1 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 3 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Jake. 4 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:24,159 Speaker 3: Arms And. 5 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 4: Welcome to a replay of the Armstrong and Getty Show. 6 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 4: We are on vacation, but boy, do we have some 7 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 4: good stuff for you. Yes, indeed we do. 8 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 5: And if you want to catch up on your ang 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 5: listening during your travels, remember grab the podcast Armstrong and 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 5: Getty on demand. You ought to subscribe wherever you like 11 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 5: to get podcasts. 12 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 6: No. 13 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 2: On with the enfotainment George Orwell's. 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 5: Animal Farm, which is worth discussing on a number of 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 5: different levels, including the fact that Orwell had written several 16 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 5: things prior to it which were not very good and 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 5: was really struggling as a writer, and it just his 18 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 5: projects didn't come together quite right, and it would have 19 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 5: been very easy to give up. I mean, he's rightfully 20 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 5: worshiped for his prescient, you know, and insightful descriptions of 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 5: totalitarianism and how it works and how it progresses inch 22 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 5: by inch and stuff like that. But hell, he's a 23 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 5: testament to hanging in there and you know, working hard anyway. 24 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 5: So I came across this threat of comment on Animal Farm, which, 25 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,559 Speaker 5: if you haven't read it since. 26 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 2: High school, read it again. I try to read it 27 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 2: every couple of years. 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 4: It's about talking pigs, right, well, quite a few talking animals. 29 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: Jack. It's practically a Disney film. It's just wonderful. So 30 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: read it to your three year kind of a Charlotte 31 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 2: oh Web like thing. 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 5: Yes, unless your three year old likes mass executions. Don't 33 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 5: read the Animal Farm anyway. So this, this author has 34 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 5: trotted out ten truths from Animal Farm, or well warned 35 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 5: us to never forget. And the first is revolution contains 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 5: the seeds of its own corruption. Power crrupts ABC one 37 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 5: two three, need not dwell on that power crupts incrementally 38 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 5: through small compromises, and he gives examples from the book. 39 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 5: And the first small inequality sets a precedent that escalates 40 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 5: step by step to mass executions and Napoleon the Pig 41 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 5: becoming an absolute dictator. 42 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 4: Spoiler alert. So spoiler alert on an eighty year old 43 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 4: book that seems to be true. I guess that's why 44 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 4: you don't give an inch huh on a variety of things. 45 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 5: Well, right, yeah, yeah, corruption tends to grow by inches, 46 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 5: not by you know, yards or miles, they get better 47 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 5: as they go. Interestingly, enough, point number three is language 48 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,559 Speaker 5: becomes a weapon to control reality itself. 49 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: We've lived that situation for the past five years or more. 50 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, folks, we probably don't need to expand on that notion, 51 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 5: but if there, if I could boil down, you know, 52 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 5: I've got a list of roughly one hundred and forty 53 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 5: four g hods at this point. But number one, I think, 54 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 5: honestly is to help people understand how when they tell 55 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 5: you what words to use and start changing those words 56 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 5: and demanding that you use their words, not. 57 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: The words you've always used. That's two things. 58 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 5: Number one, they're trying to pervert meaning, and therefore, you 59 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 5: know when the argument by just you know, clouding the waters, 60 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 5: clouding the waters. But secondly, they're demanding an act of 61 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 5: submission from you, and it's an important one because you know, 62 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 5: without free speech, may we be led like dumb animals 63 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 5: to the slaughter? 64 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. But sometimes sometimes it's definitely that. Sometimes 65 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 4: it's just it it helps persuade people. Pro choice sure 66 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 4: is going to persuade more people than pro abortion. 67 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: Right. 68 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 5: Gender affirming care settles the argument. Wait a minute, It's 69 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 5: not a sex change operation or an experiment on a 70 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 5: confused child. It's affirming the gender that they are. How 71 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 5: can you disagree with that? I know the left wins 72 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 5: that battle all the time. I mean, all the conservatives, 73 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 5: Fox News, everybody always adopts the language of the left always. Yeah. 74 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 5: I actually semi regularly badger Fox News to stop using 75 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 5: the term gender affirming care and it and back to 76 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 5: language becoming a weapon of control reality itself. It eventually 77 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 5: culminates in the absurd contradiction all animals are equal, but 78 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 5: some animals are more equal than others. Ignorance is men 79 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 5: you factured to enable oppression. Napoleon, the pig raises puppies 80 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 5: in isolation to become as vicious guard dogs, will deliberately 81 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 5: keeping other animals illiterate so they cannot read the altered commandments. 82 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 5: Am I such a conspiracy theorist that I think? 83 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 2: I mean we? I think most of us have agreed that. 84 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 5: Government schools in America now are indoctrinating kids into postmodernism, 85 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 5: neo Marxism, wokeism. 86 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: Right. 87 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 5: Are they deliberately not teaching the kids to be capable 88 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 5: and self reliant? Or is that kind of an after effect. 89 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 4: I don't know if I believe that, but a good 90 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 4: example would be what the Church at its worst did 91 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 4: up until the you know, Protestant Reformation. 92 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: You weren't. 93 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 4: You weren't in on the ability to read and determine 94 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 4: for yourself what was what was going on? 95 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: Right? Right? 96 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 5: More key takeaways from Animal Farm on its birthday. Historical 97 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 5: memory can be erased and rewritten now speaking or well 98 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 5: read nineteen eighty four, Oh yeah, with Big brother in 99 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 5: all and Big Brothers watching. No read it, you have 100 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 5: to read it again. The idea of erasing historical memory 101 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 5: perverting a people's own history so they don't know who 102 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 5: they are, and then you can supply them an alternate history. 103 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,600 Speaker 4: That puts them where you want them to be. They're 104 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 4: not accidentally Howard zenning our history in schools. It's a deliberate. 105 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 2: Strategy sixteen nineteen project Oh yeah, yeah, exactly. 106 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 5: That was not inaccurate because they move too fast or 107 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 5: something like that. It was deliberately designed to make Western 108 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 5: civilization ashamed of itself and anxious for its own change. 109 00:06:56,200 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 5: Anyway I could elaborate, but erasing history is enormously popular, 110 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 5: is enormously important. Rather uh, point six, propaganda is more 111 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 5: powerful than physical force. 112 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 2: Hmmm, squealer. 113 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 5: The pig constantly threatens that Jones will come back if 114 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 5: animals don't obey, while presenting false statistics showing increased food production, 115 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 5: even as the animals starve. They believe their suffering serves 116 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 5: the greater good. Just bad information. Interesting, scape and those 117 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 5: pigs didn't have the Internet. That's the problem we got. 118 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 5: They didn't have as much misinformation. Oh my gosh. Yeah, 119 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 5: that's a good point, U. Scapegoating enables political manipulation. That's 120 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 5: a kind of self explanatory. I think if you blame, say, 121 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 5: I don't know, white people or Jews or black people 122 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 5: or whatever, for the ills of society, you don't have 123 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 5: to take responsibility for them and fix them. 124 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 2: Point number eight. 125 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 5: Fear and violence reshaped consciousness itself. The uh you know, 126 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 5: the Pig regime created so much terror that even questioning 127 00:08:02,760 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 5: orders became unthinkable. Again, that speaks for itself. Now, this 128 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 5: is one of the parts I really wanted to get to. 129 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 5: Mass conformity is engineered, not natural. This relates directly to 130 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 5: what we've been talking about the last couple of days, 131 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 5: and that's a preference falsification, where everybody starts to believe 132 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 5: everybody believes something other than what they believe. 133 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: It's a deliberate strategy. 134 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 5: And the sheep in Animal Farm are trained to mindlessly 135 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 5: chant slogans and drown out any descent by bleating on 136 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 5: for minutes on end, and they easily switch from four 137 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 5: legs good, two legs bad, to four legs good, two 138 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 5: legs better when the pigs start walking upright. That's what 139 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 5: they're trying to do to the kids too, teach them 140 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 5: to mindlessly bleat. You can choose your gender. White people 141 00:08:56,960 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 5: a white supremacy. We need to eliminate. They have no 142 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 5: idea what they're talking about. They're the useful idiots. The 143 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 5: term you hear sometimes and Jack will semi frequently have 144 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 5: the conversation, do you like the college administrators and the teachers, 145 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 5: the school teachers and all? Do they know that they're 146 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 5: neo Marxist postmodernists trying to tear down Western civilization? And 147 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 5: the answer is some of them do, but a lot 148 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 5: of them are just the sheep from Animal Farm. They're 149 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 5: bleating four legs good, two legs bad. And final point, 150 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 5: the working classes loyalty becomes their exploitation. If you can 151 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 5: get people tribal enough, they will let you get away 152 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 5: with anything. 153 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 2: Anyway, read Animal Farm. 154 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 5: It's great, short and it's got talking animals in it, 155 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 5: so it's pretty much just like I don't know, Finding 156 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 5: Nemo or or the Charlotte's Web. A lot like that 157 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 5: Little Pigs Again, it's more torture and murder, but very 158 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 5: much like this three Yeah worth point. 159 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 4: Now both those books nineteen eighty four and Animal Farm. 160 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 4: You could read it in the afternoon if you really 161 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 4: wanted to. 162 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 5: Animal eighty four us a little longer than that, but 163 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 5: it's it's worth it, absolutely worth it. 164 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 4: It's a compelling read. You just looked up at the 165 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: Twitter feed. Our friend Tim retweeted it. It's a video 166 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 4: of how hedgehogs mate for some reason and need in 167 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 4: the delicate way in which the female hedgehog has to 168 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,559 Speaker 4: flatten her spines so that the male hedgehog can get 169 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 4: up close enough to It's really fascinating some of you It. 170 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: Wasn't, but aren't that appreciate it? 171 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 4: On my list of things I thought I would see 172 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: this morning when I got up, I wasn't hedgehogs mating. 173 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 4: I didn't think that one thing I did think I 174 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 4: would see or hear about. 175 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 2: Lo boo boo. I got nothing to say about it. 176 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 4: I just wanted to get the word on because apparently 177 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 4: you need to say it or discuss it at least 178 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 4: once a day during this current moment in time. 179 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: Loo boo boo. There you go. 180 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 5: Good. We checked that box, we checked the we got 181 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 5: it on the air, all right. Final note on the 182 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 5: animal farm thing. The first comment under the thread the 183 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 5: first time I saw it was there are echoes of 184 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 5: that today. 185 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: That's insightful. Oh that's some good ass right there. Well, 186 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 2: it's better not getting it. I suppose the Armstrong. 187 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:31,319 Speaker 1: And Getdy show, your show podcasts and our hot lakes, 188 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: the arm Strong. 189 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: And Getdy Show. Oh here's how money actually works. Seven 190 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 2: dollars beautiful. Are you about to say something? 191 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 6: No? 192 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 5: Okay, So we're gonna do the one on one class first, 193 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,440 Speaker 5: and then two to one class. If this first part 194 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 5: is too obvious for some of you, Congratulations on understanding 195 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 5: the basics of economics, which is a fairly rare thing 196 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 5: in today's world, which is highly discouraging. But first of all, 197 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 5: they're talking about who's this writer? I like to take 198 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 5: give credit because it's really well written. Matthew Hennessy in 199 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 5: the Wall Street Journalist talking about the fellows in Oasis, 200 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 5: the British rock band which is getting back. 201 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 2: Together, Wonder Wall. He gets back, he gets. 202 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 5: Into some of the backstory, the Gallagher brothers who can't 203 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 5: stand each other and can't get along, but they're the 204 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 5: indispensable members of the band Oasis. Last month, the Boys 205 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 5: Buried the Hatchet and now series twenty twenty five concerts Delirious. 206 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 5: Fans were young and relatively poor during the band's heyday 207 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 5: are now older and relatively rich. They have the willingness 208 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 5: and ability to pay to see Oasis and concert. Economically speaking, 209 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 5: that's called demand, but demand is only one side of 210 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 5: the economic story. 211 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 2: Morning Glory for the moment. 212 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 5: At least, the Oasis reunion is limited to a handful 213 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 5: of shows, and the Wembley Stadium is large. 214 00:12:51,920 --> 00:12:53,679 Speaker 2: It's not infinitely so, and. 215 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 5: There's no guarantee the brothers will remain on speaking terms 216 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 5: beyond next summer. Fans understand that this may be their 217 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 5: last chance to see the battling Gallagher lads together on stage. 218 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 2: Supply is limited now. 219 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 5: Introductory economics tell us that when supply is tight and 220 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 5: demand is high, prices rise to an equilibrium, which is 221 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 5: exactly what happened. Then he talks about dynamic pricing and 222 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 5: how the tickets are significantly more expensive than they seem 223 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 5: to be when initially announced. Some accuse the greedy brothers 224 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,719 Speaker 5: of ripping off their loyal fans. Many more aim their 225 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:28,079 Speaker 5: Furia ticket Master, the American Ticket Sales BMTH, owned by 226 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 5: Live Nation Entertainment. 227 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 2: The fur revealed. 228 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 4: Terrible Probably not going to hang argue me out of 229 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: my anger atic ticket Master in general, but go on. 230 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 5: The fees, the fees that creep up onto your bill 231 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 5: at the end. Yes, that's a different topic and an 232 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 5: interesting you're electronic sending me of the ticket cost forty 233 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 5: dollars what? Yeah, anyway, putting that aside, because this is 234 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 5: just a question of the price of the tickets. The 235 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 5: Furer revealed a terrible ignorance, even among the highly educated, 236 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 5: of what prices are and how they work. I would 237 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 5: argue to the journalists that know, these are people posing 238 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 5: as being outraged, they're not actually outraged. Like the very 239 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 5: Prime Minister of Britain, kir Starmer, told the House Commons 240 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 5: that he found it depressing to hear of the oasis 241 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,439 Speaker 5: price hikes, He promised a commission to investigate what he 242 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 5: called extortionate price resealers whatever. Culture Secretary Lisa Nandy told 243 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 5: the Bebe that quote, vastly inflated prices would exclude ordinary fans. 244 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 4: They have a culture secretary, Yeah, why do you need 245 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 4: that secretary of culture? And there should be some sort 246 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: of government intervention in that some things are more expensive 247 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 4: than others. 248 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 5: What, yeah, bollocks in economic terms a concert ticket And 249 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 5: this is the really important part. This is the econ 250 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 5: one to one stuff that if you don't understand it, 251 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 5: you don't get anything about economic A concert ticket is 252 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 5: no different from a book, a bottle of wine, or 253 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 5: a house. It has no inherent value, only the price 254 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 5: a buyer is willing to pay and a seller is 255 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 5: willing to accept. The market clearing price of anything is 256 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 5: where demand meet supply. The correct and fair price is 257 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 5: whatever the market will bear. No buyer has a right 258 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 5: to a low price, just as no seller has a 259 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 5: right to a high price. Then they point out the 260 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 5: obvious oasis could be nice guys and sellar tickets for 261 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 5: five bucks, but scalpers would snatch them all up and 262 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 5: resell them for much much more. What good would it 263 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 5: do for Oasis, for the ordinary fan or anybody to 264 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 5: allow third party resellers to capture all that value. 265 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 4: Well, that's what Yeah, that's what people don't understand about sports, 266 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: guitar players, whatever, actors and actresses. Somebody's going to get 267 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 4: that money because there's a demand for it. So if 268 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: it's not George Cooney or Shoheyo Tani or the Gallagher brothers, 269 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: then the company that puts on the show or the game, 270 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 4: or the network or whatever, they get the money. 271 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: But somebody is getting the money. It's just the way 272 00:15:58,040 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 2: it works, right. 273 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 5: A couple more quick tidbits, and music industry guru explained 274 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 5: that the acts hide behind Ticketmaster. 275 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 2: They want them to take the flack all this stuff. 276 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: That's pretty good, that's probably true. 277 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not good for your image, but Ticketmaster takes 278 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 5: all the flack. And he also writes, here's the dirty 279 00:16:18,480 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 5: little secret. Ticketmaster does nothing that the band does not 280 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 5: agree to. So anyway, I thought that was a good 281 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 5: little instructional on if there's demand and little supply, the 282 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 5: prices are going to go up, and it should, and 283 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 5: you know, what's going to happen. The Gallery boys are 284 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 5: going to put down their fists and open up their 285 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 5: calendars and say, you know, I'm a lot to play 286 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 5: half a dozen more shows, are you? 287 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 4: And supply will increase in the prices will I was 288 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 4: drunk in the back seat of an suv. 289 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: That could go. 290 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 4: I have one thousand, five hundred stories that start that way, 291 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 4: but in this particular one, the enter my seat. I 292 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 4: was drunk in the back of the suv on the 293 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 4: way to an Oasis concert Charlotte, North Carolina in nineteen 294 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 4: ninety five when we heard on the radio that they'd 295 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 4: cancel the concert because the two brothers had gotten a 296 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 4: fistfight backstage. So I still have not seen them. 297 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 5: Wow Wow, Yeah, that legend not overblown. No, that reminds 298 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 5: me when they were like in their sixties, the Davis brothers. 299 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 5: It looks like Davies, but it's pronounced Davis of the Kinks. Actually, 300 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 5: we're continuing to come to blows and scream at each 301 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 5: other backstage in their sixties trying to tour. Wow, get 302 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 5: some counseling from us or something. 303 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 2: Let it go. 304 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty show, Yeah, or Jack orgeo podcasts 305 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: and our hot links. 306 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty The Armstrong and Getty Show. 307 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 6: As you all know, Chicago's at killing fields right now, 308 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 6: and they don't acknowledge it, and they say we don't 309 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:55,960 Speaker 6: need them. 310 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:56,719 Speaker 2: Freedom. Freedom. 311 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 6: He's a dictator. He's a dictator. A lot of people 312 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 6: are saying, maybe we like a dictator. I don't like 313 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 6: a dictator. I'm not a dictator. I'm a man with 314 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 6: great common sense and I'm a smart person. And when 315 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 6: I see what's happening to our cities and then you 316 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 6: send in troops instead of being praised, this same you're 317 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 6: trying to take over the republic. 318 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: These people are sick. 319 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 4: The other thing, the old man in the sea, the 320 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,640 Speaker 4: old man on my boat when we took our break 321 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 4: from sailing, he's telling me all the things he doesn't 322 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,239 Speaker 4: like about Trump. That's one of my favorite things as 323 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 4: far as the personality goes. This lay into me with 324 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 4: your political opinions. Anyway, that's Trump just a few moments 325 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,200 Speaker 4: ago saying a lot of people like a dictator, which, 326 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 4: of course we'll get headlines all day long, but that 327 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 4: was on the topic of sending National Guard troops into cities, 328 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,520 Speaker 4: among things we might talk about with Kevin Kylee who 329 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 4: joined us now on the Armstrong and Getty Show. He's 330 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: a California a congress person in our House of Representatives 331 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 4: representing the third district of California will actual be jerry 332 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 4: mandered out if Gavin Newsome gets his way. 333 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 2: How are you this morning, Kevin Kiley doing wow? 334 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,199 Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. 335 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 4: Hey, Before we get to the whole redistricting thing, which 336 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 4: would eliminate your position, what are your thoughts on sending 337 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 4: National Guard troops into various US cities for that are 338 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 4: against it? 339 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 5: Well? 340 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,399 Speaker 3: I think certainly in DC, we've seen the results, right, 341 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 3: We've got a significant improvement in public safety over the 342 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: last week, more than a week. And DC has had 343 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:31,880 Speaker 3: out of control crime for a long time, and it's 344 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 3: no one deserves to live in those conditions. But especially 345 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 3: embarrassing for our country when we have people coming from 346 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 3: around the world and they see our capital city has walllessness, 347 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 3: has rampant homelessness. As you know, you go to it's 348 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 3: like stock coming to our places in California, go to 349 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 3: CBS and they have the shampoo and conditioner right under 350 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 3: lock and key. So I think that there's a lot 351 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,359 Speaker 3: of people who are like, finally someone actually cares that 352 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,399 Speaker 3: our cities are unsafe for folks to live in, and 353 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 3: hopefully this will catalyze a renewed interest in public safety 354 00:19:58,000 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 3: across the country. 355 00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, of course, though, the big difference being there is 356 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 4: a constitutional way that the president can take over problems 357 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 4: in Washington, d c. That he does not have for 358 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 4: Chicago and some of the other cities he's thrown out. 359 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 3: Well, you know, interestingly enough, Gavin Newsom himself deployed the 360 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: National Guard to San Francisco. I think last year might 361 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 3: have been a year before saying the open air drug 362 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: markets are out of control. We need the Guard there 363 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,240 Speaker 3: in order to help our law enforcement. I'm Brandon Newsom. 364 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 3: Of course did it it a halfway token started way, 365 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 3: so it didn't really make an impact. But you would 366 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: hope that the president would have willing partners in mayors 367 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: and governors across the country to ask, Okay, where do 368 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 3: you need help, how can we cooperate to actually protect 369 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 3: your systems. 370 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 4: Well, everything Gavin Newsom does is we've talked about a lot. 371 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 4: You have to run through the filter of he's trying 372 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 4: to run for president. That's his main goal, So almost 373 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 4: everything he does is how is this going to look nationally? 374 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 4: Me trying to get the nomination and run for president, 375 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 4: as opposed to what's going to be good for any 376 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 4: various California town. So am I right that if Gavin 377 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 4: gets his on the whole jerrymandering California, it'll eliminate your seat. 378 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 3: That's certainly his goal, But it was also his goal 379 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 3: to defeat me last year under the current district client. 380 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 3: He had his own staff member who came and ran 381 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 3: against me, and I ended up winning by forty six 382 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 3: thousand votes. So even though he's tried as hard as 383 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 3: he possibly can to gerrymander my district, it looks like 384 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 3: an elephant. Ironically, the trunk sort of extends into the 385 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 3: Sacramento area to collect the sort of voters that he wants. 386 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 3: I still think one way or another, we will beat 387 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 3: him again, But ultimately we need to make sure that 388 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 3: the redistricting sham does not go through. It is one 389 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 3: of the worst things that could happen to democracy and 390 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: representative governments in our states, and it's an attempt, It 391 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,400 Speaker 3: is an explicit attempt to overturn the will of voters 392 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 3: below up our state constitution and deprive many people of 393 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: their representatives. 394 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 4: I was reading something I think it was in the 395 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 4: Washington Post over the weekend, this idea of making the 396 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 4: country look like a checkerboard where everything is equal sized square, 397 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 4: you know, just draw the lines and whoever lives in 398 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 4: it lives in it and make it that way. 399 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 2: Do you have any fixes for this? 400 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 4: Because jerry mandering has been going on since beginning of 401 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 4: the country, there doesn't seem to be any way to 402 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 4: stop it from happening. 403 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 2: Voters hate it. Do you have any ideas? Yeah. 404 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 3: In fact, there was an attempt in the early years 405 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,920 Speaker 3: of the Republic seventeen I think ninety seven around then 406 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 3: to jerry Mander James Madison out of his seek in Congress. 407 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 2: Wow. 408 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 3: Of course, the term comes from eighteen twelve when Elridge Jerry, 409 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 3: the governor of Massachusetts real district in the shape of 410 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 3: a salamander. So Jerry Mander. But you're right, it is 411 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 3: not a good thing for our country, whichever party does it. 412 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,479 Speaker 3: To be honest with you, it's bad for representative government. 413 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 3: It disempowers voters and empowers politicians. So I suppose is 414 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: number one. We shouldn't be redrawing lines in the middle 415 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: of the decade, like Gaven Newsom's trying to do. I've 416 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 3: introduced a bill to that effect in the House that 417 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 3: I'm trying to get passed as quickly as possible, and 418 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,239 Speaker 3: then ultimately come the time of the next census when 419 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 3: you're actually supposed to be doing redistricting. I want to 420 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 3: see a fix for to make elections fairer in our country. 421 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 3: So I think it consists of two things that we 422 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 3: could reach a deal on. Number one, let's get rid 423 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,919 Speaker 3: of jerrymandering once and for all in all fifty states. 424 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,919 Speaker 3: And number two, let's establish voter ID once and for 425 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: all in all fifty states. I think that if we 426 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 3: can do those two things, then we'll have a lot 427 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: their elections in this country, and our representative the government 428 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:19,920 Speaker 3: will work a lot better. 429 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,119 Speaker 4: So I forget what the numbers were heard the other day. 430 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 4: I think it was about Massachusetts, where they don't have 431 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 4: a single Republican in the House, but they get a 432 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 4: pretty decent percentage of the vote every single time around. 433 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: If Gavin gets his way. 434 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:40,919 Speaker 4: In California, Republicans in the last election made up about thirty. 435 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 2: Eight percent of the votes. 436 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 4: Dang near forty percent of the votes, but would have 437 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 4: seven percent of the representation in the House. 438 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 2: Obviously that's not good. 439 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 4: And I would say the same thing if it was 440 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 4: flipped Republican a Democrat. Is would the goal be to 441 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 4: have roughly the same representation in the House as the 442 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 4: way people vote? 443 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 2: Would that be like in a perfect world? 444 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's pretty good metric, right, Like, everyone 445 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: should have the chance to get a representative of their choice. 446 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: The parties should be represented about an equal measure of 447 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: the support they have in the population. This idea that 448 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 3: you know, you control fifty five percent of the state 449 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 3: at the state level, therefore you should get one hundred 450 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: percent of the representatives in Congress. It just makes no sense. 451 00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 3: And like you said, I think the typical person, whether 452 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: they're Democrat or Republican, independent, Green Party, what have you, 453 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: they looked at a map that says, okay, we're going 454 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 3: to be you know, four Republicans and forty eight Democrats. 455 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 3: I think most people would say that's just a little 456 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 3: too out of balance. That's really not the way things 457 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 3: are supposed to work. 458 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, what this disturbs me. 459 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 4: I feel like on a whole bunch of different issues, 460 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 4: we've got a bit of a race to the bottom 461 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 4: going on. I mean, what Texas is doing is to 462 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 4: try to compensate one for a census that wasn't a 463 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 4: very representative of reality. But the fact that you know Illinois, 464 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 4: and of course it's hilarious that Texas Democrats ran into Illinois, 465 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,000 Speaker 4: one of the most gerrymandered states in the entire country. 466 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 4: But Illinois had done a long time ago. California did 467 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 4: it back in the day. There's not a single Republican 468 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 4: north of New York in the entire house. But each 469 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 4: you know, every everybody's always reacting to what the other 470 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 4: party did and saying, well, we've got to fight. 471 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 2: We've got to fight fire with fire. 472 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,960 Speaker 4: They play hardball, we'k and how do we avoid this 473 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 4: race to the bottom? 474 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 3: Great question. This whole fight fire with fire thing is 475 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 3: just a ridiculous slogan. I mean, it's it's a rhetoric, 476 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 3: and you know, it's easily rhetorically defeated to the slogan, 477 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,199 Speaker 3: as we we fight fire with fire, the whole world burns. 478 00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 2: Right, that's a good one because. 479 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:34,040 Speaker 3: Some other state is doing something that we don't like. 480 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 3: That means California voters should pay the price. Our people 481 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: should be punished for it, Our voters should be deprived 482 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 3: of the right to fair representation, should have their actual 483 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 3: votes from the past overturn. It just makes no sense. 484 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 3: But I do think, you know, like you said, like 485 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,679 Speaker 3: you know, some people will point to Texas other as 486 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 3: a point to Illinois, and so you know, there's a 487 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 3: lot of debate of who really started as the truth is, 488 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: it goes back a long long time to the beginning 489 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 3: of the republic, like we were talking about. But that's 490 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 3: why I think we need to have some sort of 491 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 3: national solution to this. And that's the point of my 492 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 3: bill is saying, well, enough is enough. Why don't we 493 00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 3: get back to the issues that actually matter to people? 494 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 3: And by the way, I happen to think that if 495 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,480 Speaker 3: we have fair elections, then our party, Republicans will do well. 496 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,199 Speaker 3: In fact, we just did win the election at the 497 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 3: House in twenty twenty four with the mass as they 498 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 3: are now. And look at the issues right now. I mean, 499 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: we have an absolute stand still at the border. We've 500 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 3: delivered major tax release to the American people, We've gotten 501 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:28,000 Speaker 3: rid a lot of this woke insanity. And the Democrats meanwhile, 502 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 3: have never been more unpopular and have been braced to 503 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 3: socialism in New York City. So let's focus on the issues, 504 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,199 Speaker 3: let's move past these redistricting games, and let's certainly do 505 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,439 Speaker 3: everything we can to make sure that Gavin Newsom does 506 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 3: not succeed in blowing up our constitution and attacking democracy 507 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: in our state. 508 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 4: Speaking of Gavin, and I mentioned that he is obviously 509 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 4: presidential ambitions, the national punditry that doesn't live in California 510 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 4: seems to be pretty high on Gavin and his abilities 511 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 4: and his chances of being the next present. I feel 512 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 4: like those of us who have watched him more closely, 513 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 4: like all the way from back when he was mayor 514 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 4: of San Francisco went through, I think they're misreading his talent. 515 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 4: So well, where are you on that? 516 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent. I think that under the 517 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: microscope of a presidential campaign, this will his image will 518 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 3: quickly fall apart once people start asking questions like why 519 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 3: is it that California has the highest homelessness. 520 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: In this half the whole less in the entire country 521 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 2: live in this state. 522 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,000 Speaker 3: Exactly half the end of shutter Frome was in the 523 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 3: entire country. Why do we have the highest unemployment fifty 524 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: of first out of fifty states. Why is it that 525 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 3: we have the highest poverty rates in this country, first 526 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 3: out of fifty in California? And you know, as you know, 527 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 3: we could go on and on on and on right, 528 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 3: So those questions are ones that he simply will not 529 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 3: be able to answer. I don't think that, you know, 530 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: progressives or conservatives want to live in a world that 531 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 3: has the sort of outcomes that Gavin Newsom's politics do. 532 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 3: So I think that you know, under this scrutiny, which 533 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,600 Speaker 3: she's really never had to deal with an election process 534 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,040 Speaker 3: of a national campaign, that truth will will be unmistakable. 535 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 2: Do you know how much you can bench press? 536 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 4: That communist mayor candidate in New York tried to bench 537 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 4: press hundred and thirty five over the weekend at a 538 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 4: gym and he couldn't. And I don't know why he 539 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 4: laid I don't know why he laid down on the 540 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 4: bench to do that, and I don't care. I don't 541 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 4: think we should judge our politicians based on how much 542 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 4: led they can move around. I don't think James Madison 543 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 4: to probably bench press very much, But I just thought 544 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 4: it was funny that he went to. 545 00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 3: The gym back in the game here, so you know, 546 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 3: he h, what's that the Schwarzenegger is going to be 547 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: back and. 548 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 2: If we judge everything on that. 549 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 4: Hey, thanks for coming on today, and we'll be following 550 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 4: this redistricting, you know, vote and see how the voters 551 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 4: feel about it. Obviously, if that would eliminate you, that 552 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 4: would be a bad thing for US Congressman Kevin Kylie 553 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 4: the third district. 554 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 2: Thanks for your time you thanks for. 555 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: Having me Jack Armstrong and Joe Armstrong. 556 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: And Getty show the Armstrong and getting shot. 557 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 5: There are all sorts of stuff, all sorts of things 558 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 5: we could talk about, but just at least briefly, a 559 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 5: little feature ed I'd like to call ai oh no, 560 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 5: what'd you say? 561 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 2: This is called? It's called ai oh no Wow. I 562 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:28,520 Speaker 2: like that. 563 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 4: It's got It tells you what the topic is and 564 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 4: then denotes a sense of urgency, right and foreboding. 565 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, that's what I was going for. 566 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 5: So first of all, and I wasn't even going to 567 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 5: include this, but it's kind of stuck in the back 568 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 5: of my mind. Is a think piece I think it 569 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 5: was in the Free press talking about the appeal of socialism. 570 00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 5: These days, and how you know, we've turned out a 571 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 5: couple of generations of youngsters who are absolutely you know, indoctrinated, 572 00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 5: brainwashed into thinking, you know, the Western it's bad and 573 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 5: capitalism is bad, and collectivism and blah blah blah, we 574 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 5: all know all the whole woke thing, the whole critical 575 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,479 Speaker 5: theory thing. And then they point out you combine that 576 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 5: with a future in which the very first jobs and 577 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 5: job prospects that are going to disappear because of AI 578 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 5: are whitish, color isshes sort of needed a college degree 579 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 5: but not really cubicle. I'm too uppercross to work with 580 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 5: my hands. I work in an office type jobs. Those 581 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 5: are going to be disappearing in droves. Wow, among a 582 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 5: collective of people that's already pretty enthusiastic about socialism, and 583 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 5: how about how capitalism is stacked against the people and 584 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 5: it only serves the few and blah blah blah and 585 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 5: uh and they, you know, they said to the obvious 586 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 5: Mamdanni and other people. But it's gonna get harder and harder. 587 00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 5: I think to stand on the beach and turn back 588 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 5: that tide. Yeah, I don't think I's a chance anyway. 589 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 5: The fabulous Peggy Noonan is writing about that and other things, 590 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 5: and she quotes a piece by the writer John Ellis, 591 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 5: who's been on the AI story for years, and she 592 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 5: says brings an interesting combination of common sense and imagination 593 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 5: to the available information on his sub stack. He argued 594 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 5: that quote the overwhelming force of AI is bearing down 595 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 5: on the job market. 596 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 2: People, he says, can see it coming. 597 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 5: And yet quote, I drive up and down Old Post 598 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 5: Road in Fairfield County almost every day. 599 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 2: I happen to know that road very well. 600 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 5: What I do I pass office buildings and storefronts that 601 00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 5: are the workplaces of insurance brokers, local and regional bankers, 602 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 5: mortgage brokers, lawyers, accountants, consultants, marketers, real estate agents, et cetera. 603 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,680 Speaker 5: And what I think about all those people as I 604 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,239 Speaker 5: pass them by, is this, the companies they work for 605 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 5: will employ ten to twenty five percent fewer of them 606 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 5: in probably. 607 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 4: Two years, maybe three twenty five percent fewer in a 608 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 4: couple of years. 609 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 2: That's major. 610 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 5: And what those people do for a living will be 611 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 5: done by AI, interestingly enough, and it's worth mentioning the 612 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 5: other side of the coin. This same writer offers Microsoft's 613 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 5: Microsoft's lists of twenty professions AI likely won't touch include 614 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 5: flora sanders and finishers, roofers, motor boat operators, rodeo colin 615 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 5: operating motorpartment, rodeo clowns. No, no, absolutely safe from AI, 616 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 5: massage therapists, and pile driver operators. Ah how to operate 617 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,120 Speaker 5: a motor boat or operate a pile driver. I just 618 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 5: don't know that's what I should have gotten into. Anyway, 619 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 5: I thought that was interesting. Then you have this story. 620 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 5: AI is forcing the return of the in person job interview. 621 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 5: Virtual interviews have become the new Norman hiring in recent years, 622 00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 5: driven by the rise of remote work. 623 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 2: Companies desire to speed up hiring. 624 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 5: The problem is more candidates are using AI tools to 625 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 5: cheat by feeding the mansers screen. Why wouldn't they got 626 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 5: your screen going? Then one right over there, right by 627 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 5: the camera, so it looks like they're looking at you, 628 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 5: but they're looking at the answers to the questions. And 629 00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 5: if you're interviewing people for like coding jobs or technical 630 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 5: jobs especially, they can substitute, you know, the AI thing 631 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 5: for any level of knowledge that they have. Of course, 632 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 5: I suppose you could argue, we'll just have them bring 633 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 5: that to work. Then and they'll get the job done right. 634 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 5: But they mentioned Cisco, McKinsey, Google are doing in person 635 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 5: interviews now, partly for the reason I gave it, and 636 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,920 Speaker 5: partly because now you've got the. 637 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 2: What do you call it? 638 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:44,800 Speaker 5: I can't remember the specific technology, but the technology that 639 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 5: like North Korean scammers are using to impersonate other people. 640 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 5: They change their face, they change their voice in real time, 641 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 5: They interview remotely, and then they they're not at all 642 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 5: deep fake videos and audios. That's what I was looking for, 643 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 5: and they're swindlers and they end up getting the jobs. 644 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 5: And so the in person interview, what do you do 645 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 5: you get the job? What do you do once you 646 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 5: get the job if you're not qualified? Or are you qualifying? 647 00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 5: Companies want to avoid sending cash to North Koreans who 648 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 5: are working illegally because they don't want to be party 649 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 5: to it. In a survey of three thousand job seekers 650 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 5: by research advisory group Gartner this year, six percent said 651 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 5: they had participated in interview fraud, either posing as somebody 652 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 5: else or having someone stand in for them. 653 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 2: Wow and Gardner. 654 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 5: Predicted that by twenty twenty eight, one in four job 655 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 5: candidate profiles worldwide will be fake one in four. 656 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 2: It's just too tempting. 657 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,799 Speaker 5: It's like the kids using AI to help them write 658 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 5: their high school report. 659 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 4: It's just right there. And as soon as you're hear 660 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 4: about it, you think I got to do this? Yes, sir, 661 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 4: can I throw in my one AI O story? 662 00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,600 Speaker 2: AI? Oh? No, well that's right. 663 00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 3: What it is? 664 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 4: I don't know? 665 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 666 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,160 Speaker 4: Woman gets engaged to AI fiance after five months. Oh, 667 00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 4: you really should get to know your AI fiance better. 668 00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 4: Five months is pretty quick, but you know, if you're 669 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:12,799 Speaker 4: in love, you're in love. 670 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 5: I was gonna go with I feel like I'm going 671 00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 5: crazy chat GPT fuels delusional spirals, but your sounds more fun. 672 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 2: Proceed. 673 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 4: Woman gets engaged to AI fiance after five months and 674 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 4: insists she's fully aware of what she's doing. What I 675 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 4: couldn't tell from reading the interview. And the only reason 676 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 4: I bring this to you is I couldn't tell if 677 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,920 Speaker 4: it was just somebody trying to get attention online or 678 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 4: just absolutely completely nutty. She fell in love with an 679 00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,959 Speaker 4: AI bot, and we've heard about this sort of thing 680 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 4: so well, I was sure what getting engaged means. Did 681 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 4: the freaking A I bought? Uh proposed to her might 682 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 4: have Wow, Wow, what an intriguing question. I was just 683 00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,880 Speaker 4: gonna say this person is either an attention horror or 684 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 4: we're a crazy person. 685 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,279 Speaker 2: The Armstrong and Getty Show. 686 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, more Jack, more Joe podcasts, and our hot links 687 00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,359 Speaker 1: at armstrong dot com