WEBVTT - The Rocky Horror Picture Show Podcast Episode

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and Jerry's here too, and it's a super awesome,

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<v Speaker 2>amazing last episode of the year episode. I can't think

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<v Speaker 2>of one that could have been better than this chalk.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess people, it's a spoiler of what the show

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<v Speaker 1>is about already, because you've seen the title as a listener, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But this is courtesy of the Stuff you Should Know Army.

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<v Speaker 1>Came straight from them. We got emails that said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>the Stuff you should Army is chattering about Rocky Horror

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<v Speaker 1>Picture show they have been shivering with and tsut patient.

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<v Speaker 2>Very nice.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree, and I'm super excited for this episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Our year is winding down. Yeah, just so you know

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<v Speaker 1>in real time, you know, Josh and I always take

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<v Speaker 1>has gotten bigger and bigger every year, and this year,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna say how long we have off from recording,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's a nice, unprecedented break to chunk of change

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<v Speaker 1>and where we love doing the show. But that Christmas

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<v Speaker 1>December downtime is a wonderful thing for us.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We work hard through throughout the year, so hard,

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<v Speaker 2>so you better treat us right. So let's go start

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<v Speaker 2>talking about Rocky Horror Picture Show. Quick question, Are you

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<v Speaker 2>a virgin?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So I guess I should quickly go over we

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<v Speaker 1>should both kind of go over our history with this.

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<v Speaker 1>I have never been to a live in the movie

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<v Speaker 1>theater Rocky Horror Picture Show showing, which includes, as you

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<v Speaker 1>will see, the shadow cast, all the fun of the

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<v Speaker 1>audience participation. I have seen it. I remember when it

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<v Speaker 1>finally came to home video. It took a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like one of those. It was just always

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<v Speaker 1>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I remember movies like that. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So there was like a lot of fanfare when

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<v Speaker 1>Rocky Horror finally came to home video, and I really

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<v Speaker 1>got into it for a while there, watching it with

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<v Speaker 1>friends and watching it at home. To the tune of

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<v Speaker 1>seeing it. I've probably seen the movie at home probably

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<v Speaker 1>six or eight times. Oh okay, yeah, so I am

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<v Speaker 1>technically a virgin, but I'm gonna go now, like I

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<v Speaker 1>have to go now because Atlanta has one of the

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<v Speaker 1>great sort of legendary theaters that still do this twice

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<v Speaker 1>a month.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think the group that puts on the shadow

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<v Speaker 2>cast is called Lips Down on Dixie the Plaza Theater. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it sounds like a good time for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your deal?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not ever been either, and I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't a virgin. I thought if you had seen

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<v Speaker 2>the movie, you were not a virgin. No, you're right

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<v Speaker 2>if you have to go to a live screening of

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<v Speaker 2>it to not be a virgin any longer. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen it a bunch of times too. I love

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<v Speaker 2>the soundtrack. Soundtrack is really good. To clean the house too.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say, like you will be dancing with

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<v Speaker 2>your swiffer very quickly. But yeah, it's a great movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I watched it again this morning. It was really bizarre

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<v Speaker 2>to watch it in the morning. Yeah, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not it just doesn't jibe with that.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched quite a bit of it today too, not

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<v Speaker 1>all of it, but I kind of wanted to make

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<v Speaker 1>sure I saw the musical numbers because I just love those.

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<v Speaker 1>And I also, as many times as I've seen it,

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<v Speaker 1>it's been a long long time, so I couldn't exactly

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<v Speaker 1>remember the third act as well. I think it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of those films that the first two acts are a

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<v Speaker 1>little more famous than the third act. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the time warp is the second number, well third,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess if you if you count the beginning song,

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<v Speaker 1>which we're going to talk about the second but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to, you know, and then you know Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Curry's legendary sweet transvestite song and that entrance in that performance.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh just man believably granted. Yeah, come up.

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<v Speaker 1>To the lab, see what's on a slab?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like he's just he couldn't have been more perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>And as we'll see in a second He was also

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<v Speaker 2>not an obvious choice to cast as doctor Frankenferter as

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<v Speaker 2>the character he played. So let's get into this. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>For people who've never seen a Rocky Horror picture show,

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<v Speaker 2>it is a bizarre musical campfest that Dave, who helps

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<v Speaker 2>us out with this one, describes as a send up,

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<v Speaker 2>which I know intuitively what send up means, but I've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen like an actual definition of it. Oh yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I think it's mad. I made up my own

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<v Speaker 2>if if you don't mind me sharing it. Affectionate mockery.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like an affectionate homage slash mockery, I think, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a send up of fifties sci fi and

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<v Speaker 2>horror movies, like b movies, things like Forbidden Planet, The

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<v Speaker 2>Day of the Earth Stood Still, all of the Cannon

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<v Speaker 2>of ed Wood, all that stuff, and it's so it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a tribute to that. But it's also, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, super camp and it's definitely its own thing,

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<v Speaker 2>so much so that it was made in nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five and it does not seem like something from the past.

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<v Speaker 2>It has a timeless quality to it. Weirdly enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I would agree with that. It's sort of in

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of same weird rock opera thing as Tommy,

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<v Speaker 1>where when you look at Tommy it looks sort of

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<v Speaker 1>dated in old fashioned, but also also somehow still sort

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<v Speaker 1>of of its time and futuristic or of today's time imputuristic, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Not at all anywhere near as serious or not serious

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<v Speaker 2>at all like Tommy took Itself. It's not serious. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just neat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I guess Tommy took itself fairly seriously.

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<v Speaker 2>So the plot, if we can talk about the plot, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean I don't necessarily think we should give

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<v Speaker 1>everything away, definitely, I think we can nutshell it. But

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<v Speaker 1>the idea is that there are these two characters, Brad

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<v Speaker 1>and Janet, who are very straight laced, sort of maybe rubes,

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<v Speaker 1>but sort of two young, naive characters that had been

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<v Speaker 1>to a wedding and are talking about getting married themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>And they go on a little road trip and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very sort of classic trophy thing, you know. The

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<v Speaker 1>car gets a flat and the only thing around is

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<v Speaker 1>this creepy castle in the rain, and they knock on

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<v Speaker 1>the door and all sorts of crazy, funny, fun sexual hijinks,

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<v Speaker 1>sci fi hijinks ensue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they start out as just as whitebread as

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<v Speaker 2>you can be, and then by the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>movie they're like they're they're both wearing garter belts and

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<v Speaker 2>stockings and bikini briefs and courses. Yeah, like they've just

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<v Speaker 2>gone through the sexual transformation. But also, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>think a life transformation, I guess, and I want to

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<v Speaker 2>say also, there's plenty of analysis and like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>writing about subtexts and all that stuff. This has always

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<v Speaker 2>struck me as one of those movies that, like, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not meant for that you're not supposed to like

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<v Speaker 2>try to look too deep into it. You're just supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to enjoy it on its face.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally agree. So again not to give too much

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<v Speaker 1>away if you haven't seen it, but the head of

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<v Speaker 1>this castle is doctor Frank n Furd, who is the

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<v Speaker 1>Tim Curry character who in that great song Sweet Transvestite.

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<v Speaker 1>The lyrics are sweet Transvestite from Transsexual Transylvania, as we

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<v Speaker 1>learn in the film, and it's just sort of goofy

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<v Speaker 1>that they through the sci fi element in there, which

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<v Speaker 1>is really fun. But Transsexual is the home planet of

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<v Speaker 1>franken Furter and Transylvania is the galaxy, right, and so

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<v Speaker 1>he's sort of Frankenstein, this uberminch on the slab, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of the plot. I mean, all kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>seductions take place over the course of the movie at

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<v Speaker 1>various times, different characters seducing one another. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of gender fluidity and sort of it was a movie

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<v Speaker 1>ahead of its time in a lot of ways in

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<v Speaker 1>that respect, and since it has become obviously a huge

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<v Speaker 1>movie in the LGTBQ community.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. So that's the movie. And it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually start out a movie. It started out a stage

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<v Speaker 2>play in London actually. So the guy who plays Riffraff

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<v Speaker 2>is named Richard O'Brien. Riffraff is doctor Frankenferter's like iglor

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<v Speaker 2>like assistant. He has a huge hunchback and like stringy

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<v Speaker 2>hair and like dark circles under his eyes.

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<v Speaker 1>And he was thirty one years old by the way

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<v Speaker 1>when this got kicked off. Oh really, he always just

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<v Speaker 1>struck me as looking super old. But then when I

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<v Speaker 1>kind of, you know, look today with more of a

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<v Speaker 1>critical eyes, like he doesn't look old old, but the

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<v Speaker 1>circles under his eyes, it kind of made him up

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<v Speaker 1>to look a little creepier, but I never pictured that

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<v Speaker 1>has been in his early thirties.

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<v Speaker 2>No, And actually, if you see later interview with them,

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<v Speaker 2>he stayed basically the same, ye, looking the same from

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<v Speaker 2>that point on, not dark circles under his eyes, but

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't seem to age at all. Ye. That guy

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<v Speaker 2>was named Richard or is named Richard O'Brien. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the creator of the whole thing and played a pretty

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<v Speaker 2>big role in the movie as well. And I believe

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<v Speaker 2>he played riff raff in the stage production too, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he was a New Zealander who moved to

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<v Speaker 1>London in the seventies in the early seventies, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have great prospects for jobs. He was a stunt

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<v Speaker 1>man for a little while. He got some gigs acting

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<v Speaker 1>on stage, but not a lot of them, and was

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<v Speaker 1>basically bored. Like he's been on record saying like this

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of like me doing the crossword, was me

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<v Speaker 1>writing these songs. He's sort of kind of fun and

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<v Speaker 1>funny songs about those sci fi b movies that he

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<v Speaker 1>loved from the nineteen fifties.

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<v Speaker 2>This was before Netflix, by the way, This before Netflix.

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<v Speaker 2>So the whole thing that kick this off was really

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<v Speaker 2>auspicious there. There he was friends with some people who

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<v Speaker 2>were musicians and there was a EMI party, the record

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<v Speaker 2>label had a big party, and his musician friends said, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>do you want to record a song to play at

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<v Speaker 2>this EMI party. This is like a truck driver stuntman

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<v Speaker 2>actor that they're asking, but I guess he had developed

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<v Speaker 2>enough of a reputation for writing cool songs that they

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<v Speaker 2>asked him, and he wrote science Fiction Double Feature, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the song that sung during the opening credits of

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<v Speaker 2>the movie Rocky Horror Picture Show, where, even if you

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<v Speaker 2>haven't seen the movie, I'm sure you're familiar with the

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<v Speaker 2>iconic disembodied bright red lips against white teeth on a

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<v Speaker 2>black background that comes from the intro of the movie.

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<v Speaker 2>And when he played this song, I guess he got

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<v Speaker 2>enough of a response to it that he decided to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of take that song and some of his other

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<v Speaker 2>songs and cobble him together into like a loose plot

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<v Speaker 2>that really never got more fleshed out, and ended up

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<v Speaker 2>writing a stage play out of the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was called The Rocky Horror Show after I

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<v Speaker 1>think the working title was They came is it Denton

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<v Speaker 1>High or Denton High School?

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<v Speaker 2>Denton High?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, they came from Denton High, which I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>idea was that Brad and Janet were from Denton because

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<v Speaker 1>the church at the beginning is Denton Episcopalian Church. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so they changed the title. I think his friend was

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<v Speaker 1>stage director. He showed it to Jim Scharman said, they

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<v Speaker 1>came from Denton High is not a great title. And

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<v Speaker 1>the name of the Frankenstein, like you know, model with

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<v Speaker 1>perfect abs that Frankenfurter has built, is named Rocky Horror.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's got a ring to it. Let's call it

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<v Speaker 1>the Rocky Horror Show.

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<v Speaker 2>And they did. Apparently it was just in time for previews,

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<v Speaker 2>so they were able to change the name at the

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<v Speaker 2>last minute. And that was man, that was a close

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<v Speaker 2>call if you really stop and think about it. So

0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Jim Sharmon and Richard O'Brien managed to talk their way

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<v Speaker 2>into a space above the Royal Court Theater in London,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Royal Court Theater was like a serious, legitimate playhouse,

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<v Speaker 2>and above it was an experimental theater that I think

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<v Speaker 2>sat sixty three or sixty eight people, and they started

0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:34.640
<v Speaker 2>performing this thing, and within weeks it was like the

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<v Speaker 2>thing to see in London. They sold out and again

0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:40.760
<v Speaker 2>it's not that tough to sell out sixty three or

0:13:40.800 --> 0:13:43.679
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight seats. It was more like the buzz around.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just so just so gripping, and it happened

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<v Speaker 2>so quickly that it just took off like a rocket

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<v Speaker 2>in very short order. They started touring. They sent a

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<v Speaker 2>touring company to cities all over Europe showing people this thing,

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody was going nuts for it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and in another turn of fate, I guess you

0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.760
<v Speaker 1>could say Tim Curry was an actor at the Royal

0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Court Theater, obviously not some you know, huge name at

0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.840
<v Speaker 1>the time, and was cast because of that association with

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<v Speaker 1>the Royal Court as doctor Frank Enfurd, who was originally

0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:22.160
<v Speaker 1>going to he was going to play at German because

0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Frank and Furter obviously is a German German word. But

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<v Speaker 1>I think in the interview he talked about it and

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<v Speaker 1>said that he was experimenting around with accents and he

0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.240
<v Speaker 1>found this the posh British thing really worked and said

0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:37.880
<v Speaker 1>the character should sound like the Queen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw this, and was originally also supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>more of a classic mad scientist, white lab coat kind

0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.720
<v Speaker 1>of doctor. And in another wonderful twist of fate, they

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<v Speaker 1>hired a woman named Sue Blaine to do the costumes

0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:57.120
<v Speaker 1>because you know, they needed to bring this They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of money at first. We'll talk about

0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.560
<v Speaker 1>the movie budget too, but Sue Blaine basically said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I got almost nothing and came up with these ideas

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<v Speaker 1>for the riped fishnet hose. And I think she had

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<v Speaker 1>worked with Tim Curry before on a play in Scotland

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<v Speaker 1>where he played a character in drag and she was like,

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<v Speaker 1>you look good in heels and a corset. So if

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<v Speaker 1>it hadn't have been for all those sort of weird

0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:25.520
<v Speaker 1>things coming together, it might have been a German mad

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<v Speaker 1>scientist and a white lab coat, which is really hard

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine. Once you know, Frankenfurter, this movie wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't be talking about it right now.

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<v Speaker 2>They may have been a white lab coat. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>of it. No, really, I don't. I think Tim Curry's

0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:46.800
<v Speaker 2>character was such a huge part of the popularity of

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<v Speaker 2>it that, yeah, it just wouldn't have been the same.

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<v Speaker 2>And by the way, Sue Blaine's costuming budget for the

0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:57.440
<v Speaker 2>original stage version was four hundred dollars. Yeah, well is

0:15:57.520 --> 0:16:03.600
<v Speaker 2>peanuts even back in nineteen seventy three dollars let's say pounds.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, so maybe a few extra shekels.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's another thing too. We should say there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of made up information about Rocky Horror and its

0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.320
<v Speaker 2>origins and like the real story of it. So it's

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<v Speaker 2>all fun, but you have to like really kind of

0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:21.440
<v Speaker 2>wagh through it, and if something sounds like no way,

0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:24.960
<v Speaker 2>you may want to stop and say, probably no way.

0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.360
<v Speaker 2>But it's still fun. So we'll mention things here there.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think we should kind of give like a

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<v Speaker 2>little caveat to them like that, how about that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And this is one of those fan centric pieces

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<v Speaker 1>of entertainment where I'm sure there are people out there

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<v Speaker 1>that would be fact checking us, right, that's the kindest

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<v Speaker 1>way to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm literally sweating because I'm so nervous about that.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should take a break, and then very

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<v Speaker 1>quickly when we come back, I will retell my Tim

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<v Speaker 1>Curry story from Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 2>So softly, jawsh.

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<v Speaker 1>Soft, all right, we're back. No, I've said this before,

0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.040
<v Speaker 1>but I think I can't not say it again. I

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<v Speaker 1>actually had two rocky horror sort of run ends in

0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.679
<v Speaker 1>LA when I lived there, and when I got my

0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.600
<v Speaker 1>cat Lauran, who was dearly departed. Found Lauran in a

0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.760
<v Speaker 1>dumpster behind my apartment, took him in, took him to

0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.800
<v Speaker 1>the vet, and as I was checking out at my vet,

0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.520
<v Speaker 1>I look over and there's Tim Curry. And when I

0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:49.320
<v Speaker 1>say look over, he was like two feet from me.

0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, was he staring at you?

0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.760
<v Speaker 1>He don't know if he was or not. He was

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<v Speaker 1>shorter than I thought, which was kind of surprising because

0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:59.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. This character just seems so larger than life.

0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Well he was where like six inch platform heels.

0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that as well. But when Tim Curry is like,

0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:06.600
<v Speaker 1>I think he's listed at five to nine, and that's

0:18:06.640 --> 0:18:08.919
<v Speaker 1>usually fudging a little bit. Like he was shorter than

0:18:08.960 --> 0:18:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I was. And I went to write a check to

0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.560
<v Speaker 1>pay for it, and I was holding the roan and

0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:18.240
<v Speaker 1>I said, would you mind holding my kitten? And he

0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:21.720
<v Speaker 1>was like absolutely. And Lauran was really funny looking. He

0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:26.399
<v Speaker 1>had these huge ears. He had a gray back and

0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.520
<v Speaker 1>the rest of them was black and he eventually grew

0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.200
<v Speaker 1>in all black hair. I have no idea. It was

0:18:31.240 --> 0:18:34.119
<v Speaker 1>kind of a silver back, but he picked him up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why LA's so great. Man. The weirdest things happen

0:18:37.280 --> 0:18:41.080
<v Speaker 1>in the most unlikely places. He stared at him and said, Lauran,

0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.560
<v Speaker 1>you have very dramatic ears. And he went and look

0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:49.159
<v Speaker 1>at your back. You look like a baboon. And he

0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.239
<v Speaker 1>held Lauren while I wrote the check and I'd like

0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:52.639
<v Speaker 1>skipped out of there. It was like one of the

0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:54.600
<v Speaker 1>great days. So that's why I've.

0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Never heard that her story. Man, I don't really, I

0:18:56.119 --> 0:18:57.280
<v Speaker 2>don't know if you've told it before.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I don't see how I couldn't have held onto

0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that one for fifteen years, Like.

0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I really, it rings zero bells whatsoever. And there's enough

0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:10.160
<v Speaker 2>dimentions to it that something should be like, oh, yeah,

0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:13.000
<v Speaker 2>I've heard that one. This story has not been told before,

0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:14.359
<v Speaker 2>and it is a fantastic story.

0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.040
<v Speaker 1>All right, Well there's my Tim Curry story.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the other rocky horror running you had?

0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.520
<v Speaker 1>Well, I know I've talked about that. I was friends

0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.520
<v Speaker 1>with meat Loaf's daughter for a little while in la.

0:19:25.280 --> 0:19:32.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, sweet Potato, I can't believe you're laughing like

0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.399
<v Speaker 2>that at that one. That's funny.

0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.679
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a good one. Yeah. I was sort of

0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:40.800
<v Speaker 1>friends with her and her boyfriend for a very short

0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:43.280
<v Speaker 1>time in LA. That's just a weird crossover where my

0:19:43.359 --> 0:19:47.480
<v Speaker 1>friend's girlfriend worked for Meat's ex wife and he did

0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:48.879
<v Speaker 1>want to be called Meat by the way. But I

0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:50.600
<v Speaker 1>never met him. But I hung out at his house

0:19:50.640 --> 0:19:54.320
<v Speaker 1>a few times and he had a TV that came

0:19:54.359 --> 0:19:56.640
<v Speaker 1>out of a case at the foot of his bed. Oh,

0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I've seen that before via remote control, you know. I

0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:01.840
<v Speaker 1>was pretty astounded at the time.

0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.040
<v Speaker 2>I should say, I've never seen it in person. I've

0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:05.480
<v Speaker 2>seen it like on TV.

0:20:05.920 --> 0:20:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It was cool though, walking around his house like

0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.760
<v Speaker 1>rock memorabilia and all kinds of stuff. I wanted to

0:20:11.760 --> 0:20:12.960
<v Speaker 1>meet him, but never got a chance.

0:20:13.600 --> 0:20:15.359
<v Speaker 2>I like the Tim Curry story better.

0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:16.520
<v Speaker 1>It's better, for sure.

0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.280
<v Speaker 2>So where do we leave off. Oh, the stage play

0:20:20.440 --> 0:20:21.240
<v Speaker 2>is on Fire.

0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:24.200
<v Speaker 1>It's on Fire, and they toured it and Tim Curry

0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.639
<v Speaker 1>played Frankenverter everywhere except Australia.

0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.679
<v Speaker 2>I think, oh, really, okay, So the original cast toward it.

0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:32.880
<v Speaker 2>They didn't have a traveling cast. That's amazing.

0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.439
<v Speaker 1>No, they were pretty as you'll see when they went

0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:37.000
<v Speaker 1>to make the movie. They were very loyal to that

0:20:37.040 --> 0:20:38.720
<v Speaker 1>original cast as much as they could be.

0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure. So by nineteen seventy four, they moved

0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:46.000
<v Speaker 2>it over to Los Angeles, and I guess then, yeah,

0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:48.200
<v Speaker 2>that makes a lot of sense. Most of the cast

0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:52.639
<v Speaker 2>went over to Los Angeles, and including Tim Curry, but

0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:55.440
<v Speaker 2>one of the people they added in Los Angeles was

0:20:55.520 --> 0:20:58.119
<v Speaker 2>meat Loaf. Yeah, and I never realized, but you know,

0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:01.439
<v Speaker 2>Meloaf is pretty famous. He was not famous. He was

0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:03.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe a rising star at the time, but he really

0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:07.119
<v Speaker 2>gained his fame after Rocky Horror. And this is a

0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:11.359
<v Speaker 2>really weird choice for him, but he did it and

0:21:11.400 --> 0:21:13.840
<v Speaker 2>he's stuck to it, and it was a really good

0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:17.800
<v Speaker 2>move too, because he's got this whole other legend that,

0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:21.320
<v Speaker 2>like his actual other fan base probably couldn't care less

0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.200
<v Speaker 2>about mm hm. And then he has, like the Rocky

0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:27.159
<v Speaker 2>Horror fans, two separate fan bases because he made this

0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.440
<v Speaker 2>very smart choice back in nineteen seventy four.

0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:31.760
<v Speaker 1>I would argue three fan bases, because he's got a

0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:33.760
<v Speaker 1>bunch of like creepy guys who only know him as

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:34.680
<v Speaker 1>the guy from Fight Club.

0:21:35.960 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Robert Paulson. Yeah, we have a friend who

0:21:40.880 --> 0:21:43.879
<v Speaker 2>listens with that name. I know, And he's heard it

0:21:43.920 --> 0:21:47.159
<v Speaker 2>all yeah, I know, I'm not gonna say it again.

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 1>All right. So the they go to La Meat comes

0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:55.760
<v Speaker 1>on board. It's a big hit everywhere they go. So

0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.879
<v Speaker 1>of course the movie industry comes sticking their nose into it,

0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:00.040
<v Speaker 1>and they say, well, why don't you make it this

0:22:00.119 --> 0:22:03.359
<v Speaker 1>into a film? And so the Rocky Horror Show became

0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 1>the Rocky Horror Picture Show. And they did not have

0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:08.639
<v Speaker 1>a lot of money for a budget either. But the

0:22:08.680 --> 0:22:10.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of the cool part of the story is they

0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:14.640
<v Speaker 1>were offered more budget if they would put some sort

0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of bigger rock and roll stars of the time in

0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the major roles, and O'Brien said, no, I want to

0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:25.720
<v Speaker 1>keep everybody like basically the same, and I'll do it

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:27.720
<v Speaker 1>for less money. And that's exactly what they did.

0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, about one and a quarter million. I also saw

0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:36.919
<v Speaker 2>one point four million. And even today, this was Fox,

0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:40.480
<v Speaker 2>twentieth century Fox. That would be like twentieth century Fox

0:22:40.520 --> 0:22:42.719
<v Speaker 2>giving somebody six and a half million dollars to make

0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:46.600
<v Speaker 2>a movie today, like it was a shoestring budget. I

0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:49.879
<v Speaker 2>mean so shoe string and poor Sue Blaine, she had

0:22:49.880 --> 0:22:53.159
<v Speaker 2>a four hundred dollars budget for the stage play Originally

0:22:53.520 --> 0:22:56.639
<v Speaker 2>she had like a fifteen sixteen hundred dollars budget for

0:22:56.720 --> 0:22:57.200
<v Speaker 2>the movie.

0:22:57.520 --> 0:22:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Well used the same costume, so she had a leg

0:22:59.480 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 1>up there.

0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but still you're not supposed to have to recycle

0:23:02.880 --> 0:23:05.080
<v Speaker 2>the stage plays costumes for the movie, you know.

0:23:05.320 --> 0:23:08.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, So they have their meager budget, they

0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:11.920
<v Speaker 1>make the film. It's released in September nineteen seventy five

0:23:12.160 --> 0:23:16.600
<v Speaker 1>as in a limited release in some test markets. Reviews

0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:21.000
<v Speaker 1>weren't great. It is a very weird I mean, it's amazing,

0:23:21.040 --> 0:23:24.440
<v Speaker 1>but it's a very weird movie that critics I could

0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.200
<v Speaker 1>see not getting on board with right away before there's

0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:32.240
<v Speaker 1>like a cult established around it. But then it's remarkable.

0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:35.639
<v Speaker 1>It never got a nationwide release, but even Roger Ebertt

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.440
<v Speaker 1>back then gave it a lukewarm review but said that

0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:41.040
<v Speaker 1>it belongs on a stage with the performers and audience

0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:44.280
<v Speaker 1>joining in and a collective send up. Because word had

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.320
<v Speaker 1>trickled out that this was starting a little bit here

0:23:47.359 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 1>and there.

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:49.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know if he was aware of that

0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.159
<v Speaker 2>or not, but or if he was just pressing in

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:54.560
<v Speaker 2>about it. But yeah, I think by nineteen seventy six

0:23:55.640 --> 0:24:00.200
<v Speaker 2>April first, nineteen seventy six. The tradition of showing Rocky

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:05.080
<v Speaker 2>Horror Picture Show at midnight started in Greenwich Village, actually

0:24:05.119 --> 0:24:09.320
<v Speaker 2>at the Waverley Theater. And this, this is the thing

0:24:09.320 --> 0:24:12.320
<v Speaker 2>about Rocky Horror Picture Show. Up to this point, we've

0:24:12.359 --> 0:24:15.200
<v Speaker 2>been talking about a stage play, a movie, and it's

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 2>been following a pretty standard trajectory. The movie was just

0:24:20.400 --> 0:24:23.960
<v Speaker 2>panned and it got shelved, but they were still showing

0:24:23.960 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 2>it here there because it was weird enough that Greenwich

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Village would have gone crazy for it. Where Rocky Horror

0:24:30.440 --> 0:24:34.480
<v Speaker 2>Picture Show differs is what happens at the midnight showings,

0:24:34.800 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 2>and that is the audience participation that Roger Ebert said

0:24:39.440 --> 0:24:43.520
<v Speaker 2>would really kind of make the movie better. And it

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 2>just it's what makes Rocky Horror Picture Show Rocky Horror

0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Picture Show, or at the very least, it's what has

0:24:48.560 --> 0:24:50.960
<v Speaker 2>made it continue on all these years.

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, I mean, I think it's grossed over

0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:58.880
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and twenty million dollars now total, Yeah, over

0:24:59.000 --> 0:25:01.120
<v Speaker 1>the years. And this is a movie that did never

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:04.040
<v Speaker 1>get a nationwide release, which is remarkable.

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:07.520
<v Speaker 2>And I think it's also the longest running theatrical film

0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:08.920
<v Speaker 2>release in movie history too.

0:25:09.359 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 1>It's gotta be.

0:25:10.680 --> 0:25:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's as far as I understand it is.

0:25:13.280 --> 0:25:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the Plaza does it still twice a month. They're

0:25:16.359 --> 0:25:20.199
<v Speaker 1>doing it tomorrow, and I'm not gonna go tomorrow because

0:25:21.200 --> 0:25:24.760
<v Speaker 1>Emily's birthday parties tomorrow night. But I'm gonna I'm gonna

0:25:24.800 --> 0:25:29.000
<v Speaker 1>go soon. And they mercifully started at eleven o'clock because

0:25:29.000 --> 0:25:30.240
<v Speaker 1>when I was thinking about it, I was like, am

0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:35.280
<v Speaker 1>I really gonna go somewhere at midnight? Like listeners that

0:25:35.320 --> 0:25:39.320
<v Speaker 1>aren't fifty years old yet may not understand you don't

0:25:39.359 --> 0:25:42.320
<v Speaker 1>go somewhere at midnight anymore. When you're fifty years old.

0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:47.120
<v Speaker 2>You've been asleep for a couple of hours by then

0:25:46.920 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 2>on many nights that it's true, And like even the

0:25:49.840 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 2>thought of it makes me tired. It's like, I can't,

0:25:52.320 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>I can't do that.

0:25:53.760 --> 0:25:55.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pick out a nice time though, when my

0:25:55.800 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 1>daughter is like staying at my mom's and I'm gonna

0:25:57.320 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna make sure I do this. That's awesome because

0:25:59.520 --> 0:26:01.600
<v Speaker 1>I did watch a lot of the a lot of

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:05.560
<v Speaker 1>YouTube videos of the participation, and it just looks like

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>so much fun.

0:26:07.280 --> 0:26:10.520
<v Speaker 2>So what's interesting about this is that audience participation and

0:26:10.560 --> 0:26:13.680
<v Speaker 2>everything that kind of you that you would experience when

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:16.480
<v Speaker 2>you went to a Rocky Horror Picture Show live screening

0:26:16.560 --> 0:26:22.120
<v Speaker 2>today just kind of happened organically. Little bit by little bit,

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 2>people around the country and around the world started kind

0:26:25.600 --> 0:26:29.600
<v Speaker 2>of contributing, and those ideas would just spread and burgeon

0:26:29.680 --> 0:26:32.679
<v Speaker 2>and become part of the Rocky Horror Picture Show experience.

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:37.159
<v Speaker 2>And the whole thing started because the Waverly showed this

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:42.280
<v Speaker 2>this movie enough times and the manager would get the

0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:45.280
<v Speaker 2>crowd like ready for it by playing the soundtrack to

0:26:45.320 --> 0:26:49.159
<v Speaker 2>the stage show. So by the time people had come

0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:51.639
<v Speaker 2>a few times to see the movie, they had memorized

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 2>the lyrics generally because they're pretty catchy lyrics, and that

0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:01.240
<v Speaker 2>kind of created like this idea of people who really

0:27:01.320 --> 0:27:03.600
<v Speaker 2>kind of knew this movie and could sing along and

0:27:03.680 --> 0:27:06.879
<v Speaker 2>talk along and just they just kind of absorbed it

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:08.120
<v Speaker 2>into their cells.

0:27:08.400 --> 0:27:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so people are singing the song during the run

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:14.320
<v Speaker 1>up to the showing of the film. And by the way,

0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>big thanks to Dave got a lot of this stuff,

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 1>and we got a lot of our extra stuff from

0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 1>the official Rocky Horror Picture Show fansite Rocky Horror dot

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 1>com founded by Salpiro. Just a wealth of information and

0:27:27.760 --> 0:27:30.240
<v Speaker 1>a love letter to the film. It's a fun website,

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>but they're pre showing it. They're singing these songs. And then,

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>according to the legend, on Labor Day of nineteen seventy six,

0:27:37.040 --> 0:27:40.680
<v Speaker 1>Labor Day weekend, there was a Staten Island kindergarten teacher

0:27:40.760 --> 0:27:45.159
<v Speaker 1>named I guess it's Louis or Lewis Ferreese. And this

0:27:45.240 --> 0:27:48.200
<v Speaker 1>person was the first person, as far as the legend goes,

0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 1>to yell something back at the screen when something happened

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 1>on the screen, And that was when Susan Sarandon gets

0:27:56.040 --> 0:27:57.720
<v Speaker 1>out in the rain at the beginning of the film,

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.160
<v Speaker 1>puts a newspaper over her head to act as an umbrella,

0:28:01.600 --> 0:28:06.199
<v Speaker 1>and supposedly he yelled out by an umbrella, you cheap expletive,

0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:09.800
<v Speaker 1>and supposedly that started the callouts.

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you can actually if you're watching the movie,

0:28:13.320 --> 0:28:16.800
<v Speaker 2>you don't even have to have gone to a live showing.

0:28:18.000 --> 0:28:20.520
<v Speaker 2>You can pick out the exact moment. Like the people

0:28:20.560 --> 0:28:24.280
<v Speaker 2>who made this movie were knew enough to make a movie,

0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.960
<v Speaker 2>but they also didn't know enough to make a movie

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:30.919
<v Speaker 2>that like, you know, moved along really quickly. There's this

0:28:31.080 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 2>moment where you're watching Brad and Janet get out of

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the car and then walk around the car, just stuff

0:28:37.600 --> 0:28:40.760
<v Speaker 2>that an editor normally would cut out. And so I

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 2>just the fact that that was left in and triggered

0:28:44.040 --> 0:28:47.120
<v Speaker 2>that guy to say that it's almost like the movie

0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:51.120
<v Speaker 2>they encouraged it itself. I just think that's so fascinating.

0:28:51.360 --> 0:28:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it just definitely seems like a movie where just

0:28:54.520 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>fate had so many little hands in it, if you

0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>believe that kind of thing. So people started dressing up

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.240
<v Speaker 1>a little more and more, and this was mainly in

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the lead up to Halloween nineteen seventy six. Then Halloween

0:29:08.360 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>came and went and people were still dressing up, and

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>people started bringing props. I think the original prop was

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 1>they would tear up their programs to use this confetti

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:20.760
<v Speaker 1>in the wedding scene, and then they were like, why

0:29:20.800 --> 0:29:22.840
<v Speaker 1>don't we just bring rice? And then all of a

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>sudden they were bringing all kinds of props to use

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>during the film. So now you have people singing along,

0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:32.160
<v Speaker 1>you have people in costume, people shouting back at the

0:29:32.200 --> 0:29:36.440
<v Speaker 1>screen at various well timed points, and then you have

0:29:37.000 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 1>these props.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>Right, and all of this is happening mostly at the

0:29:41.240 --> 0:29:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Waverley Theater, but there's theaters in other cities that are

0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.479
<v Speaker 2>showing the movie as well, And so somebody from New

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 2>York might go see a midnight showing in San Francisco,

0:29:50.440 --> 0:29:52.480
<v Speaker 2>and all of a sudden, all the stuff that they've

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>been developing in New York, this one New Yorker is

0:29:55.120 --> 0:29:59.280
<v Speaker 2>just schooling the San Francisco Rocky horror fans. And it

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 2>just spread very quickly like that, I mean like really quickly,

0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>and again, like I was saying earlier, it just became

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:10.040
<v Speaker 2>this cohesive whole that now if you go to one

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.479
<v Speaker 2>of these shows, like, this is what's going to happen.

0:30:13.640 --> 0:30:16.680
<v Speaker 2>These are the props at these certain times, and all

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:18.760
<v Speaker 2>of it just happened organically.

0:30:18.640 --> 0:30:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which is really remarkable in a pre internet age. Yeah,

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>that this can spread through word of mouth like that strongly,

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.880
<v Speaker 1>But that's exactly what happened. And then so you've got

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:30.719
<v Speaker 1>all these people dressed up, you have people knowing all

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:35.040
<v Speaker 1>these songs and the movie by heart basically, and apparently

0:30:35.120 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 1>in the balconies of some of these theaters, people would

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.640
<v Speaker 1>sort of be acting out the movie and then they

0:30:41.640 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 1>were like, why don't we just go down front under

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 1>the screen, or a lot of times there's a stage

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>under the screen in front of the screen, and let's

0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>just do it down there. And then the literal re

0:30:52.120 --> 0:30:55.960
<v Speaker 1>enactment of the full film with full cast was born

0:30:56.720 --> 0:30:59.080
<v Speaker 1>via something that was dubbed shadow casting.

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, like beat for beat, there are people

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 2>acting out the movie in front of the movie screen.

0:31:06.520 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 2>That is like the just now of going to see

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Rocky Horror Picture Show in the theater. And apparently Michael

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Wolfson is credited for coming up with the Rocky Horror

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:21.800
<v Speaker 2>Review the first organized shadow cast back in nineteen seventy

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.040
<v Speaker 2>six seventy seven, and so he may have been the

0:31:25.040 --> 0:31:28.520
<v Speaker 2>person who thought of this at least putting it on

0:31:28.680 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 2>stage in front of the screen. But I mean it's

0:31:31.600 --> 0:31:34.160
<v Speaker 2>not just people going in their street clothes like acting

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:38.160
<v Speaker 2>this out. Like people are in full costume, full makeup.

0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:43.760
<v Speaker 2>I think that depending on riffraff changes costumes. So some

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>people come as igor riffraff, other people come as sci

0:31:47.720 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 2>fi riffraff, right, so they'll be like they'll alternate who's

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.320
<v Speaker 2>doing what depending on the scene. And by the way,

0:31:55.320 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 2>there is a sci fi riffraff statue in Richard O'Brien's

0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:05.840
<v Speaker 2>hometown in New Zealand. Oh wow, it's pretty cool looking too.

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious how the hierarchy of this because it's obviously

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:13.160
<v Speaker 1>all pre cast for the shadow cast. Like I don't

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:15.800
<v Speaker 1>think I could just show up as a virgin dressed

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>like Brad and be like I want to be Brad tonight.

0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. I have no idea. That's a

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 2>fascinating question, Like how how does that evolve? Like in

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:29.160
<v Speaker 2>a local, local place, like clearly in Atlanta it's organized.

0:32:29.200 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 2>There's like a group that does it. But I mean, like,

0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 2>how do you how do you join that group? I

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:35.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know.

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I guess you know, you get on their mailing list,

0:32:39.000 --> 0:32:41.280
<v Speaker 1>you should, you show up at their meetings, right, and

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 1>you start agitating for a role.

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Man, I foresee Chuck's future here. Oh that the good?

0:32:48.360 --> 0:32:51.720
<v Speaker 1>And of course it too. Uh So Richard O'Brien gets

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.840
<v Speaker 1>wind of this in the seventies, that what's going on,

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and it's just obviously as you would expect, completely knocked

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.600
<v Speaker 1>out and flattered. And it was like, you know, this

0:33:02.720 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>movie has it all. It's fun, it's campy. You got

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the audience up there, you've got the movie playing, you've

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:10.800
<v Speaker 1>got these people acting it out I'm three for three

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:14.760
<v Speaker 1>and not in a haughty way, but just super proud

0:33:14.800 --> 0:33:17.720
<v Speaker 1>I think. And then shadow casting spread. There's all kinds

0:33:17.720 --> 0:33:22.160
<v Speaker 1>of midnight movies now where people shadow cast, and one

0:33:22.200 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>that is a great one to check out if you

0:33:24.240 --> 0:33:27.720
<v Speaker 1>ever can, and very heavily influenced music wise too, I

0:33:27.720 --> 0:33:30.360
<v Speaker 1>think is Head Big and The Angry Inch.

0:33:31.240 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They also do Clue apparently, which is another Tim

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Curry great film.

0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh god, it's so good.

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:40.840
<v Speaker 2>So if you go, like we said, you are a virgin,

0:33:40.920 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 2>and at the very beginning of the show, somebody will

0:33:43.680 --> 0:33:47.120
<v Speaker 2>come out with a microphone and get everybody pumped up

0:33:47.160 --> 0:33:50.600
<v Speaker 2>and ask the virgins to all stand up, and once

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you stand up, people around you will probably put a

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:57.120
<v Speaker 2>V on your forehead with lipstick. That's the first thing

0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 2>that's probably going to happen to you. I love it.

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>That's the worst thing that's going to happen. Yeah, just

0:34:02.600 --> 0:34:04.280
<v Speaker 1>say yes is what I recommend.

0:34:04.560 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So, yeah, that's a great way to put it, Chuck.

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>The thing to remember throughout all this is Dave puts

0:34:12.000 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 2>it really really well. They're not trying to scare you away.

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.920
<v Speaker 2>They want you to come back again. This is just

0:34:18.040 --> 0:34:21.120
<v Speaker 2>part of like this ritual, this process that's developed over

0:34:21.160 --> 0:34:25.040
<v Speaker 2>the decades, and there's some things that you can expect

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.960
<v Speaker 2>and can prepare yourself ahead of time. There's tons of

0:34:28.960 --> 0:34:34.960
<v Speaker 2>off color jokes, mostly sex jokes. They're almost exclusively sex jokes,

0:34:35.719 --> 0:34:40.200
<v Speaker 2>sophomoor sex jokes. You can't expect to hear the movie.

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 2>You're not going to sit down and watch a movie.

0:34:43.239 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 2>That's not what you're going to do. It reminds me

0:34:45.760 --> 0:34:49.160
<v Speaker 2>of remember I can't remember what concert it was on

0:34:49.200 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 2>The Simpsons, but everybody else is standing up and auto

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>sitting down. You know the rocker bus driver, Oh yeah, yeah,

0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 2>and he goes sit down, sit down. You're ruining it

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:02.240
<v Speaker 2>for the rest of us. I can just imagine somebody

0:35:02.239 --> 0:35:04.800
<v Speaker 2>going to a midnight screening of Rocky Horror Picture Show

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 2>and just expecting to sit there and watch the movie.

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 2>You know.

0:35:08.120 --> 0:35:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, if you have hang ups and if

0:35:11.280 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you're maybe a little prude about things like this may

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>not be the experience for you because there will be

0:35:17.200 --> 0:35:21.240
<v Speaker 1>people in various states of undress, like you mentioned, tons

0:35:21.239 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 1>of body body sex jokes, and it's just a sort

0:35:24.760 --> 0:35:29.759
<v Speaker 1>of a raucous good time. But again, my recommendation this

0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:32.080
<v Speaker 1>is what I'm gonna do is just go and say

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:35.879
<v Speaker 1>yes to everything. If you're a virgin, they may drag

0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.879
<v Speaker 1>you up there and teach you the time warp during

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>that point in the movie. You might get sprayed when

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:45.080
<v Speaker 1>it's the rain. I mean, I think everyone kind of

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 1>gets sprayed when it rains.

0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:48.760
<v Speaker 2>I think they tend to aim for the virgins.

0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but just again, if you're not up for sort

0:35:52.440 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 1>of a fun, interactive multi media experience, then maybe just

0:35:58.200 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 1>don't go right.

0:35:59.680 --> 0:36:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and if you are a prude, this is your

0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:06.319
<v Speaker 2>big chance to break out of your shell. Yeah, totally, So, Chuck,

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.840
<v Speaker 2>I say we take another break and we'll come back

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:31.000
<v Speaker 2>with more on the Rocky Horror Picture Show stoft We Josh,

0:36:40.000 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 2>we should probably say we've been using some antiquated terms

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:47.600
<v Speaker 2>for transgender people, but it's because it's part of the movie. Yeah,

0:36:48.440 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 2>And I think the movie is so iconic and so

0:36:51.600 --> 0:36:56.040
<v Speaker 2>in favor of gender fluidity. And this is decades before

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:59.480
<v Speaker 2>where we are today, when gender fluidity has really broken out,

0:36:59.520 --> 0:37:02.719
<v Speaker 2>and I mean it's basically become mainstream in a lot

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 2>of ways. This is forty five, almost fifty years before, right, Yeah,

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:16.200
<v Speaker 2>So I think that the popularity and the iconicness of

0:37:16.280 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 2>the movie has actually kind of given it a pass

0:37:21.120 --> 0:37:25.600
<v Speaker 2>that no one's offended by the use of transvestite or

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>transsexual in the context of that movie.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think everyone understands these were the terms of

0:37:31.760 --> 0:37:35.200
<v Speaker 1>the time. When they did the remake with Laverne Cox,

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>who is a new Laverne Cox from Orange Ise and

0:37:38.880 --> 0:37:43.080
<v Speaker 1>New Black, but a great transgender actress to play Frankenfurter,

0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 1>I think she was even like, oh, you know, should

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 1>we update this a little bit, and then finally decided no,

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the song is so iconic. These were the terms of

0:37:50.960 --> 0:37:55.520
<v Speaker 1>the day. And again, it's a it is a blatant

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:59.240
<v Speaker 1>love letter. And I believe Richard O'Brien identifies as trans

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.840
<v Speaker 1>if I'm not mistaken. So I mean it's it is

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:06.799
<v Speaker 1>for this group of people, this group of people who

0:38:06.800 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>felt like they were outsiders, who maybe didn't belong in

0:38:11.560 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 1>mainstream society. And these are the people who got dressed

0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 1>up and who went down there and were so creative

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and sort of building this culture around it like it

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>is a very and always has been a very safe

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>space for that to occur. And so it's just a

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:29.840
<v Speaker 1>great movie for a lot of reasons and that's certainly

0:38:29.840 --> 0:38:30.319
<v Speaker 1>one of them.

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I can't imagine how many kids in like Indiana

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and Iowa and Kansas and Georgia were just had the

0:38:38.920 --> 0:38:44.120
<v Speaker 2>opportunity to find themselves when they found like midnight showings

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 2>of Rocky Horror Picture Show and like the people who

0:38:46.160 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 2>were there that were like them, that were and this

0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 2>was the only place in their life that they could

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:53.280
<v Speaker 2>go and just be themselves like that. It's really sad

0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:55.399
<v Speaker 2>to think of, but it's also really heartening to think

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 2>that they finally did find that place, you know.

0:38:58.880 --> 0:39:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, and you know what it did was it was

0:39:01.560 --> 0:39:06.040
<v Speaker 1>like it created an excuse to put on the corset

0:39:06.040 --> 0:39:10.400
<v Speaker 1>and the high heels if you really need an excuse,

0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>but if you were someone struggling with you know, in

0:39:14.320 --> 0:39:20.040
<v Speaker 1>the nineteen seventies, especially with your gender fluidity, and like

0:39:20.160 --> 0:39:22.879
<v Speaker 1>just to have a reason like no mom and dad,

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:26.160
<v Speaker 1>like it's a movie thing, you wear these costumes and

0:39:26.239 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 1>like it gave them a reason to actually go and

0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.319
<v Speaker 1>be themselves. And Tim Curry over the years and Richard

0:39:31.360 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 1>O'Brien had both received you know, just hundreds and thousands

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:39.000
<v Speaker 1>of letters and shout outs from people that said, you know,

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 1>that confirm all of this, they said, like I was

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.279
<v Speaker 1>able to be myself and I was able to come

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 1>out because of you and because of this film and

0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.000
<v Speaker 1>what it did. So it's been a really sort of

0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:52.000
<v Speaker 1>heartwarming thing I think for the for the creators and

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:52.759
<v Speaker 1>the actors.

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:55.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, for sure. And I again, one of the

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 2>other reasons that it gets to pass is because that

0:39:58.600 --> 0:40:05.480
<v Speaker 2>show is so reaffirming that one of Tim Curry's lines

0:40:05.560 --> 0:40:07.880
<v Speaker 2>is actually in one of the songs is don't dream

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:12.439
<v Speaker 2>it be it, and people just latch onto that because

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:14.440
<v Speaker 2>if you just stop and think about what it's saying,

0:40:14.520 --> 0:40:17.560
<v Speaker 2>like that's that's kind of all you need to know.

0:40:17.640 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 2>It's almost like the campy version of Yoda's there do

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:24.120
<v Speaker 2>or do not? There is no try kind of thing.

0:40:24.440 --> 0:40:27.160
<v Speaker 1>You know, if you build it, they will come. There

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>are all sorts of classic movie lines.

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:31.240
<v Speaker 2>There are, and that is one of them. For sure.

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:35.960
<v Speaker 1>No, it is a super empowering statement, and you know,

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 1>it's the kind of thing where I don't think Richard

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>O'Brien really maybe thought about that specific line too much

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:43.359
<v Speaker 1>at the time, but it ends up having so much

0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>meaning later on. And you know, kind of a fun

0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:48.799
<v Speaker 1>side story that we didn't get to earlier, but Tim

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.719
<v Speaker 1>Curry lived near the Waverley in Greenwich Village in New

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.600
<v Speaker 1>York when this is going on, and apparently wanted to

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.800
<v Speaker 1>go and like make an appearance and just knock everyone

0:40:58.920 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>socks off. Yeah, and called ahead to the theater even

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:08.120
<v Speaker 1>showed up. They let him in, and then I guess

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it was a couple of it sounds like a couple

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.799
<v Speaker 1>of rogue theater attendants that hadn't let him in. We're like, no,

0:41:13.880 --> 0:41:16.520
<v Speaker 1>this guy's a fake, Like, let's get him out of here,

0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and they literally threw Tim Curry out.

0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 1>He gets incensed, gets his passport and shows them, and

0:41:23.560 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>I think it was like the manager or somebody who

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:26.960
<v Speaker 1>had the authority to let him back in was like,

0:41:27.000 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry you come back in, and he was like,

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't dream of it, and he left.

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh really, yes, Wow, that's how you show him, Curry.

0:41:36.560 --> 0:41:38.759
<v Speaker 1>I got so He's like, I've got a kitten to

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>hold in Los Angeles.

0:41:40.400 --> 0:41:44.240
<v Speaker 2>That's right. There's some other pretty neat little things about

0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 2>the movie too. One of the ones that I love

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 2>is Easter eggs. There are actual Easter eggs hidden in

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the movie unintentionally because apparently they had an Easter egg

0:41:55.560 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 2>hunt on the set and they didn't find them all.

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 2>So if you really know what to look for, I

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:06.719
<v Speaker 2>didn't see him, but you can find three different Easter

0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:10.280
<v Speaker 2>eggs throughout the movie. And that's not actually the term

0:42:10.719 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>or where the term Easter egg comes from. Right, Strangely enough,

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:18.840
<v Speaker 2>apparently that was from an Atari game developer from nineteen eighty.

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.600
<v Speaker 2>That's who really coined that term and where it came

0:42:22.680 --> 0:42:23.680
<v Speaker 2>into use from.

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:27.440
<v Speaker 1>I think, if I'm not mistaken from our Nintendo episode,

0:42:27.440 --> 0:42:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that was Warren Robinette, who wrote the game Adventure and

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:32.359
<v Speaker 1>that had the first Easter Egg.

0:42:32.920 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh is that right? I'm pretty sure I saw a

0:42:35.600 --> 0:42:41.200
<v Speaker 2>guy named Steve Wright. Oh really yeah, coined the term. Yeah,

0:42:41.520 --> 0:42:44.000
<v Speaker 2>oh okay, I think the first Easter Egg was an

0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 2>adventure though, But maybe I got to coin the I gotcha,

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I got you? Yeah?

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:48.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? What else?

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:53.399
<v Speaker 1>Chuck Well, Susan Sarandon, who was They were all very young,

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 1>They're on their sort of late twenties, early thirties when

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:59.399
<v Speaker 1>they were making this. She got pneumonia not too long

0:42:59.440 --> 0:43:03.480
<v Speaker 1>after she got there. And they shot this movie at

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>a real old English castle named Oakley Court, which is

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.040
<v Speaker 1>now a luxury hotel, even though I think at the

0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.240
<v Speaker 1>time it was falling apart such that the owners wanted

0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:15.040
<v Speaker 1>to raise the place. So they shoot it in this legit,

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:19.520
<v Speaker 1>drafty old castle. She gets there, she's got pneumonia. She's

0:43:19.760 --> 0:43:22.200
<v Speaker 1>half undressed for half the movie. There's a scene in

0:43:22.239 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>a swimming pool. She's freezing to death and feverish, you know,

0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:29.520
<v Speaker 1>those cold chills, And apparently just had a pretty rough

0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:32.000
<v Speaker 1>go but was like game through all of it.

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 2>Well even worse, and I saw this confirmed by her.

0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:39.600
<v Speaker 2>She's like, you have to get me some heated place

0:43:39.719 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 2>to be sick in between takes. So they gave her

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:47.000
<v Speaker 2>a trailer and it did in fact have heat, there

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.000
<v Speaker 2>were space heaters in it, but they ended up burning

0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 2>the trailer down. It was that kind of shoot.

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:57.160
<v Speaker 1>That's amazing. Another bit of trivia that all rocky horror

0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 1>fans know. But those disembodied lips at the beginning where

0:44:01.800 --> 0:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the lips of Patricia Quinn, who played Magenta and Usharette,

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 1>but and signed on with the idea that she was

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>going to sing that song, and she said she loved it.

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I think she said it was like the most beautiful

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:15.920
<v Speaker 1>song she'd ever heard at the time. But when it

0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:19.160
<v Speaker 1>came time to actually sing the song, Richard O'Brien sang it,

0:44:19.600 --> 0:44:23.880
<v Speaker 1>and Patricia Quinn, I think, somewhat disappointedly lip synced it.

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:29.320
<v Speaker 2>She was really mad about that. She had basically joined

0:44:29.360 --> 0:44:35.040
<v Speaker 2>the cast originally for the stage show because of that song,

0:44:35.800 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 2>and so she thought she would have the opportunity to

0:44:38.480 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 2>do it in the movie, and I guess he had

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 2>her sing, and she didn't find out until the movie

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 2>was released, till she saw it that she wasn't the

0:44:46.760 --> 0:44:50.879
<v Speaker 2>one who was singing it at the beginning. Not cool, no,

0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:53.520
<v Speaker 2>but I think it was a good move because if

0:44:53.520 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 2>you listened, I don't think it would be the same

0:44:55.200 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 2>with her singing.

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think it definitely like you said with

0:44:58.800 --> 0:45:02.239
<v Speaker 1>meat Loaf, was he had been in Hair right before this.

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>He had a duo album with this woman, and he

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 1>was sort of around, but he definitely was not a

0:45:09.160 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>big star at all. And Rocky Horror his role as Eddie,

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 1>and especially the great great song Hotpituity Bless My Soul,

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.840
<v Speaker 1>such a good song. I think people saw that and

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:23.680
<v Speaker 1>they were like, there's something to this guy.

0:45:24.640 --> 0:45:27.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for sure, because he plays the part really really well.

0:45:27.800 --> 0:45:30.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that does a great job. There's a lot

0:45:30.080 --> 0:45:33.200
<v Speaker 2>of lore around it too, that those people that the

0:45:33.239 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 2>producers offered a bigger budget to Richard O'Brien and Jim

0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Sharmon to make the movie. Another thing, too, Chuck, that

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:45.200
<v Speaker 2>I found fascinating. You mentioned before that the producers had

0:45:45.239 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 2>wanted to kind of stack the film version with like

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:52.320
<v Speaker 2>rock stars. Yeah, there's tons of legends about who those were. Chaer,

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:56.680
<v Speaker 2>David Bowie, Mick Jagger as doctor Frank Nfer.

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.879
<v Speaker 1>It would have been pretty good actually, yeah. But yeah,

0:46:00.480 --> 0:46:03.920
<v Speaker 1>he's the only person that could see doing justice to

0:46:03.960 --> 0:46:05.840
<v Speaker 1>that role. Let me just say that, I'm not saying

0:46:05.840 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 1>better than Tim.

0:46:06.440 --> 0:46:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Curry, but it'd be fascinating to go see for sure. Yeah.

0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:14.560
<v Speaker 2>So the one that does seem to be actually legitimate

0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 2>that the producers actually did float was Elvis as Eddie,

0:46:17.960 --> 0:46:19.160
<v Speaker 2>replacing meat Loaf with.

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:23.839
<v Speaker 1>Elvis seventy six Elvis. Wow, Yeah, that was an Eddie end.

0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was basically it would be a cool cameo

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:28.439
<v Speaker 2>for him.

0:46:29.040 --> 0:46:32.759
<v Speaker 1>That would have been. Oh man, I'm just trying to

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:34.400
<v Speaker 1>wrap my head around what that would have been like.

0:46:34.600 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he would have been great in that role

0:46:36.680 --> 0:46:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and singing that number. But can you imagine what kind

0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of like upheaval that would have thrown that production into.

0:46:43.760 --> 0:46:48.479
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I mean Elvison completely imbalanced the movie too.

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:46:50.120 --> 0:46:52.320
<v Speaker 2>You know, you've got all these people who are doing

0:46:52.360 --> 0:46:55.319
<v Speaker 2>this thing because they love it. And there's Elvis too,

0:46:56.000 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, yeah, like Vegas Elvis. Yeah, exactly did you

0:46:59.640 --> 0:47:05.719
<v Speaker 2>see that movie yet? Delvis movieh No, another bos Lerman one. Yeah, No,

0:47:05.800 --> 0:47:07.360
<v Speaker 2>I haven't seen it.

0:47:07.360 --> 0:47:09.239
<v Speaker 1>It's we're seeing it's it was. I think I might

0:47:09.239 --> 0:47:10.960
<v Speaker 1>have even mentioned it before. It's a bit much, but

0:47:11.040 --> 0:47:15.359
<v Speaker 1>the actor does such a great job in recreating those performances.

0:47:15.360 --> 0:47:16.319
<v Speaker 1>It's it's worth it for that.

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:21.399
<v Speaker 2>There's also a little known sequel, the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.040
<v Speaker 2>I did not know this until a couple of days ago.

0:47:24.800 --> 0:47:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I knew about it. I've never seen it.

0:47:27.800 --> 0:47:30.839
<v Speaker 2>It's called Shock Treatment, right, Yeah, and it was sort

0:47:30.840 --> 0:47:31.720
<v Speaker 2>of a loose sequel.

0:47:33.239 --> 0:47:36.399
<v Speaker 1>Did not catch on obviously like Rocky Horror did at all.

0:47:36.440 --> 0:47:40.040
<v Speaker 1>It was it was basically a big flop. Yeah. I

0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 1>just remember seeing when I worked at the video store

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:45.360
<v Speaker 1>an Athens at Vision Video. I remember seeing the cover

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.279
<v Speaker 1>of Shock Treatment and kind of was like, what is

0:47:49.320 --> 0:47:51.920
<v Speaker 1>this even and then found out later that it was

0:47:52.160 --> 0:47:52.680
<v Speaker 1>a sequel.

0:47:53.160 --> 0:47:56.319
<v Speaker 2>Gotcha you got anything else?

0:47:56.840 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 1>I got nothing else. I'm gonna go. I encourage everyone

0:48:00.920 --> 0:48:02.520
<v Speaker 1>else to go that. Maybe they'd be fun to get

0:48:02.560 --> 0:48:04.680
<v Speaker 1>some stuff. You should know local listeners to all go

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>on a certain night.

0:48:05.760 --> 0:48:08.640
<v Speaker 2>That's a great idea. Also, if you want to find

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:12.280
<v Speaker 2>you know where you can see one by your house.

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:18.880
<v Speaker 2>The Rocky Horror site rocky horror dot com actually has

0:48:18.920 --> 0:48:21.799
<v Speaker 2>a pretty good list around the country and I think

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 2>around the world too, because they do it in England.

0:48:23.960 --> 0:48:27.839
<v Speaker 2>But I've heard they are way more reserved than one

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:29.280
<v Speaker 2>you would go to in America.

0:48:30.760 --> 0:48:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so.

0:48:32.440 --> 0:48:36.000
<v Speaker 2>So that's it for Rocky Horror Picture Show. I hope

0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:37.960
<v Speaker 2>you enjoyed it. Hope it was worth it. Stuff you

0:48:37.960 --> 0:48:41.080
<v Speaker 2>should know. Army, thanks for the idea. And since I

0:48:41.080 --> 0:48:44.000
<v Speaker 2>said thanks for the idea, it's time for listener mail.

0:48:46.120 --> 0:48:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Before we get into that, though, we always like

0:48:48.680 --> 0:48:51.319
<v Speaker 1>to give our end of the year well wishings yea

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:56.200
<v Speaker 1>to everyone who got us through another year. And I

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:58.879
<v Speaker 1>believe your lovely wife has a birthday coming up.

0:48:58.840 --> 0:49:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Too, right, Yeah, when this comes out, it'll be right

0:49:01.719 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 2>around Umi's birthday. Happy birthday and really coolly in real

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.839
<v Speaker 2>time it's right around Emily's birthday, So happy birthday Emily too.

0:49:09.880 --> 0:49:12.560
<v Speaker 1>That's right, her birthday is in a few days. Yeah,

0:49:12.600 --> 0:49:15.080
<v Speaker 1>so thanks everyone. You know, it's been a rough few years,

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:17.759
<v Speaker 1>but I think twenty twenty two shone a little light

0:49:17.880 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 1>on us all and we hope that continues. And thanks

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 1>for hanging in there and letting us keep our jobs again.

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:26.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, said Chuck.

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:26.920
<v Speaker 1>You could all fire us.

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Please don't, though, I have to do.

0:49:29.920 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 1>Stop listening and we're gone.

0:49:31.320 --> 0:49:33.560
<v Speaker 2>You should stop putting ideas in people's heads.

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:34.560
<v Speaker 1>Agreed.

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, from us and from Jerry and all of

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 2>the gang who work on stuff, you should know. Happy

0:49:42.200 --> 0:49:43.239
<v Speaker 2>New Year everybody.

0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:47.200
<v Speaker 1>All right, so we will do a listener mail from

0:49:47.200 --> 0:49:50.960
<v Speaker 1>the Shakespeare episode about whether Shakespeare really wrote all that stuff?

0:49:51.239 --> 0:49:54.439
<v Speaker 2>That is maybe one of that's my new favorite episode.

0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I loved that episode. I thought it was

0:49:57.719 --> 0:50:00.800
<v Speaker 2>so fascinating. It was just a really good episode.

0:50:01.000 --> 0:50:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Awesome. I love that. Hey, guys enjoyed the podcast. I

0:50:04.600 --> 0:50:07.840
<v Speaker 1>have to admit I am an ox Fordian believer that

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeenth Earl of Oxford was the real Shakespeare.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Many facts about the Earl's life and its reflection in

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<v Speaker 1>the plays are very convincing, but I also was intrigued

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<v Speaker 1>by the Earl's own family crest being a lion brandishing

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<v Speaker 1>a spear. The history of the Earl being a part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Elizabethan court life, as well as his travels

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<v Speaker 1>to Italy and his family life mirror so much in

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<v Speaker 1>the plays. I had the bad form when visiting Stratford

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<v Speaker 1>upon Avon, the Shakespeare family home there, having a discussion

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<v Speaker 1>with another visitor about Edward de Vere possibly being the

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<v Speaker 1>true Shakespeare, and the tour guide was rushing us out. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for the fun discussion. That is from Dana B. Goward.

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<v Speaker 2>Dana got booted from Stratford upon Avon. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Run out of town. I could see that being a

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<v Speaker 2>bad place to mention that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I was hoping we would hear from some oxfordy instead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Thanks a lot, Data, Thanks for getting in touch,

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