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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Dave

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Speaker 1: Pash Podcast. I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals play

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Speaker 1: by play announcer Dave Pash. Our guest this week is

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Speaker 1: first year Arizona Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannett. Some great

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Speaker 1: summer listening for Cardinal fans to get you ready but

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three season. We'll talk with Jag about

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Speaker 1: some of his coaching philosophies, some of the people that

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Speaker 1: have mentored him over the years, what to expect from

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals defense in twenty twenty three. We'll also get

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Speaker 1: players specific. We'll talk about Kyler Murray as well as

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Speaker 1: some of the young players like Isaiah Simmons and Zavian Collins.

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Speaker 2: I think they need to be impact players for us,

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Speaker 2: and that's how we retreating them. Both of those guys

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Speaker 2: are extremely intelligent. So everyone sees a physical skill set,

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Speaker 2: but they don't know what they have in their brain.

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Speaker 2: And that's what excites me the most about those two

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk about the Cardinals first round draft pick

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Speaker 1: Paris Johnson, what to expect from some of the young

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Speaker 1: players this season, and we'll also get into his assistant

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Speaker 1: and what Cardinal Fann should look for in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 1: for our conversation with new Cardinals head coach Jonathan Gannon.

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Speaker 1: So you introduce yourself as Jonathan Gannon, but everybody calls

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Speaker 1: you JG. What do you prefer? Is it coach Gannon?

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Speaker 1: Is it John Jonathan?

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Speaker 3: It's definitely not John. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean some guys call me coach Gannon, but I

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Speaker 2: go by JG. It's easy and quick, and to me,

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Speaker 2: I'm one of the guys. So JG's a pretty good

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Speaker 2: title for me, I think.

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Speaker 1: And was that something that everybody called you when you

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Speaker 1: were playing and stuff?

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Speaker 2: It was Louisville, It was yeah, because I didn't honestly,

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Speaker 2: I don't like John, so Jonathan johnan three syllables kind

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Speaker 2: of longer, so it just turned into JG.

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Speaker 3: Get over here.

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Speaker 1: So, well, you got some energy man. I met you

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Speaker 1: briefly with Michael. I don't know it was two or

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Speaker 1: three months ago, but I could tell when you came

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Speaker 1: into the studio. I could hear you down the way

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Speaker 1: a little bit yelling out to Tim Delaney, our boss.

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Speaker 1: So you got some energy, man, which has been contagious

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Speaker 1: and infectious. I've heard a lot of guys talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to kind of get settled

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Speaker 1: into the valley?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my crews out here just got out here last week.

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Speaker 2: I Memorial Day weekend and waiting for the house to

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Speaker 2: get kind of done. But really enjoyed the city the times.

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Speaker 2: I haven't been out a lot, but I like to

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Speaker 2: go explore restaurants and I think that the city has

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Speaker 2: some good things to offer. And excited to be here really,

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Speaker 2: so it's good to get the crew here they start

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Speaker 2: school in Augus or whatever. They older too, but really, honestly,

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Speaker 2: really excited for a new city. You know, a lot

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Speaker 2: of people talk about coaching, Well, one of the negatives

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Speaker 2: is you move around. And my first year in the

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Speaker 2: NFL is two thousand and seven. I've been on seven

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Speaker 2: NFL teams. I always kind of thought it was a positive.

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Speaker 2: I liked living in new cities. And then when people

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Speaker 2: call you, hey, we're going for a you know, a

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Speaker 3: Oh, I lived there for two years. Where are you

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Speaker 3: guys going? You know what I mean? Make sure you

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Speaker 1: Do you have a spot picked out yet? Like a

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Speaker 2: I've been to some good places though, up kind of

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Speaker 1: You're all the expensive places.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to Ocean forty four in a week or two.

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Speaker 2: So the Henry, I like the Henry a lot. Henry's

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Speaker 2: cool for breakfast. I haven't been there for dinner, but

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Speaker 1: Are people starting to recognize you or can you pretty

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Speaker 1: much go in and nobody says anything to you.

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Speaker 2: It depends where you go, but you do get the

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Speaker 2: recognization of oh, hey, you're the new coach.

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Good luck? Go cards.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's cool.

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Speaker 2: I kind of like to stay under the radar anyhow,

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Speaker 2: but hopefully we start winning, get this thing rolling.

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Speaker 3: You can't go anywhere.

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Speaker 1: So obviously I want to talk a lot about you

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Speaker 1: as a coach and philosophy and some of the things

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Speaker 1: you've done in your career, But I want to go

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Speaker 1: back to growing up. You grew up in Cleveland, right, football, basketball, track?

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Speaker 1: Three sport guy?

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Speaker 1: Who are your teams growing up? Browns, Calves?

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Speaker 3: You know whoever? I was a front runner? Whoever was winning?

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Speaker 2: Honestly, really, I was a huge Charles Woodson fan right

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 2: I concentrated more on the players than the teams, I think.

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Speaker 1: And you played football at Louisville, I know, until you

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Speaker 1: had a career ending injury. But did you look at

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Speaker 2: I could have Yeah, yeah, I could have played. So

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Speaker 2: my sophomore year, the head basketball coach of my high

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Speaker 2: school and the head football coach hit me down and

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Speaker 2: they say, you know, JG. You can go to a

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Speaker 2: My sophomore year and I lost my jump shot, but

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Speaker 2: I kind of I knew probably football was my you know,

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Speaker 2: I had a couple different to play, pretty good offers

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Speaker 1: Bobby Patrino was the head coach, right John L.

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Speaker 2: So I played for John L. Smith, got red shirted,

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Speaker 2: played my reshirt freshman year. That's when I got hurt

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Speaker 2: my tenth game there. But we were good that year

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Speaker 2: for John Allen. He took a Michigan State head coaching job.

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Speaker 2: Bobby Patrino comes. He was the offensive corner at the

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Speaker 2: I never really played for Bobby. I sat out that

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of when I started student assistant coaching,

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Speaker 2: and Bobby sent me down. He's like, have you ever

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Speaker 2: thought about coaching? And I was like, well, yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I wanted to play ten years in the NFL and

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Speaker 2: then coach at my high school in Cleveland. He says, well,

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Speaker 2: you're not going to do that. So I said thank you,

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Speaker 2: and so he really gave me my first job, my

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Speaker 2: kind of submerged in and Bobby was a I mean

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Speaker 2: a very detailed, disciplined guy, and I mean a mastermind

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Speaker 2: it was cool. It was a cool transition for me.

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Speaker 2: I was down about not being able to play, but

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Speaker 2: So then I started student assistant when I graduated, made

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Speaker 2: me the defensive GA. My first year of the defensive GA,

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Speaker 2: I was in the NFL at twenty four and that's

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Speaker 2: how I got my start.

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Speaker 1: I remember my first college football game for ESPN. I

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Speaker 1: was actually on Harry Douglas's radio show last week and

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Speaker 1: we were talking a little bit about covering him, but

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Speaker 1: talking about covering him, and then mentioned to him. I

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Speaker 1: remember two thousand and four, it was a Sunday night

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Speaker 1: I don't remember that you were there then I was there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as a gay.

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Speaker 1: Coach, Petrino I always felt and I know if there's

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Speaker 1: you know, other things that have happened off the field

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Speaker 1: that you know, he's already spoken of and had answer

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Speaker 1: for it. But in terms of, like as a football mind,

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Speaker 1: he's incredibly respected. What was like your biggest takeaway from

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Speaker 1: being around him and from a football perspective in terms

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Speaker 1: of how maybe he shaped you as a coach?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, really good question, Dave.

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Speaker 2: He I mean, the details of a play and it

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Speaker 2: was like it was the first you know, because you're

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Speaker 2: as a player you really don't you know, but you

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Speaker 2: don't know. And I remember sitting in a staff meeting

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Speaker 2: and him talking about outside zone out of twelve personnelic trips,

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Speaker 2: I don't have a clue what football is, and just

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Speaker 2: the different ways to attack defenses and leverages and number

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Speaker 2: who you know, it's just exploded my brain. But he

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Speaker 2: obviously has been a head coach at a lot of

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Speaker 2: different places for a long time and has always had success.

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Speaker 2: Good teams, always, good offenses. And we used to laugh

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Speaker 2: with Bobby at Louisville. The offense was always better than

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Speaker 2: the defense, I said, because he stole all the good

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean, Harry Douglas.

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Speaker 2: You know he should have been playing corner, but he

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Speaker 2: goes and has a career being a receiver in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: But it was really that kind of shaped my mind

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Speaker 2: of just how detailed you have to be if you

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Speaker 2: want to be a good coach. And I'm still working

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Speaker 2: on that part of my game to this day, you

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Speaker 2: know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: But that was like it was like.

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Speaker 2: A master class of footwork and leverage and hand placement,

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Speaker 2: and it was like, Wow, there's a lot of stuff

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Speaker 2: don't know. You know, how would they know?

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 2: with what you can do with them so and with

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00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:30,480
Speaker 2: how they fit into the whole defense. So I'm very

440
00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,640
Speaker 2: eager to get those two you know, going going, we're

441
00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,040
Speaker 2: doing that right now, but you know, we're still kind

442
00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,960
Speaker 2: of figuring that out a little bit with both of them.

443
00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,120
Speaker 2: But even today we practiced and both of them made

444
00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,480
Speaker 2: some big time strides where it's like all right, hey, man,

445
00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,560
Speaker 2: like just work on this one thing and let's get

446
00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,920
Speaker 2: this down before we kind of you know, two twenty

447
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 2: one A before we go to three thirty one A,

448
00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:56,359
Speaker 2: you know. And I thought they both took a jump today.

449
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,480
Speaker 2: So that's good when you see that as a coach,

450
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 2: because all right, gave him something to work on. Hey,

451
00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,840
Speaker 2: I need to see this a little bit better before

452
00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,240
Speaker 2: we do something else. And I saw it today where

453
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,680
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, there it is, and you can teach

454
00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,040
Speaker 2: all right, here's what we're looking for. And then you

455
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 2: can move on to the next thing to make sure

456
00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 2: they master that, and then you move on to the

457
00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,640
Speaker 2: next thing. And so but you know, those are only

458
00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 2: two guys that you have to fit everybody, all eleven

459
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 2: pieces in together to make the defense good.

460
00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 3: It's not about one or two guys.

461
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:26,840
Speaker 1: And obviously you've got a lot of time to figure

462
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:28,879
Speaker 1: that out. You get a whole training camp. Who are

463
00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:30,879
Speaker 1: some of the young guys early on here that have

464
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 1: stood out to you that you really like and what

465
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: you see in terms of and it could just be

466
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,679
Speaker 1: guys that maybe are able to pick things up quickly

467
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,360
Speaker 1: that maybe weren't high draft picks, or guys that were

468
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:44,400
Speaker 1: higher picks, or guys that have been around that weren't

469
00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:46,000
Speaker 1: productive that you're like, you know, I think this guy's

470
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,960
Speaker 1: got a chance maybe with some of the things we'll

471
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: do with himm.

472
00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't single anybody out, honestly, Dave, like,

473
00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,760
Speaker 2: we're kind of still figuring that out. I do like

474
00:20:55,400 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 2: the rookie class where they're at from a standpoint of

475
00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 2: learning what we're trying to get done, how they handle

476
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:05,399
Speaker 2: their business on a daily basis, the weight room, the

477
00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 2: meeting rooms, the training room, on the practice field, working

478
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,159
Speaker 2: on their body compositions, you know, all those things. I

479
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: think that I'm very pleased with those guys of how

480
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,399
Speaker 2: they're going about their business. And so I'm not going

481
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 2: to single one out, but I a lot of them

482
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 2: have impressed me so far.

483
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 1: One guy, do want to get your thoughts on it?

484
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:25,400
Speaker 3: Again?

485
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,200
Speaker 1: I realize it's June second that we're recording this and

486
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,680
Speaker 1: there's still a lot to be you know, a lot

487
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: of time before even camp starts. But my Jay Sanders,

488
00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 1: somebody that we saw flash here towards the end of

489
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 1: last year when he got more reps. What do you

490
00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: think so far?

491
00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:39,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a unique skill set, you know what

492
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 2: I mean. I mean he can bend, he's explosive, He's

493
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 2: got really good feel and coverage, you know, when we

494
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:50,000
Speaker 2: drop him into coverage, and I think he can be

495
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: one of our better rushers when it's all said and done.

496
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 3: So he's just like everybody.

497
00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:56,120
Speaker 2: He's got a lot to work on part of his

498
00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 2: game too, but he's taken the coaching. He doesn't make

499
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: the same mistake twice, which I like because then you

500
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: can kind of keep moving on, you don't have to

501
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 2: keep correcting certain things.

502
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: But I got high hopes for him.

503
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,679
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about the coaching staff, in

504
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: particular the coordinators, obviously with with Drew Petsing and Nick Rawlis.

505
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 1: You're you're hiring two really young guys. What's your relationship

506
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 1: with those guys? When did it start with each guy

507
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: and what got you to the point where you thought, hey,

508
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 1: they can run an offense, they can run a defense.

509
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drew I met in twenty fourteen. He was on

510
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 2: zim staff and he was came with Norf Turner, so

511
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: his first style of playing offense was kind of NORV.

512
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 2: And then you know, NORV left and Pat Shermer took over,

513
00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,440
Speaker 2: and then Kevin Stefanski, I think the Philippo was in there.

514
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 2: Then Stefanski took over, and then Stefanski went to Cleveland

515
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: and brought him with him, and Drew, you know, went.

516
00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,080
Speaker 2: He didn't skip any steps. He was a quality control first,

517
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 2: and he's a receivers coach, and he's a tight ends coach,

518
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 2: and he's a quarterback coach. And I always thought Drew

519
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,040
Speaker 2: was about the right things as far as from a

520
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: team standpoint, character standpoint. And I was just telling somebody

521
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: the other day, I said, I don't have a very

522
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 2: large network, but by the network that I kind of

523
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: talk a lot of ball with, Like, I'm selective with

524
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: those guys that I talk with because I know one

525
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 2: they'll tell me the truth when I ask a question,

526
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 2: because a lot of coaches, well, I'm not going to

527
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: tell you that, you know what I mean. So it's like,

528
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: why am I wasting my coaches being yeah, it's it's.

529
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:23,920
Speaker 3: Unbelievable, But.

530
00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: Myself included, no, not at all. If you want to

531
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 2: you ask me anything, I'll tell you. But but yeah,

532
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 2: I just I liked his I always thought like he

533
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: was curious about the game, and hey, this is how

534
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 2: Norv did it.

535
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:37,880
Speaker 3: But then I like, this is what Shermer did.

536
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: And then Kevin kind of changed this, and then he

537
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 2: was with Kubiak for a little bit, and I just

538
00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: loved that he coached different positions on the offense and

539
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,639
Speaker 2: really I think at the end of the day, had

540
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,120
Speaker 2: the right answers with how we want to play as

541
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 2: a team and as an offense. And so that's why

542
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: uh drews the offense coordinator here. And then when I

543
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 2: left to go to Indy, they bumped the quality control

544
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 2: up to my spot, and then they hired Nick as

545
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,639
Speaker 2: a quality control and the guy that they bumped up

546
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: to my spot, who was a quality control in Minnesota

547
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 2: at the time, he's the linebacker coach with the Chargers

548
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 2: right now. He I always thought he was really, really

549
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 2: good and he went with Kevin two. He was a

550
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:23,480
Speaker 2: dB coach in Cleveland. I was with Brandon Stalely in LA.

551
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 2: But I remember him calling me and he was like, Dude,

552
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 2: this guy that we just hired as a freaking home run.

553
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 2: And I'm like, what do you mean, man, Like, you.

554
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 3: Know what I mean? Come on, He's not better than me.

555
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 2: He's not better than you, right, He's like, dude, I

556
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: think he's better than both of us and not even close.

557
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 2: And so I was like, well, let me meet this guy,

558
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And I remember I met

559
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 2: with him at the Combine when he was a quality control.

560
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: So this is probably after my first year in India,

561
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,640
Speaker 2: I think, And I remember I called Gina. I met

562
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 2: with him and for about an hour and a half,

563
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: two hours, and we talked football, and I called my

564
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 2: wife and I was like, man, if I get a

565
00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: coordinator job, I got to hire this guy like he was.

566
00:24:59,119 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 3: He was he was.

567
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: Light out, so that's what I did. So and he

568
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 2: was with Zim too, so he knew some of the

569
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: things that I like to do. And then he was

570
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: very curious about what we did in Indie, different style

571
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: of defense, how you guys do that, this and that.

572
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 2: And so then when I went to Philly, I hired

573
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,160
Speaker 2: him as a linebacker coach. He was there for two years,

574
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: and you know, just talking through him through the interview process.

575
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 2: Obviously he was with me for two years as a

576
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: position coach for me, so he kind of knows, you know,

577
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: how I kind of want to play, you know, how

578
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: I go about our business, how you know, what's important

579
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 2: to me for a defense, and he echoes those things.

580
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: But I really think what I'm very excited to see

581
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,119
Speaker 2: is is he's changed a lot already. You know, it

582
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: wasn't hey, this is the like when he went into

583
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: the defense of me. This is not the twenty twenty

584
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,719
Speaker 2: one Philadelphia Eagles playbook. Why Well, because you guys are

585
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: different than they are, you know what I mean? And

586
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 2: the games different are twenty twenty two Eagles, it's twenty

587
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: twenty three. Like, the game's different, and we have different plays.

588
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: So we're going to do things a little bit differently.

589
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: So I really like both of their command over the

590
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: entire unit, their command over the position coaches, meaning with

591
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 2: the position coaches, not over a meaning that you know,

592
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 2: they know all the details of each position. And I

593
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: think that they're not dogmatic.

594
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 3: To use your word, Dave.

595
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: Is they ask for input, you know what I mean.

596
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 2: They use everybody's brain in those rooms, and I think

597
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: that's extremely important to make sure it's not whose idea,

598
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: like this's just get the right idea and the right

599
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: way to do it for us.

600
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 3: You know. And I think it's it's been pretty cool

601
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 3: to watch both of those guys.

602
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: I got about a few more questions.

603
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:38,439
Speaker 3: We'll let you go.

604
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: I'm curious because most first year head coaches, when you

605
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: ask what the biggest challenge is, they'll say it's after

606
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,239
Speaker 1: they get through a year, They're like, man, it's all

607
00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: the other stuff. It's the media obligations, it's managing things

608
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: you never even thought about as an assistant or a coordinator.

609
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: What have you found to be most challenging so far?

610
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: Realizing again that we're in early June here and we're

611
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: not even near the season.

612
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I've had really good mentors. I feel

613
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: like they prepped me for a good job because, like,

614
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 2: you know, someone called me or someone text me and

615
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: he said.

616
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: Hey, how you holding up?

617
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 2: And you don't know that the tone in a text, right,

618
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 2: but the tone of how you holding up is, oh,

619
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: I'm sure you're struggling right now with it whatever is

620
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: going on of a first year head coach. And I said,

621
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: I literally text better, this is the best job I

622
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:27,920
Speaker 2: ever had. Like it's awesome, you know what I mean.

623
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 2: I I don't mind. I think what I would what

624
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: I would say is is a lot of balls in

625
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:32,880
Speaker 2: the air.

626
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: You know, I was a little late to this.

627
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: I apologize, but it's like, all right, I'm in with

628
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: the defense, I'm in with the offensive, in with special teams,

629
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: I'm doing the schedule. I'm talking about hotels with this guy,

630
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: I'm talking about logistics for camp for this Like but I.

631
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: Don't I don't really mind that. I kind of like that,

632
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

633
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 2: You just got to be you got to be focused

634
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: in detailed, and you got to take all the information

635
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: in and you got to make decisions. And then when

636
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 2: you make a decision, we just changed something for next week.

637
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: It says, you know what this, I'm not We're not

638
00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 2: getting out of what I wanted to get out of this.

639
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: We're not getting out of it. So that's that's put

640
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 3: our heads together and change this.

641
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: And I think as long as you can be focused

642
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: on the task at hand, with what you're doing, but

643
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 2: then also be able to juggle the different balls in

644
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,399
Speaker 2: the air, then you should be okay. But there's a

645
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: lot of things that come across my desk every day

646
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 2: that it's like, wow, like all right, well, let's let's

647
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 2: talk about that, you know what I mean. That's that's

648
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 2: we gotta we gotta make a decision on this, you

649
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So I would say that just

650
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: really your time management, and that's that's not too much

651
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 2: different than being a coordinator or position coach. Now you

652
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: do deal with more people in the building, you know

653
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: That's but I kind of like that.

654
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: We had many on last month. He detailed draft night

655
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: and the tense moments, and I'm curious your take on

656
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: it because I assume you've been in draft rooms before,

657
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 1: but not as the head coach, So what was that

658
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: like for you?

659
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: It was an awesome experience, I said, there's no doubt

660
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: I was more nervous than he was, and it was

661
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: it was really cool to kind of watch that process

662
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: and how it all came about, and just you know,

663
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: leading up for two or three months since we've been here,

664
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: talking about the draft and all the things that could

665
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: happen and what we're trying to get out of it

666
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 2: and this and that, and then you start doing the

667
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: mock drafts and where we're going to pick, and who's

668
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: going to be there, and who do we want, who

669
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 2: do we feel good about? All those those kinds of things.

670
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 2: It was like he gave me a hundred scenarios, and

671
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: the scenario that happened on draft night we really didn't

672
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: talk about.

673
00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 3: Now we had prep for it.

674
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: He had prep for it, but it was a little

675
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: bit different with who got picked in front of us

676
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: and this and that, and it was just really cool.

677
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 2: He was I always talked to the coaches about, especially

678
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:47,400
Speaker 2: on game day, emotional stability, Like you gotta be, you know,

679
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: pretty flatlined.

680
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 3: Football is an.

681
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: Emotional game, and yes, your emotions run hot, but like

682
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: if that turns, if your emotions turned into a negative,

683
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: then you got to be able to subdue him somehow.

684
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 2: And I thought that everything that was going on on

685
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 2: phone calls. I mean three four guys are on the phone.

686
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: He's on two different phones. You know, the clock's running down.

687
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 2: I'm like, god, this this feels worse to me than

688
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 2: a two minute drive, like when they're getting ready to score,

689
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,440
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. It was like, holy Colic money,

690
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: what are we going to do?

691
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: Man, there's a minute fifty the clock, you know what

692
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 3: I mean.

693
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 2: But it was really cool, and he obviously did a

694
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 2: great job and being the first time he's ever really

695
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: done that in that seat, I think he hit it

696
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 2: out of the park.

697
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 1: You end up with Paris Johnson. What are your thoughts

698
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: so far?

699
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a stud. He's everything that you

700
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 2: want in your you know, your first pick of your regime.

701
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: I think, you know, he's a team first guy. You know,

702
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: he's a versatile player, he's smart, he's got obviously a

703
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 2: big time skill set, and he's he's been really a

704
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 2: joy to be around, so I you know, he's got

705
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: he's going to be a really good player.

706
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: I keep hearing that Kyler Murray has been here early,

707
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: he's been here often. He's all in. What have you

708
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: been your takeaways in your conversations because obviously we you know,

709
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,120
Speaker 1: we can't we can't know for sure how Kyler is

710
00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: going to be until he comes back healthy. But just

711
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: based on conversations and work ethic and things you've seen

712
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 1: from him, what do you like?

713
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, as a you know, as

714
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: a head coach, you got to have a And I'm

715
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: not an offensive guy. I'm not going to call the

716
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: offensive plays. But you want a big time relationship with

717
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: the quarterback because quarterbacks the most person that's a coach

718
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: on the field, I think, And just to talk football

719
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: with him and you know, philosophy of this or what's

720
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: hard or what's good or hey, when we played you,

721
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: this is what I was trying to do. This is

722
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: what I was worried about. That's why you saw this

723
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: or saw that teams are going to try to counterbalance

724
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 2: your skill set by doing this. Some teams might play

725
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: you this way, some teams may play you this way.

726
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: And it's just been good to really, you know, connect

727
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: with him and develop a relationship on and off the

728
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: field or in the building and out of the building.

729
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: But I know this he Uh, I'm excited when he

730
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: gets back because I think he's he's he's got what

731
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: you're looking for the franchise player of your organization. And

732
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: I think ultimately you know, he's a he's got fire

733
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: in his gut, big don competitor, and he's he's gonna

734
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 2: will his team to win. So I'm excited that he's

735
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 2: on our squad.

736
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Without putting words in your mouth, I have to assume

737
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: when you were game planning for him, there are things

738
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: he does that other people can't do, so that means

739
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: longer hours for you and trying to figure out, Okay,

740
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: we've got to be really concerned about A, B and

741
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: C as opposed to maybe just A and B for

742
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 1: other quarterbacks.

743
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no doubt, and you better have those answers

744
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 2: before Monday before you play him, you know what I mean,

745
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 2: Because it's too hard to try to get that done

746
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 2: in five six days. So that's why you got a

747
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: research in the off season and study guys that you

748
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: know have similar skill sets to him. But yeah, he

749
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: presents big time challenges for a defense because of you know,

750
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 2: his mobility, you know, and obviously he's the arm talent

751
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: he has. He can make every throw and make the

752
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: right reads and deliver it on time. And put it

753
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: in tight windows. But then you know, you got to

754
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 2: rush him a certain way. You got to be careful

755
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 2: about certain pressures when you pressure them. And you know,

756
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 2: he's it's it's he's a he's a headache to prepare.

757
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: For last one. Even Bill Belichick takes the cape off meeting.

758
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: He's got a life outside of football when he's not

759
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: grinding like he does. We see Bill Belichick, you know,

760
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: having extracurricular activities. What are yours when you're not grinding away?

761
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: And maybe you know, maybe when before your family was here,

762
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: it was all football. I don't know if that's changed

763
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: now because the kids around, But what are some of

764
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: the things you do to unwind take your mind off

765
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: of football?

766
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,720
Speaker 2: You hit it, I mean the family, You know what

767
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 2: I mean. I like to spend time with the family.

768
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: Date Night's always extremely cool for me. I'm grateful for

769
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: my wife. But you know, I think I do do

770
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: a pretty good job of when I go home, I

771
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 2: kind of leave it at home now that that part's changed.

772
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 2: Being a head coach, I will say, going back to

773
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 2: your question about being a head coach, like I used

774
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: to laugh, like when I was out of the building,

775
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 2: all my other jobs. That phone was put away and

776
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: I didn't have to respond to anybody for the most part.

777
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: Now that phone kind of rings about certain things and

778
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 2: like I got to take this, you know what I mean,

779
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 2: So that part changed a little bit. But I like

780
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 2: to play golf, I like to work out. But it's

781
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 2: funny about taking your mind off of it, because it'll

782
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 2: be whole three or four and be like, hey, what.

783
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 3: Are we doing in that one blitz? You know what

784
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: I mean?

785
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 2: You know, is that the right thing? Or you know,

786
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: when you're working out, that's a good time, you know.

787
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 2: I feel like that's a good mental release or to

788
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: get your brain going a little bit. And it's like,

789
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: you know, you schedule forty five minutes for a workout

790
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 2: and it's like it gets thirty in and you're like, man,

791
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: I need to go, like watch the tape right now

792
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 2: because I just had an idea or something like that.

793
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: So but I do think, like you do want to

794
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,720
Speaker 2: stay balanced, and I think that is part of If

795
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: people say I have pretty good energy, I think that's

796
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 2: part of it.

797
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

798
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 2: I've tried to get enough rest I work out, you

799
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I think that's part of physical

800
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: I just we had coach Peterson in here from you know,

801
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,879
Speaker 2: Boise in Washington. He came and watch practice today and

802
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,799
Speaker 2: it was really cool to hear, you know, obviously a

803
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: long time successful head coach. And he was like, if

804
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: I said, what you got for me, coach, like give it,

805
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: give me the answers, you know, and he had some

806
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 2: really cool things to talk about. But he was like,

807
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, the people that I don't want to say

808
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 2: aren't successful in the job, but they you know, the

809
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 2: pressure and there's all this stuff going on this and

810
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: then they're not really healthy humans.

811
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: And that kind of hit me. I was like, well,

812
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 3: what do you mean.

813
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 2: He's like, you better work out, you better sleep, you

814
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 2: better because that impacts your emotions, how you handle people.

815
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: That impacts your energy levels when you're with the players,

816
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 2: like and they see that, they see you walk into

817
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: a meeting dragon, But well, what do you think they're

818
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: gonna do?

819
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

820
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: So I do believe in in trying to stay fully functioning,

821
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 2: mental and physically healthy to do your job the best

822
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 2: you can do it. So but play a little golf

823
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: shop a little bit, go out to dinner and play

824
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: with the kids.

825
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: Lift weights. That's about it.

826
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,240
Speaker 1: So along those lines in closing, will you have a routine,

827
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: set up a schedule for in season of Okay, I

828
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: need to make sure I'm getting X amount of sleep,

829
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: I need to make sure I'm up at this time,

830
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: working out, making sure I'm setting aside, I'm compartmentalizing, setting

831
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: a side time just for the kids, just for my wife,

832
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: still doing date night. Do you have that all planned out?

833
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

834
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 2: But I think you got to go through because I

835
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: had that planned out as I was a coordinator for

836
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, and it changed after week three.

837
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I got to restructure how I'm

838
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: doing things. You know what I mean, I'm not getting

839
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: you know, whatever it was. So I think that'll be

840
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: a little bit of a learning process for myself. And

841
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: even when you develop your process and what you're convicted

842
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 2: on what works for you, I think that always kind

843
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: of can change a little bit, you know. I thought

844
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: like after kind of like the middle of the year

845
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: my first year as a coordinator, I kind of changed

846
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: how I was doing a couple of things early in

847
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: the week and that helped me. And then you know,

848
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: then I figured, like my second year as a coordinator.

849
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 2: I kind of changed early in the year about what

850
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:07,320
Speaker 2: I was doing, and I think that you can continually

851
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 2: get better a little bit at all your process, you know,

852
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: and it takes some time and an experience does help

853
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: you there where all right. I did this for four

854
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 2: weeks and I felt like this, I needed, you know,

855
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 2: adjust this, I need to put more time to this,

856
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: whatever it is. I think that's the main thing is

857
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: is stick with your process what works for you, but

858
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 2: don't be able. Don't be afraid to change it when

859
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: you know that you think you can tweak it to

860
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 2: get it a little bit better.

861
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: Well again, I think the thing that stands out coach,

862
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: just spend a time with you is your energy, your passion,

863
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: your love for your job. I think people appreciate that

864
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 1: when coaches love their job, but that they are relatable

865
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: and friendly, which you are both. It stands out. So

866
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed this and look forward to to know

867
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 1: you the course.

868
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: Of your coach. Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it,

869
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 3: appreciate it, all right.

870
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: So a snapshot there of Cardinal's new head coach, Jonathan

871
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: Gannon something to wet your appetite, as Carton fans before

872
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Speaker 1: we get into training camp and then of course the

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed our conversation with Arizona Cardinals head

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