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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of The

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Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist. These are some of our favorite segments from

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Speaker 1: this week, all edited together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So, without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.

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Speaker 1: Please welcome to the show. The Brilliant, the Talented man

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Speaker 1: gash to take it all. I feel like that was

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Speaker 1: too nice an introduction for the man with heavy man.

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Speaker 1: Big fans over here, big fans, Her Majesty hold the

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Speaker 1: baby for another day. You could be here for hold on,

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Speaker 1: hold on, let me look at it. If this document

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Speaker 1: full disclosure. Her Majesty had the pregnancy salt, which is

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Speaker 1: this thing in l A that supposedly like induces labor

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Speaker 1: but like it's just like a t MZ like l

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Speaker 1: A myth basically. But it's funny. When you go they

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Speaker 1: make you sign a book is ship. They're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you haven't, okay, you gotta fill out the book then,

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Speaker 1: and it's just wild. I'm like they have a God

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Speaker 1: complex about it. They're like, put your name in the

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Speaker 1: book of what right, like leave your inscription pond the

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Speaker 1: wall for the other travelers that are curious. But it's

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Speaker 1: such a scam to me, like because you're dealing with

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Speaker 1: something too, and it also didn't work. It's just it's

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Speaker 1: but it's brilliant, right because for people don't know, there's

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Speaker 1: like this thing is like the pregnancy salad and what

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to do. People come like when they're around

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Speaker 1: the time they're expecting, they have it and supposedly would

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Speaker 1: induce labor. But like you're already dealing with people that

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Speaker 1: are like very close to having a child anyway, so

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Speaker 1: you can describe it to fucking anything, you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean. Like you'd be like its l a water,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean, take two steps l a

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Speaker 1: water every day. But is there anything special about the salad,

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Speaker 1: like it's a spicy or is there like no, man,

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Speaker 1: guess I fucking downed like a couple of Like I

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Speaker 1: was like, I bring something actually dressing real quick because

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Speaker 1: I wanted to know because all I knows it's the dressing, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's something in the dress. It's a straight up vineagrette.

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Speaker 1: It's just a big that's I'm like, this is genius.

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Speaker 1: This is genius. They don't know. But you put a

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Speaker 1: placebo affecting people's heads. I love that and they're just

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Speaker 1: making bank off. There were so many other pregnant people

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Speaker 1: there was wild. Yeah, I misunderstood what the pregnancy salad was,

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Speaker 1: and I ate just bushels of that ship trying to

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Speaker 1: get a junior situation. But it had been good for

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Speaker 1: the show's visibility and did not work out. Disappointed a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that day, including me. I was like, Jack,

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Speaker 1: that's how it works, man, I don't know. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: like a big type situation where you interacted this magical,

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Speaker 1: mundane thing and the impossible. Yeah, these are exciting, terrifying times.

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Speaker 1: So glad to spend them with you. Miles. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: Matt guest, you're also daddy, what what's am? I? Am?

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Speaker 1: I ever gonna not be nervous in anticipation of this

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Speaker 1: Because everything I'm I was telling Jack earlier, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm just a wreck right now. When the fund is?

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Speaker 1: When's it coming? I was? I was so anxious, but

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Speaker 1: I was also trying to like finish all these like

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Speaker 1: like we had a cover story and the author dropped

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Speaker 1: I mean I was. I was anxious the whole time.

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Speaker 1: I was actually the whole like the first few months.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy, you have an alien in your house. I'm

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Speaker 1: cool with that. I've always been an alien at my house.

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Speaker 1: So I went on this uh this astrology for the

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Speaker 1: reporting for the show. I went to India and visit

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Speaker 1: all these like crazy astrologers and things, and like one

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Speaker 1: these people. And then he was like and also, Tamil's

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Speaker 1: and it sounds like the research has been pretty a journey,

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Speaker 1: all this stuff and then decided they did like each other.

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Speaker 1: But but like so like I'm here because of astrology,

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Speaker 1: whether or not I believe in it. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: just like like this, but like we met the first

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Speaker 1: the fucking thing. I feel like that's the thing. My

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Speaker 1: like all these things happened in my life and I'm like, man, like,

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Speaker 1: you were telling me that you're going to do this show.

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Speaker 1: That like my three best friends and my wife are

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Speaker 1: all born within a day of one another. Yeah, like

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Speaker 1: who is this writer, He was like, you should just

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Speaker 1: Don't you think that that salad place should be just

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Speaker 1: like just very very specific things. Yeah yeah, like like

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Speaker 1: is ship. Okay exactly. That is a kind of dumb

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Speaker 1: ship that like happened in like New York or LA. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, the way that Ivy League schools work is actually,

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Speaker 1: read into the data too much? Causation. Causation. What is

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Speaker 1: something from your search history that is revealing about who

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Speaker 1: you are? I recently googled Martini glasses, specifically Nick and

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Speaker 1: Martini glasses. They have like a whole like home goods

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Speaker 1: It's kind of fucked up that they're horning in on

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Speaker 1: and we'll come back and uh talk about some dystopian ship.

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Speaker 1: Oh god, m h And we're back and this is

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Speaker 1: this is I mean, the title of the article in

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Speaker 1: the New Yorker is What's the Matter with Men? Probably

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Speaker 1: that feels as close as a New Yorker title has

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Speaker 1: come to being. Also, the title of like a you know,

428
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Speaker 1: Donna Hue, like you know, like the old eighties daytime

429
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Speaker 1: talk show thing or also a Fox News like a

430
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson chiron like probably on a bi weekly basis.

431
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Speaker 1: So I mean, it is hard to cover the subject

432
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Speaker 1: without seeming like you're claiming cancel. Culture has changed the

433
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: rules and it's too mean to boys or you know whatever.

434
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: There's a lot of answers given to this kind of

435
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: preemptively by the Fox News of the world and the

436
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: right and Tucker Carlson. But it you know, my might

437
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,479
Speaker 1: take on that would be that like culturally, we are

438
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 1: seeing just the barrassed minimum start to fixing an imbalance

439
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: and structural inequality that has been pervasive like for many,

440
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, across many human civilizations. And you know now

441
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: that the thing the interesting things that I don't think

442
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: I fully understood the extent of is that in academic performance,

443
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: both in the United States and in countries around the world,

444
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: we are seeing boys underperformed girls like drastically, like in

445
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: a way that is like not is not statistically like insignificant,

446
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: like you you can't there has to be something going

447
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: on there, And they say it's like both with advanced

448
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: countries that still struggle with considerable sexism such as South

449
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: kore area and in notably egalitarian countries like Sweden. And yeah,

450
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 1: it's just you know, in two thousand nine, American high

451
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: school students in the top ten percent of their freshman

452
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 1: class where twice as likely to be female. In the

453
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:18,879
Speaker 1: United States, women are close to or girls you know,

454
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: are close to outnumbering boys two to one in undergraduate

455
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Speaker 1: and in colleges, where whereas at the start of the

456
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Speaker 1: eighties it was more like one to one. So go ahead, joke. No, Yeah, well,

457
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I like this article, and um,

458
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, I know you have to write a headline

459
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 1: to get people on the internet to pay attention, so

460
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,159
Speaker 1: you know whatever, I just tend to dismiss headlines and

461
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: just actually look at what's going on there. But but

462
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: it feels like you started to hint at two things

463
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: that this article I think does a nice job of navigating,

464
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: which is one is, you know, there's a problem with

465
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Speaker 1: men in the sense that all the ways in which

466
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Speaker 1: they've traditionally been allowed to behave our cultural norms are changing.

467
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: And that's where it gets into cancel culture and you

468
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,719
Speaker 1: know all these other things, and that's you know, for

469
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: for better, But it's it's it's fraud. You know, there's

470
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: complications to explore there. And then there's this other thing

471
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Speaker 1: which you described, which is, you know, men and boys

472
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: are falling behind in in lots of ways, um that

473
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: we can start to measure and see. And I'm not

474
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Speaker 1: sure if those are necessarily like related or part of

475
00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: the same conversation, Like just because we told Louis c

476
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Speaker 1: K he can't behave a certain way doesn't necessarily mean

477
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: that then like eighth grade boys are that are worse

478
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: at maths and so there, I just want to sort

479
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: of identify that there are lots of swirling and interconnective

480
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: but not necessarily causally related things going on with men. Yeah,

481
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: And I think what's really important is to think about

482
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: how now men's rights and women's rights are somehow diametrically

483
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: opposed from each other. But originally during there was a

484
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: men's rights movement. The original men's rights movement was very

485
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 1: much crow equality, which meant men needed to sort of

486
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 1: take that self inventory and say, okay, how are the

487
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: ways like, how are we oppressed quote unquote right? What

488
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: what causes us pain? And that also causes women pain

489
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: at the same time, So those movements were kind of

490
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: like married to each other until slowly they unwound into

491
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 1: this sort of battle against each other, which is really

492
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: sad because there's lots of reasons that we should look

493
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: at the problems that men experience that's not somehow anti women, right,

494
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: it should be something that we're moving forward with consciously

495
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: on both sides. And it's really a bummer that, uh,

496
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: it's become such a cesspool of horror men's rights, Chelsea,

497
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you know that's it makes me think of

498
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Speaker 1: this article in The New York has a review of

499
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: a of a book, and you know, the book is

500
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: written by someone who tends who comes from a background

501
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: of studying inequality and the kind of like myth of opportunity,

502
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: which I think is so related to all this because

503
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Speaker 1: I think, to your point, like when you set yourself

504
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: up to define opportunity as a zero sum game, which

505
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of men, but I think

506
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of Americans in general, is the way

507
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: that we've seen it, then you lead to this sort

508
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: of competitive notion of equality or or you know, gender,

509
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: the relationship between the genders. Whereas if you can kind

510
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: of like start to rethink what it means to have

511
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 1: opportunity or to succeed, and think of it as more collaborative.

512
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: Then you maybe start to find some of the answers

513
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: in the way that you're describing. But I just think

514
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: it's like a really fascinating lens through which this person

515
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: is um is taking on this question because it is

516
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: so related to you know, almost like most things in life,

517
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: it's about like the disconnect between expectations and reality, right,

518
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: and we set up the expectations to be that men

519
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: get sort of get it, get it all handers to

520
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,479
Speaker 1: them on a platter. Uh, then you you end up

521
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: with that that frustrating disconnect for a lot of ment. Definitely, Yeah,

522
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean there's one of the things that points out

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00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 1: is that there's still a great deal of structurally inequality.

524
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: So you know, we're seeing these differences in performance metrics,

525
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: like at the educational level, but the C suite is

526
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: still you know, largely male, even though it's moving in

527
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: more equal direction, but like there's still a pay gap

528
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: and it does make me wonder like the structures of

529
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Speaker 1: masculinity that we've created across cultures like Chelsea, you talked

530
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Speaker 1: about the original Men's movement and I know people like

531
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 1: there there seems to be a resurgent thing of like

532
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: these like men's groups and and you know meetings that

533
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: are meeting men's meetings that are designed to undo the

534
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: toxic like things that you were taught about what it

535
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: means to be a man, and like that seems to

536
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: be the way to attack this and not going back

537
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: to the unequal way. Like I I talked about how

538
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,719
Speaker 1: when it comes to like white supremacy as well, like

539
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: there is like the the people who benefit from these

540
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: structures that kind of encode or enforcating quality like that

541
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: at some level they even recognize like that maybe it's

542
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: not their conscious mind, but at some level they I

543
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: think that's where a lot of the anger and the

544
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: self hatred that like comes out as like outward hatred

545
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: comes from. Is the recognition that like they're not superior,

546
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: you know, and they're benefiting from this narrative that is

547
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: demonstrably not true. And like that's where a lot of

548
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: this like kind of conflict and violence comes from, as

549
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: well as the fact that you know, so so many

550
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 1: of the structure of masculinity that's still like you know,

551
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: are still around. Like my kids just pick up an

552
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 1: interest in guns and ship like that just through osmosis,

553
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: through like school books and stuff like it's violence is

554
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: part of this structure that still hasn't been like rooted out.

555
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: And I am I being naive though that I do

556
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: feel like that it is changing the language around masculinity.

557
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, I just feels like, for you know,

558
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: most of the people I know under the age of

559
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: I just kind of marvel if I'm being honest, you know,

560
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 1: and not granted I run in certain circles or whatever,

561
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 1: but I just feel like, you know, the level of

562
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: sort of language and empathy and openness with emotions and

563
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: you know, ideas about what consent means, Like it is

564
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: so much more expansive than when I was growing up,

565
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: And you know, I would think I was like progressively

566
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: minded and tried to behave in all the right ways,

567
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: but I just didn't have that language wasn't even handed,

568
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 1: that the culture wasn't sort of really pointing me in

569
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: the right direction in a way that I don't know.

570
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,360
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm being naive or overly hopeful, but it

571
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: does feel like there has been some real ship around

572
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: the way that young men talk about being young men

573
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 1: that I yeah, I find kind of hopeful. And I

574
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: think that that's a good point because in our cultural moment,

575
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: everything feels like the worst that it's ever been. But

576
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: you just go back five years, ten years, fifteen years,

577
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: a hundred years, and there is a steady movement toward

578
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 1: progress and undoing toxic qualities and always, and I think

579
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: we have to sometimes stop and value that we are

580
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 1: making progress because it's so easy to see these individual

581
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 1: things happen day by day, and I think in some

582
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: ways things are getting worse than they were five years ago,

583
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: but but generally, by and by we're kind of doing okay,

584
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: which is you know, anyone, but there's always a backlash, right,

585
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: so that's the card against I mean, there's always angelum. Yeah.

586
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm working on a series about Hollywood history, and in

587
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: it we do an episode about Errol Flynn, who was

588
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,959
Speaker 1: like an awful, awful person, you know, treated women terribly,

589
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: was accused of raping people, and you know sort of

590
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: like lived in a thirties and forties era of very

591
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: toxic masculinity. But then he like hung around for a

592
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,240
Speaker 1: long time and you know when the fifties and sixties

593
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: was like still kind of like hanging around and hadn't

594
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,320
Speaker 1: been quote unquote canceled in any sort of hangful way.

595
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: But the thing that I realized from there was that

596
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: like every generation of men can tell themselves that, you know,

597
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: they're put upon and that they don't have it as

598
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: good as the as the boys from the who were

599
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: ten years older, who could have you know, were boys

600
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: ten years ago. Boys could just be boys, and now

601
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: we have to put you know, deal with all this bs.

602
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: And that's like, that's the most consistent thing, is that

603
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,160
Speaker 1: men feel aggrieved and put upon and then they just

604
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: get to act however they want to act. Exactly if

605
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: you're a victim, than anything you do is retaliatory, right,

606
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: you can do anything if you're a victim. Yeah, yeah,

607
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 1: I think there's a built in fragility to a lot

608
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: of the structures of masculinity that men are kind of

609
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: taught to just yeah. There. There's an interesting quote in

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00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: the article when they talk about like a man Festo

611
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: from the thirties and the author of the Manifesto Bovoir,

612
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: Jacqueline Bovoi, but writing that the most mediocre of males

613
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: feels himself a demi god, demigod as compared with women,

614
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: and just that, like to to actually go around believing

615
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:26,479
Speaker 1: that on a day to day basis and be coming

616
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: into contact with evidence that it wasn't true constantly like

617
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 1: and then just having to double down like that, it

618
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: makes sense to me that there would be some damage,

619
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: some baggage from those structures. That's that, though, I think

620
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 1: is something has has genuinely changed in the last five

621
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: eight years or so, which is the appetite for mediocrity

622
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: I think is no longer there and people just want

623
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: to call it out, see through it, you know, not

624
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: accepted for themselves. You know, obviously there will always be

625
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: people who, especially white males, who fail up and kind

626
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: of scraped by and slough off off hard work. But

627
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 1: I do really think that that has genuinely shifted in

628
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 1: some in some meaningful way. I think it's definitely shifting.

629
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: But I think at least part of what we're seeing

630
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: with this kind of the some of the struggles that

631
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: we're seeing are echoes and you know, past generations still

632
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: being around and you know, educating and yeah. So I

633
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: think I'll just say really quick that if you guys

634
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: are interested in this topic, we did we put our

635
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 1: heart and soul into an episode called Men's Rights of

636
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: American Hysteria, and it really looks at the whole movement

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Speaker 1: of men's rights starting back in the seventies up until

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Speaker 1: the modern day and try to take not an impartial

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Speaker 1: look because we can't do that, but you know, just

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Speaker 1: really try to understand sort of the emotions and thinking

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Speaker 1: behind that movement through the decades. We will link off

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Speaker 1: to that in the footnotes. But that sounds wonderful. Also,

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Speaker 1: you just did an episode about how high school students

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Speaker 1: used to have to swim in the nude. We did

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Speaker 1: not not really related to this subject, but yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's uh, it was up until the seventies, many many,

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Speaker 1: many public high schools boys swam naked and that was

648
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Speaker 1: just totally normal and it has to do with hygiene,

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Speaker 1: blah blah blah. But we actually interview Robin Washington, who's

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Speaker 1: a reporter and uh, someone who had to swim naked

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Speaker 1: in high school, and he gave us belowdown and yeah,

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Speaker 1: lawsuit city, that's what he calls it. Now, all right,

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Speaker 1: let's talk really briefly. So the Biden White House is

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Speaker 1: going to let the coronavirus Public Health Emergency expire in

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Speaker 1: May and so, you know, around five hundred people and

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Speaker 1: they are still dying of COVID. It's currently become a

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Speaker 1: top ten leading cause of death among children and imagining.

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Speaker 1: This was a decision made in consultation with public health experts.

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Speaker 1: But it seems at least the narrative that being portrayed

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Speaker 1: in the media is that is being motivated by political maneuvering.

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Speaker 1: The Republican House, i believe, was about to introduce a

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Speaker 1: bill called the Pandemic Is Overact, which we don't Pandemic

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Speaker 1: is Overact is there's just gonna be a fuck you

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden Act at some point, like they just go

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Speaker 1: right there, yeah, And then he did it and they

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Speaker 1: were like, yeah, well, that's what we're gonna say to do.

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Speaker 1: So it's good to see that he's taken our lead.

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Speaker 1: And there's just a bunch of you know, pissing contests happening.

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Speaker 1: But one of the major changes that could come about

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Speaker 1: as a result of ending the state of emergency would

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Speaker 1: be the end terminating Title forty two, the public health

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Speaker 1: measure that has limited the inflow of migrants of the border.

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Speaker 1: But of course the Republicans are in favor of keeping

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Speaker 1: Title forty two restrictions and arguing Title forty two is

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Speaker 1: not tied to the PhD. So I don't know he's Biden, meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: was attempting to controversially expand the powers of Title forty two,

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Speaker 1: so he's It just seems this is kind of what

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Speaker 1: I had in mind when I heard that he was

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Speaker 1: going to, like from his strategists that looked for a

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Speaker 1: pivot to the center coming in the second half of

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Speaker 1: his term after after the mid terms, because this logic

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Speaker 1: that said that both you know, we we after the

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Speaker 1: day after the mid terms, we were like, wow, like,

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Speaker 1: how are they going to cover or failed to cover

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Speaker 1: the fact that you know, Fetterman one and you know,

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Speaker 1: beat somebody who was like more of a mainstream Democratic

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Speaker 1: candidate and like was kind of a big d NC

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Speaker 1: hopeful and then and Connor Lamb and then defeated, you know,

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Speaker 1: a very well funded candidate that had the entire power

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Speaker 1: of Trump and Mega behind him. Like, how do they

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Speaker 1: cover that without being like it seems like there might

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Speaker 1: be a genuine appetite for left of Democrat policies, and

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Speaker 1: they've just kind of I don't know, but declaring that

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Speaker 1: the pandemic has moved to a different phase. Should not

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Speaker 1: be related to these conversations, right, It should not be

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Speaker 1: a political act. It should not pull in all of

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Speaker 1: these other things. I mean, there's plenty of other places

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Speaker 1: you can point to the Biden administration and be like, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm curious to see, you know what, if we're going

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Speaker 1: to see their true centrist instincts revealed here, But like

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Speaker 1: this is, you know, another example to me of just

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Speaker 1: kind of like how much the well was poisoned, especially

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Speaker 1: with the pandemic and politicized and you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's so strange to me that every conversation about the

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Speaker 1: pandemic doesn't start with the simple fact that like Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump was president when it first happened, and that cast

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Speaker 1: a die that we're still living with, and that everything

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Speaker 1: is politicized as a result, because this was a man

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Speaker 1: who from the very beginnings on no other incentive but

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Speaker 1: to politicize. You know. It's like day two of the

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Speaker 1: guy was like, oh, well, if we just don't count

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Speaker 1: the cases, that there won't be any cases, you know,

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Speaker 1: and it's like so and you know, so then to

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Speaker 1: like criticize or look for political positioning with a decisions

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Speaker 1: in the contint. I mean, it's just so we're just

716
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Speaker 1: so far around the bend on making sensible, reasonable decisions

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Speaker 1: around around COVID is like is so dispiriting, But like

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Speaker 1: the pandemic is a different place than it was a

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Speaker 1: year ago, six months, Like we know that, we see that,

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Speaker 1: and so like I would be open to the idea

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Speaker 1: that the pandemic emergency might be over, but we're just

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Speaker 1: so lost at sea in terms of being able to

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Speaker 1: really evaluate things like that without it completely getting screwed

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Speaker 1: up in all the all the ways we're describing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I do feel like the timing is yeah, unfortunately, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: well we'll be keeping an eye on it. How consistent

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Speaker 1: this pivot to the center is. But yeah, I I

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Speaker 1: don't know. Here. Hearing that that was their takeaway from

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Speaker 1: the mid terms was pretty pretty frustrating to man. Well, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'll be curious to see how much, you know,

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Speaker 1: the Santis is gonna go all in or at least

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Speaker 1: half in on like a bunch of sort of pandemic

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Speaker 1: related grievance stuff. And I'm curious to see what the

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Speaker 1: saliades of that is. You know, I wonder if he's

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Speaker 1: out there a year from now just railing against masks,

736
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Speaker 1: whether people are just gonna be like, yeah, like really

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Speaker 1: like I'm I'm I got angry about that in summer

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Speaker 1: twenty but like, I don't know, I'll be curious. We

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Speaker 1: were talking about how like there isn't that much like

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Speaker 1: content that really resonates with people about the pandemic at

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Speaker 1: this point. It doesn't. It seems like people are just like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we've we were moving along and don't want to talk

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Speaker 1: about that anymore. I don't know if that will apply

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Speaker 1: to them being still furious that they ever had to

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Speaker 1: wear a mask in publics or whatever. Yeah, but we'll see.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a quick break and we'll come

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Speaker 1: back and talk subtitles and we're back. And so sprouts

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Speaker 1: will now have an ugly section for their produce in California,

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Speaker 1: like in addition to organic that there will be an

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Speaker 1: ugly section where just misshapen, off color, over or undersized.

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Speaker 1: Let me see which fruits they actually named, because it

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Speaker 1: it will be. They named potatoes, onions, grapefruit, lemons, oranges, pears, carrots, kiwi,

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Speaker 1: and bell peppers were most fucked up dish you've ever had, exactly,

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Speaker 1: But basically, the there's a sorting process that happens before

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Speaker 1: produced reaches grocery shells, and they get rid of any

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Speaker 1: that have visible imperfections in favor of, you know, whatever

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Speaker 1: looks like the platonic ideal of that fruit essentially, and

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Speaker 1: so people have kind of had the idea for a

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Speaker 1: while now. Actually that this is probably contributing to the

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Speaker 1: fact that the U. S d A estimates that as

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Speaker 1: much as thirty of the U. S food supply goes uneaten.

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Speaker 1: So it's well, we're talking in a little bit. But

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Speaker 1: so the whole foods. A couple other places tried to

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Speaker 1: start a similar movement in but like really couldn't get

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Speaker 1: consumers on board. And there was a recent study that

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Speaker 1: said that just the natural human assumption is that ugly

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Speaker 1: food is actually worse for us, even though it's not

768
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Speaker 1: like it's completely incorrect, but a University of British Columbia

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Speaker 1: School of Business study that people assume ugly produces less

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Speaker 1: nutritious and less delicious than it's better looking counterparts, which

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Speaker 1: is a bummer because it's not true. I feel like

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00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 1: it says such bad things about humanity that like our

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Speaker 1: our idea of you I mean you say platonic ideal.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, basically, we can't process any food that doesn't

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Speaker 1: look like the five year old druid. This is like apple,

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Speaker 1: it's exactly like shape like this. Let me search in

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Speaker 1: my emoji apple and typically the one that looks the

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Speaker 1: most like an apple has all the flavor bread out

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Speaker 1: of it. You don't like the Red Delicious your worst.

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Speaker 1: You're you know, platonic ideal of what an apple should

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Speaker 1: look like. And it's don't get started on red Delicious.

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Speaker 1: And so you know this that you article that I wrote.

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Speaker 1: I wrote this article. But the mango market on WhatsApp

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Speaker 1: and mangoes in America are very beautiful. And the ones

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Speaker 1: that come from India box down Asia are these like bruised,

786
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Speaker 1: little soft, messed up things and you and they covered

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Speaker 1: it can be covered in black spots, and they are

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Speaker 1: literally ten times better than any like people like all

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Speaker 1: your you know, Asian parents are gonna be like mangoes

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Speaker 1: in America aren't mangoes, And they really are. When you

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Speaker 1: try them, it's like it's like they like taste like apples,

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Speaker 1: you know, the Tommy Atkins, and like all they don't

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Speaker 1: have that kind of like calmly sweet goodness that And

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Speaker 1: so like this article that I wrote, you know, back

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Speaker 1: in was not is like about how people will pay

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Speaker 1: eight dollars a mango because they know how much better

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Speaker 1: they can be. And I think it comes down to

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Speaker 1: people just uh not really being very educated about seasonality.

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Speaker 1: The other thing that's crazy about that is when I've

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Speaker 1: people have heard about this the like it'll be in January,

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Speaker 1: they be like, can I get some mangoes. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you think mangoes grow in January. They do not. They

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Speaker 1: only grow for a couple of weeks, Like you know,

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Speaker 1: it's in the summer, Like they're not or it's a season,

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Speaker 1: it's not something you can get. But here in America

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Speaker 1: you can actually get mangoes literally every month of the

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Speaker 1: year because they're importing from all sorts of different places,

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Speaker 1: you know. So on the misfits thing, I'll just say

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Speaker 1: one thing, which is if food waste is the primary problem,

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Speaker 1: then the misfits thing is like a really small part

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Speaker 1: of it. Because even still all of the stuff that's

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Speaker 1: coming to the market, like they plan to make a

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Speaker 1: profit on it, to charge to charge as little as

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Speaker 1: they do, that half of it is going to be

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Speaker 1: thrown out like they just want you to, you know,

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Speaker 1: they it's it's it's a model already built on waste.

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Speaker 1: And yes they're slightly supermarkets are slightly reducing their wastes,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's really probably not as sustainable as supporting

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Speaker 1: a local farmer or c essay, which is, you know,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to still get you in the door and

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Speaker 1: support their overall very bad for the climate. And so

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Speaker 1: I'm a little skeptical of these misfits market. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: I am too, because I mean one of the even

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Speaker 1: even in this article and the takeout that covers it,

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Speaker 1: they mentioned that like when the food gets sorted before

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Speaker 1: it's delivered to the grocery stores, it's not just thrown

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Speaker 1: in a can and picked up by the garbage truck.

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Speaker 1: It's actually used to feed animals or folded back into

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Speaker 1: the soil to add nutrients to the soil. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't feel like this is the thing

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Speaker 1: that's driving food waste. Yeah, yeah, it's not the primary thing. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the whole supermarket model in general is just a huge

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Speaker 1: contributor to food waste. So they're just trying to kind

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Speaker 1: of launder their reputation a little bit. I think, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course, and even these subscription boxes, like I'm not sure, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, sure you're eating the wasted stuff, but if

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Speaker 1: it's being you know, driven on a gas power, you know,

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Speaker 1: a huge, massive truck like or delivery event, Like, is

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Speaker 1: that really more sustainable than just you know, not doing that.

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00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, buy from a local farmer or something.

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Speaker 1: But to be fair, buying c s A is those

842
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 1: things are expensive. I've tried, and I waste a lot

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Speaker 1: of my c s A s. So you know, I'm

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Speaker 1: calling the pot calling the kettle black over here, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we have a very productive lemon tree at

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Speaker 1: my house and that for I love it. It's one

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Speaker 1: of the one of the greatest gifts in my life.

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00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: But it produces i'd say like ten percent of the

849
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: lemons it produces look like hr Geiger like designed them.

850
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: There there is some wild ship which which I feel

851
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: like it is actually cool. Like if I saw some

852
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: lemons that look like that at the grocery store, I

853
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 1: think I'd have to be be on board with that.

854
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of zesting surface area if you

855
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: want lemons zest with that has like zulu tentacles coming

856
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: out of the top of it. Growing zucchini by the way,

857
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,479
Speaker 1: they like night king horns, right, if you don't cut

858
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: them by the time they become like that perfectly like

859
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: even shape, they just become these giant, bulbous like creatures

860
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,799
Speaker 1: that are just horrified. And it's like, I wouldn't know

861
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: that unless i've, like my sister had like a summer

862
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: of trying to grow zucchini's, Like I had no idea

863
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: that like there was a perfect time to cut a

864
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 1: zucchini off the stem where it like looks nice, and

865
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,919
Speaker 1: after that just becomes so scary that like you don't

866
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,479
Speaker 1: want to eat it obviously, like probably like the water

867
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: content is too high those bigger ones. That's probably why

868
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,680
Speaker 1: people harvested at that time. But it's like, yeah, and

869
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: plants aren't can be really scary looking sometimes and they're

870
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: still we would eat those john zucchinis. It would be

871
00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: really hard because it'd be huge. But I feel like

872
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,879
Speaker 1: there's other stuff about the you know, to your point

873
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:36,280
Speaker 1: about even if this isn't true, our snobbiness around how

874
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: pretty the fruit is like kind of works against the

875
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: ultimate product that you're getting with like the isn't bananas

876
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 1: are all clones of the same banana that have like

877
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: lost a lot of there because the thing every other

878
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: banana is better than what you think is a banana, right,

879
00:50:56,760 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: because when when you were designing the fruit, would all

880
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: fruit is like designed in a lab essentially like at

881
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: this point, like when when you look at what corn

882
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 1: used to look like, it like it wasn't on a

883
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: big dick shaped cob. It was like it looked like

884
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: a little garden weed for for a long time, and

885
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: then farmers were like, no, this should look more like

886
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: a big dick I think covered in corn. Yeah, well,

887
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: there's there's an interesting balance. Some of them do look

888
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: good on a shelf, but we've also seen improvements like

889
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have not like this brussel

890
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: sprouts thing, where like everyone was like we used to

891
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: hate bustle sprouts, and part of the reason that is

892
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: is because they bred the bitterness out of brussel sprouts,

893
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: so like the night so the russell sprouts we're eating

894
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 1: now are much better. So that's why they're so like

895
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: so much more delicious. So it's like it's interesting like

896
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: the balance of like consumer education versus like the scientists

897
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 1: like sort of like sneaking a vegetable in by improving

898
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: like sweet corn also used to like many varized of

899
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: sweet corn would like stop being sweet within like a

900
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: minute of of harvesting them or something like that, Like

901
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: you have to literally just grabbed them and put them

902
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 1: on the grill. So you know, it's interesting how sometimes

903
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,400
Speaker 1: you get a benefit from that scientist. Another time it's like,

904
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: why why don't you just make the fruit taste better?

905
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 1: Like our fruit in general in America is awful. Sorry

906
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: to say, I can't think of many fruits, but I'm

907
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: very fond of especially in the American supermarket. Yeah, is

908
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: mango the number one the people need to go try

909
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: when they're outside of the US. I have had a

910
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,840
Speaker 1: I was in Guatemala last year and had a scoop

911
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: of mango that I tasted like ice cream. It tasted

912
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 1: like it was made and you know, by a candy company.

913
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: It was the most delicious thing, and that it was

914
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 1: a consistency that I've never had in any sort of fruit.

915
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: Like it was just so buttery and delicious. Simmonson the

916
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 1: best per Simon I had this year. I I picked

917
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: it up and I bruised it with my like almost

918
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: went through the skin with my fingers. I was like,

919
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 1: basically like a water balloon. Yeah, well, remind me when

920
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 1: mayor June comes around, I'll try to get hook you

921
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 1: up with my mango dealer. And if you're willing to

922
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: spend you know, eight dollars out of mango forty dollars

923
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: for two cages, you know, you might have a life

924
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: change changing experience. You might not ever be able to

925
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: go back. But yes, I would say mangoes are definitely

926
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:19,439
Speaker 1: something you need to try when you're outside of the US.

927
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm not that familiar with the South American wants to

928
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: be honest, but it's a similar situation to what you're

929
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: describing with the bananas, that all of the ones in

930
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: North America much like coffee, like like like South Asia,

931
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: East Asia is like like coffee for eat coffee beans

932
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: in Ethiopia, which is like there's more genetic diversity there,

933
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: so there's like a lot more varieties there. So I'm

934
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: not that familiar with the with the South American ones,

935
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,359
Speaker 1: but I know that they're better than the American ones.

936
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 1: American ones that come over the border from Mexico are

937
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: not really designed for flavor. There are some good Mexican varieties,

938
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 1: but it's like not the ones who get to the supermarket. Yeah.

939
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,760
Speaker 1: I think Americans assumed that because of American exceptionalism and

940
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, ship like that. They're like, well, we have

941
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: to have the best, and it's like no, they're they're

942
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: designing this product for you, a not very well informed consumer.

943
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: So like they just know that you're gonna you're gonna

944
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: be okay with it. That's available in December, right, like

945
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: when it should not be available. Yeah, I forget what

946
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: barry it was, but there is a kind of long

947
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: read article about a company that designed its berries to

948
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: be like it. The berries that we have now we're

949
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: designed to be pickable by robots essentially, because like that,

950
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,680
Speaker 1: that is why it's that way. It has nothing to

951
00:54:35,719 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: do with how good it tastes. It's like it looks

952
00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 1: good in a cart when you're going around the grocery store,

953
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: and it's a robot can pick it without destroying the fruit. Right,

954
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,920
Speaker 1: All the all the energy goes into yeah, harvesting and trucking,

955
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,720
Speaker 1: and if it tastes better, that's a maybe a Brussels sprout.

956
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I feel like Brussels sprouts is just the anomaly. Yeah.

957
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 1: The other thing I'll say about those box on Amenga

958
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 1: is that they try to get them in supermarkets, but

959
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: they go bad within two days. So like they the

960
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,720
Speaker 1: supermarkets are like the consumer doesn't want these ugly things,

961
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: you know that are like brown all over and getting soft.

962
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 1: And it's like, well, they're better than any man go

963
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 1: you've ever had access to. But it's like they're not

964
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: willing to pay pay the price for that. I mean

965
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: it's also very expensive to fly them from box Son.

966
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,040
Speaker 1: I mean that's also like a like a terrible climate

967
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: change story that like box sunnies like myself are so

968
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 1: wild about it that they're willing to like loaded up

969
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 1: in an airplane and get it bloat over here. That's

970
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: not so good for the environment. So yeah, that's I

971
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,919
Speaker 1: wonder if Brussels Sprouts were It's like a story where

972
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: it's just they hit such a deep, dark bottom and

973
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 1: they it was like they were just you know, synonymous

974
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: with gross. Someone's gonna spit this out if I try

975
00:55:52,640 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 1: and feed it too, And and so the you know,

976
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 1: the people at the at Big Brussels Sprout like really

977
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: had to come to Jesus moment where they're like, we

978
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: need to actually make these taste good. I think Mafia

979
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: was like, broccoli is over there and they're laughing at us.

980
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: The kids are eating their broccoli, but if they will not,

981
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: just if it's just bitterness, it feels like genetic variation

982
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: just naturally is gonna Look, they couldn't be more bitter.

983
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:19,839
Speaker 1: So if you just randomized Brussels frosts for a couple

984
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: of generations, they like almost have to taste better. There's like,

985
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:27,360
Speaker 1: no no other way. Yeah right, Yeah, It's like they

986
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: actually had been designing them in the fourties and fifties

987
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: to punish children. It turns up they were just like,

988
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: we need a taste like ship that we have these kids.

989
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,240
Speaker 1: Make sure they know that God doesn't love them, you know. Alright,

990
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about Beyonce. Let's talk about Ticketmaster. Beyonce is

991
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: about to go on tour, and in addition to just

992
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 1: general concerns that the tickets are going to cost the

993
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: same as black market organs, a lot of fans are

994
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: worried that Ticketmaster is gonna totally screw this up for

995
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: some reason. I don't know where they're getting this concern from.

996
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that literally just happened with Taylor Swift, so

997
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: they were just Ticketmaster was just the subject of a

998
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: Senate Judiciary Committee meeting, which didn't seem to solve that much,

999
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: except it gave a platform for politicians to quote Taylor

1000
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: Swift lyrics in just wildly cringe fashion. This'll get me

1001
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 1: on Twitter dot com, right, all right, there we go

1002
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 1: Twitter dot com. Senator Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut said Ticketmaster

1003
00:57:36,480 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: ought to look in the mirror and say, I'm the problem.

1004
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 1: It's me. Amy Klober said that consolidation within an industry

1005
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,640
Speaker 1: is a problem the United States no knows all too well,

1006
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: and they should be forced to sing if they're going

1007
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: to do this. Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Senator Mike Lee characterized

1008
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: restrictions on selling tickets as a nightmare dressed like a

1009
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: day dream, which, yeah, I'm excited for them to bring

1010
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: out the Beyonce lyrics when that exactly and so the

1011
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: president of Ticketmaster's parent company, Live Nation apologized to Taylor

1012
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: Swift fans claimed it was just the damn bots that

1013
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,680
Speaker 1: are responsible for the terrible consumer experience, saying they'll quote

1014
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: do better in the future, but it's that that may

1015
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: be the case, that may be like the problem they're

1016
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 1: failing to solve. But from from the outside, it really

1017
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:43,360
Speaker 1: appears to be that Ticketmaster is a monopoly, and so

1018
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 1: when their website breaks, there's not another website that you

1019
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: go to them be like, well Ticketmaster sucks, so we'll

1020
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: go buy the tickets over here. This is pretty straightforward.

1021
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: Like it feels like you you we end up having

1022
00:58:57,720 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: to explain the dynamics of capitalism a lot capitalists, you know,

1023
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 1: is I I is there a reason why it's some monopoly?

1024
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: Is it just the artists are like, it's easier just

1025
00:59:10,760 --> 00:59:13,320
Speaker 1: to give all our tickets to or the venues. I

1026
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: guess technically sell the tickets. Wasn't that the merger with

1027
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: Live Nation or something. Maybe that's a long time ago now,

1028
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think that's one of the ways

1029
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: that that I think a lot of things happen, you know,

1030
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: and and there's just not the appetite to push back

1031
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: against corporations. It's it's so they we allow these massive

1032
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: mergers to go through. We're coming off of like forty

1033
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: years of deregulation being the operative word in the US,

1034
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 1: and it's like this is what you end up with.

1035
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: You end up with like broken systems that like don't

1036
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: work because they, like a corporation naturally wants to be

1037
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: a monopoly. You can't can't just like passively hope that

1038
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 1: it's not going to be one like that is in

1039
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,480
Speaker 1: massive advantage for them because they ultimately just want to

1040
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,960
Speaker 1: make as much money as possible while spending as little

1041
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 1: money as possible. And you know that's bad. And like

1042
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: the bots don't seem to be bad for them. I

1043
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: mean they want like the sneaker drops, like they want

1044
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,000
Speaker 1: their sneaker drops there, the tickets, like all these companies

1045
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 1: benefit from the box. It seems like to me, yes,

1046
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: their public opinion goes down, but there's if there's no alternative, right,

1047
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: you have one place, if you have one place that

1048
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: does good bot protection and you have one place that doesn't,

1049
01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna go to the place that has good protection

1050
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,480
Speaker 1: against bots. But if it's a monopoly, they want like

1051
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 1: they're not gonna they're not gonna see a hit to

1052
01:00:37,080 --> 01:00:40,360
Speaker 1: their pockets if the bots are taken down there. They

1053
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 1: want their their tickets to sell up. I mean the

1054
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: resell maybe even benefits them to some extent because it

1055
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: becomes even more highly valued, so they can charge more

1056
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: and more. So yeah, I don't buy it, but they

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Speaker 1: end and it benefits like the bots benefit Ticketmaster because

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Speaker 1: Ticketmaster has agreements with the reseller sites. Yeah that they

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Speaker 1: get a cut of every resale, so they are just

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Speaker 1: making money on top of the initial money that they made,

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Speaker 1: and so they've been busted like actually like making deals

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Speaker 1: with resellers, you know that. I mean they get they

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Speaker 1: get a cut a portion of like every ticket that

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01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 1: gets resold on one of these like other official resellers.

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Speaker 1: But in twenty nineteen, the company's president of US concerts

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Speaker 1: was literally cut sending ninety thousand Metallica tickets to a

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Speaker 1: broker who Live Nation was directed to hire with the

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Speaker 1: participation of Metallics, Metallica's ticket consultant. And just like we

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Speaker 1: didn't notice that one because nobody gives a shit about

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Speaker 1: metallicya I guess, But like it was also like literally,

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? I mean, every artist, every Ticketmaster,

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Speaker 1: every venue, their their response to any of this is

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Speaker 1: what are you gonna do? Yeah, like a little bit,

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Speaker 1: it's like huge artists like offloading the being a bad

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Speaker 1: guy to ticket Master. Ticketmaster doesn't care that they're back,

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Speaker 1: like it's just like creates a layer of the service

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Speaker 1: that Ticketmaster provides, is creating a layer of plausible deniability

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Speaker 1: to artists to say to their fans, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: it's tickert Maaster's fault, taketmasters, like, I don't know who cares, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that that really seems it's good for the artist because

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01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: there's it creates demand, it creates a story about how

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01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: hard it is to get the tickets to their show.

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Speaker 1: It's good for Ticketmaster, Like the only people that screws

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01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: is the consumer. And this is just I feel like

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Speaker 1: this is naturally what we'll be seeing more and more

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Speaker 1: unless there is a actual concerted like political movement to

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Speaker 1: push back against consolidation and deregulation and like these massive mergers.

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Speaker 1: But we just haven't seen it in any real way

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Speaker 1: in our lifetime, you know, like that this this is

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01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,680
Speaker 1: what was happening in the like end of the nineteenth

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01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: century early twentieth century, where like the Robbert barons were

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01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 1: just consolidating all their power and then things had to

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01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 1: get like really fucking bet for there to be like

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Speaker 1: a massive pushback, And it seems like that's where we're headed.

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01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,720
Speaker 1: Is there anyone you would brave the ticket master chaos

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01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: for what would be yours that you would be willing

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Speaker 1: to do this for. Probably Frank Ocean's. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would do I would do it for Frank Ocean. I

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01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: really like Frank Ocean. I'm too out of it to

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Speaker 1: like ever. I only ever know these things are going

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Speaker 1: on sale. Would people start complaining that they couldn't get

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Speaker 1: tickets on Twitter? Right? Yeah? Yeah, how about you? No?

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Speaker 1: I think I think everybody that I would have done

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Speaker 1: it for is probably not somebody that I would want

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Speaker 1: to buy tickets from anymore. Let's just say the probably

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Speaker 1: the biggest cost that ever went to is Scotty back

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01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:51,280
Speaker 1: in the easiest. That was one of the rare times

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Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'll put a lot of money

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Speaker 1: to go see that. And now I don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that anymore. Why would happen a music hasn't been good?

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Speaker 1: Didn't realize I live like, I don't know five flocks

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Speaker 1: from Dodger Stadium, and I did not realize that night

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Speaker 1: that Elton John was doing whatever his like last show

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Speaker 1: evert at Dodger Stadium, and I, you know, popped out

1115
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: to go get a taco and literally like was just

1116
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Speaker 1: stuck on sunset for man. I took the turn and

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Speaker 1: I was like, oh no, And then I looked on

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Speaker 1: Twitter and everyone's like going to Elton John. I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I live here now, Yeah, this is just

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Speaker 1: where my car is going to be. Yeah you could.

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Speaker 1: I also like grew up in that, like for a

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Speaker 1: Midwestern punk Ethos was like a place of selling more

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Speaker 1: than twenty Like they're selling tickets for more than twenty dollars.

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Speaker 1: Like I'm not going like was cool? That was right?

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01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: We were right back then. We were like talking about

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Speaker 1: bands selling out and talking about like you know, we're

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Speaker 1: we're skeptical of ticket Master and there's a big, like

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Speaker 1: fun Ticketmaster movement and it just kind of went away.

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Speaker 1: But and like the idea of sellouts just like went

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Speaker 1: away at a time when I feel like we need

1131
01:05:07,000 --> 01:05:12,720
Speaker 1: that protection. That's sort of natural fan based skepticism because

1132
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Speaker 1: it's it's bad. But on the other hand, I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 1: like yeah, of course, like you want all the just

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Speaker 1: to be able to access the show, and like under

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Speaker 1: twenty dollar ticket is great for that. But it's like

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Speaker 1: how do these bands survive that are not you know,

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Speaker 1: who are who are doing who are selling tickets for?

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Speaker 1: I've actually made a concerted effort to go to a

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Speaker 1: couple of like forty tickets shows of bands that I've like,

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Speaker 1: I'm slightly interested in. I don't have to be like

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Speaker 1: the biggest fan, and I'm just like, yeah, this doesn't

1142
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: seem like a lot of people for this to travel

1143
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Speaker 1: the country for. It's a hard it's a hard gig.

1144
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Speaker 1: So maybe like now that I'm older, like I would

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Speaker 1: actually give these bands like fifty dollars, you know what

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: I mean? Yeah, throw throw them. Yeah, they're not getting

1147
01:05:50,600 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: a record deal. That's gonna their Spotify streams are not

1148
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Speaker 1: being the bit I was gonna say. They make their

1149
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Speaker 1: money off of all those lucrative Spotify streams. Right, it's

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Speaker 1: the tenth of a cent. Yeah, bye bye. The My

1151
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Speaker 1: my friend Totty, who is my podcast go host. You

1152
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 1: can see us now. She has a rule which is like,

1153
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Speaker 1: if you listen to an artist on Spotify, you know,

1154
01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 1: whatever number of times by their record on vinyl because

1155
01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,960
Speaker 1: also they can never take that away from you. Yeah,

1156
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 1: that's right. I just got a record player to do

1157
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 1: that very same thing. I have never been a vinyl person.

1158
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 1: I I fear it'll be a dangerous habit for me.

1159
01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 1: But I do, like I want to throw throw them

1160
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Speaker 1: somebody because not a huge concert person. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: Ticketmaster is going to buy all the vinyl production, get

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Speaker 1: the corner of the market. Sorry, man, I'm listen to

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Speaker 1: tapes which are made of oil. Show all right, that's

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Speaker 1: gonna do it. For this week's weekly Zeitgeist, Please like

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Speaker 1: and review the show. If you like, the show means

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Speaker 1: the world of Miles. He needs your validation, folks. I

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Speaker 1: hope you're having a great weekend and I will talk

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Speaker 1: to him Monday. By