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Speaker 1: Though many believers desire a closer walk with Jesus, distractions

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Speaker 1: of life can try to disrupt our quiet time, and

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Speaker 1: today's guest reveals the profound joy of a more intimate

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Speaker 2: The Secret Place.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, Joiney around the table,

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Speaker 1: it is my dear friend, Cindy Johnston.

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Speaker 2: How are you. Hey, Hey, I'm doing well. The Secret Place?

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Speaker 3: Yes, that scripture comes to mind, he that dwells in

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Speaker 3: the secret Place of the Most High. Yeah, shall abide

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Speaker 3: under the shadow of the Almighty. And that time that

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Speaker 3: we have with God, God is the time of refuge

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Speaker 3: and restoration.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's really important. Yep. And a kindall. How

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Speaker 4: Oh, I'm just great good. And I love the fact

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Speaker 4: that we're going to talk about this secret Place. I

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Speaker 4: think there's so many secret places we need to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Dorothy Newton, how are you. I'm doing so good, Jonie.

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Speaker 5: And you know what, there's never ever a better place

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Speaker 5: and a special intimate time with God and just you know,

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Speaker 2: It's just the most beautiful thing. It really is.

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Speaker 1: And I think you know we're going to talk especially

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Speaker 1: about when difficult things happen, are you still able to

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Speaker 2: And what happens when we do. That's when it counts

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Speaker 1: Yes, it doesn't preach well, I not that we want

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Speaker 1: to go through that, but it's so true. Rebecca lamb Wise,

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Speaker 1: I know this is right down your alley.

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Speaker 2: This is right down my alley.

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Speaker 6: And just even being here, I just feel God's presence

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Speaker 6: And I'm just so excited to talk about the Secret

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Speaker 6: Place because every believer should be partaking in the Secret Place.

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Speaker 6: And I don't think it's talked about enough in church,

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Speaker 6: but it's pivotal for our life in Christ.

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Speaker 2: It really is. Cindy Murdoch, how are you?

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Speaker 7: My life I feel like has been in the sacred place.

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Speaker 7: Yea at his feet where healing and hope, Yes, has

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And on the other side of pressing in at times,

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Speaker 1: you've gotten some of your greatest miracles.

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Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely, Yeah, we're going to talk about that. Well.

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Speaker 1: Bob Sorghy has devoted decades to exploring the profound mystery

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Speaker 1: why the sacred Space is not just a destination but

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Speaker 2: So you will.

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Speaker 1: Notice that he has a microphone. He's going to tell

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Speaker 1: you what happened. There was a surgery that he had

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Speaker 2: But welcome, Bob. So glad to have you. Thank you

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Speaker 2: So tell us what happened.

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Speaker 9: Well, I suffered an injury to my voice. This happened

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Speaker 1: And of course what people don't know is that you

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Speaker 9: I've been a worship leader for years, and so it

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Speaker 9: And the Lord said to me that if I would

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Speaker 9: It's not the fire that changes you. It's the pursuit

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Speaker 9: But if you will come after God and press them

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Speaker 8: Purpose is for your life.

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Speaker 1: Well, I know you're going to be such an encouragement

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Speaker 1: to someone that's watching right now, and I just want

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Speaker 1: just about ready, just like Bob said, to give up

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Speaker 1: Pray for you today and encourage you that God can

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Speaker 1: give you that courage and that perseverance and that persevering spirit.

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Speaker 1: And it's in that secret place, it's in that quiet time,

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Speaker 1: get stronger and God's going to actually show you some

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Speaker 2: So stay right there.

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Speaker 1: I ask you earlier, Bob, and you said, I don't

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Speaker 1: it is is just so miraculous to me. But when

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Speaker 2: They are there, but we're going.

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Speaker 1: To encourage them to press through because God has so

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Speaker 2: The other side of it. What was your real turning

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Speaker 1: How did you kind of make a turn to be like, Okay,

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Speaker 8: There was no single moment.

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Speaker 9: It was a daily walk with Jesus, just every day,

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Speaker 9: a beautiful verse in the Revelation three, verse twenty where

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Speaker 9: Jesus says, behold, I stand at the door and knock,

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Speaker 9: and he's actually inviting us into the secret place. In

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Speaker 9: we often miss, Johnny, is the first immediately in front

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Speaker 9: like this. As many as I love, I rebuke, and Jason, listen,

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Speaker 9: You've got the God of the universe knocking on your door.

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Speaker 9: And when God himself takes hold of your life and

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Speaker 9: he says, I'm because I believe that his knocking is knocking,

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Speaker 9: is is chastening in our lives.

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Speaker 8: I have been chastened by the Lord. That's what this is.

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Speaker 9: It's not all that it is, but it's a chastening

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Speaker 9: He's been knocking at our heart store. There's somebody listening

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Speaker 9: to this right now. You've been wondering, why has that

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Speaker 9: That's because he's not just trying to teach you a lesson.

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Speaker 9: He's trying to rewrite your DNA. He is crafting everything

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Speaker 1: So talk a little bit about suffering, but also talk

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Speaker 2: For you know that the journey's not over for you.

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Speaker 2: You told me. I'm still on the journey, and I'm

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Speaker 2: believing God for a complete healing.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely. He is the Alpha and the Omega.

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Speaker 9: He is the writer of our story, and he sees

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Speaker 9: his promises, and it's it's here. Here's the tension that

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Speaker 9: I found myself in, Johnny. I struggled with the tension

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Speaker 9: between process and finish, between journey and destination. Before though, Okay,

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna be honest with you right now, before this

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Speaker 9: happened to me, I was.

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Speaker 9: I was one of these people that just like, let's

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Speaker 9: I didn't really have much realm in my theology for process.

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Speaker 8: But I have become through this journey. I have become

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Speaker 9: Slash destination Christian. I believe in the journey and I

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Speaker 9: Don't take his promises away from me. Don't take the

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Speaker 9: of Jesus Christ. He can he healed the people that couldn't,

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Speaker 8: Don't take that away from me.

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Speaker 1: the New Testament, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. It's the

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Speaker 1: a blessing to you. I do want to thank Bob

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Speaker 2: Thank you Bob, Thank you ladies.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm really excited that you're going

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Speaker 1: to sense and fill the presence of.

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Speaker 2: God in a way that you never have before.

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Speaker 1: So you embrace that right now and just breathe it

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Speaker 1: in and say thank you Jesus, thank you for this

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Speaker 1: message today. Thank you for this encouragement. I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to give up. I'm going to continue on. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to lean with the wind and I'm going to push forward.

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Speaker 1: Jesus name. We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 11: Bye bye for today.

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Speaker 1: Well, our guest today has an amazing story that feels

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Speaker 1: like a modern day fairy tale. She grew up in Tilsa, Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: For marrying into a prominent and influential family. Well, she's

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Speaker 1: here to share how God has used her to spread

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Speaker 1: the gospel to countless people, even Princess Diana, and how

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Speaker 1: she discovered healing and hope following a deeply painful season

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Speaker 1: in her life. But before we get to that, joined

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Speaker 1: me around the table is Cindy Johnston.

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Speaker 2: Did I give enough juicy tidbit? Since you're going to

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Speaker 2: say tuned for this? Yes? And I love Princess Diana.

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Speaker 2: I think that is so cool.

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Speaker 3: But you know, hearing people's stories and seeing the resilience

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Speaker 3: in them and seeing the faithfulness of God is always

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Speaker 3: wonderful to hear.

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Speaker 2: It really is. Anna Kendall, how are you?

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Speaker 4: I am just delighted to be here, But I love

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Speaker 4: the testimony we're going to hear today and we're going

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Speaker 4: to learn so much.

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Speaker 2: It's good. Rachel Lamb Brown.

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Speaker 12: It's a wild ride when you trust Jesus, so you

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Speaker 12: never know where he's going to take you. You can start

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Speaker 12: one place end up in an entirely different one. And

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Speaker 12: I love to hear those stories of transformation and just

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Speaker 12: promotion and.

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Speaker 1: For sure, for sure Jorthy Newton hell love all been

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Speaker 1: on a journey right, Oh, Mike, you wrote a book

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Speaker 1: on a journey.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Silent cry what I know for sure?

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Speaker 5: And said God's redeeming love, it's faithfulness, forgiveness, it's all part.

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Speaker 2: Of it, you know.

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Speaker 1: And you're similar to Drew and that you went through

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Speaker 1: a divorce, famous person. You have two sons, Yes, very similar.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's going to be good. Cindy Murdock,

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Speaker 2: how are you. I'm doing all right? Yeah? Well, you

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Speaker 2: definitely have our stories. We have our stories, don't we.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, all the girls have pretty much told

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Speaker 1: their story on the table if you haven't seen those

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Speaker 1: shows with each because y'all always telling me we want

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Speaker 1: to hear everybody's story. So we did that, and you

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Speaker 1: told your story. A lot of people are surprised, like

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Speaker 1: all that happened to Cindy, Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and two sons as well. Well, wow, that's anazy.

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Speaker 2: I think the key.

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Speaker 7: We're going to see in the story today, I think

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Speaker 7: people definitely do not want to miss this story. For sure,

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Speaker 7: a woman's faithfulness to stand and be courageous in that,

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Speaker 7: to be faithful to God no matter what happens in

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Speaker 7: your life.

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Speaker 1: And we're talking about Drew Hammer is at the table. Welcome,

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: For having me, so fun to meet you are so

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Speaker 2: good to have you.

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Speaker 1: Well, today's guest joins us to share how her unwavering

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Speaker 1: faith in God became the foundation for finding freedom and

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Speaker 1: restoration after facing a deep personal hurt. And of course, Drew,

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Speaker 1: you write about this in the book. I'm sure that

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Speaker 1: when you got married, how many years ago would it be?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 13: Oh you know what do you know?

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Speaker 14: January twelfth would have been our fortieth wedding anniversary. Wow?

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Speaker 14: I just I went, wow, how is that forty years?

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Speaker 14: It's crazy, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Wow?

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Speaker 1: But see, you're going to talk about this in the book,

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Speaker 1: So let's kind of start at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: If we could about you growing up. You grew up

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Speaker 2: in a Christian home.

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Speaker 1: I did really gave you, don't you think a solid foundation,

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Speaker 1: oh for what you would be.

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Speaker 2: Through in today life.

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Speaker 14: I always say, if I hadn't been raised in my family,

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Speaker 14: I would have been an axe murder. I mean, because

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Speaker 14: I'm thinking somebody's going.

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Speaker 13: To die here and it is amazing.

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Speaker 14: So you know, when you're raised in a Pentecostal home

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Speaker 14: like that and you see the faithfulness of God. You know,

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Speaker 14: my dad, my parents traveled all over the world with

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Speaker 14: a healing ministry. And when you see I actually will

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Speaker 14: tell you a quick story is when I was a

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Speaker 14: senior in high school. That's when my dad was called

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Speaker 14: into a healing ministry. And he was a businessman, and

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Speaker 14: he made a deal with God. He said, I will

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Speaker 14: go anywhere you want me to go, but I will

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Speaker 14: never take up an offering if you bless my businesses.

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Speaker 14: And God blessed his businesses, and we traveled all over

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Speaker 14: the world and my dad paid for every dime he

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Speaker 14: rented the facilities he had healing ministries. And when he

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Speaker 14: was first called it was in the front page of

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Speaker 14: the Tulsa World, you know, Tulsa businessman, because he had

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Speaker 14: owned you know, one of the banks downtown Tulsa businessman

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Speaker 14: is called into healing ministry. Well, you know, in high school,

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Speaker 14: not everybody's a Pentecostal like we were, and they thought

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Speaker 14: we were crazy and I lost all my friends. I

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Speaker 14: went from homecoming queen and nobody would talk to me,

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Speaker 14: and I was like, I am not for this right now?

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Speaker 14: Could you not have waited till I go to college?

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Speaker 14: So my dad started getting calls because it was the

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Speaker 14: White Pages then, and they started calling to have my

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Speaker 14: dad come pray for them. And one night, it was

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Speaker 14: a snowy night, my dad said, Drew, will you go

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Speaker 14: with me? You know, Mom wants to stay home with

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Speaker 14: my younger sister mel And I said, okay, you know

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Speaker 14: me grudgingly, and we go and we go into this old,

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Speaker 14: broken down trailer home. And this woman was gray and

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Speaker 14: probably weighed eighty pounds, and the doctors literally sent her

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Speaker 14: home to die, and she had cancer all through her body.

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Speaker 13: And my dad always made.

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Speaker 14: Sure first that she knew Jesus personally, because that's eternal healing.

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Speaker 14: And my dad prayed for her and I watched her

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Speaker 14: hair grow out of her head before my eyes, and

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Speaker 14: the Lord spoke to me and he said Drew, I'm

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Speaker 14: going to take you into a very big world. Ever

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Speaker 14: deny my power, and if that doesn't change your life,

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Speaker 14: nothing will. So basically, I'm a little unbearable woman.

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Speaker 13: Radically healed her.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing that, mate.

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Speaker 1: Well, I love the way you describe yourself. Rachel's gonna

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Speaker 1: love this part. Out of the three kids, there's your

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Speaker 1: older sister, you describe her, and then there's Drew, and

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Speaker 1: then your mom was never gonna have another one, and

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Speaker 1: then you had.

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Speaker 14: Because I was a terror, That's why I would never sleep.

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Speaker 14: I mean I even got a report card in kindergarten.

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Speaker 14: Does not play well with others because I wanted them

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Speaker 14: to do what I wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Do and you got it in the middle of the

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Speaker 1: night and the lord around the house.

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Speaker 14: Uh huh oh oh. I was horrible. I was absolutely

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Speaker 14: I wouldn't have had any Yeah. Yeah, I was definitely

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Speaker 14: the stubborn. But you know, God can use that too,

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Speaker 14: if it's.

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Speaker 13: Only in the right way.

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Speaker 14: So when I say I would have been a bad

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Speaker 14: I'm a you know, I can be a bad person anyway,

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Speaker 14: and I to repent all the time. But that really

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Speaker 14: formed my entire life growing.

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Speaker 2: Up, and your dad.

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Speaker 1: He kind of recognized that in you and helped hone

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Speaker 1: that don't.

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Speaker 14: You did, Oh, definitely, And you know my dad was

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Speaker 14: a disciplinarian. I'm probably the only one that got the

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Speaker 14: belt because you know I was trouble. But you know,

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Speaker 14: God just used that now to where I just don't care.

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Speaker 14: I just don't care what anybody thinks about me. And

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Speaker 14: that's how I was able to minister to Princess die.

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Speaker 14: I'm like, God, wherever you put me and wherever anybody

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Speaker 14: puts this rather. And you know it's funny because I

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Speaker 14: would always minister to the women in Beverly Hills, and

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Speaker 14: very few of them ever listened. So I'd go on

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Speaker 14: the back and get their housekeepers because they're all important.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 14: So when I started at the La Dream Center, you know,

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Speaker 14: helping there, administering to the women, Army says to me

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Speaker 14: one time, he goes, Mom, you finally found a group

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Speaker 14: of women who will listen to me.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, pretty much, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean people did this, and so let's go back.

624
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Speaker 1: Because you would marry into a very influential family. Tell

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Speaker 1: us about meeting Michael, getting married and meeting the patriarch.

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Speaker 2: If you would of the family.

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Speaker 14: Well, we met on an airplane and it was one

628
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Speaker 14: of those God things where he walked on the plane

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Speaker 14: and the Lord spoke to me and said, that is

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Speaker 14: your man. And I was a year out of college.

631
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Speaker 14: I wasn't looking for it. I didn't want to get married.

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Speaker 14: It was very independent. I had my own business and

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Speaker 14: I played in tennis tournaments. And I was like, way

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Speaker 14: to go, God, I mean, he's really good looking.

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Speaker 2: This will work for me.

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Speaker 14: And God miraculously put us on the same plane. And

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Speaker 14: I really didn't know who he was because there was

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Speaker 14: not Google or anything before.

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Speaker 2: And he went on to the back of the plane

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Speaker 2: and ended in a middle seat. But he was how tall.

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Speaker 2: He's six'.

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Speaker 14: Three so he stood up and he, SAID i am

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Speaker 14: so sorry because he actually missed his earlier.

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Speaker 2: Flight so he.

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Speaker 13: Ran to get on my.

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Speaker 2: Flight AND i think it was muse there.

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Speaker 14: LIES i don't even think it's in business. Anymore and

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Speaker 14: he comes running on at the last and he stood

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Speaker 14: up and, said is there anyone and you know who

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Speaker 14: changes trades a middle seat for an aisle. Seat the

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Speaker 14: woman next to, me, Oh i'll be happy to trade

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Speaker 14: if that Isn't, God and we go to. Lunch she

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Speaker 14: invited me to lunch the next, day AND i guess

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Speaker 14: on the whole, flight and then he invites you to.

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Speaker 14: Lunch you and we go to, lunch AND i start

656
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 14: talking About jesus Because i'm, like what else is there

657
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Speaker 14: to talk?

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Speaker 2: About, Really that's the only thing.

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Speaker 14: Eternal and it was, Interesting well it Was, god because he, said,

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Speaker 14: WOW i had a. Grandmother she was A russian baroness

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Speaker 14: and she Was Russian orthodox and would always talk to

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00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 14: me About jesus WHEN i was a, child and she

663
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 14: died WHEN i was very.

664
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 13: Young and he, said but when you talk to me About.

665
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 14: Jesus all these words are coming back to. Me and

666
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 14: she's the only person in my life who ever prayed with.

667
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 14: Me we would kneel down before she would put me

668
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 14: to bed and she would pray with. Me so that

669
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 14: just shows us That god's word will ever returned.

670
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:05,320
Speaker 2: Void and so how soon before he popped the, Question.

671
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 13: Well we were in middle Of.

672
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,479
Speaker 14: Texas he had to be on an oil business thing down,

673
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 14: there and we're driving to dinner and he, SAID i

674
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 14: am medally in love with.

675
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,759
Speaker 13: You will you marry? Me AND i, said, duh what

676
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 13: took you so, long and so we were.

677
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 2: Engaged we don't recommend that Every, YEAH i, KNOW i.

678
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 14: Know well apparently it didn't totally turn out well for.

679
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: Me so getting any weeks three.

680
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 6: Wait three weeks after you three?

681
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 2: Weeks, yeah there's the mouth go open right.

682
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 12: There, YEAH i think it's The jesus he saw in.

683
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 2: You yere's something.

684
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 14: Different, Course, yeah, well you know, what it was A god.

685
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 14: Thing AND i was, like how many people asked, me you,

686
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 14: know because of the infidelities and because of you, know

687
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 14: did you make a? Mistake AND i, said you, know

688
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 14: do you think it was a? Mistake AND i, Said

689
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 14: god doesn't make. MISTAKES i knew when he walked on

690
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 14: the plane he was supposed to be my. Soulmate you,

691
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 14: know when we walked down the, aisle we walked down

692
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 14: thinking this is the man we're going to spend the

693
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 14: rest of our lives.

694
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 13: With But god gives us a, choice a free.

695
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 14: Will so he made choices that Ruined god's.

696
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: Intention so you actually got, married had two, kids and

697
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,720
Speaker 1: then seven years into the marriage.

698
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: Devastation what?

699
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 14: Happened, yes, WELL i found out about. Infidelities he actually

700
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 14: came to. Me but then he told you he just admitted.

701
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 13: It he.

702
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 14: Did he, SAID i have to talk to you about.

703
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 14: Something he had, guilt and so he sat me down

704
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 14: and we had a five year old and we had

705
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 14: a three year, old two, sons AND i loved, him

706
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 14: AND i wanted my children to have a father because

707
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 14: we know the breakdown in marriages today and families and

708
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 14: what it does to, children because that's the devil's greatest,

709
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 14: TOOL i, believe is the breakdown of the. Family and

710
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 14: there's no husband in the, home and you, know we

711
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,959
Speaker 14: as women talk about you, know, oh, well my sons

712
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 14: wouldn't treat me this way if their father was. Here

713
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 14: there's something about the strength That god made as the

714
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 14: man being the, head the spiritual, head the physical head

715
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 14: of the.

716
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 13: Family he was repentant that he was.

717
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 2: Repentant that was the.

718
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 13: Key, Then, yes that was the.

719
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 2: Key you'll decided to work it.

720
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 1: Out, Yes and then nineteen years, LATER i know we're jumping,

721
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: ahead And i'll get to the PART i want every

722
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: week to. Hear that's going to help, You so stay right.

723
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: There so what happened nineteen years, Later.

724
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 14: WELL I god gave me a dream and my body

725
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 14: started falling, apart and you, Know i'm forty nine years,

726
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 14: old so you, know of course we, go, Well i'm

727
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 14: going through. Menopause i'm not sleeping my, Body i'm exhausted

728
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 14: all the. Time SO i go to the doctor and

729
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 14: he takes blood tests and, SAYS i need to see

730
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 14: you personally in my.

731
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 13: Office well then you're, like he has to.

732
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 14: See me, Personally SO i go and he, said what

733
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 14: in the world is going on in your? Life because

734
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 14: you're you're literally falling. Apart you're thyroid to shut down your.

735
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 14: Anemic your body temperature is ninety two going you, know

736
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 14: your blood measure aren't. Right and he, said what is going?

737
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 14: On but here's the KEY i think that we all,

738
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 14: know But i'd love to share is sometimes our spirit

739
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 14: man knows something our physical mind has not caught up to.

740
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:17,640
Speaker 14: It so something was wrong in my spirit AND i knew,

741
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 14: it BUT i didn't know what it. Was SO i

742
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 14: went home that night AND i, Said, god you got

743
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 14: to show me Because i'm going through the.

744
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 13: List we don't have many.

745
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 14: Problems army just booked his first huge, Movie Social, network

746
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 14: so he you, know that's what he aspired to do

747
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 14: is be an. Actor victor was In pepperdine madly in,

748
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 14: love had fallen in. Love you, KNOW i was Going

749
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 14: no one's, sick no family members have.

750
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 2: Died i'm going through the whole.

751
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 13: Thing.

752
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 14: Nothing so here's WHAT i recommend you doing if something

753
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 14: like this is going, on is just Seek god and, Say,

754
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 14: god show me what is going on that my mind

755
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 14: is not aware.

756
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 13: Of and that NIGHT i had a.

757
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 14: Dream AND i was IN i basically was in bed

758
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 14: with a. Demon AND i woke up that next morning

759
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 14: AND i, knew you, KNOW i knew exactly what it.

760
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 14: Was And i'm not saying my husband was a, demon

761
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 14: but he allowed this sin to come into our. Marriage

762
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 14: did you confront?

763
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 2: Him oh that?

764
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 13: Night are you kidding?

765
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 14: Me i'm, like what you, say let's just handle this right. Now,

766
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 14: WELL i, said we're going to stay home. Tonight we

767
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 14: would go out to dinner every, night and you, know

768
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 14: you can't have that conversation in a. Restaurant AND i, said,

769
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 14: well how long have you been having an? Affair after

770
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 14: we were you, know, portum a little truth, Serum and he's,

771
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,359
Speaker 14: like what are you talking? ABOUT i, go, Well god

772
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 14: told me the first, time BECAUSE i kind of knew

773
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 14: a little bit. Before AND i think that's why he

774
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 14: confronted me because he probably THOUGHT i might have suspected.

775
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 14: Something AND i, said, well you know That god speaks

776
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 14: to me BECAUSE i see, him and when we see,

777
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 14: him he is there for. Us we will find, him

778
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 14: but he's always. There and SO i, said there's two

779
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 14: ways we can handle. This can admit and we can

780
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 14: figure out how we're going to go, forward or you

781
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 14: can continue lying about, it and it's just going to

782
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 14: be strife and its eventually going to come.

783
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 13: Out the truth always comes.

784
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 14: Out and he looked me in the eyes and you,

785
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,440
Speaker 14: said you're. Right and here's the interesting. Thing once the

786
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 14: demons are, exposed all hell breaks. Out we went from

787
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 14: being best, friends, lovers the whole thing to that night

788
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 14: he looked me in the eyes and told me he

789
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 14: was going to kill.

790
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 13: Me that's the.

791
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: Devil well, wow how did you respond to?

792
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 14: That, well you, KNOW i look back at that And i'm,

793
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,719
Speaker 14: like you stayed in the same bed with?

794
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: Him what a deem?

795
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 13: Bad i'm, like are YOU i THINK i.

796
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 2: Was way over to the side, Though oh oh, HONEY i.

797
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: WAS i was.

798
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 14: Here IF i would have gone one more, INCH i

799
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 14: fallen off that.

800
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 13: Bed let me tell.

801
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 14: You but the thing is IS i was so numb

802
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 14: because it happened so. Quickly it wasn't like we had

803
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 14: terrible marriage problem for twenty. YEARS i MEAN i THOUGHT

804
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 14: i was we had the best marriage.

805
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 13: Alive you, know we never this.

806
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: One he was.

807
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: Different he was not, Repented he was not sorry for

808
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: what he was not.

809
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 12: Sorry why do you think he went and looked for

810
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 12: affection and other women if feel as.

811
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 14: MARRIAGE i know exactly why is he was, sexually, physically

812
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 14: verbally abused as a. Child he was kind of like

813
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 14: that poor little rich kid sent off to boarding school

814
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 14: in the fifth. GRADE i think there were iniquities that

815
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 14: were passed, down BUT i WISH i knew that we

816
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 14: needed to dealt deal with the deep hidden hurt and

817
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 14: abuse that my husband dealt.

818
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,439
Speaker 2: With SO i.

819
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 14: Think he got his whole self affirmation from the attention of.

820
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,760
Speaker 14: Women AND i have to tell you since my, DIVORCE

821
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 14: i went through a period of that BECAUSE i went

822
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 14: and saw a therapist and she, said, well you didn't

823
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 14: do what he did as far as having sex with,

824
00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 14: him but you used attention to fill you, know this

825
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 14: this abandonment issue that you've, had and you Know i've

826
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 14: had commitment issues AND i used attention to deal with

827
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 14: that Which god wants us to a hundred percent turn to.

828
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 14: Him you, know it's not about the attention of a,

829
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 14: person it's About. God and here's HOW i say. IT

830
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 14: i have always Loved, jesus BUT i didn't always fear.

831
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 14: Him now when my life came crashing, DOWN i fear The,

832
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 14: lord And.

833
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 2: I'm really of. Wisdom there The lord's.

834
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: Yes and one of the THINGS i know you talked

835
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: about is that for two years going through the, divorce

836
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: you did file for divorce because there was no, repentance,

837
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 1: none and so you agree to go meet him at the.

838
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: Restaurant it's kind of callous at that.

839
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 2: Point oh my.

840
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 14: Gosh so you, KNOW i finally said in the, CONVERSATION i,

841
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 14: SAID i just have a question for. You why would

842
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 14: you be willing to throw away your? Family are moments of?

843
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 14: Pleasure and he picked his glass up and it was

844
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 14: just like, This he goes because it was. Fun AND i, thought,

845
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 14: well no children left behind and no great designer bags left.

846
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 14: Behind SO i grabbed that bag AND i went out

847
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 14: and called a taxi AND i knew it was.

848
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 13: Over that's when you know there's no, repentance.

849
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 2: Because it takes two. People it takes two.

850
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 1: Work, yes, okay so let's get to the usual.

851
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: Trip. Okay so so you finally get the divorce. Finalize.

852
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 14: Yes and my Friend Kathy Lee gifford calls me and,

853
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 14: said we are going To israel.

854
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 13: Together you need to walk Where jesus.

855
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 14: Walked AND i go And i'm telling, You i'm A stepford.

856
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 14: Wife you know where they take the women and make them.

857
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 13: Robots.

858
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 14: YES i shut down my emotion BECAUSE i was, like so,

859
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 14: stubborn that child's stubbornness came out of.

860
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 2: Me AND i was, like you will.

861
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 14: Never see me, cry you, Know so you just block your.

862
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: Emotions i'm going to show everybody how STRONG i.

863
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: Am, yes.

864
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 13: Exactly you're not going to ruin.

865
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 14: Me so we go To israel And i'm walking down

866
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 14: the road To gysemite AND i feel, nothing And i'm,

867
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 14: like wait a, Minute i'm supposed to.

868
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 13: Like have These god.

869
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 14: Moments BECAUSE i shut down my, emotions that was my

870
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 14: self preservation AND servi Height, yes thank. You AND i

871
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 14: was standing in cesarea Where paul stood trial for ministering

872
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 14: the gospel in front Of King, herod AND i see

873
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 14: this stone and it's in a shape of a, heart

874
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 14: but it looks like a jeweler had hammered.

875
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 2: It it's not the perfect commercial.

876
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 14: Heart AND i picked it up and The lord spoke

877
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 14: to me From ezekiel thirty six twenty six AND i

878
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 14: didn't even know that verse was in.

879
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 13: THERE i have to be.

880
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 14: Honest And god, SAID i will take your heart of

881
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,799
Speaker 14: stone And i'm going to turn it to flesh And

882
00:47:41,840 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 14: i'm going to heal your. Heart AND i Told joni

883
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 14: that was the first TIME i Thought i'm going.

884
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: To be, okay, wow, wow and you would go on

885
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: and take that. HEART i think we have a picture

886
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: of it that you can see that's at the actual.

887
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: Heart And god gave you an idea for that to

888
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: missure to others that have gone through.

889
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 14: H i had a cast in, silver golden pave. Diamond

890
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 14: and the first TIME i spoke at a big gala

891
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 14: for Child. Help i'm on The National board Of Child,

892
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 14: help which has saved over twelve million children from child.

893
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 13: Abuse they're.

894
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,800
Speaker 14: Amazing AND i spoke at the gala AND i, said

895
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 14: kind of gave my story AND i, said if there's

896
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 14: anyone in here who has a hammered, heart it all

897
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 14: goes back to help women who have gone through the

898
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 14: same thing every, dime and it will go all one

899
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,439
Speaker 14: hundred percent of the proceeds will go to child help

900
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 14: who've been.

901
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 13: Abused and had their hearts.

902
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 14: Hammered and they put it up for auction and seven

903
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 14: of them sold for fifty thousand dollars a, Piece so

904
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 14: in one, night three hundred and fifty thousand dollars a

905
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 14: sad but you, know that's when you know it's A god,

906
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 14: idea Because i'm, LIKE i.

907
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: Would have never come up with, That and so.

908
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: The emotions came up when you saw that heart And

909
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: god spoke to.

910
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 2: You, well, well he, said fountain was.

911
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 14: Open, yes the fountain was, open and he, Said i'm

912
00:48:55,760 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 14: going to heal your. Heart but not only that. Is

913
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:03,279
Speaker 14: god said to, ME i gave you that heart for a.

914
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 14: Reason AND i got a flat tire one day AND

915
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 14: i was sitting at the dealership and all of a,

916
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 14: sudden This god moment came over me, again and it

917
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 14: was like warm olive oil was poured over, me And god,

918
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 14: SAID i gave you that heart for. Reason when you got,

919
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 14: divorced it was an. Inconvenience there are millions of women

920
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 14: in this country that get a divorce that can't buy

921
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 14: a dozen, eggs So.

922
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 13: God sells those.

923
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 14: Hearts AND i also have a brand on drewville dot

924
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 14: com and It's drewville BECAUSE i decorate in hot pink

925
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 14: and lime, greens and my sons tell everybody they grew

926
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 14: up In. Whoville so my brand's Called drewville AND i

927
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 14: sell things and it all goes into my foundation to

928
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 14: help single women that just aren't making. It and Because

929
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 14: i'm a five oh ONE c, THREE i have to

930
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 14: give it into other five like churches and then they'll

931
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 14: administer it to single, women buy them gas cards or,

932
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 14: groceries or help them if they're back in their electric

933
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 14: bills or. Whatever the other THING i think is really,

934
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 14: important especially for those of you that you can relate

935
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 14: to What drew's talking.

936
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: About maybe you have experienced betrayal or Heard, yes it's

937
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 1: not through it. YET i just want to encourage you're

938
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: going to get through. It, Yes, well one of the

939
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: ways you get through it is you get, up you

940
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: stand back, up and you start every day Saying, god

941
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: what are we doing? Today and you give out even

942
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: in the middle of. PAIN i, Know, dorothy you can

943
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: relate to, that and you were there serving at The Dream.

944
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 2: Center all of these women.

945
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: Change right in the middle when you couldn't eat and

946
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 1: you were like.

947
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 13: Walking oh you should have seen. ME i was a

948
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:34,600
Speaker 13: disa you're describing the.

949
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 2: BOOK i was.

950
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 14: GRAY i you, know probably weighed thirty pounds. Less my

951
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 14: hair was falling out and the whole top.

952
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: Of my hair went. WHITE i, mean it's amazing what stress.

953
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 14: Does BUT i, think like what you, said serve others

954
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 14: that are less fortunate than. You and then it's hard

955
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 14: to have a pity party because there's a lot of

956
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 14: problems in this. World and that's why titled it. Hammered

957
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 14: every heart has been. Hammered But god is.

958
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: Faithful yes see as quickly tail the princess.

959
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 2: Dies oh.

960
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 14: Okay so because Of, armand we would go on different

961
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 14: events with, them and one was at The breakers In

962
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,280
Speaker 14: Palm beach AND i met her and it was always

963
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 14: pleasantries because she had to put her guard up because

964
00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 14: you can't you know anything that she. Said you, know

965
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 14: people could sell stories for millions of, Dollars so it.

966
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:20,120
Speaker 13: Was always kind of.

967
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 14: Pleasantries but After francis had, Died armand's wife we went

968
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 14: to an event For armand and it was a very

969
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 14: small like A vvp reception writing On armand's. Coattails and

970
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 14: she walked right up to me and, Said, drew AND.

971
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 2: I, thought that's.

972
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 13: Weird princess died knows my.

973
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,799
Speaker 14: NAME i, MEAN i was, like and she, Said i'm

974
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 14: so sorry About. Francis and she pulled me. Aside she,

975
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 14: goes BUT i have to ask you a. QUESTION i,

976
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 14: said what she, said did you get the? Jewels AND i,

977
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 14: go you're kidding. ME i, said you have a vault

978
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 14: of royal jewels and you're asking me. That and she, said, oh,

979
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 14: no nobody had jewels Like francis. Did AND i, said

980
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 14: you know, what let me tell you, Something, PRINCESS i,

981
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 14: SAID i. DID i ended up giving them to our

982
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,640
Speaker 14: foundation and we sold them because you'd get killed for

983
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 14: wearing those. THINGS i, said but guess what she took

984
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 14: with her when she went to. HEAVEN i said. Nothing

985
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 14: she didn't take those jewels with.

986
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: HER i.

987
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,839
Speaker 14: Said the only thing she took with her is her

988
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 14: relationship With. Jesus she Loved, jesus And jesus gives us eternal,

989
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 14: life so he Gave god gave me an, opening little. Window,

990
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 14: Yes but then after, that about a year later it

991
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 14: came out in the press how she was anorexic and

992
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 14: they were having all these. Problems she tried to kill,

993
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 14: herself throw herself down the. Stairs AND i was going

994
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 14: through the exact same. Thing that was the seven years

995
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 14: IN i just found out about the, infidelities AND i

996
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 14: WAS i THINK i had an, exercise anorexic. Thing it

997
00:52:52,600 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 14: was one THING i could, control And i'd go out

998
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 14: and run ten miles and you, know and that's an idol,

999
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 14: too by the, way THAT i had to deal. With

1000
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 14: and The lord, said write a. Note And i'm Like,

1001
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 14: god she.

1002
00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 2: SAID i really a good note for.

1003
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 13: ME i, mean you, know we argue With.

1004
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 14: God didn't sleep for five, days And god kept, saying

1005
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 14: write her and. Letter, well you, KNOW i would, say

1006
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 14: suggestion number, one just be obedient To god the first

1007
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 14: time and then you'll. Sleep SO i finally got up

1008
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 14: in the middle of the. NIGHT i can tell YOU

1009
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 14: i remember some of, it but it was like a

1010
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 14: three page, letter AND i really don't even remember WHAT

1011
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 14: i said in, there BUT i, SAID i have gone

1012
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 14: through something similar a smidgen of what you've gone, through

1013
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 14: because yours is all over the. World BUT i understand

1014
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:40,759
Speaker 14: about the. BETRAYAL i understand about the eating and you

1015
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 14: know the exercise. DISORDERS i, said but that's when we

1016
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 14: have to turn To. Jesus AND i told her my whole.

1017
00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 14: STORY i, said this is all you have to do

1018
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 14: is Ask jesus to forgive you of your, sins come

1019
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 14: into my heart as my lord and. Savior and THEN

1020
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 14: i had to embarrassingly, enough Call armand's assistant and, say

1021
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 14: CAN i Have princess dies private?

1022
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 13: Address and THEN i had.

1023
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 14: To go to the post office AND i hand a

1024
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 14: letter and back then you, know they have to weigh

1025
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 14: it and put an international stamp on. It And i'm,

1026
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 14: LIKE i probably look like a child going writing a

1027
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 14: letter To Santa. Claus they're, like what woman thinks this

1028
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 14: is ever going to get to?

1029
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 11: Her?

1030
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 14: Right AND i sent it to her AND i never

1031
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 14: expected to hear, back AND i. Didn't but it was

1032
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 14: so interesting because the night that she was in that car,

1033
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 14: Wreck god kept, saying my word never returns. Void AND

1034
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 14: i believe That god kept her alive until she came

1035
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 14: into that. Encounter if she, didn't THEN i just Believe

1036
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 14: god had a plan which shows. This we just all

1037
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 14: have to minister in whatever Area god places us In

1038
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 14: and by the, way you know the housekeeper isn't any more.

1039
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 14: IMPORTANT i, mean isn't any less important Than princess. Died

1040
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 14: it's just Wherever god puts us share the.

1041
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 2: Gospel, yeah we are out of.

1042
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 1: Time it goes by so. Fast but, Yes, drew thank

1043
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: you so much for sharing your. Story LIKE i, said

1044
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:02,799
Speaker 1: all the details are in. Here she goes into a

1045
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: lot of y'all want to get the book now and. Read,

1046
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: YES i want you to remember that no matter your

1047
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 1: past mistakes or current, Struggles god can redeem every part

1048
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: of your story for his. Glory you just do Like drew.

1049
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: Did you run into his arms and you receive his.

1050
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:20,960
Speaker 1: Love he wants to have a personal relationship with you

1051
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: more than, anything and all you have to do if

1052
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: you if you don't have that is just call out

1053
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: on his name and, Say, JESUS i need you come

1054
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: into my heart forgive, me And he will do.

1055
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,640
Speaker 2: So and it's just that. Simple that's all you have to. Do,

1056
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: First john one and nine, said if we.

1057
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: Confess our, Sins he's faithful and just to forgive us

1058
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: of all our sins inclinses from all. Unrighteousness and guess

1059
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: what we have the promise of eternal.

1060
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 2: Life that's What drew was talking.

1061
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: About this life is just a stepping stone to the

1062
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:51,280
Speaker 1: life to. Come so if you haven't prayed that, prayer

1063
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: do that right. Now and if you're watching and you

1064
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: need prayer for something that's going on in your.

1065
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: Life maybe you know The, lord but you've been through

1066
00:55:57,680 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: betrayal and you're.

1067
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: Struggling that's why that prayer numbers on the. Screen we

1068
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: have amazing prayer partners standing, by ready to pray with.

1069
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: YOU i want to Thank Drew hammer for joining us.

1070
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: Today be sure to pick up a copy of her Book,

1071
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: Hammered We've All Been hammered and for. More you can

1072
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: visit her online at drewville dot com and as, always

1073
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 1: make sure to follow us on all social. Media subscribe

1074
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: to our YouTube channel for full episodes and exclusive, content

1075
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 1: and let us know how Table talk is touching your.

1076
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: Life we love hearing from. You you can also listen to

1077
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:28,520
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1078
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Speaker 1: the major, platforms AND i know.

1079
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 2: That'll be a blessing to.

1080
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: You i'm excited about those of you that, pray those

1081
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: of you that are calling and just allowing The lord

1082
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: to do something in your life that only he can.

1083
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 1: Do thank, you, Ladies thank You. Drew we hope to

1084
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: have you back for update on. Everything now she's just

1085
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: part of, us she's.

1086
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 13: Joined WHY i thank, you. LADIES i want to be

1087
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 13: one of the. Girls but we love.

1088
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 2: You thank you so much for. Watching we'll see you next.

1089
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 2: Time by bye bods today