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Speaker 1: better treat us right. So, UM, let's go start talking
Speaker 1: about Rocky Horror Picture Show. UM, quick question, are you
Speaker 1: a virgin? Yeah? So I guess I should quickly go
Speaker 1: over we should both kind of go over our history
Speaker 1: with this. UM. I have never been to a live
Speaker 1: in the movie theater Rocky Horror Picture Show showing, which includes,
Speaker 1: as you will see, the shadow cast, all the fun
Speaker 1: of the audience participation. I have seen it. I remember
Speaker 1: when it finally came to home video. It was it
Speaker 1: took a long time. It wasn't like one of those.
Speaker 1: It was just always out there. Oh I remember movies
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah. Yeah, So there was like a lot
Speaker 1: of fanfare when Rocky Horror finally came to home video,
Speaker 1: and I really got into it for a while there,
Speaker 1: watching it with friends and watching it at home. To
Speaker 1: the tune of seeing it. I've probably seen the movie
Speaker 1: on at home probably six or eight times. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I am technically a virgin. Uh, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go now, like I have to go now because Atlanta
Speaker 1: has one of the great sort of legendary theaters that
Speaker 1: still do this twice a month. Yeah. I think the
Speaker 1: group that puts on the shadow cast is called Lips
Speaker 1: Down on Dixie the Plaza Theater. Um. Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: like a good time for sure. What's your deal? I
Speaker 1: have not ever been either, and I thought that I
Speaker 1: wasn't a virgin. I thought if you had seen the movie,
Speaker 1: you were not a virgin. No, you're right, if you
Speaker 1: you have to go to a live screening of it,
Speaker 1: um to to not be a virgin any longer. Um. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've seen it a bunch of times to I love
Speaker 1: the soundtrack soundtrack is really good. To clean the house too,
Speaker 1: I have to say, um, like you will be dancing
Speaker 1: with your swiffer very quickly. Um. But yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: great movie. I watched it again this morning. It was
Speaker 1: really bizarre to watch it in the morning. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not it just doesn't jibe with that. I watched uh,
Speaker 1: quite a bit of it today too, not all of it,
Speaker 1: but I kind of want to make sure I saw
Speaker 1: the musical numbers because I just love those. And I also,
Speaker 1: as many times as I've seen it, it's been a
Speaker 1: long long time, so I couldn't exactly remember the third
Speaker 1: act as well. I think it's one of those films
Speaker 1: that the first two acts are a little more famous
Speaker 1: than the third act. I mean, you know, the time
Speaker 1: worp is the second number, well, the third, I guess
Speaker 1: if you count the beginning song, which we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the second but yeah, you got you know, and
Speaker 1: then uh, you know Tim Curry's legendary sweet transvestite song
Speaker 1: and that entrance in that performance gat Yeah, come up
Speaker 1: to the lab, see what's on the slab. I mean,
Speaker 1: like he's just he couldn't have been more perfect. And
Speaker 1: as we'll see in a second. He was also not
Speaker 1: an obvious choice to cast as Dr Frankenfurter as the
Speaker 1: character you play. So let's get into this. Okay. For
Speaker 1: people who have never seen Rocky Horror Picture Show, it
Speaker 1: is a bizarre musical um camp fest that uh. Dave,
Speaker 1: who helps us out with this one, describes as a
Speaker 1: send up, which I I know intuitively what send up means,
Speaker 1: but I've never seen like an actual definition of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think it's I I made, I made up
Speaker 1: my own if I if you don't mind me sharing
Speaker 1: affectionate mockery. Yeah, it's like an affectionate homage slash mockery,
Speaker 1: I think, right. So it's a send up of fifties
Speaker 1: sci fi in horror movies like b movies, UM, things
Speaker 1: like Forbidden Planet, um, The Day of the Earth Stood Still,
Speaker 1: all of the canon of ed Wood, um, all that stuff. Uh.
Speaker 1: And it's so it's kind of a tribute to that.
Speaker 1: But it's also, like I said, super camp and it's
Speaker 1: definitely its own thing, so much so that it was
Speaker 1: made in and it does not seem like something from
Speaker 1: the past. It has a timeless quality to it weirdly enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would agree with that it's sort of in that
Speaker 1: um sort of same weird rock opera thing is Tommy,
Speaker 1: where when you look at Tommy, it looks um, sort
Speaker 1: of dated and old fashioned but also also somehow still
Speaker 1: sort of of its time and futuristic or of today's
Speaker 1: time and futuristic, but not at all anywhere near as
Speaker 1: serious or not serious at all, Like Tommy took Itself.
Speaker 1: It's not serious, it's just neat. Yeah, I guess Tommy
Speaker 1: took itself fairly seriously. Um, so, uh, the plot, if
Speaker 1: we can talk about the plot, right, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think we should give everything away, definitely,
Speaker 1: I think we can nutshell it. But the idea is
Speaker 1: that there are these two characters, Brandon Janet, who are
Speaker 1: very straight laced, um sort of uh maybe Rubes but
Speaker 1: sort of too young, naive characters that are had been
Speaker 1: to a wedding and are talking about getting married themselves.
Speaker 1: And they go on a little road trip and it's
Speaker 1: a very sort of classic trophy thing. You know. The
Speaker 1: car gets a flat and the only thing around is
Speaker 1: this creepy castle in the rain, and they knock on
Speaker 1: the door and all sorts of crazy, funny, fun sexual hijinks,
Speaker 1: sci fi hijinks and sue. Yeah. So they start out
Speaker 1: as just as white bread as you can be, and
Speaker 1: then by the end of the movie they're like they're
Speaker 1: they're both wearing garter belts and stockings and bikini briefs
Speaker 1: and courses. Yeah, um, like they they've just gone through
Speaker 1: the sexual transformation. But also, you know, I think a
Speaker 1: life transformation, I guess, and I want to say also
Speaker 1: there's plenty of analysis and like, um, you know, writing
Speaker 1: about subtexts and all that stuff. This has always struck
Speaker 1: me as one of those movie is that like it's
Speaker 1: just not meant for that. You're not supposed to like
Speaker 1: try to look too deep into it. You're just supposed
Speaker 1: to enjoy it on its face. I totally agree. So again,
Speaker 1: not to give too much away if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: but the the head of this uh castle is Dr
Speaker 1: Frank In Further, who is the Tim Curry character who
Speaker 1: in that great song Sweet Transvestite. The lyrics are sweet
Speaker 1: Transvestite from trans Sexual Transylvania, as we learn in the film,
Speaker 1: and it's it's just sort of goofy that they threw
Speaker 1: the sci fi element in there, which is really fun.
Speaker 1: But trans Sexual is the home planet of Franken further
Speaker 1: and Transylvania is the galaxy, and so he's sort of Frankenstein,
Speaker 1: this ubermanch uh on on the slab. And uh, that's
Speaker 1: kind of the plot. I mean, all kinds of u
Speaker 1: seductions take place over the course of the movie at
Speaker 1: various times, different characters seducing one another. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of gender fluidity and sort of. Um, it was a
Speaker 1: movie ahead of its time in a lot of ways
Speaker 1: in that respect, and since it's become obviously a huge
Speaker 1: movie in the l g t b Q community, Yeah
Speaker 1: for sure. Um, so that's the movie. Uh, and it
Speaker 1: didn't actually start out a movie. It started out of
Speaker 1: stage play um in London actually. So the guy who
Speaker 1: plays riff Raff is named Richard O'Brien. Riff Raff is
Speaker 1: Dr Frankenforter's like eagle or like assistant. He has a
Speaker 1: huge hunchback and like stringy hair and like dark circles
Speaker 1: under his eyes. And um, he was thirty one years
Speaker 1: old by the way when this got kicked off. Oh really,
Speaker 1: he always just struck me as looking super old. But
Speaker 1: then when I kind of you know, look today, with
Speaker 1: more of a critical I was like, he doesn't look
Speaker 1: old old, but the circles under his eyes it kind
Speaker 1: of made him up to to look a little creepier.
Speaker 1: But he just I never pictured that guys being in
Speaker 1: his early thirties. No, And actually, if you see later
Speaker 1: interview with them, he stayed basically the same, looking the
Speaker 1: same from that point on. Um, not dark circles under
Speaker 1: his eyes, but he didn't seem to age at all.
Speaker 1: But that guy was named Richard, or is named Richard O'Brien.
Speaker 1: He was the creator of the whole thing and played
Speaker 1: a pretty big role in the movie as well. Um,
Speaker 1: and I believe he played riff raff in the stage
Speaker 1: production too, right, Yeah, so he was a New Zealander
Speaker 1: who moved to London in the seventies in the early
Speaker 1: seventies and you know, didn't have great prospects for jobs.
Speaker 1: He was a stunt man for a little while. He
Speaker 1: got some gigs acting on stage, but not a lot
Speaker 1: of them and was basically bored, like he's been on
Speaker 1: record saying like this was sort of like me doing
Speaker 1: the cross word, was me writing these uh songs. He's
Speaker 1: sort of um, kind of fun and funny songs about uh,
Speaker 1: those sci fi B movies that he loved from the
Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. This was before Netflix, by the way. This
Speaker 1: is before Netflix. So the whole thing that kicked this
Speaker 1: off was really auspicious. Um. There there he was friends
Speaker 1: with some people who were musicians, and there was an
Speaker 1: E m I party. The record label had a big party,
Speaker 1: and his musician friends said, Hey, do you want to
Speaker 1: record a song to play at this E m I party.
Speaker 1: This is like a truck driver stuntman actor that they're asking,
Speaker 1: But I guess he had developed enough of a reputation
Speaker 1: for writing cool songs that they asked him. And he
Speaker 1: wrote UM Science Fiction Double Feature, which is the song
Speaker 1: that sung uh during the opening credits of the movie
Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show UM, where, even if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen the movie, I'm sure you're familiar with the iconic
Speaker 1: um disembodied bright red lips against white teeth on a
Speaker 1: black background that comes from the intro of the movie. UM.
Speaker 1: And when he played this song, uh, he I guess
Speaker 1: he got enough of a response to it that he
Speaker 1: decided to kind of take that song and some of
Speaker 1: his other songs and cobble him together into like a
Speaker 1: loose plot that really never got more fleshed out and
Speaker 1: ended up writing a stage play out of the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was called the Rocky Horror Show after I think
Speaker 1: the working title was they came Is it Denton High
Speaker 1: or Dent High School? Denton High? Okay, they came from
Speaker 1: Denton High, which I guess the idea was that Brad
Speaker 1: and Janet were from Denton because the church at the
Speaker 1: beginning is Denton Episcopalian Church. Yeah, okay, so they changed
Speaker 1: the title. I think his friend was stage director. He
Speaker 1: showed it to Jim Sharman said, they came from Denton High.
Speaker 1: It is not a great title. Uh. And the name
Speaker 1: of the uh Frankenstein like um, you know model with
Speaker 1: perfect abs that Frankenfurter has built is named Rocky Horror.
Speaker 1: So that's got a ring to it. Let's call it
Speaker 1: the Rocky Horror Show. And they did. Apparently it was
Speaker 1: just in time for previews, so they were able to
Speaker 1: change the name at the last minute. And that was Man,
Speaker 1: that was a close call if you really stop and
Speaker 1: think about it. So Jim Sharman and Richard O'Brien um
Speaker 1: managed to talk their way into like a space above
Speaker 1: the Royal Court Theater in London, and the Royal Court
Speaker 1: Theater was like a serious, legitimate playhouse UM, and above
Speaker 1: it was an experimental theater that I think sat sixty
Speaker 1: three or sixty eight people. And they started performing this
Speaker 1: thing and within weeks it was like the thing to
Speaker 1: see in London. They sold out. And again it's not
Speaker 1: that tough to sell out sixty three or sixty eight seats.
Speaker 1: It was more like the buzz around. It was just
Speaker 1: so just so gripping, and it happened so quickly that
Speaker 1: it just took off like a rocket. In very short order.
Speaker 1: They started touring. They they sent a touring company to
Speaker 1: cities all over Europe UM showing people this thing, and
Speaker 1: everybody was going nuts for Yeah. And in another turn
Speaker 1: of fate, I guess you could say Tim Curry was
Speaker 1: an actor at the Royal Court Theater UM obviously not
Speaker 1: some you know, huge name at the time, and was
Speaker 1: cast because of that association with the Royal Court as
Speaker 1: Dr Frank and Further, who was originally going to uh
Speaker 1: he was going to play it German because Frankenfurther obviously
Speaker 1: is a German uh German word. But I think in
Speaker 1: the interview, he talked about it and said that he
Speaker 1: he was experimenting around with accents and he found this
Speaker 1: the posh British thing really worked and said the character
Speaker 1: should sound like the Queen. Yeah, and UH was originally
Speaker 1: also supposed to be more of a classic mad scientists,
Speaker 1: white lab coat kind of doctor. Uh. And in another
Speaker 1: wonderful twist of fate, Uh, they hired a woman named
Speaker 1: Sue Blaine to do the costumes because you know, they
Speaker 1: needed to bring this. They didn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: money at first. We'll talk about the movie budget too,
Speaker 1: but Sue Blaine basically said, you know, I got almost
Speaker 1: nothing in Uh. Came up with these ideas for the
Speaker 1: ripped fishnet hose. And I think she had worked with
Speaker 1: Tim Curry before on a play in Scotland where he
Speaker 1: played a character in drag and she was like, you
Speaker 1: look good in heels and a corset. So if it
Speaker 1: hadn't have been for all those sort of weird things
Speaker 1: coming together, Uh, it might have been a German mad
Speaker 1: scientists in a white lab coat, which is really hard
Speaker 1: to imagine. Once you know Frankenfurter, this movie wouldn't be
Speaker 1: we wouldn't be talking about it right now, if they
Speaker 1: if they had been a white lab coat, I'm sure
Speaker 1: of it. No, really, I don't. I think Tim Curry's
Speaker 1: character was such a huge part of the popularity of
Speaker 1: it that, yeah, it just wouldn't have been the same.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Sue Blaine's um uh costuming budget
Speaker 1: for the original stage version was four dollars, which is
Speaker 1: peanuts even back in nine pounds or dollars, let's say pounds,
Speaker 1: all right, so maybe a few extra shekels. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: another thing too. We should say there's a lot of
Speaker 1: made up information about Rocky Horror and its origins and
Speaker 1: like the real story of it. So it's all fun,
Speaker 1: but um, you have to like really kind of wade
Speaker 1: through it. And if something sounds like no way, you
Speaker 1: may want to stop and say, probably no way. But
Speaker 1: it's still fun. So we'll mention things here there. But
Speaker 1: I think we should kind of give like a little
Speaker 1: caveat to them like that, how about that? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: this is one of those fans centric, uh pieces of
Speaker 1: entertainment where I'm sure there are people out there will
Speaker 1: be that will be fact checking us, right, that's the
Speaker 1: kindest way to say it. I'm literally sweating because I'm
Speaker 1: so nervous about that. I think we should take a
Speaker 1: break and then very quickly when we come back, I
Speaker 1: will retell my Tim Curry story from Los Angeles. Sorry, Georsh,
Speaker 1: all right, Uh, we're back. No, I've said this before,
Speaker 1: but I think I can't not say it again. I
Speaker 1: actually had two rocky horror sort of run INDs in
Speaker 1: l A when I lived there, and when I got
Speaker 1: my cat, Lauren, who was dearly departed. I found Lauren
Speaker 1: in a dumpster behind my apartment, took him in, took
Speaker 1: him to the vet, and as I was checking out
Speaker 1: at my vet, I look over and there's Tim Curry.
Speaker 1: And when I say look over, he was like two
Speaker 1: ft from me. Wow, was he staring at you? I
Speaker 1: don't know if he was or not. He was shorter
Speaker 1: than I thought, which was kind of surprising because I
Speaker 1: don't know. This character just seemed so larger than life. Well,
Speaker 1: he was whearing like six inch platform heels. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: as well, But when Tim Curry is like I think
Speaker 1: he's listed at five nine, and that's usually fudging a
Speaker 1: little bit. Like he was shorter than I was. Uh.
Speaker 1: And I went to write a check to pay for it.
Speaker 1: And I was holding Ran and I said, would you
Speaker 1: mind holding my kitten? And he was like absolutely. And
Speaker 1: Lauren was really funny looking. He had these huge ears.
Speaker 1: He had a a gray back, uh, and the rest
Speaker 1: of him was black and he eventually grew in all
Speaker 1: black hair. I have no idea. It was kind of
Speaker 1: a silver back. But he picked him up. That's why
Speaker 1: l A is so great man. The weirdest things happened
Speaker 1: in the most unlikely places. He stared at him and said, Lauren,
Speaker 1: you have very dramatic ears. And he went and look
Speaker 1: at your back. You look like a baboon. And he
Speaker 1: held Lauren while I wrote the check and I had
Speaker 1: like skipped out of there. It was like one of
Speaker 1: the great days. So that's what I don't really, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you've told it before. Oh I don't
Speaker 1: see how I couldn't have held onto that one for
Speaker 1: fifteen years, Like I really, it rings zero belt whatsoever.
Speaker 1: And there's enough dimentions to it that something should be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've heard that one. This this story has not been
Speaker 1: told before, and it is a fantastic story. All right,
Speaker 1: Well there's my Tim Curry story. What's the other rocky
Speaker 1: horror running you had. Well, I know I've talked about
Speaker 1: um that I was friends with Meat Loaf's daughter for
Speaker 1: a little while in l A. Oh, yes, sweet Potato,
Speaker 1: I can't believe you're laughing like that. That's funny. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a good one. Um. Yeah, I was sort of
Speaker 1: friends with her and her boyfriend for a very short
Speaker 1: time in l A. That was just a weird crossover
Speaker 1: where my friend's girlfriend worked for meats ex wife. Uh.
Speaker 1: And he did want to be called meat by the way.
Speaker 1: But I never met him, but I hung out at
Speaker 1: his house a few times. Uh. And he had a
Speaker 1: TV that came out of a case at the foot
Speaker 1: of his bed. Oh, I've seen that before via remote control.
Speaker 1: You know. I was pretty astounded at the time. I
Speaker 1: should say I've never seen it in person. I've seen
Speaker 1: it like on on TV. Yeah. It was cool though,
Speaker 1: walking around his house like rock memorabilia and all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff. I wanted to meet him, but never got
Speaker 1: a chance. I like the Tim Curry story better. It's
Speaker 1: better for sure. So, uh, where did we leave off? Oh?
Speaker 1: The stage play is on Fire and they and they
Speaker 1: toured it and Tim Curry played Frank Inverter everywhere except Australia.
Speaker 1: I think, oh really, Okay, so the original cast tour it.
Speaker 1: They didn't have a traveling cast. That's amazing. No, they
Speaker 1: were pretty as you'll see when they went to make
Speaker 1: the movie. They were very loyal to that original cast
Speaker 1: as much as they could be. Yeah, for sure. So
Speaker 1: um by four they moved it over to Los Angeles,
Speaker 1: and I guess then, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Most of the cast went over to Los Angeles, and
Speaker 1: including Tim Curry. But one of the people they added
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles was meat Loaf And I never realized,
Speaker 1: but you know, mel Off is pretty famous. He was
Speaker 1: not famous. He was maybe a rising star at the time,
Speaker 1: but he really gained his fame after Rocky Horror. And
Speaker 1: this is a really weird choice for him, but he
Speaker 1: did it and he stuck to it, and uh, it
Speaker 1: was a really good move too, because he's got this
Speaker 1: whole other legend that, like his actual other fan base
Speaker 1: probably couldn't care less about um. And then he has,
Speaker 1: like the Rocky Horror fans, two separate fan bases because
Speaker 1: he made this very smart choice back in four. I
Speaker 1: would argue three fan bases because he's got a bunch
Speaker 1: of like creepy guys who only know him as the
Speaker 1: guy from Fight Club. Oh yeah, Robert Paulson. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: we have a friend who listens with that name, I know,
Speaker 1: and he's he's heard it all. Yeah, I know. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna say it again, all right. So the um
Speaker 1: they go to, l a Meat comes on board. It's
Speaker 1: a big hit everywhere they go. So of course the
Speaker 1: movie industry comes a stick in their nose into it,
Speaker 1: and they say, well, why don't you make it this
Speaker 1: into a film? And so the Rocky Horror Show became
Speaker 1: the Rocky Horror Picture Show. And they did not have
Speaker 1: a lot of money for a budget either. But the
Speaker 1: kind of the cool part of the story is they
Speaker 1: were offered more budget if they would put some sort
Speaker 1: of bigger rock and roll stars of the time in
Speaker 1: the major roles, and O'Brien said, no, I want to
Speaker 1: keep everybody like basically the same, and I'll do it
Speaker 1: for less money. And that's exactly what they did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: about one and a quarter million. I also saw one
Speaker 1: point four million. Um and even today and this was Fox,
Speaker 1: twentieth century Fox, that would be like twentieth century Fox
Speaker 1: giving somebody six and a half million dollars to make
Speaker 1: a movie today, Like it was a shoe string budget.
Speaker 1: I mean, so shoe string. And poor Sue Blaine, she
Speaker 1: had a four hundred dollar budget for the stage play.
Speaker 1: Originally she had like a fifteen dollar budget for the movie.
Speaker 1: Well he's the same costume, so she had a leg
Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, but still you're not supposed to have
Speaker 1: to recycle the stage plays costumes for the movie, you know. Yeah, alright,
Speaker 1: so they have their meager budget, they make the film.
Speaker 1: It's released in September nineteen seventy five as uh, in
Speaker 1: a limited release in some test markets. Reviews weren't great. Uh,
Speaker 1: it is a very weird I mean it's it's amazing,
Speaker 1: but it's a very weird movie that critics I could
Speaker 1: see not getting on board with right away before there's
Speaker 1: like a cult established around it. But then it's remarkable.
Speaker 1: It never got a nationwide release, but even Roger Ebert
Speaker 1: back then gave it a lukewarm review, but said that
Speaker 1: it belongs on a stage with the performers and audience
Speaker 1: joining in and a collective send up. Because word had
Speaker 1: trickled out that this was starting a little bit here
Speaker 1: and there. Yeah. I don't know if he was aware
Speaker 1: of that or not, but or if he was just
Speaker 1: prescient about it. But yeah, I think by venty six, Um,
Speaker 1: April first, nineteen seventy six, Uh, the tradition of showing
Speaker 1: Key Horror Picture Show at midnight started in Greenwich Village
Speaker 1: actually at the Waverley Theater. And um, this, this is
Speaker 1: the thing about Rocky Horror Picture Show. Up to this point,
Speaker 1: we've been talking about a stage play, a movie, and
Speaker 1: it's been following a pretty standard trajectory. Um, the movie
Speaker 1: was just panned and it got shelved, but they were
Speaker 1: still showing it here there because it was weird enough
Speaker 1: that Greenwich Village would have gone crazy for it. Where
Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show differs is what happens at the
Speaker 1: midnight showings, and that is the audience participation that um,
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert said would really kind of make the movie better.
Speaker 1: And it's just it's what makes Rocky Horror Picture Show
Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Picture Show, or at the very least it's
Speaker 1: what has made it continue on all these years. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's grossed over a twenty million
Speaker 1: dollars now total Yeah, over the years, and this is
Speaker 1: a be that did never get a nationwide release, which
Speaker 1: is not remarkable. And I think it's also the longest
Speaker 1: running theatrical film release in movie history too, it's gotta be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's as far as I understand it is. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: Plaza does it still twice a month. They're doing it tomorrow. Uh,
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna go tomorrow because Emily's birthday parties
Speaker 1: tomorrow night. But I'm gonna I'm gonna go soon. And
Speaker 1: they mercifully started at eleven o'clock because when I was
Speaker 1: thinking about I was like, am I really gonna go
Speaker 1: somewhere at midnight? Like listeners that aren't fifty years old
Speaker 1: yet may not understand you don't go somewhere at midnight anymore.
Speaker 1: When you're fifty years old. You you've been asleep for
Speaker 1: a couple of hours by it on many nights that
Speaker 1: it's true. Like even the thought of it makes me tired,
Speaker 1: like I I can't, I can't do that. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: pick out a nice time though, when my daughter is
Speaker 1: like staying at my mom's and I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make sure I do this because I did watch a
Speaker 1: lot of them, a lot of YouTube videos of the participation,
Speaker 1: and it just looks like so much fun. So what's
Speaker 1: interesting about this is that audience participation and everything that
Speaker 1: kind of you that you would experience when you went
Speaker 1: to a Rocky Horror Picture Show live screening today just
Speaker 1: kind of happened organically. A little bit by little bit,
Speaker 1: people people around the country and around the world started
Speaker 1: kind of contributing, and those ideas would just spread and
Speaker 1: burgon and become part of the Rocky Horror Picture Show experience.
Speaker 1: And the whole thing started because the Waverley showed this
Speaker 1: this movie enough times and UM the manager would get
Speaker 1: the crowd like ready for it by playing the soundtrack
Speaker 1: to the stage show. So by the time people had
Speaker 1: come a few times to see the movie, they have
Speaker 1: memorized the lyrics generally because they're pretty catchy lyrics. UM,
Speaker 1: and that kind of created like this idea of UM
Speaker 1: people who really kind of knew this movie and could
Speaker 1: sing along and talk along and just they just kind
Speaker 1: of absorbed it into their cells. Yeah, so people are
Speaker 1: singing this song during the run up to the showing
Speaker 1: of the film. H And by the way, big thanks
Speaker 1: to UM Dave got a lot of this stuff, and
Speaker 1: we got a lot of our extra stuff from the
Speaker 1: official Rocky Horror Picture Show fan site Rocky Horror dot
Speaker 1: com UH, founded by Salpiro, just a wealth of information.
Speaker 1: UH in a love letter to the film. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a fun website, but they're pre showing it. They're
Speaker 1: singing these songs. And then, according to the legend, on
Speaker 1: Labor Day of nineteen seventy six, Labor Day weekend, there
Speaker 1: was a Staten Island kindergarten teacher name I guess it's
Speaker 1: Louis or Lewis Freese, and this person was the first person,
Speaker 1: as far as the legend goes, to yell something back
Speaker 1: at the screen when something happened on the screen, And
Speaker 1: that was when Susan Surrandon gets out in the rain
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the film, puts a newspaper overhead
Speaker 1: to act as an umbrella, and supposedly he yelled out
Speaker 1: by an umbrella, you cheap expletive, and supposedly that started
Speaker 1: the call outs. Yeah, and you can actually, if you're
Speaker 1: watching the movie, you don't even have to have gone
Speaker 1: to uh A live showing UM. You can pick out
Speaker 1: the exact moment, like the people who made this movie
Speaker 1: new enough to make a movie, but they also didn't
Speaker 1: know enough to make a movie that, like, you know,
Speaker 1: moved along really quickly. There's there's this moment where you're
Speaker 1: watching Brad and Janet get out of the car and
Speaker 1: then walk around the car, just stuff that an editor
Speaker 1: normally would cut out, and so I think just the
Speaker 1: fact that that was left in and triggered that guy
Speaker 1: to say that it's almost like the movie, Um, they
Speaker 1: encouraged it itself. I just think that's so fascinating. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just definitely seems like a movie where just fate
Speaker 1: had so many little hands in it. Uh, if you
Speaker 1: believe that kind of thing. So people started dressing up
Speaker 1: a little more and more, and this was mainly in
Speaker 1: the lead up to Halloween ninety six. Then Halloween came
Speaker 1: and went and people were still dressing up, and people
Speaker 1: started bringing props. I think the original prop was they
Speaker 1: would tear up their programs to use his confetti in
Speaker 1: the wedding scene, and then they were like, why don't
Speaker 1: we just bring rice? And then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they were bringing all kinds of props to use during
Speaker 1: the film. So now you have people singing along, people
Speaker 1: in costume, people shouting back at the screen at various, um,
Speaker 1: well timed points, and then you have these props, right,
Speaker 1: and all of this is happening mostly at the Waverley Theater,
Speaker 1: but there's theaters and other cities that are showing the
Speaker 1: movie as well. Um. And so somebody from New York
Speaker 1: might go see a midnight showing in San Francisco and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, all the stuff that they've been
Speaker 1: developing in New York, this one New Yorkers just schooling
Speaker 1: the San Francisco rocky horror fans, and uh, it just
Speaker 1: spread very quickly like that, I mean like really quickly.
Speaker 1: And again, like I was saying earlier, it just became
Speaker 1: this cohesive whole that now if you go to one
Speaker 1: of these shows like, this is what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: These are the props at these certain times, and all
Speaker 1: of it just happened organically, Yeah, which is really remarkable
Speaker 1: in a pre internet age that this can spread through
Speaker 1: word of mouth like that strongly. Uh, but that's exactly
Speaker 1: what happened. And then so you've got all these people
Speaker 1: dressed up, you have people knowing all these songs and
Speaker 1: the movie by heart basically, and apparently in the balconies
Speaker 1: of some of these theaters people would sort of be
Speaker 1: acting out the movie and then they were like, why
Speaker 1: don't we just go down front under the screen, uh,
Speaker 1: or a lot of times there's a stage under the
Speaker 1: screen in front of the screen, and let's just do
Speaker 1: it down there. And then the literal re enactment of
Speaker 1: the full film with full cast was born via something
Speaker 1: that was dubbed shadow casting. Yeah, I mean, like beat
Speaker 1: for beat, there are people acting out the movie in
Speaker 1: front of the movie screen. That is like the gist
Speaker 1: now of going to see Rocky Horror Picture Show in
Speaker 1: the theater. And apparently, uh, Michael Wolfson is credited for
Speaker 1: coming up with the Rocky Horror Review the first organized
Speaker 1: shadow cast back in n UM and so he may
Speaker 1: have been the person who thought of this at least
Speaker 1: putting it on stage in front of the screen. But
Speaker 1: I mean it's not just people going in their street
Speaker 1: clothes like acting this out. Like people are in full costume,
Speaker 1: full makeup. Um. I think that depending on riff raff
Speaker 1: changes um costumes. So some people come as igor riffraff,
Speaker 1: other people come as sci fi riff raff um, so
Speaker 1: they'll be like they'll alternate who's doing what depending on
Speaker 1: the scene. And by the way, uh, there is a
Speaker 1: sci fi riff raff um statue uh in Richard O'Brien's
Speaker 1: hometown in New Zealand. Oh wow, it's pretty cool looking.
Speaker 1: I'm curious how the hierarchy of this because it's obviously
Speaker 1: all precast for the shadow cast. Like, I don't think
Speaker 1: I could just show up as a virgin dressed like
Speaker 1: Brad and be like I want to be Brad tonight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I have no idea. That's a fascinating question,
Speaker 1: Like how how does that evolve? Like in a local,
Speaker 1: local place, like clearly in Atlanta it's organized, there's like
Speaker 1: a group that does it. But I mean, like, how
Speaker 1: do you how do you join that group? I don't know.
Speaker 1: I guess you know, you get on their mailing list.
Speaker 1: You should if you show up at their meetings and
Speaker 1: you start agitating for a role. Man, I foresee Chuck's
Speaker 1: future here. Oh not the goodn of course it too.
Speaker 1: Uh So Richard O'Brien gets wind of this um in
Speaker 1: the seventies that what's going on, and it's just obviously
Speaker 1: as you would expect, completely knocked out in flatter and
Speaker 1: it was like, you know, this movie has it all.
Speaker 1: It's fun, it's campy. You've got the audience up there,
Speaker 1: you've got the movie playing, you've got these people acting
Speaker 1: and out I'm three for three. Uh and not in
Speaker 1: a in a haughty way, but just super proud, I think. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then shadow casting spread. There's all kinds of midnight
Speaker 1: movies now where people shadow cast, um, and one that
Speaker 1: that is a great one to check out if you
Speaker 1: ever can, and very heavily influenced music wise too. I
Speaker 1: think is Head Big in The Angry Inch. Yeah. They
Speaker 1: also do Clue apparently, which is another Tim Curry great him.
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's so good. So if you go, like
Speaker 1: we said, you were a virgin, and at the very
Speaker 1: beginning of the show, somebody will come out with a
Speaker 1: microphone and um, get everybody pumped up and ask the
Speaker 1: virgins to all stand up. And once you stand up,
Speaker 1: people around you will probably put a V on your
Speaker 1: forehead with lipstick. That's the first thing that's probably going
Speaker 1: to happen to you. I love it. That'll that's the
Speaker 1: worst thing that's going to happen. Yeah, is what I yeah, so,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, that's a great way to put it, Chuck. Um.
Speaker 1: The thing to remember throughout all this is, um Dave
Speaker 1: puts it really really well. They're not trying to scare
Speaker 1: you away. They want you to come back again. This
Speaker 1: is just part of like this ritual, this process that's
Speaker 1: developed over the decades. Um. And there's some things that
Speaker 1: you can expect, uh and can prepare yourself ahead of time.
Speaker 1: There's tons of off color jokes, UM, mostly sex jokes.
Speaker 1: They're almost exclusively sex jokes, UM, sophomoric sex jokes. You
Speaker 1: can't expect to hear the movie. You're not going to
Speaker 1: sit down and watch a movie. That's not what you're
Speaker 1: going to do. It reminds me of um, remember I
Speaker 1: can't remember what concert it was on The Simpsons, but
Speaker 1: everybody else is standing up and auto sitting down, you know,
Speaker 1: the Rocker bus driver and you go sit down, sit down,
Speaker 1: You're ruining it for the rest of I can just
Speaker 1: imagine somebody going to a midnight screening of Rocky horor
Speaker 1: Picture Show and just expecting to sit there and watch
Speaker 1: the movie. You know. Yeah, I mean, if you have
Speaker 1: hang ups and if you're maybe a little prude about
Speaker 1: things like this may not be the experience for you
Speaker 1: because there will be people in various states of undress,
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, tons of body body sex jokes, and
Speaker 1: it's just a sort of a raucous good time. Um.
Speaker 1: But again, my recommendation, this is what I'm gonna do,
Speaker 1: is just go and say yes to everything. If you're
Speaker 1: a virgin, they may um drag you up there and
Speaker 1: teach you the time warp during that point in the movie. Uh,
Speaker 1: they you might get sprayed when when it's the rain.
Speaker 1: I mean I think everyone kind of gets sprayed when
Speaker 1: it rains. I think they tend to aim for the virgins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but just again, if you're not up for sort of
Speaker 1: a fun, interactive, uh multi media experience, then maybe just
Speaker 1: don't go right Yeah, and if you are a prude,
Speaker 1: this is your big chance to break out of your shell. Yeah, totally, so, Chuck,
Speaker 1: I say we take another break and we'll come back
Speaker 1: with more on the Rocky Horror Picture Show. Sorry, Um,
Speaker 1: we should probably say we've been using some antiquated terms
Speaker 1: for transgender people, but it's because it's part of the
Speaker 1: movie and I think the movie is so iconic and
Speaker 1: so in favor of gender fluidity. And this is decades
Speaker 1: before where we are today, when gender fluidity has really
Speaker 1: broken out, and I mean it's basically become mainstream in
Speaker 1: a lot of ways. Um, this is forty five, almost
Speaker 1: fifty years before, right, Um, So, I think that the
Speaker 1: popularity and the iconic nous of the movie has actually
Speaker 1: kind of given a pass that no one's offended by
Speaker 1: by the use of transvestite or trans sexual in the
Speaker 1: context of that movie. Yeah, I think everyone understands these
Speaker 1: were the terms of the time. When they did the
Speaker 1: remake with Laverne Cox, who is a new Laverne Cox
Speaker 1: from Orange is a new black but great transgender actress
Speaker 1: to play Frankenfurter, I think she was even like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, should we update this a little bit, and
Speaker 1: then finally decided no, the song is so iconic. These
Speaker 1: were the terms of the day. And again, it's a
Speaker 1: It is a blatant love letter. And I believe Richard
Speaker 1: O'Brien identifies as trans if I'm not mistake in Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh so, I mean it's a It is for this
Speaker 1: group of people, this group of people who felt like
Speaker 1: they were outsiders, who maybe didn't belong in uh, in
Speaker 1: mainstream society, and these are the people who got dressed
Speaker 1: up and we went down there and we're so creative
Speaker 1: and sort of building this culture around it, like it
Speaker 1: is a very and always has been a very safe
Speaker 1: space for for that to occur. And so, um, it's
Speaker 1: just a great movie for a lot of reasons, and
Speaker 1: that's certainly one of them. Yeah, I can't imagine how
Speaker 1: many kids in like Indiana and Iowa and Kansas and Georgia. Uh,
Speaker 1: we're just had the opportunity to find themselves when they
Speaker 1: found like midnight showings of Rocky Horror Picture Show and
Speaker 1: like the people who were there that were like them,
Speaker 1: that were and this was the only place in their
Speaker 1: life that they could go and just be themselves like that.
Speaker 1: It's really sad to think of, but it's also really
Speaker 1: heartening to think that they finally did find that place,
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely, and you know what it did was
Speaker 1: it was like, um, it created an excuse to put
Speaker 1: on the corset and the high heels. Uh if although
Speaker 1: you really need an excuse, but if you were someone
Speaker 1: struggling with that, you know in the nineties seventies, especially
Speaker 1: with uh, with your gender fluidity and like just to
Speaker 1: have a reason like no, mom and dad, like it's
Speaker 1: a movie thing. You wear these costumes, and like it
Speaker 1: gave them a reason to actually go and be themselves.
Speaker 1: And Tim Curry over the years and Richard O'Brian had
Speaker 1: both received you know, just hundreds and thousands of of
Speaker 1: letters and and shout outs from people that said, you
Speaker 1: know that confirm all of this. They said, like I
Speaker 1: was able to be myself and I was able to
Speaker 1: come out because of you and because of this film
Speaker 1: and what it did. So it's been a really sort
Speaker 1: of heartwarming thing, I think, um, for the for the
Speaker 1: creators and the actors. Yeah, no, for sure. And what again,
Speaker 1: one of the other reasons that it gets it passes
Speaker 1: because that that show is so um reaffirming that one
Speaker 1: of Tim Curry's lines is actually in one of the
Speaker 1: songs is don't dream it be it, And um, people
Speaker 1: just latch onto that because if you just stop and
Speaker 1: think about what it's saying, like that's that's that's kind
Speaker 1: of all you need to know. It's almost like the
Speaker 1: camp be version of uh Yoda's there do or do not?
Speaker 1: There is no try kind of thing. You know, if
Speaker 1: you build it, they will come. There are all sorts
Speaker 1: of classic movie lines there are, and that is one
Speaker 1: of them. No, it is. It is a super empowering statement,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know it's it's the kind of thing
Speaker 1: where I don't think Richard O'Brien really maybe thought about
Speaker 1: that specific line too much at the time, but it
Speaker 1: ends up having so much meaning later on. Uh. And
Speaker 1: you know, kind of a fun side story that we
Speaker 1: didn't get too earlier, but Tim Curry lived near the
Speaker 1: Waverley UH in Greenwich Village in New York when this
Speaker 1: was going on, and apparently wanted to go and like
Speaker 1: make an appearance and just knock everyone sucks off and
Speaker 1: called ahead to the theater. Um even showed up. Um
Speaker 1: they let him in, and then I guess it was
Speaker 1: a couple of It sounds like a couple of rogue
Speaker 1: theater attendants that hadn't let him in were like, no,
Speaker 1: this guy's a fake, Like let's get him out of here,
Speaker 1: and they literally threw Tim Curry out. He gets incensed,
Speaker 1: gets his passport and shows them, and I think it
Speaker 1: was like the manager or somebody who had the authority
Speaker 1: to let him back in was like, I'm so sorry
Speaker 1: he come back in and he was like, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: dream of it, and he left. Yes, that's how you
Speaker 1: show him, Curry, so he's like, I've got a kitten
Speaker 1: to hold in Los Angeles. That's right. Uh. There's some
Speaker 1: other pretty neat little things about the movie to um.
Speaker 1: One of the ones that I love is Easter eggs. Um,
Speaker 1: there are actual Easter eggs and hidden in the movie
Speaker 1: unintentionally because apparently they had an Easter egg hunt on
Speaker 1: the set and um, they didn't find them all. So
Speaker 1: if you really know what to look for. I I
Speaker 1: didn't see him, but you can find three different Easter
Speaker 1: eggs throughout the movie. And that's not actually the term
Speaker 1: or where the term Easter egg comes from. Strangely enough,
Speaker 1: apparently that was from an Atari game developer from nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty that that's who really coined that term and where
Speaker 1: it came into use from. I think, if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: from our Nintendo episode, that was Warren Robinette, who wrote
Speaker 1: the game Adventure and that had the first Easter egg.
Speaker 1: Oh is that right? I'm pretty sure I saw a
Speaker 1: guy named Steve Wright. Oh really, yeah, coined the term. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I think the first Easter egg was an adventure though,
Speaker 1: but maybe I got you, I got you? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: what else? Chuck Well, Susan Sarandon, who was uh, they
Speaker 1: were all very young. They're on they're sort of late twenties,
Speaker 1: early thirties when they're making this. Um. She got pneumonia.
Speaker 1: Um not too long after she got there. And they
Speaker 1: shot this movie at at a real old English castle
Speaker 1: named Oakley Court, which is now a luxury hotel, even
Speaker 1: though I think at the time it was falling apart
Speaker 1: such that the owners wanted to raise the place. UM,
Speaker 1: So they shooted in this legit, drafty old castle. She
Speaker 1: gets there, she's got pneumonia. She's half undressed for half
Speaker 1: the movie. There's a scene in a swimming pool. She's
Speaker 1: freezing to death and feverish. You know that's cold chills
Speaker 1: and apparently just had a pretty rough go but was
Speaker 1: like game through all of it, well even worse, and
Speaker 1: I saw this confirmed by her. Um, She's like, you
Speaker 1: have to get me some heated place to to like
Speaker 1: be sick in between takes. So they gave her a
Speaker 1: trailer and it did in fact have heat, there were
Speaker 1: space heaters in it, but they ended up burning the
Speaker 1: trailer down. It was that kind of shoot. That's amazing.
Speaker 1: Another bit of trivia that all rocky horror fans know.
Speaker 1: But those disembodied lips at the beginning were the lips
Speaker 1: of Patricia Quinn, who played Magenta and u Hurette. But
Speaker 1: Uh and signed on with the idea that she was
Speaker 1: going to sing that song, and she said she loved it.
Speaker 1: I think she said it was like the most beautiful
Speaker 1: song she'd ever heard at the time. But when it
Speaker 1: came time to actually sing the song, Richard O'Brien sang it,
Speaker 1: and Patricia Quinn I think, somewhat disappointedly lip syncd it.
Speaker 1: She was really mad about that. She had basically joined
Speaker 1: the cast originally UH for the stage show too, because
Speaker 1: of that song, and so she thought she would have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to do it in the movie. And I
Speaker 1: guess he had her sing And she didn't find out
Speaker 1: until the movie was released, till she saw it that
Speaker 1: she she wasn't the one who was singing it at
Speaker 1: the beginning. Not cool, no, But I think it was
Speaker 1: a good move because if you listen, I don't think
Speaker 1: it would be the same with her singing yeah, And
Speaker 1: I think it it definitely. Like you said with meat
Speaker 1: Loaf was he had been in Hair right before this,
Speaker 1: he had a duo album with this woman, Um, and
Speaker 1: he was sort of around, but he definitely was not
Speaker 1: a big star at all. And and Rocky horror his
Speaker 1: role as Eddie, and especially that the great great song
Speaker 1: uh Hotpituity Bless my Soul. Uh such a good song. Um.
Speaker 1: I think people saw that and they were like, there's
Speaker 1: something to this guy. Yeah, for sure, because he plays
Speaker 1: the part really really well. I mean that's a great job. Um.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of lore around it too. Uh that
Speaker 1: those people that the producers offered a bigger budget to
Speaker 1: Richard O'Brien and Jim Sharman to make the movie. Another
Speaker 1: thing to Chuck that I found fascinating. Um, you mentioned
Speaker 1: before that the producers had wanted to kind of stack
Speaker 1: the film version with like rock stars. Um, there's tons
Speaker 1: of legends about who those were. Share David Bowie, Mick Jagger,
Speaker 1: Um as Dr Frankfort would have been pretty good. Actually yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, know he's the only person I could see
Speaker 1: doing justice to that role. Let me just say that
Speaker 1: I'm not saying better than Tim Curry, but it would
Speaker 1: be fascinating to go see for sure. Yeah. Um, so
Speaker 1: the one that does seem to be actually legitimate that
Speaker 1: the producers actually did float was Elvis as Eddie replacing
Speaker 1: meat Loaf with Elvis seventies six Elvis. Wow, yeah, that
Speaker 1: was near the end. Yeah, and then it was basically
Speaker 1: it would be a cool cameo for him. That would
Speaker 1: have been Oh man, I'm just trying to wrap my
Speaker 1: head around what that would have been. Like. I mean,
Speaker 1: he would have been great in that role and singing
Speaker 1: that number. But can you imagine what kind of like
Speaker 1: up people that would have thrown that production into Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean completely imbalanced the movie too. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: you've got all these people who are doing this thing
Speaker 1: because they love it. And there's Elvis too, you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: like Vegas Elvis. Yeah, exactly. Did you see that movie
Speaker 1: at the Elvis movie? Uh? No, another boss Lerman would Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. It's worth seeing. It's it's it
Speaker 1: was I think I might have even mentioned it before.
Speaker 1: It's a bit much, but the the actor does such
Speaker 1: a great job in recreating those performances. It's it's worth
Speaker 1: it for that. Um. There's also a little known sequel,
Speaker 1: the Rocky Horror Picture Show. I did not know this
Speaker 1: until a couple of days ago. Yeah, I knew about it.
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. It's called Shock Treatment, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it was sort of a loose sequel. Uh did
Speaker 1: not catch on obviously like Rocky Horror did at all.
Speaker 1: It was it was basically a big flop. I just
Speaker 1: remember seeing when I worked at the video store and
Speaker 1: Athens at Vision Video. I remember seeing the cover uh
Speaker 1: of Shock Treatment and Countain. I was like, what is
Speaker 1: this even and then found out later that it was
Speaker 1: a sequel. Got you, Um, you got anything else? I
Speaker 1: got nothing else. I'm gonna go. I encourage uh, everyone
Speaker 1: else to go that maybe they'll be fun to get
Speaker 1: some stuff. You should know local listeners to all go
Speaker 1: on a certain night. That's a great idea. Also, if
Speaker 1: you want to find you know where you can see
Speaker 1: one by your house. The Rocky Horror site Rocky Horror
Speaker 1: dot com um actually has a pretty good list around
Speaker 1: the country and I think around the world too, because
Speaker 1: they do it in England. But I've heard they are
Speaker 1: way more reserved than one you would go to in America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so. So that's it for Rocky Horror Picture Show.
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it, hope it was worth it.
Speaker 1: Stuff you should know, Army, thanks for the idea. Uh
Speaker 1: and since I said thanks for the idea, it's time
Speaker 1: for listener mail. Yeah. Before we get into that, though,
Speaker 1: we always like to give our end of the year
Speaker 1: well wishings to everyone who got us through another year.
Speaker 1: And uh, I believe your lovely wife has a birthday
Speaker 1: coming up to right. Yeah, when this comes out, it
Speaker 1: will be right around Yumi's birthday. Happy birthday, and really
Speaker 1: coolly in real time, it's right around Emily's birthday, So
Speaker 1: happy birthday Emily too. It's right her birthdays in a
Speaker 1: few days. Yeah. Uh so thanks everyone. You know, it's
Speaker 1: been a rough few years, but I think two shown
Speaker 1: a little light on us all and uh we hope
Speaker 1: that continues. And and thanks for hanging in there and
Speaker 1: letting us keep our jobs again. Yeah, well said Chuck.
Speaker 1: You could all fire us. Please don't, though I have
Speaker 1: to do. Stop listening and we're gone. You should stop
Speaker 1: putting ideas in people's heads, agreed. Yeah, well from us
Speaker 1: and from Jerry and all of the gang who work
Speaker 1: on stuff you should know. Happy New year. Everybody, all right,
Speaker 1: so we will do a listener mail from the Shakespeare
Speaker 1: episode about whether Shakespeare really wrote all that stuff? That
Speaker 1: is maybe one that's my new favorite episode. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I loved that episode. I thought it was so fascinating.
Speaker 1: It was just a really a good episode. Aw I
Speaker 1: love that. Hey guys enjoyed the podcast. I have to
Speaker 1: admit I am an oxford Ian believer that the seventeenth
Speaker 1: Earl of Oxford was the real Shakespeare. Many facts about
Speaker 1: the Earl's life and its reflection in the plays are
Speaker 1: very convincing. But I also was intrigued by the Earl's
Speaker 1: own family crest being a lion brandishing a spear. The
Speaker 1: history of the Earl being a part of the Elizabethan
Speaker 1: court life, as well as his travels to Italy and
Speaker 1: his family life mirror so much in the place. I
Speaker 1: had the bad form when visiting Stratford upon Avon h
Speaker 1: the Shakespeare family home. They're having a discussion with another
Speaker 1: visitor about Edward de Vere possibly being the truth. Shakespeare
Speaker 1: tour guide was rushing us out. Thanks for the fun discussion.
Speaker 1: That is from Dana B. Goward. Dania got booted from
Speaker 1: Stratford upon Avon, I love it. Run out of town.
Speaker 1: I could see that being a bad place to mention that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was hoping we would hear from some Oxfordians though. Yeah,
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