1 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,120 Speaker 1: The only place for a man in the sex business 2 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: is paying for it. 3 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: Heidi Flies, America is a casino. You can be up 4 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,599 Speaker 2: one night, down the next, then back up again, and 5 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: then with just one bad hand, lose it all. Despite 6 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: the myth that this country is a meritocracy where anyone 7 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 2: can work their way up, we all know that the 8 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: rich are born with the chips up, and that the 9 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 2: only way for anyone else to get ahead is to 10 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 2: game the system. At the height of her power, nobody 11 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 2: plays the game better than Heidi Flies. The Heidi Fly 12 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,760 Speaker 2: Saga is a classic American story about one of the 13 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 2: greatest hustlers of all time. But unlike the hustlers in 14 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: movies like Goodfellas or Casino, Hidie never killed anybody. All 15 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 2: she did was dare to broke her sex work. Welcome 16 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 2: to Heidi World, the Heidi Fly Story and the Secret 17 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 2: History of LA I'm your host, Mollie Lambert, and I 18 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,960 Speaker 2: will be your guide through Los Angeles high and Low. 19 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: In the nineteen nineties, the world was captivated by Heidi Flies, 20 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 2: the twenty seven year old woman who briefly and memorably 21 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 2: became the most powerful madam in Los Angeles before she 22 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: was brought down by a combination of snitches, hubris, and 23 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: plain old bad luck. The scandal enveloped a major movie 24 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: studio when employees were alleged to have bought sex from 25 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 2: Heidie's girls using checks from the studio. Her trial threatened 26 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,639 Speaker 2: to lay bare the depths of moral hypocrisy in LA 27 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: among the super wealthy law enforcement agencies and the entertainment industry. 28 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: But instead, Heidi was made a pariah and suffered the 29 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: only consequences of the scandal as the men who bought 30 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: sex from her went back to their lives and sometimes 31 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 2: even got promotions. 32 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: Put it this way, the person Heidi that people talk 33 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: about in the history of time, no one did what 34 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: she did in one year. No one. When I was 35 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: twenty five, I went out on my own. I said, 36 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: fuck all of them all. Show them how to do 37 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: things right with integrity and treat girls like their girls, 38 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: not force the girl to do something she doesn't want 39 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 1: to do. I never once solicited a person. I never 40 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: once pushed drugs upon a person. I've always told people, 41 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: never sell out. Only do something you want to do. 42 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,760 Speaker 1: If you're ever in an uncomfortable situation, whatever it is, 43 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: get out you're a person with rights, you never have 44 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: to do anything. 45 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: Heidi World will follow Heidi Flights from her earliest days 46 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: as a young Jewish girl in Los Phelis running a 47 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 2: babysitting ring at her high school, through her party girl 48 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 2: dropout years on the hair Metal Sunset Strip. We'll introduce 49 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 2: you to memorable characters like Madame Alex, the woman who 50 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 2: ran the world of high class prostitution in Beverly Hills 51 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 2: for years and showed Heidi the ropes, then got busted 52 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: and accused Heidie of stealing her business and little black 53 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 2: book of clientele, battling Heidi for years in what she 54 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 2: called the Whore Wars. We'll also go over the varying 55 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: rachamon like accounts of what really took place with that 56 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: little Black book. We'll get into evil boyfriend's, abusive John's, 57 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 2: corrupt police and legal hypocrisy. We'll explore how the invention 58 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: of twenty four hour court TV coincided with the media 59 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 2: circus of several big LA trials in the nineties, including 60 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: the oj Simpson trial, the Menendez Brothers trial, and the 61 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: Heidi Fly's trial. We'll talk about how we are still 62 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 2: feeling the after effects of the profound shift in the 63 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: way news is covered and prioritized in what we all 64 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: now know as the content cycle. And of course we 65 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: will get into Heidi's line of vanity sleepwear Heidiwear. At 66 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:38,359 Speaker 2: its heart, the Heidi Fly scandal is a Los Angeles story. 67 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: There's so much local history that runs through it. Many 68 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 2: of the major players are second generation LA kids whose 69 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: parents were notable local figures in entertainment and loss of 70 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: other industries. It's like a Russian novel about a family 71 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 2: in a particular place at a very specific time. Some 72 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 2: of the people involved in the scandal are dead, which 73 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: means we can talk openly about them. Some of them 74 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: are very much still alive, some even still working in Hollywood. 75 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 2: Some are even portrayed by Bradley Cooper in the Paul 76 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: Thomas Anderson movie Licorice Pizza. In the same spirit as 77 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,679 Speaker 2: Licorice Pizza, I have made the casting of Heidi World 78 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: a family affair, casting my own father as doctor Paul 79 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 2: Flie and my brother is in this podcast, as well 80 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 2: as a voice cast of nearly hundreds of notable podcasters, 81 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: directors playing other directors, and more fun cameos. All of 82 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 2: the quotes you will hear are sourced from contemporary media 83 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 2: that came out while the scandal was happening, things like magazines, 84 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 2: TV segments, books, and newspapers. Heidi Flice is voiced throughout 85 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: Heidi World by actress Annie Hamilton. 86 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: Looks are only a head start. You do not have 87 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: to be classically beautiful to get the man you want. 88 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: An average looking woman who is confident, happy, and slightly 89 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,479 Speaker 1: reserved is way more appealing to a man than a 90 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: dumb girl with a nice ass. 91 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: Along the way, we'll use Heidi's story to make the 92 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 2: argument for why sex work must be decriminalized and discuss 93 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: the horrifying way sex workers have been pushed even further 94 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: to the margins since this story happened. Thanks largely to 95 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: pressure from the extreme right, but also centrists and clueless Libdems, 96 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: there has been a concentrated agenda in recent years to 97 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: conflate consensual sex work with sex trafficking. This is the 98 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: movement behind Cesta Fausta, a set of laws passed in 99 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen that were ostensibly aimed at eradicating internet sex trafficking, 100 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: but in reality we're purposely designed to deplatform and shadow 101 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 2: band sex workers on the few online outlets where they 102 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: could safely still do their jobs and earn a study income. 103 00:06:56,920 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 2: Why are people so obsessed with keeping sex work criminal 104 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 2: because go with me here. If it was decriminalized, those 105 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: people couldn't find ways to profit off of it being criminalized. 106 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: It's too threatening to the powers that be when sex 107 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: workers control the means of production. Heidiflies herself is no 108 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: longer in the sex work business. She runs a bird sanctuary, 109 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: a private airfield, and a laundromat in Parump, Nevada, after 110 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 2: a failed attempt at opening a brothel for women there 111 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: called the stud Farm. Right now, she's considering leaving Nevada 112 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 2: for Missouri after someone shot a bb gun at one 113 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: of her exotic birds. She's also embroiled in a fight 114 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: over cryptocurrency with a former friend, and eventually we will 115 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 2: get into all of that too, But first we have 116 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: to go back to the very beginning to Heidi's childhood 117 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 2: in Los Felis. This is Heidi World, Chapter one, an 118 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: La Store. How Heidi Fleich's family came to be and 119 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 2: how one car accident changed them forever the nineteen seventies. 120 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,160 Speaker 1: I was born and raised in La My dad was 121 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: a famous pediatrician. When he died, they donated a bench 122 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: to him at the Griffith Park Observatory. I goten in 123 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:26,680 Speaker 1: big trouble. I felt shitty about that. Dad gave me 124 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: really the best childhood possible and all of the opportunity 125 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,079 Speaker 1: in front of me. I wish that I took school 126 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: seriously and won a different route. But it was not 127 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: my father's fault at all. 128 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: Just love him. They can't love your kids too much. 129 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: Paul Fleisch, pediatrician. 130 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 2: When Heidi World returns, meet the Fly's family and learn 131 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: about her doctor father's New Age beliefs and connection to 132 00:08:56,800 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 2: Leonardo DiCaprio. Welcome back to Heidie World. Let's meet the 133 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 2: Fly's family. Shall we? Our story begins in the La 134 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 2: neighborhood of Los Phelis. Paul Flice is a Jewish American 135 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 2: pediatrician who runs his practice out of a craftsman house 136 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 2: on Hillhurst, which is still there and was most recently 137 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,319 Speaker 2: an ice cream shop called Amplehill's Creamery. Paul Flice is 138 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 2: a beloved local doctor known for treating the rich and 139 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: poor alike, but he also becomes known as a pediatrician 140 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 2: to the stars in his own way. Paul Flice is 141 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 2: also a bit of a hustler himself. He trains in 142 00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 2: Detroit as an osteopath and pharmacist. In nineteen sixty two, 143 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:53,719 Speaker 2: California passes a law that allows osteopaths to convert their 144 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 2: degrees into MD's, and he moves to La to take 145 00:09:57,280 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: advantage of it. While osteopaths are generalists, the MD allows 146 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: Flies to choose a specialty, and he goes into pediatric medicine, 147 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: becoming a resident at USC Medical Center in LA. A 148 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 2: friend introduces Paul to a hippie school teacher named Alyssa Ash. 149 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 2: They fall in love instantly in or wed within the year. 150 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 2: A few months after that, one of Alyssa's underage sisters 151 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: gets pregnant. Alyssa and Paul offer to take in the baby, 152 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 2: whose name is Kim. The next year, one of Paul's 153 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 2: sisters becomes fatally ill, and the couple agree to adopt 154 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: her young daughter, Amy as well. Alisa then gives birth 155 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,199 Speaker 2: to Paul's child in nineteen sixty five, a girl they 156 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: name Heidi Lynn Flice. 157 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: I am one of six kids. I describe my parents 158 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: as intellectual hippies, but minus the grateful dead and Charles 159 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: manson aspects. 160 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 4: Before they would sleep at night, I'd lie down with 161 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 4: each one of them, and I'd always save Heidi for last, 162 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 4: because she was the most fun. Alissa ash Heidie's mom. 163 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: By the time, they move into a three story house 164 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 2: in the hills of Griffith Park that they bought for 165 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:13,440 Speaker 2: seventy seven thousand dollars in nineteen seventy around five hundred 166 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 2: and seventeen thousand dollars today. The family adds daughter Shana 167 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 2: and son Jason. In nineteen seventy seven, they have another son, Jesse, 168 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 2: bringing the Flic's family to a grand total of six kids. 169 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: They all live in the four thousand, three hundred square 170 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 2: foot house built in nineteen thirty, with five bedrooms and 171 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 2: a three story spiral staircase going up to a crow's 172 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: nest observation tower. There's a grotto with a fish pond, 173 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: stained glass windows, and murals painted on the walls. Los 174 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 2: Felis is known as an artsy kind of bohemian neighborhood, 175 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 2: although it was never cheap to live there. It's directly 176 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 2: next to Hollywood and provides easy proximity to most of 177 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: the major studios. Early movie stars built Lose Phelis's art 178 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: deco mansions. The main street set from the nineteen fifty 179 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: four Western melodrama Johnny Guitar just stood there on Sunset 180 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: Boulevard for decades before it was finally demolished. Los Felis 181 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 2: is also famous for being the neighborhood where Rosemary and 182 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 2: Leno la Bianca, an Italian immigrant couple who ran a 183 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: successful grocery store, were murdered by the Manson family on 184 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 2: the second night of their murder spree. Aside from Heidi Flice, 185 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: there are two other incredibly famous A List Hollywood stars 186 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: from Los Felis. One of them is Mickey Mouse, who 187 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 2: was born in the original Disney Studios building on Hyperion 188 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 2: Avenue in Los Felis, which is the reason why the 189 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: Main Street USA corollary in Disney's beleaguered California Adventure Park 190 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 2: is an idealized replica of nineteen thirties Los Felis. The 191 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 2: other movie star from Los Phelis is Leonardo DiCaprio, whose 192 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:56,839 Speaker 2: legal secretary mother and underground comics artist father separate when 193 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: he is one, but for a while live next to 194 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:02,199 Speaker 2: each other in bungalows with a shared backyard to co 195 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 2: parent baby Leonardo DiCaprio is even delivered by Heidi's father, 196 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 2: Paul Flice, who is best friends with his father George DiCaprio. 197 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 2: In nineteen seventies California, some people are experimenting with new 198 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: definitions of family and domestic life. The Flices are a 199 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 2: blended family of four biological children and two adopted kids, 200 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,079 Speaker 2: a Jewish, boho Brady bunch living in a three story 201 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: fairytale hacienda with lots of pets. They take family camping 202 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 2: trips to national parks together, where everyone fights in the car. 203 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: They go to Hurst Castle. They're a tight group. 204 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: I love my daddy. He's the best head on earth. 205 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 5: My dad never spanked us. He would say, I'm not 206 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 5: gonna ask any questions. This has happened and now it's 207 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 5: too late, and we're just gonna figure it out. Shane 208 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 5: of Flice. 209 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 2: Paul Flicce is on lots of medical boards, and his 210 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 2: opinions are often quoted in the Los Angeles Times. But 211 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:10,839 Speaker 2: Paul Flice also holds some views that were considered at 212 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 2: the time unconventional. Some of them are more potentially harmful 213 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: than others. His beliefs tend towards the New age. He 214 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 2: is a believer in the family bed, where parents and 215 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 2: children all sleep in one big bed together. This is 216 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 2: now known as co sleeping, and its most famous advocate 217 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: is former Blossom my Embiolic. He wears birkenstocks and the 218 00:14:35,520 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 2: kids are all vegetarians. He's against rewarding or punishing children, 219 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,800 Speaker 2: believing the main thing parents should do is be kind. 220 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: He's pro breastfeeding and anti formula. Doctor Flie is quoted 221 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: in a nineteen eighty eight La Times article about a 222 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 2: Silver Lake childcare co oper. Women breastfeed each other's children, 223 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,560 Speaker 2: also known as wet nursing, While some of the other 224 00:14:59,600 --> 00:15:04,239 Speaker 2: doctors the article worn that breast milk can contain infectious agents. 225 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: Doctor Flice advocates not only for breastfeeding, but for wet nursing. 226 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 3: Mothers have been doing this for a long long time. 227 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 3: It's not quite as good as the baby's mother, but 228 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: it's better than propping the baby up with a bottle. 229 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: The California counterculture seeped fully into the medical practices of 230 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: the time, and on the spectrum of outrageous nineteen seventies 231 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: medical thought. Paul Fleis was by no means the wackiest 232 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 2: or most out there person. He was among many professionals 233 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 2: questioning traditional medical practices and child rearing methods, interested in 234 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 2: exploring new, hopefully better possibilities. Doctors were also pushing the 235 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: limits in fields like group psychotherapy. There was Paul Bindram's 236 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 2: Theory of Nude Psychotherapy in nineteen sixty seven, which involved 237 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: long marathon naked group therapy sessions. There's an incredible nineteen 238 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 2: seventy one documentary called Out of Touch about the nude 239 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 2: therapy movement. Critics of the nude therapy movement said it 240 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 2: was too charged of an atmosphere and that participants might 241 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 2: mistake the adrenaline high of being naked with strangers for 242 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 2: emotional breakthroughs. But supporters said the nudity became non sexual 243 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 2: very quickly, and as someone who's spent to a couple 244 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: of adult film conventions and one European beach, I absolutely 245 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: think this is true. There are still nude therapy workshops 246 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,119 Speaker 2: in California, offered by a place called the Human Institute 247 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 2: for Awareness. There's also Esslin, the Big sur retreat with 248 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: a nude hot tub, founded in the sixties by two 249 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: Stanford grads after they heard a life changing Aldus Huxley 250 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 2: lecture about human Potential. There were new experimental techniques for 251 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 2: things like drug rehabilitation with the Experimental Rehab Center turned 252 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 2: eventual cult Synanon in Santa Monica. Doctor Flie considered his 253 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: philosophy of medicine holistic. He was vehemently anti circumcision, believing 254 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 2: the procedure caused children unnecessary pain and that the foreskin 255 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: could be cleaned manually, and he advocated for treating children 256 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 2: with the same respect afforded to adults and not physically 257 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 2: punishing them. His saying was no rewards or punishments, no 258 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 2: threats or bribes. Here's the less great part. He wasn't 259 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: anti vaccine, but he didn't insist that his patients vaccinate 260 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 2: their children. Despite, but also probably because of this bullshit, 261 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 2: he was a beloved family doctor throughout Los Angeles. Doctor 262 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: Fwiss was also a paid consultant for a board called 263 00:17:43,320 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 2: the Los Angeles County Milk Commission, which was put together 264 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: by Altadena. Altadena is a milk company that advertised untrue 265 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 2: health benefits of its unpasteurized milk. Doctor Fleiss was essentially 266 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,719 Speaker 2: paid to say that raw milk did have real health benefits, 267 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: something he likely believed given his own bent towards holistic 268 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 2: snake oil. A report on the La County Milk Commission 269 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 2: alleged that the entire board of milk had been bought 270 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 2: off by Altadina Dairy so that the San Bernardino Milk 271 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: Farm could continue to produce raw milk in violation of 272 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 2: health codes. 273 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: Our parents always stressed the importance of an education. Our 274 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: home was filled with love and stability. 275 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: Heidi was Mom's favorite. 276 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 5: I mean, I knew my mom loved me, but she 277 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 5: and Heidi had their own language. For me. 278 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,880 Speaker 6: Coming into this family that was so generous and open minded, 279 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 6: it really turned me around. But for Heidi having a 280 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 6: lot of leeway when she acted up, her actions were 281 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 6: considered not wrong, but witty or cute instead. 282 00:18:53,760 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: Kim Flice's oldest sister, the Flies kids had the kind 283 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 2: of freedom and lack of boundaries you might expect out 284 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 2: of a bohemian Los Angeles family in the nineteen seventies. 285 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 2: In a nineteen ninety five profile of Paul Flies by 286 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 2: journalist Sean Hubler, Alyssa Flice calls herself a quote flower 287 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 2: child mother, and Hubler refers to Paul Flices as quote 288 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,440 Speaker 2: the prototypical nurturing male. 289 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 5: Our house was the house on the block where everybody 290 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 5: went because they knew. Our parents were flexible about what 291 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 5: time we came home, so our friends would say, I 292 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 5: want to stay as Shana's and their parents would think, well, 293 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 5: the mother's a school teacher, the father's a doctor. There 294 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 5: shouldn't be any problems, and then we'd just go stay 295 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 5: out at night, going to clubs. My parents didn't have 296 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 5: a clue. By the time our parents started talking about curfews. 297 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,639 Speaker 5: It was too late. We were like fifteen or sixteen. 298 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 5: I'd been going out and doing things since I was 299 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 5: twelve years old. 300 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: Shana makes it sound like they were just allowed to 301 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 3: run loose, and that certainly was not the case. 302 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 2: While Paul Flies defends his parenting style, other people do 303 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 2: confirm that the Fly's parents took a hands off approach 304 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 2: popular at the time, basically trusting their kids to make 305 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:13,399 Speaker 2: their own choices. A friend of mine, whose mother was 306 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: close friends with doctor Paul Fwice, sent me an email 307 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 2: but asked for anonymity. She describes Paul Flies, like most 308 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: people do, as a beloved family pediatrician who would slot 309 00:20:23,359 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 2: in patience, even if they couldn't pay and take house 310 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 2: calls long after everyone else stopped doing house calls. She 311 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 2: says the Fly's family had a parenting style she calls 312 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: seventies California fairy hands off. Her mom believed the flies 313 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: kids became a mix of high achieving and burnouts. In 314 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: Heidi's case, both we have to contextualize the laissez fair 315 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: seventies California parenting style as a product of its time 316 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 2: in reaction to what came before it. Childcare manuals from 317 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 2: the first part of the twentieth century were filled with 318 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: concepts like the Refrigerator Mother, which blamed cold parental behavior 319 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: from women for children who developed autism or schizophrenia. In 320 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: nineteen forty six, doctor Benjamin Spock put out Baby in Childcare, 321 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: the first parenting book to involve psychoanalysis and advocate for 322 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: a more touchy feely approach to parenting, telling parents it 323 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 2: was okay to comfort and kiss their babies if they cried, 324 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: instead of just ignoring them. Spock was a proto hippie 325 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 2: whose anti Vietnam War views made him the eventual subject 326 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 2: of conservative backlash. So by the sixties and seventies, the 327 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: more liberal Spock influenced parents believe in treating children as 328 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 2: the individuals they are now. Some parents absolutely took the 329 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: idea of breaking down the boundaries between parents and children 330 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: too far, especially in bohemian nineteen seventies California. Their accountless stories, 331 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 2: particularly of famous parents pushing their children into adulthood prematurely 332 00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: or blur the boundaries between parenting and friendship in a 333 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: way that harmed their children, providing their kids with access 334 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: to drugs or alcohol or sex too early, and creepy 335 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 2: stories like the one about the rock star who quote 336 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 2: gave his daughter's virginity to another rock star he was 337 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: friends with as a gift. The seventies was also the 338 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 2: high point of working class latchkey kids whose parents weren't 339 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: around to see what they were doing, and the high 340 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: point for upper class kids with resources whose parents let 341 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 2: them run free without any rules. In the nineteen seventies, 342 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: people still hitchhiked in California. Things were so repressed in 343 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: the first part of the century that when they swung 344 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: in the other direction, they really swung hard. Of course, 345 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 2: there was a swift backlash to all the sixties and 346 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: seventies freedom and exploration called the nineteen eighties. This is 347 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 2: all to say that the Flics family existed somewhere on 348 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 2: this spectrum between additional parenting and letting children fend completely 349 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: for themselves, much like most other gen X kids experienced. 350 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 2: Which is not to say that the Fly's parents were 351 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 2: absent or distant. By all accounts, they were involved, even 352 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 2: strict sometimes, and the family was legendarily close knit on 353 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: celebrity rehab, which we'll get too much later. Heidi is 354 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: horrified when Mackenzie Phillips, the daughter of Mama's and the 355 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 2: Papa's musician John Phillips, perhaps the poster child for nineteen 356 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 2: sixties and seventies bad parenting, talks about her dad asking 357 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 2: her to get him drugs. Later that year, Phillips opened 358 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,920 Speaker 2: up about the adult, incestuous relationship she had with her father. 359 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: Heidi is completely horrified and says she would never have 360 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 2: so much as smoked pot with her dad. 361 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: I always had my own agenda. I was always looking 362 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: for something else. 363 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 3: She's always been a wheeler dealer. Hidie was desperate to 364 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: get West of doughheiny yvon Nage producer. 365 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: That was Ivon Naje, the Hungarian director, producer, and all 366 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 2: around dirtbag who will introduce you to In episode two, 367 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,440 Speaker 2: he's talking about how Heidi was desperate to get west 368 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: of Doughheeny. Doheiny is a street that is sort of 369 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 2: a dividing line into the neighborhood of Beverly Hills. It 370 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 2: is named after Edward L. Doheeny, who was the first 371 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 2: person to successfully drill an oil well in Los Angeles, 372 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 2: setting off a Southern California oil boom and making a 373 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: ton of money, becoming one of the first dynasties of 374 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:44,359 Speaker 2: La Doheany was the inspiration for Upton Sinclair's nineteen twenty 375 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: seven novel Oil exclamation Point, which was in turn the 376 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 2: inspiration for Paul Thomas Anderson's There Will Be Blood, which 377 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: features Daniel day Lewis as a Doheiny inspired character named 378 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 2: Daniel Plainview. Heidi is the ringleader of the Fly's Family gang. 379 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: She's a kid who ties her younger siblings shoelaces together. 380 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 2: In photos of Heidi as a child, she's a skinny 381 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: little stick with long, scraggly black hair, a tomboy in 382 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: a football jersey. Growing up, Heidi makes little movies with 383 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 2: her siblings using a Super eight camera. In one of 384 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 2: Heidi's movies, her brother, dressed in drag, pushes their younger 385 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 2: sister in a baby carriage, then appears to lose control 386 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: of the carriage and watches as a koreeen's down a 387 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 2: steep hill in what we can only assume is an 388 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 2: homage to Battleship p Tempkin. When the flight's kids showed 389 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 2: the short to their mom, she freaks out, thinking they'd 390 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: actually pushed the carriage down the hill with their sister 391 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,479 Speaker 2: in it. Heidi has to jump in and explain the 392 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: magic of movie editing. They replace their real baby sister 393 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: with a doll before pushing the carriage down the hill. 394 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 2: That should give you an impression of the kind of kid. 395 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: Heidi was the one who ropes the other kids into 396 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 2: making a movie and scares her parents a little bit 397 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 2: in the process. Heidi Flies attends John Mary Marshall High 398 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 2: in Los Phelis, a beautiful Gothic public school built in 399 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,720 Speaker 2: nineteen thirty featured in A Million Things, probably most famously 400 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 2: as Rydel High at the End of Greece. Besides Heidi, 401 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: other notable John Marshall students include Michelle Phillips from the 402 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: Mamas and the Papas, Sue Lyon, who played Lolita in 403 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 2: the Stanley Kubrick film, Judge lance Edo from the OJ 404 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 2: Simpson Trial, and will I Am an applet app from 405 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 2: The Black Eyed Peas. Van Halen's Hot for Teacher music 406 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: video was also shot at John Marshall High which was 407 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,880 Speaker 2: closed at the time due to lack of city funding. 408 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 2: The band, who also themselves met in La Area Public 409 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: Schools in Pasadena, donated an undisclosed amount of money to 410 00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: refurbish and reopen the school, which is cool as hell. 411 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,919 Speaker 1: When I was a teenager, all I wanted to do 412 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: was blend in. I felt awkward around my peers. The 413 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: things that were on my mind were different from anything 414 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,679 Speaker 1: they'd talked about. Once I went with some friends to 415 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: a party at UCLA, and I remember watching a group 416 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: of girls who dressed the same, laughed the same, and 417 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: talked the same, and I wanted so badly to just 418 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: be like them. 419 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 2: Heidi is clearly very smart. She wins a citywide chess 420 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 2: championship twice at age thirteen and fourteen, around the same 421 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,800 Speaker 2: time she starts babysitting to make money and figures out 422 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: she can make even more money by helping set up 423 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 2: other girls to babysit too. Thus, the first incarnation of 424 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: Heidi Girls is born a babysitting ring of twenty or 425 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: so teenage girls that Heidi matches up with her first 426 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: clients parents who need babysitters. In junior high, Heidi, who 427 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 2: had been a stellar elementary school student, starts falling behind. 428 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 2: She can't keep up with the schoolwork, and she's very 429 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 2: frustrated by and embarrassed about it. Her parents value education, 430 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 2: and Heidi plans to go to a good college someday 431 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 2: like they want. But her grades keep dropping, and the 432 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 2: only reason she keeps going to school at all is 433 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 2: because of a crush on a teacher named mister Jamie. 434 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: When she gets a C in one class, she begs 435 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: the teacher to change it to a BEE, and he refuses, 436 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 2: so she gives up on trying and starts ditching school. 437 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm always in the classroom staring at the blue sky, 438 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: thinking I gotta go, I gotta go. After a while, 439 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: I hardly went to school at all. I'd got class 440 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: and go to the beach with a race track. 441 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 2: When Heidie World returns, Heidi ditches high school for hustling 442 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: welcome back to Heidie World. Although she's been truant from 443 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: high school, she manages to hold down a part time 444 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 2: job at a flower shop called Flowers by Judith. One 445 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,040 Speaker 2: of her jobs is to bring roses over to the 446 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: Greek theater and sell them to people after shows. One day, 447 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 2: she is doing her job and sells out out of 448 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 2: all of the roses, and although her boss had told 449 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 2: her to just stop when she finished, she goes back 450 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 2: to the flower shop, gets more roses and sells all 451 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 2: of them too. So you can see that Heidi has 452 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 2: unnatural talent for finding money and then turning that money 453 00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 2: into more money. Flower shops figure heavily into Heidi world, 454 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: and it's not hard to see why a bouquet of 455 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 2: beautiful blooms for sale arranged just right can fetch a 456 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: significantly marked up price when the right person is selling them. 457 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: But this outside success doesn't translate back to school, where 458 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: she feels like a misfit, like she doesn't quite fit 459 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 2: in with the other kids her age. She develops an 460 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 2: attraction to much older men. 461 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: I don't like them under forty five. Just show me 462 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: a six year old guy with a million dollars. Point 463 00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: me in that direction. 464 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 2: However, Heidi does date some guys her own age, like 465 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 2: her best friend Steve, the blonde guy next door, who 466 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: becomes her first boyfriend. There's also a boy named Scott 467 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: who resembles young Johnny Depp, that Heidi describes as her 468 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 2: first love. Her ideas of romance are forged by movies 469 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: like Excalibur, the nineteen eighty one epic medieval fantasy movie 470 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: depicting Arthurian legends. Excalibur features Helen Mirren as Morgan le Fay, 471 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: a powerful female enchantress who can use magic to bend 472 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 2: powerful men to her will. But in her own life, 473 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: Heidi is not the sex goddess that she wishes she was. 474 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: I didn't lose my virginity until I was almost eighteen. 475 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,160 Speaker 1: I'm real slow. I'd go to bed at night and say, 476 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 1: why can't I have tits like Dolly Park? But I 477 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: remember the first guy. 478 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 3: He was blonde. 479 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: I've never slept with a blonde again, and I want 480 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: to understand what everyone was talking about. So I just 481 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: did it, and it was like, this is so painful. 482 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: I will die. I will never do this again. I'll 483 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: be a nun. No way will I do this again. 484 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,320 Speaker 2: She also spends an ever increasing amount of time at 485 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 2: the Hollywood Park racetrack in Inglewood, where she develops a 486 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: taste for betting on the horses. She bets on her 487 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 2: first horse at the age of fifteen, which is definitely illegal. 488 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 2: Her boyfriend Steve goes with her on these racetrack hookie 489 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 2: trips at first, but he gets sick of the scene 490 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 2: at the racetrack, which he finds sort of depressing and 491 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 2: CD and stops going. But Heidi loves it there so 492 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 2: much she just keeps going to the racetrack alone. Heidi 493 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,719 Speaker 2: likes to gamble. She'll bet on which rain drop we'll 494 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: make it down the window first, any Brooklayer, Attorney at law. 495 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 2: Now officially failing out of school, Heidie's parents tell her 496 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: if she brings her grades up, they'll give her a 497 00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 2: car for her sixteenth birthday, a common motivational strategy used 498 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: by parents of rich kids in la and it works 499 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: if only briefly. Heidi hits the books just long enough 500 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 2: to raise her grades and is rewarded by her parents 501 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: with the brand new car. But the lesson she learns 502 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,479 Speaker 2: from the experience is not to study, but to start 503 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 2: forging her report cards. On top of all that, she 504 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 2: also starts selling pot, shoplifting, and stealing car radios. 505 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 1: I lied to my parents for a year and told 506 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: them I was going to school. I goofed around instead. 507 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: That was restless as hell. 508 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: Heidi has some wealthier friends whose famous parents wield more 509 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 2: power and influence than a low feeless pediatrician, even a 510 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: pediatrician to the stars. These friends also have the kinds 511 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: of la luxuries that come with lots and lots of money, 512 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 2: fancy cars, Palm Springs houses, good tables at hip restaurants, 513 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,480 Speaker 2: expensive clothes from nice department stores. This becomes the blueprint 514 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 2: for the kind of life Heidi wants for herself. When 515 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: she's sixteen, Heidi meets a girl who will become her 516 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 2: best friend, Victoria Sellers, daughter of legendary comedian Peter Sellers 517 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: and Swedish actress britt Eklund. 518 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: Victoria Sellers is the only friend I have ever felt 519 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 1: completely comfortable around. We met in our teens during spring 520 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: break in Palm Springs. We are very different from each other, 521 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 1: but also very much alike. 522 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 2: Heidi is starstruck by Victoria's glamorous lifestyle and Hollywood connections. 523 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 2: Victoria's beauty, full blonde bond girl. Mother has dated famous 524 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: playboys like Warren Batty, Rod Stewart and the producer Lou Adler, 525 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 2: who still sits front row at every Lakers game. Heidie's smart. 526 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 2: When she puts her mind to something, she gets it. 527 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,719 Speaker 5: Victoria Sellers, Heidi's best friend, The. 528 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 2: Fly's parents, who are very concerned about Heidie's truancy and 529 00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: lack of interest in school, have her transfer to a 530 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 2: private Catholic girls' school called Immaculate Heart, where she flunks 531 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 2: out in her first semester. Her senior year, Heidie drops 532 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 2: out of high school entirely, promising her parents that she'll 533 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,600 Speaker 2: use the time to get her ged high school equivalency 534 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 2: diploma and sign up for early enrollment in college. But 535 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 2: back to that car, you know in Clueless how Cher, 536 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 2: Horowitz says, look at the loked out jeep Daddy got me, 537 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 2: referring to the white jeep wrangler that she can barely drive, 538 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,920 Speaker 2: or when Murray asks if she was jeep in i 539 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,239 Speaker 2: e creep in in a jeep Heidi like share, Horowitz 540 00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 2: drives a Jeep, a burgeoning trend for off road sport 541 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 2: utility vehicles and a timeless California taste for convertibles made 542 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: jeeps the it car for a certain kind of moneyed 543 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 2: young girl in that era. But while jeeps, which started 544 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 2: as military vehicles, are cute, they aren't the ideal starter 545 00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 2: car for someone just learning to drive. Like any suv, 546 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,000 Speaker 2: they're prone to tipping over. Nineteen year old Heidi is 547 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 2: behind the wheel of the jeep when she flips the 548 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 2: car of eight passengers over in a nightclub parking lot, 549 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 2: trapping her sister Shana underneath the car and injuring Shana's 550 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 2: arm to the point where it almost has to be amputated. 551 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 2: Heidi panics, allegedly drunken on downers, Frantic, but unhurt herself 552 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 2: at first, she flees the scene. None of the other passengers, 553 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,919 Speaker 2: including her, badly hurt, sois her file charges against her. 554 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,759 Speaker 2: Her parents, perhaps naively still set against the idea of 555 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 2: punishing their kids in a traditional sense, by her another jeep. 556 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 5: It was July tenth, nineteen eighty four, and after it happened, 557 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,800 Speaker 5: it changed everyone's lives. 558 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: When I was eighteen, I flipped a jeep over with 559 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 1: eight girls in it. The only person who was hurt 560 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: was my younger sister. She had a multiple fracture, the 561 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,319 Speaker 1: kind where the bone comes out, because her forearm and 562 00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: her upper arm got trapped under the roller bar. But 563 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: mentally it might have caused more harm to me. You see, 564 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: I wish it was me. Okay, she was sixteen years old, 565 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,720 Speaker 1: she couldn't finish school, and you know how your ego 566 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: is when you're sixteen, Well, I felt responsible. 567 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 2: The jeep flipping in stie Eident changes the entire family's 568 00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:06,239 Speaker 2: dynamic forever fulfilling Elyssa Flices's worst fears from when she 569 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 2: thought Heidi had pushed her sister down a hill in 570 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 2: a baby carriage in that Super eight movie. Heidi's own 571 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 2: recklessness was becoming a liability to more than just herself. 572 00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 2: Heidi goes into a deep depression, allegedly even maybe going 573 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,920 Speaker 2: to a mental hospital for a while, feeling like she 574 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 2: has completely ruined her sister's life. Heidi is impulsive, but 575 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:32,800 Speaker 2: she's also very sensitive. But Shana doesn't even really blame Heidi, 576 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,840 Speaker 2: who stays with her at the hospital through all of 577 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:45,200 Speaker 2: her painful operations. By the end of the year, the 578 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,840 Speaker 2: Fly's parents announced that they are getting a divorce. Heidi 579 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 2: is at a crossroads will she get on the straight 580 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 2: and narrow by going back to school and figuring out 581 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 2: a stable career, or will she plunge deeper into partying 582 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,399 Speaker 2: and try to lose her in sex, drugs, and rock 583 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 2: and roll on the debaucherous Sunset strip. Like heidiflies, I'm 584 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 2: a half Jewish woman with hippy parents from the flatlands 585 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 2: of Los Angeles who has spent her life trying to 586 00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 2: claw her way up into the Hollywood Hills. The Heidi 587 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,560 Speaker 2: Fly scandal broke when I was first developing my ideas 588 00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 2: about sex and morality. I remember wondering why it was 589 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 2: even illegal to sell sexual services. From a steady diet 590 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 2: of television, magazines, movies, and billboards, I already understood that 591 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 2: sex was used to sell virtually everything, and I was 592 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 2: interested in the pornography industry that operated around me in 593 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 2: the San Fernando Valley as a shadow economy of the 594 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 2: mainstream film industry. Fascinated by the mundanity of the work 595 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,960 Speaker 2: of cranking out glamour and arousal for public consumption, A 596 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 2: sexy young woman was the ultimate product, a symbol of 597 00:38:56,960 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 2: desire and commerce itself. You could make a killing selling 598 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 2: the female image, but the people who did make a 599 00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 2: killing selling the female image always seemed to be men. 600 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 2: Hugh Hefner, male directors, producers, and executives. That a woman 601 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: couldn't sell her own body consensually to customers who were 602 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:22,240 Speaker 2: paying consensually made no sense to me, even as a child. 603 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,680 Speaker 2: Here was Heidi being punished, basically burned at the stake, 604 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 2: by the media for something that didn't seem like it 605 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 2: should even be against the law. Legacy news outlets and 606 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 2: tabloids alike had a clear narrative in mind for the 607 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 2: Heidi Fly scandal, one where sex work is bad, sex 608 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 2: workers are either bad people or naively coerced innocence, and 609 00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,400 Speaker 2: the experience of doing sex work leads only to drugs, 610 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,840 Speaker 2: degradation and death. The La Times has always notoriously functioned 611 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,960 Speaker 2: as a mouthpiece for lawaw enforcement agencies, but it was 612 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 2: especially clear during the Heidi Flight scandal when they printed 613 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 2: absolute Lives from the cops connecting an unrelated murder to 614 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 2: Heidi's madaming business. The media angle made no sense because 615 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 2: the drugs, degradation and death narrative was not the Heidi 616 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 2: Fly's story at all. Sure, there were drugs, but everyone 617 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 2: involved was a willing participant, and the sex was always 618 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 2: a consensual exchange of goods between consenting adults. Heidi Flight's 619 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 2: arrest itself was meant to serve as propaganda for the 620 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,919 Speaker 2: Los Angeles Police Department, Just a few years after four 621 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:41,320 Speaker 2: LAPD officers were filmed beating Rodney King and then subsequently acquitted. 622 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,800 Speaker 2: The police force, known around the world for its brutal, 623 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,319 Speaker 2: racist treatment of civilians, was looking for a public relations coup, 624 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,319 Speaker 2: something to show that they were the heroes. They thought 625 00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 2: of themselves as cleansing the city of vice and crime, 626 00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,320 Speaker 2: and in arresting Heidi Flies, they also sent a clear 627 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 2: message to other sex workers that they would be targeted too, 628 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,839 Speaker 2: literally targeted. In the nineteen eighties, the LAPD supposedly had 629 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 2: an internal acronym NHI, which means no human involved. Allegedly, 630 00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 2: the cops used NHI as code when a sex worker, 631 00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 2: unhoused person, junkie, or gang member was murdered. So that 632 00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 2: should tell you something about how the cops viewed sex workers, 633 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 2: these people they allegedly are claiming to protect. What the 634 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 2: cops really cared about was that Heidi Flights had made 635 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 2: the cops as an institution look as corrupt and stupid 636 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 2: as they really are. But busting Heidi didn't have the 637 00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 2: effect the LPD expected. It made the cops look again 638 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,279 Speaker 2: like jackasses for wasting city time and money on an 639 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 2: over the top raid of a woman brokering and escorting 640 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 2: business for a bunch of men with too much money 641 00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 2: who want to spend it on sex in your name, 642 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 2: maure type of Even though Heidi Flies didn't set out 643 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 2: to become famous, and the glare of the spotlight she 644 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 2: was thrust into almost broke her, she did set a 645 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 2: lot of rules for a new kind of fame. It's 646 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,360 Speaker 2: the only type of fame that exists now and the 647 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,839 Speaker 2: driving force behind all social media, the person who you 648 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,280 Speaker 2: just can't stop watching. The media Mailstrom capitalized on Heidi's 649 00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,520 Speaker 2: youth and sex appeal at the same time as it 650 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,480 Speaker 2: condemned her and vilified her. But Heidi did her best 651 00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 2: to cash into launching a very ahead of its timeline 652 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 2: of pajamas and accessories she called Heidiwear while she was 653 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,799 Speaker 2: on trial. Once Heidi became notorious after she got out 654 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 2: of jail, she continued to leverage what was objectively a 655 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: horrible situation into money by becoming that newest thing a 656 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 2: reality TV star. She also has a very deep family 657 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:01,360 Speaker 2: connection to the Bachelor. I'm not saying Heidi is a saint. 658 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,319 Speaker 2: I think the details and documents will speak for themselves. 659 00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 2: To me, she's the most interesting anti hero. And with 660 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 2: the continued persecution of sex workers by a fanatical right 661 00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 2: wing anti porn lobby for whom sex work is always 662 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 2: without exception, somehow degrading and exploitative, even when the workers 663 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 2: themselves are telling you it's not, it seems like the 664 00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 2: perfect time to take a fresh look at the Heidi 665 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 2: Fly story and discuss what went wrong and why America 666 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:36,480 Speaker 2: is still so fucked up about sex, especially when there's 667 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:51,520 Speaker 2: money involved. Next time on Heidi World, Heidi gets a 668 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 2: job waitressing on the world famous Sunset Strip, is introduced 669 00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:58,839 Speaker 2: to the glamorous world of VIP partying with celebrities at 670 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:04,720 Speaker 2: notorious club Helena's, and meets a wealthy, mysterious, much older 671 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,680 Speaker 2: man named Bernie Cornfeld who will change her life forever.