Speaker 1: On this episode of This League, we are deconstructing one
Speaker 1: of my favorite drafts in the NBA in a long,
Speaker 1: long time. Lots of movement all around the draft, Lots
Speaker 1: of movement in terms of getting contributors right now, uh, surprises, trades,
Speaker 1: lots of mistakes, some interesting reaches. Uh yeah, we look
Speaker 1: at the Russell Westbrook to La trade. And we also
Speaker 1: have some news about the podcast itself. So go ahead,
Speaker 1: Marty and drop that Mickey Mouse ass beat.
Speaker 2: Take care and said, you'll be waiting plan of a ghost,
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Speaker 1: And everybody knows, all right, let's uh, let's get care
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Speaker 1: that that little piece of housekeeping is done, let's talk
Speaker 1: about the draft winners losers. I think that's probably the
Speaker 1: most interesting way in breaking that down. Do you agree, Marty?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1: All right, first takeaways. First of all, we need to
Speaker 1: talk about Russell Westbrook trade. So the trade details. Let
Speaker 1: me start there. I saw Westbrook trade to the to
Speaker 1: the Lakers first. That happened before the draft even took place.
Speaker 1: That was first glance for you, Marty, was what when
Speaker 1: you saw that trade? What did you think a.
Speaker 2: Little bit of surprise? I mean, like Westbrook wasn't someone
Speaker 2: that I was thinking about, you know, being in the
Speaker 2: mix with the contender like I think a lot of
Speaker 2: other people. But the more I thought about it, I mean,
Speaker 2: they're offloading Kuzmus sucks KCP who is what he is?
Speaker 2: I kind of weirdly like it, Like I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't think, like, come playoff time, like that's gonna be
Speaker 2: you know, a guy that they're going to look to
Speaker 2: to like a late right and really make a difference
Speaker 2: like in games. But I think it takes like a
Speaker 2: big load off of Lebron, like especially in the regular season.
Speaker 2: And I don't know, it could be a great move
Speaker 2: and it could be kind of a man move. That's
Speaker 2: kind of how I feel about it.
Speaker 1: To me, I would tend to agree. And ways one,
Speaker 1: let's start. Let's start with positivity because I normally lead
Speaker 1: with negativity because that's where my brain immediately goes. But
Speaker 1: we're gonna start with positivity. I really think Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: adds a level of defensive intensity, incredible outlet passing, the
Speaker 1: ability to rebound, be athletic, another defensive piece to two
Speaker 1: other guys who are also athletic fucking freaks. Right, like
Speaker 1: you said, it gives Lebron James the ability to play
Speaker 1: eighty two games and not have to bring the ball up.
Speaker 1: Is he a true point guard? He is not. He
Speaker 1: is not. But I think you really do add a
Speaker 1: level of dynamic playmaking. I saw some highlights of Russell
Speaker 1: Westbrook throwing these fucking insane quarterback like lobs to these dunks,
Speaker 1: and I can see Braun Rim running or ad Rim
Speaker 1: running and Russell just passing dimes. Also, if you are
Speaker 1: a mid tier shooter, middle of the road shooter, you
Speaker 1: are going to become a great shooter because you're gonna
Speaker 1: get so many fucking open looks it's gonna be absurd.
Speaker 1: They don't even need anyone to pay that. They don't
Speaker 1: need to pay anyone of note because if you can
Speaker 1: shoot open threes in the corner, that's what you're gonna
Speaker 1: get a lot of. Yeah, because otherwise they're just going
Speaker 1: to destroy you in the paint.
Speaker 2: I think they're gonna make a lot of other moves
Speaker 2: in free agency, Like I think the roster is gonna look,
Speaker 2: you know, just completely different they all.
Speaker 1: I mean, they only have four contrac players right for.
Speaker 2: Sure, obviously, but I mean I think right now, like
Speaker 2: you would slot like Horton Tucker in the starting line,
Speaker 2: he won't be there starting to So yeah, no, I
Speaker 2: think it'll be interesting to see who they surround these
Speaker 2: guys with for sure.
Speaker 1: To me, it's interesting because Genie Buss is like, I
Speaker 1: don't care about how much I have to pay the Lakers.
Speaker 1: Three guys are making one hundred and thirteen million dollars
Speaker 1: right now. That puts those three guys alone, put them
Speaker 1: over the cap. Right, So every player that they decide
Speaker 1: to add to this roster, we'll put them into a
Speaker 1: luxury tax situation. Right, So they're gonna need to get
Speaker 1: a bunch of cheap guys. They got twelve more guys
Speaker 1: and they're probably gonna make like two three million dollars
Speaker 1: of each of them, right, So I don't I don't
Speaker 1: know how much flexibility they have to go out and
Speaker 1: get someone like DeMar Rosen.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean he would have to take a serious
Speaker 2: ontown discount, which he might, but like probably not.
Speaker 1: Like maybe he decides I'll make eight million, but that's
Speaker 1: really like thirty million now that there's a luxury tax situation.
Speaker 1: So okay, So those are all the positives that I
Speaker 1: have for this trade. Now the negatives are this, did
Speaker 1: Rob Polinka need to do that trade? On Draft night?
Speaker 1: Was anyone checking for Russell Westbrook who makes forty million
Speaker 1: dollars a year? Did anyone is anyone going after and
Speaker 1: targeting Russell Westbrook and saying we need him for our team? No?
Speaker 1: Is there a place that we know Russell Westbrook wants
Speaker 1: to go, which is his hometown? Yes? Did you need
Speaker 1: to give up the twenty second overall pick to get him?
Speaker 1: My guess is no. My guess is probably not. Is
Speaker 1: that meaningful? Probably not right? But what it says to
Speaker 1: me is that Rob Polinka doesn't really care about the
Speaker 1: fit as much as he cares about being first. He
Speaker 1: wanted to make a big splash on draft night. He
Speaker 1: wanted everyone to which we are. It's the top of
Speaker 1: the fucking show, is it not?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I'm he at the top of.
Speaker 1: The fucking show. Everyone's talking about the Lakers. Everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about Rob Polinka and this move that he pulled off,
Speaker 1: and like the move you got rid of Kuzma and
Speaker 1: KCP congratulations and Harrol and Harrol which like, okay, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean Harold wasn't even get minutes. As much as I
Speaker 2: like him and.
Speaker 1: Still try to opt into that though, right, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, I know that, But as much as I still
Speaker 2: think he's has a fairly bright future in the league,
Speaker 2: I really don't think they gave up really anything to
Speaker 2: get a guy that I think really changes the dynamic
Speaker 2: of their team. So I don't I don't think it
Speaker 2: was a bad deal by Polinka.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a bad deal. I think the
Speaker 1: timing is strange, and I think if you could get
Speaker 1: Damar instead of Russell Westbrook and then still possibly end
Speaker 1: up getting a playmaker like a Rubio or I know
Speaker 1: Rubio got shipped out, but like a playmaker who is
Speaker 1: cheaper or like a Dinwitty who might have wanted to
Speaker 1: go there. Maybe you've got Dinwitty and Damar. Now you
Speaker 1: have forty million dollars locked up into one guy who
Speaker 1: cannot shoot. So that's a negative in my opinion. I
Speaker 1: think Rob Plink is just not that great at his job,
Speaker 1: and he really does care more about pr than anything else,
Speaker 1: which is a very Laker glitz and glam kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. But they're gonna be fucking exciting. All of
Speaker 1: that to say it's gonna be fun, it's gonna be electric.
Speaker 1: You've got triple double machine. Russell Westbrook has not been
Speaker 1: fully healthy last year. If he has the time to
Speaker 1: rehab and get completely healthy, I think it's gonna be
Speaker 1: I think they're right back in. It isn't enough. We'll
Speaker 1: have to see what kind of shooters they get, because
Speaker 1: that's gonna be important, So we'll see. Apparently. The good news, though,
Speaker 1: is that Bleacher Report is putting out that a lot
Speaker 1: of veterans are willing to take almost no money to
Speaker 1: play for the Lakers on a discount because they want
Speaker 1: to win with Lebron. So congratulations to La. Continue to
Speaker 1: doing La things. Fuck you, all right? So now the
Speaker 1: real draft winners, winners I've got I'm gonna should I
Speaker 1: just say them and then we'll just go over them.
Speaker 1: Let's do this. Yeah, let's go. I'm gonna say, I'm
Speaker 1: gonn'll go over why I've got. My winners are Detroit, Charlotte, Atlanta, Houston, Brooklyn, Wizards, Pacers, Orlando,
Speaker 1: and an asterisk around Oklahoma City for a joke. Who
Speaker 1: are your winners?
Speaker 2: Uh, that's kind of I didn't prepare a list, but yeah, no,
Speaker 2: like Atlanta, definitely, Detroit with what they did, Charlotte at
Speaker 2: Charlotte huge. Yeah, no, you probably covered all of mine
Speaker 2: that I would have put on my list.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Detroit first. I mean, god, damn, Troy Weaver.
Speaker 1: He is good. He is good at his job. Oh,
Speaker 1: Troy Weaver is gonna be an Executive of the Year
Speaker 1: very soon. I think Kate Cunningham that was an obvious pick,
Speaker 1: but the way that he did it, he kept us
Speaker 1: all waiting. He didn't do it like New Orleans did
Speaker 1: with Zion and with ad where it was like we've decided,
Speaker 1: it's already chosen, there is no other thing. He was
Speaker 1: leaving the door open for other deals to come in
Speaker 1: a lot of suspense. All theys were on Detroit, because
Speaker 1: once Detroit decides who they're gonna take, then the world
Speaker 1: moves on. We're still deciding, waiting what is Detroit gonna do?
Speaker 1: All right, So then he took the person he wanted
Speaker 1: the whole time, right, And then in the second round JT.
Speaker 1: Thor at thirty seven, I widely thought to be a
Speaker 1: first round talent. Then my favorite. We talked about this
Speaker 1: the other day, Isaiah Livers at forty two snaked Portland.
Speaker 1: Portland moved into the second round, just like I thought
Speaker 1: they would trying to get Isaiah Livers at forty three,
Speaker 1: and they fucking snaked him at forty two, another first
Speaker 1: round talent, talent if he wouldn't have broken his foot, right,
Speaker 1: and then the top and off. People are sleeping on this,
Speaker 1: And now I don't think he would have ever been like,
Speaker 1: he's not a go to guy and he's not like
Speaker 1: an immediate like contributor contributed. But Luca Gar's at fifty two,
Speaker 1: I fucking love too. I like that.
Speaker 2: At fifty two, sure, yeah, I mean I don't think
Speaker 2: he's gonna be anything in the league. But at fifty two, yeah, sure,
Speaker 2: Nate Smith Award winner College Player of.
Speaker 1: The Year, like who knows, who knows? So they got
Speaker 1: the number one consensus overall, two consensus first rounders before
Speaker 1: the college season started in the NCAA Player of the
Speaker 1: Year in one draft and coming off of a twenty
Speaker 1: twenty draft that everyone gave it an a plus where
Speaker 1: they got Killian Hey, Isaiah Stewart, Sidike Bay and nine
Speaker 1: of their twenty wins last year were against playoff teams.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were the only team that had two players
Speaker 2: on all rookie teams.
Speaker 1: Just wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think my periction time, prediction time, I think Detroit
Speaker 1: ends up making the play tournament next year. I think
Speaker 1: they could pull out like an easily a nine or
Speaker 1: a ten seed like what Indiana did last year. They'll
Speaker 1: come in who knows, Maybe they'll be rocky, Maybe they'll
Speaker 1: be like Charlotte was last year, where they just all
Speaker 1: all of a sudden kind of rise. At the end
Speaker 1: they're popping around six seven, they fall, and now they're
Speaker 1: sneaking into the play on play in What do you think?
Speaker 2: I mean? I think it all comes down to Caid,
Speaker 2: Like if Caid has that Rookie of the Year level,
Speaker 2: year that we all know he's capable of. And I mean,
Speaker 2: if I had to pick right now, who's going to
Speaker 2: be Rookie of the Year, that's what I'm taking. Then Yeah,
Speaker 2: then they're gonna.
Speaker 1: Be right there, all right, Charlotte, Oh my lord. They
Speaker 1: just keep they just keep getting players they shouldn't get.
Speaker 1: LaMelo should not have been there last year. Should not
Speaker 1: have been there. Book Night should not have been there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the weirdest fall of the
Speaker 2: draft to me, Like that that just kept saying like, okay, passing,
Speaker 2: Like especially the Sacramento passing on him and taking Mitchell,
Speaker 2: that was that was very bizarre.
Speaker 1: Bizarre. Yeah, two guys that should have been Warriors are
Speaker 1: now Hornets, and the Warriors passed on Booknight to get
Speaker 1: a guy that's going to contribute like in twenty thirty.
Speaker 1: I mean, like it's just it's just gross. The Hornets
Speaker 1: have an embarrassment of riches at multiple positions. They've got
Speaker 1: way too many guards. And like, we've got Devonte Graham,
Speaker 1: who's a restricted free agent they could sign and trade
Speaker 1: him for something. Yeah, You've got Malik Monkhu's a restricted
Speaker 1: free agent who you could sign up and trade him
Speaker 1: for something.
Speaker 2: I think they'll bring him back, but yeah, you think so.
Speaker 1: I think just because Matt Michael Jordan wants to keep
Speaker 1: his own guys. Yeah, Okay. Then they get Mason Plumbley
Speaker 1: to add depth to the front court from Detroit, and
Speaker 1: they get Kai Jones by trading back into the first round.
Speaker 1: Like this is absurd. Levels you do not think of
Speaker 1: this when you think of the Charlotte Hornets.
Speaker 2: No you don't. And like Ki for them to be
Speaker 2: able to get book Night and kai Jones, I mean
Speaker 2: kai Jones was mocked to them like at eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like you like, like a shit tone of jail. Like
Speaker 2: if they'd just if they'd have taken I mean, with
Speaker 2: book Night on the board, it would have been different.
Speaker 2: But like say book Knight was off the board and
Speaker 2: they just take Kay Jones. There, no one's calling that
Speaker 2: a bad pick. No, and they're able to get both
Speaker 2: of them, like okay, And like I really think, like
Speaker 2: with LaMelo, a guy like kai Jones is super valuable,
Speaker 2: like guys that can run, run, catch and dunk like
Speaker 2: and he could. Yeah, Like I I love their draft.
Speaker 2: I love their draft.
Speaker 1: I love their draft. All of that to say the
Speaker 1: world myself included, should be discussing how good Mitch Cupcheck
Speaker 1: is yea, not only at evaluating talent, going and getting talent,
Speaker 1: but the most impressive thing of all is finaggling Genie
Speaker 1: Buss to do what he wants to fucking do and
Speaker 1: not what she wants to fucking do, and Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: to do what he wants to do instead of what
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan wants to do, because we know that owner's
Speaker 1: instincts are bad mostly and Mitch Kupchick just continues to
Speaker 1: grind and make moves. And by the way, his trades
Speaker 1: have been amazing too.
Speaker 2: Yeah. We haven't even talked about Miles Bridges.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, and he's I mean, this team has a bright,
Speaker 1: bright future. I cannot say enough about the Detroit Pistons
Speaker 1: and Charlotte Horns being like my league past teams of
Speaker 1: the year again. Yeah, Charlotte, it's gonna be so funny,
Speaker 1: so fun Atlanta, How the fuck did Atlanta have a
Speaker 1: good draft. It's crazy he managed to get a playoff
Speaker 1: team so loaded. He's been great too. That team is
Speaker 1: so loaded. They have to get rid of Cam Reddish
Speaker 1: because they just don't have enough money to pay enough guys, right,
Speaker 1: so they're shopping him because they have Herder and Collins
Speaker 1: and I mean so many young guys. And then they
Speaker 1: get Jalen Johnson at twenty, a guy a lot of
Speaker 1: people had going higher. Supposedly red flags turn him from
Speaker 1: a lottery pick to a steal at twenty. I don't
Speaker 1: know what those red flags swore, but I trust Travis
Speaker 1: Lake Schlank said this about Jalen Johnson. We had him
Speaker 1: ranked much higher than forty eight. We got pretty excited
Speaker 1: when we saw him there late. Just a really good playmaker,
Speaker 1: good with the ball in his hands, very good passer, push,
Speaker 1: his tempo, has the ability to get to the foul line.
Speaker 1: He's an extremely talented player, great size, great raw skills, rebounds, defense,
Speaker 1: Obviously had some issues at Duke in high school as well.
Speaker 2: Shooting.
Speaker 1: Shooting, Yeah, shooting, And then they end up getting Sharif
Speaker 1: Cooper at forty eight. Yeah, ESPN number four guard in
Speaker 1: the draft went to forty eight. A wild final season
Speaker 1: at Auburn. I guess he had recruiting questions and an
Speaker 1: ankle injury, but he's a steal. I like him a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he averages like twenty and eight Like
Speaker 2: people don't average eight assistant college very often. Like there's yeah,
Speaker 2: there's something that I think he's a great spell for
Speaker 2: Trey I mean, I mean, even if that's all they
Speaker 2: drafted him for, which I mean he was the second
Speaker 2: round pick, so that probably is what they drafted him
Speaker 2: with that in mind.
Speaker 1: Think about that Trey Young ankle injury, and then you
Speaker 1: think Sharif Cooper comes in instead of lou Williams because
Speaker 1: low wims. Who knows what's happening with Lou Williams right,
Speaker 1: if he retires, if he does it, who knows. And
Speaker 1: now you have Sharif Cooper to come in off the
Speaker 1: bench and step in if Trey Young gets hurt or
Speaker 1: if he needs a breather.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's from that area too. I don't know
Speaker 2: exactly where he's from, but I mean Auburn's like right
Speaker 2: by it. I know, like he's he's he's going to
Speaker 2: be comfortable. Yeah. No, that's probably my favorite second round
Speaker 2: pick by a wide margin.
Speaker 1: How does a team like Atlanta who made the Eastern
Speaker 1: Conference finals actually get better in the draft. I just
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I just don't know. Uh, Houston,
Speaker 1: I don't like this organization. I just don't I don't
Speaker 1: think uh that Tillman fur Tit is a very good owner,
Speaker 1: but he is getting out of the way. They had
Speaker 1: a stellar draft. They got the no brainer Jalen Green,
Speaker 1: who pretty much number everybody wanted at number two.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: Then they go and trade up for Alpera and Shngon
Speaker 1: at number sixteen, and I think that was a brilliant
Speaker 1: move because he's going to be able to develop for
Speaker 1: three to five years before anyone even wonders what he's
Speaker 1: up to.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean, I mean they've got bigs like that.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be asked to do too much
Speaker 2: too quickly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then he was at one point point
Speaker 1: ranked as high as number one in the draft by
Speaker 1: ESPN Plus, which is wild. And then Uzman Garuba fell
Speaker 1: into their lap at twenty three, ten spots below where
Speaker 1: some people thought he would land. Gruba may never score
Speaker 1: in the NBA, and then it just may not even
Speaker 1: matter again. Another guy who's not going to be expected
Speaker 1: to do shit like Houston's not going to win probably
Speaker 1: anytime soon, and that's okay. Ralphaelstone called Uzman Garuba the
Speaker 1: best defender in the world outside the NBA, and he's
Speaker 1: only nineteen, so is he like a he has a
Speaker 1: more eager coachable international version because we're not gonna call
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons an international player, Like I don't care, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna call him that. The more he's a more eager,
Speaker 1: coachable version of Ben Simmons, just a defender. He doesn't
Speaker 1: need to shoot, he knows his role, he's not trying
Speaker 1: to play point guard. And then they get Josh Christopher
Speaker 1: at twenty four, who I didn't know a ton about,
Speaker 1: but his tape looks good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean McDonald's all American, ASU.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you puts out great guards. So still you
Speaker 1: overall have to say a team that was absolute hot
Speaker 1: trash vomit got four of the top twenty four picks
Speaker 1: in this draft and three players rated in the top twenty,
Speaker 1: and that's pretty fucking good.
Speaker 2: And they're all guys that have at least a thin
Speaker 2: veil of excitement surrounding them, Like you could get a
Speaker 2: guy at like twenty two to twenty three that like, eh,
Speaker 2: that you're kind of luke warm on. I don't think
Speaker 2: any of those guys like if you're a Rocketstan, I
Speaker 2: don't think you're luke warm on any of these four guys.
Speaker 2: I think you're excited, like.
Speaker 1: Like they could be stars, Like they all of them
Speaker 1: have legit potential, and they're all like, Wow, I like
Speaker 1: their upside. I like their upside. A sneaky pick, a
Speaker 1: sneaky team that won is like you get rid of Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: Brooklyn gets rid of Landry Schaman on Draft night to Phoenix,
Speaker 1: which you've got to be excited about.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love it.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm It's actually kind of funny because James Jones,
Speaker 2: he always gets ripped, ripped for his draft picks, even
Speaker 2: the ones that pan out, like Cam Johnson, Like everyone
Speaker 2: hated that, and he was just like, Okay, how about
Speaker 2: we just like see not make a draft pick. But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I mean swapping twenty nine, which we all know doesn't
Speaker 2: have a whole lot of value. Javon Carter, who I like,
Speaker 2: I really like that. I'm gonna miss him in Phoenix,
Speaker 2: but he wasn't getting minutes in the playoffs. And you
Speaker 2: get a guy that has like six seventh man potential,
Speaker 2: like come off the like the bench spell, you know
Speaker 2: our guards.
Speaker 1: Who knows what happens with campaign if campaign's going to
Speaker 1: be out the door. So if he leaves, then you
Speaker 1: have somebody to come in and get some reasonable minutes
Speaker 1: right away. He has playoff experience. I really like Landry Shimant.
Speaker 1: He can fucking fill it up from three. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, another great trade for James Show.
Speaker 1: So then okay, Brooklyn gets rid of Landry Schamet and
Speaker 1: you're like, all right, well, the backcourt had some issues
Speaker 1: with injuries. We're not really sure where Joe Sai stands
Speaker 1: on Kyrie Irving. I'm sure he'll stick around, but who knows.
Speaker 1: They have to pay all these guys soon, and they
Speaker 1: get at twenty seven. Cam Thomas, my guy, Cam Thomas
Speaker 1: is gonna get some burn. He is going to be
Speaker 1: a quote unquote rising player in the middle of next
Speaker 1: year where you're gonna be like Cam Thomas is ballin'
Speaker 1: balling off the bench.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, he's gonna have a chance to, you know,
Speaker 2: sneak into one of the all rookie teams for sure.
Speaker 2: I mean, he has an argument for being the best
Speaker 2: ISO player in the entire draft. And he gets to
Speaker 2: go practice with bunch Kevin Durant and James Harden like
Speaker 2: every single day. I love it.
Speaker 1: And you know what, sometimes people get not what they want,
Speaker 1: but what they need. Like cam Thomas thought he was
Speaker 1: going to be a top fifteen guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: cam Thomas was fucking pissed last night. Yeah.
Speaker 2: During the season, he was definitely thought of as a
Speaker 2: lottery guy. He slipped in the pre draft.
Speaker 1: Process for sure, And I'm not sure why he fell
Speaker 1: so far so fast. It might have just been about
Speaker 1: like need and fit, Like, not everybody's as dumb as Sacramento, right,
Speaker 1: Not everybody's taking guards when they don't need them. Care
Speaker 1: I think meta.
Speaker 2: I think it was an interview thing and people were worried, like, oh,
Speaker 2: he doesn't below the rim guy guy, guys that don't
Speaker 2: play defense. I think you just generally have like a
Speaker 2: worry about them, like, oh, do they really care about this?
Speaker 2: And then if a guy like that then goes and
Speaker 2: doesn't perform well in interviews, then you really start thinking that.
Speaker 2: And I think that's probably what he ran into.
Speaker 1: And you know, the Brooklyn Nets don't give a fuck
Speaker 1: about guys that play defense. Yeah, they don't need to it,
Speaker 1: don't need to. Their philosophy is exactly what your philosophy,
Speaker 1: Marty would be a viewers GM. We just score thousands
Speaker 1: of points more than you, and that is what they're
Speaker 1: gonna get in Cam Thomas, and he's gonna now get
Speaker 1: to be in one of the best situations for him
Speaker 1: to grow and develop his game as a fucking bucket.
Speaker 1: I love this for him. He's not gonna get paid
Speaker 1: as much, but who cares. You're gonna go and play
Speaker 1: with Kyrie k D and James Harden. They're gonna turn
Speaker 1: you into a little monster and then they're gonna ship
Speaker 1: you out just like they did Landry Schimidt. You're gonna
Speaker 1: have a real opportunity to get some fuck star player minutes.
Speaker 1: Cam Thomas, you should be excited. You're going to Brooklyn
Speaker 1: and you're probably gonna get a ring in your first
Speaker 1: or second year Wizards. So counterintuitive, but Tommy Sheppard to me,
Speaker 1: made it easier for the Wizards to actually, how would
Speaker 1: I put this look themselves in the mirror by not
Speaker 1: trading Bradley Beal. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Once
Speaker 1: Scotti Brooks got fired, you knew that Russell Westbrook was
Speaker 1: going because this is the deal. Russell Westbrook came back
Speaker 1: from a quad injury that he really shouldn't have come
Speaker 1: back from like, he should not have gritted through that.
Speaker 1: He should not have done that, and he decided that
Speaker 1: he was going to try to do It's actually commendable
Speaker 1: what he did. I Am going to do everything that
Speaker 1: I can to get this team into the playoffs and
Speaker 1: save my favorite coach's job. And once he was not
Speaker 1: able to do that because we thought, like, oh well,
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook's timeline on his contract will play out exactly
Speaker 1: with the extension of Scottie Brooks, and then Russell Westbrook
Speaker 1: will be a free agent and will and cut ties
Speaker 1: with Scotti Brooks. And Russell Westbrook was and still is
Speaker 1: Bradley Beial's favorite teammate he's ever had. So Okay, Russell
Speaker 1: Westbrook does get them into the playoffs, they lose, and
Speaker 1: they don't save Scotty Brooks's job, and you at that
Speaker 1: point have to know it's a rap.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it felt that way.
Speaker 1: Yep. All right, so you're gonna get rid of him anyway,
Speaker 1: and now you get back the number twenty two pick
Speaker 1: Montrez Harrow, who I like, who's a young guy who
Speaker 1: can still do things. He hasn't been utilized to the
Speaker 1: best of his ability. He's only making ten million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. He ops in. You get Kuzman KCP, who
Speaker 1: aren't great, We'll say, but you can flip them. They're
Speaker 1: already looking to flip them again. And you get the
Speaker 1: number twenty two pick. Who they end up getting, Uh,
Speaker 1: who do they pick at twenty two? They got Isaiah Jackson,
Speaker 1: Yeah at that at that spot, Isaiah Todd at thirty
Speaker 1: one because they traded the number twenty two pick to
Speaker 1: Indiana for Aaron Holliday. Yeah, that's right, And they end
Speaker 1: up getting Aaron Holliday to be in the back court
Speaker 1: with Bradley Beal. Yeah.
Speaker 2: They did a bad job on the draft like broadcast
Speaker 2: by the way of explaining these shits super bad.
Speaker 1: They did like enough where I'm like, okay, I've got
Speaker 1: to now research this on my own.
Speaker 2: You got to be on Twitter, like in order to
Speaker 2: really understand what's going on. The NFL does the draft
Speaker 2: way better?
Speaker 1: They do? And then at fifteen they get Corey Kispert,
Speaker 1: who we know is going to fill in for Davis Bertons, right,
Speaker 1: Like you know that means Davias Bertons is getting moved, right,
Speaker 1: that's what you thought, right, I mean yeah, yeah, Like
Speaker 1: that's I love the draft because in if you're plugged
Speaker 1: all the way in, like there's such funny shade, like
Speaker 1: you can interpret like what that means. Like I saw
Speaker 1: the Toronto Raptors take Scottie Barnes and I'm like, whelpla
Speaker 1: Pascal Siakam.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're gonna talk about that, Matt for sure,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 1: So Corey Kisperta Joe Harris kind of guy four years again,
Speaker 1: Zaga can fill it up. He's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: get so many open threes that Davias Breton's just decided
Speaker 1: not to make. And Davas Breton's is fucking gone send
Speaker 1: him to Dallas where they want him anyway, great hair,
Speaker 1: Corey Kispert. It's a win. It's a win. So then
Speaker 1: you got Holiday Beale Kispert. I just like it. I
Speaker 1: like it. You went from a complete rebuild to like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like.
Speaker 2: Something, yeah, something you got You've got players that you
Speaker 2: can be excited about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that. I like that. Plus you've got
Speaker 1: Ruey Hutchimura. Ruey Chmur is gonna get tougher with Montrez Harrel.
Speaker 1: You know that Montres Harol will eat Ruey Hachimura for breakfast.
Speaker 1: If he doesn't get tough, like he will literally devour him.
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're gonna trade Kuzma. And now the interesting
Speaker 1: thing is that Spencer Dinwoodie wants to play with Bradley Beal.
Speaker 1: He has said, Okay, I'm willing to come here, so
Speaker 1: Aaron Holliday will be off the bench. Spencer didn he
Speaker 1: will be with Biale. And he also said, hey, I'm
Speaker 1: also gonna recruit some guys to this team. DC's a
Speaker 1: fun city district whatever. I've lived there. It's awesome if
Speaker 1: they can find some guys to come. Who knows, maybe
Speaker 1: they don't even need to trade Bradley Beal. That's an
Speaker 1: optimist point of view Pacers. I think Pacers won. I
Speaker 1: think they won just based around taking d'Arte. It was
Speaker 1: a no brainer. Warriors wanted that pick so bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they snaked the Warriors. The Warriors are now still trying
Speaker 1: to get Doorte from the Pacers. Like that's what the
Speaker 1: new news is. We'll talk about it in the loser section.
Speaker 1: They got Isaiah Jackson at twenty two, which I love
Speaker 1: because Miles Turner. That means Miles Turner's out, Like we
Speaker 1: saw that, and you're like, oh, a little more athletic
Speaker 1: than Miles turn Okay, I see what's happening. I see
Speaker 1: what's happening. Carlisle's like, get these motherfuckers out. Aaron Holliday's gone.
Speaker 1: So I like that. Uh did you like what the
Speaker 1: Pacers did getting him?
Speaker 2: I thought they were gonna take Moody.
Speaker 1: Guess not? Yeah, guess not.
Speaker 2: I like Darte is just I mean he's I mean,
Speaker 2: he's what, he's like twenty four years old, right, I
Speaker 2: like him at I like him too. That that that
Speaker 2: that's not me saying like I don't think he'll be
Speaker 2: good or he can't be good. I just thought Moody
Speaker 2: was the more upside player, but a lot of people
Speaker 2: were passing on him too, so they're for sure it
Speaker 2: must be something going on.
Speaker 1: First, I think there's something he went to pick right after, right,
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. He went to the Warriors. But now
Speaker 1: the Warriors are trying to ship Moody out too, and
Speaker 1: no one's taking him. So something's up with Moody, Something's
Speaker 1: up with Kaminga, something's up with them all right, Orlando
Speaker 1: getting sugs into their laps and them. Not all you
Speaker 1: have to do is just not fuck that up. A
Speaker 1: lot of people were scared because like you have Cole Anthony,
Speaker 1: you have Michael Carter Williams, You've got Mark mark el
Speaker 1: Foltz coming off of injury, You've got Terrence Ross. You've
Speaker 1: got a plethora of guards. And if you were a
Speaker 1: dumb person or dumb organization, which they are, you would
Speaker 1: just not take them. You would take somebody of need.
Speaker 1: And they just, oh man, I'm loving that. I love
Speaker 1: that they could have taken Fronds. I mean, who knows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, if you're picking top five, I think
Speaker 2: it's stupid to pick based on need, because if you're
Speaker 2: in the top five, you suck, so like you should
Speaker 2: unless it's like a trade, so like you you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be thinking about need. You should be thinking about who's
Speaker 2: the best player I can take that's gonna make the
Speaker 2: biggest impact. And then for a guy that I mean
Speaker 2: everyone's talking about. The biggest thing about this draft was
Speaker 2: like we knew who the top four guys were, Like,
Speaker 2: we knew who the top four guys were, and they're
Speaker 2: picking five. They're like the ones like like creeping out
Speaker 2: the window, like oh oh, that stinks. We like just
Speaker 2: missed out and then one of them just falls right
Speaker 2: in your lap. You gotta take sugs.
Speaker 1: Is gonna be right in the middle of the conversation
Speaker 1: for rookie the year it's gonna be him and paid
Speaker 1: back and forth. He's gonna get shit. I think, so
Speaker 1: shitload of minutes. And now Orlando's able to trade guys
Speaker 1: that they thought that they needed. Oh man, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be great. It changes the free agent market too, because
Speaker 1: now they get to trade guys and because there's so
Speaker 1: many point guards that are going to be available, because
Speaker 1: they have like six point guards, six guards that they
Speaker 1: can get rid of. And then they take Franz Wagner
Speaker 1: at eight, which I think is kind of gross. Uh,
Speaker 1: But there was a lot of guys there that you
Speaker 1: could have grabbed it eight you could have gotten you
Speaker 1: could have gotten Ah, what's that kid's name? Book Night
Speaker 1: at eight. I would have loved that, which was supposed
Speaker 1: to be who they were gonna take it five. So
Speaker 1: you take book Night, that would have been. You could
Speaker 1: have taken shanegon on a flyer, you could have taken
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a lot of options.
Speaker 2: Wagner is the guy who I just have the least
Speaker 2: amount of excitement like maybe in the entire draft, and
Speaker 2: like maybe it's because his brother. For sure, it's just
Speaker 2: like the Euro thing that like my brain is still
Speaker 2: just like programmed to think that those guys are going
Speaker 2: to be terrible. I just I don't know. I think
Speaker 2: he'll be.
Speaker 1: He'll be met. Yeah, he'll be met. Maybe maybe he'll
Speaker 1: be something. Maybe he'll turn into Vouch. They did. They
Speaker 1: did get Vuch, so they do know something. He's not big,
Speaker 1: Like he's not like Vucha. I'm not into it. I'm
Speaker 1: not into it. Listen, I'm trying to convince myself and
Speaker 1: I'm not into it. Oklahoma City this is why. This
Speaker 1: is why they're winners, because Oklahoma City was not intending
Speaker 1: on getting better, Like they don't want to win anytime soon.
Speaker 1: So they take Josh Giddy and then they punt. That's
Speaker 1: what you do. You take more picks. You just accumulate
Speaker 1: picks as much as you can. Them taking on Derek
Speaker 1: Favors for a future first round pick was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I know what they are now from the number one
Speaker 1: seed in the NBA this year correct, They're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: let's do this. This is what they are. They're two
Speaker 1: kinds of there's two analogies that I think of the mess.
Speaker 1: One they are the recycling scrapyard where they say, Okay,
Speaker 1: you've got a car. You got a luxury car that's
Speaker 1: just a little too a little too expensive, a money suck.
Speaker 1: Pay us to take that car, and we're either gonna
Speaker 1: fix that car up or we're gonna sell it off
Speaker 1: for parts and get picks in return for it. Oh,
Speaker 1: you got a two thousand and eight LR two cost
Speaker 1: me a little bit too much to maintain. We'll take
Speaker 1: it off your hands. Just give us six thousand dollars
Speaker 1: and we'll turn that baby around for another six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Or Another analogy that I have is that they're like
Speaker 1: the guy who has no interest in actually going on
Speaker 1: any dates, don't want to pay for any dates, but
Speaker 1: they just want phone numbers. They just want to put
Speaker 1: like a whole sticky notes on their wall of all
Speaker 1: the phone numbers that they accumulate, girls that they could have,
Speaker 1: like girls that they if they wanted, they could date,
Speaker 1: and then they sell those phone numbers to other people
Speaker 1: for more phone numbers, like they don't actually want. They
Speaker 1: don't actually want to date anyone ever. They never want
Speaker 1: to get married. They just want numbers and the potential
Speaker 1: for more numbers. That's them. Do you get what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I get what you said. Yeah, I mean they just
Speaker 2: keep At some.
Speaker 1: Point, they've got to like want.
Speaker 2: To win, right, I mean, they're playing they're playing a
Speaker 2: super long game. They're doing exactly what the like Sixers
Speaker 2: did and what kind of Phoenix did, but they're doing
Speaker 2: it to like a way bigger extent, just accumulating assets
Speaker 2: and uh yeah, and they're talking about trading Shay too.
Speaker 1: Like yes, by the way, Shae was another one of
Speaker 1: the the Mitch cup Check drafts. By the way, he
Speaker 1: picked him up. That was a Charlotte Hornet draft pick. Yes, sir, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was traded to a place that was traded to
Speaker 1: La Clippers and then to and then to Yeah, gotcha. Anyway, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just don't ever want to be good. They don't
Speaker 1: they have to. They're gonna trade Shaye because they don't
Speaker 1: want to be good. So I mean they're gonna be
Speaker 1: good in like twenty thirty five, they changed the NBA
Speaker 1: changed the rules because they were literally like, give us
Speaker 1: your twenty forty five first Router, Like they're like, dude,
Speaker 1: we don't even know if the if the planet will
Speaker 1: be available then, like we're not even sure global warming
Speaker 1: and dinosaurs and like COVID, we're gonna get like the
Speaker 1: COVID zebra variant by the time Oklahoma City's any good.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. It is crazy. But that's them winning. That's
Speaker 1: them being winners. Let's talk about losers. Man, the calves,
Speaker 1: So let's just go through them. I've got calves, kings, raptors, sixers, warriors.
Speaker 1: Do you agree, uh, calves?
Speaker 2: Maybe, I'm not like, I'll tell you what. Ok, all right,
Speaker 2: let's hear it. Raptors one percent.
Speaker 1: That's one of the worst picks that I can imagine remembering. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that was like Massi massaia, is MASSI leaving?
Speaker 1: I'm like, is MASSI trying to fuck the raptors? Like?
Speaker 2: Since, that's the worst I felt about a top five
Speaker 2: pick since back, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was like, Wow, I guess they're keeping lowry.
Speaker 1: That's all I could think of, is like, you have
Speaker 1: to be keeping loud. Who else are you going to get?
Speaker 1: Has to be what it is. It's like a six
Speaker 1: Like I don't know so, okay, Calves. This is the
Speaker 1: reason that it's bad. The Calves took Mobili, which everyone
Speaker 1: knew was like part of that top four, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everyone thought that they would do it. But here's
Speaker 1: the problem. As Chris Fiedor said, there was some incorrect
Speaker 1: chatter about the Calves meeting with and working out Evan
Speaker 1: Mobley prior to the draft. Kobe Altman said that this
Speaker 1: was a unique process and they never had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to talk to Evan Mobley or work him out at
Speaker 1: all during the pre draft process. They never spoke with
Speaker 1: or met with their first round pick. I would say
Speaker 1: that's not great, especially given the fact that the Warriors
Speaker 1: were willing to give you the seven and the fourteen,
Speaker 1: and probably Wiseman, who's we know what he is compared
Speaker 1: to Mobile. We know at least he has gotten some
Speaker 1: NBA minutes and probably Wiggins for that pick and some things, right,
Speaker 1: and you've got Jared Allen, who you love, that's gonna
Speaker 1: ask for the tune of one hundred and ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: So the fit's not there. The love's not there, Like
Speaker 1: I mean not, I'm talking about vin Well. That's not
Speaker 1: even a pun. Like the love be. He didn't even
Speaker 1: want to fucking meet with you. He didn't want to
Speaker 1: work out for you, he didn't want to meet with you,
Speaker 1: and you just picked him anyway because you're like, because
Speaker 1: you fucking have to come here.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean I think that's silly to pass
Speaker 2: on guys because they didn't work out there.
Speaker 1: Try to trade for it. Try to try to trade
Speaker 1: that pick if he doesn't want to meet with you,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of value. People are saying that
Speaker 1: Evan Mobley could be one of the blah blah blah
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blahs. You know what I mean, that's
Speaker 1: the I mean, that's the Sacramento mentality. That's why they
Speaker 1: took badly because he's the only one that worked out
Speaker 1: with him and wanted to meet with him. That's why
Speaker 1: they took him over Luca. I don't necessarily agree with
Speaker 1: you that that's a reason to not take a guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see, But I think needs there as well, Like
Speaker 1: what do you do now with Jared Allen? I think
Speaker 1: Mobley's ceiling is much higher than Jared Allen's. As much
Speaker 1: as I liked here, so does Jared Allen now get
Speaker 1: traded sign and trade.
Speaker 2: I mean probably not. You're probably gonna see what you
Speaker 2: have with both of them. Yeah, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to win this year.
Speaker 1: No they're not. Yeah, they're not trying to win. They're
Speaker 1: like a word. I mean, they're a worse version of
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City. They have no ability to like accumulate picks
Speaker 1: except for the lottery that they're in. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't trust anything that they do.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no. Of course this isn't me saying like, oh,
Speaker 2: they were like really strategic and like shrewd during this draft.
Speaker 2: But I think taking Mobley at three was the right call.
Speaker 1: I think if you could get but seven and seven
Speaker 1: and fourteen or t Sugs and trade fucking Colin Sexton's
Speaker 1: little bull ass and move out. I like Sugs more
Speaker 1: than I like Mobile. If you have Jared Allen, but
Speaker 1: I know you've said that he's more upside, but like
Speaker 1: if you all have, if you only have YouTube on
Speaker 1: this guy, he's not even willing to answer his phone.
Speaker 1: I just don't know. Cleveland, Cleveland, Cleveland, King's King's doing
Speaker 1: King's things consistently. Kings, Kings, you are trash. You are
Speaker 1: so bad. You are so bad at everything that you do.
Speaker 1: Everything you do. Just when you pull me in and
Speaker 1: I think maybe you're changing, you do the thing that
Speaker 1: you're known to do. You got Tyreee Taliburt. And I'm like, okay, yes,
Speaker 1: you're telling me you're getting rid of Marvin Bagley. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you're saying, hey, we want to get
Speaker 1: rid of Luke Walton, but we just can't right now. Okay,
Speaker 1: You're gonna movedy buddy heel because he's making too much money. Okay,
Speaker 1: You like, Where'shawn Holmes? You got out bid? You got
Speaker 1: out bid. You like Rareshaun Holmes best roller in the league. Okay.
Speaker 1: And then you take Davion Mitchell, who is six feet
Speaker 1: tall at the very most, when you have Fox and
Speaker 1: Halliburton and Healed and Harrison Barns and you don't need them.
Speaker 2: No, And then like that's not even a guy that
Speaker 2: you could call like a combo guard that could play.
Speaker 2: But he's he's a point guard. He can't defend anyone
Speaker 2: other than the shortest guy on the team. Like he's
Speaker 2: he's a one, and he.
Speaker 1: Is a one. Yeah, and you already have another couple
Speaker 1: of ones like Tyree's Halliburton is a.
Speaker 2: One like your two biggest Yeah yeah, your two biggest
Speaker 2: pieces are like ones that could like maybe passes combo guards.
Speaker 2: But like this, you draft someone that's like locked into
Speaker 2: that position.
Speaker 1: And so what are you planning on doing? Are you
Speaker 1: planning on starting or or playing dag On Mitchell off
Speaker 1: the bench? When you had you had book Night right there, you.
Speaker 2: Had right like if you wanted to go guard, you
Speaker 2: like fucked up until like.
Speaker 1: Yeah this guard right take Zire Williams maybe take. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just don't understand. It just does not unless you're
Speaker 1: fucking getting rid of Fox and we don't even know
Speaker 1: about it. Then that's I don't understand. Why would you
Speaker 1: get rid of Fox? I don't know they yet what
Speaker 1: you're doing. It like what you're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean they're just they're absolutely morons. They
Speaker 2: just say they don't know what they're doing. That's the
Speaker 2: most maybe in all of sports, just the most run
Speaker 2: down franchise.
Speaker 1: It just doesn't. I mean, you're just like make it
Speaker 1: make sense. Apparently also earlier in that day they turned
Speaker 1: down or earlier earlier in the week, excuse me, they
Speaker 1: turned down getting rid of Bagley for fucking Yonas Valentunis.
Speaker 1: They could have just given up that nine pick, which
Speaker 1: let's say they already did. They punted on nine by
Speaker 1: taking Davion Mitchell. But you could have had Jonas Valentinis
Speaker 1: and left Marvin Bagley by the wayside, which you know
Speaker 1: he doesn't even want to be there, and they passed
Speaker 1: up on that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't hear about Tom and.
Speaker 1: You would had seventeen and Yonis Valentunis, and you probably
Speaker 1: would have gotten the same exact guy. Davian Mitchell might
Speaker 1: have been there at seventeen. What are you fucking doing, Raptors,
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Raptors, what are you doing? Why
Speaker 1: would you pass on Suggs? What the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1: I was so shocked. I know that that was chatter
Speaker 1: about them liking long athletic versatil guys that could switch everything.
Speaker 1: I know that's a thing in Toronto. But like Suggs
Speaker 1: is the guy you lucked your way into four by
Speaker 1: having a tremendously awful year in Tampa Bay in a
Speaker 1: COVID year, and the ping pong balls rewarded you for
Speaker 1: all of those Tampa Bay fans booing you at your
Speaker 1: home games and you take Scotty fucking Barnes. Scotty Barnes,
Speaker 1: who is the second coming of Ben Simmons.
Speaker 2: I mean, like they'd be lucky if he turns into that.
Speaker 2: It's just uh yeah, I mean, you've got Sugs right there,
Speaker 2: who's as polished as a nineteen year old could be.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get Really, I meant, like A said, I've
Speaker 2: already said, it's the most shocked I've been for a
Speaker 2: top five pick since Badley, Like, you've got the guy
Speaker 2: that you never thought was gonna be there. Well, I mean,
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got the guy that's right there that
Speaker 2: everyone was slotted that like you shouldn't. It was just
Speaker 2: so obvious who to pick, and they just blew it.
Speaker 1: Like to me, that means that there's an issue between
Speaker 1: Nick Nurse and MASSI, because I don't think Nick Nurse
Speaker 1: wants a guy that can't shoot. Nick Nurse has written
Speaker 1: an entire book about shooting. He's not gonna want this project.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it just it doesn't make sense from
Speaker 2: a basketball standpoint, It doesn't make sense from a roster
Speaker 2: construction standpoint. It just I would love to hear whoever
Speaker 2: had final call, really defend it and just see what
Speaker 2: they say.
Speaker 1: Tell me what you say?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: And at that point, like you must really hate Pascal Siakam.
Speaker 1: There must really be something with him in the locker
Speaker 1: room and Nick Nurse because he must have to go.
Speaker 1: I don't think they play together. People on Twitter were like, Tristy,
Speaker 1: you're a fucking idiot. They can play together? Can they
Speaker 1: play together? I don't know? Can they? You have? You
Speaker 1: have a point guard problem? Kyle Lowry? Are they Are
Speaker 1: they gonna keep Kyle? I don't know. Are they gonna
Speaker 1: keep Kyle Lowry? Thirty seven years old? He's gonna get
Speaker 1: thirty million? Are they just gonna give him like a
Speaker 1: thank you for your service thirty million, three three year
Speaker 1: deal for ninety five million?
Speaker 2: This free agency is gonna be so juicy, so juicy.
Speaker 1: Also, if they do keep Kyle Lowry, Pelicans, what are
Speaker 1: you up to? What are you gonna do now? I
Speaker 1: can't wait. You're gonna end up with Josh Hard again
Speaker 1: and Lonzo Ball and be back in the same spot Sixers.
Speaker 1: You couldn't trade Ben Simmons and for that you have failed. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and for that you have failed. I promise you the
Speaker 1: Raptors love Scottie Barnes. That means they probably love That
Speaker 1: means they probably love Ben Simmons. What do you do then,
Speaker 1: Like you probably could have gotten that number four pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Maybe if they're taking Scottie Barnes right at four and
Speaker 1: you say, hey, do you think Scotty Barnes has a
Speaker 1: better upside than Ben Simmons, They're gonna say no, he's
Speaker 1: an all star right now, okay, and we'll give you
Speaker 1: a Kyle Lowry for on a signage, Like maybe you
Speaker 1: give him the rights. I know you can't trade Kyle
Speaker 1: Lowry right now because it's like rules. But maybe you
Speaker 1: trade Passcal Siakam for Ben Simmons and the number four pick.
Speaker 1: And now you've got a guy who can shoot in
Speaker 1: Suggs and you got Passcal Siakam. That would be a
Speaker 1: hell of a deal. If you're this, if you're Darryl Moray,
Speaker 1: you do that deal? Do you not? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably? I mean I mean I did. I think they're
Speaker 2: talking to just about everybody. And if you know, if
Speaker 2: the deal's not there, the deal's not there. It's such
Speaker 2: a it's such a weird thing. I have no problem
Speaker 2: with them being in the losers because it just doesn't
Speaker 2: seem like they really know what to do with them.
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do with Ben. And they
Speaker 1: also didn't really do much to get a guard. I like,
Speaker 1: it's okay, but like they need someone that's a bucket now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everybody's going after Lowry and it's like, who there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people who aren't gonna get them. You
Speaker 1: can only play for one team, right uh? Colden State
Speaker 1: fam all of the news, all of the news pre
Speaker 1: draft was Draymond, Draymond, Steph and Clay all got together
Speaker 1: and they said, hey, please don't take any guys in
Speaker 1: this draft. Please get us someone who can contribute right away.
Speaker 1: We need some help. We don't need guys who are eighteen,
Speaker 1: nineteen years old. We are in our thirties, we have
Speaker 1: already won championships. We are not in the mood. We're
Speaker 1: not in the mood to develop anyone new. We need
Speaker 1: to win now. And instead of trading those picks, they
Speaker 1: take some suspect ask guys Kaminga at seven and Moses
Speaker 1: Moodya at fourteen. And now they're lying to us. Now
Speaker 1: they're lying. Now they're lying to us this is the
Speaker 1: Warriors are still saying that they're The Warriors are still
Speaker 1: this reporting says that they're still actively trying to acquire
Speaker 1: Chris Dwarte, according to J. Michael from the Indie Star League,
Speaker 1: sources tell Indie Sports that the Warriors are trying to
Speaker 1: get the Pacers to part ways with Dwarte offering Moody
Speaker 1: plus other assets. They're not budging right now. D'warte was
Speaker 1: the pick that they wanted to top of their board,
Speaker 1: and the Warriors are saying that wasn't true. We didn't
Speaker 1: want him, we didn't want Dowarte. The fact that he
Speaker 1: wasn't there, Moses Moody, even if Doortay was there, we
Speaker 1: were have taken Moses Moody no matter what. And it's
Speaker 1: like that's a lie. That is a lie. And then
Speaker 1: in the middle of the draft there were talks that
Speaker 1: they were trying, first of all, all the way down
Speaker 1: to like the end of the clock, Golden State was trying,
Speaker 1: you could tell, trying to move number seven, trying to
Speaker 1: move number seven, trying to move number fourteen. It's like
Speaker 1: thirty seconds left in the clock. That take kaminga because
Speaker 1: they think, in my opinion, they think Kaminga has value
Speaker 1: as a trade piece like two days from now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean definitely the biggest trade value there just because
Speaker 1: of his upside. Right, So then they try to move
Speaker 1: them midway through the draft with fourteen and with blah
Speaker 1: blah blah to maybe somebody at eight or nine to
Speaker 1: slide in, and they can't do that, then they try
Speaker 1: to move Moses Moody. Nobody's taken a like the Warriors
Speaker 1: are I think for who they are, Like Sacramento is
Speaker 1: a big loser, but they're always a loser. Like we
Speaker 1: think that the Warriors should be back into contention and
Speaker 1: maybe Kaminga. Everybody online is mad to all the Golden
Speaker 1: State Warriors beat reporters. This is fucking free Steph. He's
Speaker 1: fucking in prison. They just want step to be Batman
Speaker 1: all the time and do all these heroics and then
Speaker 1: be in the eight seed playing in the play and
Speaker 1: tournament again, Like this is fucked, This is fucked.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you have to imagine they're moving one
Speaker 2: or more of these guys. I mean, I mean there's
Speaker 2: no way that they're gonna have Moody, Kaminga, and Wiseman
Speaker 2: all getting minutes next year.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess they may, but that that just
Speaker 2: does not seem like something that they shouldn't keep doing.
Speaker 1: Your mood is exactly like Miami. I mean, yeah, could
Speaker 1: add book Night, didn't draft him, could have had have
Speaker 1: reached for Dwarte, didn't. Bob Myers said this after the draft, Well,
Speaker 1: obviously we have to also add through free agency. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to also get some older guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: you fucking think Bob Myers leagues ahead, leagues ahead the
Speaker 1: world the world is. I said this on Twitter today.
Speaker 1: Yesterday is maybe the day where we all step back
Speaker 1: and say, I think we need to reevaluate how good
Speaker 1: Bob Myers is.
Speaker 2: I mean, I've always thought that. I knew when he
Speaker 2: said that that was the most obnoxious and stupid quote
Speaker 2: of all time when he said, Oh, as a front office,
Speaker 2: we're leagues ahead. Okay, yeah, you got lucky because the
Speaker 2: cap was weird one year, you were able to sign
Speaker 2: the best player in the league to add to two time,
Speaker 2: then one two. But like a team that had been
Speaker 2: to the finals two straight years, and yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: your leagues ahead. You just figured it out, you shifted everything.
Speaker 1: Just no fuck off, like you signed Kevin Durant, which,
Speaker 1: let's be honest, that's a Jerry West thing. You didn't
Speaker 1: move Klay Thompson even though you wanted to. Joe lacub
Speaker 1: and you wanted to move Klay Thompson, and Jerry West
Speaker 1: was like, hold on them, don't do that. Don't do
Speaker 1: we don't want Kevin Love. Don't do that. Yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: So what have you done since he's left? Not much,
Speaker 1: not a fucking thing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I have a tweet going back the day Ryan McDonald
Speaker 2: was fired. I tweet. I haven't seen it a long time,
Speaker 2: but I tweeted if Bob Myers wanted the GM job
Speaker 2: right now, I wouldn't give it to him.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Yep. Twenty eighteen eighteen surprises Josh Primo at twelve.
Speaker 1: We talked about him having a huge upside, but also
Speaker 1: I would say not that much upside, not twelve.
Speaker 2: That twelve twelve is high. I mean, that's that's a
Speaker 2: Cam Johnson level reach, which I mean that panned out,
Speaker 2: but so this one, yeah, I mean, I'm not saying
Speaker 2: it won't, but that, Yeah, that shocked me.
Speaker 1: Shocked me. That was just about as shocking as as
Speaker 1: the Raptors not taking Jalen sucks. It was like very close.
Speaker 1: It was like the next shot most shocking thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, where I was like, what with less implications, But yeah, no,
Speaker 2: I was. I was shocked.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like the Spurs do things
Speaker 1: that I have no idea about, and then they work
Speaker 1: out like they got to Jonte Murray at what like
Speaker 1: twenty seven and twenty eight, they got Derek White was late.
Speaker 1: They know how to draft, they do and at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, like, I'm not as good as
Speaker 1: RC Buford and I'm just gonna punt, Like whereas the
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings don't get any grace, right, San Antonio Spurs
Speaker 1: get a lot of grace.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Jared Butler to the Jazz at forty also huge surprise.
Speaker 1: Jazz might have gotten the steal in the draft.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's a guy that that there had
Speaker 2: to be something going around and it was pre drafts.
Speaker 1: So basically he has a heart condition, right, has a
Speaker 1: heart condition, but he got cleared. And then once he
Speaker 1: got cleared, but he had that heart condition, there was
Speaker 1: additional medical testing that needed to happen as a part
Speaker 1: of that whole thing. And then through that medical testing
Speaker 1: that it was revealed that there were some knee issues,
Speaker 1: so he ended up falling significantly. But I think this
Speaker 1: might be one of the best spots for him to go.
Speaker 1: Jazz needs some guard play. They have some issues with
Speaker 1: the cap. They're going to move some players out. He's
Speaker 1: going to get some playing time. He's going to get
Speaker 1: into the Jordan Clarkson style role and be able to
Speaker 1: develop without any pressure. Number one team in the NBA
Speaker 1: last year, and now he gets to be on that
Speaker 1: squad that has good culture. So I like that. We
Speaker 1: talked about Cam Thomas already. Iowed de soon moved to
Speaker 1: the Bulls at thirty eight. Another guy that fell like
Speaker 1: twenty twelve to fifteen spots lower than I think he
Speaker 1: wanted and what anyone thought. He has a lot of upside.
Speaker 1: We talked about that. I like that a guy from
Speaker 1: you in the University of Illinois playing for Chicago from Chicago.
Speaker 1: I love that, huh. Where Like Kobe White is probably
Speaker 1: out another four to six months with the torn labram,
Speaker 1: the Bulls are going to use him right away. I
Speaker 1: think it's a great spot for him.
Speaker 2: You agree, Yeah, No, yeah, I definitely like it, especially
Speaker 2: with Kobe White. Yeah, his I don't want to say
Speaker 2: his future in jeopardy, but his season a little we
Speaker 2: called his future.
Speaker 1: I think his future is in jeopardy. I don't think
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bulls particularly like Kobe White. They didn't really.
Speaker 1: They benched him earlier in the season, like he turns
Speaker 1: the ball over, he's an erratic decision maker. I don't
Speaker 1: think Chicago particularly likes him. I think that if iod
Speaker 1: De soon MoU ends up being a better player than
Speaker 1: Kobe White's gonna find himself in trouble. I think he's
Speaker 1: going to find himself in real trade risk certainly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I like the pit.
Speaker 1: Let's get into some news around the league. Man, this
Speaker 1: is how you know the team USA. The powers that
Speaker 1: be are the most crotchety, stick up their ass old
Speaker 1: school fuckers. I mean, we're way worse than Europe, way worse.
Speaker 1: They love themselves some fundamental basketball boy. Remember this. Remember
Speaker 1: when Trey Young tweeted that thing out. It was the
Speaker 1: Isaiah Thomas Gift or meet whatever video where it was
Speaker 1: like I met the criteria to be selected, but I wasn't.
Speaker 1: When basically Bradley Beal got COVID and then had to
Speaker 1: be off a Team USA and they chose someone to
Speaker 1: step in and also Kevin Love left, so they picked
Speaker 1: JaVale McGee and Kelden Johnson, and Trey Young's like, Yo,
Speaker 1: where is my Team USA invite? Yeah? Unreal move. So
Speaker 1: they asked Jerry Colangelo about this and guess what, Marty,
Speaker 1: what do you think? He said, I'm sorry with a
Speaker 1: bad move.
Speaker 2: No, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Doubled fucking down. He said, I'm happy that Trey wants
Speaker 1: to play for USA basketball. We had him in one
Speaker 1: of our camps. We know him in USA basketball. He's
Speaker 1: done really well in the NBA, but predicated on what
Speaker 1: we felt we needed, he just didn't fit the bill
Speaker 1: this time around. He's a young player, has a future
Speaker 1: with Team USA Basketball. But it was the opinion of
Speaker 1: our staff, by the way, Staph, Steve Kerr, Lloyd Pierce,
Speaker 1: we'll get back to that that he wasn't a fit
Speaker 1: for now. It's for others to make the declare the
Speaker 1: declaration that you made a mistake. Man. Wow. Okay, So
Speaker 1: remember Steve Kerr earlier this year said what Trey Young
Speaker 1: does is not basketball? Remember that? Yeah, they played I
Speaker 1: think Steve Nash said it too. They played there, was
Speaker 1: like a lot of chatter about Trey Young initiating contact
Speaker 1: and getting a lot of bullshit.
Speaker 2: Calls, which is the only thing that they're talking about,
Speaker 2: because it pisses them off that he stops short and
Speaker 2: gets all those foul calls. They're just mad about it.
Speaker 1: They're just like mad. It's like literally your salty. The
Speaker 1: Tray Young is so little and continues to fucking cook
Speaker 1: you no matter what you do. He remors, he throws, loves,
Speaker 1: throws floaters. You can't stop them, step backs. He's too little.
Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do. And you're like, fuck Tray Young,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be on our team. Take your own ball,
Speaker 1: go home. That is shitty. That is shitty to Tray Young.
Speaker 1: It's obvious. So then Colangelo said more things. Uh, he
Speaker 1: was not done, not by a long shot. He took
Speaker 1: the opportunity to also bust toss Kevin Love's ball handling skills.
Speaker 1: He was asked if Love was a mistake to add
Speaker 1: to Team USA roster, and oh boy, he did not
Speaker 1: hold back. He said, I didn't think Kevin Love was
Speaker 1: gonna play. I wasn't even sure he had much left
Speaker 1: to play. He reached out to us, and he said
Speaker 1: he was in shape and he felt he owed us.
Speaker 1: And on the basis of that, well, you know, being
Speaker 1: like a twelfth man on the roster. Well it didn't
Speaker 1: work out. He wasn't in shape and he was way behind,
Speaker 1: as it turns out. So you move on. You call
Speaker 1: it a mistake, call it giving someone an opportunity, someone
Speaker 1: who had existing equity with us. Guys who play for
Speaker 1: us get a little plus. So fat ask Kevin Love
Speaker 1: was apparently a mistake in Jerry Clangelow's mind. And now
Speaker 1: an untradable asset just gets kicked in the mouth again.
Speaker 1: But Trey Young, Trey Young doesn't deserve a shot, just
Speaker 1: Kevin Love does. Ugh, Ugh Gross Gross. Finally, someone in
Speaker 1: authority has given us some information on Kawhi. Clipper's president
Speaker 1: Lawrence Frank just came out and gave a fairly dire
Speaker 1: account of Kuhi's injury. He said, this, Kawhi Leonard's recovery
Speaker 1: is going to take a great deal of time. Right now.
Speaker 1: Our focus is on his health. He had major surgery,
Speaker 1: he tore his acl It's going to require a great
Speaker 1: deal of time and even more support. Major surgery. Not
Speaker 1: this was a partial ACL taar, but it wasn't a
Speaker 1: partial ACL tear, if that makes sense. Like some partial
Speaker 1: ACL tears require surgery and some Don'tawi is gonna be
Speaker 1: out for a long time. This was full ACL construction.
Speaker 1: Lawrence Frank also reiterated that the team wants the relationship
Speaker 1: to last a very long time. I don't know, Marty,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I think he'll probably
Speaker 1: come in and opt that. Do you opt in?
Speaker 2: You could do a lot. I mean yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: I think if you're.
Speaker 1: Smart person, you opted. He might finesse the Clippers into
Speaker 1: giving him like a five year deal, or he's gonna
Speaker 1: bounce in free agency or something. I don't know. Kawhi
Speaker 1: Leonard has way more power than he deserves. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I agree, way way more. He's good, but not diva good.
Speaker 1: Only so many players are diva good. Almost none, almost none. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That's all the time that we have for this lead podcast.
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Speaker 1: States has a massive game coming up this Saturday morning
Speaker 1: at eight am. They played Czech Republic. If they lose
Speaker 1: that game, they are fucking out out. They are all
Speaker 1: the way out, and you know what, as someone who
Speaker 1: wants a fucking vacation, fingers crossed, baby, fingers crossed. All right, Marty,
Speaker 1: that's all the time we got. Let's uh, let's end
Speaker 1: this thing.