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Speaker 1: You are listening to What in the Winkler and iHeartRadio podcast. Hi,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to another episode of What in the Winkler.

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Speaker 1: Today we have Miriam Sandler, who's the creator of mother Cloud,

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Speaker 1: a kid's activity and family lifestyle community. Born in Venezuela

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Speaker 1: and raised in Miami, Florida, the bilingual mother of three

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Speaker 1: offers parents, educators, and care givers simple and accessible play

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Speaker 1: solutions and parenting hacks and more. I am so excited

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Speaker 1: to talk to her. Let's let her in.

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Speaker 2: Hello.

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Speaker 1: Hi, it's so nice to meet you.

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Speaker 2: To thank you so much for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 1: I was looking at your book, which.

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Speaker 2: Is when is it?

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Speaker 1: When does your book come out?

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Speaker 3: It comes out May thirteenth, so so simple weeks away.

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Speaker 2: I'm so nervous.

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Speaker 1: I was looking It's called Playful by Design and the

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Speaker 1: first thing it says is your stress free guide to

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Speaker 1: raising comp didn't creative kids through independent play, which I

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Speaker 1: wish I had this book when I was having. My

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Speaker 1: kids are thirteen, nine and seven.

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Speaker 3: It's never too late. We never too late that you

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Speaker 3: can get into it. Yes, as a parent, like what

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Speaker 3: could you want more? And exactly what you're telling us. Yes,

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Speaker 3: I think we all crave independent play at whatever age,

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Speaker 3: even when they're like seventeen.

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Speaker 1: Totally. You tell me a little bit about mother Cloud

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Speaker 1: and how it all started and about you.

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Speaker 3: Yes, So I started in twenty sixteen. I had my

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Speaker 3: first baby and she didn't want to eat anything, which

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Speaker 3: was really funny because she was in the ninetieth percentile

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Speaker 3: of height and weight.

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Speaker 2: So the doctor literally thought I was losing my mind

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Speaker 2: when I was like, she doesn't eat.

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Speaker 3: I was like, no, I don't think you understand. She

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Speaker 3: actually doesn't eat anything.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: She was breastfeeding, so that's like count right. So I

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Speaker 3: noticed that she had a texture sensitivity. We live in Miami, Florida,

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Speaker 3: so we would go to the beach a lot, and

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Speaker 3: she would like curl up her legs in the sand

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Speaker 3: and like cry. So I started creating all of these

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Speaker 3: sensory play recipes that were edible, and I would expose

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Speaker 3: her to different textures through play, and I swear to you,

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Speaker 3: in six months, it was like a night and day difference.

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Speaker 3: It was like zero food crying at her high chair

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Speaker 3: to like happily running to her high chair eating salmon

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Speaker 3: and quinoa.

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Speaker 2: And like broccoli it was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it just sounds like that's like the ultimate.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm going to do this with my seven

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Speaker 1: year old. I'm gonna yes, I'm fourteen. He has some

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Speaker 1: sensory stuff and I always am like, you know, and

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Speaker 1: I live in LA so there's a lot of you know,

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Speaker 1: OT and stuff like that, which is occupational therapy. But

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Speaker 1: how amazing to have a guide, you know, So how

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Speaker 1: did you even go to do that?

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Speaker 3: So that moment was my mother could moment like I

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Speaker 3: did this, Like I could make this like shitty situation

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Speaker 3: media and I got a lot of feedback, and six

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Speaker 3: months later I turned to my husband and I was like,

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 2: Want to do this anymore.

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Speaker 3: You know what, it takes a lot of effort to

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Speaker 3: make social media look effortless, I trust me.

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Speaker 2: I know, yeah exactly.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, I'm not doing this anywhere. In

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, I had a second baby. I was still

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Speaker 3: doing a lot of sensory play, and I came back,

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Speaker 3: but I came back with videos and that's when mother

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Speaker 3: could really started. But the reason I knew to do

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Speaker 3: senturyplay was because I had worked with kids that had.

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Speaker 2: Add and ADHD.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, so my entire college career work at the Center

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Speaker 3: for Children and Families, and I noticed that the one

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Speaker 3: thing that helped every single child, because there's it's a

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Speaker 1: And does your book have it for all ages or

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Speaker 1: is it mainly for younger kids? Like, tell me about that.

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Speaker 2: It's for kids of all ages.

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Speaker 3: It's for kids of all ages, for families with all

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Speaker 3: of being like if you do this, this, this, and this,

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Speaker 3: lists that have questions so that you can answer ABCD,

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Speaker 3: and your family dynamics. And this whole idea came from

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Speaker 3: because when I came back in twenty nineteen, I started

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Speaker 3: doing showing playroom rotations toy rotations, which is basically.

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Speaker 2: Like storing three forts of my toys and only displaying

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Speaker 3: And once a month or once every two months, I

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Speaker 3: it was like Haniga all over again.

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Speaker 2: They were like, oh my god, you're saying too much

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Speaker 2: with this.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know best not ever, And I was like,

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Speaker 1: you're welcome.

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Speaker 3: I didn't spend a single dollar and it made such

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Speaker 3: social media and I had like a few thousand followers,

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Speaker 3: and I was able to answer questions and like really

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Speaker 3: got inundated with questions that I didn't so I didn't

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Speaker 3: I felt like I was doing a disservice to my career.

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Speaker 1: I noticed on your instagram on mother, could you have

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Speaker 1: a testament to you because you make people feel like

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Speaker 1: you can you can also do it, you know, which

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Speaker 1: is sometimes when your kid is having sensory stuff, it

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Speaker 1: and then you just make it seem so.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I feel like when I realized

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Speaker 3: It was because I joined social media to connect with people,

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad it did right. This is incredible, But

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Speaker 2: it was my moment of like, I.

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Speaker 3: Have to stop sharing this particular type of content because

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Speaker 2: And that's when playful by Design. It's a beautiful.

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Speaker 1: And I heard you're coming to La. You're going to

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna do uh three events in La. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do Zibby's, I'm going to go to uh.

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Speaker 3: Wolfshire Temple Boulevard and about Chevalier's book story.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that's gonna be so great.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited.

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Speaker 1: I know, it's funny. I just saw that I llowed

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Speaker 1: It's exciting. Yeah. So after when you this book is

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Speaker 1: like your way of kind of like responding to everybody.

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Speaker 1: What are like the three are there's three things that

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Speaker 1: every parent should have like in their sort of like

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Speaker 2: I absolutely love that question, and that is going to

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Speaker 2: change for everybody.

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Speaker 3: But if you're thinking about a cabinet, you are you

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Speaker 3: if you want independent play, you need it to be

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Speaker 3: like my three year old, it's very hard for her

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Speaker 3: herself in right, No, No, I meant I meant like

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Speaker 3: it's your parenting toolbox.

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Speaker 1: Yes, your toolbox, yes, okay, okay, okay, not an actual cabinet,

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Speaker 1: like three things that you know you should have in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, So I always say it's a it's a

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Speaker 3: like I've been there. I watched the design shows that've

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Speaker 2: Where is everything? And I'm like, oh, I guess I

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Speaker 3: And the thing is that we gatekeep everything right. We're

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Speaker 2: My house still looks like this, but it's accessible to everybody.

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Speaker 3: So I think one of those things that we do

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Speaker 3: The recipe for disaster And I'm like guys, my kids

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Speaker 2: To my kids, the art table has tools that.

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Speaker 2: So that's not where we color. We color on the paper.

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Speaker 3: But all of that took creating boundaries, creating space, giving access,

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Speaker 2: So rethink your space is really important. Playful by design

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Speaker 2: making things age appropriate. Like I have a ten to

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Speaker 3: There's a seven age gap between my oldest and my youngest.

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Speaker 3: That's that's a pretty big age cap when it comes

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Speaker 3: to play. If my ten year old is very interested

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Speaker 3: I want it to also be a peace of mind

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Speaker 3: where while I'm cooking, I'm like, no legos.

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Speaker 2: I literally like my one. That was amazing. While I'm cooking,

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Speaker 1: What's it like working with your husband?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is a whole book that is

443
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:52,160
Speaker 3: a part two weeks like by Design, Marriage by Design, Marriage.

444
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 2: By People by Design. When he said he would quit,

445
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: I was like, what about our health insurance? Like there

446
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,439
Speaker 2: were so many things that came.

447
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: Through my mind that I was like, you guys took

448
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 1: a leap as a family.

449
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 3: We took a leap of a family, and it's worked out.

450
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have written this book. I wouldn't have Mother

451
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,400
Speaker 3: Cut in your Pocket or any of our physical products

452
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: digital products without him, because I don't have the bandwidth

453
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: to do so and he's like an extension of me, right.

454
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,280
Speaker 1: Right, the same values you have, the same core, that's.

455
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,080
Speaker 2: Right, that's right. And it's been amazing.

456
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 1: It's been giving you more time actually with your kids.

457
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,439
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, before he would see our children maybe an

458
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 3: hour a day, and just when banker, you don't have hours, right,

459
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 3: He traveled like crazy. He was an investment maker for

460
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: hotels in Latin America, so he would travel so much

461
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 3: all the time. And not only did it give me

462
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,040
Speaker 3: more time with my kids, but it gave him a

463
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 3: real life with our kids. So there's many things I'm

464
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,359
Speaker 3: grateful for before for mother could but one of the

465
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 3: things that it has brought our family closer together and

466
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 3: it has shown us that working together and trying to

467
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 3: build this dream is really our dream.

468
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: What an incredible you know model for your kids to

469
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: see you, you know, doing what you love and and

470
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: and growing it in this way and it's like kind of,

471
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 1: I don't know, it's a beautiful thing. It's it's it's

472
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: so nice. And then to see the two of you

473
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: working together, it's just like that such a gift for

474
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: your kids.

475
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 3: Thank you, And I really love that it's in this

476
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 3: space that it's in family, that it's in connection and

477
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: it's and it's doing things with each other, right, it's

478
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 3: not sometimes it's us dancing in the in the living room,

479
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: but it's not dancing videos.

480
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: And it's not fashion, so I don't have to put

481
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: myself together all the time. And it's not beauty, and

482
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: it's just wholesome. It's really wholesome, right, And it's.

483
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 1: Really just like kid based, yes, right, which is a

484
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: wonderful thing. What would you say is like the number

485
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: one takeaway that if you could tell a parent like

486
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 1: this is what there's one lesson or you know, one

487
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: one thing that I've really really like held so close

488
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,440
Speaker 1: to for all these years of motherhood.

489
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:25,479
Speaker 3: What would it be that no matter where you are

490
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:30,400
Speaker 3: in the world, what you look like, you are doing

491
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: an amazing job. You're doing your best job. And that

492
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 3: we are more more alike than we are different. And

493
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 3: I've learned that because if I'm sharing a struggle that

494
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 3: I'm going through, a person in India and a person

495
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 3: in Australia both send the same message to me, and

496
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 3: that to me is like WHOA.

497
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: That was like a huge part.

498
00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,520
Speaker 3: Of when I realized motherhood is really universal and we

499
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 3: all crave the same things, and we're all innately really

500
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 3: really really good parents, and I think in order to

501
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 3: realize that, I think we need to give ourselves the

502
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 3: credit that we deserve, and it's to give ourselves the

503
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: space and the time to enjoy it. And they also

504
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 3: really think that it's important to be proactive with our kids.

505
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 3: So instead of our kids always coming to us and

506
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 3: being like, do you want to play this board game?

507
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,760
Speaker 2: And we have to turn them down because we're working,

508
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 2: or we're cooking, or.

509
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: We're doing laundry, I think it's really important to be

510
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 3: proactive and taking time when you have to go to

511
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 3: your child and.

512
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 2: Say, honey, would you like to play a board game?

513
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 3: And so they're not always craving that connection, but you're

514
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: already giving it to them. It doesn't have to be

515
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 3: three hours a day. It could be five to ten

516
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 3: minutes every other day.

517
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 1: People just get like overwhelmed, but you really, it literally

518
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: means like reading a book, Yes, play a game. It

519
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be going out and buying something. It

520
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: could be and yes, just like all they care about

521
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: is that your phone is down and that you are,

522
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, just responding to them, and yeah, whatever they

523
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: want to.

524
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: Play really yeah, and that you care about what they

525
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 2: care about.

526
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 3: And that's another thing that I it's a huge takeaway

527
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: from mother could and what I've learned is that it's

528
00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: important to show our kids that you care about what

529
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: they care about.

530
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 2: It's their teens.

531
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: Their most important thing that they care about at that

532
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: time is their friendships, right, So to show them that

533
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 3: you care about their friendships could mean, Hey, invite Melissa

534
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 3: over for dinner on Tuesday. It doesn't have to be fancy,

535
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: could be paper plates and you order pizza. Like it's

536
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 3: just showing them that you care about what they care about.

537
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 3: Is play is connection.

538
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: It's really it's interesting because all I have three kids

539
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: and they're so different, and my oldest is super into cooking,

540
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: my middle is super into baseball and football, and my

541
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: youngest is super into like musical theater and dancing. So

542
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: it's like all over the map, you know, so we'll

543
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: do we'll go to you know. It's really I try

544
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 1: to make an effort that we all go to the game,

545
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: we all go to the dance performance. My oldest son

546
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: will cook dinner for the family and invite friends over.

547
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:28,920
Speaker 1: So it's really likes it's it's more just like we

548
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,400
Speaker 1: do this because we love supporting each other and we're

549
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: interested in your interest as a family, you know, even

550
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: if they're not yours. You get to watch somebody else

551
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: loving their interest, which is such a yeah. With the

552
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 1: name mother Could, it's such a good name.

553
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: I called it mother.

554
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: Dyslexic.

555
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 2: You're not the only one.

556
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: Actually, sometimes when I hear it, it's part of part

557
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: of the name.

558
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

559
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 1: I was like, but how did you come up with

560
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: mother Could? Because it's such a great name.

561
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 3: Actually, my husband, it was my husband when I had

562
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: that moment of like I did this with my with

563
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: my toddler when she finally ate my I tried. I

564
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 3: was having a conversation with my husband and I was like,

565
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 3: I really want to start sharing with on social media.

566
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 2: Helped me come up with a name, and we were like, well,

567
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: it has to be about mothers and he was like,

568
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 2: what about mother could? Like you you could do this.

569
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: And it was a time where Scary Mommy was like

570
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 3: a big you remember that and as the new mom,

571
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: Scary Bomby was not funny.

572
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: No, it was like you mean him never going to

573
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 2: sleep again? Like it was like, you know, what I

574
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 2: mean now, it's hilarious, right, three kids in?

575
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, one kid in.

576
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 2: When you haven't slept for three months, you're like, oh,

577
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 2: it was horrible.

578
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah. I felt like the transition from zero to one

579
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: was way harder than the TRANSI into.

580
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 2: It with the worst, with the worst.

581
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: What it's going to look like, you know? And are

582
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: they ever going to sleep?

583
00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: Like? Are you know? No?

584
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: I literally came home from the hospital, I took my

585
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: first shower, and in my head, I was like, what

586
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: the hell did I just do? Like I actually, yeah,

587
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,920
Speaker 3: I was also twenty three, so let's gosh, I was

588
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 3: a baby.

589
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: I was a baby, Okay.

590
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: I was thirty, and I still felt like, I'm.

591
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 3: Telling you, motherhood it's universal. It doesn't matter how old

592
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 3: you are, where you are in the world, what you look,

593
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if we all feel.

594
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 2: The same thing.

595
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you are a baby, baby a baby.

596
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: I was a baby, okay, and you built this whole life.

597
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,959
Speaker 1: I mean, that's so impressive.

598
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 2: Thank you, no matter what exactly cool, thank you. But yeah,

599
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 2: I was twenty three and I was like, what the

600
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: heck did I just do? Did I just ruin my

601
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 2: entire life? And now she tells me.

602
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: She's like, Mom, I really think I should go on

603
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 3: your book because if it wasn't for me, you wouldn't

604
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: have a book tour.

605
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: It was like, excuse me, You're like, you're not wrong.

606
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 2: Excuse me, you're not wrong. But if you're last two

607
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: weeks of school, you're going to school, do you ever.

608
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: Worry about showing your kids on social media?

609
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 2: Or no?

610
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: Yes and no, yes because I hear all of these

611
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 3: things from other parenting accounts that get absolutely like obliterated,

612
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 3: and then no because.

613
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: I don't know how. I think it was like God's will.

614
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: I don't get any hate. None.

615
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: Well, you're very likable.

616
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 2: I think I appreciate that. I appreciate that.

617
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: But like parenting accounts that I very much think that

618
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: they're like very likable. They get death threats right, like

619
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 3: show off at their kids' school.

620
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 2: Right.

621
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't understand. I thank god I'm in

622
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm like in a little bubble

623
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 3: or what it is, but I don't get any hate.

624
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: The majority of the majority. The only type of like

625
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 3: hate that I get. It's like, oh my god, she

626
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 3: travels too much, but that's like, okay, I'll take it right, Yeah, totally, Okay,

627
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: I'll take it exactly. So it's showing my kids on

628
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 3: social media as they have gotten older, I show them

629
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: less than I do my little ones because the one

630
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: they are with me less right, my little ones attached

631
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 3: to my hip, the ten year old not so much.

632
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: And two I always ask for their permission as they

633
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 3: get older. Always, always, I think it's really important to ask.

634
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: If it was up to my oldest she would it

635
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: would be all about her.

636
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: She would be I'm the only person on the cover.

637
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 2: She would be the only person.

638
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 3: Actually, she's the only one who's smiling. Okay, out of

639
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: all my three children, she's the only one who's smiling.

640
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, Nikki, act natural and.

641
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: She's like, she's like, thank you, She's like, this is

642
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: my best side.

643
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: She's like, you want me on the table, I'll go

644
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: on the table.

645
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: That's amazing. She's so sweet, so sweet, so sweet. But

646
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: what are some of the favorite things. I Mean, you've

647
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: talked about how in the community that you've created, there's

648
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: like people all over having the same experience. Yeah, that

649
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: was another thing that you have gotten from this community

650
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: that you didn't know, you know was even possible. When

651
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: you began.

652
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: Connection was number one. First when I shared.

653
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: When I started sharing on social media, I was like,

654
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm not talking to myself Like I

655
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 3: was twenty three when I had my first child. I

656
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: had maybe one friend who had a baby, and that

657
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 3: baby ate perfectly, So I didn't have many friends to

658
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: talk about my struggles with.

659
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 2: So connection was number one, And number two.

660
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: Was how far of a reach that could go a

661
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: lot of the things that I learned to do with

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Speaker 3: my with my first like toy rotation, all of that

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Speaker 3: open ended toys, was actually connecting with mothers in Australia

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Speaker 3: and in other countries because we don't have the same

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Speaker 3: play principles in our country as we do as they

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Speaker 3: do in others. I'm from Venezuela, so for me, I

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00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 3: grew up making Plato, making slime textures and not slim

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Speaker 3: that's a new thing, but slime texture sand I grew

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Speaker 3: up making all of these things because we didn't get

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Speaker 3: shipments of Plato to Venezuela different right, it.

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Speaker 2: Was just different.

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Speaker 3: So being able to kind of like reconnect with myself

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Speaker 3: and my childhood through connecting with other mothers in other

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Speaker 3: countries was a huge It's a huge thing for me.

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Speaker 2: Even now.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I'll be talking to someone like a normal conversation

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Speaker 3: and then they're like, by the way, is your book

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Speaker 3: going to be shipped to South Africa? And I was like,

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Speaker 3: you're in South Africa, what can you send it a picture?

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Speaker 3: I want to see your backyard.

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Speaker 1: So but that's amazing and it just shows that so

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Speaker 1: many people are creating connection. And I always say that,

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Speaker 1: like everyone talks about the pregnancy, and there's so many

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Speaker 1: books on pregnancy, yes, and nobody talks about like after

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Speaker 1: when maybe you know, you go to like a baby group,

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Speaker 1: like I when I was thirty, so a lot of

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Speaker 1: the people around me were having kids and I would

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Speaker 1: go to a baby group and my first would cry

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Speaker 1: in the car, like hysterically cry, but everybody else was

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Speaker 1: like very sleep and he does this. And I remember

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Speaker 1: I was talking to my husband yesterday. We were driving

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Speaker 1: downtown and it was like the longest drive, and I

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Speaker 1: was like, do you remember when we would drive. We

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Speaker 1: would drive Ace for his nap because I was convinced

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Speaker 1: he needed to nap, but I was so scared wouldn't

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Speaker 1: nap that I would drive rob. I drove all the

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Speaker 1: way to Malibu.

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Speaker 2: You know, yes, you're correct.

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Speaker 1: Things that were like that. I wish if I had

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Speaker 1: had somebody that was like, oh I feel that too,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have felt so alone.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was years ago.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's incredible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I imagine having an online community then where not

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Speaker 3: only did what you shared your shared experience made them

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Speaker 3: feel safe, but them also speaking to you and being

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Speaker 3: like that happens to me.

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Speaker 2: Too, This is not weird. I also have Yeah, that's right,

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Speaker 2: and it's so it's mutually beneficial. And I say that

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Speaker 2: all the time.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, if it wasn't for you, I don't know

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Speaker 3: if I would have made I would have made it through,

714
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Speaker 3: but it would have been worse, much worse.

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Speaker 2: It would have been much worse. And your guidance helps

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Speaker 2: me a lot.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes my kids will like, I can't figure out what

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Speaker 3: it is, but since my three year old have started preschool,

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Speaker 3: she gets this is like allergic reaction only at school.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, and I did all the allergy tests,

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Speaker 3: I did all the things, and everything comes back to negative.

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Speaker 3: So I was like, guys, I need your help. I

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Speaker 3: need your help. We're gonna put on investigative hats. So

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Speaker 3: I shared this online and literally got like fifteen hundred

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00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 3: responses as to that happened to my child too. It

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00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: was this that happens to me, and it was just

727
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 3: try this, try that, like so many different ways, and

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Speaker 3: now sure can get the allergy anymore.

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Speaker 1: Like you have two point one million friends literally but

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Speaker 1: ideas off.

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Speaker 3: But it looked But to me, it feels like I'm

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Speaker 3: facetiming with my one best friend right right, and that

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Speaker 3: is really cool.

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Speaker 2: That is really cool.

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Speaker 3: I try as much as I can to not curate,

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Speaker 3: especially my stories. My feet is a different animal, you

737
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Speaker 3: know what That's like. Takes a lot of editing to

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Speaker 3: make a look after listen, But your story gives a

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Speaker 3: direct connection to people.

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Speaker 2: So I try for it to be.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like day in the life every day, and

742
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Speaker 3: that brings me closer to people every single day, every single.

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Speaker 2: Day in a different way.

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Speaker 1: Your home, which is like you know, yes, exactly, you

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00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: can see my homi and see that right now. My

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Speaker 1: garage is a slime factory.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: It's I don't but it is. My youngest is obsessed

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Speaker 1: with making slime and then he sells it.

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Speaker 2: He's a business man.

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Speaker 1: But there's some everywhere in the I just like it's

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Speaker 1: the garage. That's okay, but that's amazing.

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Speaker 3: One of the topics that I talked about in Playful

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Speaker 3: by Design, it's specifically that it's like, hey, if.

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00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: Your kid is interested in something messy, you can do

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00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: two things.

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00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 3: Take it outside or take it to the bath. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: just put it in areas where it's.

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Speaker 2: An easy yes. You don't have to say no.

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00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,479
Speaker 3: It's like, sure, you want to play with the money,

761
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Speaker 3: go ahead, do it in the bathtub. Or if it's

762
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Speaker 3: a beautiful day outside, take it outside and you can

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Speaker 3: hose everybody down. So and also on balconies. I used

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Speaker 3: to live in an apartment with the one child. Trust me,

765
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: is possible. They'll come to me.

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Speaker 2: I live in an apartment. I can't do that. I

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Speaker 2: know you can't.

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Speaker 3: I did it.

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Speaker 2: I have the pictures to prove it.

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Speaker 1: I'm really so glad that we got to talk, and

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that you took the time. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much, Thank you.

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Speaker 3: This is so wonderful.

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Speaker 1: May thirteen, Yeah, thank you so much. Oh by Design.

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Speaker 1: And I'm gonna call I'm gonna I know that Zippy's

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Speaker 1: is sold out, but I'm going to try to come

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Speaker 1: to me.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I would love to see you. I love that.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, and have the most exciting new chapter in

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Speaker 1: your life with this book. I'm I'm rooting for you.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I hope I get to hug

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00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 2: you in real life. That gell me too. Thank you

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Speaker 2: all right, Thank you guye.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening to What in the

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Speaker 1: Winkler Join us next week and follow us on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at What in the Winkler Pod and on TikTok What

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Speaker 1: in the Winkler Pod, And make sure to buy Miriam

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Speaker 1: Sandler's new book, Playful by Design, comes aut May thirteenth.

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Speaker 1: Thank you,