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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kick Off live

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Speaker 1: On today's show, we have Giants fifth round pick. One

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Speaker 1: of the few guys we have not spoken to on

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Speaker 1: the show so far. We talked a lot of the

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Speaker 1: other guys on our Friday night and Saturday afternoon Big

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Speaker 1: Blue kick Offs, the Giants fifth round pick. Uh. He'll

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Speaker 1: be joining us, the defensive tackle um out of Miami,

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Speaker 1: So that'll be a good interview twelve thirty. But off

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Speaker 1: the top, we're gonna focus in on one of the

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Speaker 1: other Giant prospects, in fact, the prospect that I picked

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Speaker 1: right before r J McIntosh. That's Kyle Oletta, the quarterback

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Speaker 1: out of Richmond, where he had a lot of success

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Speaker 1: and really was a dominant player and did an excellent,

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Speaker 1: excellent job. And we'll be talking to his head coach

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Speaker 1: from the Richmond spy ears and he joins us. Now

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Speaker 1: Russ Huesman, who was with Kyle for two years down

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Speaker 1: there in Richmond. Uh, Russ, you got John Schmulkin, Paul

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Speaker 1: the Tina up here in nice weather for New Jersey. Good,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, thanks for joining us. We appreciate the time today.

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Speaker 1: Oh good being all with you guys. Coach, Well, coach,

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Speaker 1: let's get right to it and I'll start this way. Um.

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Speaker 1: In terms of what you asked Kyle to do down there, um,

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Speaker 1: I watched three of your games on tape to get

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Speaker 1: ready for this interview. I watched Stony Brook, I watched Delaware,

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Speaker 1: I watched Albany. I want to see some of your

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Speaker 1: games against some of your better opponents this year, and

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Speaker 1: I saw a lot of pro style route concepts. In

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Speaker 1: terms of what you asked Kyle to do. How much

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Speaker 1: in your offense does include some of the pro style

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Speaker 1: stuff that you think Kyle will be asked to do

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Speaker 1: with the Giants here in the NFL. Yeah, I mean, well,

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Speaker 1: obviously he had to go through route progressions, uh, with

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Speaker 1: did have to figure out where to go with the ball.

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Speaker 1: You know, most every time unless we were play action

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Speaker 1: taking a show. But for the most part, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he had progressions. He had to know where to go

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Speaker 1: So he did a lot of that. And he's done

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Speaker 1: You know, he's had four offensive coordinators during his time here,

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Speaker 1: a lot of different offenses to adjust to, and and

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Speaker 1: I think he's done a great job with all of them.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that, coach, because to some folks

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Speaker 1: when they get to the NFL and they talk about, well,

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Speaker 1: I had three defensive coordinators, I had four offensive coordinators.

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Speaker 1: I had so many different systems to run. I never

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Speaker 1: got to develop. I never got to be the guy

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Speaker 1: better prepare to come into the pros. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: we were different from his previous year, and I heard

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Speaker 1: You know, he was he was around some really smart people. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, the offensive coordinator was I think John Garrett, uh,

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Speaker 1: How much was he asked to do pre snaps? They

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Speaker 1: So many times over the years, I've heard offensive coordinators, quarterbacks, coaches,

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Speaker 1: We're in the gun. And uh So it had nothing

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Speaker 1: Russ Hustman, Richmond head coach. He had Kyler let it

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Speaker 1: I off from Kyle watching him on tape. He's calm

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Speaker 1: I think he was very very well coached prior to

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Speaker 1: I said, that's what a quarterback should look like right there.

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettlman the Giants GM was one of many of

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Speaker 1: When was it into your tutelage when you kind of

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Speaker 1: Watching Kyle on tape, he constantly is getting into his

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Speaker 1: got a running back that I mean, look who they're

428
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Speaker 1: comparing them to, you know what, don't make and to

429
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Speaker 1: be fair, and I don't know what you've seen or

430
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,199
Speaker 1: heard about the critics on this draft. I mean, you know,

431
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,159
Speaker 1: I definitely think that. Well, I'm gonna tell you that

432
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Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't seen or read anybody who was

433
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Speaker 1: suggested they did not have one of the top five

434
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,160
Speaker 1: drafts in the league. Some people think they had the best.

435
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 1: You're not big it, you're not big focus. But no,

436
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 1: I don't agree with that guy talking about because you know,

437
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,880
Speaker 1: in the backfield and losing yard. Nick, Yeah he does,

438
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,879
Speaker 1: because you know what, he didn't really have much of

439
00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 1: a line at Nick and fair it is Look, Nick,

440
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 1: he is, he is Dick. He is a great running back.

441
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 1: But it's also fair to say and his old head

442
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: coach at Penn State said this to me on the

443
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,400
Speaker 1: air that he will sometimes forego getting an ugly two

444
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: or three yards and try to bounce something make a

445
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 1: big play and he loses yards. That's what his that's

446
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,760
Speaker 1: what his head coach told me. So that that that

447
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 1: is a something you have to keep an eye and

448
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Speaker 1: as you move forward. That's fair, Nick, I think what

449
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: you have understand right, Yeah, But Nick, here's what. Here's what.

450
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: Here's what you gotta understand. Okay, if you're gonna to

451
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,160
Speaker 1: go to an analytics service and ask for their grades,

452
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,439
Speaker 1: then you have to widen your scope and understand that

453
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: they're strictly looking at analytics and numbers and they're not

454
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: looking at the whole package. You have to take it

455
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,119
Speaker 1: with the greatest soul, saying I don't agree with what

456
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: the guy was saying about. I'm just looking at the kid.

457
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: You know, he's a really special you know what I mean?

458
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,919
Speaker 1: And he what you just said, John, You're absolutely right,

459
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That's something though that he's

460
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,120
Speaker 1: gonna be learning, and that's what I mean, he's gonna

461
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Speaker 1: develop next. See here's my point. I think as a runner,

462
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 1: as a pure runner, I don't think a whole lot

463
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: separates Barkley from Darius Guys and Ronald Jones and those

464
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: guys as a runner, but it's the other stuff he does.

465
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 1: His ability to be a receiver gets split out wide.

466
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: That's what makes a wheel route and I can see

467
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 1: seventy five getting picked up really easy. Exactly, you got it. Anyway,

468
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: when that starts happening, guys, I mean, Eli is gonna

469
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:10,400
Speaker 1: love this kid. Elis gonna love him and Hernandez because

470
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: Hernandez came out of shaprol In High School from Vegas

471
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: on the east side of time. He came from my

472
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: side of town, you know what I mean. He's I

473
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Speaker 1: know that's just because of where he came from. So

474
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see both of those guys. It's Carter,

475
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:29,360
Speaker 1: that three or four week side linebacker. Carter can actually

476
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Speaker 1: play a variety of roles. I I tend to think

477
00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 1: he might be better off being just the sub package

478
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Speaker 1: pass rusher right now, because that's what they kind of

479
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 1: want him to do, and he's excited about that role.

480
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 1: UM imagine they could probably do one of two things

481
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Speaker 1: with Carter John I'm thinking, because I've tried to figure

482
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Speaker 1: out how Better's gonna use him, I'm thinking they got

483
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Speaker 1: a couple options here. They could either lineup opposite up Vernon,

484
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: all right, and make him the stand up on the

485
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Speaker 1: other side and see if he can be a guy

486
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Speaker 1: who can balance out Vernon in the sub package maybe

487
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: or what teams occasionally do with their stand up guys,

488
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: and this is you don't see the ton, but it

489
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: does happen. They will stand him up next to each

490
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,199
Speaker 1: other on the edge and all of a sudden, now

491
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: you got your tackle there on the edge, or maybe

492
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: your tight end, and he's got two pass rusher's standing

493
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 1: in front of him, and he's got to figure out

494
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Speaker 1: which one he's gonna deal with because he can't deal

495
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: with both of them. I could see that happening. There

496
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: might be times when Carter and Vernon are actually standing

497
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Speaker 1: next to each other. Remember also in the sub package,

498
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: when you have four down lineman, Vernon is not gonna

499
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: be standing up. He's gonna have his hand in the dirt.

500
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: Like so that's what Chandler jones. They didn't not always,

501
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 1: not always, but he had his hand in the dirt

502
00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: a good amount of the time I watched the film.

503
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: There will be times where Vernon will stand up. He's

504
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 1: he's you know, he's gonna stand up plenty but I

505
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,480
Speaker 1: think when they go to their sub packages, a lot

506
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: of times they'll have four linement having them handed their

507
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: Other times times they'll have just two down linemen have

508
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: fall four or six guys standing up the point correct, Yes,

509
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 1: you will. You will go with two down and then

510
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: you have a firehouse blitz. It's based on Bud Carson's

511
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: old system with the Pittsburgh Steelers, which is about we're

512
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 1: gonna send different combinations every time, and we're gonna give

513
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: you different looks every time, and we're gonna stand up

514
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: a bunch of guys, so you can't identify if that

515
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: guy's a safety, a linebacker or linement and it's someone

516
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: with Rex Ryan did too, Rex Ryan us. Yes, different

517
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: people standing up in the other line of scrimmage. You

518
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: don't know who's dropping, who's coming. Yet you're absolutely right

519
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 1: in that way. You will see both Carter and Vernon,

520
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,600
Speaker 1: no question. So, but I think you can also see

521
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 1: both those guys too in the sub package with their

522
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: hands down on the edge too. Absolutely, it's another look. Yeah,

523
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 1: and bet your loves looks right. That's what he does.

524
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: So I did that to that point. I agree, it's

525
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 1: everybody's right in that regard no question. Okay, before we

526
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Speaker 1: get to r J. Mackintosh, should we try to squeeze

527
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: in one more? Let's do it. Let's you do Daniel

528
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 1: Brooklyn real quickly, and I don't want to squeeze into

529
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: a ninety seconds and they like to get your points,

530
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: and so we'll get it. We'll get you after r J.

531
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: And we'll go to Daniel first. Daniel, what's up? What's

532
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: going on? How are you buddy? Guys? Yeah, I wanted

533
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 1: at first, I wanted Sam Donald. My head wanted Sam Donald,

534
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: but my heart wanted Barkley. And when we when he

535
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,199
Speaker 1: both was available in number two, I'm not gonna lie

536
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: to you, guys. I said, let's go with uh Barkley,

537
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: and you guys, it was right on the money, get

538
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: on me, guard it right on the money. He got

539
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: by and um, because you know why, I think Eli

540
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: can still play. I really think Eli can still play.

541
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: And I would hate to have a quarterback to draft

542
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:46,240
Speaker 1: the second overall, and we still have Eli. So I'm

543
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: happy it worked out the way it worked out. Yeah,

544
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: and Daniel, I think the bottom line to putting all

545
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 1: that aside, the big picture stuff, I think the Giants

546
00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: just thought Barkley was a much higher graded player than

547
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: any of the quarterbacks that were available, and I really

548
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 1: think that was the dry having factor. If if Bradley

549
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: Chubb was the highest graded player, they would have taken

550
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb. If it was Quite Nelson, they would taken

551
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: Quitte Nelson. It would say Kwan Barkley. This was a

552
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: value draft, that's all always to it. Dave Gentleman stuck

553
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: to value and I think he worked out fine. And

554
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm very excited about Will her Nadez. Should be very

555
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: excited about the line going into the training camp, but

556
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: we have Yeah, you should be looking and look the

557
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 1: Giants and we talked about it, the need for them

558
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: to rebuild their offensive line this offseason, and they've gotten

559
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: three new starters, which is I think the number Paul

560
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 1: and I were both kind of pointing at as the

561
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: amount of starters they had to bring in to really

562
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: reform it the way they wanted to, and they managed

563
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: to do it. They brought in they'd Solder patrickal Mommy,

564
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: and they drafted Will Hernandez Brett Jones back as a

565
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: center and they're gonna have a competition and right tackle.

566
00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: But we won't be in that competition. We're not taking

567
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Speaker 1: out awesome. Thank you, Daniel, appreciate the call, buddy. Uh yeah.

568
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: They still do have to figure out who the opening

569
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 1: day right tackle will be, but they have several months

570
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: to a sword through it, no question. All right, now,

571
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: let's welcome to our next guest. His name is r J. Mackintosh.

572
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: He's a Giant fifth round pick out of the you

573
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: junior six four six pounds. R J. You got John

574
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: Schmilk and Paul Detino and East Weather from New Jersey

575
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: inside the Giants practice facility. Thank you joining us today.

576
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: How's it going? It's going well man. I'm excited, man,

577
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: I'm really excited. Ready to get up there. Well, we

578
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: are excited to see r J. Why don't you kind

579
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: of give me a little thumbnail, um four Giant fans,

580
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: how you would describe your play and your game. I

581
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: think I'm a very smart gun muick off the nom always.

582
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: I had a mote um always going and I'm ready

583
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: to You know, what do you see yourself as more

584
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: of a three technique? Is that being in your primary

585
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 1: position the way you played in college? Oh yeah, yeah,

586
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: that was the free technique playing that Jah Dave Gettleman

587
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 1: had told us about you had had like a twenty

588
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 1: pound weight loss at some point before the combine from

589
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 1: when you were playing. Could you tell us what what

590
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: you went through? How difficult was that? Uh, do you

591
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: plan on building yourself up to three hundred again by

592
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: the time you get the training camp? And and how

593
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: do you feel that that will affect the style of

594
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: play that you're going to put on the field? Um? Yeah,

595
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: I had a little medical situation in matal Wood and

596
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: um yeah that, like you said, it caused me to

597
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: lose twenty pounds or something like that. And you know

598
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: that was a tough situation, especially because of the time

599
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: it happened. But um, you know, I mean about ten

600
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: or fifty pounds back, so I'm almost back to my deft. Um.

601
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I played on putting that weight back on

602
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: because only because I played with it, I felt very

603
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: comfortable with playing with it. And so I plan on

604
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: putting that on for turning from Turning camp. And you

605
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: don't get that to my my old stepp. We're drawn

606
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: by r J McIntosh giants to throw and pick out

607
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 1: of Miami and r J I at the end of

608
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: your two anthes ago you say, but I can play

609
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 1: the five, and you know that James Betcher likes to

610
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: move guys around on defense and put defensive linemen in

611
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,880
Speaker 1: different spots. How comfortable are you moving around and and

612
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: doing whatever James Betcher wants you to do? Quite frankly,

613
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: so you can get on the field and have as

614
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: many snaps on defense as possible. I'm very comfortable with that.

615
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: You know, at Miami, I'm moving around a little bit,

616
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, left side to the right side, but you

617
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: know a little bit at all, and so I'm very

618
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 1: comfortable with I'm smart. I'm smart guy. I could take

619
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: all the information in and you know, I'm really looking

620
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: forward to him. Man, you know, get work r J.

621
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: Of course, everybody knows Miami has such a great football

622
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 1: tradition and has sent so many players to the NFL.

623
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Speaker 1: Do you have a certain role model that as a

624
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 1: player that you have tried to emulate model yourself after

625
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 1: take a lot of tips from I mean again, there's

626
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: a host of Hurricanes who have made it to the pros.

627
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: Just um, well, when my favorite pairer was when he

628
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: was in the league with Ray Lewis and uh, it

629
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 1: was just because of the way he played and how

630
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: much he loved the game, and I try to, um,

631
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, take that from him, and uh, you know,

632
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 1: I don't play linebacker, but you know, it's just the

633
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: way he took the game. He approached the game he was.

634
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: He took it so serious and and he knew the offense,

635
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: all the schemes and stuff like that. So I try to, like,

636
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: because he was my favorite player, I try to like

637
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: be like him out on the tail and work hard

638
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: as hard as he did, you know. R J. We

639
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Speaker 1: talked to James Betcher a few weeks ago for the

640
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: first time with the rest of the media, and even

641
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: though he runs the three four, he's not asking his

642
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: defensive lineman to two gaps and occupy blockers and create

643
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: room for linebackers. He wants his defensive line to get

644
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: up field and penetrate. Is that something that you think

645
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: is one of the strengths of your game coming out

646
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: of you. Oh yeah, definitely on the same thing Coach

647
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: d has had us doing. I'm there mine. You know,

648
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: you want us to hit the gap and go penetrate,

649
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, made something happen in the past field,

650
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: so I'm kind of used to it, and I think

651
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: that's a faig part of my game what I had

652
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: I had did in my at Miami. Well, then, r J,

653
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, what do you think the biggest

654
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: adjustment will be as you come up to the pro ranks? Oh?

655
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 1: I mean besides obviously the everybody is talent, did everybody

656
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: is a great player? The talent there in um nfl Um,

657
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: I think be going to New York. Think New York

658
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: is a bit different, different than um Miami. Uh. I've

659
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: never been in New York. I on even heard of

660
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: great stories about it, but I'm looking forward to it.

661
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: Man society, Well, I'm gonna tell you the media is

662
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: not as nasty as they tell they make it out

663
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: to be. Trust me, we're actually a good guy, okay,

664
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: um r j Uh you mentioned a couple of times

665
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 1: in your answers without us even asking that you can

666
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 1: sit yourself a smart player. How important is preparation and

667
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: film work for you to get ready for these games

668
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: to play your best? Because you know, in the NFL,

669
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,720
Speaker 1: you're watching other teams stuff, you learn your own scheme,

670
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: it can get pretty complicated. Are you ready for that

671
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: really thick playbook that you think is gonna hit you

672
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 1: when you get up here. Oh yeah, I'm I'm ready

673
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: for it. I've always been prepared for this, you know,

674
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: already complicated. It could be in the next level. So

675
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: you know, we're preparing for this last week in my

676
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: life and work and trying not to make mistakes. You know,

677
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: you know what you want to be perfect out this

678
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,879
Speaker 1: because it's Beater I believe will be a lot faster

679
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: than So you gotta know what you're doing that you

680
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: can't be making the mistakes thinking about stuff. Final one

681
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: from me or I j um The Giants make the call,

682
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: they tell you you're gonna be a Giant. What what

683
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: is the feeling that you have knowing that over the

684
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: course of the years, the Giants have been such a

685
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: proud franchise, specifically on defense. I mean, I know you're

686
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: playing for a proud Miami Hurricane club in school, but

687
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: now you're going to to a place that's one of

688
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: the flagships of the NFL. What what kind of field

689
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: does that give you when you when you get that

690
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: phone call. When I got the phone call, yeah, I was,

691
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: I was. I mean that that my motion say, from

692
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 1: nervous to excitement. Now I was really nervous Um, you know,

693
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: sitting there watching my phone for the last couple of days. Um,

694
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: but I got so excited. She was standing there with me.

695
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: She started the crime. But it on. Oh yeah, I

696
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: was very exciting, r J. Final one for me. We

697
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: always asked these guys, ask you guys a couple of

698
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: years later, what's your draft memory? And everyone says, I

699
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: was so excited. I don't remember what the heck I

700
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: said on the phone. I don't remember what they said

701
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: to me on the phone just three days later. Do

702
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 1: you remember any of those conversations? It wasn't just such

703
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: an emotional blur that it's kind of like, I know

704
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: I said something I just don't remember. Uh. I noticed

705
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: that I was the same r J. I'm telling you, yeah, RJ,

706
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: don't feel bad. Everybody gives the same exact answer, that

707
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: it's just such a blur and you're so pumped and

708
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: they don't remember. Don't worry about It's so good, r J.

709
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: Great stuff, man, We appreciate the time. Thanks for giving

710
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: us a few minutes, and we'll see you next week

711
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: for a rookie minicamp. You can't wait to see up here.

712
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: Looking forward to it. Thank you all right, appreciate. That's

713
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: r J. McIntosh, the Giants fifth round pick out of

714
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 1: the you many another guy bubbling over? Still, how many

715
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 1: days is it now since he was picked? What don't

716
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 1: you be work your whole life to to get the dream?

717
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: And you get the dream, I'd be pumped up for

718
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: a long time. Question. Interesting in that he mentioned ray

719
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: Lewis though as a as a guy you know, he

720
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: looked up to because of his attitude and his effort

721
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: and his work ethic on the field and film work. Yeah,

722
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: that's smart. Know what's going on, you know, and even

723
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: though different position, it was all about this guy is

724
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: a dominant defensive player. And obviously he's too young to

725
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: know Lawrence Taylor, but I I appreciate the defensive mentality.

726
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna wreck this game. That's that's pretty good,

727
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 1: no question. All right, we got twenty minutes folks, us

728
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: you phones two A, one, nine, four, five on three.

729
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: Let's get right to it and say hi to Lennon Columbia, Maryland,

730
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: who held through that interview. Lenn what's going on, buddy?

731
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: How are you? Hey? Good? Good, good good interview the

732
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,720
Speaker 1: last two days really, you know, very very very good interviews,

733
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: and you know, I used to have one of my

734
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: month I think but a long time, long time mentors

735
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: in the world of work had a had an idea

736
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: about hiring people. And he used to say to me,

737
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: always hire smart people. And uh, you know, no matter

738
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 1: what's the job, they do that here, by the way,

739
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: on this very show. And I think that, you know,

740
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 1: I think the giants have kind of adopted that. These

741
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: guys sound really smart, and it looks like there's a

742
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: willingness to learn too. I'm in the idea about Loletta

743
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 1: carrying the notebook around with a pencil wherever he went

744
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 1: is kind of refreshing. Well, he's gonna fit in well

745
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: with Eli and Davis, I'll tell you that right now.

746
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Sounds like it, no question about it means like a

747
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 1: guy that loves the film war, loves to be around,

748
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 1: loves to take notes those Eli and and Davis already

749
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: to do it. I know Davis is here late Wednesday

750
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: and Thursday nights. He makes like a presentation on Friday,

751
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: all the coaches and the ELI and stuff like that.

752
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'll be right there with them, and they'll

753
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: be both doing their own separate things that will be

754
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: great and working together. Of course, there you go. Here

755
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: you go. Hey, let me let me put in a

756
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: plug for the University of Richmond. Uh letta major in

757
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: business and leadership. That leadership program at Richmond, I come

758
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: out of higher I come out of higher education. So

759
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: as as a profession. Uh that that leadership program at

760
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: Richmond is world renow. What do you teaching the leadership's? Seriously,

761
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,840
Speaker 1: I have an honest question. What do you teach in

762
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: a leadership program? I'm curious? Well, uh, you know it's

763
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: it's it's related to management. Um. You know, we need

764
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: good leaders we need um. I always saying planning and

765
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: organized these is important, but you need somebody to lead others. Um. Yeah.

766
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's like the loss. It's hard to

767
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 1: pin that. It's kind of hard to pin down and

768
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: you wonder what it's going to be all about. But um,

769
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean, the skills are important. How do you how

770
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: do you motivate p and how do you keep a

771
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: rally at a level? You know, when you're losing seven

772
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: in a row? Um, how do you keep these guys

773
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: motivated to you know, go on and and and play?

774
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: And it sounds like the folks that. Uh you know

775
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: you U T. L. Paso. We're doing a good job

776
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 1: with Hernandez and probably the other players too. Yeah. You know,

777
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: sometimes you look at those programs and you just wonder

778
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 1: some of the better coaching going on, even when those

779
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: teams are losing, you know, the land to be fair.

780
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: And I appreciate what the folks that Richmond are doing

781
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: with their course. I'm sure it's very admirable. But I

782
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: think leaders on the field, team leaders that's coming from

783
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: can be taught, right, I don't think so. I don't.

784
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: I don't think a textbook in a blackboard or a

785
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: computer can give you leadership skills when you're in the

786
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: field of battle and and and it's a live game

787
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: going on. No, no, no, no, that's that's got to

788
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,359
Speaker 1: be in here. I want to respond to what Paul

789
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: said there, and I also want to get to some football.

790
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: So hopefully I got a couple of extra seconds. Time

791
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: go ahead, we got time. The first the first discussion

792
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: you'll have in your first leadership a class is can

793
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: you be a good leader and a bad manager? And

794
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: secondarily can you be a good manager and a bad leader?

795
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: And then you begin to zero in on the leadership aspects,

796
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,840
Speaker 1: so that I'm not disagreeing with you, Paul, just a

797
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 1: little difference of opinion on you know, on what you said.

798
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: But um, all right, okay, yeah, I talked some football.

799
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to join the group. Just win, baby, Just win.

800
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just win. That's all that matters. Just win. Yeah. Yeah,

801
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: there you go, There you go go ahead, there you go.

802
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: I think that's a good summary, Paul. Thank you. Um

803
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, I'm I'm going to join

804
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: everybody else who's called in over the last three or

805
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 1: four days and even during the draft. I mean, you know,

806
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: terrific draft. Um, I would have you know, you know,

807
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: what would you have done? Kind of question? You know,

808
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: I was leaning toward Daniels and then number two pick.

809
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm not unhappy with Hernandez. I'd like the versatility with Daniels.

810
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: But he dropped. He dropped half around something. There was

811
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: something up with Daniels. I mean, he dropped there. If

812
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,760
Speaker 1: you dropped half around from the first you know, early

813
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: in the draft, there's there's there's some sort of problem

814
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: that people are rowing in on. He had medical half

815
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 1: around in round six and it doesn't make much. I

816
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 1: mean everybody's you know, Daniels Daniels at that point, Daniels

817
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: had issues Hernandez. He had knee issues though Land. Yeah. Yeah.

818
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 1: And and if what we can surmise from looking at

819
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: the Giants portfolio during their draft, they drafted guys will

820
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: all clean medical, so so chances are you could logically

821
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: assume that medical guys were not going to make it

822
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: into this into this building. Yeah, yeah, okay, I go

823
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: with that. I wish we'd had one more pick. I

824
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: wish we had a sick Yeah. I had an eye

825
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: on the kid from Wagner, the tackle from Wagon. I

826
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: forget when he went I Raven in the sixth round,

827
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: but I forget who he went to. Yeah, Um, I

828
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 1: would have liked to have gotten him. Um, you know,

829
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: McIntosh sounds like it's going to be a nice pick.

830
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: I had my eye on Settled the kids from Virginia Tech.

831
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: That picks simply as a backup to Snacks, which I

832
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: think and and also a future. I mean Snacks is

833
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: moving up in age as well. But I mean, by

834
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 1: and large, I think you will describe what they were

835
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: trying to do with Hill and Hill and McIntosh. Um,

836
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: you know the kind of positions they'll be playing in

837
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,360
Speaker 1: this defense. And all I know is in the in

838
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: the NFC East there not that there aren't collisions on

839
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: every play around the league, but man, that NFC's that

840
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:51,560
Speaker 1: line play, it's gonna be collision after collision. And that

841
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: not only that one. How about the running backs to

842
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 1: se Kwon Barkley, Ezekiel Elliott, Darius guys and then the Eagles,

843
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: you know, stable of running because they have down there.

844
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: There is a there's gonna be black and blue football

845
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: being played in the ns more than more than ever

846
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 1: one more. And I got a question for you guys,

847
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: kind of a philosophical question here, and it fits into

848
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: what you just said about the running backs, and I

849
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 1: want Paul's opinion on this as well. I'm gonna make

850
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: a statement about the philosophy behind the three four defense,

851
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: and i'd like to have your opinion on this. Here

852
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: it goes, the three four defense is designed primarily to

853
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: stop the run. Yes, tell me what you think about that. No, No,

854
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: but Len, that's that's an old school philosophy that the

855
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Giants had put in back in the eighties when LT

856
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: was here. That's that's that's not new. That's that's a

857
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: tried and true football one on one Steelers did the

858
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, you remember years ago, four three

859
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: was the dominant defense. Very few teams were playing three fours.

860
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: And this goes in cycles. It always goes in psychles.

861
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: I remember something I've heard Banks argue though, when you're

862
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,280
Speaker 1: playing a three four defense, and he would know, can itering?

863
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: He grew up in the defense where there are some vulnerabilities.

864
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 1: In the three four and the four three you have

865
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: the bigger defense eve ends setting the edge. In the

866
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: three four, you have a smaller guy as a stand

867
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 1: up rusher outside. So I think off tackle is some

868
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: of the stuff you can run against the three four

869
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: that can sometimes work. I think it really, in my

870
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 1: opinion at least, I think it really depends how you

871
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: want to run the ball. Whether the four three or

872
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: the three four is okay, is better against I'm gonna

873
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: go one further. Ultimately, it depends on how many great

874
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: players you have playing it. Okay, that's good. Hey, that's

875
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: a good one. And one of one other thing. I

876
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 1: always thought the key, and I've said this before, so

877
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: you guys have probably remember this. I think the key

878
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 1: in this three four defense is the nose tackle. In

879
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: any three four defense, it's the nose tackle. I mean,

880
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: Washington had a weakness in that three four defense in

881
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: it was it no that knows they drafted two nose

882
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: tackles in this in this you know draft. I mean,

883
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: they can't play there three four against these running backs

884
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: in the NFC e's unless they've got a nose tackle.

885
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: And I am happy it's heck that we got Snacks

886
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 1: Harrison playing for us. And obviously, you know my comment

887
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: about settled, I was just I was looking for a

888
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 1: you know, a backup um, you know, a real um.

889
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 1: You know, a guy who's really going to stand up

890
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: those blockers along the offensive line and take two guys

891
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 1: to block him. And I thought that might have been settled.

892
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: But hey, listen, if if the guys thought McIntosh was

893
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: going to be the better player and would suit what

894
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: they was trying to do with, you know, this new

895
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: modern three four, I'm okay with it. Hey, thanks for

896
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 1: taking my call, looking forward, thank you, looking forward to

897
00:46:35,480 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: hearing more about these guys. Thank you. Probably Dalvin Thomas

898
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: and somebody that can take on a pair of blockers too,

899
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: so he can. I'm not saying he's David Snacks, Harrison's

900
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,400
Speaker 1: back up. But you want to take Harrison out of

901
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 1: the backs, out of the game, you can put him

902
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: in that nose tackles spot and you'll be fine. He's capable. Um.

903
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: The one thing that Land referred to though, that the

904
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,440
Speaker 1: old three four when when Belichick put it in the

905
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: Giant said Jim Burke, okay, And and Jim Jim was

906
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 1: a short fire hydrant kind of of nose tackle who

907
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: was able to take on double teams. And that's what

908
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 1: really helped everybody else do what they do. Harry Carson

909
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: could then dominate from the inside linebacker spot. LT and

910
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: Banks could do what they wanted to do off the edge.

911
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: George Martin and Leonard Marshall could do what they wanted

912
00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:24,719
Speaker 1: to do off the edge. And and you're right, Bert

913
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 1: was the unsung hero of that defense because he occupied

914
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: so much attention that everybody else was allowed to get

915
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: singled up. So I I, Lenn, I I get what

916
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: you're saying. And again, the NFL has gone more and

917
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: more three fours in the last few years. It's it's

918
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 1: become very very popular, and it always goes in cycles.

919
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 1: Come on, it's a copycat league. And Paul, I think

920
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 1: the reason why you're seeing more and more three four

921
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: that's the dominant defense in college. I mean, I I

922
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 1: don't have the numbers, but I don't Dan watches more

923
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: college Look at the players coming out, Dan, what did

924
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 1: you say the college programs runs at three four is

925
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: opposed to a four three? I feel like, no, am

926
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 1: I wrong about that? From what I can from from

927
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 1: what I watch, it seems like they want so much

928
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: speed on the field because of the reed option, because

929
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: of the r p O s. They want more fast

930
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: guys on the field. So you want to limit the

931
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: big linemen that are on the field. You before, linebackers

932
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: on the field instead by the way half of them

933
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 1: are like now they're not even two forty and the

934
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: and then you want to try and put guys that

935
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,319
Speaker 1: can run. And I think we talked about it every year.

936
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: What do you complain about? You complain about tweeters because

937
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: those are the guys that play the outside stand the

938
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: spots in those three fours. I just think the way

939
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: athletes are being developed now more and more fit the

940
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,600
Speaker 1: three four, especially as your stand up rushers and your

941
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: traditional four down linemen in the fourth. Well, the other

942
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: thing is you're your teams that are traditional for threes,

943
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: if you want to use the word traditional, because again

944
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: they're starting to get away from that. They're gonna go

945
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 1: a lot more sub package because they want to get

946
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 1: the speedy, smaller, faster guys on the field, more athletic guys.

947
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,319
Speaker 1: So even though there'll be a base for three, they're

948
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 1: playing at a sub package. Yeah, and there'll be a

949
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: nickel more than they'll be in base right two, four

950
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,120
Speaker 1: or five on three. Let's go to Duke and Queen's

951
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: he's up next. Hi, Duke, guys, you gotta start putting

952
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: light on a timer. Duke, I hear you give me

953
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: give me some length time right now because I got

954
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: a few questions. Go ahead. First question is this One

955
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: of my concerns for Lazo Carter is that people said

956
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: he was on he was on a team on the

957
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: defense had a lot of stars, and that's why he

958
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,439
Speaker 1: didn't get as much. Like his numbers weren't as great

959
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: as they could have been. But he's going to a

960
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 1: team that has stars. So should I expect that to change?

961
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, like people change, people get

962
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 1: better over time. But he's going through a team that

963
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 1: has better stars. We have Olivia Vernion et cetera. You know,

964
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: we got a bunch of people should like, what what's up, you, duke. Honestly,

965
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 1: I iPhone never bought that that he didn't make plays

966
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: because other good players in the team, and and and

967
00:50:06,200 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: you have maybe Paul thinks differently than I do, but

968
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't buy that. To me, Lorenzo Carter is a

969
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: ridiculous athlete. He blew up the combine. He still needs

970
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: to do a better job of turning those athletic talents

971
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 1: into football skills. And I think he's a very raw

972
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,239
Speaker 1: pass rusher and he didn't get home a whole lot.

973
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: But as Pat turmer Dave Gutiman pointed out, you saw

974
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: some of those raw moves on tape of what he's

975
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: capable of doing. And now it'll be Bill mc govern

976
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: and Gary Emmanuel and James Becher's their job to get

977
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: him on the practice field, work on that technique and

978
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,000
Speaker 1: turn a great athlete into a great football player. This

979
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: is not a guy that you're get in a box.

980
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: You open the ribbon, you take the wrapping paper off,

981
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 1: you open the box, and you have a twelve sack

982
00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: guy just landed in your lap. Now, he's gonna have

983
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: to learn and develop and become a better football player.

984
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: But when you're a third round pick, you know what,

985
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: That's the case for all the third round picks. It's

986
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 1: not just him. Now, I understand this. Ro Quan Smith,

987
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at the Georgia stats right now. UM

988
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,359
Speaker 1: had a hundred and thirty seven tackles last year by far,

989
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 1: let the entire team by by like fifty sixty tackles,

990
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,839
Speaker 1: and Lorenzo Krter was third. Now, ro Kuan Smith, by

991
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: everybody's account, was gonna be a high first round ten. Okay.

992
00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:33,320
Speaker 1: So so if there's gonna be a dominant dog on

993
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:36,360
Speaker 1: the Bulldogs defense, it's gonna be ro Kuan Smith, and

994
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 1: he's gonna pile up bigger numbers than anybody else. So

995
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: I do buy some of that, But I think for me,

996
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,520
Speaker 1: the bigger reason, in addition to ro Kwan gobbling up

997
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: a lot on his own, is that, as Lorenzo Carter

998
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 1: explained to us, he was used in so many different

999
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: ways in this defense. They were constantly adjusting ing me.

1000
00:51:57,000 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: It was weak side, he was strong side, he was

1001
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: playing a little bit coverage, he was rushing the passer,

1002
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: and when you're when you're doing all these different things

1003
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: all the time, you're not gonna pile up a great

1004
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: amount of stats, you know, because you're doing you're playing

1005
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: the scheme. You're not You're not a stap monger. You're

1006
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: you're playing the scheme. Yeah, okay, another question, Um, One

1007
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: thing I found a little peculiar during the draft was

1008
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: that uh Snacks he tweeted out he said something about

1009
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: Maurice Hurst, and I was like, Okay, we could have

1010
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,839
Speaker 1: had him, but we took someone else. So always thought

1011
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: that was funny because he didn't twoot out the guy

1012
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: we actually got and said, you know, welcome to the team,

1013
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: and that thinking like, should we have gotten Maurice Hurst?

1014
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. He had some injury problems, but

1015
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: should we had taken a chance on him and maybe

1016
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: only him? Duke Maurice Hurst, in my opinion, was a

1017
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: top twenty town in this draft. He was. He was

1018
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: the best three technique in the draft. He's an unbelievable player.

1019
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus has him as one of their top

1020
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: five guys. Okay, so, um, I look based on talent,

1021
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 1: he should have been off the board. Paul and I

1022
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: don't have access to these medicals where we know how

1023
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: serious that hard condition was. So it's kind of hard

1024
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: for us to comment on whether or not the Giants

1025
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 1: should have taken them, because if the Giants doctors look

1026
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: and again I have no idea if this is true,

1027
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: and I'm just hypothetical, if they looked at the medicals

1028
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 1: and said there's a chance this guy could drop that

1029
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: on the field, you're not gonna take them. Okay, you can't,

1030
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Obviously a lot of teams

1031
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: felt that way. Yes, otherwise you want to drop to

1032
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: the fifth round. Yeah, But I dislike for us because

1033
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: are the people that we draft usually don't even stay

1034
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: on our team, So like, can we just take some

1035
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: chance to say? And I thought I thought that was

1036
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: one of the understand it, but I thought that was

1037
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,799
Speaker 1: one of the guys that we should have taken. They don't.

1038
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: This draft was not about chances, and to I would

1039
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: say this, if the Giants were like a team like

1040
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,800
Speaker 1: the Ravens, or a team like the Packers, or a

1041
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: team like the Cowboys where you had ten and eleven

1042
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 1: picks because the compensation picks and stuff, then you can

1043
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 1: roll the dice and the guy like have a lot

1044
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: the Giants only it's six pick, so they had to

1045
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: make him all count. You had to make him all count.

1046
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: Another question, um uh, Eric Flowers has gotta you know,

1047
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: Hollywood stars agent, and so there's the possibility of him leaving.

1048
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 1: And when I thought about him leaving, and I thought, well,

1049
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: what's the importance the right tackle? Because I know what

1050
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,839
Speaker 1: importance to left tackle? And so can you guys sort

1051
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: of tell me what the importance the right tackle it?

1052
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 1: I know there's different importance for each sort of lane.

1053
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,759
Speaker 1: Well can you tell me what it is for right tackle? Well,

1054
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: let me put it this way too. I don't think

1055
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 1: because he hired you, rosenhounced, that means us more than

1056
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: likely that he's gonna leave. If anything, I think if

1057
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: if well he's not gonna get it because he's on

1058
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 1: the contract and he's on his rookie deal. If anything,

1059
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: I think there's a good chance to Rosenhouse, who's a

1060
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 1: professional agent, convince him to come up here, and hopefully

1061
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 1: that happens. We'll see I think right tackle and sorry, dude,

1062
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: need to let you go because there's a lot of

1063
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: noise on your line there. The horn first, then you

1064
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,399
Speaker 1: have what a sound like a riot afterwards. So yeah,

1065
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: we had to, We had to let you go um um.

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00:54:57,600 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 1: Right tackle, in my opinion, is nearly, if not as

1067
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 1: important as left tackle these days. Look at the Giant schedule.

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00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 1: Last year they played the Raiders, Where did Khalil mac

1069
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: lineup over the right tackle? They played the Broncos? Where

1070
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: did Von Miller lineup over the right tackle? Where does

1071
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: the Redskins best defensive player, Ryan Carrogan lineup over the

1072
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: right tackle? Where does de Marcus Lawrence, the Cowboys best

1073
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 1: defensive player lineup over the right tackle? Where does Brandon Graham,

1074
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,360
Speaker 1: the Eagles best pass restaurant, lineup over the right tackle.

1075
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,800
Speaker 1: You need a good right tackle and left tackle. You

1076
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: can't hide anybody at right tackle. That's not the way

1077
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,240
Speaker 1: it works anymore. No, and and a lot of teams

1078
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: also will flop guys and and so even if you

1079
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,799
Speaker 1: don't see him on a normal basis, you'll see him

1080
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: on a road painting basis. And by the way, the

1081
00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: pass the Giants play the Texas this year, you know

1082
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,720
Speaker 1: where j. J. Watt lines up over the right tackle.

1083
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: Do you know where Cameron Jordan's for the Saints? You

1084
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 1: know where he lines up over the right tackle, I

1085
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: would I would add this though, Okay, again, the standard

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00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 1: of football one oh one is your right tackles, your

1087
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: power tackle, because you're gonna be strong side running to

1088
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: the right side, So he's usually got to be the

1089
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: more powerful guy who's going to be a better run blocker.

1090
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: But because the way the game is changing in the

1091
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 1: last couple of years and more and more pass rushers

1092
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 1: are going to be over there. You know what, it's

1093
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: not quite that much of a difference anymore. You know,

1094
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: it used to be a bigger difference, now not so much.

1095
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 1: But what I will say is this, I'm with John

1096
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: um Eric Flowers. His value as a football player will

1097
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 1: only increase if he winds up coming into the Giants

1098
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,040
Speaker 1: and proving that he is an NFL caliber player who

1099
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: deserves the kind of respect and the kind of um

1100
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: the kind of commitment that that every NFL player wants.

1101
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: And right now, you know that's that's like a limbo situation.

1102
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,960
Speaker 1: But he can only help himself if he's here and

1103
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: he's on the field and he produces, because guess what,

1104
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: that's good for the team, that's good for the player,

1105
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: and it's good for his overall value. As a as

1106
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: an NFL product. And by the way, historically Drew Rosenhaus

1107
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: and the Giants have worked on a lot of contracts

1108
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,320
Speaker 1: and a lot of players together. They have a pretty

1109
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: working relationship. So just something to keep in mind. Scott

1110
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: in New Mexico will be our final caller or the show.

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00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 1: I Scott, good afternoon. How are you hi, guys? How

1112
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: you doing him? I'll keep it short, uh, two questions.

1113
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: When I was actually fascinated by the two conversations that

1114
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: you guys had earlier with his head coach and with

1115
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,880
Speaker 1: the McIntosh and thank you McIntosh when I watched game

1116
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 1: film sometimes and you can tell me if I'm crazy

1117
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: or not, but he gets off the ball really fast.

1118
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: He does both guys that can make at his weight

1119
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: is somebody like Aaron Donald. I and I realized he's

1120
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: not in that class yet. But does he have the

1121
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,160
Speaker 1: potential to get to that kind of thing where I

1122
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: love I love R. J. McIntosh. I I cannot start

1123
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: mentioning him in Aaron Donald in the same sense you

1124
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: hold that he's a good penetrating three technique defensive tackle

1125
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: and you can get some pass rush out of him.

1126
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: He's a fifth round pick let's not start comparing him

1127
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: to Aaron He is definitely quick for a size. I'm

1128
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 1: just saying, looking at game films, he has that quick

1129
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 1: quick I haven't seen the inside tackle like that, Scott.

1130
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 1: I'll put it this way. He plays the same He

1131
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: plays the same style that Aaron Donald is in terms

1132
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: of how they get the job done. They play similar styles,

1133
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: even if he's not the same level of player. How

1134
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: about that. I'm not trying to be funny here, but

1135
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: if he was that close to Aaron Donald, he had

1136
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: been going in the first round. Think, Uh, my last

1137
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 1: question has to do with Quon Barkley. We're sort of

1138
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: deifying um Quan right now, and uh, he's been you know,

1139
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,520
Speaker 1: gentleman said that he's been touched by the hand of God.

1140
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: But my question is, are we putting enormous pressure on

1141
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,680
Speaker 1: him to perform right away? Because he's stimately going to

1142
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: be compared to Ezekiel Elliott And there's Zekiel around for

1143
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 1: sixteen hundred yards and they're different runners, and as John

1144
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:08,920
Speaker 1: you had said earlier, they're going to use them in

1145
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: different formations and so forth. So do you think we're

1146
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: putting too much pressure on him? Now? I see I

1147
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 1: disagree with your statement. Handle that kind of thing right now.

1148
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta put you on paulic here because

1149
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: I disagree with the statement he's not going to be

1150
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 1: compared to Elliott because he's gonna be a all around weapon.

1151
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: I go back to what John just said to you

1152
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: about how he's going to be such a big part

1153
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: of the passing game. Here's the thing that he's not

1154
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: going to run for sixteen hundred yards. I know that,

1155
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: But Paul, I know that, you know that Scott's smart

1156
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: enough to know that. Is Joe Blow fans smart enough

1157
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: to know that care less fantasy football fans care nobody.

1158
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: You're gonna care when there's fans in the stands that

1159
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: are annoyed that he's averaging sixty rushing yards a game.

1160
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 1: But you're wrong, Scott. Look here, Hey wait, wait, don't

1161
00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: fantasy people pay play for total yards from scrimmage? Yes,

1162
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: so we'll be happy. They'll be happy, but happy. I

1163
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: think Scott doesn't make a good point. I do think

1164
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: there's and and I've argued with fans on the show

1165
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: about this. Heading into the draft, you're shows about where

1166
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: they think, oh, he's gonna get carries and you're gonna

1167
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:13,160
Speaker 1: do That's not him, but Scott. Honestly, when you pick

1168
01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: a guy's second overall in the draft, I don't care

1169
01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: what we say about the dude, there's gonna be pressure,

1170
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: especially when you're a running back and there are quarterbacks

1171
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: on the board that he gets picked over. There's going

1172
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,439
Speaker 1: to be expectations in pressure, no matter what we say

1173
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 1: about him. So I wouldn't quite worry about that part

1174
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: of it. Um. But yeah, look, there's expectations. You're the

1175
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 1: second overall pick in the draft. You're running back, You're

1176
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: gonna can be expected to come in right away, make

1177
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: big plays and be productive. I don't think anyone's arguing.

1178
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: I think the one thing also that we have to

1179
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 1: take into account is that se Kwan Barkley playing at

1180
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,000
Speaker 1: Penn State. And if you've ever been out in in

1181
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: those next of the woods, oh they love their Penn States.

1182
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, he's already been glorified as a

1183
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: d d out there. Trust me, the spotlight's not gonna

1184
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 1: be a whole lot hotter in New York than it

1185
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 1: was at Penn State. Because if you're out there in

1186
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: western Pennsylvania, believe me, football is totally king and every

1187
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,440
Speaker 1: superstar out there is looked upon as the next governor

1188
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: of Pennsylvania. So he knows pressure. Trust me, he knows pressure. Okay,

1189
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: but I appreciate it, guys. I just wanted to get

1190
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: your insight. Thanks again, thank you, thanks to the call.

1191
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,240
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, yeah, that's you know, that's a

1192
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: heck of a of a program that he's coming out of.

1193
01:01:31,560 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: And and and John. I I don't get the impression

1194
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: from him. You listened to his call. You were here

1195
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: the other day at the pressure too. I don't get

1196
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 1: the impression from him at all that the bright lights

1197
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 1: of that theater when it was packed with TV cameras,

1198
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: thirty reporters firing away for fifteen minutes? Was it twenty minutes?

1199
01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 1: Did you see one drop of sweat on his brow?

1200
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,920
Speaker 1: I didn't know. He seemed like, okay, guys, let's have

1201
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: some fun. I'd no, uh, no apple core in his

1202
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: in his throat at all. You know Who's priests personality

1203
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,479
Speaker 1: reminded me of a little bit stalling Shepherd, same type

1204
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,000
Speaker 1: of very calm person could buy that things are too

1205
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:14,720
Speaker 1: big for him. Sheppard wasn't overwhelmed at all. He was

1206
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: just like, Yeah, I know, I'm I have expectations, I

1207
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do, I know what I can do,

1208
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go and do it. And that's kind

1209
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: of that I think based on the guys I've seen

1210
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 1: come through here that are skilled position guys, that's the

1211
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: type of personality and strolling is a pleasure to deal with.

1212
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,440
Speaker 1: He's the best and he's the guy that has been

1213
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: wowed by by everything going on around them. So look,

1214
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,080
Speaker 1: I think I think he'll be fine, and there's gonna

1215
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 1: be pressure. The second overall pick this pressure question is

1216
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: no question. He's actually lucky. Though he's got some other

1217
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 1: big name players on offense too, He's not the only one.

1218
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,160
Speaker 1: Thank you, Mr Sir for Paul the Tino John Schmelt.

1219
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,480
Speaker 1: That's a big blue kick Golf Live for this Wednesday. Well,

1220
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: have two more shows Thursday and Friday this weekend noon

1221
01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: with Paul Lance and Figs. I'll see you next week

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Speaker 1: on jihants dot com. Everybody, have a pleasant day.