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Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. Hi. I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years,

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Speaker 1: I've been on a journey to prove the existence of

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Speaker 1: life after death. On each episode will discuss the reasons

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Speaker 1: we now know that our loved ones have survived physical

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Speaker 1: death and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: Did you know Abraham Lincoln consulted mediums to help formulate

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Speaker 1: his policies while President of the United States. In eight

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Speaker 1: Nettie Colburn Maynard published her memoir entitled was Abraham Lincoln

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Speaker 1: a Spiritualist? She provides a detailed account of her experience

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Speaker 1: of giving medium sittings for both President and Mrs Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty six, at the age of fifteen, Nettie

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Speaker 1: and a friend began to sit and develop their mediumship.

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Speaker 1: They sat daily for a year it was much easier

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Speaker 1: that Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation was inspired by the spirit world.

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Speaker 1: The truth about mediumship is our first conversation today, followed

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Speaker 1: by answering the question do our pets join us in

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Speaker 1: the afterlife? Meet Carrie McLeod and Philip Dike's international evidential

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Speaker 1: mediums and tutors, who I have witnessed demonstrating their mediumship

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Speaker 1: well over fifty times. They run the Spirit and Soul

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Speaker 1: warm welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Hi, Sandra, thank

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Speaker 1: you for inviting. Is it's pleasure to be here. Hello Sandra,

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Speaker 1: it's lovely. Thank you for the invitation. Oh, You're most welcome.

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Speaker 1: So question number one, how long have you been evidential mediums?

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Speaker 1: And how did you get started in this? Okay, I've

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Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and

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Speaker 1: along with international mediums Carrie McLeod and Philip Dikes, we

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Speaker 1: something incorrectly with that thing that I've been given. And

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Speaker 1: then the medium goes back and works through that sense

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Speaker 1: and that feeling in that picture that they've received or

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Speaker 1: that voice that they've heard from the spirit world. Just

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Speaker 1: because they've heard the name Paul doesn't mean the recipients

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Speaker 1: the communicator's name is Paul, or the recipient's names Paul.

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Speaker 1: It might be it's a surname. It might be it's

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Speaker 1: the name of a church, it might be it's the

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Speaker 1: name of a street. And it's only when we take

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Speaker 1: that aid to the center of our soul that we

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Speaker 1: use for the mediumship that we can understand that. So really,

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Speaker 1: I would say every good sitter needs to only know

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Speaker 1: as no and I don't know. And if you're told

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Speaker 1: that you're being an unpleasant, unhelpful or difficult recipient, then

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Speaker 1: I begin to question the mediumship that you're observing and experiencing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kerry, And I know you guys have a

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Speaker 1: code of ethics. Can you talk about that? Yes, we

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Speaker 1: have a code of ethics that the contact is not clear, understandable,

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Speaker 1: you get your full money back. We don't carry on.

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Speaker 1: We know as the medium whether it's working or not

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Speaker 1: within literally minutes. So as we always say we have

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Speaker 1: that code of ethics about returning moneies, but understanding these

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Speaker 1: codes of ethics as well that we're never going to

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Speaker 1: leave somebody confused. We're always going to make sure that

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Speaker 1: the well being is in order in the way of

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Speaker 1: how they're thinking about things, such as we're never going

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Speaker 1: to say anything that scares them. We're going to make

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Speaker 1: sure that they're safe, secure and feeling good within themselves

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Speaker 1: because that's what medium ships should do. And we're never

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Speaker 1: going to predict things, diagnose things. We're never gonna really

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Speaker 1: go down that because we have laws in the United

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Speaker 1: Kingdom that stopped us doing that, and rightly so. We

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Speaker 1: hear so many scare stories about these things that are

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Speaker 1: happening out there and we need to put this right. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll be back in just a minute to hear more

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Speaker 1: of your thoughts on this, and then also we'll ask

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Speaker 1: the question do our pets join us in the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I

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Speaker 1: Heart Media and Coast to Coast a m paranormal podcast network. Hi,

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Speaker 1: this is George Norri and you're listening to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife with Sandra Champlain on the new ye Heart

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Speaker 1: ten Coast to Coast, a impure normal podcast network, and

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Speaker 1: don't forget. You can listen to the Shades of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife on the Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 1: you find your favorite shows. Welcome back to Shades of

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Speaker 1: the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and along with international mediums

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Speaker 1: Kerry McLeod and Philip Dyke's we're talking about mediumship readings.

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Speaker 1: It's great to go to a medium, it certainly is.

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Speaker 1: But our our loved ones with us and is there

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Speaker 1: a way we can build a connection with them. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: It's what we call building that bridge, and that bridge

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Speaker 1: is the human consciousness alone. It to be inspired by

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Speaker 1: that communicator that love well and you don't have to

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Speaker 1: go and see a medium to have that experience. If

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Speaker 1: we look at what's sitting in the power is which

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Speaker 1: is it's different to meditation. Meditation is a mental guidance

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Speaker 1: through a journey that you can picture and follow and

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Speaker 1: listen to. Sitting in the power is very much a

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Speaker 1: natural blend with life, life itself, everything that has life

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Speaker 1: within it. So from nature through to human soul, through

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Speaker 1: to the divine presence of what we will call God

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Speaker 1: or that source of life, however you feel about it.

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Speaker 1: But as we sit, we're sitting in our own awareness,

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Speaker 1: that awareness that as we close our eyes and we

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Speaker 1: pretend we're stood in a darken room, everything becomes alive.

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Speaker 1: Just because we've dulled one sense it a night, it

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Speaker 1: enlightens and heightens other senses, our hearing, our feelings. And

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Speaker 1: if we look at the nervous system, it's got all

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Speaker 1: those little nerves in it that very much we feel touch,

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Speaker 1: We feel that little nip as somebody comes along, we

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Speaker 1: feel the touch of something brushing against our skin. Well, actually,

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Speaker 1: the extension of what we call the auric field is

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Speaker 1: an extension of that nervous system. And through the conscious

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Speaker 1: awareness of self, we're expanding that nerve of a system.

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Speaker 1: We're expanding that oric field of energy and that that

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Speaker 1: we're starting to sense through. It's replacing the eyes, it's

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Speaker 1: replacing the ears, it's replacing the physical feeling, and it's

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Speaker 1: through impressions through that network of sensing that it has

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Speaker 1: a profound effect on you, the citter. And it's at

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Speaker 1: that point where we heighten everything that that unseen world,

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Speaker 1: that spirit world can come in and blend with us.

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Speaker 1: And it's not a frightening experience. The most loving and

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Speaker 1: influential experience we can have in life, as that loved

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Speaker 1: one that we've lost, that's gone before us, to the

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Speaker 1: spirit world or heaven, wherever you want to whatever you

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Speaker 1: want to call it, is able to commune through their

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Speaker 1: senses to you. You can see them, you can feel them,

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Speaker 1: and we can just be overcome by emotion because once

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Speaker 1: we feel that love from them again, it can have

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Speaker 1: a real emotional effect on us. So yes, by just sitting,

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Speaker 1: allowing the breathing to become relaxed, by being disciplined, feeling

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Speaker 1: into the area around us, and them just impressing upon it.

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Speaker 1: And the more we do it, the more sensitive and

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Speaker 1: stronger we get, the bigger the experiences we have, the

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Speaker 1: closer they can come to us. And some of the

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Speaker 1: experiences we've had, some of the experiences in the training

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Speaker 1: sessions we've done in large audiences of over a hundred people,

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Speaker 1: when we've got them to sit. I remember one lady

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Speaker 1: coming forward and saying, it's eighteen years since my son's passed.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to see him, and she was overjoyed the

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Speaker 1: emotion that she got to see him, she got to

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Speaker 1: feel him, she got to hear him. And it was

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Speaker 1: by just closing all the normal senses down and going

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Speaker 1: within and just heightening those senses through breathing, imagining, breathing

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Speaker 1: and color in quiet and in the mind and just

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Speaker 1: letting that consciousness drift and blending and coming in that

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Speaker 1: has made such a difference. It's not just used for

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Speaker 1: practice of building somebody's mediumship up. Everyone. We can become

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Speaker 1: spiritual and spiritualized through the practice of sitting and even

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Speaker 1: the benefits of it on our well being, centering ourselves,

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Speaker 1: distressing ourselves and bringing that mental health and strength back

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Speaker 1: to us as well. So there's many benefits and of

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Speaker 1: sitting in the power. Oh thank you. How can people

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Speaker 1: find out more about you and maybe attend one of

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Speaker 1: your free events with Sunday Gathering or if they choose

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Speaker 1: to have a reading with you, Sure they can head

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Speaker 1: to www dot the Spirit and Soul Foundation dot co

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Speaker 1: dot uk and on there you'll be able to access

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Speaker 1: all of the things we have, some are free, some

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Speaker 1: have a small cost to them. There's private readings, the

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Speaker 1: spiritual assessments, spiritual coaching. We've got psychic training, mediumships, training,

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Speaker 1: online demonstrations, and of course our free Sunday gathering which

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Speaker 1: you host with us, Sandra, and that's every Sunday at

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Speaker 1: seven p m u K and two pm Eastern Standard time.

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Speaker 1: So we know that there is a need out there

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Speaker 1: to know more and you don't have to pay a

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Speaker 1: lot of money for training or private readings. We know

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Speaker 1: that some people charge huge amounts for private readings. You

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Speaker 1: you might question when you go on the website as

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Speaker 1: to see how much they are. It's not a trick

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Speaker 1: of your eyes. It's why you're reading should be if

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Speaker 1: somebody is truly in service to the spirit world. Thank

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Speaker 1: you both, and before I let you off the hook,

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Speaker 1: we're going to move on to our next segment, and

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Speaker 1: it is if there's ever any evidence of our pets

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Speaker 1: joining us in the afterlife. I very much believe that

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Speaker 1: pets are in the afterlife. There's been so much proof

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Speaker 1: as they come through. But as we know that pets

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Speaker 1: bring us so much comfort when we're here and the

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Speaker 1: loyalty so it makes sense that they're in the spirit world.

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Speaker 1: And I always remember many many years ago, I was

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Speaker 1: doing a private reading in aid of a charity. It

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Speaker 1: was an organized night at one of the local churches,

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Speaker 1: and I remember that this contact and I still remember

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Speaker 1: it today. It was full names addresses, and I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: you know what, this is really good. Keep this coming.

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Speaker 1: And there was several different people coming through, full names

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Speaker 1: and addresses, all these wonderful memories, and I got really

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Speaker 1: caught in that magic. Then all of a sudden, I

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Speaker 1: looked at the citter and there was no emotion, there

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Speaker 1: was no response, there was nothing. She fully understood it.

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Speaker 1: But I thought, that's something. I just got this feeling

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Speaker 1: something's not right. Then all of a sudden, I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm aware of a dog, a little Yorkshire Terrier dog,

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Speaker 1: and it the dog smiled at me, And I thought, now,

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Speaker 1: I know it's not smiling, because I know dogs and

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Speaker 1: and how pets mimic a behavior. But then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, I got this impression the dog had been

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Speaker 1: trained to smile. So I just said, I've got this

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Speaker 1: Yorkshire Terrier and it's smiling at me. You taught it

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Speaker 1: to smile. Then we almost drowned in a tear as

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Speaker 1: the emotion and everything that came through, But that the

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Speaker 1: dog showed me through clairvoyant how it used to jump

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Speaker 1: up on the lab, how it used to snuggle and

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Speaker 1: put under the jumper, how it used to cuddle into

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Speaker 1: the neck, all these little things, and that's what she

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Speaker 1: was after. That contact of that loyal, loving, unconditional loving pet,

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Speaker 1: that's what made the difference, and it taught me an

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Speaker 1: important lesson that our pets are there. But it can

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Speaker 1: be the simplest things, the simplest interactions with an animal,

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Speaker 1: a pet, and we've had similar experiences with cats and

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Speaker 1: other things. But again it can be very emotional for

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Speaker 1: people just to hear from them or be aware that

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Speaker 1: they're in the spirit world. Oh that's beautiful. Carrie and Phil,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being our guests. Today's been

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Speaker 1: our pleasure. Sandra, thank you very much. We'll continue now

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Speaker 1: talking about pets and the afterlife. For anyone who has

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Speaker 1: had a pet. I'm sure you will agree that the

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Speaker 1: love we feel for our animals can be much deeper

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Speaker 1: than we feel for people. Why unconditional love, no matter

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Speaker 1: what you say or what you don't say, they live

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Speaker 1: in the present tense. Dogs will greet you with excitement,

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Speaker 1: wagging their tails. Cats will crawl on your lap, let

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Speaker 1: you stroke their backs, and purr under your fingertips. No judgment,

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Speaker 1: just love. They listen to our stories and the best

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Speaker 1: of times and the worst of times, and they keep

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Speaker 1: great secrets. Our pets can be, our angels, can be

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Speaker 1: our heroes, can guard us and keep us safe. There's

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Speaker 1: something divine about our pets. In fact, did you ever

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Speaker 1: realize that dog spelled backwards is God? They are pure souls,

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Speaker 1: no hidden agendas, and they don't carry baggage from the

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Speaker 1: past their lives. They're much shorter than ours, and that

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Speaker 1: may just be because they get to love a whole

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Speaker 1: bunch in a short lifespan, where it takes us many

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Speaker 1: more years to be that loving. I caught up with

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Speaker 1: my friend Karen Anderson, who is a police officer turned

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Speaker 1: animal communicator with over twenty four years of communication with

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Speaker 1: over twenty thousand pets. She is the best selling author

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Speaker 1: of the books Here All Creatures, The Secret Inner Life

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Speaker 1: of Pets, and The Amazing Afterlife of Animals. Karen, thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us. Hi, Sandra, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I've been so excited to talk to you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just grateful to be on your show. And thank you

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Speaker 1: by the way for posting such a beautiful show. I

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Speaker 1: think it's so important to share this information and just

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Speaker 1: I love talking about the afterlife. It's my it's my

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Speaker 1: favorite topic. Oh it's mine too, Karen. I know you

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Speaker 1: are an animal communicator, but how did you first learn

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Speaker 1: pets go to the afterlife? It was not on purpose.

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Speaker 1: I actually I didn't believe at first. It sounds terrible,

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Speaker 1: but it's the truth. I didn't really believe that we

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Speaker 1: could communicate with a deceased pet. You don't remember, I

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Speaker 1: was a cop and I came from very evidence and factual.

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Speaker 1: You know, if you don't have evidence, you don't have

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00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: a case. So I was like, you know, no way,

643
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: if you know, if an animal passes away, there's no

644
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: way you could communicate with it. So again, I was,

645
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: you know, surprised to find out that an animal who

646
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: has passed on, no matter how recent or how long

647
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: ago it was, is still very present, very much with us,

648
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: very much connected, tuned in, watching over us in their

649
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: favorite places, doing their favorite things. It's almost as if

650
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 1: nothing has changed for that at in fact, they are

651
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: free from pain, and they love their freedom that they

652
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: can zip around and go with us places that they

653
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: could never go with us before in physical form. So

654
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: it was quite by fluke and shock just in the

655
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of sessions that I was conducting that

656
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: I started communicating with departed pets and their messages. And

657
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: what blew me away, Sandra was their messages were very

658
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: present time. They didn't say things like well, when I

659
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 1: was alive, I liked, you know, chicken or whatever. They

660
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,959
Speaker 1: would say it. They would talk about They would talk

661
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: about the here and now, Like my mom got up

662
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: this morning and she had crumpets for breakfast, you know,

663
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: and it's like, what your mom had a what a crumpet?

664
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: And I was like, what's a crumpet? So this is

665
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: me having this conversation in my head with this deceased cat.

666
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: And it turns out that the clients did indeed have

667
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 1: crumpets that morning for breakfast. The friend of her said

668
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: sent them from England as a gift, and she had crumpets. Well,

669
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it was. I to look

670
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,279
Speaker 1: it at, it's like a little English muffin thing. But

671
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: of all things, for disease pet to talk about, you know,

672
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: eating crumpets. So that's the stuff that to me is evidential.

673
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: That's evidential proof. Who would know that, It's not like

674
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: I followed this lady around with the hidden camera and

675
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:31,240
Speaker 1: her kitchen that morning and watched her eating a weird

676
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: English muffin thing called the crumpet. You know, that to

677
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: me was so shocking, so amazing and so brilliant and

678
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: just like Kaboom, I couldn't get enough of it. And

679
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:50,479
Speaker 1: I was fascinated that a departed pet could share such

680
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: present day, moment to moment information about their human, their

681
00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: life and what was going on. That to me just

682
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: is mind boggling. And so I I really started to

683
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 1: focus my attention and sharpen my skills so that I

684
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: can obtain those messages from departed pets. Because it was

685
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: the clients who came to me who were grieving and

686
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: struggling with the loss of a pet. That's where I

687
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: noticed when I delivered messages from their pet, even if

688
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 1: it was like a crumpet. I mean, it sounds crazy,

689
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,800
Speaker 1: but that client would have this miraculous healing take place,

690
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 1: like they were grieving and in pain and unable to

691
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:38,319
Speaker 1: focus and overwhelmed before the session. After the session, they

692
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: were smiling and happy and you know, oh my gosh,

693
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,839
Speaker 1: I feel so much better and this just this amazing

694
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 1: and I can't believe he's still with me. And he

695
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: saw me eating the crumpet. That was like to me,

696
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 1: That's where I realized, this is what I need to do.

697
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: When a departed animal can deliver one little message, one

698
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: teeny tiny little message, but it changes the whole perspective

699
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 1: of that human and it moves them into a space

700
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,319
Speaker 1: of healing that they could never have found before. Oh

701
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: my gosh, I'm all over that. I'm all for that. Amen.

702
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: Sister Animal communicator Karen Anderson and I will be back

703
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: in just a minute and we'll talk a little bit

704
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: about grief when we lose our pets and answer the

705
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: question can we communicate with our own pets in the afterlife.

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00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain, and

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00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I'm here with Karen Anderson, animal communicator and author of

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Speaker 1: the book The Amazing Afterlife of Animals. Karen, losing a

725
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: person can bring us intense grief, but I would have

726
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 1: never imagined losing a pet could cause so much pain.

727
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: Can you talk about why that is? I really truly

728
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,479
Speaker 1: feel that, and I mean no disrespect to our human

729
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: loved ones, but I really truly feel that in my

730
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: experience I have been so deeply and profoundly overwhelmed with

731
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: grief by the loss of a pet that I have

732
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: gotten to the point where I felt like I was

733
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: having a heart attack. I literally felt physical pain in

734
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: my chest. I hurt so badly. And there is a

735
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:44,240
Speaker 1: condition called broken heart syndrome that is real. It's really

736
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: a real thing, and it affects women more than men.

737
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 1: But it is a physical reaction to grief. I mean,

738
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: this is real stuff we're talking about here. And you know,

739
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:58,240
Speaker 1: this pain from a loss of a pet. We start,

740
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, doubting ourselves. Second, I see, you know how

741
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: we cared for the pet. Did I do the right thing?

742
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: Did I make the right decisions that I take them

743
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: for the right procedures? Did I keep them here too long?

744
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 1: Did I take their life too soon? Do they forgive

745
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,839
Speaker 1: me all of these things that we beat ourselves up

746
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: for over and over again. And on the flip side

747
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: of that, here's the pet coming through to me, happy

748
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 1: and smiling and excited, and they're having a great time,

749
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: and they're um light and beautiful and shining and loving life,

750
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 1: and they have no regrets and no sorrows, And and

751
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: here we are stuck in our grief and we can't

752
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 1: get through it. We we can't. It's like it pulls

753
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 1: us down and it's so heavy, and what our animals

754
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: that I'd say the big takeaway for your listeners, the

755
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: big takeaway here is first and foremost, your pets love

756
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: you more than anything else in this world. And there

757
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: is nothing that you did in the care or the

758
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:05,320
Speaker 1: end of life that is going to change that for them,

759
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: because they know that you came from a place of

760
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: love and that you intended to do the very best

761
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 1: that you could, whatever the situation is. Even when accidents happen.

762
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:20,240
Speaker 1: I've had clients that have accidentally run over their own paths.

763
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: I have a clients that accidentally caused the death or

764
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,919
Speaker 1: put their animals in harm's way, let their dog out

765
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: to go outside and didn't shut the gate, and the

766
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: dog passes away when a car hits I mean, you

767
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: name it. I've had a client with that experience. It

768
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 1: has never failed that the animal comes through first and foremost.

769
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 1: This is really interesting to me. The humans want to

770
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: focus on that moment, that horrible moment, and guess what,

771
00:49:55,239 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: the animals don't. Sometimes, Sandra, they won't even talk about

772
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 1: that moment, the moment of death, the moment that they

773
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 1: were hit, the moment that something attacked them, the moment

774
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: that they died. They don't focus on that. That's a human,

775
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: that's a human thing. Animals want to talk about happy times,

776
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 1: joyful times, good things, positive things, funny things. It's the

777
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: human that keeps bringing me back to the blood and

778
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: the gore and the you know, reliving this horrible, tortuous moment.

779
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: The animals don't even go there. So I will honor

780
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: whatever the animal wants. If the animal wants to talk

781
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: about it, fine, which is rare um. Sometimes I'll see

782
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: a flash or an image or I'll go, oh, that

783
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: didn't go very well, But very rarely do they want

784
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: to discuss like the worst moment of their lives. They

785
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: wanted us to remember and celebrate the love that we shared,

786
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: the good times, the happy times, all of those special memories.

787
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: The way they died or the end of their life

788
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: does not define who they are, and humans tend to

789
00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,680
Speaker 1: make the animals death and the way they passed more

790
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,399
Speaker 1: important than their life and celebrate who they are as

791
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: the living, wonderful companion that they had for all those years.

792
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: It's a weird um um comparison of the human perspective

793
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 1: versus the animal's perspective. And I'm still to this day

794
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: fascinated by the animals. Just don't go there, even when

795
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 1: it's oh, I'm sorry, no, no, no, I'm just saying

796
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: I work with a lot of mediums, and it's the

797
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: same thing that loved one might come through the human

798
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 1: loved one and deceased might come through, which is like,

799
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: matter of fact, here's how I die, just for the

800
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: confirmation that, yeah, this is me. But then they want

801
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: to talk about how they lived in the shared memories

802
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: and the love and those kind of things. So yes,

803
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,360
Speaker 1: it's true. So we have a lot to learn from

804
00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: our pets and from the other side. Are there things

805
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 1: that you've heard that oh my god, only the pet

806
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: could know? And now you yep, I've got a few,

807
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: got a few for you, okay. So um, I love

808
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: your stories. By the way I connect, I've got a

809
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: million of them. I was connecting with a deceased cat.

810
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: This cat was a beloved kitty. He lived a long time,

811
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: he was astray and then this woman kind of took

812
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 1: him into care of him and he lived in her

813
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 1: yard and beautiful boy, I think like Tabby stripe boy.

814
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: And she was on her way to a meeting and

815
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: she was running late, and so she was backing her

816
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,959
Speaker 1: car out of the garage, and um, she didn't check

817
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: where the kitty was and she backed over him. Now,

818
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: he didn't die from that, but he was pretty severely injured,

819
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: and so she took him into, of course, the emergency,

820
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: and um, he sustained some pretty severe injuries. When I

821
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 1: was connecting with him, he had passed on from a

822
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: result of his injuries. So he didn't die at that moment.

823
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: He died about two weeks later. So during the session,

824
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: the cat who's deceased kept showing me an amputated leg

825
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: and kept talking about a leg amputation. And what was

826
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:25,399
Speaker 1: throwing me off was that it was a human leg.

827
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't a cat leg. Now, me and my little

828
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: puny brain, as I'm doing this in my own head,

829
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, why is this cat showing me a human

830
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:35,440
Speaker 1: leg when he was the one that was run over

831
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 1: And I know he has sustained leg injuries because he

832
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: couldn't walk for a while, And I didn't understand why

833
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: he was showing me a human amputated leg. So I

834
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: didn't say anything. Finally, the cat kept sending me the

835
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: same message over and over again. It's just like the universe.

836
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:50,399
Speaker 1: When we get that same message over and over again,

837
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 1: it's like you need to pay attention. So I finally

838
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: said to my client, I don't know why, but your

839
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: cat is showing me this amputated leg and I don't

840
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,080
Speaker 1: understand what that's about. And all of a sudden and

841
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:04,279
Speaker 1: she went, oh, oh my gosh, Oh my gosh, coone,

842
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and she starts crying like like uncontrollable sobs,

843
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: crying and crying, crying, And I was like, what did

844
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: I do? What did I say? I felt horrible. Well,

845
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 1: when she composed herself, she says, I can't believe you

846
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,360
Speaker 1: said that. And I said, well, fill me in. What

847
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: what's this all about? She says, I said, did he

848
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: did he lose a leg? She goes, no, she goes,

849
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: he didn't lose his leg. He lost mobility for a while,

850
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: but he didn't lose a leg. She says, I was

851
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: in it a terrible car accident about three months ago,

852
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: and I had to have my leg amputated. Now the

853
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: cat had been gone. The cat was gone. When she

854
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 1: had the accident, he was already passed, so that gave

855
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 1: her That was her one little message. I always tell

856
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: my clients you'll get one little message that will change

857
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: your life forever. You might get more, but but there

858
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: will always be at least one message where you've go

859
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,880
Speaker 1: without a doubt, hands down, there is no way, Karen,

860
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: was you know, following me around with spy cameras or

861
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: drones or whatever that will change your life and and

862
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: prove to you that the afterlife is real. Our pets

863
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: are there there with us, their present tense with us.

864
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: They're not in a faraway place. They're not you know,

865
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: up in the clouds. They're here with us, watching over us,

866
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 1: around us, just like they were in physical That was

867
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 1: a monumental moment for that client, and it finally helped

868
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 1: her heal. She said, up until that point she had

869
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 1: really been struggling because she lost him. You know, she

870
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 1: ran over him, caused she caused his death. She got

871
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: an accident, lost her leg. She was on a downward spiral.

872
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 1: She was depressed. She couldn't do anything for herself. She's

873
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: having to rehab and learn how to do. She didn't

874
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:53,520
Speaker 1: want to live anymore. I deliver that one little message.

875
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 1: She is now volunteering at the local shelter. She's going

876
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:03,240
Speaker 1: to hospital and doing lectures and talking to people about,

877
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 1: you know, having losing a limb, others who have lost

878
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,440
Speaker 1: a limb. She found on getting chills right now. She

879
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: found this new purpose in her life, this new sense,

880
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,640
Speaker 1: and it's all because of that one little message from

881
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: her cat. Oh that's so great. And we are in

882
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: the business of not only healing hearts, but giving people

883
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: life again. So whether it's through animal communication or learning

884
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 1: something about the afterlife, or near death experiences or mediumship

885
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: or whatever that is to get people back in their

886
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: life again. Because I know it, you know it. When

887
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: we close our eyes the last time here on Earth,

888
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: we're going to open them up again, and everybody's going

889
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: to be there and pets included. And we want to

890
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: look back on our life like we went for it,

891
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 1: We made the most of it. Not when my animal

892
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: or my beloved spouse died, I gave up living myself

893
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 1: because so many people die inside when they're experiencing grief,

894
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: and meanwhile, loved one or loved animal is just around Karen,

895
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 1: Is it possible that? And I think I know the

896
00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: answer like, I went to bed not too long ago

897
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 1: and felt like my cat Millie jumped up, jumped up

898
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: on the bed, and she's been gone quite a while,

899
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,439
Speaker 1: but I actually felt that. So when you say they're

900
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 1: still around, is that something that people could feel or

901
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: get that sense if we're in tune with our own soul. Yes,

902
00:57:24,520 --> 00:57:28,439
Speaker 1: and oh, I hear this from the animals so often. Um,

903
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,480
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of energy for a departed spirit

904
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 1: to manifest so that we can see them, hear there,

905
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: or feel them. So most of the time our departed

906
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: pets will come to us in our dreams because that's

907
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: when our subconscious brain is more open to receiving information.

908
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: Were less likely to discount it as you know false

909
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: or you know, our brain won't kick it out, so

910
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: we're open to receiving those energetic visitations from them. Those

911
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,600
Speaker 1: are real. Our pets are really visiting us in our drains,

912
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: and so of them can be quite vivid. But when

913
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: they actually manifest, when they you feel them walk across

914
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: the bed, when you feel them brushed past you, if

915
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: you hear their tonnails across the floor, you hear there

916
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: their chain, their metal one, are those tags, their tags,

917
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: clinking the bowl, moving the doggie door flap moving. When

918
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: an ill manifest to do something like that, it takes

919
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: tons of energy for them to do that, and they

920
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 1: get so overjoyed when we acknowledge them. You know, is

921
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: that you, Milly? Is that I just thought? You jump

922
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: on the bed? Please do it again? You know, I

923
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: welcome your visits. You know, I miss you, I love you.

924
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're here. When we do that, we

925
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: fuel them with spiritual fuel. They can then send more messages,

926
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,680
Speaker 1: manifest more. When we discount it and say, oh, it's

927
00:58:56,760 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 1: my imagination. I must be tired, I'm crazy. I don't

928
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm hearing or what I'm saying. It must

929
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: be the wind or you know, who knows. They get

930
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: so frustrated because they're trying so hard to let us know, Hey,

931
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm here and with you, I'm still around, you know,

932
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 1: talk about me, think about me, you know, remember me,

933
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 1: say my name out loud. When we pay attention to

934
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,480
Speaker 1: their messages, and they can come in all different forms,

935
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: you might even feel the warmth of them up against you.

936
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: But when you reach down and you don't feel anything,

937
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: um it, that's them. That's really them, So tell them

938
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: how happy that makes you get excited about it, asked

939
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: them to send you more messages. Give them the spiritual

940
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: fuel that they need so that they can keep sending

941
00:59:43,920 --> 00:59:47,720
Speaker 1: more messages. The more you pay attention, the more they

942
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: will send. Oh, Karen, I love your stories. Am I

943
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:55,360
Speaker 1: correct that your books are filled with stories? Oh? My gosh.

944
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: If you want stories, those books are full of stories

945
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: and amazing. Afterlife of Animals is my most recent book,

946
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:06,400
Speaker 1: and The Journey Here All Creatures, The Journey of an

947
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: Animal Communicator was my first book. They're full of stories,

948
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: actual sessions of clients who have very excitedly wanted to

949
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: share their pictures and their experience. You'll get actual snippets.

950
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,160
Speaker 1: These aren't whole sessions. Remember, these are just snippets that

951
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: I've taken from various sessions. You know, some sessions go

952
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,439
Speaker 1: an hour long, so you can imagine I can't put

953
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: all of that into a book or a chapter would

954
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: just be too much. So um, yes, if you want stories,

955
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: those books are full of stories. I'm actually writing my

956
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: next manuscript, which is going to be just a continuation

957
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 1: of more stories, more Afterlife Messages from Pets and um

958
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 1: and that's what I'm working on right now. Oh, thank you, Karen.

959
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:59,440
Speaker 1: A big thank you to Karen Anderson, author of the

960
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: Amazed Afterlife of Animals, and you can visit her website

961
01:01:03,160 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: at Animal Communicating dot com. This is Sanders Champlain and

962
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,880
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01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:22,720
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