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Speaker 1: P at the nine oh four six four four more

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Speaker 1: dtails Well, the Giants fall to the Jets thirty four

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Speaker 1: to twenty seven. Not what you want? Six straight losses

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Speaker 1: and lands losing to a one in seventeen one in

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Speaker 1: seven team is obviously a new low this season. And

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Speaker 1: the Giants fall to a team that a lot of

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Speaker 1: people thought they should have beaten, a team that they

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Speaker 1: had a better record than, and it just continues down

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Speaker 1: the path that the Giants have been on these you know,

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Speaker 1: past half dozen weeks, where when they need to make

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Speaker 1: a play, they can make it, whether on offense or defense,

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Speaker 1: when the other playing other team needs to play, they do.

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Speaker 1: They lose the turnover battle once again a minus one,

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Speaker 1: which turned out to be the difference in the game

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Speaker 1: minus two actually because Golden Tate lost that last fumble.

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Speaker 1: Not that it reflected on the game, but at least

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Speaker 1: in the turnover differential, Department's gonna go down as a

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Speaker 1: minus two, which is why numbers canna sometimes be deceased,

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Speaker 1: because it was really more of a minus one game.

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Speaker 1: And the Giants lose to the Jets. Yeah, you're are present, right, John,

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Speaker 1: in terms of the reoccurring issues that we're seeing, and

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Speaker 1: I know sounds like it's deja vous all over again,

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Speaker 1: and we're not trying to beat a dead horse here,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately, the conflicted wounds correct just continue to come

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Speaker 1: to the forefront. And this was the latest setback in

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Speaker 1: which turnovers, to your point, came back to bite them.

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Speaker 1: And not just turnovers we've been talking about this weekend

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Speaker 1: and week out, it's the fact that the opposition is

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Speaker 1: capitalizing john off of those turnovers. Okay, this was yet

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Speaker 1: another defensive score by the opposing team. Dallas Cowboys returned

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Speaker 1: to fumble for a touchdown, the Detroit Lions returned to

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Speaker 1: fumble for a touchdown. So you're starting to see a

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Speaker 1: trend where not only are there issues in ball security,

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Speaker 1: but the opposition is cashing them in. So that to

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Speaker 1: me was a huge turning point. Jamal Adams ripping the

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Speaker 1: the Jets favorite field position, absolutely taking that and running

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Speaker 1: it into the end zone for a touchdown. Yeah, the

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Speaker 1: Jets had come out to a fourteen nothing lead in

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Speaker 1: They will only show fourteen thirteen at halftime, and then

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Speaker 1: the first play of the second half bing bang boom,

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Speaker 1: finished the game scoring I believe ten straight points to

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Speaker 1: least correct, Yes they did. Yeah, at one point the

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Speaker 1: Giants led one, so they outscored the Giants thirteen nothing

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Speaker 1: to close the game. And I don't want to put

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Speaker 1: the way, teams are allowed to overcome turnovers in defensive touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: And if your minus one and again technically minus two,

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Speaker 1: but if your minus won in a game, that's a

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Speaker 1: good enough right now to overcome those types of mistakes. Overall,

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones played well or forty three or eight four

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Speaker 1: That's the most important thing. He gets sacked six times.

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Speaker 1: the end of the game where the Jets outscored the

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Speaker 1: That's what happened again in the fourth quarter of this game.

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Speaker 1: The Giants last few gives short circuited by poor pass protection.

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Speaker 1: and that's not including the DeAndre Baker pass interference penalty

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Speaker 1: that put the ball to one yard line. In effect,

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Speaker 1: it's four chunk plays, because that, in effect is a

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Speaker 1: chunk play, right, And the Giants simply cannot make the

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Speaker 1: games to win. And I old people call and say, well,

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Speaker 1: it's a close game. That means you're only a couple

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Speaker 1: of plays away, right, Not necessarily. That's what separates good

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Speaker 1: the Giants are where they are right now because in

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Speaker 1: turn these losses into wins, and often instead of making plays,

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Speaker 1: they will make mistakes instead. And the mistakes come in

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Speaker 1: many different forms, John, whether it be a turnover, whether

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Speaker 1: I mean this to me is the telling number. Last

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Speaker 1: five possessions of the game for the Giants. Two first downs,

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Speaker 1: three sacks allowed, and there was a penalty against Spencer

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Speaker 1: Pully a false start, So that means that they had

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Speaker 1: a lot of self inflicted wounds, negative plays where it

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Speaker 1: looked like maybe they would be in a manageable third down,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you give up a sack.

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Speaker 1: So it's a third and long. And you know, third

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Speaker 1: eight for eighteen on third down, which may not look

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Speaker 1: terrible from a percentage standpoint, but I mean, look at

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Speaker 1: and what was that a reflection of? What was the

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Speaker 1: negative place. But on top of that, okay, let's not

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Speaker 1: Darius Slayton had it going out there and they were

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Speaker 1: converting those passes outside the numbers. They were doing a

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Speaker 1: great job. But you can't sustain that. Absolutely no NFL

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Speaker 1: but you're right, you can't sustain it. Sae Kwon Barkley

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Speaker 1: the second half he gained negative seven yards. That's hard

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Speaker 1: to believe. It's amazing. I mean those numbers hard to

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Speaker 1: it goes back to the penetration that the Jets defensive

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Speaker 1: the Jets were a lackluster team. You know, they weren't

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Speaker 1: give credit to that group. That group played very hard.

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Speaker 1: great job. Yeah, they were top six. Also, in terms

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Speaker 1: don't think the Jets necessarily showed the Giants anything that

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Speaker 1: to just trade Nate Solder away? By the way, do

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Speaker 1: like what happened when the backup came in? How did

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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focused And that's not the three quarterback hits.

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Speaker 1: Aren't the three sacks. It's three sacks plus in the

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Speaker 1: three other quarterback hits. And he was ultimately Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: sacks six times. So you look at the numbers, He's

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Speaker 1: three of the last four games. Yeah, it's not just

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Speaker 1: against the offensive line. In fairness, okay, the quarterback decision

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Speaker 1: I'm bringing up the number. There's somebody else. By the way,

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Speaker 1: you could put on the past protection to say Kwan Barkley,

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Speaker 1: who for a third straight week now, is that issues

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Speaker 1: in past protection? Where this week go was the mental stuff.

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Speaker 1: He was in the right spot, he was picking up

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Speaker 1: the right guy. But Jamal Adams whooped them. He did

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Speaker 1: whooped him, and Barkley admitted as much after the game.

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Speaker 1: It got to the point where they're taking them out

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Speaker 1: and they're putting Wing Goldman in and you know, one

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Speaker 1: of barkley strength is in the past game, right as

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Speaker 1: a receiver, can't I'm on the field in the third

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Speaker 1: that's why it sounds like a cliche line, John, But

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Speaker 1: how many times when a new running back arrives, or

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Speaker 1: manageable field goal, which was thirty five yards after he

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Speaker 1: had missed the fifty plus yard earlier. And the reason

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Speaker 1: why I bring up this drive is not to say

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Speaker 1: that you know the Giants defense didn't regroup. Because they did,

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Speaker 1: they didn't give up a touchdown. But there's a distinct difference, John,

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Speaker 1: between keeping at a four point game versus now the

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Speaker 1: Jets extended to a full touchdown. It changes the play

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Speaker 1: calling because remember the Giants still got the ball back.

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Speaker 1: There's seven twenty eight left in the fourth quarter. Any

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Speaker 1: time we're not talking about you're up against the clock.

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Speaker 1: So that's why I said four point game versus seven

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Speaker 1: point game. It could all of a sudden change how

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Speaker 1: aggressive your approaches, your play calling, and so forth. That

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Speaker 1: to me was a killer drive because of the two

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Speaker 1: big chunk plays back to back that the Giants defense,

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Speaker 1: and then Jones got sacked on the next two drives.

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00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 1: I mean he got sacked on two straight drives, So

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Speaker 1: I mean that's not gonna work. And I'll go to

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Speaker 1: the drive before that for the Jets. That was a

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Speaker 1: killer for the Giants defense. And this was a different

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Speaker 1: palm moost chunk plays. You know, Short passed the bell

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Speaker 1: for eleven Crowder twenty five yards. Oh, I guess what

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Speaker 1: what was it? It was a crossing round. I can't

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Speaker 1: believe it. Then you had the pass interference on bay Aker,

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Speaker 1: which watching it live, I thought it was an obvious

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Speaker 1: pass interference call most people did. He didn't get his

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Speaker 1: head around. Look like you ran to Anderson on the replay,

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Speaker 1: there wasn't as much contact as I thought there was live,

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Speaker 1: But I completely understand why they threw the flag the

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Speaker 1: way they did because he didn't turn his head around. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it's a basic technique thing, which is, by

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Speaker 1: the way, we talked about that's something that he had

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Speaker 1: a problem with when he was at Georgia too. It's

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Speaker 1: just something that he needs to get better at. And

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Speaker 1: then Bell ran into for one yards. That was a

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Speaker 1: four yard, four play touchdown drive right there, and actually

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Speaker 1: technically three because I don't think defensive pets afference counts

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Speaker 1: as a play technically, but it's really a four play,

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Speaker 1: seventy yard touchdown drive. So I mean, you get those

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Speaker 1: two drives late and a couple of things I want

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Speaker 1: to bring up before we get to the calls. And

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Speaker 1: we got a bunch of people on um Giants run

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Speaker 1: defense I thought was excellent. They did a good job

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Speaker 1: up front, but again it's about the oppontment focus. Just

474
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Speaker 1: like we talked about Jets can't protect the quarterback. Well,

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Speaker 1: the Jets haven't been on the run the ball all

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Speaker 1: year either, so the Giants should have stopped him with

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Speaker 1: the run game. But you know they did well. Lawrence

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Speaker 1: was good, Williams was good, David Mayo was good. Tom

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Speaker 1: won at a nice game. He had a sack too.

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Speaker 1: So those guys played while I thought Gibrol Pepper's pay

481
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:06,480
Speaker 1: played an excellent game Defensively, Golden Tate continues to play well.

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Speaker 1: He caught a screen pass, ran for a touchdown. I

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Speaker 1: mentioned Darius Slay in earlier game. He was really good.

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Speaker 1: Him and Daniel Jones had that third and long connection going.

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Speaker 1: He caught two touchdown passes. So there were some bright spots,

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Speaker 1: but again it was the negative stuff that just overcame

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Speaker 1: anything good that happened that led to the buss. It

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Speaker 1: reminds me a little bit of the two thousand sixteen season.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about the comparison of the roster,

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Speaker 1: but the sixteen season was a season where there were

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Speaker 1: a lot of close games, John, and the difference was

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Speaker 1: the Giants found ways to close out those games. But

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Speaker 1: we're talking about a play goes wrong here or there,

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Speaker 1: that record could look very different in two thousand sixteen,

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Speaker 1: then it turned out to be. So this is a

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Speaker 1: season now where the Giants were once again playing a

497
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Speaker 1: lot of close games. They are in it, but you're

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Speaker 1: not finding a way to close the door, whether it

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Speaker 1: be on offense or defense. And it's the same storyline

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Speaker 1: because it's the same issues that keep coming up. Pass

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00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 1: protection issues on offense, inability to run the football, and

502
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 1: these are things that are a must if you want

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Speaker 1: to put together good drives to close out a game.

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00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: And then on defense the chunk plays, the explosive plays,

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Speaker 1: and you know, also not being able to get home

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Speaker 1: and create turnovers. The turnovers have come at times, but

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Speaker 1: they haven't come consistently. And against the Jets team which

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Speaker 1: more often or not this season was asking you to

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Speaker 1: take the ball away from them, the Giants just could

510
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Speaker 1: not capitalize in that area. And that is why a

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Speaker 1: lot of Jets opponents have been able to close the

512
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Speaker 1: door on games because they've been able to get great

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Speaker 1: field position as a result of the Jets turnovers. We'll

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Speaker 1: have the next two shows and the shows early next

515
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Speaker 1: week to kind of do a first half or first

516
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Speaker 1: ten game recap. So I don't want to get into it.

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Speaker 1: But I'll just say there's one thing to build upon

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Speaker 1: what you said. Lance. The Giants are now tied for

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Speaker 1: last in the NFL with a minus twelve turnover ratio.

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Speaker 1: The other teams that they're tied with, Atlanta, lant something

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Speaker 1: wins in Atlanta have Atlanta has two wins and they're

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Speaker 1: also How am I to be Land? How many wins

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Speaker 1: his mammy has? Miami has two wins? Um Bengals are

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Speaker 1: twenty nine in the league of minus eleven lands? How

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Speaker 1: many wins the Cincinnati have since he has a donut? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And Cleveland's somebody wins this Cleveland Cleland three? Now if

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Speaker 1: I'm correct, that sounds right, and they're minus eight. You

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Speaker 1: cannot win football games when you give the ball away

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Speaker 1: and you do not take it away. And yes, that

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00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: can be random sometimes, but you identify the problems that

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Speaker 1: lead to your turnovers and your inability to take the

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Speaker 1: football away, and those are the things that you have

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Speaker 1: to try and fix, all right, right, calls five one three.

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Speaker 1: four for more details, Stephen New York will lead us

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Speaker 1: off for Steve. What's going on? Hey, guys, how are you?

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Speaker 1: We could be doing better? Steve? How are you one?

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Speaker 1: You know? I want to just start off by saying

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm positive still, and I'll tell you why you

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00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: have a very young roster. Okay, if there was an

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Speaker 1: all the roster I was doing this, I'd be sick

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Speaker 1: to my stomach at this moment. But it still doesn't

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Speaker 1: excuse anything. But it gives me a little hope, not

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Speaker 1: a lot. He Look, Steve, here's the thing. You don't

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Speaker 1: like to use youth as an excuse, but youth is

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Speaker 1: a reason. And that's how I look at it. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: And you know, so what I'm hoping is that this

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Speaker 1: will now, this year will now get us out of

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Speaker 1: that um so called when while you're rebuild type of

552
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Speaker 1: a mode and just go all in rebuild. I don't

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Speaker 1: want to see these My worrying is gentlemen in the

554
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: off season might end up paying high prices for people

555
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 1: just to get them in that the exorbitant amounts for

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Speaker 1: guys who are just overpriced, and we're not that team.

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Speaker 1: You know, we need we need to bring in a

558
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: number of guys, not one guy, and quality guys, So

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00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: you want to use the cap space, but you want

560
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: to spread it around a little bit for guys who

561
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: are like not they have some upside to them, but

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00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, they might not be proven, but they have

563
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Speaker 1: upside while we're building this roster, because Okay, I was

564
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Speaker 1: excited for two thousand and twenty, but now I'm like,

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Speaker 1: all right, well, two thousands and twenty obviously out the window.

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Speaker 1: You know, like we we built through the draft. We're

567
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Speaker 1: gonna have some good positions this year, unfortunately, and hopefully

568
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Speaker 1: we'll have with a lot of caps space and we

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Speaker 1: get some players in here that can help contribute to

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Speaker 1: a winning culture, just getting back to winning. The only

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Speaker 1: thing that kind of worries me a little is that

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Speaker 1: I don't see very much improvement throughout the year from

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Speaker 1: the young guys. You know, I understand making mistakes, and

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Speaker 1: I don't I know, you win, You hope to win

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Speaker 1: when you're as you're playing. You don't know one wants

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Speaker 1: to lose, So I get that, but like you, if

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Speaker 1: they're not winning, I want to see some kind of improvement,

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00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: you know, Like like I don't see it from the defensive.

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Speaker 1: On the defensive side of the ball, I see the

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00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: same mistakes from the same players all the time, so

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00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: that's a little worried them. But they're young yet, so

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Speaker 1: hopefully next year when they come in, everything will be better.

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Speaker 1: But my whole, my whole call was, I hope Gunman

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Speaker 1: takes this roster because I still I still have faith

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Speaker 1: in Gunman. I hope he takes this roster instead of

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Speaker 1: just dropping, you know, paying for an over priced left

587
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: tackle or something like that. Good quality guys in here

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00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: who have some upside that aren't going to cost us

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00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: a million dollars, and let's build this into a young,

590
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Speaker 1: upcoming roster. Appreciate it and you got it, Steve. I

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00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: mean the way you do that, in terms of not

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Speaker 1: putting stress on your cap is you continue to draft. Well.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the direction that makes the most sense. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you kid use your salary cap space to bring in

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Speaker 1: some guys on one or two year deals who are

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Speaker 1: good special teams players, are good complimentary pieces like a

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00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: Michael Thomas, for example, who's not sort of gonna eat

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Speaker 1: in cap space. Correct. Yeah, I mean there's nothing wrong

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Speaker 1: with that. I don't think Dave Gettleman. Just looking at

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Speaker 1: his track record in Carolina, John is the type of

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Speaker 1: general manager that just because you have the cap space

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00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: means you gotta go throw it at the wall and

603
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: hope it's stick somewhere. With some of these big prize

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Speaker 1: free agents. He just didn't do that in Carolina. And

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00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: remember he inherited one of the worst cap situations in Carolina.

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Speaker 1: He did a magnificent job and cleaning that up and

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00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: then investing in some of the young guys that they drafted.

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Speaker 1: Remember Leonard Williams you just acquired. You're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: give him a new contract, John, if you want to

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Speaker 1: retain him. So to the Kohler's point, I wouldn't be

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00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: too worrisome over that because I think they need to

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00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: take care of some present guys on the roster, and

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Speaker 1: I think Dave Geentleman is of the thought process that

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Speaker 1: the way to continue to build up the depth chart

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00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: and this team is through the draft. Now with respect

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Speaker 1: that young guys committing mistakes, keep in mind, you know

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Speaker 1: Sam Bill just got on the field, so you really

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Speaker 1: haven't seen much of him. You haven't seen much of

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Speaker 1: Corey Ballantine either, John. You know, he just took recently

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Speaker 1: over for Grant Haley has been on one of those

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Speaker 1: crowd or crossing routes though about it. But what I

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Speaker 1: guess what I'm saying is the sample size is still

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Speaker 1: very small for him. Now. DeAndre Baker has played a

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00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: lot more than these other guys. But when we say,

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Speaker 1: you know, these young guys, it's not just the young

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Speaker 1: guys making mistakes. Let's be honest. You know they're also

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Speaker 1: relying on some veterans too. No one at this point

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Speaker 1: of rookie anymore either. I mean, these guys have played

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Speaker 1: the equivalent of a full college season. They played the

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Speaker 1: equivalent of a full college season more if you count

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Speaker 1: the preseason, which a lot of these young guys played

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Speaker 1: a lot of snaps in those games. So yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: not excuse. Look, young guys aren't as good. They're not.

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Speaker 1: It's disappoint They're gonna make mistakes, of course, but that's

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Speaker 1: also not an excuse. It's a reason, but it's not

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Speaker 1: an excuse. And you get to the point where you

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Speaker 1: have to try to move past those types of mistakes.

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Speaker 1: And the one thing is Steve's plan that doesn't make

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Speaker 1: me scratch my head, But I'm not sure if he

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Speaker 1: thought it all the way through. Yeah, I want to

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Speaker 1: spend money on young guys that have it all upside,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to get him on the cheap.

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Speaker 1: You don't usually don't get on the cheap young guys

644
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Speaker 1: with a lot of upside that are unproven. Usually those

645
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: guys are held onto by their teams, or they're going

646
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: to be too expensive that they get let go by

647
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: their teams. So look, the Giants have cap space. They're

648
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: gonna try to fill some holes and they're gonna add

649
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: guys in the secondary, linebackers, maybe offensive line. Uh, they'll

650
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 1: get some help in the draft. They'll probably get a

651
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: comp pick for Landon Collins. We'll see. Uh. They obviously

652
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: lost the draft pick in at least one and maybe two.

653
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: They will they lose, will use the second one draft.

654
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: We just don't know around it's gonna be um. So

655
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 1: they'll have draft picks, see how it goes, and they'll

656
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,680
Speaker 1: have a lot of cap space. They'll use it. Yeah,

657
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: I agree, I don't think you you know, you sign

658
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: people for the stake of signing them. But look, this

659
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 1: is the third year of the regime. I mean, he said,

660
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: I hope they really now go onto a rebuild phase. Well,

661
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: what the heck has been going on in the last

662
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 1: two years. They've been retooling over the last two years.

663
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: Plus the other thing on the subject of spending money,

664
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: what has Dave Gettleman done since he's arrived John He

665
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: actually has tried to clean up the big spending spree

666
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand sixteen, right, you know, I mean a

667
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: number of those guys he's parted ways with. Jenkins is

668
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: really the only guy left. Snacks and Olivia Vernon are

669
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 1: no longer here. So I don't think his first then

670
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 1: gut feeling would be, well, all that money I freed up,

671
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: Now let's spend it all. I think they understand what

672
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: the way injuries have played out, it's useful to have

673
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: some spending money during the course of the season, and

674
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: the draft is the best way to go about your business.

675
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: Like I said, that's how Carolina retooled its rosters. So

676
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: that to me is the wisest game plan. But you know,

677
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: but look, I think next year people will be looking

678
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: for significant improvement, Like, you're not gonna go next year. Yeah,

679
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: we're you know, we're okay, losing all the games. We're

680
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: in the middle of rebuild. Still you're in your three

681
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: that's when things that have started happening here a little

682
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: bit and saying, well, I agree with you, John, but

683
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: I also think it's when things need to start happening

684
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: in terms of your previous to draft classes. Well, that's

685
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: the thing. You combine their progress with who you added

686
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 1: for agency. You need both of those to converge. Absolutely.

687
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,479
Speaker 1: But and what I mean by you need those draft classes,

688
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: it's on the players. Okay, it's not just on the

689
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: front of it. It's time for the players to show

690
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: either you deliver or they're gonna go in a different direction.

691
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: The training wheels are taken off once you get into

692
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: year three. Now it's time to ride the bike with

693
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: the big boys, because nobody's gonna be there with the swimmy's,

694
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: so you know, you gotta jump into the deep end.

695
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: Training wheels are off. You can mix all the metaphors exactly.

696
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean by saying that that now

697
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: this cluster of young guys, Okay, you've had the sample size,

698
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: you've been tested. Now we want to see the consistency.

699
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 1: I think that's a big part of the mindset for

700
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: the front off. Let's go to line to and say

701
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: what's up to D in Atlanta? D? What's up? Hey?

702
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 1: How you doing? What's up? Date? Much? Um? Yeah, kind

703
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: of hit on what I wanted to talk about. The

704
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: phase three like Pad talked about. There, go ahead, D.

705
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: What do you got? All? Right ahead? It's fine? Yeah? Well, UM,

706
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: I agree with you all, and you know it's like

707
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: your training wheels a phase three, we gotta see something improvement.

708
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: But I do have a question, Um, since we're gonna

709
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: we're gonna have cap phase, what do you think uh

710
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: them would try to address in year three? As far

711
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: as good question? Um, I think inside linebacker is a

712
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: spot you look at that you have to get better.

713
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: At the middle of that defense has been an issue. Um.

714
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: I think depending you know on what happens at corner.

715
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: If you Noor's Jenkins is back, maybe you don't have

716
00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: to and you look at the progress of the young guys.

717
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: But I think you can never have enough defensive back,

718
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: So I think you look in that direction. Offensively, I

719
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: think you still need to bolster the offensive line, but

720
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: I think I would prefer to do that through the draft,

721
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: to be quite honest with you, because to me, you

722
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 1: have some veterans here that when they're healthy, they you know,

723
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: they do a good enough job. Not a good enough

724
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: job the last few weeks, but in general, I think

725
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: they they do a good enough job. So I think

726
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:48,040
Speaker 1: you try to draft some younger offensive linemen to build behind.

727
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Remember Remors and Solder there. You know they aren't young

728
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 1: guys there. You know there aren't like you know, in

729
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: their second third year here, So you have to start

730
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: building behind those two offensive tackles to groom their eventual

731
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: replacements here. Um, that's where I would look. I'm not

732
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: that concerned with skill positions offensively. I think Golden Tate

733
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: has been wonderful. I think he's done a great job.

734
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: You hope Sterling Shepherd gets back from the concussion. Ingram

735
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: when he's healthy is a good player. Barkley is good.

736
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: So I would think offensive line, inside, linebacker, defensive back,

737
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: and then I left the most important one for last,

738
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: edge rusher. You need someone that can consistently put pressure

739
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: on the defense off the edge. They have Dexter, Lawrence, B. J. Hill, Tomlinson,

740
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: and Leonard Williams inside. They don't need any more. Defensive tackles.

741
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: You're good, but you need a guy to pressure off

742
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: the edge, So that might be your top pick in

743
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 1: the draft or your big money, uh investment in free agency.

744
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: If you're gonna spend big or use a top pick

745
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: on one spot, I think it's pass rusher. Yeah, to

746
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: compliment Marcus Golden, so that you know you have a

747
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: nice one to punch, because Golden, to me, has been

748
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: a nice investment. He's produced consistently. He's a free agent.

749
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: Two next, yes, so you know that's another guy like

750
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams. If you're interested in retaining his services, John,

751
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: you gotta keep him. Remembers you brought up. Remembers is

752
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: due to be a free agent, so you know there's

753
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: no guarantee he's gonna be here. More of a reason

754
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: why you want to go in a younger direction with

755
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 1: the offensive line. You know, Antoine Bethet is another guy

756
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: who also, you know, no guarantee because he was on

757
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: a one year veteran deals. So Patrimmer didn't mention Julian

758
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: Love as potentially again some time at safety by the

759
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: end of the year today on his conference call. By

760
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: the way, and I would throw the safety position in

761
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 1: with the defensive back conversation only because of the structure

762
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: of some of these veterans contracts, they just may move

763
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: on in a different directions. So based on that, just

764
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: the default answer would be adding a veteran corner to

765
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: complement some of the younger guys, and another option at safety,

766
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 1: I think is something that Dave Gentleman could very well

767
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: look into, considering you don't have a lot of guys

768
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: on long term deals at that spot. Okay, and one

769
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: more question, I'll take it off the air. Do you

770
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: think could be our number one receiver next year thanks

771
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 1: to the call? Let's not make it a number one yet.

772
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: How about we see him be consistent enough to be

773
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 1: your study number two? Yeah, I think the promised there

774
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: and that should be the most encouraging aspect. And here's

775
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,399
Speaker 1: the thing with one two, you need three solid wide receivers, John,

776
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: in this league. I don't care how you want to

777
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: number them. You need three guys. You could say we're

778
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: gonna line them up and we're gonna have faith that

779
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 1: those guys could take care of business. It's no coincidence

780
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: with respect to the Cowboys will stay in the division. Okay,

781
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 1: They went out, they acquired to Marie Cooper, they drafted

782
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, and they also brought in Randall Cobb because

783
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: they knew that in this league, in order to spread

784
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: those corners out wide in those safeties, you need three

785
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: reliable wide receivers. So I would say the giants on

786
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 1: paper have them. I like the nucleus of Tate, Slayden,

787
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,479
Speaker 1: and Shepherd. The problem is, you know what's gonna happen

788
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: with Shepherd and the concussions. You know, Sladen you know

789
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: is gonna be here, and Golden Tate you know, was

790
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: signed to to be a promising aspect of the offense.

791
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: It's just you can never predict the injury bug John.

792
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 1: So you know they have the potential there. You hope

793
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 1: everybody returns to full health, but stop focusing on a

794
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 1: one or two. You need three guys period. I don't

795
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: care how you want to rank them. You need three now.

796
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: Slaane has more of the body tie and the physical

797
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: skills to be that X wide receiver rather than you know,

798
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 1: Shepherd and Tate. They're kind of in that Z role.

799
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: Whether you're about six ft tall pounds, yeah, Slain is

800
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: the high end speed, taller, contested catch guy, which is

801
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: what you more think of when you're talking about X receivers.

802
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: So Um, I see him from that perspective, But I mean,

803
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: do I know that Darius Slayton is gonna become a

804
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: guy that's gonna catch ninety balls for you for yards

805
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: in a year. No, I think we're a little ahead

806
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,440
Speaker 1: of ourselves there. I love his promise. He's got the

807
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: speed for it. He's shown separation contested catches, He's shown

808
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: that in flashes. Remember, he also played the worst game

809
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 1: of his career in the gaming his Dallas on Monday night.

810
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: So let's get some consistency before we start putting him

811
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: up on the pedestal. Joe in Pennsylvania, He's up next. Joe, Hey, hi,

812
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: you guys. I could I couldn't stomach this one here

813
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: because there wasn't a million below assignment and you could

814
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,439
Speaker 1: see what what what happened, Like the big play where

815
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: we lost. We gave him the rush and he took

816
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: the ball in on a touchdown, and then the big

817
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: pass play. Baker gave up on that play. I think

818
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 1: he got a hand to the face of his face

819
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: mask before you know on that one too. But the

820
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: pass interference call would have turned around. Wait, Joe, are

821
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: you talking about the pass interference call? Is that what

822
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 1: you're saying on Baker, I mean what I saw is

823
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: I saw both guys hold each other's shoulder pads. That

824
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: was what I saw. I didn't see any hand to

825
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: the face. I mean, you could certainly argue there was

826
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: a little touching of the shoulder pads both simultaneously. They

827
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: were guilty of that. But as John and I mentioned,

828
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: when you don't turn your head around and you make

829
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: no attempt to see where the ball is, you're basically

830
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: giving a gift to the refs to not bail you out.

831
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: I agree there, and I think that was the best

832
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: ref game from all season. Oh my gosh, soho is

833
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: complimenting the officials. We congratulations, you turned the corner. You

834
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: turned the corner, Joe, We're gonna plays you know. We

835
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: went to review and everything, and it was obvious that

836
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: that it should have been turned around. We didn't have that.

837
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: But but Noah, look how good Daniel Jones played. And

838
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: we didn't have no running game. They had four guys

839
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: basically running rushing the past or now and then the

840
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: the their linebackers or safeties with blitz in. And besides that,

841
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: they were in coverage. If we had any type of

842
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: a running game for him. You know, that's the thing

843
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 1: that we fall behind. I don't know what happened there,

844
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: four team or nothing. It seemed like the defense, the

845
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 1: defensive backs were and up on them as much on

846
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: their receiver and and then later in the game, especially

847
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: if they would played like that they did later in

848
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 1: the second quarter, in the last two quarters, you know,

849
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: it might have been a different game. You know, But

850
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: if we could only get a running game there, and

851
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: that's definitely, you know, because they there was no effect

852
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: at all to you know, and all I had to

853
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: do with send them four guys up there, so they're

854
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: whoever their defensive wine coaches in them gaps and stuff

855
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: like that. He is really good, you know what I mean.

856
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: And let's give me some The Jets are in the

857
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 1: same boat we are. And uh, you know what I mean.

858
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: They beat ows, so they're they're just not a chump

859
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: team here. They can jump up on anybody, nobody, and

860
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: nobody should be overlooked. How many fielding calls did we

861
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: have in and appreciate the call, Joe, you know, the Cardinals,

862
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: the Lions or the schedule is going to open up.

863
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: I actually thought Jabrill Peppers that He's been saying this

864
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: phrase every single week. For those of you who may

865
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: pay attention to the postgame pressers and some of the

866
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,440
Speaker 1: interviews in the locker room that we do, he's been

867
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: saying this every week, and he's been on point. It

868
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: sounds like a trite statement, John, but he says, it's

869
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: all about execution. On that given day, you could take

870
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: the worst team in the league. You can play the

871
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 1: best team in the league. Casing point, the Fouls played

872
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: the Saints yesterday. Okay, the Falcons lost six in a row.

873
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: The Saints had won six in a row, and the

874
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: Falcons won to nine. And if you watch Atlanta play

875
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: all these weeks, you'd be like, how does that happen?

876
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,359
Speaker 1: New Orleans has been one of the hottest teams. Drew

877
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 1: Brees just came back their defensive back. Yeah. I mean,

878
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 1: you got all of the things in a momentum standpoint

879
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: going your way for the Saints and they wind up

880
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: losing in a lopside of Game nine. So it's the

881
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: same thing. You don't come, you don't execute, you turn

882
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: the bowl over, you don't have a running game, You

883
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 1: commit penalties when you can at least afford to do

884
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: that you don't protect the quarterback. Yeah, you're gonna lose

885
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: to the Jets. Whether the Jets have won seven games

886
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: or they've won one game, it makes no difference. Cliches

887
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: are cliches because often times they are true. That's absolutely correct.

888
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,720
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890
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891
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Speaker 1: four for more details, Let's go to Lennon, Columbia, Maryland. Hello, Land,

892
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 1: How you doing, guys? Could be better? That's a bad team,

893
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 1: ain badly, guys, that's a bad roster and they're not

894
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: playing very well. It's hard to lose six games in

895
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: a row. It's hard, and it could quickly turn into

896
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 1: nine given the next three opponents, nine nine, nine losses

897
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 1: in a row. And we're looking at all time history

898
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: of the Giants six. I don't know how many times

899
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: six has happened, maybe only six times. But this this

900
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: is not a good team. You know that given given

901
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: the injuries that happened, you know, before the game, and

902
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: the injuries that happened during the game yesterday. Um that

903
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: that team we put on the field in the fourth quarter,

904
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: and it showed. I mean, I think Lance said, what

905
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: two first sounds out of the last five possessions and

906
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: the Jets driving down the field four team points, third

907
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: team points, whatever it was in the second in the

908
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: fourth quarter, that that was akin to an expansion team.

909
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: Kin to an expansion team we had on the field yesterday.

910
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: And what's out of the ball. On offense, you're talking

911
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: about both sides, both sides, the defense. I mean, hold on,

912
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

913
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, that's okay. You On defense, you have a

914
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: first round picking, Dexter Lawrence, the first round picking, Leonard Williams,

915
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: Marcus Golden's got six sacks on the year. DeAndre Baker

916
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 1: is the first round pick. Do you know Iris Jenkins

917
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: was the first round pick. Bil Peppers was the first

918
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: round pick. I'll go what you was the first round pick?

919
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,319
Speaker 1: It was not an expansion team. Listen, the last three,

920
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: the last three guys you mentioned, we're expansion picks years ago,

921
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: like we just picked them. I don't know. I mean,

922
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 1: come on, Peppers, purpose is a good player. I'm not

923
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: knocking Peppers, but yeah, you know, we got a couple

924
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: of guys there but how do you lose six in

925
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: a row? I mean, six in a row is hard. No, No,

926
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing that part of it. But I just

927
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 1: don't want to take when you say it's an expansion

928
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: team out there, I feel like you're trying to take

929
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: the blame off the players. Well, um, and and that's

930
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: not fair because they're not doing their jobs. No, no,

931
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,800
Speaker 1: they're not. And and let me let me is it

932
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: okay to make a prediction this early before the season

933
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: is over? I mean, we've got six games to go

934
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: here of the season left. I gotta make a prediction anyway, John,

935
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: we got six offensive lineman on our roster right now,

936
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, ten offensive lineman on our roussa right now.

937
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: Six of them won't be in the league next year.

938
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: By the way, Len I, I do have a question

939
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: for you. I know you want to kind of. I

940
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: know you're not the big Hallapeo guy. Let me tell

941
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: you something. I hope that I bet you about the

942
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: third quarter, I said you were praying John Hallapeal was

943
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,959
Speaker 1: back in that game based on how Spencer Pully played

944
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: because he did not play well. Well, I'll say, John,

945
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: you get now listen, And Lance listen closely, please, I'm

946
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 1: gonna say what I've said for the last three weeks.

947
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: The best center on this team is Sean Hallapel. Now

948
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: that's not a ringing endorsement of John Hallapel. You understand

949
00:44:59,080 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: who the other two guys are. Yeah, Halapeo and I

950
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: hope he gets healthy quick. He's he's a little better.

951
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: He's a little better than the other two guys. But

952
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: that's that's that's not the answer. John Hallipeo is not

953
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: the answer on that offensive line. That that that's gonna be.

954
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's gonna be a you know, it's going

955
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: to be a huge change. Um, if you're going to

956
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: run against the running game, let me spend a few

957
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: seconds on the running game. If you're gonna run against

958
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 1: the three four defense, you gotta get I've been saying

959
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: this for years. You gotta get the nose tackle blocked.

960
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, mcclindon was killing us. You can't, you can't,

961
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: You're not gonna It starts if you're playing a three

962
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 1: four defense, It starts with getting that nose tackle block,

963
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,839
Speaker 1: not the outside guys. The know you block that guy

964
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 1: first or you're dead in the water. That we were

965
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 1: dead in the water, a lot of penets. Racully couldn't

966
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: hit a lot. He was hanging on pull, he was

967
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 1: hanging on, hanging on, hanging onto Hernandez, hanging on to Zeitler,

968
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: hanging on for himself. I mean, yeah, yeah, okay, what

969
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: the heck is going on with with with this first quarter?

970
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is no longer get wasn't that something

971
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: in the first quarter? This has turned into a trend. Guys,

972
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: what's going on in the first quarter? Five of the

973
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: last six games they've treild by double digits before they've

974
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,479
Speaker 1: even scored points. Thanks for that one. Well, I'm just telling,

975
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: just saying, that's that's a great number to talk about,

976
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: because it gets back to this. It's no longer an

977
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: isolated incident trend. What is this? And then the funny

978
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: thing is that for the first I think the John's

979
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: are the only team to score a touchdown or score

980
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: on their first drive of the game the first four

981
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: or five weeks of the year. So it's a trend

982
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:57,320
Speaker 1: that started after they began the year getting off the

983
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: great start. So I don't I don't have an answer, boy,

984
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: I really don't. And and and the weirdness is in

985
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, we getting tired. I don't know what

986
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: the answer is, but again it's it's that first thing.

987
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: I mean, look at those middle two quarters. I said

988
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: of the only touchdown was that weird played by Adams.

989
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: It wasn't a weird play. It was a great player,

990
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: but it was the play by Adams. But the first quarter,

991
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: in the fourth quarter, I mean, it was you know,

992
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: it was bad nose. I not not related to that.

993
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 1: You know what happens at the front the front end

994
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 1: of what happens at the back end of the thing.

995
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got six games left. What do we do?

996
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: We gotta do something, guys, I mean and and and

997
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: after all pros on the street. I'm not suggesting we're

998
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: gonna turn over the roster before our next game against

999
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: the Bears, But what what are we gonna do. We

1000
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: can't go to Chicago and do and play Chicago the

1001
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,879
Speaker 1: way we planned on playing the Jets. I mean, we're

1002
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: gonna get run out of that stadium. What you got

1003
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: any idea? I have no idea. I'm telling you, I'm lost.

1004
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 1: I look. But by the way, I like your assessment

1005
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: of the of the front three, and I like when

1006
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 1: we played three guys. There not four guys. I like

1007
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: when we played I thought Thomason had a very good

1008
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: game yesterday he did very good game, and Williams and

1009
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: Lawrence faded a little bit as we got to the

1010
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: end of the game. I don't know, maybe the maybe

1011
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:18,680
Speaker 1: the kids getting tired. I don't know what to say,

1012
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: but big boy, you got any ideas? I mean, what

1013
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: are we doing well? I think I think Number one,

1014
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 1: you want this team to slowly move in the direction

1015
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 1: of full health. You know they they've been beat up

1016
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:36,080
Speaker 1: at a variety of different places. You hope Evan Ingram,

1017
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: you know, finds a way to get back for the

1018
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 1: final six games. You know that would be a start.

1019
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: Perhaps Sterling Shepherd gets back on the field. They fairly optimistic,

1020
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, I correct, And Pat Shermer continues to emphasize

1021
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: on the conference call that he had with the media

1022
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 1: earlier today that you know, he's still in concussion protocol,

1023
00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: but we're keeping him involved in practice and so forth,

1024
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 1: so that at least is encouraging. So those are two

1025
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: offensive weapons you'd like to see on the field around

1026
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones with Darius Slaydon, with Golden Tae. You hope say,

1027
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: Kwan Barkley now has two weeks to you know, continue

1028
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 1: to recover from that high ankle sprain that he is

1029
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: not that far removed from dealing with also the offensive line. Okay,

1030
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: you know Nate Solder. Will he be able to get

1031
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: out of concussion protocol by the time the Chicago game

1032
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,920
Speaker 1: comes along, John Hallapel will see what happens with his

1033
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: hamstring remmers in the back with Leonard Floyd and Clil

1034
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: mac waiting, Well, those tackles back and you know the

1035
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: other thing, protect the football. I mean, can you go

1036
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: can you can you go through a game where you

1037
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: don't turn the ball over the Giants having that one

1038
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 1: of those yet this year, can you go through a

1039
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: game where you don't give the ball away? One? And

1040
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, you know who isn't a good

1041
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: team to play when you're trying not to give the

1042
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 1: ball away? The Bears? Yeah, Because as much as the

1043
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: Bears have struggled this year, and they have twelve takeaways,

1044
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: it's ranked about thirteenth in the league. But last year

1045
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: they were a takeaway machine and they scored touchdowns off

1046
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: of those tables and look their records. Not this dame

1047
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: to ship right. Their defense is still really really really

1048
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: really really good, still really good. So that's gonna be

1049
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: tough sledding. And you know what, can you shut down

1050
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: mits Rabitsky? He's been a nightmare this year. I know,

1051
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: I know he threw for three touchdowns yesterday. I don't

1052
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 1: even think he went for two yards though, if I'm

1053
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: not mistaken, it was like one eighty or something like that.

1054
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: Can you you know the Bears offense, let's be let's

1055
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: quote like it is. The Bears offense has been a

1056
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,520
Speaker 1: mess this year. It has been a mess. The problem

1057
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: is that, you know, the Giants have been to get

1058
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: right game for a lot of teams, John, And that's

1059
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: why it's not an ideal matchup to your point, because

1060
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: you can't protect the football. You're going up against a

1061
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,799
Speaker 1: team that's hungry for even more takeaways because I don't

1062
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 1: think they've been nearly as opportunistic as they were last year.

1063
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, their takeaways are respectable, it's not terrible,

1064
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: but I mean last year we were talking about three

1065
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: to four a game, for example. They have twelve through

1066
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: there there by, yet they did right, I believe the

1067
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: Bears have had so the Bears, they played nine games,

1068
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: they have twelve takeaways. Last year in sixteen games, they

1069
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 1: thirty six. Yeah, I mean it was the rate that

1070
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: they were taking the ball away was in say plus.

1071
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: Like I said, they also were scoring touchdowns. They finished

1072
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: with about like six or seven defensive scores. So back

1073
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: to the point here, that's why that's not an ideal matchup.

1074
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: From the defensive standpoint, and then from the offensive standpoint,

1075
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: you look at the Bears and they have not lit

1076
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: up the scoreboard. But John, the Jets weren't lighting up

1077
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: the scoreboard either. No, the Jets were averaging a fewer

1078
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 1: points per game than the Bears were. Jets for averaging

1079
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 1: twelve points a game. And if you two and if

1080
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,720
Speaker 1: you take away the defensive touchdowns are average nine points

1081
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: per games. So you know, I hate to laugh, but

1082
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: providing some perspective here, I really don't want to hear

1083
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: this is a layup line again. I was so tired

1084
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 1: of hearing that all season. Oh, don't worry, the schedule

1085
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: is gonna open up. This is gonna be great. Yeah,

1086
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: It's all comes down to execution. You gotta play well.

1087
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: You have to play well. The Giants if they want

1088
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: to win games. I don't care who they're playing. They

1089
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: have to play well and they have not played well enough.

1090
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: And I want to say one of the things, real quick, lens. Yeah,

1091
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: unless you have a point on this subject, you want

1092
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: to be a real quick. Well. The only other point,

1093
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 1: real quick that I was gonna mention is Bears Packers

1094
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: goals is the first three games of the final six,

1095
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: two of which are on the road. Yes, that's all

1096
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: I was going to say. Bears and Eagles and the

1097
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 1: Giants history against the Eagles on Monday night football is

1098
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: not good, not pretty, not good. Yes, I do think

1099
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: the Packers are due for a regression. I think that's

1100
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: a sneaky though. I mean Aaron Rodgers storing against US.

1101
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: Never mind, um, most I gonna say, I don't want

1102
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,560
Speaker 1: to give the defense too much credit for, you know,

1103
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,839
Speaker 1: settling down, because they should have given up an ad

1104
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,520
Speaker 1: R touchdown pass in the second quarter. Donald and the

1105
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: Jets first drive of the second quarter, on a first

1106
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: and ten, they run a flee flicker Vincent Vincent Smith,

1107
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,800
Speaker 1: not the former linebacker Vincent Smith. Vincent Smith who spells

1108
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: his name with a y. Does that the audacity of

1109
00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: that individual? What we're his parents thinking? But anyway, they

1110
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: are audacious. He runs his deep post runs right past

1111
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: Baker and Bethet wherever seen this before, and you should

1112
00:52:56,239 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: have been a touchdown, but Donald overthrown by about a yard.

1113
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: It was okay pass which just a little strong, and

1114
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,879
Speaker 1: that should have been another big play for the Jet,

1115
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: So you know, didn't even really stop him on that drive.

1116
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: The Jet stopped themselves. Yeah, I think that that It

1117
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 1: was a huge turning point where you were like, wow,

1118
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 1: the Giants dodged the bullet. Let's see if they could

1119
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 1: regroup though and take advantage of that. And they did.

1120
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:17,359
Speaker 1: They scored it. That's when they got the thirty nine

1121
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: touchdown past the Slayton on the next drive where the

1122
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: three nine yard was that the slant when the guy

1123
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: fell down on the one on one coverage trying I

1124
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: think that made I think that was the w was Beau.

1125
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: His first touchdown was the one. The other when they

1126
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 1: protected Jones forever and he threw the short pass and

1127
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: then correct. The other one was when Slayton ran the

1128
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 1: incut and the defensive back fell down then he ran

1129
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: for the long touch part. And by the way, how

1130
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: about the blocking on the Slaton's on the Golden Tate screen.

1131
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 1: He had about four good blocks in front of him.

1132
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: He went untouched sixty yards for a touchdown. Great blocking there.

1133
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: It is laid out to be executed that way, and

1134
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: they did perfect, perfect execution well. And one of the

1135
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: things that stuck out last year was the ability for

1136
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: wide receivers to aid the rushing attack for se Kwon

1137
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,560
Speaker 1: Barkley and get to that second layer. You know that also,

1138
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 1: I would say, has been missing to a certain to go.

1139
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: Here's the problem. What has Barkley gotten to the second

1140
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: lay in the last three weeks. But I mean, I honestly,

1141
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,320
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to be funny. I'm being serious. Like,

1142
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 1: if he can't get past the defensive line, the linebackers,

1143
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,480
Speaker 1: if the receiver's blocking a safety twenty yards down the field,

1144
00:54:25,520 --> 00:54:27,280
Speaker 1: who the hell could tell Yeah, you're not gonna benefit.

1145
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: But I guess what I'm saying is, even with some

1146
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,959
Speaker 1: of the screen passes that we've seen throughout the course

1147
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: of this season, that's where you at least get the

1148
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: pass towards the second layer and then immediately the guy

1149
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: has broke down. But yes, I would agree with you

1150
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: yesterday there were a number of times just as the

1151
00:54:42,640 --> 00:54:46,040
Speaker 1: handoff was going into Barkley's hands. There was penetration into

1152
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: the backfield, and to Len's point, a lot of times

1153
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: it was up the middle. He's right, two, four, five

1154
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 1: on three, We've got three more calls. Was get them

1155
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: all in? You know. Charlie was up next, but then

1156
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 1: he dropped and he came back. It's not a bad thing.

1157
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: So should I move him to the end of the

1158
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: line or absolutely, that's the punishment. Okay. We don't make

1159
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 1: excuses for phone lines. Execution. That's the name of the game.

1160
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: Even on this show. Peter isn't a place that I

1161
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: would love to be in a few days during the

1162
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 1: bye week, and that's the Florida Keys. Hey, Pete, I

1163
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,640
Speaker 1: hate you. You're the worst. I'm not complaining. I love

1164
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: forty degree weather show. That's okay. What's up? Hey? A

1165
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 1: couple of quick things out of question and then a

1166
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:29,080
Speaker 1: request guys i'd like to turn out. Thank you very

1167
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: much both for you guys. Actually a little stat because

1168
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: fans are frustrated. We know the giants organizations frustrated and

1169
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: calling you guys helping us and jumping off the ledge.

1170
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: We really appreciate it. Thank you. We appreciate well. And

1171
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 1: by the way, you're welcome to all you guys out

1172
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: there that are sticking with the team and are still

1173
00:55:48,280 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: engaged with the content because it's tough. We know when

1174
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: the teams not wanting it's hard. We appreciate you sticking

1175
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,000
Speaker 1: with us, and we hope we're entertaining you a little bit. Well,

1176
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: I sure here for the Dolphins. That's supposedly my local team. Now, so,

1177
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,200
Speaker 1: so a couple of quick things for you. Um the

1178
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: first question I had, and I apologize if somebody asked this, Um,

1179
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,800
Speaker 1: I missed a part of the show at the beginning

1180
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 1: of the show, Alexa, he missed three extra points in

1181
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: the last three games. Is there something physically wrong within

1182
00:56:19,239 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: has Jeff Eagles or has anybody addressed? Is this just

1183
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: a mental thing? What's what's the deal with him? Next time? Yeah? Look, yeah,

1184
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:30,520
Speaker 1: I think you should be concerned. And Bob Popa said

1185
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:32,320
Speaker 1: on the radio broadcast, I'm sure he didn't hear it,

1186
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: but he was watching him in pregame warmups and he

1187
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: was missing kicks all over the place. Um, yeah, I

1188
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 1: mean it was just a situation where look, the first

1189
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: one was on his fall. It was a bad staff

1190
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: from DIAC. They tried to get to two point conversion,

1191
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: they get the offensive pass interference call, which I thought

1192
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: was an okay call. Uh, then he's kicking a forty

1193
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: three yards extra point. Why I left or right? I

1194
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: don't remember which one it was. And look, he's missed

1195
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: way too many kicks that you maybe don't expect to

1196
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: be automatic, but you expect him to make them consistently,

1197
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: and there's been too many instances the last few weeks.

1198
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 1: He'll be the first one to tell you that he

1199
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: needs to make a higher percentage of these kicks, and

1200
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: he's walking around. Look if there's something physically wrong with him,

1201
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:12,960
Speaker 1: he's done an excellent job hiding it because I have

1202
00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:15,600
Speaker 1: not noticed anything that would indicate to me that he's injured.

1203
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: When Thomas mcgahey, the special team's coach, spoke to the

1204
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: media the other day, he was asked about this and said,

1205
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: you know, Rosas has such a strong leg that one

1206
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: of the things they're trying to teach him is ninety

1207
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: for him is like sixty for everybody else. So he

1208
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: sort of needs to get a good grasp of how

1209
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 1: to utilize his power because he has such a strong leg.

1210
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 1: So you know that I think has been somewhat of

1211
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: a battle. So too many times he's hitting the driver

1212
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: when he should be hitting the pitching if you, if

1213
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: you want to use a golf analogy that that was

1214
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: one of the things that Thomas mcgahey brought up. You know.

1215
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: The other thing is, you know, getting into a place

1216
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: where you're consistent in your form, and not to make excuses,

1217
00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 1: but let's be honest. Rosas has not had a lot

1218
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: of coortunities for field goals this year. I know we're

1219
00:58:01,600 --> 00:58:04,920
Speaker 1: talking about extra points, but you know, kickers, you get

1220
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: into a flow based on the volume that hasn't necessarily

1221
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:09,959
Speaker 1: been there. The other aspect is, and I was talking

1222
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: to Jeff yesterday and what do you snaps need to

1223
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: be cleaned up a little bit from Zach Deasy in

1224
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 1: terms of, you know, being more in sync with Riley

1225
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: Dixon little bit all over the place, a little bit inconsistent.

1226
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 1: So that to me is another aspect that I think

1227
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 1: has impacted the field goal and the extra points. Great,

1228
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: thanks for the explanation, guys, appreciate it. The other the

1229
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 1: other thing I had was a softer questions. You know,

1230
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: I've been a Giants fan for almost twenty years and

1231
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:43,439
Speaker 1: sure the only person I really knew leading this team

1232
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: as Eli Manning. Let's be realistic, Dander Jones, this potentially

1233
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 1: is flies last year. I don't think they're gonna pay

1234
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,840
Speaker 1: somebody seventeen million dollars to back up dander Zones moving forward.

1235
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: Is it possible, and I asked this with all sincerity,

1236
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: is it possibly to the request Eli Manning to sit

1237
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 1: in with because we could similar respect to him. And

1238
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I'm probably gonna when he doesn't

1239
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 1: need hang it up. No, I appreciate it. Yeah, thanks

1240
00:59:15,680 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 1: for the question. And you know what, if Eli does

1241
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 1: decide to retire after the year, I have no idea

1242
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: what he's thinking. If he wants to play for another team. Um,

1243
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,400
Speaker 1: we could try. I mean, all we can do is ask.

1244
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Eli would love to hear from

1245
00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: the fans. You know, I'm sure it'll be busy, but

1246
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: we can make the attempt. You know, we can put

1247
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 1: the Tino next to him as the Tino sweats profusely

1248
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 1: next to him as he has him on the air.

1249
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: But I was just kidding. If we love Paul, you

1250
00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: know that. But um, yeah, look, we could try and

1251
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 1: you know, maybe if we wanted to do it. I

1252
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: don't know. He usually says yes to everything, so he's

1253
00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: the best. But I think, you know, it all depends

1254
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 1: on his mindset, you know, and what he's thinking and

1255
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 1: so forth. He's also a guy that might be like

1256
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: those guys, let me just have my press conference. He

1257
00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: might be maybe he doesn't even want to have a

1258
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: press conference. I don't know. Maybe he just wants to quietly,

1259
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 1: you know, right off in the sunset. Who else, I

1260
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 1: don't know. They was gonna want handle what every wants

1261
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 1: to handle. It is fine by me. The way he's

1262
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: handles is off here that you can't really you know,

1263
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 1: you can't really complain about it. Ian in Florida, he's

1264
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: up next day. Hey guys, Um, first of all, uh,

1265
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 1: it's it's really sad and no offense. But when you

1266
01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: guys are more entertaining to me this year, in the

1267
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: past probably six out of the seven years, all your

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Speaker 1: content that you guys do on the site and the app,

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01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,640
Speaker 1: uh than what what's the product that's on the field

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Speaker 1: right now? Um, I think that we were exactly what

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Speaker 1: the Jets take that bad at needed. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's I'm almost thirty nine. I've been a Giants fan

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01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: my whole life, and its just are it's just r

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Speaker 1: M O to just make bad teams look great. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's sad that we're gonna be picking before the Miami

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Speaker 1: Dolphins this year. No, not that you don't know that,

1277
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Speaker 1: you don't um, Okay, but it'll be close. It's it's

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Speaker 1: looking good. And I'm actually looking forward to the draft

1279
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Speaker 1: because this is the third year in a row and

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Speaker 1: again six out of seven years that I'm looking more

1281
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Speaker 1: forward to the draft then on Sundays. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know you guys, you guys, it's a thing called

1283
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: vantage point. I think you guys are just a little

1284
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: too close to the team because if you take a

1285
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 1: little step back and see what us the fans are seeing,

1286
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Speaker 1: it's just sad. It's it's really you know, what do

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Speaker 1: you think? No, no, quick, what do you think you

1288
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,960
Speaker 1: guys are seeing that we're not well? I feel like

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Speaker 1: the youth keeps getting talked about and our young guys,

1290
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Speaker 1: and it's covering over our vets. It's covering over our

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Speaker 1: highest paid players. It's covering over Nate Soldier. It's called

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Speaker 1: covering over alec Ogletree. Gen Orri's Jenkins. It's covering over

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01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:51,280
Speaker 1: our highest plate paid players that are not producing, and

1294
01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:54,440
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really sad. It's really sad to see

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01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: that our highest paid players are not producing. And and

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Speaker 1: we are not going to argue there are vets on

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01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: this team that have not played well enough this year

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01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: to help the team win. We would not argue that

1299
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: point with you. Yeah, and I even said that earlier

1300
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: in the program. I said, it's not just the young guys,

1301
01:02:08,840 --> 01:02:11,720
Speaker 1: it's also the veterans as a big part of the conversation.

1302
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 1: But you know, you also need to put things in

1303
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,640
Speaker 1: perspective that when Nate Solder goes out and you put

1304
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: in Eric Smith, I think maybe you start to appreciate

1305
01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 1: what Nate Solder actually brings to the table. Because then

1306
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:24,440
Speaker 1: if your answer is to get rid of Nate's Solder,

1307
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: what's planned B who's going to replace him? And how

1308
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: is that guy gonna execute? You know, that's a big

1309
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: part of the story too. I I and I'm with

1310
01:02:31,160 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: you on that. And that's why I'm not necessarily talking

1311
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: just on this last game him. I'm talking. I'm talking

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01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: in general over the whole season. Um, I just you

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01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:45,880
Speaker 1: know padding cooking, uh geentleman's groceries right now? And I

1314
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: see no discipline. I see um, I see no accountability.

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01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: He says that it's not acceptable for turnovers. But where

1316
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: is the progress? Where is the change? Daniel Jones has

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01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: played a bunch of games now and it's still and

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01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: I understand Jamal Adams made a heck of a play

1319
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Speaker 1: and Barkley, don't get get me started on that. I

1320
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: think the poison from Odell is going to start seeping

1321
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: in on him now. I think there's he's quitting on

1322
01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: this O line. I think I think that's a bit

1323
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 1: of hyper I'm not being emotional. I'm really starting to

1324
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: see some things from Barkley that I kind of like

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01:03:19,840 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: was actually fearful for because I think that he's such

1326
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: good friends with O'Dell and I think they I think

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01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: you saw it was the Lions game with the lack

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01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:32,240
Speaker 1: of hustle going against Devin Kinnard. Uh you see the

1329
01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: poor blocking in the past pro Like, I'm just saying,

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Speaker 1: it's just sad. I'd see no discipline and I can't

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01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: believe we can't. It's just so sad that we can't

1332
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Speaker 1: get a top coach to coach our New York Football Giants,

1333
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 1: and I'll listen to your thoughts. Thank you. I appreciate

1334
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 1: the car Um. I think you're looking too deep into Barkley,

1335
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: as he played well the last few weeks. No, we're

1336
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 1: not gonna argue that he has. But again, I do

1337
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: think you know some of that's injury related. He and

1338
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: he voluntarily took blame for the Lion to play that

1339
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 1: he didn't go after the ball hard enough. He I

1340
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: think he might have brought up an own after the

1341
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: game before he's even asked about on the post game,

1342
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 1: so he certainly took responsive. Yeah. Absolutely, so, Yeah, I

1343
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: mean I think you're trying to dig a little bit

1344
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:14,560
Speaker 1: too deep there. Trust me Barkley as someone who deals

1345
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: with him on a daily basis, He's still he's still

1346
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 1: a really good kid. It's not that's not what you're saying.

1347
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,880
Speaker 1: It is, um, But can you be disappointed how he's playing? Absolutely?

1348
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 1: And I think that goes to your point where even

1349
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: though the young guys aren't producing, that's when you need

1350
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,960
Speaker 1: your best players to be at their best, and right

1351
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: now the giants best players aren't at their best either.

1352
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 1: I think the only guy that you could argue that

1353
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 1: I think Pepper's played to his best is past week.

1354
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: Golden Tate I think has been very, very good, which

1355
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:44,560
Speaker 1: unfortunately gets kind of lost in the conversation because the

1356
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:46,320
Speaker 1: team has winning. I think he's had an excellent year.

1357
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: Um of the veterans, I mean, I guess those are

1358
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:52,959
Speaker 1: the guys I kind of put in that category. But yeah, look, guys,

1359
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: they gotta play better. I mean, we're not We're not

1360
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: arguing with you. I mean, look, how many times are

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01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 1: we gonna say that the team has to stop making

1362
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: mistakes and shooting themselves in the foot to start winning games.

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01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:08,160
Speaker 1: I mean, like Glance in the show, it sounds like

1364
01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: a broken record which say that every week, But when

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01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,440
Speaker 1: it keeps happening, what else we canna say? Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think with respect to sa Kwan Barkley, there's a

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Speaker 1: distinct difference between the lack of hustle versus the lack

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01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: of execution. I don't think it's a question of him

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01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 1: not trying. It's just unfortunately, execution is not where it

1370
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:25,120
Speaker 1: should be. If he wasn't trying, he wouldn't even try

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Speaker 1: to block Jamal Adams. Yeah, so you know, don't confuse

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Speaker 1: both of those things. I get the frustration. I understand that,

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01:05:31,160 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: but I think more often than not, John, when your

1374
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: team is not performing well, you automatically just assume guys

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01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 1: are just just going through the motions. I don't look

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: at sa Kwan Barkley is a guy who's going through

1377
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:43,960
Speaker 1: the motions. I think he's frustrated, but I think that

1378
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: there is also things that are holding him back and

1379
01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:50,080
Speaker 1: why he's unable to execute. As far as the comment,

1380
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Speaker 1: and you tell me, maybe if I'm misinterpreting, but the

1381
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: last caller brought up, you know, Daniel Jones continues to

1382
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:58,480
Speaker 1: turn the ball over, well documented, and you know, where's

1383
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: the discipline being shown in terms of the front DOFs

1384
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 1: and the coaching staff, and where's the accountability? And what's

1385
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: the answer. What do you want them to do? You

1386
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 1: want them to bench Daniel Jones? I don't think that's

1387
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 1: a solution. The whole purpose of getting Daniel Jones in

1388
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,720
Speaker 1: this season is for him to make these mistakes and

1389
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:18,520
Speaker 1: learn from them. I mean, do you really think he's

1390
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: not protecting the ball because he's not, because he's not

1391
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: being afraid to take him out of the game. I

1392
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: come on, yeah, I don't. I don't believe that. So

1393
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: he's a very CONSCIENTI strong man. He cares, trust me.

1394
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: I gotta do these interviews with them after every game,

1395
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: and he does him. He's great. The kid can't even

1396
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: bring him something like look me in the eye right now.

1397
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: That's how well most people can't. I don't know if

1398
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 1: that says much of anything. Go ahead, please, I do

1399
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: have dazzling eyes. Yes, I'm true. Um, only one person

1400
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 1: may have said that in your lifetime. Okay, so I

1401
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,200
Speaker 1: take that back to people may have said my apology,

1402
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: but all jokes aside. Look, the kid cares. I mean

1403
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: I talked to him after every game. He's distraught. He

1404
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: feels like garbage. I feel bad having to ask him

1405
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: questions to be honest with you. I feel bad for

1406
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: him too, for having to be able to answer you. Sorry,

1407
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: you let get out here. One fastball after another. The

1408
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: kid cares, And trust me, if you take him out

1409
01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: of the game after a fumble, he's not gonna be like,

1410
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: oh well now I'm really gonna try to hold onto

1411
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: the football. That that that's not what's going on here.

1412
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: I mean, this is not you know, parents and you know,

1413
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: taking away the computer so he's worried about that, or

1414
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: you're gonna put him in the corner and no milk

1415
01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: and cookies. I don't think that's the answer. And and yes,

1416
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: I agree with the callers sentiments. Okay, this is not

1417
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 1: a defensive Daniel Jones. The turnovers have to stop. The

1418
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: turnovers have to be cleaned up. Twelve fumbles, eight interceptions,

1419
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 1: ten fumbles lost, eight fumbles lost, seventeen turnovers. It's the

1420
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,160
Speaker 1: most in the NFL. So the numbers alone tell the

1421
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,680
Speaker 1: whole story. You don't need our commentary and you don't

1422
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:46,280
Speaker 1: need to sell it to us. The turnovers have to stop.

1423
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: We've gone over the numbers. I've told you how many

1424
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 1: defensive touchdowns have been scored, all for the fumbles. But

1425
01:07:52,280 --> 01:07:55,880
Speaker 1: the answer isn't. Let's sit down, Daniel Jones, or you know,

1426
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: let's go to what was the movie where they have

1427
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,560
Speaker 1: the guy carry the foot all around? Was fumbling all

1428
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: the time. But I think it'll come to us, and eventually,

1429
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: I think, And the program was at the program. I

1430
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,600
Speaker 1: don't know if he was the program. No, no, it

1431
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:12,320
Speaker 1: was the program. Okay, right, you know, I had fumbling

1432
01:08:12,360 --> 01:08:14,280
Speaker 1: issues and they made him carrying everywhere guys through the

1433
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: hallways or just ashburns. And not to make light of

1434
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,920
Speaker 1: it again, it's just those are not the types of

1435
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,639
Speaker 1: things that may be portrayed in Hollywood that I think

1436
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:25,880
Speaker 1: it's gonna be effective in reality for an NFL team.

1437
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: This is where you want to build his confidence, you

1438
01:08:28,479 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 1: want him to learn, and yes, you do hope that

1439
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: eventually he's gonna turn the corner. He's gonna take hits,

1440
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: he's gonna go down, he's gonna have the football. We're

1441
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 1: just waiting for that turning point to occur. All right,

1442
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: I know we're late. Final call the show right now,

1443
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: let's get Charlie a chance. Hopefully he's not going to

1444
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:47,559
Speaker 1: be crazy today. Every Yeah, hell, what's up buddy? Hey?

1445
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: Mr Fumbles, give me a break. Nice hand off to Adam.

1446
01:08:52,479 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: Know where he had that ball. He had one hand

1447
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 1: on it and it was on his hip. No, you're right, yeah,

1448
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 1: it was sliding out Charlie. No argument, he did not have.

1449
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: And by the way, people didn't realize that he actually

1450
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,679
Speaker 1: fumbled on that first sack to the ball just happened

1451
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: to go right to say Kwambarker to save the poll.

1452
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:08,880
Speaker 1: And there was also the play where the snap. It

1453
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 1: looked like he took his eyes off the football for

1454
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: a second, right, and he dropped out right. Keep saying

1455
01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: it's a major floor. You know how many sacks Kyler

1456
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,800
Speaker 1: Mary has had. He's had thirty one, he's had, Yeah,

1457
01:09:22,840 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 1: he's had thirty one. Jones has had thirty two. You

1458
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 1: know how many fumbles Kyler Mary has had. I think, look,

1459
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: you're right, he has to get it fixed. It doesn't

1460
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: mean that it can be fixed though it's been eight weeks.

1461
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:38,200
Speaker 1: And he keeps saying, I gotta take care of the ball.

1462
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: I got to secure the ball. But he's not doing

1463
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 1: it because it be right to have. And he gets

1464
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:43,920
Speaker 1: to say, well, you haven't been doing it. What the

1465
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:45,679
Speaker 1: hell are you doing to try to fix it? Yeah,

1466
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: that happens every week. Yeah, they asked him that at

1467
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: least two times in every game, at least. No. I know, Charlie,

1468
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: you're right, And and the writers do ask him that

1469
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:56,640
Speaker 1: at his locker. They do. It's a major flaw. He

1470
01:09:57,280 --> 01:09:59,240
Speaker 1: got to pick a quarterback because we're gonna be picking

1471
01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: number two works. He wanted to field this phone call,

1472
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,719
Speaker 1: say one more thing, what if I was screaming about

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Speaker 1: since March a lot, a lot, unfortunately your mental state.

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Speaker 1: We need a what what do you need? Veteran swing tackle?

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Speaker 1: He said that swing tackle. Well, listen, can't go into

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Speaker 1: his seat. Charlie, Charlie, hold on, hold on, hold on

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Speaker 1: that left tackle, Nick Charlie. Che Charlie, Charlie. First time

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Speaker 1: he was a left house Charlie, Charlie, come back to

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Speaker 1: bite you at Charlie, Charlie. Who was the giant swing

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Speaker 1: tackle on during this game? Who was the giant swing tackle?

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Speaker 1: Stupid games? Not even a tackle? How did how did?

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Speaker 1: How did Gates play in the game yesterday? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't watching. Well I did and he was looking.

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Speaker 1: Nick Gates played well. No team has two swing tackles

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Speaker 1: on their roster. That's not how the league works. The

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Speaker 1: first guys did a good job. We don't have anything

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Speaker 1: made a mistaken you did. Hey, listen, you make a bed.

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Speaker 1: Now you gotta sleep in it. I'm not gonna rest

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Speaker 1: on lope was Nick Gates actually did a good job.

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Speaker 1: He did a nice job. It wasn't perfect, but he

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Speaker 1: was fine. You can't No one has two good backup tackles.

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Speaker 1: Let's not be stupid now. Well, and and first of all,

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Speaker 1: Charlie's wrong because Charlie said that he was projected as

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Speaker 1: a guard at the NFL level. I don't care what

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Speaker 1: he was projected. Kate's played tackle in college, Okay, that's

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Speaker 1: a fact, Charlie. So whoever you're talking with the three

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Speaker 1: neighbors down the door and you huddle in every weekend, okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't care. You know what your third cousin told you.

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Speaker 1: I think you're actually giving him credit that actually is

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Speaker 1: non imaginary friends. I'm giving some credit to people that

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Speaker 1: can at least put up. I'm assuming family at least

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Speaker 1: at some gatherings, faces him face to face. But getting

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Speaker 1: back to the point at hand here, maybe what I'm

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Speaker 1: stunned with, and I didn't have an opportunity to respond

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Speaker 1: because you were preoccupied with Charlie. I've been telling the

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Speaker 1: front desk if there's anybody that calls up demanding to

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Speaker 1: speak to Dave Gentleman about, will Beattie put him through.

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Speaker 1: So apparently Charlie's phone calls are just not getting through

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Speaker 1: to the necessary channels. I've been campaigning on his part,

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Speaker 1: but unfortunately the people running things here have some common sense.

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Speaker 1: Like I want to remind people of the schedule this week,

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Speaker 1: there will be no Big Blue Kickoff Live on Thursday

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Speaker 1: or Friday for the bye week, as we get some

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Speaker 1: much needed time off we can reset mentally and physically.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back on next Monday with live shows after

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Speaker 1: the bye Tomorrow for normal lineup will be Paul and Russ. Tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: it'll be Russ and Deal on Wednesday. Again, no show

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Speaker 1: Thursday and Friday. And again, if you're listening to this

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Speaker 1: on podcast form, the show will no longer be on

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Speaker 1: the Giants Audio podcast feeds starting December one. The new

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Speaker 1: channel has already launched. To search for Big Blue Kickoff Live,

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Speaker 1: add it to your favorites in your playlist, and of course,

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Speaker 1: if you're on Apple Podcast, leave a positive review. So

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Speaker 1: we were back tomorrow for another episode of Big Blue

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Speaker 1: kick Off Live four Lance Mental. I am johnch Milk.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for sticking with us. We do appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody, have a great day,

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Speaker 1: have a go on