1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Welcome Inside with the Insiders alongside Judy Batista, Ian Rappaport, 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: Mike Garrett Fullo. I am Tom Pellicero. It is the 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Monday YouTube and podcast edition of the show. If you 4 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: didn't catch part one doesn't matter, start here, go back 5 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: and find it, or if you want to go to 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: that one, do that then. Miss we're talking about different subjects. 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: The point is you should listen to both because you know, 8 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: it's a fun place to hang out. Let's talk here 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: as we kick off part two about the Ravens and 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: the Steelers, because Judy, we've seen Pittsburgh, says, Russell Wilson 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: took over play some pretty impressive football. We also saw 12 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: that there were some bumps in the road. Russ throws 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: a pick in that game yesterday. It's a little bit edgy, 14 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: but as so many times we've seen it through the years, 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: particularly in the Lamar Jackson era. When it comes right 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: down to it, the Chiefs are one of Lamar's bugaboos 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: and the Steelers are the other one. 18 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they Have's number for whatever reason, they 19 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: have Lamar's number. I mean yesterday was you know, this 20 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: was certainly not Russell Wilson's best performance as a Steelers quarterback. 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: I mean, they kicked a bunch of field goals. They're 22 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: lucky that Chris Boswell is as good as Chris Boswell is. 23 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: That's how they won the game. The interception he threw 24 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,039 Speaker 2: was just like, I mean, I was watching it in 25 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 2: the press box in Buffalo, was already in the stadium, 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: and I mean the entire press bogs weren't. Oh like, 27 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 2: it was just a terrible throw, right, It's terrible play. 28 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: What are you doing? But that defense is awfully good. 29 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 2: And the Ravens and a few of their games have 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: gone like this, like self inflicted wounds, right, like so 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 2: many penalties they had like twelve penalties yesterday, three turnovers 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 2: if like that is their undoing as much as it 33 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: was the Steelers like that. And of course the Justin 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: Tucker misses, which now that's suddenly a concern, which obviously 35 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 2: for years you never even thought about. Now that's a 36 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: major problem. So it was all self inflicted, right. I mean, 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 2: if if the Ravens don't do those things, they probably 38 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 2: win the game because the Steelers couldn't score either. It 39 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 2: was but I said this going into that game, I 40 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: love that rivalry. They just crash into each other on 41 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 2: every play, like that one interception where you know the 42 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 2: Steeler defender just lipped the ball out while they're coming down. 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: I mean, just Peyton Wilson, right, that was all right, just. 44 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: Like bare knuckle football. It was great, and I would well, 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:39,799 Speaker 2: I don't know if we will see them face each 46 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: other in January, but I sure hope so because I 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 2: love those games. 48 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: Believe these stats too, real quick, So Lamar is one 49 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,959 Speaker 1: and four, is the starter, but he's played against the 50 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: Steelers seven times. And you think about how great Lamar's 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: stats are against almost everyone, especially the NFC, but against 52 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: almost everyone against Pittsburgh in his career five touchdown passes, 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 1: eighty interceptions, he has been sacked twenty two times. He's 54 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: only beaten them once as a starter, Like there is 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: something at some point to that, because this is these 56 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: have not been great Steelers teams a lot of times 57 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 1: in recent years. You know, they've started a mismash of 58 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 1: quarterbacks too. But for whatever reason, this matchup has not 59 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: been favorable. 60 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 3: So Lamar right, And you. 61 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 4: Know, if you're the Ravens, and I think the Ravens 62 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,399 Speaker 4: really do have at least the capabilities to look more 63 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 4: like maybe the Lions than almost anyone else. 64 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 3: We're talking about the Lions in the previous podcast. 65 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 4: Like they could they could overpower you, they could run 66 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 4: for three hundred yards. They have an absolutely electric quarterback 67 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 4: different from GoF but you know, a quarterback who could 68 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: win it himself. 69 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 3: And it's like this is sort of their kryptonite. And 70 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 3: I don't really understand why. 71 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 4: But then watching the game, everything was tough for Lamar, 72 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 4: like literally everything, and you know they're right there. I 73 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 4: mean the play call on the on the you know, 74 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 4: two point conversion. I would have some some questions about it. 75 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 4: I kind of won, and maybe we'll never know. I 76 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 4: wonder if somebody screwed something up because it looked like 77 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 4: a play that was not run properly, just like I 78 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 4: would I would. 79 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: Like the timing seemed off on it. It's a designed run. 80 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: But I agree they're just it looked like something was 81 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: off just with the timing of the play. 82 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: It looked to me like almost like he thought he 83 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: was gonna throw it or so I wasn't sure, Like 84 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 4: it was like it's basically like midway through the play, 85 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 4: I go, this is this is obviously not gonna work. 86 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 4: So it was just it's interesting how how tough they 87 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 4: make it. Yeah, I mean I I absolutely loved watching 88 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 4: it too. 89 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 3: I'll tell you. 90 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 4: The other thing was we were talking about Bill's Chiefs 91 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 4: and you know, all the great teams, like we are 92 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 4: all creatures of seeing the quarterback annointing or not, because 93 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 4: so many of our conversations, not ours but the world 94 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 4: but also ours. 95 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 3: Are about the quarterbacks. 96 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: And because everyone kind of thinks Russell Wilson is like 97 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 4: not that guy anymore, which you know certainly was not yesterday. 98 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: It's like the Steelers are going to be underrated the 99 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 4: whole year. They are tough, they are physical, they run, 100 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 4: they make plays. They got George Pickens, who is certainly awesome, 101 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 4: and they have a quarterback who is not the best 102 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 4: player on the team, and we are going to underrate 103 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: them the whole season. 104 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 3: And I don't think Mike tom Win cares very much. 105 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 4: But like I am very prepared for them to be 106 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:22,160 Speaker 4: underdogs at some point in the playoffs and then beat 107 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 4: someone in everym deck what but like they're as good 108 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 4: as those teams. 109 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 3: That is what I feel like. 110 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 5: I just don't understand how the Steelers are and you're 111 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 5: playing good defense, right, duh, I know the answer to it. 112 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 5: But also, how do they get the other team to 113 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 5: play that type of game? How do you get them 114 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 5: trapped into your trap? Because Baltimore, you don't want to 115 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 5: play that kind of game. You'd rather have a bit 116 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 5: of a track meet, and you know that you can 117 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 5: trust your offense to do that. Henry comes in, gets 118 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 5: the ball, first play the game. I think it was 119 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,480 Speaker 5: the first play the game, fumbles first time in like 120 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 5: five hundred and something touches. 121 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 6: From from what I gather, it was a lot. 122 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's like first playing the game, like how 123 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 5: all of us and all of a sudden you knew. 124 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 5: You're like, okay, this is exactly the game that Pittsburgh 125 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 5: wants to play. We are five seconds into the game. Yeah, 126 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 5: it was at least five hundred for Henry and touches. Yeah, 127 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 5: it's it's And if you watch The Insiders on Friday 128 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 5: night an NFL network, you would have seen the Terrell Austin, 129 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 5: the defensive coordinator of the Steelers, said that you got 130 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 5: to make that choice between running game and their passing game. 131 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 6: Which one are we gonna try to stop. 132 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 5: We're going to try to stop the running game, and 133 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 5: they did a good job of that thirteen for sixty five. 134 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 5: I believe Henry final numbers with that one long thirty one. 135 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 5: I hate to do that because he's always got a 136 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 5: long run. You take it away and you go, oh, 137 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 5: the numbers look a lot better. But they did do 138 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,280 Speaker 5: on twelve of his thirteen carries at a really good 139 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 5: job of keeping him in check. So just an incredible 140 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 5: job of getting them. I don't know if it's it's 141 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 5: a psych them out type of thing, but immediately coming 142 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 5: into the game, getting them to play the kind of 143 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,240 Speaker 5: game that they wanted, and the longer it went on, 144 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 5: the more you're like, Okay, this lends itself to exactly 145 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 5: what Pittsburgh wants. 146 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: So the Steelers now, if you just think about this 147 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: inters of how we've talked about him this year, the 148 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: Steelers are up two games in the lost column right 149 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: now because the Ravens have four losses. They of course 150 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: have to have the two bad ones to the Browns 151 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: and the Raiders. I'm not saying that's separation right now, 152 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: but certainly Pittsburgh now controls their path to winning the 153 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: division and getting a home playoff game and not having 154 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: to be the team that's got to go into one 155 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: of these places and you know, try to win on 156 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: the road. As we get into late January, you know, 157 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: go ahead. 158 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: I was sorry. 159 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 4: I was just thinking of something as you were saying. 160 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 4: So one of the other things that I meant to 161 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 4: mention but didn't. We saw a couple justin fields runs yesterday. 162 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 4: Now one of them he slid up a yard before 163 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: the first down marker, which would have been a horrendous 164 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 4: gap except they won. 165 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: So it was just kind of funny. 166 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 6: But he is that he's saying. 167 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 3: The first thing was hilarious. 168 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 4: It's I only laughed because if I was like a 169 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: more athletic person, it's definitely something I would do. 170 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 3: You know, It's like you dunk on everyone then it's like, wait, 171 00:07:58,960 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 3: what what just happened? 172 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: Good? 173 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: This up? Anyway, I thought it was funny. 174 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 4: He looked unbelievably fast in that like rough and tumble game, 175 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 4: and he really can be if they unleash him a 176 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 4: little bit. He give me a good regular quarterback, which 177 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 4: we saw, but as a change up like that can 178 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 4: be really successful. And I liked the look of that. 179 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 5: Yesterday, five hundred and thirty three touches Blake worked hard 180 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 5: for that, so I was one of years five hundred 181 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 5: and thirty three touches there for Derek Hendry. 182 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 6: Henry Henry A good Hey Hendry. 183 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: Very solid hen So elsewhere in that same Division two, 184 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: We've waited all year for the Bengals to put it 185 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 1: together and the Bengals not to, Judy get their hearts 186 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: ripped out repeatedly. I mean last night in the second half, 187 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: when the Bengals all of a sudden made it a game, 188 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 1: like we we know how good the Bengals offense is. Okay, 189 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: every week you see what they are capable of doing. 190 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:57,440 Speaker 1: I don't know who those corners were that lu An 191 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: Arumo was playing with. I'm not sure he knew who 192 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,079 Speaker 1: the guys were out there because there were so you 193 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: bench one, you have multiple injuries. You finally get some 194 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: plays from the guy from Michigan and then he breaks 195 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: his collarbone. DJ Turner like they've got guys out there. 196 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: I literally am like I'm looking at the name plates 197 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: and going, I don't know who that guy is. And 198 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: it was almost enough. If Evan McPherson doesn't continue to struggle, Judy, 199 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: they're winning that game. They're pulling off one of the 200 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: comebacks of the year on national TV. It would feel 201 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:36,400 Speaker 1: like this is all different. It's hard, They're still in it, 202 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: like they're not dead, but you got to run the 203 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: table and win the next whatever it is six in 204 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: a row here, because they're on the by this week 205 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: and they got six games after that. You're gonna have 206 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: to win them all to get to ten and seven 207 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 1: and be on the precipice of it. And it just 208 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 1: feels like, again, anything's possible. But it does feel like 209 00:09:55,400 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: we're wasting a really really fun and talented off because 210 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: they just they aren't good enough personnel wise on defense 211 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: and their kicker, who is such a weapon for them 212 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 1: during the Super Bowl run several years ago. Does it 213 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: look like the same guy right now? 214 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 2: Or as jam R Chase said, that's why we pay 215 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: him all those bocks to make those kicks. Jamar Chase 216 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 2: is this close to I mean, he is really biting hard. 217 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: He is really McPherson's money, but he is he. 218 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: Is clearly very very close to going off. Joe Burrow. 219 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: There's video circulating on social media of somebody who just 220 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 2: video Joe Burrow like shaking hands and then walking off 221 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: the field and I mean it is like the saddest, 222 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: saddest video you've ever seen. He is just like broken, 223 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: He just looks completely defeated. I mean, they're wasting an 224 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 2: incredible season by him and Chase. I mean, they're both 225 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 2: just playing. I said this a few weeks ago after 226 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: another gut wrenching loss, Like I don't know how much 227 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 2: better those two guys could possibly be playing like they 228 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 2: just I don't know what else they could do. They 229 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 2: might have more heartbreaking losses this season than I mean, 230 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 2: the Bears certainly are challenging for that title, but I mean, 231 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 2: given the Bengals talent level, they have more heartbreaking losses 232 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: and being so so close, you know, the especially you know, 233 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 2: the Chargers, to their credit, did not do the full chargering, 234 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:35,920 Speaker 2: which that's a credit to Harbaugh and Justin Herbert that 235 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: they were not going to go all the way down 236 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: into Chargers history. But you know, it just feels too 237 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: late for the for the Bengals now to not be 238 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 2: able to pull that off. After you come roaring all 239 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: the way back and then you know, have the two 240 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 2: miss field goals that it just feels like too much 241 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: of a gut punch and it's probably too deep of 242 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 2: a hole for the Bengals. 243 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 4: Now, you know, I'm probably if the Bengals finish like 244 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 4: you know, five and twelve or whatever, when they're five 245 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 4: and eleven, I'm gonna be like, I. 246 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 3: Think they got a chance to the playoffs. 247 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: So they just they just kind of like because that 248 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 4: is what I feel like, and like can they win off? 249 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 4: You know, can they reel off? Like however many it 250 00:12:18,559 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 4: is six in a row? Like they can They could 251 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 4: win all of the games they've lost somehow these games, 252 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 4: but they could win all the games. And I texted 253 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 4: somebody yesterday midway through the game when I was pretty 254 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 4: sure the Bengals are gonna win, and it was basically like, 255 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 4: you know, these are some of the game These are 256 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 4: usually the games that the Bengals have lost this year. 257 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: Thinking they were gonna win. 258 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:39,440 Speaker 6: Was a Bengals person. Was it because they don't like 259 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:40,079 Speaker 6: when you do that? 260 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 4: No, no, it was you were on actually on the chat, 261 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 4: but anyway, and it's true, like they yeah, that's probably right. 262 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 4: These are the games that they have they have lost 263 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 4: this year, and like they have been one play away 264 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 4: or two plays away and kicker issues and it's unbelievable. 265 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 4: Like Feerson is a very good kicker, and there have 266 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 4: been struggles from kickers all across the league, but it 267 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 4: is unbelievable the animosity toward kickers when everyone in the 268 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 4: world does everything you need to do to win a 269 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 4: game and the kicker misses two stupid kicks in the 270 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 4: fourth quarter and everyone gets so mad, and I get it, 271 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 4: because kickers are the worst. 272 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 5: Take it through the Bengals losses this year, the one 273 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 5: to the Patriots Week one, which was affected by Jamar 274 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 5: Chase's holdout because he definitely was not right on that 275 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 5: one Chiefs pass interference that. 276 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 6: I don't know commanders. They got beat. It was a 277 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 6: close game, they got beat. They Jayden Daniels. That was 278 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 6: a coming out party for him. 279 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 5: Ravens should have won, should have won in regulation, took 280 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 5: that thing the overtime lost there. McPherson, I think missed 281 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 5: at least one kick in that game. Eagles got spanked. Fine, 282 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 5: whatever the Ravens was the two point conversion that they did. 283 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 1: I was there. That was a tie game in the 284 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 1: late third quarter. And then the Eagles hit a couple 285 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: of plays, but even that was competitive. 286 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, go And then the Chargers game that they should 287 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 5: have won. McPherson makes, uh makes a kick there, which 288 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 5: had be thinking. As I laid down the bed last 289 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 5: night at very long game that was one of our 290 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 5: longer Sunday night games, I'm thinking to myself, how do 291 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 5: you how do you board that? 292 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 6: It's a cross country flight? How do you board? Like? 293 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:17,959 Speaker 6: I would run to the plane, I'd be the first 294 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 6: one on. I'd go all the way to the back. 295 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 5: I'd sit there, pretend to be sleeping, and you wouldn't 296 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 5: see me until everybody had exited the plane when we 297 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 5: landed back in Cincinnati, Like, how do you deal with that? 298 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 6: As a kicker? That's got to be the It's got 299 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 6: to be. 300 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: The you're right there, Mike, Yep, we lost Mike. Mike's 301 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: Mike came unplugged. I would just. 302 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 6: Can you hear me? 303 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 3: I can't? 304 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, now we got you notes, don't start cursing. Uh. 305 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: I was just button button up at this point on 306 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: this We talked so much about quarterback play and how 307 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: that dictates everything here. If you told me going into 308 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: the season that Joe Burrow would be sitting here after 309 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: Week eleven, number one in the league in passing, yards, 310 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: number one in touchdown passes, number three in passer rating. 311 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: There is no way I am guessing the Bengals record 312 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: is what it is. Last night they got a chance 313 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: to knock off a Chargers team that looks absolutely like, 314 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 1: oh my god, Jim Harbaugh is about to turn around, 315 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: pull off another instant turnaround, and they are now a 316 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: threat to make noise in the place. They almost beat 317 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: them on the road, and instead they head back to 318 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: Cincinnati with whatever margin for error still existed not totally vanished. 319 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: We had a lot of rivalry games obviously in Week eleven, Judy, 320 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: including one in Chicago. This was progress for the Bears. 321 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: Most painful ending you could possibly have. Do you watch 322 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: one offense, you look at the numbers, maybe you're closer 323 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: to finding some type of an identity, But that's another 324 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 1: team that doesn't have a whole lot of margin for error. 325 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: They're a blocked kicking a hail mary away from being 326 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: six and four? Reality is there four and six? 327 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 2: I mean, is this a worst way to lose than 328 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 2: the hail mary against the Commanders. That's we can discuss 329 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: it in the off season. Really really bad. But Caleb 330 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: Williams did look better the offense seemed to function better, 331 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: and so that's a bit of a positive for whatever 332 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 2: that's worth. Like, he looked like he was getting the 333 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 2: ball out faster, which was certainly an issue in the 334 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: early part of the season. He looked like he was 335 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 2: also playing with a little more confidence. They seemed to 336 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 2: you know, they got some easy completions form, they got 337 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: DJ more involved. So that was good. So progress except, 338 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: of course, like to what end, right, they're not winning games, 339 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 2: so they have no margin for error. It's hard to 340 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 2: imagine that there are not going to be wholesale changes 341 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: once the season is over. I mean, bigger changes than 342 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: we've seen. So I mean, yes, it's progressing. I think you, 343 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 2: no matter how this season ends, presumably without a playoffs, 344 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 2: but you, at least for Caleb William's sake, you want 345 00:16:54,760 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: him to finish on a you know, on a rise, 346 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 2: so that at least he has some confidence going into 347 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: the off season if there is a coaching change. But certainly, yes, 348 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 2: I thought there were some positives for the offense, but 349 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: obviously another just cut, punchable loss for them. 350 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,120 Speaker 3: Did we talk about kickers kickers? Let's talk about kickers kickers? 351 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 2: Well, that's that's also a question of like, should they 352 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: have tried one more play to get the ball a 353 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: little to get a little. 354 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 3: Closer, or a couple more. 355 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 4: I think, didn't they have one thirty or something? You know, 356 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 4: that's coach, I mean, that's coach, that's coaches. Yeah, no, 357 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 4: I agree. And you know, we started this podcast on 358 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 4: the other podcast talking about coaches who were rightly aggressive 359 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 4: and were rewarded for being aggressive. 360 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 3: This was the opposite, it seemed. Now, you know, you 361 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:42,199 Speaker 3: should be. 362 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 4: Able to make a forty six yarder, but you also 363 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 4: should be able to make a thirty five yarder, which 364 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 4: is much easier than forty six yard because it's eleven 365 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 4: yards shorter. And so I think that you're right. It 366 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 4: was a gut punch. Kickers are the worst. But to me, 367 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 4: it's weird because it looked it really looked much better, 368 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 4: Like it really looked much better. And I think if 369 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 4: you didn't tell me the score, you just let me 370 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 4: watch the game, I would say this is a much 371 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 4: better version of what the Bears have wanted, and it certainly 372 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 4: explains the off it'sive coordinator change. 373 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 3: So Caleb did not get benched. 374 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 4: Anthony Richardson did get benched, and then he started yesterday 375 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 4: and that was an extremely strange, weird game, especially considering 376 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 4: how it started. And you know, I think I don't 377 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 4: know what the Jets are. I really don't like, I 378 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 4: don't know what the Jets. 379 00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 7: Are, yes, except they have good players and so like, 380 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 7: did we learning thing about Anthony Richardson that he had 381 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:42,240 Speaker 7: a pretty good game against a depleted, downtrodden team doesn't 382 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 7: have their head coach and he's playing for nothing. 383 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:45,239 Speaker 3: Like I don't know. 384 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 4: He looked better, more decisive, and I think it was good. 385 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 4: And if his off the field habits are improved by 386 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 4: getting you know, humulatingly benched, that's good because it is 387 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 4: not a straight line. But yeah, I mean, I don't 388 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 4: know what the Jets are, but definitely better for the 389 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 4: calls positively. 390 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 6: Uh, definitely. 391 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,479 Speaker 5: And he showed some poise And give him credit for 392 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 5: you know, taking the time when he was bench to 393 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 5: you know, look at things around him, make himself better 394 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 5: in some kind of way. He stayed in it, he 395 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 5: was involved. Good for Anthony Richardson. You hope it continues 396 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 5: for him. And I don't know what the Jets are either, 397 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:23,720 Speaker 5: but we're looking like a full clean out there after 398 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 5: the season, we'll see broccos. 399 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 1: Huh yeah, no, go ahead, go ahead. I was just 400 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: gonna say for the Jets too. It's it's it's so 401 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: far beyond just your strict like should they you know, 402 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: fire people like they already fired the head coach. There 403 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: are two and three and they were still in it 404 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: in the division. It's it's there's so many decisions that 405 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: need to be made and so many different things to 406 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: lean on each other, including the future of Aaron Rodgers. 407 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: By the way, is that Netflix documentary come out yet? 408 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,440 Speaker 1: Instagram was feeding me that earlier today. What's what's the 409 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: big the don juma of that documentary going to be? 410 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: Because it's supposed to be right the trial, I would 411 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: think it's supposed to be like the Triumphant Return. I 412 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,640 Speaker 1: don't I don't know if they finished the edit yet, Mike, 413 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 1: but I would think that. 414 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 5: I don't know, But I just can't believe we're at 415 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 5: a point now where I didn't think we'd be, which 416 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 5: is the Jets fan base is over Aaron Rodgers. 417 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,399 Speaker 6: And I know this because over like nothing. 418 00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 2: With him, move on. 419 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 5: They're like, onward, my buddy, yesterday, let's pictures my buddy, 420 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 5: yesterday was sending me. He goes, I'm just gonna text 421 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 5: you pictures of me in the stands as the game 422 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 5: moves along and make sure there's no you know, he's 423 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 5: got got this one here that was. 424 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 6: A bad one. Then he was falling asleep. Oh my god, 425 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 6: I can't believe I'm spending my day doing this. 426 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 5: And then oh wait a second, we're back in the 427 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 5: game here and there's Armando his friend. 428 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 6: Uh. And then this was when things were going well here, 429 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 6: this was, oh my god, I'm gonna win this game. 430 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 6: And then this was him on the way out. That's 431 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 6: a towel over his head, right. So he told me 432 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 6: to use this stuff, so I did. 433 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 5: There you go, I think I was talking Broncos Bronick Bons. Yes, 434 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 5: the conversation for Rookie of the Year here alongside Jayden Daniels. 435 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 5: Uh that those guys, those guys reset themselves, uh Bonex 436 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 5: and Sean Payton early and even not reset themselves, but 437 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 5: they you know, always saw the screaming on the sideline, 438 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 5: and they worked to make things better and work to 439 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 5: make him more comfortable. 440 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 6: He's done a great job with that. He's done a 441 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 6: fantastic job of that. 442 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 5: They've got players on this team that you don't know 443 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 5: if you're just a uh casual NFL fan. Quinn minors 444 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:35,480 Speaker 5: the guard yesterday, just watching him do what he does, 445 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 5: as physical as he is and as much energy and 446 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 5: emotion as he brings to the table. Uh belly, Yeah, 447 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 5: the belly Ian had a great draft report of his belly. Defensively, Defensively, 448 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 5: they had linebackers who made plays. Cody Barton, a veteran 449 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 5: they they they brought in this offseason. This his first 450 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:54,959 Speaker 5: year with the Broncos. 451 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 6: I believe it's a really good team. 452 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:58,959 Speaker 5: This is a really good team and they're gonna win 453 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 5: some games down the stretch and they're in a position 454 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 5: to make the playoffs. And do you want to go 455 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:04,919 Speaker 5: up against a Sean Payton coach team more of an 456 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 5: upstart type team. I mean, they've got this confidence and 457 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 5: energy building. They're doing a great job. 458 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 6: They're a fun team to watch. 459 00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: Sean John Payton is a really good coach and he's 460 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: showing it right now. I would also say, you know, 461 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: credit to George Payton spelled differently, different guy. He's the 462 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: general manager of the team for continuing to put the 463 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: pieces in place and to gather the resources that they've 464 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: needed to to make up for you know, what happened 465 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson. I think that Russell Wilson playing in 466 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: as well as he is in Pittsburgh as well, also 467 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: makes you feel a little bit differently about Hey, maybe 468 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: environmental factors are huge for quarterbacks and offenses in general. 469 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: And maybe, I mean, you can say whatever you want 470 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: about Nathaniel Hackett. If you have a different quarterback there, 471 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: or if you have Russe Wilson with a different coach, 472 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: maybe the whole thing augurs differently here. You know, now 473 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: we're seeing he's in the perfect spot in Pittsburgh. They're 474 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: playing more like they did in Seattle days playing well. 475 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 6: But that's. 476 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,480 Speaker 5: Bring up another point, well, real quick, going back to 477 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 5: the bow Knicks early in the year and yelling back 478 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 5: and being able to take that kind of coaching that 479 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 5: wasn't gonna work for Russell Wilson. He needed to be 480 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 5: lifted up, and it's working for bow Nicks. That's why 481 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 5: you give those guys credit. 482 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 6: Good idea. 483 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: So back back to the go ahead trip. 484 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 4: No, I was just going to bring up a point 485 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 4: of how much does Sean Payton hate his old division you, 486 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,679 Speaker 4: Oh yeah anymore? 487 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 3: Doesn't hate me anymore? I don't think. Maybe he does, 488 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 3: but I don't think he does. 489 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 4: How much does he hate the NFC South like destroyed 490 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 4: the Panthers? 491 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 2: He should love them? 492 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 3: They killing Droid? 493 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 4: The Falcons like, well, I don't know when they play? 494 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 4: When did they play? The Bucks must be at some point, 495 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 4: I don't like. There's a there's a Sean Payton former 496 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 4: Division revenge tour going on and it is so petty 497 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 4: and hilarious and it's the most Sean Payton thing ever. 498 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 1: So just to put a button on my point here too, 499 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: George Payton got a lot of blowback for what happened 500 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: with Russell Wilson Nathaniel Hackett. And that's just to give 501 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: up three first round picks and or multiple first round picks, 502 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 1: multi other high picks to go get Russell Wilson. It 503 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:07,120 Speaker 1: doesn't work out. 504 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: You hired nothing. 505 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 6: That was the first win he's. 506 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: Fired in less than ay. You're gonna get this point 507 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: out all the other moves. You look at the drafts. 508 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: You look at taking Patrick Sir Tam when the whole 509 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: world was calling for you to take justin Fields. You 510 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: look at the trade stuff like von Miller buying that 511 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: down and gaining a couple of high draft picks, trading 512 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: Bradley Chubb for a first rounder to Miami. There's more 513 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: things to it. The quarterback matters, the head coach matters, absolutely, 514 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: But it's a great lesson again in if you believe 515 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: you've got the right people and you are able to 516 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: see what the plan is, you can have missus. Nobody 517 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: bats a thousand in this league. You're seeing the fruits 518 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: of that begin to pay off now that you've got 519 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: the right coach in place with a quarterback that everybody 520 00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: in the league thought and knew was perfect. For Sean Payton, 521 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 1: Good for the Broncos for being relevant again, because it's 522 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: fun when Denver is good and in the picture, especially 523 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,880 Speaker 1: when we get the those December and January snow glow 524 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: type of games in that stadium. All right, Monday Night Football, 525 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: wrapping up Week eleven. It's the Cowboys and the Texans. Judy, 526 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: we got Nico Collins back. We're gonna have ceede lamb 527 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: out there. It sounds like, despite the injury scare over 528 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,159 Speaker 1: the weekend, this is this is an important game for 529 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: the Cowboys to stay alive, but also for the Texans 530 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: to not lose whatever grip they got left on the 531 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: AFC South. 532 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: Well, the good news for the Texans A they're getting 533 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 2: healthier and B they've got like three games here that 534 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 2: they should win, like winnable games, very winnable games coming up. 535 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: This is the first one. And this is an opportunity. 536 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:42,879 Speaker 3: You know. 537 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 2: They obviously they lost a Thursday night game to the Jets, 538 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 2: which was sort of right, like a little mind boggling, 539 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: and then they you know, to lose the Alliance is 540 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: no shame, but this is an opportunity now for them 541 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 2: to straighten themselves out. I mean, the AFC South, they're 542 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 2: not really it's hard to imagine that the Colts could 543 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: really push them, really get past them. So this is 544 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: a chance for the for the Texans to right themselves 545 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 2: as they go, you know into December and then eventually January. 546 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 2: I mean for the Cowboys, like it feels like the 547 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 2: Cowboys season is over frankly, and that you know, I 548 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 2: mean they're just playing out the string. I mean, that's 549 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 2: that's what it feels like. It has it's. 550 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, every Cowboys fan I know is just sad 551 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 4: and upset and not interested and being pissed off about 552 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 4: a team is one thing. Being not interested is definitely 553 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 4: the worst. My guess is tonight they will still be 554 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 4: not interested and it will continue to be the worst. 555 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 4: One quick thing I would say about the Texans is 556 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 4: it felt like everyone's stopped paying attention to them when 557 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,880 Speaker 4: they lost to the Jets. Everyone's like, oh, Okay, they're 558 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 4: not real, and like that's just what it feels like. 559 00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,919 Speaker 4: And I think they are real, and I think they 560 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 4: will get it figured out. But they got to win 561 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 4: all three and maybe they won't wake people. Maybe people 562 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 4: will still sleep in them forever, and maybe they'll still 563 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,879 Speaker 4: have that like Saturday playoff game that they usually have, 564 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,320 Speaker 4: you know, like middle of the dawn Saturday and whatever. 565 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 4: But I still think they're really good and they just 566 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 4: you know, to announce that you got to win, and 567 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,439 Speaker 4: probably win by a lot starting to I. 568 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,199 Speaker 6: Think they had the name of a primetime game last year. 569 00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 6: Maybe it was that Saturday afternoon game. 570 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 2: Again, I was at the Saturday afternoon game. I think 571 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: they played the Houston. 572 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 6: Yeah, remember they played the They played the Browns. They 573 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 6: beat Joe Flecco really bad. 574 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 4: Uh. 575 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 5: Speaking of Texans, Nico Collins back in the lineup tonight, 576 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 5: Nico goes off. 577 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,600 Speaker 6: You heard it here first, full go, He's gonna go off. 578 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 3: You are not the first person to say that. 579 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 6: It doesn't matter. I'm predicting it right here. 580 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,920 Speaker 1: Short of the secondary. Still no deron Bland, Nico Collins 581 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 1: sneaky fast with those long strides. I'm with my I mean, 582 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 1: I would think that's where the offense goes through. They've 583 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: been beat up at receiver, they've been beat up at 584 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: running back, they've been really beat up on the offensive line. 585 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: If you've got a chance to kind of right the ship, 586 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be getting the ball to meath See. 587 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 5: Ian, It's okay for multiple people to say the same thing. 588 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 5: You don't have to be the first one that says. 589 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 3: That you said you heard it here first. It's literally 590 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 3: not did I say here? 591 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 6: You rewind that? Did I say that? If I said that, 592 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 6: I didn't mean to say it. I got to say we. 593 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,720 Speaker 1: Also real quick before we go, we have breaking news 594 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: about this game tonight. The Cowboys, for the first time 595 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: in over two years, are opening the roof of AT 596 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: and T Stadium for the game tonight. So basically, Jerry, 597 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: listen for a week, do all the talk about get 598 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,440 Speaker 1: you some curtains, the sun everything else. I understand this 599 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: to night game, but he's like, you know what, We're 600 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: really gonna make this feel like an outdoor game. Hey, 601 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 1: not a whole lot else has worked to try to 602 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: bring out this the Moonlight. That'll be a great post game. 603 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: And ceed's locker did you lose that one in the 604 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: moon It's pretty good hopefully, not a lot of storylines, 605 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. Thank you guys everybody for watching 606 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: and hanging out with us. Here again every Monday YouTube 607 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: and on the podcast post around seven pm, six pm 608 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: Eastern Time. Then we got the NFL Network show seven 609 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: pm Eastern Time Tuesday, Wednesday and Friday. We also have 610 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: a fast streaming show that he is on six pm 611 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: on Thursdays. I hope I'm getting all these times right. 612 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: It's a podcast five days a week. If you can't 613 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: follow all that, you don't on the TV, that's weird. 614 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 1: But also you can get the podcast five days a 615 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: week for Pike and Ian and Judy. 616 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,479 Speaker 3: I'm Tom. 617 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: We will see