good about keeping us involved and

744
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 10: all the decisions we're making. So you know, a lot

745
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 10: of it rives around draft picks. A lot of we

746
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 10: renovated the arena there in Charlotte. We've did a big renovation.

747
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 10: So you kind of have a three to five year plan.

748
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 10: And Charlotte needs it because the Panthers aren't awesome and

749
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 10: the city needs it. So we're on a three to

750
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 10: five year plan. Really through draft picks. That's that's the

751
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 10: best way to build a team. And luckily or unluckily,

752
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 10: the past couple of years, we've got some draft picks.

753
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 10: So that's the game we play right.

754
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 2: Now, Dan, I wasn't expecting that. That's awesome.

755
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 3: I put a bunch of money into the Nashville baseball team,

756
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: so if we get a baseball team.

757
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 5: Here, nash will be a great city for that.

758
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's go. Then I'll call you. I'll be like,

759
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: what's up, owner, Owner?

760
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right.

761
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: When did you get your first guitar?

762
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 5: Thirteen?

763
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 2: Why'd you get it?

764
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 10: I was writing songs, poetry kind of song things, and

765
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 10: I was having to sing the melodies in my head

766
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 10: and got a Christmas gift and then it took me

767
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 10: a little bit to learn to play it. But you know,

768
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 10: that was just an avenue for me to get the

769
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 10: songs out.

770
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: Did you take to it immediately?

771
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 5: Yeah?

772
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: Were you good at it quickly?

773
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 5: Yeah?

774
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 3: Do you have a brain that allows you to not

775
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 3: just write lyrics? But how do you compute music?

776
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 10: Like?

777
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 3: How were you able to do key? I mean, like,

778
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: how did you learn music?

779
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 5: That's a great question.

780
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 10: I I don't know. It was the fastest thing that

781
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 10: I was able just to kind of get and then

782
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 10: you learn a lot of that too, and you know,

783
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 10: earning your salt where I got in a band pretty quick.

784
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 5: I mean I was in a band that.

785
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 10: Maybe seventeen I was I was what and eighteen years old,

786
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 10: and I started just playing in bands and uh, some

787
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 10: shady places, and I did the chicken wire thing.

788
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 5: I've been at that show.

789
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 10: I've had a band member leave the stage during a

790
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 10: song and go fight a guy in the parking lot

791
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 10: and make it back before the end of the song.

792
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 5: And that guy was my brother.

793
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 10: So we've done that during Now you know, when you

794
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 10: make it back for the end of the song, that's

795
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 10: doing quick work, you know. But it was a skinnered song,

796
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 10: so it was a little long. But I've done all

797
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 10: those I've done all those things. And you learn a

798
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 10: lot from those situations. I always talk about in the

799
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 10: world we live in now, and you know this, in

800
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,719
Speaker 10: the world we live in, it's easier to get discovered

801
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 10: and to earn a following, but it's harder to earn

802
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 10: that as a musician where you can and I'll give

803
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 10: you example, and I won't name a name, but there

804
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 10: was an act recently that I like a lot, and

805
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 10: we were gonna we're talking about our next tour, and

806
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 10: it's a person who has a presence social media whatever,

807
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 10: and I said, hey, you know, we'd love to have you.

808
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 10: They don't have a band yet, they've not toured yet,

809
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 10: that's all just on what they do on their channel.

810
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 10: They've not played yet, and it's like, you know, you've

811
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 10: not you've not taken anything on the road.

812
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 5: You don't, right, And that's.

813
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 10: A problem because you learn so much from being in

814
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 10: those situations and what I found in my career, You're

815
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 10: gonna get in big moments, and if you don't feel

816
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 10: like you deserve the big moment.

817
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 5: You might not meet the moment.

818
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 10: And those early days allow you to know when you

819
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,320
Speaker 10: get to that moment, you've put in the work to

820
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 10: earned that.

821
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 2: I want to talk about being an advocate.

822
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 3: I think even in this record that there's songs where

823
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: you're an advocate as well, And so I don't think

824
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 3: it's I think a big part of it is what

825
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: you're doing for the communities and for people that maybe

826
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: don't have a voice, but also for people that maybe

827
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 3: need a voice. And I mean I could pull up

828
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,840
Speaker 3: a couple of songs even like Johnny or Darkest Hour,

829
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 3: like do those feel like advocate type songs, like you're

830
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 3: speaking for somebody, for yourself but also for others.

831
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 10: Well, I think a lot of that also comes a

832
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 10: little bit with our We're a little bit of an

833
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 10: anomaly that we we got here completely on the backs

834
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 10: of our fans early on because we didn't have a

835
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 10: ton of industry success.

836
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 5: We were a little bit pushed to the fringes.

837
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 10: And you know, I remember one year I played Grand Rapids,

838
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 10: Michigan like nine times because I could get a thousand

839
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 10: tickets in Grand Rapperts mission.

840
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 5: We just kept rolling back.

841
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 10: You know, how many times can we go to the

842
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 10: wheel because we had to have gas money to be

843
00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 10: able to move that bus around.

844
00:42:59,640 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 6: Right.

845
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 10: So a lot of that is the people that you

846
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 10: end up seeing every night and then something happens or

847
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 10: you think about their lot in life. Yeah, I think

848
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 10: that comes out a little bit now when I think

849
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 10: about that, because I wouldn't be in the situation that

850
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 10: I'm in for for.

851
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:15,959
Speaker 2: Them, revision is history.

852
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 3: As Eric Church moved to town, wrote a bunch of songs,

853
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: was it's a successful songwriter but didn't hit and then

854
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: even a massive star.

855
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 2: That's revision is history.

856
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's false.

857
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: What's the truth.

858
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 5: It came to town.

859
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 10: I was different with what music I was writing, and

860
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 10: early on it wasn't great. You know, you come to town

861
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,399
Speaker 10: and you learn what real Now. I mean, I say

862
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 10: this to all young artists is you can't imagine. And

863
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 10: a lot of people dog now a lot of the

864
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 10: songwriting things and say, oh, it's Nashville Songwritersnation songwriters, the

865
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 10: best in the world. I mean, they're their greatest craftsmen

866
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 10: in the world. And it took me a minute to

867
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 10: come to town. And I was fortunate I came at

868
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,879
Speaker 10: a time when we still sat across from each other

869
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 10: and did that you know where Now there's a lot

870
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 10: of stuff that technology is involved, and that's fine, but

871
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 10: I got to learn from a lot of those guys.

872
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 10: So I came here and my perspective when I came

873
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 10: it's gonna be hard to believe. But there was a

874
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 10: kind of a soccer mom type format. There were a

875
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 10: lot of females. It was very driven that way, and

876
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 10: I had a more masculine approach and it was not

877
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 10: liked by most everybody, and I just had a different lane.

878
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 10: But eventually got a record deal and got in that lane.

879
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 10: But then that was a hard lane because we were

880
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 10: just we were a little different on the radio and

881
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 10: we had a hard time getting songs played because it

882
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 10: didn't fit the formula at the time, and touring was interesting.

883
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 10: So it was just along. The first couple albums were

884
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 10: a really a really challenging time. Everybody comes to town

885
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 10: and you know a lot of these young artists and

886
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 10: they get a record deal and they think I made it,

887
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 10: I've done it, But that is just the beginning of.

888
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 5: The artist part.

889
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 10: And for us, it was in that first two album

890
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 10: period before Chief that we were grinding on the road.

891
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 10: There was one year we did over two hundred actual

892
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 10: shows in a year, and a lot of that was

893
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 10: just to keep the money moving in at any level,

894
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 10: to keep moving forward.

895
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 5: You know, to keep gaining ground.

896
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 10: And at the time, a lot of people in the

897
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 10: industry would have said, this doesn't really fit what we do,

898
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 10: you know, and it's just a.

899
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 5: It's a grind. It was a grind for us.

900
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 3: Why did you move to Nashville? Was it to write

901
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 3: songs or was it to be an artist? In writing songs?

902
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,800
Speaker 3: Was going to get you to that place? To be

903
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 3: an artist?

904
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: Right?

905
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 2: Songs? It was you're a writer? Yeah, how did you

906
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: know that was a job?

907
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 5: I found that out.

908
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 10: I was in college and I had a band and

909
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 10: I started, you know, just playing some of my original

910
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 10: songs in our cover set, and you know, people the

911
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 10: next time I would go back and play there, they

912
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 10: would recrest those songs. And that just kind of where

913
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 10: I started thinking, Okay, you know, songwritings. I just never

914
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 10: thought it was viable for me to be able to

915
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 10: go and get a record deal and do that. It

916
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 10: never crossed my mind. It just wasn't something I thought

917
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 10: I could do. So I really wanted to come here

918
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 10: and write songs. And you know, I met a couple

919
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 10: songwriters when I when I moved here and kind of

920
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 10: saw what they did and how they did it, and

921
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 10: you go get a you know, you take a draw

922
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 10: and you go right for a big publishing house and

923
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 10: try to get songs cut.

924
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 3: So what'd you pack up and what did you what

925
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 3: did you move into when you got here?

926
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 10: I was in a I came to town in a two

927
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 10: tone nineteen eighty six Chevy blazer, blue and gray, that's the.

928
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 5: Color back then.

929
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 10: Man and I had guitar, had a Duffel bag, and

930
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 10: I found an apartment. But I didn't know where to be.

931
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 10: You know, when you moved to Nashville, it's like I

932
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 10: didn't know what was what?

933
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 3: Did you have anybody here that you could ask those

934
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 3: questions to? No, so you blindly moved to town.

935
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I came. I went to Broadway first.

936
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 10: I tell this story my Chief Chief Residency as I

937
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 10: came to Broadway because that's where Ryemen was, That's where

938
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 10: you know tutsis is, That's where you know all these

939
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 10: iconic things. And I tried to get gigs there and

940
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 10: I couldn't get a gig there because I came with

941
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 10: a you know, a sack of songs and my guitar

942
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 10: and they wanted cover songs and so I couldn't I

943
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 10: couldn't make it and broad on Broadway. So I ended

944
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 10: up over at Printer's Alley back in the day, which

945
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 10: is there's a place called the Fiddle and Steel Guitar Bar.

946
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 10: And what I found there were all the people that

947
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 10: got kicked off Broadway. That's where they congregated, and I

948
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 10: kind of found my tribe and there were a lot

949
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 10: of hit songwriters in that group.

950
00:47:58,239 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 5: There are a lot of musicians in that group.

951
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 10: And just kind of found my people and started figuring

952
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 10: it out. But I took a job. I had a

953
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,920
Speaker 10: job at the Shopping Home Network. I sold knives.

954
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 6: That was my job.

955
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 5: Thanks for calling Shopping Home. My name's Eric ilet Me.

956
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 2: Hope you the phones?

957
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I was. I was the phone guy, had

958
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 5: the little headset, good stuff.

959
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 2: What kind of knives?

960
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 6: Like?

961
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: What was your what was your what was your rap?

962
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 6: My rap?

963
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 10: At that time, I actually got fired because of my

964
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 10: lack of rap.

965
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 5: But I would answer the phone.

966
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 10: I had the I had the shift it was I

967
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 10: think my shift was eleven pm to like seven am.

968
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 5: I was the overnight shift.

969
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:42,439
Speaker 10: So that's the shift where the guy comes in he's

970
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 10: been at a bar and he turns on Shopping Home

971
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,280
Speaker 10: and there's the guy when we were looking at the studio,

972
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 10: so where the phone bank was. It was like an

973
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 10: amphitheater type seating and we all have our little chairs

974
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 10: and our headsets on, and we're looking at them selling

975
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 10: the knives out their television studio in front of us.

976
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 10: And this guy, you know, would call in and go

977
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,959
Speaker 10: three o'clock in the morning, slurring, going, man, I gotta

978
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 10: I gotta have some of these knives. It's like three

979
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 10: hundred knives for fifteen ninety ninety nine, right. And actually

980
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,720
Speaker 10: one night there was a guy that called in and

981
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 10: he I could tell it had a long night and

982
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 10: I had a few of those two and he was like, man,

983
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 10: this guy has some of these knives, you know, and

984
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 10: he's slurring. I was like, yeah, yeah, you know, he said,

985
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 10: you know. I said, hey, you know, what what do

986
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 10: you favor? I said, why don't you want you go

987
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 10: to bed? And first of all, when somebody calls and

988
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 10: says I need a knife at that time of night,

989
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,360
Speaker 10: you think there's already a problem. Right they don't need yeah,

990
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,239
Speaker 10: not right now. You don't need a knife right now.

991
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 5: You need to go to bed.

992
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 10: So I said, want you go to bed? And want

993
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 10: you call me in the morning, I'll still be here.

994
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 5: You know.

995
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 10: He said, what says there's three left? I said, brother,

996
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 10: trust there's more than three left. Okay, you're gonna be okay.

997
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 10: And there's that thing where when you call into something

998
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 10: like that and they'll say, for whatever purposes, this call

999
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 10: may be recorded.

1000
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 5: They do that, and they happened to record this call.

1001
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 2: That's how you got gots.

1002
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 5: I got cut. How's it.

1003
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 2: You're advocating for that, dude.

1004
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 10: I was advocating for that, dude. They didn't like that

1005
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 10: shoving on those they they fired me.

1006
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 3: Uh, what's up with that name of the record Evangeline

1007
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 3: versus the Machine.

1008
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 10: Well, so I think a lot of some of this,

1009
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 10: some of this somewhat started. There's a there's a line

1010
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 10: in Johnny that's a very important song on this album

1011
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 10: because of the Covenant shooting here in Nashville. But there's

1012
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 10: a line in there says, machines control.

1013
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 5: Of people, and the people shoot shoot at kids.

1014
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 10: And what I've found having younger kids is there's so

1015
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 10: much of our life nowadays. It's just so fast and

1016
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 10: disposable with how we consume anything. And what I've seen

1017
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 10: is it really rounds the edges off anything we try

1018
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 10: to do different or creative, that's just not what the

1019
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 10: world is set up for today. It's not set up

1020
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 10: for the patient part of that. And so I think

1021
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 10: that that that line is when that title started.

1022
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 5: But the crux of this.

1023
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 10: Is Evangeline on the album plays almost a creative muse

1024
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:14,839
Speaker 10: that song. So it's that creative muse and following that

1025
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 10: versus the machine that makes it very hard to execute that.

1026
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 10: And that's that's the that's the juxtaposition of love what

1027
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 10: this is.

1028
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: When you mentioned Johnny and the shooting, and that was

1029
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 3: very personal to all of us here because it was

1030
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 3: so close to us, and it's probably close to a

1031
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 3: lot of people in a lot of places. Because it's

1032
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: so close to a lot of people, it's happening everywhere

1033
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 3: all the time. The Johnny Johnny versus the Devil Devil

1034
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 3: went down to Georgia that the song was playing, because

1035
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 3: that is that part of the like you were thinking

1036
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:45,839
Speaker 3: about when you wrote the song. Yeah, I was hear

1037
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: the song Devil went down to Georgia as I was.

1038
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 10: My kids go nearby here and I was, which is

1039
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,240
Speaker 10: a couple of miles from Covenant whatever, and the hardest

1040
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 10: thing I've ever done in my life is dropped my

1041
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 10: kids off the day after the shooting because they had

1042
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 10: decided that, you know, that kids needed to feel some

1043
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 10: normalcy and go back to school. And I remember, I've

1044
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 10: never I've never done anything harder than that when I

1045
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 10: when I watched them walk in.

1046
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 5: That school and both boys go in together.

1047
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 10: There's a bunch of people out front, teachers are crying everything,

1048
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 10: so everybody goes inside, and I didn't know what to do.

1049
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 10: I felt helpless, scared all those things. So I just

1050
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 10: parked in the parking lot there and I sat there,

1051
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 10: and I don't know how long I was going to

1052
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 10: sit there. I just felt like I needed to be there.

1053
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 10: And as at some point in time, during probably an hour,

1054
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 10: at some point in time, I looked at my right

1055
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 10: and I looked to my left, and there were parents

1056
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:46,319
Speaker 10: that had done the same thing all the way down

1057
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 10: the line, moms and dads, and they were just sitting

1058
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 10: there and I had the radio on and it was

1059
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 10: down low. I wouldn't paying attention to it, but that

1060
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 10: went down Georgia was on, and there was a piece

1061
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 10: of that in that moment. As I'm looking to my

1062
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 10: left and looking to my right and thinking about my kids.

1063
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 10: That you know, Johnny rawsing up your bow and play

1064
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 10: your fiddle. Hard Hills broke loose in Georgia and the

1065
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 10: Devil deals cards and if you win, you get to

1066
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 10: shiny fidel and made of gold, and if you lose,

1067
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 10: the devil gets yourself. And I remember thinking, if only

1068
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 10: Johnny was confined, or only if the devil was confined

1069
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 10: to Georgia. He's out of Georgia, He's everywhere, and we

1070
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 10: need Johnny to come back and help. And that was it,

1071
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 10: and I pulled out of the parking lot finally, and

1072
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 10: I went home and I did like and some of

1073
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,400
Speaker 10: this may have went to the Evangeline versus the machine,

1074
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,319
Speaker 10: because there is that Johnny versus the devil, you know,

1075
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 10: that started that thing, good evil.

1076
00:53:44,600 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 5: Kind of thing.

1077
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,680
Speaker 10: And I went home and I said, it would be

1078
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,200
Speaker 10: interesting if we if a song was written from that perspective,

1079
00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 10: where you bring back a character from a song we

1080
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 10: all know from thirty forty years ago and he gets

1081
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 10: to play a different role.

1082
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 5: And so I wrote, Johnny.

1083
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 7: The Bobby Cast will be right back. Welcome back to

1084
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 7: the Bobby Cast.

1085
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 3: At number two is John Fogerty, the lead singer of

1086
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 3: Creden's clear Water Revival. He is in the Rock and

1087
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 3: Roll Hall of Fame. He is a legend. I was

1088
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: very excited about this because I'm a massive fan of CCR,

1089
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 3: and we talk about the origin story of the band,

1090
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 3: how the name came about, songs that he wrote, like

1091
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: Proud Mary, like fortunate Son. This episode for me one

1092
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: of the real highlights. Obviously from episode five thirty eight,

1093
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,160
Speaker 3: here's John Fogerty at number two.

1094
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 2: How did you get discovered?

1095
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 3: How did a band get discovered back then when there

1096
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: wasn't social media, you know, you couldn't just text your

1097
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 3: buddy and be like, hey, come check this person out.

1098
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 3: Like what was the process?

1099
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 6: Like, well, it depends on what you mean discovery.

1100
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 9: To get a record deal even, Okay, Well, around the

1101
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 9: age of fourteen, when the Little Blue Velvet were playing around,

1102
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 9: we ended up representing the els Rito It's my town

1103
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 9: else Rito boys Club, and so we played various different

1104
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 9: venues including boys clubs from other towns around the Bay Area.

1105
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 9: And one of those things, there was this singer named

1106
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 9: James Powell about He's about twenty four to twenty five

1107
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 9: years old, and he tapped me on his shoulder after

1108
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 9: we'd played, would you guys be interested in making a record?

1109
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 9: I'll try and cut that to Chase, I said sure.

1110
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,080
Speaker 9: We ended up learning the songs with James. He had,

1111
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 9: you know, kind of a pocket full of songs and

1112
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:46,760
Speaker 9: they were all girls' names, but his style was pretty

1113
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:52,560
Speaker 9: much do wop, and we ended up learning or recording

1114
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 9: a song called Beverly Angel, and the other side was

1115
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:00,480
Speaker 9: called Lydia, which was sort of a calypso thing, but

1116
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 9: Beverly Angel was a do wop classic. I mean it

1117
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 9: was done D D D, you know, one of those things.

1118
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 9: And we went over to Coast Recorders in San Francisco.

1119
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 6: I think it was called something else then.

1120
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 9: Anyway, the trio piano, drums, and guitar, and then James

1121
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 9: sang his part and harmonized with himself and I overdubbed.

1122
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 9: It's a whole nother story I won't get into, but

1123
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:33,799
Speaker 9: from one of the guys on my paper.

1124
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 6: Route who was a.

1125
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:39,400
Speaker 9: Bass player in a country Western band. He was a dad.

1126
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 9: He could have been my dad, he was that age.

1127
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 9: He loaned me his stand up doghouse bass to play

1128
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 9: on this record, and so I played that on the record.

1129
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 9: And it's actually pretty cool even now. That didn't get discovered,

1130
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 9: but it did get played on the R and B station,

1131
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 9: and Stu Cook tells me that in electronics. I guess

1132
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 9: it was that, you know, I wasn't going to elswet

1133
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 9: O high at that point, but anyway, he was in electronics.

1134
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:15,040
Speaker 9: The project was to make a radio and he's got

1135
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 9: the thing working, tuned it in and out popped Beverly Angel.

1136
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 6: It's a great story. I hope it's true, you know.

1137
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 9: So they probably played that song, that record for about

1138
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 9: a week, and then a little later my brother Tom

1139
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 9: got us on a label called Orchestra Records.

1140
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 6: The fella had his you know own label.

1141
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 9: We made I don't know, four or five records there,

1142
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 9: one of them a song I wrote called have You

1143
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 9: Ever Been Lonely? It was a new song, not the

1144
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 9: old country standard, and that got picked by one of

1145
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 9: the DJs as a pick of the week and was

1146
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:55,479
Speaker 9: played all week.

1147
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 6: So and again we.

1148
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 9: Got played, but it it didn't go much further after that,

1149
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 9: and finally took me knocking on the door at Fantasy,

1150
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 9: which was a little bit bigger label.

1151
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 3: Not much and did they want to hear a body

1152
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 3: of work. Are they playing your songs?

1153
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 9: Like?

1154
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 3: How do you go to a bigger label and go, hey,

1155
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 3: we have this thing going, we want you to invest

1156
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 3: in us.

1157
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 6: I wish it was.

1158
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,919
Speaker 9: I wish it was that together, and maybe it's more

1159
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 9: so nowadays.

1160
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:26,480
Speaker 6: I don't know.

1161
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 9: There had been this special on TV called Anatomy of

1162
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 9: a Hit as a local jazz writer in the paper

1163
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 9: had kind of narrated and produced it. It was about

1164
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 9: Vince Giraldi's song. It was instrumental called cast Your Fate

1165
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 9: to the Wind, a jazz record that became a top

1166
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 9: forty hit that was fantasy. It was basically their first

1167
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 9: hit record in forty years of something of being a

1168
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 9: record label. And so I watched that. My brother Tom

1169
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 9: watched that. So I decided to go over and just

1170
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 9: knock on their door and went in. You know, I

1171
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 9: think I had phoned ahead, but anyway, they were expecting me.

1172
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 9: And I met this fella that was the guy, the

1173
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 9: same one we saw on TV. I had a kind

1174
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 9: of a box full of tapes of instrumentals and he's,

1175
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 9: you know, listened to my spiel and all that, and

1176
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 9: he said, well, do you have any songs with words?

1177
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,160
Speaker 9: That's kind of normally what Tom and I did together.

1178
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 9: So I said, well sure, He said, well come back

1179
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 9: and play us.

1180
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 6: Oh. At first, what he did was he walked us over.

1181
00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 9: Walked me over to the desk there and opened a

1182
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 9: Billboard magazine. He said, well, songs with words do a

1183
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,920
Speaker 9: lot better than instrumentals. And then it happened to be

1184
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,959
Speaker 9: that week he opens Billboard and there's the top ten

1185
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 9: and the first six are Beatles songs. And of course

1186
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 9: I knew about that, but he was trying to say that,

1187
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 9: you see, songs with words will turn you into the

1188
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 9: Beatles or something like that.

1189
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 6: Okay, sir hm.

1190
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 9: We then made a whole bunch of recordings for that label,

1191
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 9: kind of in this shed they had at the back

1192
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 9: of their warehouse, a kind of a makeshift recording studio,

1193
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 9: and they renamed us the Gollywalgs.

1194
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 2: Of course we hated that without your consent.

1195
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, the first recording we had made came back, you know,

1196
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 9: they phoned us, the records are in, come over, and

1197
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 9: you know, we opened the box and it says gollywalgs.

1198
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 9: I just figured it was a typele. There's something wrong here, Max.

1199
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,320
Speaker 6: Look at this. It says gollywalgs.

1200
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 9: And then he let us know the the evil plot

1201
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:46,760
Speaker 9: that was afoot here.

1202
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 2: So they've changed your name without telling you. That's wild.

1203
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's obscene, don't I don't know why I didn't

1204
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:55,959
Speaker 9: just walk out the door.

1205
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 6: But that's how desperate things are.

1206
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 9: Of course, you okay, sir, whatever you want. You're just

1207
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 9: desperate to try and make a record that might get

1208
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:07,680
Speaker 9: on the radio.

1209
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 2: How long were you the Golliwogs.

1210
01:01:11,560 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 9: Until nineteen sixty seven? That was sixty four, when, of course,

1211
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 9: because of the Beatle Week in nineteen sixty seven, the

1212
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 9: guy who had been formerly the sales rep for the

1213
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 9: Fantasy the Jazz label, his name was Saul's Ants. He

1214
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 9: summoned us to his house and told us that he

1215
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 9: had purchased Fantasy Records. I didn't know then that he

1216
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 9: had other investors too, but I just thought he bought

1217
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 9: the label. And he said, and we'd like to sign

1218
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 9: the band, meaning we meaning he'd like to sign the band.

1219
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,479
Speaker 9: And the first thing out of our mouths was, Saul,

1220
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 9: we got to change our name. We hate being golliwogs.

1221
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 9: And he said sure, okay.

1222
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:59,440
Speaker 2: And did he say what do he wanted to be?

1223
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 6: No?

1224
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 9: No, but years later this is the you know how

1225
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 9: Victory has a thousand bothers. What really happened was within

1226
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 9: the band we said, okay, we got to come up

1227
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 9: with a new name. You know, we're scrapping everything and

1228
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:22,000
Speaker 9: we're going to come up with a good new name.

1229
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 9: Years later, I read some quote from Saul saying, and

1230
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 9: then I told those boys, golly Wald stinks, you have

1231
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 9: to go out and get something more earthy, in other words,

1232
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 9: taking ownership of the whope it's like and when you're

1233
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 9: young and dumb, that's kind of what happens to you.

1234
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 9: But clearly we went off because we've been what's the word,

1235
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 9: just chafing under that yoke of a name. And it

1236
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 9: took a couple of months. Basically, I was growing up

1237
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 9: pretty fast. I was evolving is the word I use

1238
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 9: in a lot of different ways because after that experience

1239
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 9: and having freshly just gotten off active duty with the army.

1240
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 9: It was, and I was twenty two years old. I

1241
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 9: was starting to feel like, man, it's make or break time.

1242
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 9: My dream might go away if I don't really manifest something.

1243
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 9: And so we came up with different names, meaning the

1244
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,240
Speaker 9: guys would call me and there'd be one kind of

1245
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 9: wacky or lame thing man.

1246
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 6: Finally, on.

1247
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 9: Christmas Eve of nineteen sixty seven, I came up with

1248
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 9: Creden's Clearwater Revival and I knew it was it. I mean,

1249
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 9: I knew in my heart that wow, this is better

1250
01:03:44,040 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 9: than us. Actually, this name is up here in the

1251
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 9: cloud somewhere.

1252
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 6: We got to get up there.

1253
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 3: So what about those words and those three terms together

1254
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 3: made you go, this is it? What drew you to

1255
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 3: Creden's Clearwater Revival?

1256
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 9: Okay, well I was watching television Christmas Eve, so you're

1257
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 9: sort of in that you know mood, it's a wonderful

1258
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 9: time of year and of your life. And on comes

1259
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 9: this beer commercial for Olympia Beer, and their slogan is

1260
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 9: It's the Water. So they're showing this really lush, magical

1261
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,800
Speaker 9: forest with the green trees and it might have been

1262
01:04:22,840 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 9: a little deer, you know. Band becomes over and nudges

1263
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,720
Speaker 9: against a little borsch or something, and then there's this

1264
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 9: little babbling brook. You know, water is just coming and

1265
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 9: it's just enchanted looking, and their slogan it's the water

1266
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 9: and immediate you know, which I liked is oh, and

1267
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 9: I think the beach Boys literally are in the background,

1268
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 9: singing with their beautiful harmonies and all that. It's just

1269
01:04:47,880 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 9: a pretty serene place to be. Immediately after that commercial, ooh,

1270
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 9: next thing. It's black and white and it's an anti

1271
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 9: pollution commercial and it's shows styrofoam cups and cigarette butts

1272
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 9: in a creek.

1273
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 6: It's all polluted.

1274
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 9: And at the end of the little commercial, black and white,

1275
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,480
Speaker 9: very shocking looking, it says, if you want to change

1276
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:15,479
Speaker 9: this right to clean water, Washington, that's all you got

1277
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 9: to you know, it'll get there. And I the juxtaposition

1278
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 9: of those two waters, you know, it really stuck.

1279
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,200
Speaker 6: It just shocked me. And I looked at that. I said,

1280
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:27,120
Speaker 6: clean water, Yeah, I like that.

1281
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:31,160
Speaker 9: It touched my soul, and in an instant I realized

1282
01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 9: I was actually, what do you call it, internalizing? I

1283
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 9: was making it part of me because I had an

1284
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 9: urgent need and I like clean water, but not clean

1285
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:46,400
Speaker 9: clear water. Wow, clear that's it, And I mean that

1286
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:50,520
Speaker 9: seemed to be the soul of the idea here, and

1287
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:53,160
Speaker 9: I quickly started thinking of what the goal with it.

1288
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 6: A few months before, actually we had.

1289
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 9: Had the new Credens spin around in our little orbit

1290
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 9: because we knew a fella named Credence new Ball, such

1291
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 9: an unusual name, and so you know in all the

1292
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 9: different you know, clear Water, fruit Jar, clear Water Cloud,

1293
01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,000
Speaker 9: clear Water Warehouse, what are you you know, you're just

1294
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:30,120
Speaker 9: associating and suddenly clear Water Credence, Oh no, Creden's clear Water.

1295
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 6: Okay, I mean your brain just does this. That was killer.

1296
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 9: That was a winner to me, and it just felt

1297
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 9: not quite complete. And so then to the kind of

1298
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 9: mood I was in was that our band was having

1299
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:49,640
Speaker 9: a resurgence or a renewal, and I was trying to

1300
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 9: state that it was in my head and find anyone

1301
01:06:52,160 --> 01:07:00,880
Speaker 9: that came across my mental windshield. It's Creten's Clearwater revivle wow.

1302
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 9: I mean, remember this is in the B area right

1303
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:08,760
Speaker 9: during the time of Quicksilver Messenger Service and Jefferson Airplane

1304
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:11,920
Speaker 9: and Grateful Dead and all that sort of thing. Creten's

1305
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 9: Clearwater Revival seemed to be. It was so perfect and

1306
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 9: so above our station at the moment. I really loved it.

1307
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 3: What was the first song you wrote as Creden's Clearwater

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Speaker 3: Revival that actually had some traction and not the first

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Speaker 3: song that came out Because a lot of times you write

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Speaker 3: a song that it comes out, you know, it may

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Speaker 3: take a bit.

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Speaker 2: You have it, you've written it.

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Speaker 3: What's the first song you write as this new entity

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Speaker 3: of Creden's Clearwater Revival that had traction?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, because there were the first Credence album had SUSIQ

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Speaker 9: and I Put a Spell on You.

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Speaker 6: Which I didn't write. Both of those I didn't write.

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Speaker 9: There were some other songs I did write, but there's

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Speaker 9: sort of you know, they're work in progress, they're on

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Speaker 9: their way.

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Speaker 2: Can I hear that in your writing?

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Speaker 3: You can tell when you're getting better by listening to

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Speaker 3: your songs through the years.

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Speaker 9: Oh sure, yeah, Oh sure, that's Oh sure, I'll come

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Speaker 9: back to that if you let me in a minute.

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Speaker 9: But anyway, but right as the first album's coming out,

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Speaker 9: which we had, we had kind of earned the right

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Speaker 9: to do that because susi Q was already being played

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Speaker 9: on the local underground stations. It was getting some traction,

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Speaker 9: and right in that time, I was already trying to

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Speaker 9: prepare for.

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Speaker 6: My next album. I mean I would.

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Speaker 9: I had my hand on the tiller and I wasn't

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Speaker 9: going to let go. I got my honorable discharge from

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Speaker 9: the army and it's sitting on the steps to my

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Speaker 9: little apartment and I picked that up. You know, I

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Speaker 9: didn't realize it was for me for a couple of days.

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Speaker 6: I finally, oh, it's my dischart.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 9: Well, anyhow, I ran in the house and I'm out.

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Speaker 9: I mean I was, I was clear. I was free

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Speaker 9: as the word to a twenty two year old. I

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Speaker 9: ran in the house, picked up my guitar and started strumming.

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Speaker 9: And what came out of me was left a good

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01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 9: job in the city, working for the man every night

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Speaker 9: and day. And that's exactly what that refers to. I

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Speaker 9: stayed on that thought I strumming the guitar. I mean,

1348
01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 9: these things are just I can't even say I created them.

1349
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,840
Speaker 9: It really felt more like if I cleared my mind,

1350
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,639
Speaker 9: it'll come through, you know, like a radio station.

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Speaker 6: And it did. I got to.

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01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,479
Speaker 9: Where I was singing, rolling, rolling, rolling on the river,

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01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:42,679
Speaker 9: and I was pretty excited. This is starting to seem

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01:09:42,720 --> 01:09:46,120
Speaker 9: pretty cool. What is this thing all about? Well, I

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01:09:46,160 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 9: had started to keep a song book. If you want

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01:09:50,439 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 9: me to go back and tell that story, I will,

1357
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Speaker 9: but I would.

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Speaker 2: Love to hear it when we go back. I'm gonna

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01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 2: put a pin in it and we'll go back to

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01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 2: it all right.

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Speaker 9: Anyhow, I opened that book that I've been sitting there

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Speaker 9: for a few months now, and I've been putting things

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Speaker 9: into it. And I opened the book and the first

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Speaker 9: entry in the book, it's a little vinyl binder, that's

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Speaker 9: all it is, and the first entry is Proud Mary.

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Speaker 9: And I look at that and went, oh, this song's

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01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 9: about a boat. Why it's about a boat, And the

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Speaker 9: name of the boat is the Proud Mary. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 9: that's it. I'm rolling on the river with Proud Mary.

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Speaker 9: I finished the song, so you right, within about an

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01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 9: hour it was done. And you asked me about the

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Speaker 9: first song I wrote as credence that had traction. It

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01:10:41,840 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 9: was actually more than that. I'm holding the piece of

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01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 9: paper in my hands and I'm looking at it, and

1375
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 9: I had self awareness. This had never happened to me.

1376
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 9: I'd written dozens of songs in my life, starting when

1377
01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,080
Speaker 9: i was eight years old. But I'm sitting here with

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01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 9: this piece of paper and proud Marry John, You've written

1379
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:06,680
Speaker 9: a classic. This is a classic. It's what every songwriter

1380
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 9: is dreaming about. You know, my mom had told me

1381
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 9: about Stephen Foster Irving Berlin Hogy Carmichael, and I had

1382
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 9: discovered my own people I loved, like Libre and Stoler,

1383
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 9: you know, the Coasters, certainly, Lennon and McCartney, people like that,

1384
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 9: Harold King, you know, people that were real songwriters, and

1385
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 9: you just know that they're up there in the clouds somewhere,

1386
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 9: and you're doing.

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Speaker 6: Your little ditties.

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Speaker 9: Every once in a while, you're writing your little songs

1389
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:41,760
Speaker 9: and hoping some somehow you're fantasizing about being up there

1390
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 9: with those people. I'm holding that piece of paper. You've

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01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,840
Speaker 9: written a classic John Wow. And I realized at the

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01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 9: time that it was that good. And then then the

1393
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:57,799
Speaker 9: next thing, I realized, I'm sitting there looking at it.

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01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 9: I'm the only person in the whole world that knows this.

1395
01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 9: I mean, it was a bizarre thought that came to

1396
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:09,240
Speaker 9: my mind of understanding. I guess in some primitive way,

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01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:12,720
Speaker 9: it's going to go everywhere, but you're the only one

1398
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 9: that knows.

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Speaker 6: It right now. It's just a weird personal thought.

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Speaker 3: And you had that feeling. I guess my question did

1401
01:12:19,200 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 3: you ever have that feeling before?

1402
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 2: Or was this the lightning bolt?

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01:12:23,320 --> 01:12:26,599
Speaker 6: This was the lightning bolt? Never had that feeling before?

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01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 9: I mean, if you'd walked up to me and I'm,

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01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 9: you know, working on one of the recordings we had done.

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01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 9: You know, yeah, that's good. You know, that's kind of

1407
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 9: the way we are, or it could happen. You know,

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01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 9: let me play you three other songs that are worse

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01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,000
Speaker 9: than this, you know from the radio.

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01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 6: I mean everyone does that.

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01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:48,519
Speaker 9: It's a foolish sort of following yourself to the bottom.

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01:12:48,640 --> 01:12:48,840
Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 9: The other way is the way it should happen. You

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01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,600
Speaker 9: should create something that's so great that you're grinning, you're smiling,

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01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 9: it's so good, and everyone around you here's nosey too.

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01:13:02,000 --> 01:13:04,840
Speaker 9: I mean, that's that's the way to know that you're

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Speaker 9: on your way.

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Speaker 7: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor.

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Speaker 2: of twenty twenty five. They were all great.

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Speaker 3: Sorry to classify him, but I think when Ringo Star

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Speaker 3: from the Beatles came over to my house man, that's

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Speaker 3: got to be number one. It was episode four ninety five.

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Speaker 3: Why well, because it's Ringo Star from the Beatles. We

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Speaker 3: talked about his new country album and his name because

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Speaker 3: it's not his real name, and he shared stories from

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01:13:39,200 --> 01:13:42,559
Speaker 3: way back in the day. Loved it surreal A plus

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Speaker 3: conversation and interview. Our number one is Ringo Star from

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Speaker 3: the Beatles.

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Speaker 2: Did you guys ever open for anyone early on?

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Speaker 11: Oh yeah, we opened for Roy Olbison were open for

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01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 11: a lot of people. And in fact, the first tour

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Speaker 11: we did with a co I can't even think of

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Speaker 11: a name now because you've asked me about it. She

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Speaker 11: was like a big hit. She was like fourteen fifteen

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01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 11: in England. This is all in England, and we had

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Speaker 11: three numbers at the beginning the curtains opened, we did

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01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:18,280
Speaker 11: three numbers and that's how we to us.

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Speaker 5: Was a step up from clubs to theaters.

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Speaker 11: And then we kept doing that and we'd have tweeny

1442
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 11: low pairs and Roy was great. Roy was the hardest

1443
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,559
Speaker 11: act we ever had to follow.

1444
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 2: Why is that?

1445
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 5: Because he is great? He would just.

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Speaker 11: Stand there with those shades on and not a lot

1447
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 11: of movement, but all coming out and so we would

1448
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:41,759
Speaker 11: be behind the curtain.

1449
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 5: Were next on she Don't Don't Don't Don't.

1450
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 11: We beat playing on the guitar little hints of our

1451
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 11: songs while he was on.

1452
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 5: But then we we.

1453
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,680
Speaker 11: Closed the first half we'd moved up, and then we

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01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 11: closed the show and we had a few problems with

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Speaker 11: some American acts who came over, and you know, we

1456
01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 11: were just rising in England really fast, and you know,

1457
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,040
Speaker 11: they'd come in expecting to be top of the bill.

1458
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 11: And Tommy row was great because he realized right away.

1459
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 11: But we had another actor came over who I'm American.

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Speaker 5: I on top of the bill and.

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Speaker 11: Said, okay, So we played to the halfway through, we

1462
01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 11: played the break and and we left and everybody else

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Speaker 11: left left it.

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Speaker 5: He was on his own.

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Speaker 2: When was music introduced to you as a kid.

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Speaker 11: As far as the big news, my stepdad loved. He

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01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 11: had his little room with a little record player, but

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01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:52,560
Speaker 11: he was a big band and you know, Billy Daniels

1469
01:15:52,640 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 11: and a lot of old people, and he would play that.

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Speaker 11: I think because of that, this influence of him playing

1471
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Speaker 11: all this music the big bands, even.

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Speaker 5: If it's straight rock, I sort of shuffle it. I

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01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:09,559
Speaker 5: swing it a bit.

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Speaker 11: And I think that all came because you know, even

1475
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 11: when Little Richard came up rock and roll days, everything

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01:16:15,640 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 11: was swing like big band and so I you know,

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Speaker 11: I've always loved him for that. I loved him anyway

1478
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:28,439
Speaker 11: but the music was great. And the last thing he said,

1479
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Speaker 11: I'd be playing my stuff and well have you heard this?

1480
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,400
Speaker 11: And it was like, it's like one of my biggest

1481
01:16:34,400 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 11: memory and he says, well have you heard this?

1482
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Speaker 5: And it was Sarah Bonn. You know, that's pretty far out.

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Speaker 11: For you my dad, stepdad to play and give you

1484
01:16:45,720 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 11: a hint about people out there. But the other good

1485
01:16:48,680 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 11: side of the story, my son Zach was like eight

1486
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:55,519
Speaker 11: and he came running down from school and he's got

1487
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Speaker 11: a record under his own.

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01:16:56,760 --> 01:17:00,040
Speaker 5: He said, oh god, we got to play this. I

1489
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 5: gotta play this to you. I've said, well, who is it? Son?

1490
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,160
Speaker 5: He said, Rachels.

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Speaker 11: So I followed my stepdad's attitude with my own kids.

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Speaker 5: Oh well, let's play it and see what it's like.

1493
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: You know, my grandma. It was a lot of Johnny Cash.

1494
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 3: It was a lot of modern sounds of country music

1495
01:17:20,280 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 3: from Ray Charles, and that was what I was kind

1496
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,040
Speaker 3: of introduced to his music. And then I kind of

1497
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 3: found my own music, right, and so that was my

1498
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,599
Speaker 3: like your stepdad and that music, like, that's what I

1499
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Speaker 3: remember first. But then when I found my own music,

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Speaker 3: it was a bit different. What was your own music first?

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01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 11: Well, you know, I liked the blues and I love country,

1502
01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:42,879
Speaker 11: and they were the first two and then pop records

1503
01:17:42,920 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 11: of the time. And the Lightning Hopkins the blues player

1504
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:54,400
Speaker 11: out of all of the blues players. I just loved him.

1505
01:17:55,200 --> 01:17:57,160
Speaker 11: I looked at because he didn't really finish the lines

1506
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 11: of it, I'm going down to bother sing, but it

1507
01:18:02,720 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 11: just got to me. He was like, So, you know,

1508
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 11: it's a well known story now, but my friend, one

1509
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 11: of my friends in Liverpool and I decided we wanted

1510
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 11: to go to Houston, Texas to be where Lightning lived.

1511
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 11: And we went down to the embassy and we asked

1512
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Speaker 11: for the American embassy in Liverpool, and we asked for

1513
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 11: the papers that we could fill in to you know,

1514
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 11: emigrate to Houston, Texas, and they gave us these papers.

1515
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 11: But we both worked in the factory, and they gave

1516
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 11: us a list of factories we could apply to to

1517
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:42,439
Speaker 11: get a job, and so we filled those forms in

1518
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 11: and then we took him back like we're ready, and

1519
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 11: they gave.

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Speaker 5: Us a lot more forms, and we're teenagers. We ripped them.

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Speaker 5: The bogger's up.

1522
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:54,040
Speaker 2: Did you ever go?

1523
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:54,639
Speaker 8: No?

1524
01:18:54,760 --> 01:18:55,040
Speaker 2: Ever?

1525
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,400
Speaker 5: Even later, no, No, I played there.

1526
01:18:57,479 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you never went to the house like, well, no.

1527
01:18:59,120 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 5: No, I never did any that. Yeah, you know, things

1528
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:02,759
Speaker 5: have changed.

1529
01:19:03,240 --> 01:19:07,479
Speaker 3: I feel like when this record, I feel like it's

1530
01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 3: so naturally you and I think that speaks to both

1531
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:11,519
Speaker 3: T bone.

1532
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:14,000
Speaker 5: And you know, it's absolutely speaks to T bone.

1533
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 11: But but but he.

1534
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:20,200
Speaker 5: Put me together in a great space.

1535
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 3: So and I think my point is it didn't feel

1536
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 3: like you were doing anything unnatural at all.

1537
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 11: Well that's what he figured out. He pointed that out

1538
01:19:30,760 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 11: to me, and I love. They say, well, you know

1539
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:33,880
Speaker 11: what about the song?

1540
01:19:33,960 --> 01:19:34,240
Speaker 2: You said?

1541
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,120
Speaker 5: Every song was in my key.

1542
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 11: You know, sometimes people send you songs and the key

1543
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 11: of f demented and they say, why haven't never heard me?

1544
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,680
Speaker 5: But he and since we got to.

1545
01:19:47,680 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 11: Know each other a bit better and we actually spoke

1546
01:19:49,960 --> 01:19:55,000
Speaker 11: to each other, he always felt he thought about me

1547
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 11: many times, but he felt and when I listened back

1548
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,599
Speaker 11: to like on the Beatle tracks, out did the Carl

1549
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 11: Perkins record. From there it started. Mine always had sort

1550
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:11,439
Speaker 11: of a country ish feel, and then.

1551
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 5: The ones I wrote it.

1552
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 11: The first songs I wrote were sort of country songs,

1553
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 11: and so he put all that together, and then he

1554
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,840
Speaker 11: put the tracks together. He wrote the songs as I

1555
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 11: said he had nine and put everybody on them.

1556
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 5: And I did the drums.

1557
01:20:30,920 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 11: In La, in my little studio because the sound is

1558
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 11: so great there out of the blue. We didn't do

1559
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 11: anything to it, just was a bedroom. But now we

1560
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 11: just put the drums in and for some reason, the

1561
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:48,719
Speaker 11: drums sound great there and and the vocals, and I'd

1562
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:51,719
Speaker 11: send them back to him or then he'd come into

1563
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 11: LA and that's how that's how we did it. And yeah,

1564
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 11: I love to listen to it, you know, I'm really

1565
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,519
Speaker 11: thankful to you.

1566
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 2: I love as far as the sounds of the record,

1567
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:16,360
Speaker 2: I love the keys, the keys in my key, I

1568
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,000
Speaker 2: love the whistle.

1569
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's just.

1570
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,639
Speaker 3: The sound of the record sounds so organically you while

1571
01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,360
Speaker 3: still sounding like a country record, but not like you're

1572
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 3: trying to do a country record.

1573
01:21:30,520 --> 01:21:32,600
Speaker 2: It is. It's the perfect balance.

1574
01:21:33,240 --> 01:21:33,519
Speaker 8: You know.

1575
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 5: I'm the whistler.

1576
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 2: No, I didn't know that. Are you a good whistler?

1577
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 5: Well, I'm on the record.

1578
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:40,320
Speaker 2: Well, but you got to put yourself on the record though.

1579
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 2: I mean it sounds great, but can are you a

1580
01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: good whistler? In general?

1581
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 5: I was?

1582
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:49,440
Speaker 11: And then I had some dental work and the mouse's moves.

1583
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:52,800
Speaker 5: I've got to train myself.

1584
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 2: That's pretty good though. That's still good.

1585
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 5: No, no, no, that's me the record. Oh no, I

1586
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 5: can happy radio.

1587
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 11: See that's still a plus.

1588
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 5: Well yeah, but for me it was it was just a.

1589
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 11: Bigger than an a my whistling that's on the record

1590
01:22:18,720 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 11: because I could get a little deeper. But as I said,

1591
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 11: I had gentle work done and the so that the

1592
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:31,080
Speaker 11: flow is changed. It's mad, but that's how it is.

1593
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 3: I want to ask you one more question about your

1594
01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 3: grandparents because that resonates with me so much.

1595
01:22:35,640 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 2: Did they get to see your success?

1596
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 5: No, I was in the band then, and sort of

1597
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 5: I was in.

1598
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 11: And we were playing in Germany. I was with Rory

1599
01:22:52,280 --> 01:22:56,840
Speaker 11: by then Rory's the Hurricanes, and I was there when

1600
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,840
Speaker 11: my granddad went, and I was doing the gig in

1601
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:03,360
Speaker 11: Germany when my grandma went, so I couldn't come home

1602
01:23:03,439 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 11: because everyone would have to play. But no, they didn't

1603
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 11: see it like unfolding. I mean, they knew I played,

1604
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 11: but they never came to a gig and we went

1605
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 11: big time.

1606
01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:18,240
Speaker 5: We were local bands.

1607
01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 3: What was your in your mind, your ceiling when you

1608
01:23:21,520 --> 01:23:24,479
Speaker 3: were starting out and you're playing clubs and traveling around, like,

1609
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 3: how big did you think how far did you think

1610
01:23:27,080 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: you could go in music?

1611
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:36,559
Speaker 11: I don't remember like thinking that. One of my mom's

1612
01:23:36,600 --> 01:23:40,880
Speaker 11: best friends, Annie Maguire, she would say, you know, I'd

1613
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,800
Speaker 11: be hitting them in the house. I can see you

1614
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,080
Speaker 11: on the London Palladium one day, son, and she gave spirits,

1615
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 11: so a lot of people in Liverpool gave your spirit.

1616
01:23:51,720 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 5: Anyway, I played.

1617
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 11: I only could take the snare because we were a

1618
01:23:54,920 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 11: skiffle group. And Eddie Clayton, the guy next door, and

1619
01:24:00,040 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 11: he was in the factory.

1620
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,400
Speaker 5: I was in the factory and Roy the you know,

1621
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 5: it was just a.

1622
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 11: Wooden box with a pole and that was the base

1623
01:24:11,800 --> 01:24:14,320
Speaker 11: and I had a surle and that's how we started.

1624
01:24:15,200 --> 01:24:18,680
Speaker 11: And we had no sense of timing. I remember that

1625
01:24:18,720 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 11: once we placed some sort of dancing.

1626
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 5: Oh, Maggie, Maggie May. They are taking out the wagon

1627
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,080
Speaker 5: each other dancing. They're dancing because you saw it down.

1628
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 11: So I'm amazed because I have really great time, you

1629
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 11: know time, and I'm good at that. I mean, it's

1630
01:24:37,320 --> 01:24:40,320
Speaker 11: just God given gift that I can keep time.

1631
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:41,920
Speaker 2: What was your job in the factory.

1632
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 11: My job was to be an apprentice engineer. At first

1633
01:24:45,560 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 11: I worked on the railways as a delivery kid boy.

1634
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:56,000
Speaker 11: I was sixteen, and then I was on the coastal

1635
01:24:56,120 --> 01:25:01,479
Speaker 11: boats like party boats, like or five hundred people would

1636
01:25:01,479 --> 01:25:04,640
Speaker 11: go from Liverpool to Wales and all they did was

1637
01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 11: drink all the way and drink all the way back.

1638
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:12,840
Speaker 11: And I lasted five weeks on the railway, five weeks

1639
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:16,640
Speaker 11: on the boats, and then my mom I, you know, oh,

1640
01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 11: I've been fired, and by Monday she dub me in

1641
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 11: a new job and she got me this job in

1642
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,320
Speaker 11: the factory. But while in that factory, that's when it

1643
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:26,559
Speaker 11: came I want to play.

1644
01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 5: I want to play.

1645
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:32,640
Speaker 11: And then I joined this other group, Rory Storm and

1646
01:25:32,680 --> 01:25:36,720
Speaker 11: the Hurricanes, and we got this three month gig in

1647
01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:40,799
Speaker 11: a holiday camp in England. So I decided I'm leaving

1648
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:46,800
Speaker 11: the factory. I was just twenty ish and all of

1649
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 11: my family came to our house to tell me it's

1650
01:25:51,439 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 11: all right as a hobby son. But they wanted me

1651
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 11: to keep that job, you know, and I said, no, no,

1652
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 11: I'm going, And you know that's why I changed my name.

1653
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 5: Also, we went to this gig three months. We were

1654
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:08,040
Speaker 5: going to be there in the Rock and Calypso ballroom.

1655
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 11: And h I changed my name fully to Ringo then,

1656
01:26:13,600 --> 01:26:18,080
Speaker 11: because in Liverpool, if you do something, you know, if

1657
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 11: you're limping, that you'd probably be called limpy. But I

1658
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 11: I started wearing rings that sort of a take on

1659
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 11: my mom.

1660
01:26:26,560 --> 01:26:28,920
Speaker 5: She loved flashy stuff.

1661
01:26:29,800 --> 01:26:33,800
Speaker 11: And so some people were starting to say, hey rings,

1662
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 11: what's going on?

1663
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,640
Speaker 5: You know, like gang members, we would be hey rings.

1664
01:26:38,240 --> 01:26:44,120
Speaker 11: And and we got to Buttland's holiday camp and we

1665
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:48,360
Speaker 11: all changed our name. Of the guitars called himself Tyle Brian.

1666
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,320
Speaker 11: Johnny guitar was great and.

1667
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:54,479
Speaker 2: The name was Johnny Guitar. His name I assume he

1668
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: played guitar.

1669
01:26:55,680 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 11: Called him Johnny Guitar because he changed his name of that.

1670
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:03,240
Speaker 11: Really his name was Johnny, but it's you know, it

1671
01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 11: was another name, family name. And uh, I put like

1672
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 11: Ringo Stocky. I thought that Stocky doesn't look you know,

1673
01:27:13,320 --> 01:27:16,080
Speaker 11: didn't look right, so I put Ringo star.

1674
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:17,960
Speaker 2: Did you two rs the first time?

1675
01:27:18,320 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1676
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 11: Two rs to make it star? And uh and it's

1677
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:26,080
Speaker 11: been that ever since. Off of the family who called

1678
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:27,760
Speaker 11: me dad or granddad.

1679
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,360
Speaker 2: I've got two final questions for you.

1680
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:34,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you made the record and it was complete

1681
01:27:34,160 --> 01:27:36,320
Speaker 3: and you're able to hear it all back, did you

1682
01:27:36,439 --> 01:27:39,560
Speaker 3: like and do you like to listen to your own projects?

1683
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,240
Speaker 3: And what did you think about this one when it

1684
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 3: was all the way done? Your own thoughts of your own.

1685
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:46,000
Speaker 11: Project when it was finished. Yeah, I thought it was great. No,

1686
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:50,720
Speaker 11: I really loved it myself, and it was very to me.

1687
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,639
Speaker 5: I like to be. The vocal was great, as I said,

1688
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:55,080
Speaker 5: it was it.

1689
01:27:55,600 --> 01:28:00,120
Speaker 11: They were all in my key and it's like in

1690
01:28:00,120 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 11: away though you know, we did never live together.

1691
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:06,080
Speaker 5: It was put together by a man who knew me.

1692
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,120
Speaker 11: And and I'm tired of thank you.

1693
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 3: My final question something again we alluded to earlier was

1694
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 3: playing in the clubs and a lot of artists miss

1695
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 3: out on that now and they kind of get famous

1696
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:22,840
Speaker 3: before they're ready.

1697
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I think they.

1698
01:28:24,320 --> 01:28:26,960
Speaker 11: You know, they have a hit in January, like those

1699
01:28:27,040 --> 01:28:30,040
Speaker 11: TV shows for the singing the singer who wins has

1700
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:34,040
Speaker 11: a number one in January, and you don't hear from

1701
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 11: him after May.

1702
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 10: It's all over and they're not really able to they

1703
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:38,920
Speaker 10: don't know how to deal.

1704
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:41,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're not able to develop even as a performer,

1705
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,880
Speaker 3: right because they don't do the clubs.

1706
01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:43,559
Speaker 2: They're on clubs.

1707
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:45,920
Speaker 3: They got so famous so fast, you know, the kind

1708
01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 3: of the legendary story about you guys is you'd be

1709
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:48,960
Speaker 3: in a club in Germany and play for like six

1710
01:28:49,000 --> 01:28:49,559
Speaker 3: hours a night.

1711
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 5: Is that accurate to two bands?

1712
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:52,120
Speaker 2: Okay?

1713
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:54,840
Speaker 11: When I was there with Rory and the Beatles were there,

1714
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:57,920
Speaker 11: when we were the two bands, we're on sept for

1715
01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:00,439
Speaker 11: clubs at the beginning. Then cushed me to go on

1716
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:04,200
Speaker 11: the clubs for us both on one club and we

1717
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,439
Speaker 11: would battle each other for the audience, you know what

1718
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:12,200
Speaker 11: I mean. It would stomp in and stuff. But at

1719
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 11: weekends we did twelve hours between us. And you know,

1720
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,200
Speaker 11: I love it because we're in our book ten thousand hours,

1721
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,240
Speaker 11: and they actually mentioned we actually put in our ten

1722
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:23,760
Speaker 11: thousand Now.

1723
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:25,559
Speaker 3: I think that's where I first knew of the story

1724
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:28,920
Speaker 3: reading that book. You'd put in that whole time play.

1725
01:29:29,240 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 11: We'd play anywhere and Saturday night in Liverpool whatever the

1726
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 11: gig was one of the clubs that have an all

1727
01:29:35,680 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 11: night and they were so cheap they do only ever

1728
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:45,680
Speaker 11: hire a trio. The custom less and or all of

1729
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 11: us would go to these clubs and just play all night.

1730
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 11: Any chance we had to play, we would play.

1731
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 2: Well.

1732
01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,160
Speaker 3: Now you can put your iPhone on a little stand

1733
01:29:54,160 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 3: and read the lyrics you didn't have iPhones back then,

1734
01:29:56,280 --> 01:29:58,000
Speaker 3: you had to remember or guests.

1735
01:29:58,040 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 11: Well, yeah, now I can't work without my little lyrics sheets.

1736
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,759
Speaker 5: It's like, oh it is, well, I love the album.

1737
01:30:07,960 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 5: Oh great, Well it's great being good talk, can't you?

1738
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:11,960
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1739
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, really easy for thanks, really easy to talk to

1740
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 3: you too.

1741
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:14,679
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1742
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Speaker 3: You never know whenever Ringo star is coming over? Yeah

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01:30:19,400 --> 01:30:21,560
Speaker 3: you know, well, and did sit on that star? And

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01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:22,559
Speaker 3: now I know they.

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Speaker 5: Are more Yeah.

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Speaker 11: Well maybe because I've told these same stories since I've

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01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 11: been here nineteen times?

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01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:33,400
Speaker 2: What story did what story of what story did you

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01:30:33,439 --> 01:30:33,840
Speaker 2: tell here?

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01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 5: That?

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01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:34,840
Speaker 2: Sorry?

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01:30:34,880 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 5: I told that story.

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01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 2: Well, no, it's a good one.

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01:30:37,200 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 6: Yeah.

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01:30:37,560 --> 01:30:39,599
Speaker 2: Anybody ask you about your grandparents the whole time? No,

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01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 2: only you, That's all I want.

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01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:43,680
Speaker 5: This has been the best.

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01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 2: You're saying that ever? No, I mean look best ever.

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01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:49,599
Speaker 3: Don't say ever, because then I know you're lying.

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Speaker 6: If you were.

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Speaker 2: Safe and nearly the best, I'll take it. Ringo, It's

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Speaker 2: been a pleasure. Thank you very much. The records awesome.

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Speaker 3: There you have a top ten Bobbycast of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: If there's anyone you'd like us to have on an

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Speaker 3: upcoming episode of the Bobbycast, send us a DM on

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Speaker 3: Instagram at the Bobbycast and you can follow us on

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01:31:11,680 --> 01:31:14,479
Speaker 3: TikTok at the Bobby Cast. And you know, we're all up.

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Speaker 3: We hope you guys enjoyed this. We have some really

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Speaker 3: great ones coming.

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Speaker 2: Up and have a happy new year.

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Speaker 8: There you go.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, See you guys at twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.