Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome into the Fantasy pros Football Podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: Ryan Warmley, joined today by not Derek Brown, by only
Speaker 1: Pat Fitzmorris. Debro is off doing general Christmas and holiday
Speaker 1: related festivities with friends and family and whoever he's celebrating.
Speaker 2: With, so we are holding down the fort without him.
Speaker 1: Happy Holidays to Debro into everybody who's watching and listening.
Speaker 1: It'll be just a two man show with Fits and myself.
Speaker 2: Fitz.
Speaker 1: I do love doing two man shows with you, so
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to talking about some key questions today.
Speaker 3: Likewise for him, and I believe Debro is with the
Speaker 3: in laws right now, so I'm glad he is biting
Speaker 3: that bullet for us. You know, here we get to
Speaker 3: have a nice conversation and not see our in laws, or.
Speaker 1: We get to talk some fantasy football. This is our
Speaker 1: Friday show. Were running through key questions. We usually do
Speaker 1: kind of a top ten key questions of the week.
Speaker 1: We're just going to do every game this week because
Speaker 1: a couple of games have already played. Obviously, with you
Speaker 1: know the games taking place on Christmas, we are recording
Speaker 1: this on Thursday, so Thursday Night Football hasn't taken place yet,
Speaker 1: but by the time everybody's listening it will have taken place.
Speaker 1: So we figured there's not as many games, let us
Speaker 1: get through them all. And plus it's a fantasy championship game.
Speaker 1: We don't want to leave any matchups undiscussed in the
Speaker 1: most important week of the entire fantasy calendar, the week
Speaker 1: where everybody can win some titles. So as a quick reminder,
Speaker 1: as always, all of our weekly consensus rankings and tiers
Speaker 1: can be found at fantasypros dot com slash rankings and fits.
Speaker 2: Before we jump in, we often will.
Speaker 1: Kind of talk about when we tape on Friday mornings,
Speaker 1: what did we see on Thursday night and any fantasy takeaways.
Speaker 1: There's obviously not as much you can talk about in
Speaker 1: terms of immediate fantasy takeaways, but if you have a
Speaker 1: fantasy takeaway, if you have a football takeaway, what was
Speaker 1: your reaction to watching the couple of games on Christmas
Speaker 1: And did you like having Wednesday games?
Speaker 4: No, I didn't like having the games.
Speaker 3: It would prefer to be with family that and there
Speaker 3: are days when NFL Sunday.
Speaker 4: Happens to fall on Christmas or whatever.
Speaker 3: They Christmas on a Saturday and they wanted to do
Speaker 3: a couple of games that day, but I know about
Speaker 3: forcing the issue the way they did, And I basically
Speaker 3: watched like five plays of Ravens Texans, and luckily it
Speaker 3: wasn't much of a game anyway. Neither game really competitive,
Speaker 3: So maybe that was a blessing for anyone who actually
Speaker 3: wanted to pay attention to their family on Christmas Day.
Speaker 3: So didn't love it, and I know they weren't great games,
Speaker 3: Like I don't know, I have concerns for the Steelers'
Speaker 3: ability to go very far in the playoffs. I just
Speaker 3: think they're too limited on offense. You know, they've won
Speaker 3: one decent pass catcher in the offense, Like that's a
Speaker 3: problem once you get in the playoffs and start facing
Speaker 3: teams with more firepower every week, and you know, like
Speaker 3: the Texans, I don't think anyone expects them to go
Speaker 3: in a Super Bowl run this year. They were sort
Speaker 3: of ahead of ETA and twenty twenty three and now
Speaker 3: they've stall out a little bit.
Speaker 4: And I'm not so much worried about CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 3: I just think they need to fix the offensive line
Speaker 3: and obviously they've had major injury problems at the wide
Speaker 3: receiver position this year. So I think I don't think
Speaker 3: it's gonna be that hard to get the offense back
Speaker 3: on track, but they need to rebuild this offensive line
Speaker 3: because it has been just terrible this season.
Speaker 1: This was the second year in a row that the
Speaker 1: Ravens played on Christmas, which obviously like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to miss the Ravens game as a fan. Last year
Speaker 1: was at night, which worked out well because my family
Speaker 1: is a bunch of you know that they like to
Speaker 1: go to bed early, so I was kind of able
Speaker 1: to step away by the time we got to the
Speaker 1: night and you kind of just watch on my own.
Speaker 1: This year a little tougher, but thankfully.
Speaker 2: It wasn't in the morning.
Speaker 1: You know, for me, that would have been really tricky
Speaker 1: when that's kind of like the height of our Christmas
Speaker 1: festivities is that late morning early afternoon, So I didn't
Speaker 1: watch a ton of Chief Steelers. And we had it
Speaker 1: on and we're like somewhat paying attention, but there's little
Speaker 1: kids running around and you know, we're eating and playing games,
Speaker 1: so it's more of a background experience and then trying
Speaker 1: to focus more on the Ravens. I don't mind having
Speaker 1: the game to watch on Christmas, especially like I think
Speaker 1: like a night game, an annual night game would be fun,
Speaker 1: but I agree, like if it's on a Wednesday, you
Speaker 1: should just skip that year. Like I know that they're
Speaker 1: trying to make it a thing. I know Netflix played
Speaker 1: a lot of money. I know they did this whole
Speaker 1: Saturday Wednesday round robin and it worked out well for
Speaker 1: the Ravens that they won both of those games, and
Speaker 1: worked out well for the Chiefs too. But I just
Speaker 1: think the quick turnaround late in the season, Like I
Speaker 1: would prefer if Christmas falls on a Thursday, do a
Speaker 1: triple header Thursday through Sunday.
Speaker 2: I'm all in.
Speaker 1: Even a Monday, you can, you know, make it a
Speaker 1: Monday night week doubleheader. But Tuesday or Wednesday, Like, to me,
Speaker 1: going forward, I don't. I think that should kind of
Speaker 1: be should kind of be left alone. And I especially
Speaker 1: feel bad again the Ravens two years in a row
Speaker 1: playing on Christmas. I feel bad for not just the
Speaker 1: players and coaches who have families that you know, two
Speaker 1: years in a row, but for the you know, the
Speaker 1: beat reporters who have to travel to this game and
Speaker 1: don't get to spend their time with the family. I
Speaker 1: thought that was really kind of uncool the NFL to
Speaker 1: do it to the same team two years in a row,
Speaker 1: but obviously I was very happy with the win in
Speaker 1: dominant uh you know fashion. We were actually talking a
Speaker 1: little bit after we taped to the Thursday show this
Speaker 1: week about the MVP conversation, and you know, Lamar kind
Speaker 1: of re cementing himself in that conversation. I've been kind
Speaker 1: of complaining this whole time about the wide gap in
Speaker 1: the odds. I thought it was insane that Josh Allen
Speaker 1: was like minus nine hundred minus not a thousand, when
Speaker 1: Lamar had clearly better stats.
Speaker 2: We've said kind of a bit on the shows.
Speaker 1: Before, like I don't have a problem with anybody who
Speaker 1: wants to vote for Josh Allen. He's having an unbelievable year.
Speaker 1: The problem was not somebody who favored him. The problem
Speaker 1: to somebody saying it's not close, or the odds reflecting
Speaker 1: that it wasn't close. Lamar, you know, gets another standalone
Speaker 1: game where he looks awesome. The stats weren't even that amazing,
Speaker 1: just because he didn't need to do much because the
Speaker 1: Texans were terrible, but just another game of I mean,
Speaker 1: the you know, a nearly fifty yard touchdown run and
Speaker 1: toying with open you know, defenders in the open field,
Speaker 1: and just Lamar doing Lamar stuff, and the odds are
Speaker 1: now reflective of where I think they should be. I
Speaker 1: actually think Lamar maybe should be favored a little bit,
Speaker 1: but at least it's now much closer than it was.
Speaker 3: I agree, And it is really hard to separate those
Speaker 3: two in terms of it, Like, even if you want
Speaker 3: to use the criteria, which player is more essential to
Speaker 3: his team's success.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you can separate them.
Speaker 1: I think both guys, both teams will be picking in
Speaker 1: the top five without these quarterbacks probably probably, Yeah, So
Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see how that continues to play out.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Josh Allen's matchup later on. Let's
Speaker 1: start with a Sunday slate, though, excuse me the Saturday slate,
Speaker 1: because we've got a triple header on Saturday. We're gonna
Speaker 1: start with Chargers Patriots. That's the first game kicking off
Speaker 1: on Saturday. If it's assuming he plays, which you know,
Speaker 1: as of right now we are taping this again kind
Speaker 1: of early Thursday, so still up in the air. But
Speaker 1: if he plays, are we going right back to JK
Speaker 1: Dobbins starting him in fantasy.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm not sure about that. Worm Like, I
Speaker 3: don't know what the return of JK. Dobbins is gonna
Speaker 3: look like, whether it happens at all this week or
Speaker 3: if it does, whether it's you know, a two man
Speaker 3: show with JK. Dobbins and Gus Edwards, a three man
Speaker 3: with Kamani Videll thrown in there, or if it's just
Speaker 3: mostly JK.
Speaker 4: Dobb Evans.
Speaker 3: I've will probably have him ranked as a mid range
Speaker 3: to low end running back three if he does play,
Speaker 3: so I won't feel wildly.
Speaker 4: Confident about him.
Speaker 3: But like I know Ericson when we talked about this
Speaker 3: on our Start sit show, he seemed pretty confident that
Speaker 3: they were going to go right back to JK. Dobbins
Speaker 3: as the lead guy. I'm not quite as confident as
Speaker 3: he is. But that's in the range of possibilities.
Speaker 1: Where do you expect to see ecr land on him?
Speaker 1: Not where are you ranking him, but where do you
Speaker 1: think you're going to see Dobbins ranked? If we get
Speaker 1: word that he's playing.
Speaker 4: Like RB twenty eight somewhere around there.
Speaker 3: I think I'll probably be like a little bit lower
Speaker 3: and a little bit more cautious with my ranking of
Speaker 3: him than ECR, but probably yeah, RB twenty eight, give
Speaker 3: or take a few spots.
Speaker 1: I want to ask the second question on this game
Speaker 1: just because you and I do you know, host the
Speaker 1: mean the Dynasty Show in the off season, and we're
Speaker 1: bringing that back, you and me and Bogman of course
Speaker 1: in January, and I wanted to kind of ask because
Speaker 1: we talked a lot about Drake May after he was drafted,
Speaker 1: and in kind of those May conversations May the month,
Speaker 1: not May the player, but in those May conversations during
Speaker 1: rookie draft season, it was a lot of talk about
Speaker 1: we really liked him as a prospect, the landing spot
Speaker 1: looked tricky, kind of a similar conversation to what we
Speaker 1: had talked about with CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud a year earlier. Really liked the player, but the
Speaker 2: landing spot was bad.
Speaker 1: I was kind of on the side of I'm just
Speaker 1: going to go for the talent, and a quarterback can
Speaker 1: make a situation look good all by himself. And I
Speaker 1: was still ranking Drake May fairly aggressively, I think, relative
Speaker 1: to consensus amongst the rookies. If we were doing a
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, or I guess would be twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: At this point, Dynasty Rookie Redraft, where would you be
Speaker 1: taking Drake.
Speaker 3: May QB six are sixth overall? I guess I should
Speaker 3: say super flex because my first six would be all quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: It would be Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Joe Burrow,
Speaker 3: Jalen Hurt, and Drake May. And I think you could
Speaker 3: even debate Drake May versus Jalen Hurts, like I'm not
Speaker 3: sure how sustainable the business model is for Hurts with
Speaker 3: the tush push and so much of his production coming
Speaker 3: through the air, like May is in that sweet spot
Speaker 3: where it's mostly about Drake May as a passer, but
Speaker 3: he adds rushing value like he distinctly adds rushing value
Speaker 3: in fantasy, and what he has been able to do
Speaker 3: in like the steady weekly floor that he gives you
Speaker 3: despite having quite possibly the worst groups of the worst
Speaker 3: group of wide receivers in the league. In fact, I
Speaker 3: don't even know it's if it's debatable. I think it's
Speaker 3: the worst. Not a great offensive line, I mean he's
Speaker 3: got it. Seems like half his passing yardage goes to
Speaker 3: his tight ends Hunter Henry and Amara Austin Hooper every week.
Speaker 3: Like what he has been able to do and how
Speaker 3: comfortable he has looked right off the bat bodes really
Speaker 3: well for him. I think he's going to be a star.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe he approaches Josh Allen Lamar Jackson territory worm.
Speaker 3: I don't think that's out of the question. And you know,
Speaker 3: like at worst, I think he's maybe like a little
Speaker 3: below Joe Burrow as a passer who adds more rushing
Speaker 3: value than Joe Burrow does.
Speaker 1: What about amongst just the rookies, I mean, for me, like,
Speaker 1: I think he'd be easily the top pick besides Jane Daniels,
Speaker 1: who will be number one. But I think of everybody else,
Speaker 1: I would rather have him in a rookie Dynasty draft
Speaker 1: over any of those guys from twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, Like I think he's past Caleb Williams,
Speaker 3: even though I don't think Caleb has been like a
Speaker 3: flop by any mean, I.
Speaker 2: Still like Caleb.
Speaker 1: I don't want to to come across like I think
Speaker 1: I'm out on Caleb entirely, Like I just I'm just
Speaker 1: really that impressed with May.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Caleb has been fine and bo Nix
Speaker 3: has certainly outkicked expectations. But I would rather have Drake
Speaker 3: Man my Dynasty roster than either of those guys.
Speaker 1: Let's look at the next Saturday game here, Bronco's Bengals.
Speaker 1: Speaking Bonnicks, I want to ask, actually about the running backs.
Speaker 1: Are you willing to trust any Denver running back in
Speaker 1: your Fantasy Championship against what is a welcoming Bengals run defense.
Speaker 3: Probably not, now that it looks like Julia McLoughlin is
Speaker 3: going to be back this week. I had Javonte Williams
Speaker 3: ranked RB twenty seven with the expectation that Jalil would
Speaker 3: miss another week. Now that Jalila is coming back, I
Speaker 3: think Javante is probably going to be outside my top thirty.
Speaker 3: You know, he did have eleven targets and seven catches
Speaker 3: last week, and you know he played a very high
Speaker 3: percentage of the Broncos offensive snaps. But he only had
Speaker 3: four carries in that game. And we just have seen
Speaker 3: such an unpredictable division of labor worm and I should
Speaker 3: just do a mea calpey here since this is kind
Speaker 3: of an end of the year show. One of my
Speaker 3: biggest mistakes during draft season was over investing in the
Speaker 3: Broncos running backs. I took Javonte Williams or Julia McLoughlin,
Speaker 3: one of those guys on pretty much every team I drafted,
Speaker 3: and you know, part of it was thinking that the
Speaker 3: Denver running backs always well Sean Sean Payton running backs
Speaker 3: are always so productive as pass catchers, and even that really.
Speaker 4: Hasn't worked out.
Speaker 3: There have been moments of pass catching productivity for Javonte Williams,
Speaker 3: like last week, Angelia McLoughlin throughout the season, but like,
Speaker 3: no guy has given you a steady four or five
Speaker 3: receptions a week.
Speaker 4: It's just been a mess.
Speaker 3: And you know, I definitely did not benefit from being
Speaker 3: heavily invested in Denver running backs this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Deebro obviously not on this episode, but I'm sure
Speaker 1: he would like a mea culpa on Julia McLoughlin, particularly
Speaker 1: who I think he had ranked. I want to say
Speaker 1: RB twenty four during draft season. That's how kind of
Speaker 1: high he was on Jelil and has not paid out.
Speaker 1: My answer to this question is no, I'm just not
Speaker 1: willing to trust any of them. I am forced to
Speaker 1: in one league where it's a dynasty league.
Speaker 2: I did make the title well.
Speaker 1: I have intentionally built to not have strong running backs
Speaker 1: and am competing earlier than I expected. So Javonte Williams
Speaker 1: is the running back I have to run out there,
Speaker 1: But if I have any other option.
Speaker 2: I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not starting a Broncos running back even against this
Speaker 1: since he run defense. How about Cardinals rams, where are
Speaker 1: you ranking whoever the Cardinals starting running back is this week,
Speaker 1: assuming it's not James Connor. And again, we are taping
Speaker 1: a couple of days early, so by the time we get.
Speaker 2: To Saturday, maybe it will be Connor playing.
Speaker 1: He's trending get a better direction than I think I
Speaker 1: anticipated earlier in the week. But if he is playing,
Speaker 1: obviously there's no question at all. If he's not playing,
Speaker 1: if it's Trey Benson or Michael Carter, even, where are
Speaker 1: you ranking the starting Cardinals running back not names James Connor?
Speaker 3: So right now I'm ranking Benson RB twenty nine with
Speaker 3: the assumption that Connor is not going to play. I
Speaker 3: do think we'll probably get some of Michael Carter, maybe
Speaker 3: the primary passing down back for Arizona this week.
Speaker 4: They're out of the running for a playoff spot.
Speaker 3: And what really concerns me werem with the Cardinals offense
Speaker 3: is that they just put both of their starting offensive
Speaker 3: tackles on injured reserve Paris Johnson and Jonah Williams. So
Speaker 3: how functional is this offense going to be? Even in,
Speaker 3: you know, not a terrible matchup against the Rams. I'm
Speaker 3: just not that interested in starting any of the Arizona
Speaker 3: running backs this week if James Connor is not an option.
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Speaker 2: All right, fits, let's now get to the Sunday slate.
Speaker 1: We'll start off with the Jets Bills game down game
Speaker 1: from the Bills passing attack in week sixteen. Obviously, we
Speaker 1: aren't worried about a bounce back really from Josh Allen,
Speaker 1: considering how much he's carried fantasy managers most of the season,
Speaker 1: especially lately prior to Week sixteen.
Speaker 2: But what about the other guys?
Speaker 1: Khalil Shakir, Can you start any Bills in this game
Speaker 1: besides Allen and of course James Cook.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, probably only Shakir, But even he is
Speaker 3: not a real comfortable start. I've got him ranked it's
Speaker 3: a low end wide receiver three. I think I've got
Speaker 3: him ranked wide receiver thirty five. He's had fewer than
Speaker 3: forty receiving yards in three of his last four games,
Speaker 3: and the problem is that the Bills have become kind
Speaker 3: of a fantasy nightmare. Other than Josh Allen. They rotate
Speaker 3: three running backs, they rotate four receivers, and they use
Speaker 3: two tight ends. And like the running back where rotation
Speaker 3: has worked out just fine for James Cook, He's going
Speaker 3: to get his But like, it's not just a three
Speaker 3: receiver configuration for them. With Keon Coleman back from injury,
Speaker 3: now they are using all of Shakir, Amari Cooper, Keon Coleman,
Speaker 3: and Mac Collins and they're all playing about the same
Speaker 3: number of snaps and running about the same number of routes.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I have Shakir wide receiver thirty
Speaker 3: five in my next highest ranked Buffalo receiver Amari Cooper
Speaker 3: down at wide receiver forty nine. It's just really hard
Speaker 3: to trust any single pass catcher in this offense.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like they're using Shakir differently?
Speaker 1: And I asked that as a way to frame Early
Speaker 1: on in the season, a lot of people were talking
Speaker 1: about the fact that he was catching every target. If
Speaker 1: you look at his game log of Fantasy Risk targets
Speaker 1: three receptions, three targets, five receptions, five target, six receptions
Speaker 1: six and then there was a couple of games where
Speaker 1: you know it was off by Wine, but he was
Speaker 1: catching every target butt one or still every target for
Speaker 1: several weeks.
Speaker 2: Lately that hasn't been the case.
Speaker 1: It's been nine targets, six receptions, it's been twelve targets,
Speaker 1: eight receptions. It's been seven targets, four receptions.
Speaker 2: Eight and five.
Speaker 1: It started to not be a lot of just catching
Speaker 1: literally everything for the last several weeks. Is there anything
Speaker 1: to that or is that just kind of a fluke,
Speaker 1: small sample size.
Speaker 3: No, that's a that's a good question, and I have
Speaker 3: to dig into that whether the average depth of target
Speaker 3: has increased for Khalil Shakir, if that's it. Maybe it
Speaker 3: did when they didn't have Kean Coleman, who was sort
Speaker 3: of that established vertical threat, and maybe now Shakir goes
Speaker 3: back to being more of a strict possession receiver. So
Speaker 3: it's possible that's kind of how it came into play,
Speaker 3: not having Keon Coleman as that field stretcher, that they
Speaker 3: were maybe having Shakir run deeper routes.
Speaker 4: But I can't say that for a fact.
Speaker 3: You know, like he's still been pretty efficient, but yes,
Speaker 3: it has not been the hyper efficiency that we saw
Speaker 3: from Shakiir earlier. This season and pretty much all of
Speaker 3: last season too.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Titans Jaguars. As Ericson said, this is
Speaker 1: a Thursday night football game taking place on a Sunday.
Speaker 1: Rank fits in this game the four Committee.
Speaker 2: Running backs in this matchup, So that's Tony.
Speaker 1: Pollard, TAIJ. Spears, Travis Etn, and Tank Bigsby.
Speaker 3: All right, I have both Titans running backs ranked ahead
Speaker 3: of both Jaguars running backs. I've got Pollard at running
Speaker 3: back nineteen, Spears running back twenty five, Travis Etn running
Speaker 3: back twenty six, and Tank Bigsby running back thirty three.
Speaker 3: We talked about this a little on the start said show,
Speaker 3: I wish Pollard were just scratched so we could get
Speaker 3: a full TAIJ. Spears game, in which case I'd probably
Speaker 3: have him inside my top definitely inside my top fifteen,
Speaker 3: maybe inside my top twelve, even like Spears has looked
Speaker 3: really good the last couple of weeks, and I would
Speaker 3: love to see him get the soul crack at this
Speaker 3: backfield against a Jaguars defense that you know has given
Speaker 3: up a lot of fantasy points to running backs. And
Speaker 3: of course part of that is selfish worm, because I
Speaker 3: am flexing Taij Spears in a championship game this week.
Speaker 1: It sounds like the kind of most difficult And maybe
Speaker 1: it wasn't difficult for you, but the guys who are
Speaker 1: ranked closer together certainly were Spears in ETN just one
Speaker 1: spot apart the other guys. There's a bit of a gap.
Speaker 1: How do you parse between ETN and Spears?
Speaker 2: What do you?
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously you just kind of hit on Spears,
Speaker 1: But for the ETN side of things, why does he
Speaker 1: come down at running back twenty six for you? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it's it's just that Tank Biggsby has looked
Speaker 3: better as a runner all year long, and so I
Speaker 3: just I don't know. If if I were calling the
Speaker 3: plays for Jacksonville, I would probably just divide it up
Speaker 3: like biggsb is my early down guy and ETN is
Speaker 3: my designated passing down guy. It's been a little more
Speaker 3: interchangeable than that and a little more hard to parse
Speaker 3: from week to week.
Speaker 4: Where's Spears now?
Speaker 3: It seems like they are trying to preserve Tony Pollard
Speaker 3: a little bit, and they've pretty much made Taij Spears
Speaker 3: the main passing down back and he gets a little
Speaker 3: bit of early down work too, So I don't know.
Speaker 4: I just basically I think TAIJ.
Speaker 3: Spears is better than Travis Etn And I didn't think
Speaker 3: I would have drawn that conclusion by the end of
Speaker 3: this season. Even though like it hasn't been a great
Speaker 3: season for TAIJ. Spears, He's dealt with a lot of
Speaker 3: injury issues and people, some people including me, were ranking
Speaker 3: him basically back to back with Tony Pollard back in August.
Speaker 3: That turned out to be a mistake, but these last
Speaker 3: couple of weeks have reminded us that TAIJ. Spears is
Speaker 3: really really good when he gets a chance.
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Speaker 1: get better all right, let's go to question number six here.
Speaker 1: Raiders Saints. This definitely would have been a game I
Speaker 1: would have skipped if we weren't doing every game this week.
Speaker 1: Kendre Miller let fantasy managers down in a tough matchup
Speaker 1: in week sixteen. You kind of set our expectations lower
Speaker 1: last week fits given that matchup against the Packers, and
Speaker 1: you were proven correct on that one. If you started
Speaker 1: Kendre Miller and somehow survived and have an yet running
Speaker 1: back again in week seventeen, are you willing to go
Speaker 1: back to him in a much better matchup this week,
Speaker 1: assuming Alva Kamara is out again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still wouldn't feel great about it. We saw
Speaker 3: Kendry Miller split work last week with Jamal Williams and
Speaker 3: Jordan Mims, and just there wasn't a lot to split
Speaker 3: up because things were so bleak for the Saints offense
Speaker 3: and they couldn't get first downs or move the chains.
Speaker 4: And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I guess I feel a little bit better about the
Speaker 3: outlook this week against the Raiders than I did in
Speaker 3: a tougher matchup against the Packers, But I don't think
Speaker 3: I would feel great about having Kendrey Miller in my lineup.
Speaker 2: Regardless, where will you have him ranked?
Speaker 3: Probably probably mid range running back three, like running back
Speaker 3: thirty two or so, that's.
Speaker 1: A little lower than consensus. He's alreably twenty seven in
Speaker 1: consensus as it sits. That's in the half PPR expert
Speaker 1: consensus rankings, So we'll see kind of where he winds up.
Speaker 1: But you're not that far off, just a little bit
Speaker 1: lower than the consensus ranking. Let's look at Colt's giants.
Speaker 1: I want to kind of just ask generally about really
Speaker 1: all the receivers in this game. I guess, you know,
Speaker 1: on the giant side of things, it's really just the
Speaker 1: one receiver in Neighbors and then.
Speaker 2: A couple options for the Colts.
Speaker 1: But just given the quarterback situations that both teams are
Speaker 1: dealing with in terms of the passing game specifically, what
Speaker 1: is your confidence level ranking the receivers in this one?
Speaker 3: Very low in anyone but Malik Neighbors, and I think
Speaker 3: I'm below consensus on neighbors to it, like wide receiver
Speaker 3: twenty one. I don't have in Indianapolis wide receiver ranked
Speaker 3: In'sid'm my top forty. I've downed a wide receiver forty
Speaker 3: one and Pittman is like forty nine or fifty or
Speaker 3: something like that. I just there's just not a lot
Speaker 3: of passing volume. But the Colts not a lot of
Speaker 3: completions for Anthony richards in most games.
Speaker 4: And you know, even though we don't.
Speaker 3: Hate the matchup for either of these passing games, I mean,
Speaker 3: you can throw on both the Colts and the Giants,
Speaker 3: but man, it's just with the level of quarterback play.
Speaker 3: And I like Richardson, but I like him as a
Speaker 3: runner and not so much.
Speaker 4: As a passer.
Speaker 1: So you're down on Neighbors. He is a consensus wider.
Speaker 1: Hever seventeen. So looking at guys kind of more in
Speaker 1: the range that you had in wide receiver twenty one?
Speaker 2: Are you starting him.
Speaker 1: Over guys like DJ Moore, who will have played last
Speaker 1: night by the time everybody hears this, But we're sitting here,
Speaker 1: he hasn't played yet. Guy like him, guy like Jordan Addison,
Speaker 1: Garrett Wilson. Are these some of the names you'd be
Speaker 1: ranking him amongst are still higher than that group.
Speaker 3: I'm a little higher on Malik Neighbors than Garrett Wilson
Speaker 3: and Jordan Addison, but I think I might have DJ
Speaker 3: Moore ranked one spot higher than Malik Neighbors, and I'm
Speaker 3: looking at that now and I nope, I've still got Neighbors. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I do have Neighbors ranked one spot behind DJ Moore.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we'll see how that pans out tonight. On
Speaker 1: the DJ Moore side of things, I do have a
Speaker 1: second question in this game. Obviously, like everybody starting Jonathan
Speaker 1: Taylor either way, but you do appear to be the
Speaker 1: low man on Taylor this week, at least in terms
Speaker 1: of our staff rankings. So I'm just kind of curious,
Speaker 1: considering what he did last week and the opponent against
Speaker 1: the Giants, why is he ranked a little bit lower
Speaker 1: for you this week?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I just I could not rank Jonathan Taylor ahead of
Speaker 3: Saquon Barkley, Jamior Gibbs, Bjean Robinson, Derrick, Henry Devon a
Speaker 3: Chen or Chase Brown like those guys just because of
Speaker 3: their usage, and in the case of a Chen and
Speaker 3: Chase Brown in particular, their dual run catch usage. Couldn't
Speaker 3: put Taylor ahead of those guys. And I debated between
Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor versus Kyron Williams. I think I went with
Speaker 3: kyrone one spot higher, but it's pretty much a coin
Speaker 3: flip between those two. So yeah, I mean, it's weird
Speaker 3: for me to be the low man on Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 3: where I'm but just trying to be objective. I did
Speaker 3: not see him as a top five RB.
Speaker 1: Taylor almost single handedly knocked me out of my family
Speaker 1: fantasy league, which my brother in law, who is the
Speaker 1: one who knocked me out, was very happy to bring
Speaker 1: up all day yesterday.
Speaker 2: Hi Christmas.
Speaker 3: I mentioned this on the in Our Waivers show earlier
Speaker 3: in the week, but this is pretty strange. I was
Speaker 3: involved in two semi finals with Jonathan Taylor involved.
Speaker 4: Last week.
Speaker 3: I won the game where I was going against Jonathan
Speaker 3: Taylor and lost the game.
Speaker 4: Wow, Jonathan Taylor. Wow, that's pretty hard to pull off, man.
Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's impressing.
Speaker 1: I had the same thing happened last year, not as
Speaker 1: to you, but just in terms of going up against
Speaker 1: a huge game where in Week sixteen I think it was,
Speaker 1: I think it was Week sixteen last year, also the
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper huge blow up game. I also was knocked
Speaker 1: out facing him with a team where I had the
Speaker 1: best team, but just that one individual performance guy dropped
Speaker 1: forty or fifty points from one player. That's just really
Speaker 1: hard to overcome. So that's remarkable that it went the
Speaker 1: other way twice for you. In your defense on the
Speaker 1: ranking with Taylor, you're actually much closer to consensus. ECR
Speaker 1: has him seventh, behind Saquon Gibbs, Bijon, Derek Henry's already play,
Speaker 1: Kien Williams, Chase Brown, a chan is behind Taylor in ECR.
Speaker 1: It's it's our staff guys, you know, deebro and Ericson
Speaker 1: both have Taylor second, So they're the ones who are
Speaker 1: kind of a lot higher than consensus, not that you
Speaker 1: are a lot lower. Let's go to another matchup here,
Speaker 1: Cowboys Eagles, And again, given the time with the holiday
Speaker 1: when we're recording this, we aren't one hundred percent sure
Speaker 1: what the status of some of the health guys is
Speaker 1: going to be. But if Jalen Hurts doesn't play, what
Speaker 1: are you doing with your Eagles players playing with the
Speaker 1: backup quarterback who happens to be Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'm still playing Saquon Barkley and AJ Brown,
Speaker 3: and like, Saquon's a no brainer, and Kenny Pickett when
Speaker 3: he came in for Jalen Hurts last week really locked
Speaker 3: onto AJ Brown like he only had eyes for AJB
Speaker 3: in that game. So I think AJ Brown's outlook would
Speaker 3: only be maybe slightly worse with Kenny Pickett than it
Speaker 3: would be with Jalen Hurts. But I do think Devonte
Speaker 3: Smith goes from playable to unplayable if hurt sits this
Speaker 3: one out. And by the way, I know there were
Speaker 3: some doubts about Kenny Pickett's availability too, but I think
Speaker 3: last we saw he did practice in a limited capacity
Speaker 3: with a rib injury, but I think he would be
Speaker 3: good to go if Hurts. We're not able to clear
Speaker 3: concussion protocol before Sunday.
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend too much time on this
Speaker 1: conversation because we have some uncertainty about the quarterback, but
Speaker 1: I do want to throw out a second question on
Speaker 1: this game. On the Cowboy side of things, Rico Daddle
Speaker 1: had a three week stretch where he was a top
Speaker 1: fifteen Fantasy running back. Every week he's been getting awesome volume.
Speaker 1: We've been happy to see him kind of finally take
Speaker 1: over this backfield, and then he fell back to earth
Speaker 1: in a major way against the Bucks. I think he
Speaker 1: had under twenty five rushing yards. I think he was
Speaker 1: twenty three was his total. He's got a tough matchup
Speaker 1: this week in Philly. Are you trusting Doubtle again or
Speaker 1: looking for other options in your title game?
Speaker 3: I mean mostly I've been ranking Rico as like a
Speaker 3: low end running back won the last few weeks, and
Speaker 3: now I've got him RB seventeen this week, But I
Speaker 3: think under most circumstances you are playing him. Over the
Speaker 3: last five weeks, Rico Dawdle has averaged nineteen point four carries,
Speaker 3: twenty one point four touches, and one hundred and twelve
Speaker 3: scrimmage yards per game, so it's been pretty good. I
Speaker 3: know he's sort of ran aground last week against the Bucks,
Speaker 3: but despite the tough matchup, I'd feel okay with him
Speaker 3: as my RB two this week.
Speaker 2: Let's look at Panthers Buccaneers.
Speaker 1: I want to ask about Bryce Young, who continues to
Speaker 1: just be immersing the best stretch of his NFL career.
Speaker 1: Coming off the best Fantasy finish of his career. He
Speaker 1: was QB two in Week sixteen. His only other game
Speaker 1: this season inside the top ten at the position came
Speaker 1: against these Bucks. That was back in Week thirteen. So
Speaker 1: in this encore matchup here in the Fantasy Championship Game,
Speaker 1: are you willing to trust Bryce Young as a I'm
Speaker 1: not going to ask as a you know, in a
Speaker 1: one QB league, but as a super flex quarterback in
Speaker 1: your title game?
Speaker 4: I think so.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've got him QB twenty four, which might
Speaker 3: be below consensus, but I think he's on the same
Speaker 3: tier as the guys I have directly ahead of him,
Speaker 3: which would be Mason Rudolph, Gino Smith, and Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3: I see all of those four on roughly the same tier,
Speaker 3: and uh yeah, we like the matchup against the Buccaneers,
Speaker 3: So I would feel okay about trotting out Bryce Young
Speaker 3: as my second quarterback in a super flex league.
Speaker 2: Where are you going to have him?
Speaker 4: Ranks QB twenty four, twenty four.
Speaker 2: So right at the point of the fact.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I've got I've got Mason Rudolph QB twenty one,
Speaker 3: Gino Smith QB twenty two, Aaron Rodgers QB twenty three.
Speaker 2: I had so much fun just watching him.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a lot of it came from the
Speaker 1: you know, sixty yards and a rushing touchdown. In terms
Speaker 1: of this past week, we're getting you know, over twenty
Speaker 1: seven fantasy points. But he's had a rushing touchdown in
Speaker 1: three the last four games, and that adds a lot
Speaker 1: of value if you're you know, especially coupling that with
Speaker 1: you know somewhere or at twenty thirty rushing yards as well. Obviously,
Speaker 1: you know, sixty eight was a lot last week, but
Speaker 1: he was a very legitimate He's been a very legitimate
Speaker 1: super flex starter worthy quarterback for like several weeks in
Speaker 1: a row.
Speaker 3: Now, yeah, you know what impressed me last week or
Speaker 3: was the way he has been handling pressure and making
Speaker 3: throws under pressure. There was one throw he made I
Speaker 3: think there was like an a gap blitz bearing down
Speaker 3: on him and he just stood in there and just
Speaker 3: ripped a throw over to the middle to one of
Speaker 3: his receivers on a crossing route where I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: I mean, he looked like a Pro Bowl quarterback on
Speaker 3: that play. So there are signs of Bryce Young maybe
Speaker 3: turning the corner. Like I don't know if I want
Speaker 3: to draft him to be my starting quarterback and a
Speaker 3: fantasy team in twenty twenty five, but in super flex leagues,
Speaker 3: I think he is a little more viable than certainly
Speaker 3: than he looked at mid season this year.
Speaker 1: I'm not the first person to make this comparison, but
Speaker 1: he looks like Alabama Bryce Young. It's some of the
Speaker 1: time and every single play, but Alabama Bryce Young was
Speaker 1: an awesome college quarterback and he has had stretches and
Speaker 1: had plays where he looks like that again, which is
Speaker 1: really fun to see. And I know everybody's like, again,
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one to say this, but it's
Speaker 1: just really nice to see him like smiling and take
Speaker 1: a hit and get up and he's he's laughing and
Speaker 1: still making the play, and just given everything he went
Speaker 1: through last year and early parts of this year, it's
Speaker 1: been really cool to see. And boy, another feather in
Speaker 1: the cap for Dave Canalis as a quarterback whisperer to
Speaker 1: do it with you know, he did it with Gino,
Speaker 1: who still looked good since he left, did it with
Speaker 1: Baker who's still look good since he left. But now
Speaker 1: to do it with Bryce Young too, is really remarkable
Speaker 1: for Canalis. Let's go to another matchup here. Dolphins Browns
Speaker 1: were into the late afternoon slate here. Now you're probably
Speaker 1: obligated to start Tyreek Hill, but I just want to
Speaker 1: kind of highlight his fantasy finishes at the position since
Speaker 1: Tua returned from the latest injury. Wide receiver forty one,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, thirty wide receiver, twenty three, Wide receiver sixteen,
Speaker 1: wide receiver, forty wide receiver twelve, wide receiver, six wide receiver,
Speaker 1: sixty two, Wide receiver thirty one. So there is a
Speaker 1: you know, top six finish in there. There's another top
Speaker 1: twelve finish in there, but there's a lot outside the
Speaker 1: top forty two. He's ranked as a top fifteen wide
Speaker 1: receiver option this week in ECR, but he's only finished
Speaker 1: that high twice since Week eight. So what are your
Speaker 1: expectations against the Browns?
Speaker 3: Oh Man, I feel like we can't even use the
Speaker 3: word expectations with Tyreek Hill anymore because I don't think
Speaker 3: we have any and certainly not the expectation of a
Speaker 3: smash game from Tyreek Hill in any given week, which
Speaker 3: is weird to say, especially with us looking at a
Speaker 3: Week seventeen game for Tyreek Hill where Jayden Wattle is
Speaker 3: probably not going to be playing for the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 3: with his knee injury. So but look, man, it's Tyreek
Speaker 3: Hill and he has scored a touchdown in three of
Speaker 3: his last four games.
Speaker 4: Again, no waddle.
Speaker 3: Probably means a few extra targets. I have Tyreek ranked
Speaker 3: wide receiver thirteen, and I feel like that's a nice
Speaker 3: conservative ranking for a guy who obviously has been a
Speaker 3: disappointment this season. But I think unless you have an
Speaker 3: absolute embarrassment of riches at wide receiver, you're probably starting
Speaker 3: him in your championship game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirteen feels appropriate for the ranking, even if maybe
Speaker 1: like like I don't really expect him to finish as
Speaker 1: wide receiver thirteen. But as far as like just where
Speaker 1: to put him in the rankings, I think that's about
Speaker 1: He's about a server fourteen and ECR so so one
Speaker 1: spot lower. But yeah, I just I where do you
Speaker 1: think you're going to have him ranked in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five drafts?
Speaker 3: That's a really good question. Probably still in wide receiver
Speaker 3: one range. I mean, I just it was just such
Speaker 3: a strange year for the Dolls, and I don't know,
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe maybe that's wrong and it should be
Speaker 3: more as like a high ender mid range wide receiver two.
Speaker 3: But I still fundamentally believe, like I came into this
Speaker 3: season thinking Tyreek Hill is the best wide receiver in football,
Speaker 3: and you know, now I'll almost surely be ranking him
Speaker 3: behind Nicocollins. I'mon Ralph Saint Brown, probably even Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, maybe it's gonna be maybe it's
Speaker 3: gonna be well outside the top ten.
Speaker 2: He'll be thirty one next year.
Speaker 1: He turns thirty one in March, and a guy who
Speaker 1: really relies on speed to be as dominant as he is,
Speaker 1: you know, coming off the season, when you say, you know,
Speaker 1: as a wide receiver, one to me like, if you're
Speaker 1: ranked in the top twelve at wide receiver, you're not
Speaker 1: getting out of the second round of a lot of drafts.
Speaker 1: And I don't know that I would be very comfortable
Speaker 1: drafting Tyreek Hill in the second round. I think if
Speaker 1: it will be, and we'll see how I feel, you know,
Speaker 1: come August. That's a long way from now, and maybe
Speaker 1: the you know, situation will change around him in Miami.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. But as of right now, it
Speaker 1: feels to me like I wouldn't be comfortable taking him
Speaker 1: in the second round, but maybe I would be taking
Speaker 1: him like early third and so maybe kind of more
Speaker 1: of a wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Two range.
Speaker 1: But that's that's kind of shooting from the hip. I
Speaker 1: you know, we'll obviously kind of need to sit down
Speaker 1: and think about it more when we get when we
Speaker 1: get actually closer. But for a guy who's been you know,
Speaker 1: locked into the really the first round for a lot
Speaker 1: of years, you know, maybe we're starting to see the
Speaker 1: fall off here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be it'll be interesting. I mean, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be one of those things where it will be a
Speaker 3: shock to the system. If you're in a draft and
Speaker 3: you're sitting there with pick one oh three and all
Speaker 3: of a sudden, Tyreek is available to you at two ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that might be.
Speaker 3: Really hard to pass on him. And like maybe I
Speaker 3: could wait till three oh three, but I don't know
Speaker 3: if I want to wait. I might just want to
Speaker 3: grab this guy here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you're if you if you have like the
Speaker 1: one oh one, and like let's say you take saquad
Speaker 1: and then he'll Tyree gets back to you. Like, it's
Speaker 1: hard to imagine passing up the opportunity to pair at
Speaker 1: saquead and with Tyreek. But I certainly would say I
Speaker 1: don't think I'll be considering him in the first half
Speaker 1: of the second round.
Speaker 2: I think it would have to be a back half
Speaker 2: of the second round.
Speaker 1: As of how I feel sitting here on you know,
Speaker 1: in late December, eight months away from having to make
Speaker 1: this decision. Packers Vikings fits best game on the week
Speaker 1: seventeen schedule. Obviously your team is involved here, tons of
Speaker 1: fantasy options on both sides, So I just want to
Speaker 1: kind of ask you, force you to fade somebody in
Speaker 1: this one? Which guy who is an obvious start in
Speaker 1: this matchup? Are you actually fading this week?
Speaker 3: You know What's funny, I've been low on Jordan Love
Speaker 3: relative to consensus for quite a few weeks, just because
Speaker 3: the Packers passing volume has been so low. But now
Speaker 3: I see that I'm actually like three spots above consensus
Speaker 3: on Love this week, and I think that's largely matchup related.
Speaker 3: I mean, the Minnesota run defense is tough, and they're,
Speaker 3: you know, not that hard to throw on. And we
Speaker 3: saw I think Jordan Love had the most passing attempts
Speaker 3: in any game this season in his first meeting against
Speaker 3: the Vikings. But that was also a game where the
Speaker 3: game script went sideways for the Packers. They fell into
Speaker 3: this big hole early and they basically had to stomp
Speaker 3: the accelerator and run a two minute offense the rest
Speaker 3: of the game.
Speaker 4: So Jordan Love wound up putting up huge numbers.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that happens again, but I'm optimistic
Speaker 3: he puts up decent numbers. I guess the guys I'm
Speaker 3: fading relative to consensus are Josh Jacobs because that Minnesota
Speaker 3: run defense is tough. I've got him at like running
Speaker 3: back nine, and I know consensus is higher than that.
Speaker 3: And Jordan Addison, I mean I'm a little below consensus.
Speaker 3: I think I've got him at wide receiver twenty eight
Speaker 3: and the ECR has him at wide receiver twenty two.
Speaker 3: He's terrific, but there's always a chance, and we saw
Speaker 3: happen last week that he plays second fiddle to Justin
Speaker 3: Jefferson in any given game, and Justin Jefferson, whenever he
Speaker 3: has not had to deal with Jy or alex And
Speaker 3: of the Packers, has always smashed. And I don't think
Speaker 3: JayR is coming back this week, So no JayR Alexander
Speaker 3: probably means another smash game for Justin Jefferson, and I
Speaker 3: don't know if there's also room for Jordan Addison to smash.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Falcon's commanders. Before we get to the
Speaker 1: key question for Sunday Night's matchup, I want to ask
Speaker 1: you fits about your Uber Eats Sunday Night meal of
Speaker 1: the Week fits. What must order food gets you reaching
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Speaker 1: when you think of Washington.
Speaker 3: D c oh Man, I have to try this thing
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Speaker 4: Are you familiar with this worm?
Speaker 3: So it's like, I'm I'm from a big sausage town Milwaukee,
Speaker 3: that is, we appreciate our sausages in Milwaukee, and this
Speaker 3: is apparently a half smoke is kind of like a
Speaker 3: spicier version of a chili dog. I guess it's some
Speaker 3: sort of sausage served with like chili and cheese and onions,
Speaker 3: and it's fantastic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I am not like a big sausage guy in general,
Speaker 1: and so I've actually never had a half smoke, but
Speaker 1: it is like definitely a DC thing. And I think
Speaker 1: if if I was able to kind of get like,
Speaker 1: I'm not like a big like spicy meat person, and
Speaker 1: typically half smoked like a little bit of spice to it,
Speaker 1: So I think I might be more interested in trying
Speaker 1: it actually now as I've sort of developed my palette
Speaker 1: of bit since.
Speaker 2: Leaving the DC area.
Speaker 1: Then then I was interested in it when I was
Speaker 1: living here, so I would try that again at this
Speaker 1: point for me, like when I think of DC food,
Speaker 1: like first of all, like being from the area, like
Speaker 1: you can get good food of any kind in this area.
Speaker 1: Like it's a very transient city, so there's not a
Speaker 1: ton that's been like originated from DC. But every type
Speaker 1: of food you can imagine has quality options in the area.
Speaker 1: Like you can get amazing like Peruvian chicken in the
Speaker 1: DC era. You can get amazing like anything really, like
Speaker 1: you can go down the list, like any type of
Speaker 1: foreign cuisine that appeals to you, you can find some
Speaker 1: good options. But when I think of stuff that is
Speaker 1: like from DC, and my first stuches goes to mumbo sauce,
Speaker 1: which is like kind of a it's like somehow like
Speaker 1: sweeter and also kind of spicier than barbecue sauce. But
Speaker 1: it's like a very classic condiment for DC. And just
Speaker 1: get some wings with mumbo sauce on them is like
Speaker 1: such a great go to, especially for watching football. So
Speaker 1: half smoke for fits mumbo sauce really on anything for myself,
Speaker 1: that's our Uber Eats Sunday Night meals of the week.
Speaker 1: Uber Eats has the best game day deals all season long.
Speaker 2: Order now for game day.
Speaker 1: And by the way, technically the Commanders do play in Maryland,
Speaker 1: not in d C. So I could have just had
Speaker 1: another excuse to talk about crabcakes, but I will not
Speaker 1: do that. I want to ask in this one, how
Speaker 1: are you ranking the Falcons offensive players this week? Now
Speaker 1: that we've seen the first start from Michael Pennox.
Speaker 3: So I've got Penix ranked quarterback twenty eight, and I
Speaker 3: almost feel guilty about that because I am a Michael
Speaker 3: Pennox fan. I just I always want to be conservative
Speaker 3: with my ranking of a quarterback getting his first exposure
Speaker 3: to NFL defenses. And you know, we saw this last
Speaker 3: week with Pennex played a decent game, but for fantasy
Speaker 3: it wasn't a decent game he had against the Giants,
Speaker 3: like I think it was two hundred and twenty some
Speaker 3: yards and no touchdowns. So maybe maybe it seems inconsistent,
Speaker 3: but I'm ranking Drake London wide receiver seventeen, Darnell Mooney
Speaker 3: wide receiver thirty two, and you know, Ray, Ray McLeod
Speaker 3: and Kyle Pitts I consider to be unplayable basically. But
Speaker 3: I'm ranking the wide receivers basically where I would have
Speaker 3: had them with Kirk Cousins back when Kirk Cousins was
Speaker 3: playing semi competently. So, like, I feel okay about Michael
Speaker 3: Pennix making those guys work for fantasy, but not so
Speaker 3: great about Pennix himself.
Speaker 1: Here's another interesting twenty twenty five question. Where do you
Speaker 1: think you're going to have Pennick stranked amongst quarterbacks for
Speaker 1: fantasy next year?
Speaker 4: Probably late teams. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So, I really like the player, and I believe in
Speaker 3: the arm talent and think he is, you know, one
Speaker 3: of the best arms in the league, but he is
Speaker 3: not going to add much as a runner, and some
Speaker 3: of the things he does best as a player don't
Speaker 3: always show up for fantasy, like his aversion of turnovers
Speaker 3: and sacks.
Speaker 4: You love that.
Speaker 3: If you've got Michael Pennix as you're starting quarterback and
Speaker 3: you're a fan of the Atlanta Falcons, it just doesn't
Speaker 3: do much for you in the fantasy game.
Speaker 1: We've got a second question in this Sunday night matchup,
Speaker 1: just how much trust do you have going back to
Speaker 1: Brian Robinson after his huge letdown in week sixteen? He like,
Speaker 1: if he had had his normal game, there are multiple
Speaker 1: leagues I would have advanced to the title game in
Speaker 1: without him. So maybe most people listening are not able
Speaker 1: to trust going back to him because they've already been eliminated.
Speaker 1: But if you did survive Brian Robinson's huge life down
Speaker 1: in week sixteen, how are you approaching him in week seventeen?
Speaker 3: And I actually did survive his letdown in two leagues
Speaker 3: where I will be rolling him out in a championship game.
Speaker 4: Lucky, But yeah, like I'm.
Speaker 3: A little nervous about it. I'm a little nervous, to
Speaker 3: be honest with you. I mean, he did lose two
Speaker 3: fumbles last week, and if he puts another on the ground,
Speaker 3: there's a very good chance he sits and we see
Speaker 3: more playing time for Jeremy Nichols and Chris Rodriguez. And
Speaker 3: the Atlanta run defense not exactly a pushover. They've given
Speaker 3: up only four rushing touchdowns to running backs this season,
Speaker 3: tied with the Los Angeles Chargers for the fewest, and
Speaker 3: they've allowed the ninth fewest rushing yards to running backs.
Speaker 3: So not a great matchup for Brian Robinson, but I
Speaker 3: do think the game script should be more favorable this week.
Speaker 3: We saw the Commanders sort of thrust into catch up
Speaker 3: mode last week against the Eagles.
Speaker 4: They should probably be playing with.
Speaker 3: A lead or at least in a close game with
Speaker 3: the Falcons throughout this game, so that bodes better for
Speaker 3: Brian Robinson than last week's game script.
Speaker 1: Last game on the slate here Monday Night, Lions forty
Speaker 1: nine ers fits. We got our first Jamison Williams Spike
Speaker 1: week in a while.
Speaker 2: Against the Bears last week.
Speaker 1: Just a second game all season with over one hundred
Speaker 1: receiving guards. Though, are you or are you not starting
Speaker 1: him in Fantasy championship matchups against San Francisco?
Speaker 3: Maybe I've got him at wide receiver twenty nine, so
Speaker 3: that probably puts him right on the start sit border
Speaker 3: in a lot of cases. It's over his last seven games,
Speaker 3: JMO has had between five and eight targets in every game,
Speaker 3: which is not terrible for a big play vertical wide receiver,
Speaker 3: but obviously he's got this boomer bust profile and the
Speaker 3: targets are getting chopped up more ways than ever. I
Speaker 3: feel like in Detroit these days, with suddenly Samu Laporta
Speaker 3: is getting targets again after being sort of, I don't know,
Speaker 3: a major target drought for him early in the season.
Speaker 3: He's starting to get back into the offense and Tim
Speaker 3: Patrick has been pretty involved in this offense over the
Speaker 3: last month. So I think he's going to be a
Speaker 3: dilemma for a lot of people this week where I
Speaker 3: don't know what to make of him. But as we
Speaker 3: were talking about with Ericson, he's a nice guy to
Speaker 3: have if you're like an underdog or if you're trying
Speaker 3: to play catch up after maybe falling into a hole
Speaker 3: with the Christmas Day games or the Thursday night game,
Speaker 3: like Jamo is a guy if you're a dog or
Speaker 3: have to make a comeback, you feel pretty good about
Speaker 3: having him because, you know, whatever, if he has a
Speaker 3: dud game and gets thirty some yards, you were probably
Speaker 3: gonna lose anyway. But he's also the guy who could
Speaker 3: get you one hundred and seventy yards and a touchdown
Speaker 3: if things break right.
Speaker 1: So we kind of talked a lot about this a
Speaker 1: little bit on the Thursday Show. But just for anybody
Speaker 1: who who didn't catch that one, Monday night, you're down,
Speaker 1: you have Jamison Williams, they have nobody left. How many
Speaker 1: points would you need to be down for you to
Speaker 1: feel confident going into that situation with only Jamison Williams left?
Speaker 4: Oh Man, Like, if you've got the lead.
Speaker 1: No, no, the opposite. Oh, I guess you could do
Speaker 1: it early either way. But what is the line where
Speaker 1: you're feeling confident that Jameson Williams is overcoming this lead
Speaker 1: or deficit if you're on the other side of it.
Speaker 3: Oh Man, Like, if I'm in the if I'm down
Speaker 3: with Jamison Williams.
Speaker 1: Like, because if it's like thirty five points, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe it happens, but like you would never You're feeling
Speaker 1: pretty bad about that thirteen Like okay, like it's possible,
Speaker 1: but it's not a guarantee. Three Okay, Yeah, he's definitely
Speaker 1: getting that. What's the line where you're like, I'm feeling
Speaker 1: pretty good that Jameson Williams is going to be a
Speaker 1: fantasy hero for me.
Speaker 4: I think I think it's pretty low.
Speaker 3: Like I think you need to only be like seven
Speaker 3: down or six down or something like that, because that's
Speaker 3: the thing. I mean, Jamo could give you three for
Speaker 3: thirty five, yeah, you know, and PPR that's six and
Speaker 3: a half points. But at the same time, if I'm
Speaker 3: going against Jamison Williams, I don't want to be up
Speaker 3: at least twenty to feel good about my chances. I
Speaker 3: would want a big, big cushion against Jamison Williams.
Speaker 1: It's definitely scarier to be facing him in the final
Speaker 1: game of your Fantasy title week than it is confident
Speaker 1: to be, you know, throwing him out there for your team.
Speaker 1: I think he's more scary as an opponent than he
Speaker 1: is you know, instilling you with great confidence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the JMO stakeholders have learned to live
Speaker 3: with the boombost profile that you are inevitably going to
Speaker 3: get for him from him. But yes, going against Jamison
Speaker 3: Williams this week is a scary proposition.
Speaker 2: For sure.
Speaker 1: It's going to be a fun week. We've hit every
Speaker 1: matchup here. If it's any other kind of final thoughts,
Speaker 1: just you know, for the Fantasy Championship game, any any.
Speaker 2: Good luck charm you find yourself relying on.
Speaker 1: Are you one of those managers who likes to pick
Speaker 1: up like a Chris Godwin or you know, David Montgomery
Speaker 1: as kind of like an honorary bench spot in this
Speaker 1: title game. What's your mental approach to winning a championship?
Speaker 4: No, it's just sort of a coincidence.
Speaker 3: I think I've been wearing my tag Strong T shirt
Speaker 3: on NFL Sundays for the last couple of weeks, and
Speaker 3: the Fantasy playoffs have gone reasonably well so far. So
Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna have to do some laundry before
Speaker 3: Sunday and make sure my tag Strong T shirt is
Speaker 3: clean for the big deal.
Speaker 2: Or maybe don't do some laundry. You want to leave it,
Speaker 2: you know the way it has been this whole time.
Speaker 2: I assume you haven't been watching it.
Speaker 3: I'm just worried it's gonna like walk out of the
Speaker 3: house if I don't get it in the laundry pretty soon.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll have of there. Thank you everybody for
Speaker 1: tuning in. Hope de Brose enjoying the time with the
Speaker 1: in laws. We are going to have a show next week.
Speaker 1: It's going to, I think, be a slightly varied version
Speaker 1: of this show, given that most Fantasy championships are out.
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent sure what it's gonna look
Speaker 1: like yet, but we will be back in some capacity
Speaker 1: next week. There'll be a few shows next week, but
Speaker 1: maybe a more modified schedule compared to what we're doing
Speaker 1: all season long. But it's been a joy to do
Speaker 1: this show all season long. I hope we have helped
Speaker 1: somebody out there win a fantasy championship and hopefully a
Speaker 1: whole lot of somebody's So I really this is, you know,
Speaker 1: one of my favorite shows to do every week fits,
Speaker 1: So it's been a pleasure to do it with you
Speaker 1: and with Debro again for the season. And yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope everybody else has enjoyed the ride too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, likewise, worm, this is one of my favorite shows
Speaker 3: to do, and just because a lot of times we
Speaker 3: spin off into completely unplanned directions over the course of
Speaker 3: the show, just things kind of come up organically, and
Speaker 3: I sort of like it that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do. It's too, a very fun show. So
Speaker 2: best of luck to everybody.
Speaker 1: Happy holidays for those who still have kind of festivities
Speaker 1: going on throughout the weekend. You know, thanks to my
Speaker 1: parents for hosting me for Christmas stuff and for letting
Speaker 1: me take over my mom's office to do these shows
Speaker 1: during the week. It's been It's always fun to play
Speaker 1: a road Game and hosts from some more different spot
Speaker 1: than usual, But yeah shouts everybody celebrating the holidays and
Speaker 1: celebrating hopefully a fantasy title this weekend Forfeits and Debro.
Speaker 1: I'm Ryan Warmley. Thanks everybody for tuning in and we'll
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