WEBVTT - NBA Draft Full Reaction

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode of This League, we are deconstructing one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite drafts in the NBA in a long,

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<v Speaker 1>long time. Lots of movement all around the draft, Lots

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<v Speaker 1>of movement in terms of getting contributors right now, uh, surprises, trades,

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<v Speaker 1>lots of mistakes, some interesting reaches. Uh yeah, we look

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<v Speaker 1>at the Russell Westbrook to La trade. And we also

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<v Speaker 1>have some news about the podcast itself. So go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>Marty and drop that Mickey Mouse ass beat.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care and said, you'll be waiting plan of a ghost,

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<v Speaker 2>the grandne go let me go. When we reach the gay.

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<v Speaker 1>And everybody knows, all right, let's uh, let's get care

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<v Speaker 1>of some some housekeeping. There has been comments about the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast and some of the changes are right. People are confused, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>is this podcast five minutes now? Is it three minutes now?

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<v Speaker 1>What is going on? Why is the Spotify feed this way?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is the Apple feed this way? So it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to just update you about what's happening with season two.

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<v Speaker 1>There is now a change in our episodes in our

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<v Speaker 1>podcast feed. We're about to enter season two of this

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<v Speaker 1>League and we are excited to announce that there are changes.

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<v Speaker 1>There are people, of course that want real episodes. They

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<v Speaker 1>want their meat, they want their potatoes, they want their greens,

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<v Speaker 1>they want all of it. And then there are other

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<v Speaker 1>people who are like, fuck the greens, I just want

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<v Speaker 1>the dessert. I want your fucking takes. And the show

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<v Speaker 1>is for sure about all of it, but it's about

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<v Speaker 1>the takes, it's about opinions. So we're shortening the length

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<v Speaker 1>of the full episodes that are dropping Monday and Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be much more digestible on the big lead,

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<v Speaker 1>the big story of what's going on in the NBA,

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<v Speaker 1>or it could be something that's more evergreen, more deep dive.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, we talked about why the tod Jazz we're

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<v Speaker 1>the best team in sports gambling, maybe the episode would

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<v Speaker 1>have been about that, right, So we're on like a

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<v Speaker 1>singular topic or maybe like this NBA Draft show. It

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<v Speaker 1>might be a mishmash, but it's probably not gonna be.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we're gonna have more flexibility to drop takes.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna drop bite size three to five. Well, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>call it two to seven minute short episodes throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>week on a singular topic, mostly driven by opinion or

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<v Speaker 1>hypotheticals or answering questions from fans, so we're gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>giving you more content. There's more flexibility in what we

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<v Speaker 1>can do. There's also more flexibility in me living my

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<v Speaker 1>goddamn life, so I can do this from other places

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm not stuck in New York City in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of the fucking summer when i want to go

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<v Speaker 1>to a Ruba, Antigua, or wherever the fuck I want

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<v Speaker 1>to go. Uh. But that means that every day Monday

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<v Speaker 1>through Friday, you will get something on the feed. So

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<v Speaker 1>that's fucking dope in my opinion. You don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>wait for breaking news till Friday. If it drops on Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 1>I might just come in and just drop it that day,

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<v Speaker 1>which means you get fresher content, more content, better content.

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<v Speaker 1>So please keep checking the Apple and Spotify feed, depending

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<v Speaker 1>you want in these little takes, hypotheticals, questions, whatever, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll continue to answer them so that we can give

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<v Speaker 1>you more of what you want. All right, So now

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<v Speaker 1>that that little piece of housekeeping is done, let's talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the draft winners losers. I think that's probably the

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<v Speaker 1>most interesting way in breaking that down. Do you agree, Marty?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, definitely.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, first takeaways. First of all, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about Russell Westbrook trade. So the trade details. Let

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<v Speaker 1>me start there. I saw Westbrook trade to the to

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<v Speaker 1>the Lakers first. That happened before the draft even took place.

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<v Speaker 1>That was first glance for you, Marty, was what when

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<v Speaker 1>you saw that trade? What did you think a.

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<v Speaker 2>Little bit of surprise? I mean, like Westbrook wasn't someone

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<v Speaker 2>that I was thinking about, you know, being in the

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<v Speaker 2>mix with the contender like I think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other people. But the more I thought about it, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>they're offloading Kuzmus sucks KCP who is what he is?

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of weirdly like it, Like I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think, like, come playoff time, like that's gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a guy that they're going to look to

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<v Speaker 2>to like a late right and really make a difference

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<v Speaker 2>like in games. But I think it takes like a

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<v Speaker 2>big load off of Lebron, like especially in the regular season.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't know, it could be a great move

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<v Speaker 2>and it could be kind of a man move. That's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of how I feel about it.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, I would tend to agree. And ways one,

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<v Speaker 1>let's start. Let's start with positivity because I normally lead

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<v Speaker 1>with negativity because that's where my brain immediately goes. But

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna start with positivity. I really think Russell Westbrook

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<v Speaker 1>adds a level of defensive intensity, incredible outlet passing, the

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<v Speaker 1>ability to rebound, be athletic, another defensive piece to two

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<v Speaker 1>other guys who are also athletic fucking freaks. Right, like

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<v Speaker 1>you said, it gives Lebron James the ability to play

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<v Speaker 1>eighty two games and not have to bring the ball up.

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<v Speaker 1>Is he a true point guard? He is not. He

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<v Speaker 1>is not. But I think you really do add a

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<v Speaker 1>level of dynamic playmaking. I saw some highlights of Russell

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<v Speaker 1>Westbrook throwing these fucking insane quarterback like lobs to these dunks,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can see Braun Rim running or ad Rim

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<v Speaker 1>running and Russell just passing dimes. Also, if you are

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<v Speaker 1>a mid tier shooter, middle of the road shooter, you

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<v Speaker 1>are going to become a great shooter because you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get so many fucking open looks it's gonna be absurd.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't even need anyone to pay that. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to pay anyone of note because if you can

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<v Speaker 1>shoot open threes in the corner, that's what you're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get a lot of. Yeah, because otherwise they're just going

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<v Speaker 1>to destroy you in the paint.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're gonna make a lot of other moves

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<v Speaker 2>in free agency, Like I think the roster is gonna look,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, just completely different they all.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they only have four contrac players right for.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, obviously, but I mean I think right now, like

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<v Speaker 2>you would slot like Horton Tucker in the starting line,

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<v Speaker 2>he won't be there starting to So yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 2>think it'll be interesting to see who they surround these

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<v Speaker 2>guys with for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, it's interesting because Genie Buss is like, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care about how much I have to pay the Lakers.

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<v Speaker 1>Three guys are making one hundred and thirteen million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>right now. That puts those three guys alone, put them

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<v Speaker 1>over the cap. Right, So every player that they decide

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<v Speaker 1>to add to this roster, we'll put them into a

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<v Speaker 1>luxury tax situation. Right, So they're gonna need to get

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of cheap guys. They got twelve more guys

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<v Speaker 1>and they're probably gonna make like two three million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>of each of them, right, So I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know how much flexibility they have to go out and

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<v Speaker 1>get someone like DeMar Rosen.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I mean he would have to take a serious

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<v Speaker 2>ontown discount, which he might, but like probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>Like maybe he decides I'll make eight million, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>really like thirty million now that there's a luxury tax situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, So those are all the positives that I

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<v Speaker 1>have for this trade. Now the negatives are this, did

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<v Speaker 1>Rob Polinka need to do that trade? On Draft night?

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<v Speaker 1>Was anyone checking for Russell Westbrook who makes forty million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars a year? Did anyone is anyone going after and

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<v Speaker 1>targeting Russell Westbrook and saying we need him for our team? No?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a place that we know Russell Westbrook wants

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<v Speaker 1>to go, which is his hometown? Yes? Did you need

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<v Speaker 1>to give up the twenty second overall pick to get him?

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<v Speaker 1>My guess is no. My guess is probably not. Is

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<v Speaker 1>that meaningful? Probably not right? But what it says to

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<v Speaker 1>me is that Rob Polinka doesn't really care about the

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<v Speaker 1>fit as much as he cares about being first. He

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make a big splash on draft night. He

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<v Speaker 1>wanted everyone to which we are. It's the top of

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking show, is it not?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, I'm he at the top of.

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<v Speaker 1>The fucking show. Everyone's talking about the Lakers. Everyone's talking

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<v Speaker 1>about Rob Polinka and this move that he pulled off,

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<v Speaker 1>and like the move you got rid of Kuzma and

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<v Speaker 1>KCP congratulations and Harrol and Harrol which like, okay, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Mean Harold wasn't even get minutes. As much as I

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<v Speaker 2>like him and.

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<v Speaker 1>Still try to opt into that though, right, no, no.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I know that, But as much as I still

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<v Speaker 2>think he's has a fairly bright future in the league,

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<v Speaker 2>I really don't think they gave up really anything to

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<v Speaker 2>get a guy that I think really changes the dynamic

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<v Speaker 2>of their team. So I don't I don't think it

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<v Speaker 2>was a bad deal by Polinka.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a bad deal. I think the

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<v Speaker 1>timing is strange, and I think if you could get

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<v Speaker 1>Damar instead of Russell Westbrook and then still possibly end

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<v Speaker 1>up getting a playmaker like a Rubio or I know

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<v Speaker 1>Rubio got shipped out, but like a playmaker who is

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<v Speaker 1>cheaper or like a Dinwitty who might have wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>go there. Maybe you've got Dinwitty and Damar. Now you

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<v Speaker 1>have forty million dollars locked up into one guy who

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<v Speaker 1>cannot shoot. So that's a negative in my opinion. I

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<v Speaker 1>think Rob Plink is just not that great at his job,

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<v Speaker 1>and he really does care more about pr than anything else,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a very Laker glitz and glam kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a thing. But they're gonna be fucking exciting. All of

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<v Speaker 1>that to say it's gonna be fun, it's gonna be electric.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got triple double machine. Russell Westbrook has not been

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<v Speaker 1>fully healthy last year. If he has the time to

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<v Speaker 1>rehab and get completely healthy, I think it's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>I think they're right back in. It isn't enough. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>have to see what kind of shooters they get, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's gonna be important, So we'll see. Apparently. The good news, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is that Bleacher Report is putting out that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of veterans are willing to take almost no money to

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<v Speaker 1>play for the Lakers on a discount because they want

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<v Speaker 1>to win with Lebron. So congratulations to La. Continue to

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<v Speaker 1>doing La things. Fuck you, all right? So now the

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<v Speaker 1>real draft winners, winners I've got I'm gonna should I

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<v Speaker 1>just say them and then we'll just go over them.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do this. Yeah, let's go. I'm gonna say, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonn'll go over why I've got. My winners are Detroit, Charlotte, Atlanta, Houston, Brooklyn, Wizards, Pacers, Orlando,

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<v Speaker 1>and an asterisk around Oklahoma City for a joke. Who

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<v Speaker 1>are your winners?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that's kind of I didn't prepare a list, but yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>like Atlanta, definitely, Detroit with what they did, Charlotte at

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<v Speaker 2>Charlotte huge. Yeah, no, you probably covered all of mine

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<v Speaker 2>that I would have put on my list.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about Detroit first. I mean, god, damn, Troy Weaver.

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<v Speaker 1>He is good. He is good at his job. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>Troy Weaver is gonna be an Executive of the Year

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<v Speaker 1>very soon. I think Kate Cunningham that was an obvious pick,

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<v Speaker 1>but the way that he did it, he kept us

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<v Speaker 1>all waiting. He didn't do it like New Orleans did

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<v Speaker 1>with Zion and with ad where it was like we've decided,

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<v Speaker 1>it's already chosen, there is no other thing. He was

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the door open for other deals to come in

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of suspense. All theys were on Detroit, because

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<v Speaker 1>once Detroit decides who they're gonna take, then the world

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<v Speaker 1>moves on. We're still deciding, waiting what is Detroit gonna do?

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So then he took the person he wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the whole time, right, And then in the second round JT.

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<v Speaker 1>Thor at thirty seven, I widely thought to be a

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<v Speaker 1>first round talent. Then my favorite. We talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>the other day, Isaiah Livers at forty two snaked Portland.

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<v Speaker 1>Portland moved into the second round, just like I thought

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<v Speaker 1>they would trying to get Isaiah Livers at forty three,

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<v Speaker 1>and they fucking snaked him at forty two, another first

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<v Speaker 1>round talent, talent if he wouldn't have broken his foot, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the top and off. People are sleeping on this,

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<v Speaker 1>And now I don't think he would have ever been like,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not a go to guy and he's not like

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<v Speaker 1>an immediate like contributor contributed. But Luca Gar's at fifty two,

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<v Speaker 1>I fucking love too. I like that.

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<v Speaker 2>At fifty two, sure, yeah, I mean I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>he's gonna be anything in the league. But at fifty two, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 2>Nate Smith Award winner College Player of.

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<v Speaker 1>The Year, like who knows, who knows? So they got

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<v Speaker 1>the number one consensus overall, two consensus first rounders before

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<v Speaker 1>the college season started in the NCAA Player of the

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<v Speaker 1>Year in one draft and coming off of a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty draft that everyone gave it an a plus where

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<v Speaker 1>they got Killian Hey, Isaiah Stewart, Sidike Bay and nine

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<v Speaker 1>of their twenty wins last year were against playoff teams.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they were the only team that had two players

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<v Speaker 2>on all rookie teams.

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<v Speaker 1>Just wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think my periction time, prediction time, I think Detroit

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<v Speaker 1>ends up making the play tournament next year. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they could pull out like an easily a nine or

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<v Speaker 1>a ten seed like what Indiana did last year. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>come in who knows, Maybe they'll be rocky, Maybe they'll

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<v Speaker 1>be like Charlotte was last year, where they just all

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden kind of rise. At the end

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<v Speaker 1>they're popping around six seven, they fall, and now they're

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<v Speaker 1>sneaking into the play on play in What do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean? I think it all comes down to Caid,

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<v Speaker 2>Like if Caid has that Rookie of the Year level,

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<v Speaker 2>year that we all know he's capable of. And I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if I had to pick right now, who's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be Rookie of the Year, that's what I'm taking. Then Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>then they're gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>Be right there, all right, Charlotte, Oh my lord. They

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<v Speaker 1>just keep they just keep getting players they shouldn't get.

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<v Speaker 1>LaMelo should not have been there last year. Should not

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<v Speaker 1>have been there. Book Night should not have been there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that was the weirdest fall of the

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<v Speaker 2>draft to me, Like that that just kept saying like, okay, passing,

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<v Speaker 2>Like especially the Sacramento passing on him and taking Mitchell,

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<v Speaker 2>that was that was very bizarre.

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<v Speaker 1>Bizarre. Yeah, two guys that should have been Warriors are

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<v Speaker 1>now Hornets, and the Warriors passed on Booknight to get

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that's going to contribute like in twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like it's just it's just gross. The Hornets

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<v Speaker 1>have an embarrassment of riches at multiple positions. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>way too many guards. And like, we've got Devonte Graham,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a restricted free agent they could sign and trade

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<v Speaker 1>him for something. Yeah, You've got Malik Monkhu's a restricted

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<v Speaker 1>free agent who you could sign up and trade him

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<v Speaker 1>for something.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they'll bring him back, but yeah, you think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I think just because Matt Michael Jordan wants to keep

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<v Speaker 1>his own guys. Yeah, Okay. Then they get Mason Plumbley

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<v Speaker 1>to add depth to the front court from Detroit, and

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<v Speaker 1>they get Kai Jones by trading back into the first round.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is absurd. Levels you do not think of

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<v Speaker 1>this when you think of the Charlotte Hornets.

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<v Speaker 2>No you don't. And like Ki for them to be

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<v Speaker 2>able to get book Night and kai Jones, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>kai Jones was mocked to them like at eleven. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like you like, like a shit tone of jail. Like

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<v Speaker 2>if they'd just if they'd have taken I mean, with

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<v Speaker 2>book Night on the board, it would have been different.

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<v Speaker 2>But like say book Knight was off the board and

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<v Speaker 2>they just take Kay Jones. There, no one's calling that

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<v Speaker 2>a bad pick. No, and they're able to get both

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<v Speaker 2>of them, like okay, And like I really think, like

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<v Speaker 2>with LaMelo, a guy like kai Jones is super valuable,

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<v Speaker 2>like guys that can run, run, catch and dunk like

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<v Speaker 2>and he could. Yeah, Like I I love their draft.

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<v Speaker 2>I love their draft.

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<v Speaker 1>I love their draft. All of that to say the

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<v Speaker 1>world myself included, should be discussing how good Mitch Cupcheck

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<v Speaker 1>is yea, not only at evaluating talent, going and getting talent,

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<v Speaker 1>but the most impressive thing of all is finaggling Genie

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<v Speaker 1>Buss to do what he wants to fucking do and

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<v Speaker 1>not what she wants to fucking do, and Michael Jordan

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<v Speaker 1>to do what he wants to do instead of what

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<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan wants to do, because we know that owner's

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<v Speaker 1>instincts are bad mostly and Mitch Kupchick just continues to

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<v Speaker 1>grind and make moves. And by the way, his trades

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<v Speaker 1>have been amazing too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We haven't even talked about Miles Bridges.

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<v Speaker 1>No, yeah, and he's I mean, this team has a bright,

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<v Speaker 1>bright future. I cannot say enough about the Detroit Pistons

0:16:48.520 --> 0:16:51.000
<v Speaker 1>and Charlotte Horns being like my league past teams of

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<v Speaker 1>the year again. Yeah, Charlotte, it's gonna be so funny,

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<v Speaker 1>so fun Atlanta, How the fuck did Atlanta have a

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<v Speaker 1>good draft. It's crazy he managed to get a playoff

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<v Speaker 1>team so loaded. He's been great too. That team is

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<v Speaker 1>so loaded. They have to get rid of Cam Reddish

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<v Speaker 1>because they just don't have enough money to pay enough guys, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're shopping him because they have Herder and Collins

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean so many young guys. And then they

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<v Speaker 1>get Jalen Johnson at twenty, a guy a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people had going higher. Supposedly red flags turn him from

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<v Speaker 1>a lottery pick to a steal at twenty. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what those red flags swore, but I trust Travis

0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:38.159
<v Speaker 1>Lake Schlank said this about Jalen Johnson. We had him

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<v Speaker 1>ranked much higher than forty eight. We got pretty excited

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<v Speaker 1>when we saw him there late. Just a really good playmaker,

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<v Speaker 1>good with the ball in his hands, very good passer, push,

0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:53.600
<v Speaker 1>his tempo, has the ability to get to the foul line.

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<v Speaker 1>He's an extremely talented player, great size, great raw skills, rebounds, defense,

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously had some issues at Duke in high school as well.

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<v Speaker 2>Shooting.

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<v Speaker 1>Shooting, Yeah, shooting, And then they end up getting Sharif

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<v Speaker 1>Cooper at forty eight. Yeah, ESPN number four guard in

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<v Speaker 1>the draft went to forty eight. A wild final season

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<v Speaker 1>at Auburn. I guess he had recruiting questions and an

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<v Speaker 1>ankle injury, but he's a steal. I like him a lot.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he averages like twenty and eight Like

0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:30.040
<v Speaker 2>people don't average eight assistant college very often. Like there's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's something that I think he's a great spell for

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<v Speaker 2>Trey I mean, I mean, even if that's all they

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<v Speaker 2>drafted him for, which I mean he was the second

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<v Speaker 2>round pick, so that probably is what they drafted him

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<v Speaker 2>with that in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Think about that Trey Young ankle injury, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>think Sharif Cooper comes in instead of lou Williams because

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<v Speaker 1>low wims. Who knows what's happening with Lou Williams right,

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<v Speaker 1>if he retires, if he does it, who knows. And

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<v Speaker 1>now you have Sharif Cooper to come in off the

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<v Speaker 1>bench and step in if Trey Young gets hurt or

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<v Speaker 1>if he needs a breather.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and he's from that area too. I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where he's from, but I mean Auburn's like right

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<v Speaker 2>by it. I know, like he's he's he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be comfortable. Yeah. No, that's probably my favorite second round

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<v Speaker 2>pick by a wide margin.

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<v Speaker 1>How does a team like Atlanta who made the Eastern

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<v Speaker 1>Conference finals actually get better in the draft. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't know. I just don't know. Uh, Houston,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like this organization. I just don't I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think uh that Tillman fur Tit is a very good owner,

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<v Speaker 1>but he is getting out of the way. They had

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<v Speaker 1>a stellar draft. They got the no brainer Jalen Green,

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<v Speaker 1>who pretty much number everybody wanted at number two.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they go and trade up for Alpera and Shngon

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<v Speaker 1>at number sixteen, and I think that was a brilliant

0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.720
<v Speaker 1>move because he's going to be able to develop for

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<v Speaker 1>three to five years before anyone even wonders what he's

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<v Speaker 1>up to.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I mean, I mean they've got bigs like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to be asked to do too much

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<v Speaker 2>too quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah. And then he was at one point point

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<v Speaker 1>ranked as high as number one in the draft by

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<v Speaker 1>ESPN Plus, which is wild. And then Uzman Garuba fell

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<v Speaker 1>into their lap at twenty three, ten spots below where

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:15.680
<v Speaker 1>some people thought he would land. Gruba may never score

0:20:15.680 --> 0:20:17.359
<v Speaker 1>in the NBA, and then it just may not even

0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:20.560
<v Speaker 1>matter again. Another guy who's not going to be expected

0:20:20.600 --> 0:20:24.120
<v Speaker 1>to do shit like Houston's not going to win probably

0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:29.320
<v Speaker 1>anytime soon, and that's okay. Ralphaelstone called Uzman Garuba the

0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.600
<v Speaker 1>best defender in the world outside the NBA, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>only nineteen, so is he like a he has a

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<v Speaker 1>more eager coachable international version because we're not gonna call

0:20:41.040 --> 0:20:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Ben Simmons an international player, Like I don't care, I'm

0:20:43.600 --> 0:20:45.720
<v Speaker 1>not gonna call him that. The more he's a more eager,

0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:50.800
<v Speaker 1>coachable version of Ben Simmons, just a defender. He doesn't

0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.720
<v Speaker 1>need to shoot, he knows his role, he's not trying

0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:56.280
<v Speaker 1>to play point guard. And then they get Josh Christopher

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty four, who I didn't know a ton about,

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<v Speaker 1>but his tape looks good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean McDonald's all American, ASU.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, as you puts out great guards. So still you

0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:12.000
<v Speaker 1>overall have to say a team that was absolute hot

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<v Speaker 1>trash vomit got four of the top twenty four picks

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<v Speaker 1>in this draft and three players rated in the top twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's pretty fucking good.

0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:24.480
<v Speaker 2>And they're all guys that have at least a thin

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<v Speaker 2>veil of excitement surrounding them, Like you could get a

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.800
<v Speaker 2>guy at like twenty two to twenty three that like, eh,

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<v Speaker 2>that you're kind of luke warm on. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>any of those guys like if you're a Rocketstan, I

0:21:34.160 --> 0:21:36.600
<v Speaker 2>don't think you're luke warm on any of these four guys.

0:21:36.600 --> 0:21:37.960
<v Speaker 2>I think you're excited, like.

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<v Speaker 1>Like they could be stars, Like they all of them

0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:45.240
<v Speaker 1>have legit potential, and they're all like, Wow, I like

0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:49.280
<v Speaker 1>their upside. I like their upside. A sneaky pick, a

0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:53.480
<v Speaker 1>sneaky team that won is like you get rid of Brooklyn,

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<v Speaker 1>Brooklyn gets rid of Landry Schaman on Draft night to Phoenix,

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<v Speaker 1>which you've got to be excited about.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm It's actually kind of funny because James Jones,

0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.880
<v Speaker 2>he always gets ripped, ripped for his draft picks, even

0:22:05.920 --> 0:22:08.040
<v Speaker 2>the ones that pan out, like Cam Johnson, Like everyone

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:09.680
<v Speaker 2>hated that, and he was just like, Okay, how about

0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:12.439
<v Speaker 2>we just like see not make a draft pick. But yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean swapping twenty nine, which we all know doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have a whole lot of value. Javon Carter, who I like,

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<v Speaker 2>I really like that. I'm gonna miss him in Phoenix,

0:22:22.440 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 2>but he wasn't getting minutes in the playoffs. And you

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<v Speaker 2>get a guy that has like six seventh man potential,

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<v Speaker 2>like come off the like the bench spell, you know

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:31.800
<v Speaker 2>our guards.

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows what happens with campaign if campaign's going to

0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:35.600
<v Speaker 1>be out the door. So if he leaves, then you

0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 1>have somebody to come in and get some reasonable minutes

0:22:38.119 --> 0:22:40.760
<v Speaker 1>right away. He has playoff experience. I really like Landry Shimant.

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<v Speaker 1>He can fucking fill it up from three. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, another great trade for James Show.

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<v Speaker 1>So then okay, Brooklyn gets rid of Landry Schamet and

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, all right, well, the backcourt had some issues

0:22:51.000 --> 0:22:55.000
<v Speaker 1>with injuries. We're not really sure where Joe Sai stands

0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:58.280
<v Speaker 1>on Kyrie Irving. I'm sure he'll stick around, but who knows.

0:22:58.640 --> 0:23:01.560
<v Speaker 1>They have to pay all these guys soon, and they

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<v Speaker 1>get at twenty seven. Cam Thomas, my guy, Cam Thomas

0:23:05.920 --> 0:23:08.199
<v Speaker 1>is gonna get some burn. He is going to be

0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.200
<v Speaker 1>a quote unquote rising player in the middle of next

0:23:11.320 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 1>year where you're gonna be like Cam Thomas is ballin'

0:23:14.040 --> 0:23:14.880
<v Speaker 1>balling off the bench.

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, he's gonna have a chance to, you know,

0:23:16.880 --> 0:23:18.600
<v Speaker 2>sneak into one of the all rookie teams for sure.

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he has an argument for being the best

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:24.560
<v Speaker 2>ISO player in the entire draft. And he gets to

0:23:24.640 --> 0:23:29.080
<v Speaker 2>go practice with bunch Kevin Durant and James Harden like

0:23:29.200 --> 0:23:31.800
<v Speaker 2>every single day. I love it.

0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:36.399
<v Speaker 1>And you know what, sometimes people get not what they want,

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.080
<v Speaker 1>but what they need. Like cam Thomas thought he was

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.920
<v Speaker 1>going to be a top fifteen guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:23:41.960 --> 0:23:44.080
<v Speaker 1>cam Thomas was fucking pissed last night. Yeah.

0:23:44.160 --> 0:23:45.760
<v Speaker 2>During the season, he was definitely thought of as a

0:23:45.800 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 2>lottery guy. He slipped in the pre draft.

0:23:47.280 --> 0:23:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Process for sure, And I'm not sure why he fell

0:23:50.000 --> 0:23:52.359
<v Speaker 1>so far so fast. It might have just been about

0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:56.080
<v Speaker 1>like need and fit, Like, not everybody's as dumb as Sacramento, right,

0:23:56.280 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 1>Not everybody's taking guards when they don't need them. Care

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<v Speaker 1>I think meta.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was an interview thing and people were worried, like, oh,

0:24:05.040 --> 0:24:08.480
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't below the rim guy guy, guys that don't

0:24:08.480 --> 0:24:11.639
<v Speaker 2>play defense. I think you just generally have like a

0:24:11.680 --> 0:24:14.360
<v Speaker 2>worry about them, like, oh, do they really care about this?

0:24:14.400 --> 0:24:16.040
<v Speaker 2>And then if a guy like that then goes and

0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.439
<v Speaker 2>doesn't perform well in interviews, then you really start thinking that.

0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:21.280
<v Speaker 2>And I think that's probably what he ran into.

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:24.119
<v Speaker 1>And you know, the Brooklyn Nets don't give a fuck

0:24:24.200 --> 0:24:26.240
<v Speaker 1>about guys that play defense. Yeah, they don't need to it,

0:24:26.400 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 1>don't need to. Their philosophy is exactly what your philosophy,

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:33.680
<v Speaker 1>Marty would be a viewers GM. We just score thousands

0:24:33.680 --> 0:24:36.640
<v Speaker 1>of points more than you, and that is what they're

0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna get in Cam Thomas, and he's gonna now get

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:42.920
<v Speaker 1>to be in one of the best situations for him

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.360
<v Speaker 1>to grow and develop his game as a fucking bucket.

0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I love this for him. He's not gonna get paid

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.640
<v Speaker 1>as much, but who cares. You're gonna go and play

0:24:51.680 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 1>with Kyrie k D and James Harden. They're gonna turn

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>you into a little monster and then they're gonna ship

0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you out just like they did Landry Schimidt. You're gonna

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:01.280
<v Speaker 1>have a real opportunity to get some fuck star player minutes.

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Cam Thomas, you should be excited. You're going to Brooklyn

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 1>and you're probably gonna get a ring in your first

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:12.359
<v Speaker 1>or second year Wizards. So counterintuitive, but Tommy Sheppard to me,

0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:18.320
<v Speaker 1>made it easier for the Wizards to actually, how would

0:25:18.320 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 1>I put this look themselves in the mirror by not

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 1>trading Bradley Beal. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Once

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Scotti Brooks got fired, you knew that Russell Westbrook was

0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:33.000
<v Speaker 1>going because this is the deal. Russell Westbrook came back

0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:37.400
<v Speaker 1>from a quad injury that he really shouldn't have come

0:25:37.400 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 1>back from like, he should not have gritted through that.

0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.879
<v Speaker 1>He should not have done that, and he decided that

0:25:43.920 --> 0:25:47.320
<v Speaker 1>he was going to try to do It's actually commendable

0:25:47.640 --> 0:25:49.760
<v Speaker 1>what he did. I Am going to do everything that

0:25:49.800 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 1>I can to get this team into the playoffs and

0:25:52.720 --> 0:25:57.359
<v Speaker 1>save my favorite coach's job. And once he was not

0:25:57.520 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 1>able to do that because we thought, like, oh well,

0:26:00.320 --> 0:26:02.959
<v Speaker 1>Russell Westbrook's timeline on his contract will play out exactly

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 1>with the extension of Scottie Brooks, and then Russell Westbrook

0:26:05.760 --> 0:26:07.880
<v Speaker 1>will be a free agent and will and cut ties

0:26:07.920 --> 0:26:11.760
<v Speaker 1>with Scotti Brooks. And Russell Westbrook was and still is

0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:16.359
<v Speaker 1>Bradley Beial's favorite teammate he's ever had. So Okay, Russell

0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Westbrook does get them into the playoffs, they lose, and

0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:23.239
<v Speaker 1>they don't save Scotty Brooks's job, and you at that

0:26:23.320 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 1>point have to know it's a rap.

0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it felt that way.

0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Yep. All right, so you're gonna get rid of him anyway,

0:26:31.960 --> 0:26:34.280
<v Speaker 1>and now you get back the number twenty two pick

0:26:34.400 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 1>Montrez Harrow, who I like, who's a young guy who

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:39.520
<v Speaker 1>can still do things. He hasn't been utilized to the

0:26:39.520 --> 0:26:41.920
<v Speaker 1>best of his ability. He's only making ten million dollars

0:26:41.920 --> 0:26:45.760
<v Speaker 1>a year. He ops in. You get Kuzman KCP, who

0:26:45.800 --> 0:26:48.560
<v Speaker 1>aren't great, We'll say, but you can flip them. They're

0:26:48.560 --> 0:26:52.639
<v Speaker 1>already looking to flip them again. And you get the

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:56.960
<v Speaker 1>number twenty two pick. Who they end up getting, Uh,

0:26:57.000 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>who do they pick at twenty two? They got Isaiah Jackson,

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah at that at that spot, Isaiah Todd at thirty

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:08.439
<v Speaker 1>one because they traded the number twenty two pick to

0:27:08.600 --> 0:27:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Indiana for Aaron Holliday. Yeah, that's right, And they end

0:27:13.560 --> 0:27:15.680
<v Speaker 1>up getting Aaron Holliday to be in the back court

0:27:15.680 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 1>with Bradley Beal. Yeah.

0:27:16.800 --> 0:27:19.200
<v Speaker 2>They did a bad job on the draft like broadcast

0:27:19.240 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 2>by the way of explaining these shits super bad.

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.280
<v Speaker 1>They did like enough where I'm like, okay, I've got

0:27:24.280 --> 0:27:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to now research this on my own.

0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:27.040
<v Speaker 2>You got to be on Twitter, like in order to

0:27:27.080 --> 0:27:29.320
<v Speaker 2>really understand what's going on. The NFL does the draft

0:27:29.320 --> 0:27:29.760
<v Speaker 2>way better?

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 1>They do? And then at fifteen they get Corey Kispert,

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:38.679
<v Speaker 1>who we know is going to fill in for Davis Bertons, right,

0:27:38.720 --> 0:27:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Like you know that means Davias Bertons is getting moved, right,

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 1>that's what you thought, right, I mean yeah, yeah, Like

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.800
<v Speaker 1>that's I love the draft because in if you're plugged

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 1>all the way in, like there's such funny shade, like

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:56.160
<v Speaker 1>you can interpret like what that means. Like I saw

0:27:56.200 --> 0:27:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the Toronto Raptors take Scottie Barnes and I'm like, whelpla

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 1>Pascal Siakam.

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean we're gonna talk about that, Matt for sure,

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:05.119
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>So Corey Kisperta Joe Harris kind of guy four years again,

0:28:08.400 --> 0:28:11.119
<v Speaker 1>Zaga can fill it up. He's gonna be able to

0:28:11.160 --> 0:28:14.879
<v Speaker 1>get so many open threes that Davias Breton's just decided

0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:19.080
<v Speaker 1>not to make. And Davas Breton's is fucking gone send

0:28:19.160 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 1>him to Dallas where they want him anyway, great hair,

0:28:23.359 --> 0:28:27.119
<v Speaker 1>Corey Kispert. It's a win. It's a win. So then

0:28:27.160 --> 0:28:30.639
<v Speaker 1>you got Holiday Beale Kispert. I just like it. I

0:28:30.760 --> 0:28:33.560
<v Speaker 1>like it. You went from a complete rebuild to like,

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:34.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, like.

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Something, yeah, something you got You've got players that you

0:28:38.720 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 2>can be excited about.

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that. I like that. Plus you've got

0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:45.720
<v Speaker 1>Ruey Hutchimura. Ruey Chmur is gonna get tougher with Montrez Harrel.

0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>You know that Montres Harol will eat Ruey Hachimura for breakfast.

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>If he doesn't get tough, like he will literally devour him.

0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, they're gonna trade Kuzma. And now the interesting

0:28:56.360 --> 0:28:59.640
<v Speaker 1>thing is that Spencer Dinwoodie wants to play with Bradley Beal.

0:29:00.160 --> 0:29:03.040
<v Speaker 1>He has said, Okay, I'm willing to come here, so

0:29:03.160 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>Aaron Holliday will be off the bench. Spencer didn he

0:29:05.640 --> 0:29:07.560
<v Speaker 1>will be with Biale. And he also said, hey, I'm

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.320
<v Speaker 1>also gonna recruit some guys to this team. DC's a

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:14.120
<v Speaker 1>fun city district whatever. I've lived there. It's awesome if

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.240
<v Speaker 1>they can find some guys to come. Who knows, maybe

0:29:16.240 --> 0:29:18.440
<v Speaker 1>they don't even need to trade Bradley Beal. That's an

0:29:18.480 --> 0:29:24.400
<v Speaker 1>optimist point of view Pacers. I think Pacers won. I

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.120
<v Speaker 1>think they won just based around taking d'Arte. It was

0:29:27.160 --> 0:29:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a no brainer. Warriors wanted that pick so bad. Yeah,

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>they snaked the Warriors. The Warriors are now still trying

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.760
<v Speaker 1>to get Doorte from the Pacers. Like that's what the

0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:38.600
<v Speaker 1>new news is. We'll talk about it in the loser section.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:42.200
<v Speaker 1>They got Isaiah Jackson at twenty two, which I love

0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.400
<v Speaker 1>because Miles Turner. That means Miles Turner's out, Like we

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.360
<v Speaker 1>saw that, and you're like, oh, a little more athletic

0:29:47.520 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 1>than Miles turn Okay, I see what's happening. I see

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:54.200
<v Speaker 1>what's happening. Carlisle's like, get these motherfuckers out. Aaron Holliday's gone.

0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 1>So I like that. Uh did you like what the

0:29:57.920 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Pacers did getting him?

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:00.080
<v Speaker 2>I thought they were gonna take Moody.

0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:03.040
<v Speaker 1>Guess not? Yeah, guess not.

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:07.320
<v Speaker 2>I like Darte is just I mean he's I mean,

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>he's what, he's like twenty four years old, right, I

0:30:10.560 --> 0:30:13.000
<v Speaker 2>like him at I like him too. That that that

0:30:13.000 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 2>that's not me saying like I don't think he'll be

0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.479
<v Speaker 2>good or he can't be good. I just thought Moody

0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:20.040
<v Speaker 2>was the more upside player, but a lot of people

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 2>were passing on him too, so they're for sure it

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:23.760
<v Speaker 2>must be something going on.

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:25.800
<v Speaker 1>First, I think there's something he went to pick right after, right,

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah he did. He went to the Warriors. But now

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:29.800
<v Speaker 1>the Warriors are trying to ship Moody out too, and

0:30:29.840 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>no one's taking him. So something's up with Moody, Something's

0:30:32.040 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 1>up with Kaminga, something's up with them all right, Orlando

0:30:35.800 --> 0:30:41.280
<v Speaker 1>getting sugs into their laps and them. Not all you

0:30:41.280 --> 0:30:43.040
<v Speaker 1>have to do is just not fuck that up. A

0:30:43.120 --> 0:30:45.520
<v Speaker 1>lot of people were scared because like you have Cole Anthony,

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:50.080
<v Speaker 1>you have Michael Carter Williams, You've got Mark mark el

0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Foltz coming off of injury, You've got Terrence Ross. You've

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:57.120
<v Speaker 1>got a plethora of guards. And if you were a

0:30:57.200 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 1>dumb person or dumb organization, which they are, you would

0:31:00.960 --> 0:31:02.840
<v Speaker 1>just not take them. You would take somebody of need.

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:06.200
<v Speaker 1>And they just, oh man, I'm loving that. I love

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>that they could have taken Fronds. I mean, who knows.

0:31:09.760 --> 0:31:12.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, if you're picking top five, I think

0:31:12.480 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 2>it's stupid to pick based on need, because if you're

0:31:14.720 --> 0:31:17.680
<v Speaker 2>in the top five, you suck, so like you should

0:31:17.800 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 2>unless it's like a trade, so like you you shouldn't

0:31:20.840 --> 0:31:22.880
<v Speaker 2>be thinking about need. You should be thinking about who's

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:24.320
<v Speaker 2>the best player I can take that's gonna make the

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:27.880
<v Speaker 2>biggest impact. And then for a guy that I mean

0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:30.280
<v Speaker 2>everyone's talking about. The biggest thing about this draft was

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 2>like we knew who the top four guys were, Like,

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 2>we knew who the top four guys were, and they're

0:31:34.000 --> 0:31:37.000
<v Speaker 2>picking five. They're like the ones like like creeping out

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.160
<v Speaker 2>the window, like oh oh, that stinks. We like just

0:31:39.200 --> 0:31:41.479
<v Speaker 2>missed out and then one of them just falls right

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:42.920
<v Speaker 2>in your lap. You gotta take sugs.

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>Is gonna be right in the middle of the conversation

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:46.440
<v Speaker 1>for rookie the year it's gonna be him and paid

0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:48.239
<v Speaker 1>back and forth. He's gonna get shit. I think, so

0:31:48.680 --> 0:31:53.360
<v Speaker 1>shitload of minutes. And now Orlando's able to trade guys

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.120
<v Speaker 1>that they thought that they needed. Oh man, it's gonna

0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:59.400
<v Speaker 1>be great. It changes the free agent market too, because

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:01.960
<v Speaker 1>now they get to trade guys and because there's so

0:32:02.000 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>many point guards that are going to be available, because

0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:07.160
<v Speaker 1>they have like six point guards, six guards that they

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 1>can get rid of. And then they take Franz Wagner

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 1>at eight, which I think is kind of gross. Uh,

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>But there was a lot of guys there that you

0:32:16.080 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 1>could have grabbed it eight you could have gotten you

0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>could have gotten Ah, what's that kid's name? Book Night

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 1>at eight. I would have loved that, which was supposed

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.000
<v Speaker 1>to be who they were gonna take it five. So

0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>you take book Night, that would have been. You could

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.840
<v Speaker 1>have taken shanegon on a flyer, you could have taken

0:32:32.360 --> 0:32:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's a lot of options.

0:32:33.760 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>Wagner is the guy who I just have the least

0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:39.120
<v Speaker 2>amount of excitement like maybe in the entire draft, and

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:41.760
<v Speaker 2>like maybe it's because his brother. For sure, it's just

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:44.600
<v Speaker 2>like the Euro thing that like my brain is still

0:32:44.640 --> 0:32:46.400
<v Speaker 2>just like programmed to think that those guys are going

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 2>to be terrible. I just I don't know. I think

0:32:49.080 --> 0:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>he'll be.

0:32:50.160 --> 0:32:53.080
<v Speaker 1>He'll be met. Yeah, he'll be met. Maybe maybe he'll

0:32:53.120 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>be something. Maybe he'll turn into Vouch. They did. They

0:32:55.520 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 1>did get Vuch, so they do know something. He's not big,

0:32:59.200 --> 0:33:01.720
<v Speaker 1>Like he's not like Vucha. I'm not into it. I'm

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:04.200
<v Speaker 1>not into it. Listen, I'm trying to convince myself and

0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm not into it. Oklahoma City this is why. This

0:33:08.600 --> 0:33:13.920
<v Speaker 1>is why they're winners, because Oklahoma City was not intending

0:33:13.960 --> 0:33:18.880
<v Speaker 1>on getting better, Like they don't want to win anytime soon.

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>So they take Josh Giddy and then they punt. That's

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>what you do. You take more picks. You just accumulate

0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:30.400
<v Speaker 1>picks as much as you can. Them taking on Derek

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Favors for a future first round pick was like, okay,

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:39.360
<v Speaker 1>I know what they are now from the number one

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:44.720
<v Speaker 1>seed in the NBA this year correct, They're like, yeah,

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 1>let's do this. This is what they are. They're two

0:33:47.960 --> 0:33:50.280
<v Speaker 1>kinds of there's two analogies that I think of the mess.

0:33:50.600 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>One they are the recycling scrapyard where they say, Okay,

0:33:56.920 --> 0:33:59.320
<v Speaker 1>you've got a car. You got a luxury car that's

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:02.040
<v Speaker 1>just a little too a little too expensive, a money suck.

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Pay us to take that car, and we're either gonna

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:08.359
<v Speaker 1>fix that car up or we're gonna sell it off

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 1>for parts and get picks in return for it. Oh,

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you got a two thousand and eight LR two cost

0:34:15.680 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 1>me a little bit too much to maintain. We'll take

0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>it off your hands. Just give us six thousand dollars

0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:25.320
<v Speaker 1>and we'll turn that baby around for another six thousand dollars.

0:34:25.680 --> 0:34:28.239
<v Speaker 1>Or Another analogy that I have is that they're like

0:34:28.280 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>the guy who has no interest in actually going on

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:34.400
<v Speaker 1>any dates, don't want to pay for any dates, but

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 1>they just want phone numbers. They just want to put

0:34:37.160 --> 0:34:40.239
<v Speaker 1>like a whole sticky notes on their wall of all

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>the phone numbers that they accumulate, girls that they could have,

0:34:44.440 --> 0:34:47.479
<v Speaker 1>like girls that they if they wanted, they could date,

0:34:48.040 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 1>and then they sell those phone numbers to other people

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 1>for more phone numbers, like they don't actually want. They

0:34:53.800 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>don't actually want to date anyone ever. They never want

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 1>to get married. They just want numbers and the potential

0:35:03.280 --> 0:35:06.479
<v Speaker 1>for more numbers. That's them. Do you get what I'm saying.

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:08.120
<v Speaker 2>I get what you said. Yeah, I mean they just

0:35:08.239 --> 0:35:09.319
<v Speaker 2>keep At some.

0:35:09.280 --> 0:35:11.120
<v Speaker 1>Point, they've got to like want.

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 2>To win, right, I mean, they're playing they're playing a

0:35:12.960 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 2>super long game. They're doing exactly what the like Sixers

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>did and what kind of Phoenix did, but they're doing

0:35:19.320 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 2>it to like a way bigger extent, just accumulating assets

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:27.000
<v Speaker 2>and uh yeah, and they're talking about trading Shay too.

0:35:27.160 --> 0:35:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Like yes, by the way, Shae was another one of

0:35:30.440 --> 0:35:33.840
<v Speaker 1>the the Mitch cup Check drafts. By the way, he

0:35:33.920 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 1>picked him up. That was a Charlotte Hornet draft pick. Yes, sir, Yeah,

0:35:38.680 --> 0:35:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I was traded to a place that was traded to

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:47.040
<v Speaker 1>La Clippers and then to and then to Yeah, gotcha. Anyway, Yeah,

0:35:47.080 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 1>they just don't ever want to be good. They don't

0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 1>they have to. They're gonna trade Shaye because they don't

0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:55.759
<v Speaker 1>want to be good. So I mean they're gonna be

0:35:55.760 --> 0:35:58.080
<v Speaker 1>good in like twenty thirty five, they changed the NBA

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.400
<v Speaker 1>changed the rules because they were literally like, give us

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 1>your twenty forty five first Router, Like they're like, dude,

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.359
<v Speaker 1>we don't even know if the if the planet will

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.840
<v Speaker 1>be available then, like we're not even sure global warming

0:36:11.960 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 1>and dinosaurs and like COVID, we're gonna get like the

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 1>COVID zebra variant by the time Oklahoma City's any good.

0:36:20.560 --> 0:36:23.040
<v Speaker 1>It's crazy. It is crazy. But that's them winning. That's

0:36:23.080 --> 0:36:28.640
<v Speaker 1>them being winners. Let's talk about losers. Man, the calves,

0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 1>So let's just go through them. I've got calves, kings, raptors, sixers, warriors.

0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Do you agree, uh, calves?

0:36:40.360 --> 0:36:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Maybe, I'm not like, I'll tell you what. Ok, all right,

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 2>let's hear it. Raptors one percent.

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the worst picks that I can imagine remembering. Yeah,

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.440
<v Speaker 1>I mean that was like Massi massaia, is MASSI leaving?

0:36:53.480 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, is MASSI trying to fuck the raptors? Like?

0:36:56.400 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 2>Since, that's the worst I felt about a top five

0:36:59.360 --> 0:37:00.799
<v Speaker 2>pick since back, I'm pretty sure.

0:37:00.880 --> 0:37:04.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I was like, Wow, I guess they're keeping lowry.

0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.560
<v Speaker 1>That's all I could think of, is like, you have

0:37:06.640 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>to be keeping loud. Who else are you going to get?

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:11.000
<v Speaker 1>Has to be what it is. It's like a six

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know so, okay, Calves. This is the

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>reason that it's bad. The Calves took Mobili, which everyone

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:25.000
<v Speaker 1>knew was like part of that top four, right, Yeah,

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:30.400
<v Speaker 1>and everyone thought that they would do it. But here's

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:34.319
<v Speaker 1>the problem. As Chris Fiedor said, there was some incorrect

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>chatter about the Calves meeting with and working out Evan

0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Mobley prior to the draft. Kobe Altman said that this

0:37:42.360 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 1>was a unique process and they never had the opportunity

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:51.680
<v Speaker 1>to talk to Evan Mobley or work him out at

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:56.239
<v Speaker 1>all during the pre draft process. They never spoke with

0:37:56.480 --> 0:38:01.080
<v Speaker 1>or met with their first round pick. I would say

0:38:02.320 --> 0:38:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that's not great, especially given the fact that the Warriors

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.360
<v Speaker 1>were willing to give you the seven and the fourteen,

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 1>and probably Wiseman, who's we know what he is compared

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:16.520
<v Speaker 1>to Mobile. We know at least he has gotten some

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 1>NBA minutes and probably Wiggins for that pick and some things, right,

0:38:23.680 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>and you've got Jared Allen, who you love, that's gonna

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.800
<v Speaker 1>ask for the tune of one hundred and ten million dollars.

0:38:31.440 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 1>So the fit's not there. The love's not there, Like

0:38:35.239 --> 0:38:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean not, I'm talking about vin Well. That's not

0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 1>even a pun. Like the love be. He didn't even

0:38:39.480 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 1>want to fucking meet with you. He didn't want to

0:38:42.280 --> 0:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>work out for you, he didn't want to meet with you,

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:46.279
<v Speaker 1>and you just picked him anyway because you're like, because

0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:47.399
<v Speaker 1>you fucking have to come here.

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, I mean I think that's silly to pass

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:52.359
<v Speaker 2>on guys because they didn't work out there.

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:54.439
<v Speaker 1>Try to trade for it. Try to try to trade

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:56.680
<v Speaker 1>that pick if he doesn't want to meet with you,

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot of value. People are saying that

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:00.879
<v Speaker 1>Evan Mobley could be one of the blah blah blah

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:02.560
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blahs. You know what I mean, that's

0:39:02.600 --> 0:39:05.359
<v Speaker 1>the I mean, that's the Sacramento mentality. That's why they

0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:07.040
<v Speaker 1>took badly because he's the only one that worked out

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:08.480
<v Speaker 1>with him and wanted to meet with him. That's why

0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 1>they took him over Luca. I don't necessarily agree with

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.160
<v Speaker 1>you that that's a reason to not take a guy. Yeah,

0:39:15.239 --> 0:39:17.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll see, But I think needs there as well, Like

0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:20.879
<v Speaker 1>what do you do now with Jared Allen? I think

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Mobley's ceiling is much higher than Jared Allen's. As much

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.000
<v Speaker 1>as I liked here, so does Jared Allen now get

0:39:25.040 --> 0:39:26.920
<v Speaker 1>traded sign and trade.

0:39:26.960 --> 0:39:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean probably not. You're probably gonna see what you

0:39:28.680 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 2>have with both of them. Yeah, I mean, I'm not

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:31.440
<v Speaker 2>trying to win this year.

0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:35.440
<v Speaker 1>No they're not. Yeah, they're not trying to win. They're

0:39:35.480 --> 0:39:38.200
<v Speaker 1>like a word. I mean, they're a worse version of

0:39:38.200 --> 0:39:41.000
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City. They have no ability to like accumulate picks

0:39:41.040 --> 0:39:44.080
<v Speaker 1>except for the lottery that they're in. But I mean,

0:39:44.120 --> 0:39:46.120
<v Speaker 1>I just don't trust anything that they do.

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:48.799
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, no no. Of course this isn't me saying like, oh,

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:52.360
<v Speaker 2>they were like really strategic and like shrewd during this draft.

0:39:52.360 --> 0:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>But I think taking Mobley at three was the right call.

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.720
<v Speaker 1>I think if you could get but seven and seven

0:39:57.800 --> 0:40:03.760
<v Speaker 1>and fourteen or t Sugs and trade fucking Colin Sexton's

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>little bull ass and move out. I like Sugs more

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>than I like Mobile. If you have Jared Allen, but

0:40:08.680 --> 0:40:10.279
<v Speaker 1>I know you've said that he's more upside, but like

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.000
<v Speaker 1>if you all have, if you only have YouTube on

0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>this guy, he's not even willing to answer his phone.

0:40:16.160 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>I just don't know. Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland, King's King's doing

0:40:20.320 --> 0:40:26.279
<v Speaker 1>King's things consistently. Kings, Kings, you are trash. You are

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:30.000
<v Speaker 1>so bad. You are so bad at everything that you do.

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:34.359
<v Speaker 1>Everything you do. Just when you pull me in and

0:40:34.400 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe you're changing, you do the thing that

0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:41.839
<v Speaker 1>you're known to do. You got Tyreee Taliburt. And I'm like, okay, yes,

0:40:42.280 --> 0:40:44.600
<v Speaker 1>you're telling me you're getting rid of Marvin Bagley. And

0:40:44.600 --> 0:40:47.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, okay, you're saying, hey, we want to get

0:40:47.080 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 1>rid of Luke Walton, but we just can't right now. Okay,

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.240
<v Speaker 1>You're gonna movedy buddy heel because he's making too much money. Okay,

0:40:53.520 --> 0:40:56.600
<v Speaker 1>You like, Where'shawn Holmes? You got out bid? You got

0:40:56.640 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>out bid. You like Rareshaun Holmes best roller in the league. Okay.

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 1>And then you take Davion Mitchell, who is six feet

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 1>tall at the very most, when you have Fox and

0:41:13.560 --> 0:41:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Halliburton and Healed and Harrison Barns and you don't need them.

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:20.120
<v Speaker 2>No, And then like that's not even a guy that

0:41:20.160 --> 0:41:21.799
<v Speaker 2>you could call like a combo guard that could play.

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:24.439
<v Speaker 2>But he's he's a point guard. He can't defend anyone

0:41:24.520 --> 0:41:26.640
<v Speaker 2>other than the shortest guy on the team. Like he's

0:41:26.719 --> 0:41:28.560
<v Speaker 2>he's a one, and he.

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:31.760
<v Speaker 1>Is a one. Yeah, and you already have another couple

0:41:31.800 --> 0:41:34.080
<v Speaker 1>of ones like Tyree's Halliburton is a.

0:41:34.040 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 2>One like your two biggest Yeah yeah, your two biggest

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:39.359
<v Speaker 2>pieces are like ones that could like maybe passes combo guards.

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.640
<v Speaker 2>But like this, you draft someone that's like locked into

0:41:41.680 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 2>that position.

0:41:42.280 --> 0:41:44.759
<v Speaker 1>And so what are you planning on doing? Are you

0:41:44.800 --> 0:41:47.879
<v Speaker 1>planning on starting or or playing dag On Mitchell off

0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.759
<v Speaker 1>the bench? When you had you had book Night right there, you.

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:53.040
<v Speaker 2>Had right like if you wanted to go guard, you

0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 2>like fucked up until like.

0:41:54.640 --> 0:41:58.640
<v Speaker 1>Yeah this guard right take Zire Williams maybe take. I mean,

0:41:58.719 --> 0:42:03.080
<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand. It just does not unless you're

0:42:03.120 --> 0:42:05.839
<v Speaker 1>fucking getting rid of Fox and we don't even know

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:10.320
<v Speaker 1>about it. Then that's I don't understand. Why would you

0:42:10.360 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 1>get rid of Fox? I don't know they yet what

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:13.759
<v Speaker 1>you're doing. It like what you're doing.

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I mean they're just they're absolutely morons. They

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:19.040
<v Speaker 2>just say they don't know what they're doing. That's the

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:22.000
<v Speaker 2>most maybe in all of sports, just the most run

0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 2>down franchise.

0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:25.120
<v Speaker 1>It just doesn't. I mean, you're just like make it

0:42:25.160 --> 0:42:28.760
<v Speaker 1>make sense. Apparently also earlier in that day they turned

0:42:28.840 --> 0:42:32.160
<v Speaker 1>down or earlier earlier in the week, excuse me, they

0:42:32.200 --> 0:42:36.640
<v Speaker 1>turned down getting rid of Bagley for fucking Yonas Valentunis.

0:42:36.760 --> 0:42:38.680
<v Speaker 1>They could have just given up that nine pick, which

0:42:38.760 --> 0:42:41.040
<v Speaker 1>let's say they already did. They punted on nine by

0:42:41.040 --> 0:42:43.520
<v Speaker 1>taking Davion Mitchell. But you could have had Jonas Valentinis

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.360
<v Speaker 1>and left Marvin Bagley by the wayside, which you know

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.560
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't even want to be there, and they passed

0:42:49.600 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 1>up on that.

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:51.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't hear about Tom and.

0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:56.080
<v Speaker 1>You would had seventeen and Yonis Valentunis, and you probably

0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:57.960
<v Speaker 1>would have gotten the same exact guy. Davian Mitchell might

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:02.760
<v Speaker 1>have been there at seventeen. What are you fucking doing, Raptors,

0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:06.120
<v Speaker 1>What are you doing? Raptors, what are you doing? Why

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 1>would you pass on Suggs? What the fuck are you doing?

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I was so shocked. I know that that was chatter

0:43:13.200 --> 0:43:16.760
<v Speaker 1>about them liking long athletic versatil guys that could switch everything.

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 1>I know that's a thing in Toronto. But like Suggs

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:24.759
<v Speaker 1>is the guy you lucked your way into four by

0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:28.799
<v Speaker 1>having a tremendously awful year in Tampa Bay in a

0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:32.600
<v Speaker 1>COVID year, and the ping pong balls rewarded you for

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 1>all of those Tampa Bay fans booing you at your

0:43:35.160 --> 0:43:41.640
<v Speaker 1>home games and you take Scotty fucking Barnes. Scotty Barnes,

0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>who is the second coming of Ben Simmons.

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like they'd be lucky if he turns into that.

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:53.000
<v Speaker 2>It's just uh yeah, I mean, you've got Sugs right there,

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>who's as polished as a nineteen year old could be.

0:43:57.040 --> 0:44:00.279
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna get Really, I meant, like A said, I've

0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>already said, it's the most shocked I've been for a

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 2>top five pick since Badley, Like, you've got the guy

0:44:04.719 --> 0:44:07.160
<v Speaker 2>that you never thought was gonna be there. Well, I mean,

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you've got the guy that's right there that

0:44:09.120 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 2>everyone was slotted that like you shouldn't. It was just

0:44:13.080 --> 0:44:15.200
<v Speaker 2>so obvious who to pick, and they just blew it.

0:44:15.280 --> 0:44:17.479
<v Speaker 1>Like to me, that means that there's an issue between

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Nick Nurse and MASSI, because I don't think Nick Nurse

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:22.240
<v Speaker 1>wants a guy that can't shoot. Nick Nurse has written

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 1>an entire book about shooting. He's not gonna want this project.

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it just it doesn't make sense from

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.800
<v Speaker 2>a basketball standpoint, It doesn't make sense from a roster

0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:39.440
<v Speaker 2>construction standpoint. It just I would love to hear whoever

0:44:39.480 --> 0:44:42.120
<v Speaker 2>had final call, really defend it and just see what

0:44:42.160 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 2>they say.

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:43.359
<v Speaker 1>Tell me what you say?

0:44:43.440 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know.

0:44:45.000 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 1>And at that point, like you must really hate Pascal Siakam.

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:51.760
<v Speaker 1>There must really be something with him in the locker

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 1>room and Nick Nurse because he must have to go.

0:44:54.920 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't think they play together. People on Twitter were like, Tristy,

0:44:57.400 --> 0:44:59.239
<v Speaker 1>you're a fucking idiot. They can play together? Can they

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:03.160
<v Speaker 1>play together? I don't know? Can they? You have? You

0:45:03.239 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>have a point guard problem? Kyle Lowry? Are they Are

0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 1>they gonna keep Kyle? I don't know. Are they gonna

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:13.200
<v Speaker 1>keep Kyle Lowry? Thirty seven years old? He's gonna get

0:45:13.200 --> 0:45:15.279
<v Speaker 1>thirty million? Are they just gonna give him like a

0:45:15.800 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 1>thank you for your service thirty million, three three year

0:45:19.880 --> 0:45:21.640
<v Speaker 1>deal for ninety five million?

0:45:23.160 --> 0:45:25.760
<v Speaker 2>This free agency is gonna be so juicy, so juicy.

0:45:25.840 --> 0:45:30.600
<v Speaker 1>Also, if they do keep Kyle Lowry, Pelicans, what are

0:45:30.640 --> 0:45:32.799
<v Speaker 1>you up to? What are you gonna do now? I

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:34.799
<v Speaker 1>can't wait. You're gonna end up with Josh Hard again

0:45:34.840 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 1>and Lonzo Ball and be back in the same spot Sixers.

0:45:38.320 --> 0:45:45.280
<v Speaker 1>You couldn't trade Ben Simmons and for that you have failed. Yeah,

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:48.080
<v Speaker 1>and for that you have failed. I promise you the

0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:51.759
<v Speaker 1>Raptors love Scottie Barnes. That means they probably love That

0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 1>means they probably love Ben Simmons. What do you do then,

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Like you probably could have gotten that number four pick.

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:00.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:06.839
<v Speaker 1>Maybe if they're taking Scottie Barnes right at four and

0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.400
<v Speaker 1>you say, hey, do you think Scotty Barnes has a

0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 1>better upside than Ben Simmons, They're gonna say no, he's

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:16.040
<v Speaker 1>an all star right now, okay, and we'll give you

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 1>a Kyle Lowry for on a signage, Like maybe you

0:46:20.000 --> 0:46:21.840
<v Speaker 1>give him the rights. I know you can't trade Kyle

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Lowry right now because it's like rules. But maybe you

0:46:24.280 --> 0:46:28.680
<v Speaker 1>trade Passcal Siakam for Ben Simmons and the number four pick.

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:33.920
<v Speaker 1>And now you've got a guy who can shoot in

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.560
<v Speaker 1>Suggs and you got Passcal Siakam. That would be a

0:46:36.600 --> 0:46:39.120
<v Speaker 1>hell of a deal. If you're this, if you're Darryl Moray,

0:46:39.160 --> 0:46:41.200
<v Speaker 1>you do that deal? Do you not? Yeah?

0:46:41.280 --> 0:46:44.359
<v Speaker 2>Probably? I mean I mean I did. I think they're

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.000
<v Speaker 2>talking to just about everybody. And if you know, if

0:46:48.000 --> 0:46:51.040
<v Speaker 2>the deal's not there, the deal's not there. It's such

0:46:51.040 --> 0:46:52.760
<v Speaker 2>a it's such a weird thing. I have no problem

0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 2>with them being in the losers because it just doesn't

0:46:54.560 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 2>seem like they really know what to do with them.

0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:58.799
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what to do with Ben. And they

0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>also didn't really do much to get a guard. I like,

0:47:03.880 --> 0:47:08.280
<v Speaker 1>it's okay, but like they need someone that's a bucket now. Yeah,

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>and everybody's going after Lowry and it's like, who there's

0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:12.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people who aren't gonna get them. You

0:47:12.680 --> 0:47:16.240
<v Speaker 1>can only play for one team, right uh? Colden State

0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>fam all of the news, all of the news pre

0:47:20.280 --> 0:47:25.840
<v Speaker 1>draft was Draymond, Draymond, Steph and Clay all got together

0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:29.200
<v Speaker 1>and they said, hey, please don't take any guys in

0:47:29.280 --> 0:47:31.960
<v Speaker 1>this draft. Please get us someone who can contribute right away.

0:47:32.480 --> 0:47:36.040
<v Speaker 1>We need some help. We don't need guys who are eighteen,

0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 1>nineteen years old. We are in our thirties, we have

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:43.560
<v Speaker 1>already won championships. We are not in the mood. We're

0:47:43.560 --> 0:47:47.080
<v Speaker 1>not in the mood to develop anyone new. We need

0:47:47.120 --> 0:47:50.759
<v Speaker 1>to win now. And instead of trading those picks, they

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:58.760
<v Speaker 1>take some suspect ask guys Kaminga at seven and Moses

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:02.839
<v Speaker 1>Moodya at fourteen. And now they're lying to us. Now

0:48:02.880 --> 0:48:05.640
<v Speaker 1>they're lying. Now they're lying to us this is the

0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Warriors are still saying that they're The Warriors are still

0:48:09.080 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 1>this reporting says that they're still actively trying to acquire

0:48:13.080 --> 0:48:17.440
<v Speaker 1>Chris Dwarte, according to J. Michael from the Indie Star League,

0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:20.560
<v Speaker 1>sources tell Indie Sports that the Warriors are trying to

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:23.920
<v Speaker 1>get the Pacers to part ways with Dwarte offering Moody

0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 1>plus other assets. They're not budging right now. D'warte was

0:48:28.120 --> 0:48:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the pick that they wanted to top of their board,

0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 1>and the Warriors are saying that wasn't true. We didn't

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>want him, we didn't want Dowarte. The fact that he

0:48:37.280 --> 0:48:41.120
<v Speaker 1>wasn't there, Moses Moody, even if Doortay was there, we

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:42.839
<v Speaker 1>were have taken Moses Moody no matter what. And it's

0:48:42.880 --> 0:48:45.439
<v Speaker 1>like that's a lie. That is a lie. And then

0:48:45.680 --> 0:48:47.400
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the draft there were talks that

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.720
<v Speaker 1>they were trying, first of all, all the way down

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.560
<v Speaker 1>to like the end of the clock, Golden State was trying,

0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 1>you could tell, trying to move number seven, trying to

0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:57.840
<v Speaker 1>move number seven, trying to move number fourteen. It's like

0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.319
<v Speaker 1>thirty seconds left in the clock. That take kaminga because

0:49:00.320 --> 0:49:04.640
<v Speaker 1>they think, in my opinion, they think Kaminga has value

0:49:05.080 --> 0:49:08.719
<v Speaker 1>as a trade piece like two days from now. Yeah,

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean definitely the biggest trade value there just because

0:49:10.880 --> 0:49:13.279
<v Speaker 1>of his upside. Right, So then they try to move

0:49:13.360 --> 0:49:16.000
<v Speaker 1>them midway through the draft with fourteen and with blah

0:49:16.000 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>blah blah to maybe somebody at eight or nine to

0:49:18.400 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 1>slide in, and they can't do that, then they try

0:49:20.600 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 1>to move Moses Moody. Nobody's taken a like the Warriors

0:49:24.600 --> 0:49:28.360
<v Speaker 1>are I think for who they are, Like Sacramento is

0:49:28.360 --> 0:49:30.759
<v Speaker 1>a big loser, but they're always a loser. Like we

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:34.839
<v Speaker 1>think that the Warriors should be back into contention and

0:49:34.920 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe Kaminga. Everybody online is mad to all the Golden

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:43.000
<v Speaker 1>State Warriors beat reporters. This is fucking free Steph. He's

0:49:43.080 --> 0:49:45.920
<v Speaker 1>fucking in prison. They just want step to be Batman

0:49:46.000 --> 0:49:47.799
<v Speaker 1>all the time and do all these heroics and then

0:49:47.840 --> 0:49:49.160
<v Speaker 1>be in the eight seed playing in the play and

0:49:49.200 --> 0:49:53.520
<v Speaker 1>tournament again, Like this is fucked, This is fucked.

0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean you have to imagine they're moving one

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.560
<v Speaker 2>or more of these guys. I mean, I mean there's

0:50:01.600 --> 0:50:06.000
<v Speaker 2>no way that they're gonna have Moody, Kaminga, and Wiseman

0:50:06.200 --> 0:50:07.440
<v Speaker 2>all getting minutes next year.

0:50:07.480 --> 0:50:07.520
<v Speaker 1>That.

0:50:08.880 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess they may, but that that just

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.160
<v Speaker 2>does not seem like something that they shouldn't keep doing.

0:50:13.320 --> 0:50:16.319
<v Speaker 1>Your mood is exactly like Miami. I mean, yeah, could

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 1>add book Night, didn't draft him, could have had have

0:50:18.640 --> 0:50:22.520
<v Speaker 1>reached for Dwarte, didn't. Bob Myers said this after the draft, Well,

0:50:22.560 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>obviously we have to also add through free agency. We're

0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:27.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna have to also get some older guys. I mean,

0:50:27.400 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you fucking think Bob Myers leagues ahead, leagues ahead the

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:34.560
<v Speaker 1>world the world is. I said this on Twitter today.

0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:37.399
<v Speaker 1>Yesterday is maybe the day where we all step back

0:50:37.440 --> 0:50:42.359
<v Speaker 1>and say, I think we need to reevaluate how good

0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Bob Myers is.

0:50:43.480 --> 0:50:46.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've always thought that. I knew when he

0:50:46.800 --> 0:50:49.160
<v Speaker 2>said that that was the most obnoxious and stupid quote

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 2>of all time when he said, Oh, as a front office,

0:50:51.000 --> 0:50:53.759
<v Speaker 2>we're leagues ahead. Okay, yeah, you got lucky because the

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:55.640
<v Speaker 2>cap was weird one year, you were able to sign

0:50:55.719 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the best player in the league to add to two time,

0:51:00.840 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>then one two. But like a team that had been

0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:06.600
<v Speaker 2>to the finals two straight years, and yeah, okay, yeah,

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.960
<v Speaker 2>your leagues ahead. You just figured it out, you shifted everything.

0:51:10.719 --> 0:51:14.480
<v Speaker 1>Just no fuck off, like you signed Kevin Durant, which,

0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:18.360
<v Speaker 1>let's be honest, that's a Jerry West thing. You didn't

0:51:18.440 --> 0:51:21.520
<v Speaker 1>move Klay Thompson even though you wanted to. Joe lacub

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:24.640
<v Speaker 1>and you wanted to move Klay Thompson, and Jerry West

0:51:24.680 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 1>was like, hold on them, don't do that. Don't do

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:30.160
<v Speaker 1>we don't want Kevin Love. Don't do that. Yeah, no, no,

0:51:30.719 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 1>So what have you done since he's left? Not much,

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:34.640
<v Speaker 1>not a fucking thing. Yeah.

0:51:34.760 --> 0:51:37.200
<v Speaker 2>I have a tweet going back the day Ryan McDonald

0:51:37.239 --> 0:51:39.600
<v Speaker 2>was fired. I tweet. I haven't seen it a long time,

0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:41.879
<v Speaker 2>but I tweeted if Bob Myers wanted the GM job

0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:43.040
<v Speaker 2>right now, I wouldn't give it to him.

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:51.960
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not. Yep. Twenty eighteen eighteen surprises Josh Primo at twelve.

0:51:53.320 --> 0:51:57.160
<v Speaker 1>We talked about him having a huge upside, but also

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.880
<v Speaker 1>I would say not that much upside, not twelve.

0:52:00.080 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 2>That twelve twelve is high. I mean, that's that's a

0:52:03.360 --> 0:52:06.919
<v Speaker 2>Cam Johnson level reach, which I mean that panned out,

0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.879
<v Speaker 2>but so this one, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:11.440
<v Speaker 2>it won't, but that, Yeah, that shocked me.

0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:17.080
<v Speaker 1>Shocked me. That was just about as shocking as as

0:52:17.560 --> 0:52:20.480
<v Speaker 1>the Raptors not taking Jalen sucks. It was like very close.

0:52:20.520 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 1>It was like the next shot most shocking thing.

0:52:22.680 --> 0:52:25.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where I was like, what with less implications, But yeah, no,

0:52:25.520 --> 0:52:26.640
<v Speaker 2>I was. I was shocked.

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:30.240
<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, like the Spurs do things

0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:32.359
<v Speaker 1>that I have no idea about, and then they work

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:34.080
<v Speaker 1>out like they got to Jonte Murray at what like

0:52:34.080 --> 0:52:37.919
<v Speaker 1>twenty seven and twenty eight, they got Derek White was late.

0:52:38.160 --> 0:52:39.960
<v Speaker 1>They know how to draft, they do and at the

0:52:40.000 --> 0:52:42.200
<v Speaker 1>end of the day, like, I'm not as good as

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 1>RC Buford and I'm just gonna punt, Like whereas the

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Sacramento Kings don't get any grace, right, San Antonio Spurs

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:48.560
<v Speaker 1>get a lot of grace.

0:52:48.640 --> 0:52:49.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Jared Butler to the Jazz at forty also huge surprise.

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:55.040
<v Speaker 1>Jazz might have gotten the steal in the draft.

0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:57.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's a guy that that there had

0:52:57.960 --> 0:53:00.000
<v Speaker 2>to be something going around and it was pre drafts.

0:53:00.440 --> 0:53:03.799
<v Speaker 1>So basically he has a heart condition, right, has a

0:53:03.840 --> 0:53:06.279
<v Speaker 1>heart condition, but he got cleared. And then once he

0:53:06.360 --> 0:53:09.600
<v Speaker 1>got cleared, but he had that heart condition, there was

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:15.000
<v Speaker 1>additional medical testing that needed to happen as a part

0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.720
<v Speaker 1>of that whole thing. And then through that medical testing

0:53:17.760 --> 0:53:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that it was revealed that there were some knee issues,

0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:24.800
<v Speaker 1>so he ended up falling significantly. But I think this

0:53:24.880 --> 0:53:26.399
<v Speaker 1>might be one of the best spots for him to go.

0:53:27.200 --> 0:53:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Jazz needs some guard play. They have some issues with

0:53:30.640 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 1>the cap. They're going to move some players out. He's

0:53:33.560 --> 0:53:34.839
<v Speaker 1>going to get some playing time. He's going to get

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:38.840
<v Speaker 1>into the Jordan Clarkson style role and be able to

0:53:38.880 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 1>develop without any pressure. Number one team in the NBA

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:44.640
<v Speaker 1>last year, and now he gets to be on that

0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:48.799
<v Speaker 1>squad that has good culture. So I like that. We

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.799
<v Speaker 1>talked about Cam Thomas already. Iowed de soon moved to

0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:55.040
<v Speaker 1>the Bulls at thirty eight. Another guy that fell like

0:53:55.080 --> 0:53:57.839
<v Speaker 1>twenty twelve to fifteen spots lower than I think he

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 1>wanted and what anyone thought. He has a lot of upside.

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:03.839
<v Speaker 1>We talked about that. I like that a guy from

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:07.200
<v Speaker 1>you in the University of Illinois playing for Chicago from Chicago.

0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.960
<v Speaker 1>I love that, huh. Where Like Kobe White is probably

0:54:11.000 --> 0:54:14.440
<v Speaker 1>out another four to six months with the torn labram,

0:54:14.680 --> 0:54:16.880
<v Speaker 1>the Bulls are going to use him right away. I

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:18.239
<v Speaker 1>think it's a great spot for him.

0:54:19.040 --> 0:54:23.160
<v Speaker 2>You agree, Yeah, No, yeah, I definitely like it, especially

0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:26.719
<v Speaker 2>with Kobe White. Yeah, his I don't want to say

0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:29.000
<v Speaker 2>his future in jeopardy, but his season a little we

0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:29.720
<v Speaker 2>called his future.

0:54:29.760 --> 0:54:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I think his future is in jeopardy. I don't think

0:54:31.440 --> 0:54:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the Chicago Bulls particularly like Kobe White. They didn't really.

0:54:36.040 --> 0:54:38.720
<v Speaker 1>They benched him earlier in the season, like he turns

0:54:38.760 --> 0:54:41.120
<v Speaker 1>the ball over, he's an erratic decision maker. I don't

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:45.600
<v Speaker 1>think Chicago particularly likes him. I think that if iod

0:54:45.600 --> 0:54:47.560
<v Speaker 1>De soon MoU ends up being a better player than

0:54:47.600 --> 0:54:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Kobe White's gonna find himself in trouble. I think he's

0:54:49.920 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 1>going to find himself in real trade risk certainly.

0:54:53.760 --> 0:54:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I like the pit.

0:54:55.600 --> 0:54:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Let's get into some news around the league. Man, this

0:54:59.880 --> 0:55:03.560
<v Speaker 1>is how you know the team USA. The powers that

0:55:03.719 --> 0:55:08.800
<v Speaker 1>be are the most crotchety, stick up their ass old

0:55:08.880 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 1>school fuckers. I mean, we're way worse than Europe, way worse.

0:55:15.440 --> 0:55:19.280
<v Speaker 1>They love themselves some fundamental basketball boy. Remember this. Remember

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.719
<v Speaker 1>when Trey Young tweeted that thing out. It was the

0:55:21.800 --> 0:55:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Isaiah Thomas Gift or meet whatever video where it was

0:55:26.040 --> 0:55:29.720
<v Speaker 1>like I met the criteria to be selected, but I wasn't.

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:34.480
<v Speaker 1>When basically Bradley Beal got COVID and then had to

0:55:34.480 --> 0:55:37.160
<v Speaker 1>be off a Team USA and they chose someone to

0:55:37.520 --> 0:55:40.359
<v Speaker 1>step in and also Kevin Love left, so they picked

0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 1>JaVale McGee and Kelden Johnson, and Trey Young's like, Yo,

0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:51.000
<v Speaker 1>where is my Team USA invite? Yeah? Unreal move. So

0:55:51.080 --> 0:55:54.560
<v Speaker 1>they asked Jerry Colangelo about this and guess what, Marty,

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 1>what do you think? He said, I'm sorry with a

0:55:58.080 --> 0:55:58.600
<v Speaker 1>bad move.

0:55:59.480 --> 0:56:00.560
<v Speaker 2>No, I don't know.

0:56:01.239 --> 0:56:06.200
<v Speaker 1>Doubled fucking down. He said, I'm happy that Trey wants

0:56:06.239 --> 0:56:08.879
<v Speaker 1>to play for USA basketball. We had him in one

0:56:08.880 --> 0:56:12.000
<v Speaker 1>of our camps. We know him in USA basketball. He's

0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:15.920
<v Speaker 1>done really well in the NBA, but predicated on what

0:56:15.960 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 1>we felt we needed, he just didn't fit the bill

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:21.960
<v Speaker 1>this time around. He's a young player, has a future

0:56:22.000 --> 0:56:24.560
<v Speaker 1>with Team USA Basketball. But it was the opinion of

0:56:24.600 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 1>our staff, by the way, Staph, Steve Kerr, Lloyd Pierce,

0:56:27.760 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 1>we'll get back to that that he wasn't a fit

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:34.959
<v Speaker 1>for now. It's for others to make the declare the

0:56:35.000 --> 0:56:40.879
<v Speaker 1>declaration that you made a mistake. Man. Wow. Okay, So

0:56:41.400 --> 0:56:44.200
<v Speaker 1>remember Steve Kerr earlier this year said what Trey Young

0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:48.600
<v Speaker 1>does is not basketball? Remember that? Yeah, they played I

0:56:48.600 --> 0:56:51.799
<v Speaker 1>think Steve Nash said it too. They played there, was

0:56:51.880 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of chatter about Trey Young initiating contact

0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:57.600
<v Speaker 1>and getting a lot of bullshit.

0:56:57.280 --> 0:57:00.319
<v Speaker 2>Calls, which is the only thing that they're talking about,

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:02.000
<v Speaker 2>because it pisses them off that he stops short and

0:57:02.000 --> 0:57:03.799
<v Speaker 2>gets all those foul calls. They're just mad about it.

0:57:03.840 --> 0:57:06.680
<v Speaker 1>They're just like mad. It's like literally your salty. The

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:10.239
<v Speaker 1>Tray Young is so little and continues to fucking cook

0:57:10.280 --> 0:57:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you no matter what you do. He remors, he throws, loves,

0:57:13.960 --> 0:57:17.360
<v Speaker 1>throws floaters. You can't stop them, step backs. He's too little.

0:57:17.400 --> 0:57:19.560
<v Speaker 1>There's nothing you can do. And you're like, fuck Tray Young,

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:21.800
<v Speaker 1>he's not gonna be on our team. Take your own ball,

0:57:21.880 --> 0:57:24.680
<v Speaker 1>go home. That is shitty. That is shitty to Tray Young.

0:57:24.960 --> 0:57:29.240
<v Speaker 1>It's obvious. So then Colangelo said more things. Uh, he

0:57:29.360 --> 0:57:31.200
<v Speaker 1>was not done, not by a long shot. He took

0:57:31.240 --> 0:57:35.520
<v Speaker 1>the opportunity to also bust toss Kevin Love's ball handling skills.

0:57:36.520 --> 0:57:39.160
<v Speaker 1>He was asked if Love was a mistake to add

0:57:39.160 --> 0:57:43.320
<v Speaker 1>to Team USA roster, and oh boy, he did not

0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:47.040
<v Speaker 1>hold back. He said, I didn't think Kevin Love was

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:50.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna play. I wasn't even sure he had much left

0:57:50.560 --> 0:57:54.080
<v Speaker 1>to play. He reached out to us, and he said

0:57:54.120 --> 0:57:56.880
<v Speaker 1>he was in shape and he felt he owed us.

0:57:57.080 --> 0:57:59.800
<v Speaker 1>And on the basis of that, well, you know, being

0:57:59.840 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 1>like a twelfth man on the roster. Well it didn't

0:58:02.760 --> 0:58:06.960
<v Speaker 1>work out. He wasn't in shape and he was way behind,

0:58:07.040 --> 0:58:10.040
<v Speaker 1>as it turns out. So you move on. You call

0:58:10.080 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 1>it a mistake, call it giving someone an opportunity, someone

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:16.000
<v Speaker 1>who had existing equity with us. Guys who play for

0:58:16.120 --> 0:58:20.520
<v Speaker 1>us get a little plus. So fat ask Kevin Love

0:58:20.800 --> 0:58:24.560
<v Speaker 1>was apparently a mistake in Jerry Clangelow's mind. And now

0:58:24.640 --> 0:58:27.479
<v Speaker 1>an untradable asset just gets kicked in the mouth again.

0:58:27.600 --> 0:58:30.160
<v Speaker 1>But Trey Young, Trey Young doesn't deserve a shot, just

0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Kevin Love does. Ugh, Ugh Gross Gross. Finally, someone in

0:58:37.480 --> 0:58:41.680
<v Speaker 1>authority has given us some information on Kawhi. Clipper's president

0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:46.160
<v Speaker 1>Lawrence Frank just came out and gave a fairly dire

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:51.240
<v Speaker 1>account of Kuhi's injury. He said, this, Kawhi Leonard's recovery

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:54.000
<v Speaker 1>is going to take a great deal of time. Right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Our focus is on his health. He had major surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>he tore his acl It's going to require a great

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<v Speaker 1>deal of time and even more support. Major surgery. Not

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<v Speaker 1>this was a partial ACL taar, but it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>partial ACL tear, if that makes sense. Like some partial

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<v Speaker 1>ACL tears require surgery and some Don'tawi is gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>out for a long time. This was full ACL construction.

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<v Speaker 1>Lawrence Frank also reiterated that the team wants the relationship

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<v Speaker 1>to last a very long time. I don't know, Marty,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. I think he'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>come in and opt that. Do you opt in?

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<v Speaker 2>You could do a lot. I mean yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I think if you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Smart person, you opted. He might finesse the Clippers into

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<v Speaker 1>giving him like a five year deal, or he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>bounce in free agency or something. I don't know. Kawhi

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<v Speaker 1>Leonard has way more power than he deserves. In my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, way way more. He's good, but not diva good.

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<v Speaker 1>Only so many players are diva good. Almost none, almost none. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all the time that we have for this lead podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>States has a massive game coming up this Saturday morning

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<v Speaker 1>at eight am. They played Czech Republic. If they lose

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<v Speaker 1>that game, they are fucking out out. They are all

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<v Speaker 1>the way out, and you know what, as someone who

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<v Speaker 1>wants a fucking vacation, fingers crossed, baby, fingers crossed. All right, Marty,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all the time we got. Let's uh, let's end

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<v Speaker 1>this thing.