WEBVTT - The Golf Man. Barry Grimes 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.640 The big bummer too. Of those fucker's ruined his logo 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:10.719 and it just fucking that's that's the hardest thing to that. 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:15.680 That just kills me, It really does. They changed the logo. 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:18.880 Oh my god, Maddie, we should do it before and 0:00:18.960 --> 0:00:25.239 after because they totally ruined me. Oh no, heartbreaking. They 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.400 changed the golf man put pants on him more than 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.000 one dude, more than once. It was like it was 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:34.480 like a chick that does bad botox and she keeps 0:00:34.479 --> 0:00:38.839 going and it's seriously, what I mean, don't put that 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:42.879 on anything, man, do not. You gotta watch what you 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.720 say with Maddie because he kind of can fucking coming 0:00:45.840 --> 0:00:59.080 submarine another log fi. Nobody here here is get time. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:05.000 M H. Welcome to the fire Pit with Matt Chanella. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:08.560 We're back at the fire Pit, which always feels good. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:12.240 We've been busy interviewing and editing season two, which will 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:16.320 start dropping lead February. Among other things, you'll be hearing 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:21.160 tributes to Charlie Sifford, Tony Gwynn, and longtime colleague and 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:26.400 friend Tim Rosafort. Haven't in reporting your story was like 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:33.000 having rock heell Welch is your waitress. It's like I 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:38.520 can't do any better than that. I mean, you just 0:01:38.680 --> 0:01:43.000 keep on coming back to the table, sweetheart. It asked me. 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.200 If I want to water refill eleven times between now 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.520 and in midnight, that would be just fine. Plus stories 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:55.640 from Nancy Lopez, Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer and Lanny Watkins 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.240 on Ben Hogan. Yes there's dear Landy and clothes with 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.840 my check for war dollars for your skins. Yesterday, with 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.120 all the confusion of our intruder, I simply forgot this. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:10.679 I can't imagine this fellow doing that. It was my 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.640 first experience of this kind. I really didn't know how 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.840 to handle the situation except to just quit. Hopefully we 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.120 can all have another game soon. All my good wishes 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.639 for you at the US open at Marian. I know 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.760 you can win it best, Ben. 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But for now, 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.520 with yet another mini pod, we're helping our friends at 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.480 links So celebrate and honor the life of Barry Grimes, who, 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.320 at the age of six, died of brain cancer last year. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.560 As you probably heard in season one of The fire 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.120 Pit in the episode which told the story about the 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.960 building of Ashworth, Barry Grimes was critical to the development 0:03:44.080 --> 0:03:47.200 and success of that brand, a brand I was in 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.880 love with as a kid. I never got to meet 0:03:49.920 --> 0:03:52.920 Barry grind but I've now heard a lot about him. 0:03:53.600 --> 0:03:57.360 He has survived by his wife Kristen, and his two sons, Paul, 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.920 who was a freshman at a s U and chart 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.200 a junior in high school. In this podcast, you'll hear 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.320 why Barry Grimes was so special, and at the end 0:04:07.360 --> 0:04:09.600 of the stories, you can hear about how you can 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.400 help the cause. We start with Jeff Cunningham, who, along 0:04:13.480 --> 0:04:16.400 with John Ashworth, is the co creator of Links Soul. 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:20.840 When I say Barry Grimes, Jeff, what do you say, oh, man, 0:04:21.240 --> 0:04:26.440 um genius? Probably first, Honestly, I've only met a couple 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:29.280 people in that that I put in that rank, and 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:31.839 I have them like and a little file in my head. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.159 Somebody that, no matter what they do, I just always 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.600 looked up to and right off the bat, I mean, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:41.000 Barry just had that. I wasn't all Berry. I was fourteen. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.560 I think when I met him probably um, right off 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:47.039 the bat. I've just never seen anybody like him. He's 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.600 just mesmerizing. If I don't meet Barry Grimes in L 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:59.400 A and seven, We're not having this conversation. John Ashworth 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.560 with more background on his buddy Berry. You know he 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:06.440 had you know, he had longer hair than I do now. 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:10.599 He had long hair beard. Uh. He was from Alabama. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:14.120 He only went to like maybe a year and a 0:05:14.160 --> 0:05:16.600 half of college, then dropped out and drove out to 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:19.039 l A because he was an artist and he wanted 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:20.640 to be in l A where the action was. And 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:25.160 he did not have one lick of an accent. He 0:05:25.320 --> 0:05:28.280 grew up in Alabama, you know, born and raised. You 0:05:28.320 --> 0:05:30.640 would have thought he was from l A. He could 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:35.159 play the guitar like crazy, you know. Uh, he could 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.560 draw and paint and he was funny. He was so 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.400 down to earth and just would talk to anybody and listened, 0:05:42.560 --> 0:05:47.080 and and doing film and that whole world pre computer 0:05:47.320 --> 0:05:50.480 set up graphic. He could do all that and did 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.480 that like our first ads were like film that you 0:05:54.520 --> 0:05:58.280 would do and then send off to the magazine. And 0:05:58.400 --> 0:06:02.080 Jeff with more on why Berry was so special. Creativity 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:06.080 relied so much on intuition, and it's so much intuition, 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.200 but you can also get into a technical role with 0:06:08.279 --> 0:06:12.000 it too. Barry had this balance between the technical and 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.600 the intuitive that you can really only find in like 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:19.520 Jedi Masters, Jimi Hendrix. Like it's that level of where 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.440 you've mastered the technical so well that it fuels your 0:06:23.440 --> 0:06:26.480 intuition and they work together in this harmony that you know, 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.960 become something else. It's like Ben Hogan is like it's 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:33.600 it's it's expertise, really, but it's it's it's to another level. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:35.360 So it's like, and you see it an art all 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.640 the time. You see people that are really intuitive but 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:40.600 they're technical, they just crap. Or you see people that 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:46.760 get really technical and they lose the field. And so photos, music, golf, swings, 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.279 everything gets really tight, you know, and we've all experienced 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:53.599 that before, and you you know, you lose that touch. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:07:01.039 Barry had that ability to no is technical stuff inside 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.440 out and backwards. Best I've ever seen a computer, best 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.760 I've ever seen with a camera, any machinery, anything, there 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.000 was new inside out and backwards. He took the time 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:11.880 to know exactly why every bit of that thing did 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:16.280 what it did, which people don't do anymore, and then 0:07:16.920 --> 0:07:19.880 kept his whole creativity the entire time too, which is 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:23.960 just like you just don't see that. I mean, you know, 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.680 and when you do, it's special, it's and it's and 0:07:26.760 --> 0:07:28.720 it changes the face of things. And that's what Barry did. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:31.040 I mean, he changed the face of all these things. 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:34.200 He's influencing people still and they might not even know 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:35.800 they're being influenced. But if you've noticed that all these 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.320 photographers right now in golf that are starting to look 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:40.320 a certain way of whatever whatever. A lot of that 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:45.720 stems from Barry. You know. Still, but back to seven 0:07:45.800 --> 0:07:49.280 for a second, when John Ashworth needed some help developing 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:53.240 his apparel idea. Here he is now on how he 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.200 met Barry and why it was such a great fit. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.840 His friend of mine is going, I need to get 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.760 a graphic artist. You know, this friend of mine that 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.400 was a golfer. Lane Morey is his name, you know. 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:05.960 He lived in l A And I go, Lane, I 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:07.760 need I need to find it. He goes, Hey, I 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:11.080 got this buddy of mine, Barry Grimes, who works at 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:16.680 NBC Studios and he likes golf and he went to Scotland. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:19.160 And I go, great, give me his number. So it 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:23.280 gives me his number. I called Barry and I'm explaining 0:08:23.320 --> 0:08:24.880 about go Barry. You know, I'm trying to do this 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.760 new clothing line, and I wanted to be sort of like, 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:33.680 you know, old school meets new school. I'm really into 0:08:33.800 --> 0:08:36.839 walking and you know, the traditions of the game, but 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.880 I wanted to be hip and modern. And you know, 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:41.800 I'm just telling all this stuff, like, you know, I 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.080 love Scotland. I've never been to Scotland. I've never been 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.240 to Scotland. I love Scotland, he goes, I've been to Scotland. 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.600 You know. It's like, you know, so we're just talking 0:08:48.640 --> 0:08:52.760 on the phone, and unbeknownst to me, he's actually, you know, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:56.360 as artists do, he's actually stoodling in sketching. He actually 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:02.000 drew the golf Man from that Converse station. The Ashworth brand, 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:05.920 and specifically the golf Man logo, had an immediate impact 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:10.960 on otherwise stagnant golf apparel industry. For more, we hear 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:15.280 now from Jim Nance, Fred Couples and then John Cook, 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:19.120 three of the original Ashworth Ambassadors. Let me just take 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:23.360 this opportunity to to add that Barry Grimes was someone 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:27.599 who really captured the look of Ashworth two. He just 0:09:28.520 --> 0:09:33.760 his artistic flare and his ability to even create the 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:36.760 golf Man logo. I mean, the golf Man logo was 0:09:36.880 --> 0:09:39.800 basically scratched on the back of a paper napkin, and 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:43.120 that logo became a universal symbol for people that cared 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:47.480 about the game of golf. The logo is incredible. Um 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:52.439 it's it's I mean, can you argue I can't think 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:54.560 of another There are a lot of great legs. Don't 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.920 get me wrong, but the Ashworth logo was something you know, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:01.559 Johnny oh Now with with his bordon and a guy 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.520 standing standing next to it is a phenomenal logo, but 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:07.520 I don't think it beats the Ashworth logo now golf Man. 0:10:07.720 --> 0:10:12.800 The golf Man was iconic. That symbolism went beyond guys 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:16.920 on TV wearing the product. It evolved into what Ashworth 0:10:17.000 --> 0:10:21.040 called the Ardage Book, an annual fashion magazine or style 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.520 book that showcased a year of memorable imagery of the 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:30.319 Ashworth Ambassadors, more from Nance, Couples and Cook on the 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:33.079 photo shoots. Well, John came up with the idea of 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:36.480 we ought to have the Yardage Book and we can 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.079 make it into almost like a magazine. We can distribute 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.560 at the green Grass, all the shops, and we can 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:45.439 tell stories in their right articles and in the body 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:49.199 of that of that magazine. We can also have some 0:10:49.240 --> 0:10:51.040 pretty cool photos and we can also put them on 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:55.760 our hand tags. The photo shoots. You know, there's a guy, 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:59.360 Barry Grimes, who's who's really really he's not doing that 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:01.920 well right now. And I told John the other day 0:11:02.480 --> 0:11:04.319 and I texted Barry and I said Barry. This is 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:07.040 nothing to do with you being ill. I said, you 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:10.679 were by far the most fun of anything I've ever 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:13.640 done in golf, and you made the shoot so easy. 0:11:13.720 --> 0:11:15.839 And I get a little edgy because you know, I 0:11:16.200 --> 0:11:19.319 don't like kind of taking pictures and doing all that. 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:21.719 And we did so many weird things, John and so 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:26.040 many fun things that uh, I think Ashworth knew you 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:28.200 know what John Cook and I liked, and we wrote 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.760 in cars and then of course later on Ernie Els 0:11:30.760 --> 0:11:34.679 hopped in and of course one and open wearing the clothing, 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.679 and this thing just took off and and now everyone 0:11:39.240 --> 0:11:42.280 has the same kind of clothing. It's it's it's been 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.880 a wild ride and started way back in eight seven. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:46.880 You never shot at me this stuff in digital, like 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:48.880 the idea I was thinking about Vegi, Like I go 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.280 out and I shoot a thousand shots for a photo shoot. 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.679 Barry took maybe five rolls of film and that the most, 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:57.920 and it's like thirty pictures at a time, and he 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.920 got all those shots. I mean, I used to be 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.360 so stressed out because you know, I mean, you take 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:05.560 this film, you know when you put it, there's those 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.280 big four by five cameras or wherever they were, and 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.800 you know, you had to have the setting right, you 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.160 had to have a meter write, it had to be 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:16.880 loaded right, you know, and then you'd have to take 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:19.280 it and do it and market and put in a 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.439 plastic bag, and you know it was like kind of stressful. 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:24.960 Really when you're on a photo shooting, you got two 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:26.800 hours and kind of figure out what to do. And 0:12:27.160 --> 0:12:32.120 the photo shoots were just an amazing experience because it 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.760 wouldn't be anything like you would think of a photo 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:37.240 shoot would be. Like remember the shot of Fred and 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.480 the water that was the second time, totally dude Barry 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.520 put it was we didn't have a water housing and 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.520 he was like, let's get I wanted because it was 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.679 rain gear or whatever. And he was like he got 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.439 Fred in the pool and because he didn't have a 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:53.240 waterhouse and he has biggest glass camera. You know, it's 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:57.559 like camera was an aquarium from my house. He put it, 0:12:57.600 --> 0:12:59.360 no I know, and you put it in the aquarium, 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.960 steal the the aquarium and put it in the aquarium 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:05.600 and went underwater with the aquarium and shot Fred through 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:11.240 an aquarium. Cool, unreable. Ash Worth really took care of 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:12.880 us and I can tell you right now. I did 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:17.240 a few photo shoots in some areas that, uh, they 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:20.800 got no clearance. You know, John Ashworth and Berry would 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.959 go find a spot. I'm sure you've seen it where 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.000 I'm hitting on the railroad tracks. I can tell you 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:28.880 two or three times we hopped off the railroad tracks 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.080 down underneath it. The train would go. Buy in Dallas 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:36.160 and it's probably you know, I I have the shot somewhere. 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:40.000 We went through Palm Springs with Cookie and I living there. 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.200 We were in areas that you know, like like, well, 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:45.240 if the cops come, we just pack up our stuff 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:47.839 and leave. And I'm like, so are we you know, 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:50.719 are we supposed to be here? We we don't know, 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:54.640 you know. So all of it was was really kind 0:13:54.679 --> 0:13:59.719 of fun and it was not nerve rat it was 0:13:59.840 --> 0:14:02.719 just it was just entertainment. It was never boring. And 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.120 trust me, as you get older, you know some sometimes 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.319 you don't want to do things. But John and I 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:12.520 and then Ernie Els and Mark we the we were 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.400 the guys leading. But really John Ashworth led us and 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:19.840 and Barry Grinds what a photographer, and he made us 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.360 look like golfers but cool guys too, and I you know, 0:14:23.400 --> 0:14:25.800 I don't usually say that, but I felt like kind 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.760 of a cool guy. We still that's that's still the 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:33.000 model for every but the model is not shooting on 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.440 a golf course and getting as gritty. And at first 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:37.760 I was kind of like, really, we're gonna go to 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.520 this warehouse that there's shipped all over the ground whatever, 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:45.640 And then yeah, it's like, okay, let's go against the grain. 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.360 You know, it's not gonna look like anybody else. I mean, 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.760 we actually did the hall the black and white stuff 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.920 because A we couldn't afford color. It was twice as expensive, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:59.200 but b it just looks so cool because it just 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.360 stood out. It didn't look like any stupid ads you 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.880 know that were some guy in a golf course with 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:08.200 a red sweater on and you know, perfect green grass 0:15:08.400 --> 0:15:12.360 or whatever. Obviously, whatever they did and how they did 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:17.440 it was working. The Ashworth brand achieved rock star status. 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:22.160 Couples won the Masters, cook was winning multiple tour events, 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:27.080 els won several major championships wearing Ashworth. From selling shirts 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:30.480 out of John Ashworth's trunk, both he and Barry built 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.640 a ninety million dollar business. You know, it was just 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:36.960 sort of a period of time where everything lined up. 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.720 You know, everything just clicked into place. I mean, and 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.560 without even thinking about it or knowing. It was just 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:46.920 sort of this timing of everything happening. And you know, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:50.040 it's a ton of hard work, but it was just 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:55.640 all happening. That was then this is now more from 0:15:55.720 --> 0:16:00.520 Jeff Cunningham. John told me that you are too link 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:03.880 soul what Barry was to Ashworth. What's that mean to you? 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:08.360 That's a ton, Yeah, I could see that. And it's interesting. 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:12.640 Ashworth was so much Barry's baby, like there was no 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.360 I mean, you know, we talked honestly about going back 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:17.840 to Ashworth and and fixing it up, and I was 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:19.920 thinking on my head, you just you can't do it 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:23.960 without Barry, like it was his thing. And and John 0:16:24.000 --> 0:16:27.120 and him, they they had that I I learned. I mean, 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:31.200 Ashworth for me was grad school for this and where 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.360 all this stemmed from. But that was his baby and 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:36.520 and as much as this is my baby and John's 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.120 baby too. So I asked Jeff how and why Barry 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.920 still influences his design and photography. It's funny because I 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.360 still have his voice in my head pretty much daily, 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:49.680 especially in photography and graphic design, because it wasn't just 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:53.200 photography with Barry, he knew graphic design. Maybe I don't know. 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.680 Johnny would say he probably knew that better. I mean, 0:16:56.320 --> 0:17:00.040 I didn't even know anything about fonts and type a 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.160 graphy and all these things. And Very study that stuff 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:06.320 endlessly and could point out he knew every single font 0:17:06.520 --> 0:17:08.399 that ever showed up and everything. He could name it, 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:12.320 every every part of it. And he and he could 0:17:12.320 --> 0:17:16.560 see when things were imperfect. And you know, it's one 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:18.000 of those things that could drive you crazy. And I 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:20.520 think that very kind of went crazy with it a 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:23.399 little bit sometimes. But at the same time, it pushes 0:17:23.440 --> 0:17:25.520 me in my head all the time, like what would 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:27.840 Bury do here? Like is he would he keep going? 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.080 Would this be? You know, am I willing to put 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.960 this in the world looking like this? Or should I 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.840 actually take another hour at two o'clock in the morning 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:39.360 and make this thing look even one step better? Did 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:42.000 you get a chance to ever communicate to him what 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:44.120 he meant to you? Did you ever get a chance 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.040 before he left to just, you know, let him know 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.040 how much you appreciated him or what he meant to you. 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:55.600 I didn't. I didn't, and I and it's it's it's 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:58.520 usually something that would haunt me. But it doesn't haunt 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:03.119 me because I feel like he at some point because 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:07.240 I've I've followed him so much and and it's so 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:10.480 clear how he changed my photography and my graphic design 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:14.040 all the time. But I think in the end he 0:18:14.160 --> 0:18:16.920 probably had to see all that as an homage in 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.520 a way I would if I were him, because I 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:21.720 mean it was very clear and I and I just 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:23.840 felt like he knew that for some reason. And I 0:18:23.920 --> 0:18:25.800 feel like he knows that now wherever he is. I 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.200 just I feel like he's still out there guiding things. 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:32.399 So yeah, I asked John Ashworth if he thought Barry 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.560 Grimes left this world feeling respected and appreciated. He was 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.400 struggling with brain cancer, so you never know what's going 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.040 on what's really important. I don't know how much that 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.320 was important to him. You know, he has two kids 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.879 and two beautiful kids, a beautiful wife, and that's why 0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:50.560 we're you know, Jeff and I. It's Jeff's idea, which 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.200 is a fabulous idea to take one of his photographs 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.200 it's timeless, and put it into a T shirt so 0:18:56.320 --> 0:18:58.920 that we could actually you know, they're going through a 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:03.600 big transition. Obviously, they don't have their key breadwinner, and 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.600 you know, kids are in college, senior in high school, 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.680 so you know, we're trying to raise some money just 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:11.760 to just to help him out a bit. So I 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:14.639 I you know, I think, you know, I think he 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:17.840 was very secure with what his talent was and how 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:22.040 he was respected. For sure, Um, I'm not sure, you know, 0:19:22.400 --> 0:19:23.800 at that point in his life. It was a big 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.960 priority to to realize that. You know, I was lucky. 0:19:28.000 --> 0:19:31.200 I got a chance to kind of spend a fair 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:33.920 amount of time, you know, towards the end with him, 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:37.320 and uh, I felt like he was pretty, he was 0:19:37.359 --> 0:19:40.680 in a good place. You know, something like that shouldn't 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:44.040 happen to anybody, but you know, it's shouldn't have happened 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.479 to him. Link Soul has used the making and selling 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:51.919 of T shirts to contribute to a worthy cause. Unfortunately, 0:19:52.320 --> 0:19:56.680 lately they've had several worthy causes and with your help, 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:01.400 they're making a difference. But we've reached this this new 0:20:01.520 --> 0:20:05.000 thing with Links Soul in this Corona year, COVID year, 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:08.000 where you know, we're starting to realize. But it's always 0:20:08.040 --> 0:20:10.040 kind of been a goal of ours to to give 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:13.359 back as many ways we possibly can um with what 0:20:13.520 --> 0:20:17.080 we make and what we're good at. So it's been 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:21.080 working this year with the charity T shirts for COVID 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:25.200 Relief and make part of War Foundation, all that stuff 0:20:25.280 --> 0:20:27.959 we've you know, we're raised like three dollars this year 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.399 just through three T shirt designs and plus you know 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.800 like Johnson and over and over again links. So it 0:20:32.800 --> 0:20:36.680 wouldn't be here, This wouldn't be happening if it wasn't 0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:39.159 for Barry too. So it's the least we can do. 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.280 The Barry Grames photograph they chose to put on the 0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:44.920 T shirt is a pin flag whipping in the wind. 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:47.040 For me, it's a strong one. I think it's just 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:51.480 catches soul and it catches um, you know, time and 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:54.720 golf and everything in one little moment. You know that 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:56.760 those brief little things you see, And that's what he 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.080 was so good at, was all those things we see 0:20:59.119 --> 0:21:02.200 as golfers when we're walking around, you know, before Instagram, 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:06.240 before all this stuff. Barry caught all those things that 0:21:06.560 --> 0:21:08.240 you know. That's what that's what made it, That's what 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.800 made the ashworth two is that like he was catching 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:14.560 those soulful moments in the moment that we all see 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:16.480 when we're walking around plan but we just didn't ever 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:18.800 get on film. And Barry started capturing when all those 0:21:18.840 --> 0:21:20.840 and putting them out and joining people, and they were like, oh, yeah, 0:21:21.160 --> 0:21:22.720 I love that about golf. I love the way the 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.480 shadow hits that bunker right there, you know, at this 0:21:25.600 --> 0:21:29.480 time of day, etcetera. We didn't have a million Instagram 0:21:29.520 --> 0:21:31.240 accounts to see all this stuff all over the place, 0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.240 so you know, he was He was the o g 0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:38.600 It is a beautiful it's a beautiful photograph, have an 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:44.280 esoteric sort of timeless, otherworldly look to it, and it 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:49.200 is very quintessential Barry Grimes too, isn't Yeah for sure. 0:21:52.920 --> 0:21:56.119 So let's pour some out for Barry Grimes to his 0:21:56.240 --> 0:22:02.439 life a legacy and his family. To purchase the Grimes 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.680 T shirt, go to link soul dot com. All proceeds 0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:09.959 will help Barry's family and their future On behalf of Kristen, 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:13.840 Paul and Charlie, thank you for your support of one 0:22:13.880 --> 0:22:19.240 of golf's greatest influencers. Lastly, and on a lighter note, 0:22:20.119 --> 0:22:22.560 one more quick reflection of memory from John and Jeff. 0:22:22.840 --> 0:22:25.160 I don't know it was. We had so much fun 0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:30.000 together too. Honestly, we had so much freaking fun just 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.600 figuring it out as we went and like bouncing ship 0:22:33.760 --> 0:22:36.080 off and I'd be up at his you know, I 0:22:36.720 --> 0:22:39.240 we we'd always pull all nighters because you know, we're 0:22:39.240 --> 0:22:43.000 trying to lay out either the catalog or something print 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:47.080 wise or do you know whatever, usually catalog or annual report. 0:22:47.160 --> 0:22:48.920 Being a public company, we had to do an annual 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:54.440 report anyway, and he was he was kind of a procrastinator. 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:59.680