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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and Jerry's here too, and it's a super awesome,

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Speaker 2: amazing last episode of the year episode. I can't think

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Speaker 1: I guess people, it's a spoiler of what the show

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Speaker 1: is about already, because you've seen the title as a listener, right,

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Speaker 1: But this is courtesy of the Stuff you Should Know Army.

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Speaker 1: Came straight from them. We got emails that said, hey,

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Speaker 1: the Stuff you should Army is chattering about Rocky Horror

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Speaker 1: Picture show they have been shivering with and tsut patient.

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Speaker 2: Very nice.

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Speaker 1: And so this is it Stuff you should Know Army.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh and also in return, you guys, if you

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Speaker 1: I totally agree, and I'm super excited for this episode.

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Speaker 1: Our year is winding down. Yeah, just so you know

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Speaker 1: in real time, you know, Josh and I always take

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Speaker 1: a nice long extended Christmas break from recording, and it

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Speaker 1: has gotten bigger and bigger every year, and this year,

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say how long we have off from recording,

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Speaker 1: but it's a nice, unprecedented break to chunk of change

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Speaker 1: and where we love doing the show. But that Christmas

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Speaker 1: December downtime is a wonderful thing for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. We work hard through throughout the year, so hard,

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Speaker 2: so you better treat us right. So let's go start

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Speaker 2: talking about Rocky Horror Picture Show. Quick question, Are you

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Speaker 2: a virgin?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So I guess I should quickly go over we

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Speaker 1: should both kind of go over our history with this.

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Speaker 1: I have never been to a live in the movie

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Speaker 1: theater Rocky Horror Picture Show showing, which includes, as you

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Speaker 1: will see, the shadow cast, all the fun of the

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Speaker 1: audience participation. I have seen it. I remember when it

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Speaker 1: finally came to home video. It took a long time,

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Speaker 1: it wasn't like one of those. It was just always

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Speaker 2: Oh I remember movies like that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So there was like a lot of fanfare when

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Speaker 1: Rocky Horror finally came to home video, and I really

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Speaker 1: got into it for a while there, watching it with

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Speaker 1: six or eight times. Oh okay, yeah, so I am

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Speaker 1: technically a virgin, but I'm gonna go now, like I

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the group that puts on the shadow

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Speaker 2: cast is called Lips Down on Dixie the Plaza Theater. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it sounds like a good time for sure.

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Speaker 1: What's your deal?

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Speaker 2: I have not ever been either, and I thought that

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Speaker 2: I wasn't a virgin. I thought if you had seen

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Speaker 2: the movie, you were not a virgin. No, you're right

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Speaker 2: if you have to go to a live screening of

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Speaker 2: I've seen it a bunch of times too. I love

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Speaker 2: the soundtrack. Soundtrack is really good. To clean the house too.

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Speaker 1: I watched quite a bit of it today too, not

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Speaker 1: Curry's legendary sweet transvestite song and that entrance in that performance.

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Speaker 2: For people who've never seen a Rocky Horror picture show,

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Speaker 2: it is a bizarre musical campfest that Dave, who helps

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Speaker 2: if if you don't mind me sharing it. Affectionate mockery.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like an affectionate homage slash mockery, I think, right.

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Speaker 2: So it's a send up of fifties sci fi and

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Speaker 2: It has a timeless quality to it. Weirdly enough.

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Speaker 2: Not at all anywhere near as serious or not serious

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so they start out as just as whitebread as

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Speaker 1: I totally agree. So again not to give too much

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Speaker 1: Tim Curry character who in that great song Sweet Transvestite.

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Speaker 1: that's kind of the plot. I mean, all kinds of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So that's the movie. And it didn't

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Speaker 1: And he was thirty one years old by the way

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Speaker 2: he played riff raff in the stage production too, right.

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Speaker 2: This was before Netflix, by the way, This before Netflix.

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Speaker 2: So the whole thing that kick this off was really

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Speaker 2: asked him, and he wrote science Fiction Double Feature, which

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Speaker 2: the movie Rocky Horror Picture Show, where, even if you

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Speaker 1: Oh, I don't see how I couldn't have held onto

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if he was aware of that

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00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: or not, but or if he was just pressing in

435
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 2: about it. But yeah, I think by nineteen seventy six

436
00:23:55,640 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 2: April first, nineteen seventy six. The tradition of showing Rocky

437
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: Horror Picture Show at midnight started in Greenwich Village, actually

438
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: at the Waverley Theater. And this, this is the thing

439
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 2: about Rocky Horror Picture Show. Up to this point, we've

440
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 2: been talking about a stage play, a movie, and it's

441
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 2: been following a pretty standard trajectory. The movie was just

442
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 2: panned and it got shelved, but they were still showing

443
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 2: it here there because it was weird enough that Greenwich

444
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 2: Village would have gone crazy for it. Where Rocky Horror

445
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: Picture Show differs is what happens at the midnight showings,

446
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,359
Speaker 2: and that is the audience participation that Roger Ebert said

447
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: would really kind of make the movie better. And it

448
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: just it's what makes Rocky Horror Picture Show Rocky Horror

449
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 2: Picture Show, or at the very least, it's what has

450
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: made it continue on all these years.

451
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I mean, I think it's grossed over

452
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty million dollars now total, Yeah, over

453
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: the years. And this is a movie that did never

454
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: get a nationwide release, which is remarkable.

455
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: And I think it's also the longest running theatrical film

456
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 2: release in movie history too.

457
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: It's gotta be.

458
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's as far as I understand it is.

459
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Plaza does it still twice a month. They're

460
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 1: doing it tomorrow, and I'm not gonna go tomorrow because

461
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: Emily's birthday parties tomorrow night. But I'm gonna I'm gonna

462
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 1: go soon. And they mercifully started at eleven o'clock because

463
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about it, I was like, am

464
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,280
Speaker 1: I really gonna go somewhere at midnight? Like listeners that

465
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: aren't fifty years old yet may not understand you don't

466
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 1: go somewhere at midnight anymore. When you're fifty years old.

467
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:47,120
Speaker 2: You've been asleep for a couple of hours by then

468
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 2: on many nights that it's true, And like even the

469
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: thought of it makes me tired. It's like, I can't,

470
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 2: I can't do that.

471
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick out a nice time though, when my

472
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: daughter is like staying at my mom's and I'm gonna

473
00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make sure I do this. That's awesome because

474
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,600
Speaker 1: I did watch a lot of the a lot of

475
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,560
Speaker 1: YouTube videos of the participation, and it just looks like

476
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: so much fun.

477
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: So what's interesting about this is that audience participation and

478
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: everything that kind of you that you would experience when

479
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 2: you went to a Rocky Horror Picture Show live screening

480
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 2: today just kind of happened organically. Little bit by little bit,

481
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: people around the country and around the world started kind

482
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 2: of contributing, and those ideas would just spread and burgeon

483
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 2: and become part of the Rocky Horror Picture Show experience.

484
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: And the whole thing started because the Waverly showed this

485
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: this movie enough times and the manager would get the

486
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 2: crowd like ready for it by playing the soundtrack to

487
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: the stage show. So by the time people had come

488
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 2: a few times to see the movie, they had memorized

489
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 2: the lyrics generally because they're pretty catchy lyrics, and that

490
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: kind of created like this idea of people who really

491
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: kind of knew this movie and could sing along and

492
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: talk along and just they just kind of absorbed it

493
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: into their cells.

494
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so people are singing the song during the run

495
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: up to the showing of the film. And by the way,

496
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: big thanks to Dave got a lot of this stuff,

497
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: and we got a lot of our extra stuff from

498
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: the official Rocky Horror Picture Show fansite Rocky Horror dot

499
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,679
Speaker 1: com founded by Salpiro. Just a wealth of information and

500
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: a love letter to the film. It's a fun website,

501
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: but they're pre showing it. They're singing these songs. And then,

502
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: according to the legend, on Labor Day of nineteen seventy six,

503
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 1: Labor Day weekend, there was a Staten Island kindergarten teacher

504
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: named I guess it's Louis or Lewis Ferreese. And this

505
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,200
Speaker 1: person was the first person, as far as the legend goes,

506
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: to yell something back at the screen when something happened

507
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: on the screen, And that was when Susan Sarandon gets

508
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: out in the rain at the beginning of the film,

509
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: puts a newspaper over her head to act as an umbrella,

510
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,199
Speaker 1: and supposedly he yelled out by an umbrella, you cheap expletive,

511
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 1: and supposedly that started the callouts.

512
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you can actually if you're watching the movie,

513
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 2: you don't even have to have gone to a live showing.

514
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: You can pick out the exact moment. Like the people

515
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 2: who made this movie were knew enough to make a movie,

516
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 2: but they also didn't know enough to make a movie

517
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 2: that like, you know, moved along really quickly. There's this

518
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 2: moment where you're watching Brad and Janet get out of

519
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: the car and then walk around the car, just stuff

520
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: that an editor normally would cut out. And so I

521
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 2: just the fact that that was left in and triggered

522
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: that guy to say that it's almost like the movie

523
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 2: they encouraged it itself. I just think that's so fascinating.

524
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it just definitely seems like a movie where just

525
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: fate had so many little hands in it, if you

526
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: believe that kind of thing. So people started dressing up

527
00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: a little more and more, and this was mainly in

528
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: the lead up to Halloween nineteen seventy six. Then Halloween

529
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: came and went and people were still dressing up, and

530
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 1: people started bringing props. I think the original prop was

531
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: they would tear up their programs to use this confetti

532
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: in the wedding scene, and then they were like, why

533
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: don't we just bring rice? And then all of a

534
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: sudden they were bringing all kinds of props to use

535
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 1: during the film. So now you have people singing along,

536
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: you have people in costume, people shouting back at the

537
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: screen at various well timed points, and then you have

538
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: these props.

539
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: Right, and all of this is happening mostly at the

540
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,239
Speaker 2: Waverley Theater, but there's theaters in other cities that are

541
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,479
Speaker 2: showing the movie as well, And so somebody from New

542
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: York might go see a midnight showing in San Francisco,

543
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, all the stuff that they've

544
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 2: been developing in New York, this one New Yorker is

545
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 2: just schooling the San Francisco Rocky horror fans. And it

546
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: just spread very quickly like that, I mean like really quickly,

547
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: and again, like I was saying earlier, it just became

548
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: this cohesive whole that now if you go to one

549
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,479
Speaker 2: of these shows, like, this is what's going to happen.

550
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 2: These are the props at these certain times, and all

551
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 2: of it just happened organically.

552
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, which is really remarkable in a pre internet age. Yeah,

553
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: that this can spread through word of mouth like that strongly,

554
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: But that's exactly what happened. And then so you've got

555
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,719
Speaker 1: all these people dressed up, you have people knowing all

556
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: these songs and the movie by heart basically, and apparently

557
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: in the balconies of some of these theaters, people would

558
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: sort of be acting out the movie and then they

559
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: were like, why don't we just go down front under

560
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: the screen, or a lot of times there's a stage

561
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: under the screen in front of the screen, and let's

562
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 1: just do it down there. And then the literal re

563
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: enactment of the full film with full cast was born

564
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: via something that was dubbed shadow casting.

565
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like beat for beat, there are people

566
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: acting out the movie in front of the movie screen.

567
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 2: That is like the just now of going to see

568
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: Rocky Horror Picture Show in the theater. And apparently Michael

569
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: Wolfson is credited for coming up with the Rocky Horror

570
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 2: Review the first organized shadow cast back in nineteen seventy

571
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 2: six seventy seven, and so he may have been the

572
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 2: person who thought of this at least putting it on

573
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: stage in front of the screen. But I mean it's

574
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:34,160
Speaker 2: not just people going in their street clothes like acting

575
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: this out. Like people are in full costume, full makeup.

576
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 2: I think that depending on riffraff changes costumes. So some

577
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: people come as igor riffraff, other people come as sci

578
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: fi riffraff, right, so they'll be like they'll alternate who's

579
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 2: doing what depending on the scene. And by the way,

580
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: there is a sci fi riffraff statue in Richard O'Brien's

581
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 2: hometown in New Zealand. Oh wow, it's pretty cool looking too.

582
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: I'm curious how the hierarchy of this because it's obviously

583
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: all pre cast for the shadow cast. Like I don't

584
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: think I could just show up as a virgin dressed

585
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: like Brad and be like I want to be Brad tonight.

586
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I have no idea. That's a

587
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: fascinating question, Like how how does that evolve? Like in

588
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: a local, local place, like clearly in Atlanta it's organized.

589
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: There's like a group that does it. But I mean, like,

590
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: how do you how do you join that group? I

591
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: don't know.

592
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: I guess you know, you get on their mailing list,

593
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: you should, you show up at their meetings, right, and

594
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: you start agitating for a role.

595
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 2: Man, I foresee Chuck's future here. Oh that the good?

596
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: And of course it too. Uh So Richard O'Brien gets

597
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 1: wind of this in the seventies, that what's going on,

598
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 1: and it's just obviously as you would expect, completely knocked

599
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: out and flattered. And it was like, you know, this

600
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: movie has it all. It's fun, it's campy. You got

601
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: the audience up there, you've got the movie playing, you've

602
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: got these people acting it out I'm three for three

603
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: and not in a haughty way, but just super proud

604
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: I think. And then shadow casting spread. There's all kinds

605
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: of midnight movies now where people shadow cast, and one

606
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: that is a great one to check out if you

607
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: ever can, and very heavily influenced music wise too, I

608
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: think is Head Big and The Angry Inch.

609
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. They also do Clue apparently, which is another Tim

610
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: Curry great film.

611
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: Oh god, it's so good.

612
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: So if you go, like we said, you are a virgin,

613
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: and at the very beginning of the show, somebody will

614
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 2: come out with a microphone and get everybody pumped up

615
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 2: and ask the virgins to all stand up, and once

616
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: you stand up, people around you will probably put a

617
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: V on your forehead with lipstick. That's the first thing

618
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 2: that's probably going to happen to you. I love it.

619
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: That's the worst thing that's going to happen. Yeah, just

620
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: say yes is what I recommend.

621
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, yeah, that's a great way to put it, Chuck.

622
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 2: The thing to remember throughout all this is Dave puts

623
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 2: it really really well. They're not trying to scare you away.

624
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: They want you to come back again. This is just

625
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: part of like this ritual, this process that's developed over

626
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: the decades, and there's some things that you can expect

627
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: and can prepare yourself ahead of time. There's tons of

628
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: off color jokes, mostly sex jokes. They're almost exclusively sex jokes,

629
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 2: sophomoor sex jokes. You can't expect to hear the movie.

630
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 2: You're not going to sit down and watch a movie.

631
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,680
Speaker 2: That's not what you're going to do. It reminds me

632
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: of remember I can't remember what concert it was on

633
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: The Simpsons, but everybody else is standing up and auto

634
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:56,440
Speaker 2: sitting down. You know the rocker bus driver, Oh yeah, yeah,

635
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: and he goes sit down, sit down. You're ruining it

636
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 2: for the rest of us. I can just imagine somebody

637
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 2: going to a midnight screening of Rocky Horror Picture Show

638
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 2: and just expecting to sit there and watch the movie.

639
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: You know.

640
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, if you have hang ups and if

641
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: you're maybe a little prude about things like this may

642
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: not be the experience for you because there will be

643
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: people in various states of undress, like you mentioned, tons

644
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: of body body sex jokes, and it's just a sort

645
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: of a raucous good time. But again, my recommendation this

646
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do is just go and say

647
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,879
Speaker 1: yes to everything. If you're a virgin, they may drag

648
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,879
Speaker 1: you up there and teach you the time warp during

649
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 1: that point in the movie. You might get sprayed when

650
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: it's the rain. I mean, I think everyone kind of

651
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 1: gets sprayed when it rains.

652
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 2: I think they tend to aim for the virgins.

653
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, but just again, if you're not up for sort

654
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 1: of a fun, interactive multi media experience, then maybe just

655
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: don't go right.

656
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and if you are a prude, this is your

657
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 2: big chance to break out of your shell. Yeah, totally, So, Chuck,

658
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 2: I say we take another break and we'll come back

659
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: with more on the Rocky Horror Picture Show stoft We Josh,

660
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 2: we should probably say we've been using some antiquated terms

661
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 2: for transgender people, but it's because it's part of the movie. Yeah,

662
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: And I think the movie is so iconic and so

663
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 2: in favor of gender fluidity. And this is decades before

664
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 2: where we are today, when gender fluidity has really broken out,

665
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: and I mean it's basically become mainstream in a lot

666
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 2: of ways. This is forty five, almost fifty years before, right, Yeah,

667
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 2: So I think that the popularity and the iconicness of

668
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 2: the movie has actually kind of given it a pass

669
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: that no one's offended by the use of transvestite or

670
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: transsexual in the context of that movie.

671
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think everyone understands these were the terms of

672
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 1: the time. When they did the remake with Laverne Cox,

673
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 1: who is a new Laverne Cox from Orange Ise and

674
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: New Black, but a great transgender actress to play Frankenfurter,

675
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: I think she was even like, oh, you know, should

676
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: we update this a little bit, and then finally decided no,

677
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: the song is so iconic. These were the terms of

678
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: the day. And again, it's a it is a blatant

679
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 1: love letter. And I believe Richard O'Brien identifies as trans

680
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken. So I mean it's it is

681
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: for this group of people, this group of people who

682
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: felt like they were outsiders, who maybe didn't belong in

683
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: mainstream society. And these are the people who got dressed

684
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: up and who went down there and were so creative

685
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: and sort of building this culture around it like it

686
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: is a very and always has been a very safe

687
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: space for that to occur. And so it's just a

688
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 1: great movie for a lot of reasons and that's certainly

689
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: one of them.

690
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine how many kids in like Indiana

691
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 2: and Iowa and Kansas and Georgia were just had the

692
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 2: opportunity to find themselves when they found like midnight showings

693
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: of Rocky Horror Picture Show and like the people who

694
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: were there that were like them, that were and this

695
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: was the only place in their life that they could

696
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 2: go and just be themselves like that. It's really sad

697
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 2: to think of, but it's also really heartening to think

698
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: that they finally did find that place, you know.

699
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you know what it did was it was

700
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: like it created an excuse to put on the corset

701
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 1: and the high heels if you really need an excuse,

702
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: but if you were someone struggling with you know, in

703
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies, especially with your gender fluidity, and like

704
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 1: just to have a reason like no mom and dad,

705
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: like it's a movie thing, you wear these costumes and

706
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: like it gave them a reason to actually go and

707
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: be themselves. And Tim Curry over the years and Richard

708
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: O'Brien had both received you know, just hundreds and thousands

709
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: of letters and shout outs from people that said, you know,

710
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: that confirm all of this, they said, like I was

711
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: able to be myself and I was able to come

712
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: out because of you and because of this film and

713
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: what it did. So it's been a really sort of

714
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: heartwarming thing I think for the for the creators and

715
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: the actors.

716
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, for sure. And I again, one of the

717
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: other reasons that it gets to pass is because that

718
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: show is so reaffirming that one of Tim Curry's lines

719
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: is actually in one of the songs is don't dream

720
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 2: it be it, and people just latch onto that because

721
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: if you just stop and think about what it's saying,

722
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 2: like that's that's kind of all you need to know.

723
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: It's almost like the campy version of Yoda's there do

724
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: or do not? There is no try kind of thing.

725
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: You know, if you build it, they will come. There

726
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: are all sorts of classic movie lines.

727
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: There are, and that is one of them. For sure.

728
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: No, it is a super empowering statement, and you know,

729
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing where I don't think Richard

730
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: O'Brien really maybe thought about that specific line too much

731
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: at the time, but it ends up having so much

732
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: meaning later on. And you know, kind of a fun

733
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: side story that we didn't get to earlier, but Tim

734
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 1: Curry lived near the Waverley in Greenwich Village in New

735
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 1: York when this is going on, and apparently wanted to

736
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,800
Speaker 1: go and like make an appearance and just knock everyone

737
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: socks off. Yeah, and called ahead to the theater even

738
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: showed up. They let him in, and then I guess

739
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: it was a couple of it sounds like a couple

740
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: of rogue theater attendants that hadn't let him in. We're like, no,

741
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: this guy's a fake, Like, let's get him out of here,

742
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: and they literally threw Tim Curry out.

743
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: Wow.

744
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 1: He gets incensed, gets his passport and shows them, and

745
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: I think it was like the manager or somebody who

746
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: had the authority to let him back in was like,

747
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry you come back in, and he was like,

748
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: I wouldn't dream of it, and he left.

749
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 2: Oh really, yes, Wow, that's how you show him, Curry.

750
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 1: I got so He's like, I've got a kitten to

751
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: hold in Los Angeles.

752
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 2: That's right. There's some other pretty neat little things about

753
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: the movie too. One of the ones that I love

754
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 2: is Easter eggs. There are actual Easter eggs hidden in

755
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 2: the movie unintentionally because apparently they had an Easter egg

756
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 2: hunt on the set and they didn't find them all.

757
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,400
Speaker 2: So if you really know what to look for, I

758
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: didn't see him, but you can find three different Easter

759
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,280
Speaker 2: eggs throughout the movie. And that's not actually the term

760
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: or where the term Easter egg comes from. Right, Strangely enough,

761
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 2: apparently that was from an Atari game developer from nineteen eighty.

762
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: That's who really coined that term and where it came

763
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: into use from.

764
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: I think, if I'm not mistaken from our Nintendo episode,

765
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 1: that was Warren Robinette, who wrote the game Adventure and

766
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 1: that had the first Easter Egg.

767
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 2: Oh is that right? I'm pretty sure I saw a

768
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 2: guy named Steve Wright. Oh really yeah, coined the term. Yeah,

769
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: oh okay, I think the first Easter Egg was an

770
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: adventure though, But maybe I got to coin the I gotcha,

771
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 2: I got you? Yeah?

772
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: Yeah?

773
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? What else?

774
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: Chuck Well, Susan Sarandon, who was They were all very young,

775
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 1: They're on their sort of late twenties, early thirties when

776
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:59,399
Speaker 1: they were making this. She got pneumonia not too long

777
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: after she got there. And they shot this movie at

778
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: a real old English castle named Oakley Court, which is

779
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: now a luxury hotel, even though I think at the

780
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,240
Speaker 1: time it was falling apart such that the owners wanted

781
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: to raise the place. So they shoot it in this legit,

782
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: drafty old castle. She gets there, she's got pneumonia. She's

783
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: half undressed for half the movie. There's a scene in

784
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: a swimming pool. She's freezing to death and feverish, you know,

785
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: those cold chills, And apparently just had a pretty rough

786
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 1: go but was like game through all of it.

787
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 2: Well even worse, and I saw this confirmed by her.

788
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 2: She's like, you have to get me some heated place

789
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: to be sick in between takes. So they gave her

790
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: a trailer and it did in fact have heat, there

791
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: were space heaters in it, but they ended up burning

792
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: the trailer down. It was that kind of shoot.

793
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Another bit of trivia that all rocky horror

794
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 1: fans know. But those disembodied lips at the beginning where

795
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: the lips of Patricia Quinn, who played Magenta and Usharette,

796
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: but and signed on with the idea that she was

797
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: going to sing that song, and she said she loved it.

798
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: I think she said it was like the most beautiful

799
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: song she'd ever heard at the time. But when it

800
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: came time to actually sing the song, Richard O'Brien sang it,

801
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: and Patricia Quinn, I think, somewhat disappointedly lip synced it.

802
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: She was really mad about that. She had basically joined

803
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: the cast originally for the stage show because of that song,

804
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 2: and so she thought she would have the opportunity to

805
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 2: do it in the movie, and I guess he had

806
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: her sing, and she didn't find out until the movie

807
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 2: was released, till she saw it that she wasn't the

808
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 2: one who was singing it at the beginning. Not cool, no,

809
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 2: but I think it was a good move because if

810
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: you listened, I don't think it would be the same

811
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 2: with her singing.

812
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it definitely like you said with

813
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: meat Loaf, was he had been in Hair right before this.

814
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 1: He had a duo album with this woman, and he

815
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: was sort of around, but he definitely was not a

816
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: big star at all. And Rocky Horror his role as Eddie,

817
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: and especially the great great song Hotpituity Bless My Soul,

818
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 1: such a good song. I think people saw that and

819
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: they were like, there's something to this guy.

820
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, because he plays the part really really well.

821
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 2: I mean, that does a great job. There's a lot

822
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 2: of lore around it too, that those people that the

823
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: producers offered a bigger budget to Richard O'Brien and Jim

824
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: Sharmon to make the movie. Another thing, too, Chuck, that

825
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: I found fascinating. You mentioned before that the producers had

826
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 2: wanted to kind of stack the film version with like

827
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 2: rock stars. Yeah, there's tons of legends about who those were. Chaer,

828
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: David Bowie, Mick Jagger as doctor Frank Nfer.

829
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 1: It would have been pretty good actually, yeah. But yeah,

830
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 1: he's the only person that could see doing justice to

831
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: that role. Let me just say that, I'm not saying

832
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: better than Tim.

833
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: Curry, but it'd be fascinating to go see for sure. Yeah.

834
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: So the one that does seem to be actually legitimate

835
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 2: that the producers actually did float was Elvis as Eddie,

836
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 2: replacing meat Loaf with.

837
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 1: Elvis seventy six Elvis. Wow, Yeah, that was an Eddie end.

838
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was basically it would be a cool cameo

839
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:28,439
Speaker 2: for him.

840
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: That would have been. Oh man, I'm just trying to

841
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: wrap my head around what that would have been like.

842
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he would have been great in that role

843
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: and singing that number. But can you imagine what kind

844
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: of like upheaval that would have thrown that production into.

845
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:48,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean Elvison completely imbalanced the movie too.

846
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

847
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 2: You know, you've got all these people who are doing

848
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: this thing because they love it. And there's Elvis too,

849
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, like Vegas Elvis. Yeah, exactly did you

850
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: see that movie yet? Delvis movieh No, another bos Lerman one. Yeah, No,

851
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: I haven't seen it.

852
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: It's we're seeing it's it was. I think I might

853
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 1: have even mentioned it before. It's a bit much, but

854
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: the actor does such a great job in recreating those performances.

855
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: It's it's worth it for that.

856
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,399
Speaker 2: There's also a little known sequel, the Rocky Horror Picture Show.

857
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 2: I did not know this until a couple of days ago.

858
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I knew about it. I've never seen it.

859
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 2: It's called Shock Treatment, right, Yeah, and it was sort

860
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:31,720
Speaker 2: of a loose sequel.

861
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:36,399
Speaker 1: Did not catch on obviously like Rocky Horror did at all.

862
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: It was it was basically a big flop. Yeah. I

863
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: just remember seeing when I worked at the video store

864
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 1: an Athens at Vision Video. I remember seeing the cover

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Speaker 1: of Shock Treatment and kind of was like, what is

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Speaker 2: Gotcha you got anything else?

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Speaker 1: I got nothing else. I'm gonna go. I encourage everyone

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Speaker 1: else to go that. Maybe they'd be fun to get

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Speaker 1: some stuff. You should know local listeners to all go

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Speaker 1: on a certain night.

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Speaker 2: That's a great idea. Also, if you want to find

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Speaker 2: you know where you can see one by your house.

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Speaker 2: The Rocky Horror site rocky horror dot com actually has

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Speaker 2: a pretty good list around the country and I think

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Speaker 2: around the world too, because they do it in England.

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Speaker 2: But I've heard they are way more reserved than one

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Speaker 2: you would go to in America.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: So that's it for Rocky Horror Picture Show. I hope

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Speaker 2: you enjoyed it. Hope it was worth it. Stuff you

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Speaker 2: should know. Army, thanks for the idea. And since I

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Speaker 2: said thanks for the idea, it's time for listener mail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Before we get into that, though, we always like

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Speaker 1: to give our end of the year well wishings yea

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Speaker 1: to everyone who got us through another year. And I

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Speaker 1: believe your lovely wife has a birthday coming up.

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Speaker 2: Too, right, Yeah, when this comes out, it'll be right

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Speaker 2: around Umi's birthday. Happy birthday and really coolly in real

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Speaker 2: time it's right around Emily's birthday, So happy birthday Emily too.

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Speaker 1: That's right, her birthday is in a few days. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so thanks everyone. You know, it's been a rough few years,

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Speaker 1: but I think twenty twenty two shone a little light

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Speaker 1: on us all and we hope that continues. And thanks

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Speaker 1: for hanging in there and letting us keep our jobs again.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, said Chuck.

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Speaker 1: You could all fire us.

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Speaker 2: Please don't, though, I have to do.

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Speaker 1: Stop listening and we're gone.

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Speaker 2: You should stop putting ideas in people's heads.

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Speaker 1: Agreed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, from us and from Jerry and all of

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Speaker 2: the gang who work on stuff, you should know. Happy

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Speaker 2: New Year everybody.

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Speaker 1: All right, so we will do a listener mail from

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Speaker 1: the Shakespeare episode about whether Shakespeare really wrote all that stuff?

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Speaker 2: That is maybe one of that's my new favorite episode.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I loved that episode. I thought it was

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Speaker 2: so fascinating. It was just a really good episode.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. I love that. Hey, guys enjoyed the podcast. I

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Speaker 1: have to admit I am an ox Fordian believer that

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Speaker 1: the seventeenth Earl of Oxford was the real Shakespeare.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Many facts about the Earl's life and its reflection in

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Speaker 1: the plays are very convincing, but I also was intrigued

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Speaker 1: by the Earl's own family crest being a lion brandishing

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Speaker 1: a spear. The history of the Earl being a part

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Speaker 1: of the Elizabethan court life, as well as his travels

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Speaker 1: to Italy and his family life mirror so much in

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Speaker 1: the plays. I had the bad form when visiting Stratford

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Speaker 1: upon Avon, the Shakespeare family home there, having a discussion

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Speaker 1: with another visitor about Edward de Vere possibly being the

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Speaker 1: true Shakespeare, and the tour guide was rushing us out. Wow,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the fun discussion. That is from Dana B. Goward.

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Speaker 2: Dana got booted from Stratford upon Avon. I love it.

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Speaker 2: Run out of town. I could see that being a

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Speaker 2: bad place to mention that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was hoping we would hear from some oxfordy instead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks a lot, Data, Thanks for getting in touch,

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Speaker 2: and if you want to be like Dana everybody you

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Speaker 2: can get in touch with us as well. Send us

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Speaker 2: an email to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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