1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: Look mad, oh, I see you? Why why? And look 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:11,240 Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: culture racist calling Matt. But I feel have a feeling. 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 1: I know what you want to talk about. What do 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: you think I want to talk about? Well, Bowen actually tests. 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:25,159 Speaker 1: He didn't test me. Actually I believe it actually was 7 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of a test. It was also a 8 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: text because a test can be attacked. It's actually a 9 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: leal culture number forty nine attacked, can be attacked. And 10 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 1: I said to me and vice versa, it's it's actually 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: a verse. It's a verse situation. Um, like Zachary Quinto maybe, um, 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 1: just kidding, don't don't just just just throwing it out 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: there as a possibility. Um, he has top energy. To me, actually, 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: this can all be cut. I think we keep this anyway. 15 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: I think that we keep this just throwing it out there. Um, 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: everyone should be very us. Were all adults anyway? Were 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 1: all it's actually a roller culture number ninety nine, everyone 18 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: at all? Right, So the text was are you watching 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: selling Sunset? And I had to say I had been 20 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: made it through some part of the first season, but 21 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: wasn't as excited as Bowen seemed to be. Bowen Yang. 22 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: You are deep into selling Sunset. Well, I am not 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: even that deep. I mean, there's some folks out there 24 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: who have. I was talking to Mrs Rose Dammio. She 25 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: had been to the whole all three seasons in one weekend, um, 26 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: and we were we were sort of sharing thoughts, but 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 1: I was I had put this out last week. I 28 00:01:41,360 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: was asking people, is it worth it. I'm always suspicious 29 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: of these shows that are just all white, that these 30 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: reality shows that have all wait casts. I don't know 31 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 1: what the value in this is. I don't particularly care 32 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: for real estate um or for properties. You think you don't, 33 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: you think you don't, and then I mean, but this, 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if it's good or about that. 35 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: The show sort of like versus you. There's that word again, 36 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 1: versus you in the langue and like the truly in 37 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: sort of the world of realists. And now I'm just 38 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: now I'm paying attention to the counters and the finishes 39 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Oh yeah, I didn't even really 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: know what staging meant until now. I'm not happy that 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 1: I do, but I have to say it is like 42 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: that's actually my wo The whole show lulls you in 43 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: even with the drama, because the first like five episodes 44 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: of season one, I would say, I'm just like, I 45 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: don't really I'm just doing the dishes as I watched this, 46 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 1: I'm not really invested. I'm not like yeah, on the 47 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: edge of my seat. And then all the threads sort 48 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: of come together by the last two episodes in the 49 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: first season and then you're like, Okay, now we're now 50 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 1: We're off to the races. It's sort of like mad 51 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: Men in that way, right, So Son of So Selling 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,360 Speaker 1: Sunset is a lot like it's the mad Men of 53 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: Dumb the Hills offshoot reality shows, which this very much is. 54 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,919 Speaker 1: Even the fonts how they introduced the character really give 55 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: me the Hills, and like, I feel like this is 56 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: like if the Hills girls grew up and like really 57 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: engaged in their job and like really good at their job. 58 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 1: If it was all Whitneys, if it was all Whitney's 59 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,399 Speaker 1: on the Hill, if it was nine whitney Ports and 60 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: some of them sort of did fun things with their hair, 61 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,680 Speaker 1: and they all have to sit in a like open 62 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: office plan, which I love their office. It's really fun. Also, unfortunately, 63 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: I would suck the Twins would have would let both 64 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: the twins take me, probably at the same time. And 65 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: that's just my journey. You don't have you don't have 66 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 1: to agree, you do have to respect. And this is 67 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: what I'll say, here's how I'm feeling about the girls. 68 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: Christine Quinn could sell me a migraine for a half 69 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,119 Speaker 1: a million dollars. I would be too scared to say. Now. 70 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: She is the show. She is the show. If Christine 71 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: Quinn asked me do you have dementia? I would say, yes, 72 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: I do have dementia. I'd be like, yeah, yeah, this 73 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: is this is a reference on the show. I mean 74 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: she so so she and chrishll have this big fight 75 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 1: at the end of season one. She she takes Chris 76 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: shell up on um for selectively forgetting something that she 77 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: had said, and then Christine keeps saying the line do 78 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: you have dementia? Which is kind of kind of wild 79 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: and but if if Christine, if if I was confronted 80 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 1: with that line of questioning, I would say yes, just everyone, 81 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: I want you to imagine your worst bully from childhood 82 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: looking you in the eyes, and they're the hottest they've 83 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: ever looked, and they keep yelling at you. Do you 84 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: have dementia. That's sort of the reality programming that Bowen 85 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: and I are hashtag standing right now. Not only that, 86 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: but if your childhood bully, if your high school bully 87 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: was an a fab drag queen like fully who, like 88 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: I told you this, man, I think she is like 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: an echo of Regina George. Oh yeah, you pointed out 90 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 1: that made a lot of sense when you pointed out 91 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: Bone was saying that Regina George might have been a 92 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: formative character in Christine Quinn's life. Well, the way that 93 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: you and I talk about how Rachel McAdams as Regina 94 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: George has influenced the whole generation of blonde women who 95 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: are cruel like I, I think I think Christine is 96 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 1: is has sort of inherited that um that's sort of existence. 97 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: And I think, so it's so wonderful. And Christine, here's 98 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 1: the thing. She's funny, she's smart, and she is competent, 99 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: like I believe her to be a good agent. I 100 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: don't Chrischelle, Heather, I don't. I don't know about that. 101 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: I watched the show and I watched them sort of 102 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: do their showings, and I'm like, Krishell, why are you 103 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 1: so nervous? Yeah, well, I'll tell you so uncomfortable doing this, 104 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,279 Speaker 1: Krishell to me, I can't. Here's the thing about Krischelle. 105 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: When you are someone like Krischell and you walk into 106 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: Christine's space, you actually do have to earn Christine's yes, 107 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: And the way that you don't earn her respect is 108 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: by cowering around, like sort of being nervous around her. 109 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 1: When someone comes in the room and you go, I'm sorry, 110 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: I have to go get a drink. You're you're being 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: dramatic and be you are like running away from conflict. 112 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: And let me tell you some of my Christine, who 113 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,919 Speaker 1: is a formidable reality television show villain, is not going 114 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: to respect that. And it's gonna be harder for you 115 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: if you keep creating these problems for yourself by not 116 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: standing up and being a tough bitch in a in 117 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: a workplace with tough bitches and the rest of them. 118 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,600 Speaker 1: Sort of I'm like on the fence about like Heather, 119 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: I feel like has like um hold on energy, and 120 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, girl, what's happening here? I agree? I feel 121 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: like Christine Maya are are sort of like that. I 122 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: see them sort of uh excelling in that environment. And 123 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: and I believe them to be good agents. Mary as well. 124 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: All I like Mary. I can't believe her boyfriend can't 125 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: believe Mary's born. We can't. We can't really talk about Romaine. 126 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: I don't. It's too it's it's it's a lot, but 127 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: it's fraud, it's fraught. I think that um cryschell. Fran 128 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: Harada pointed this out. Chrystell As as an actress, she 129 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: needs people to like her and that's why she keeps crumbling. 130 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: And with Christine, she doesn't give a funk what anyone thinks. 131 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: This is who I am actually, and it doesn't end 132 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: like and it's just it's it's truly an embodiment of confidence, 133 00:07:35,000 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: and it's so alluring. It's you're riveted, You're like, I 134 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: want to like she's the star, Like let's let's fix 135 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: on her. The way that her stepping out of a 136 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: vehicle is a cinematic moment just whenever you see whenever 137 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: they're talking about Christine, and then they cut to a 138 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: scene of just legs entering like a luxury vehicle and 139 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: the song the songs come in. It literally we were 140 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: said we could we could like like improvised songs that 141 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: would play. It's like you better hurry up because the 142 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: crocs are coming in you. You can't stand the heat. 143 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: Like it's just like she's just like really like she 144 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: should put out a single? Should put she should put 145 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: out a single? And that, actually, interestingly enough, is quite 146 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: a good segue into what I have to say. Is 147 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: our are true like distinguished guests. I am so excited. 148 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: I'm so excited they're here. Um, I mean just this 149 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: year alone, the the the work has been stellar. I 150 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 1: mean where would where think about think about where where 151 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: we would be without music this year? My life would 152 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: be so much worse without music this year, specifically music 153 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: music specifically. I was going to say our our guests 154 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: contributions to the musical canon, and we don't say that lightly, okay, 155 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: because it is canon? And also can I say something 156 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: it was it was late last year or maybe earlier 157 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: this year when my concept of time has gone out 158 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: the window. But who's who's been standing lose you to 159 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: love me from the beginning, who's been standing from the beginning, 160 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers And you've been standing where the beginning? Love 161 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: rare and our our our our lovely friend Leland. I mean, 162 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: what a beautiful sort of convergence of talent there um. 163 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean Selena. Selena not only has an army of 164 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: gays that are her fans, she's got an army of 165 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: gays behind the scenes. And the queers are are they 166 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: know that to combine with Selena is something special. Yes, 167 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:55,840 Speaker 1: And our guests is actually rocking our shirt that says 168 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: Queers Together and that's actually an early front runner for 169 00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: title of m early front runner, Matt, why don't you 170 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: go through the credits. I would be pleased to go 171 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: through their credits. So everyone just in two thousand twenty alone, 172 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: our guest has written songs on Selena Gomez is rare. 173 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga's Chromatica. Have you ever heard of it? I've 174 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: been like stomping the fields on my hikes lately to Chromatica. 175 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: Romatica an amazing workout album if you have. If you didn't, well, 176 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: I've been hiking the Griffith Park and it's Chromatica actually 177 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: has been driving me. One of my personal favorite albums 178 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 1: of the year, Gaslighter Do Alipa's Future Nostalgia. Literally, you 179 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: could put the fucking album of the Year Grammy, like 180 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: put together with all of this for me and from 181 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: my point of view anyway, and the aces under my 182 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: influence just to name a few, including one of the 183 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 1: songs he wrote was of Course you Lose You to 184 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: Love Me, which I just mentioned before, which was number 185 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: one hit on the Billboard, which is not for nothing 186 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 1: and achievement. They also wrote I Am I Am America 187 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 1: with Sia Diamond who we know Diamond at Yes at 188 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: this gala. Yes we met her at the human rights gala. 189 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 1: They she had performed when m Bowen received his Visibility Awards. 190 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: She is unbelievable, also not for nothing, but contributed songs 191 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: to thank you. Next the Jonas Brothers Happiness Begins, Camilla, Caabaos, Romance, 192 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Kesho's High Road, like all truly unbelievable albums. And I 193 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: have to say, like even going back, like I have 194 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,679 Speaker 1: songs to bring up that I've been my jams on 195 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: older albums. He worked with Kelly on a song that 196 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: I love and I want to talk about UM and yes, 197 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: I'm so they're excited to um but UM. Basically, this 198 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: is an activist singer songwriter extraordinaire. I always love to 199 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: have people that have actually made contributions to the culture. 200 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: And this is one of those people. I don't know 201 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: if I'm supposed to talk yet, but that's too hard 202 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: not to laugh at that. So well that well, thank 203 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 1: you laughing. And the person who that lifel musical laughter 204 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: belongs to is the one the only welcome to your ears, Justin, 205 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: and thank you so much for having me. I'm I'm 206 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: as you all know, I like message you or interact 207 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 1: with you on the internet like at least twice a 208 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: day because I'm I'm obsessed with both of you. So 209 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: it's a we loved you honor to be here. It's 210 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 1: I mean, we we don't lie when we say like 211 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: you really have, like you are a part of our lives, 212 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: like you have created so much of what we enjoy, 213 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 1: what we consume. So this is so exciting for us 214 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: to talk to you. Well, thank you, thank And it's 215 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: so cool too for you guys to talk about everything 216 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: that um I've worked on that came out this year, 217 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: because not that I'm complaining, but so much gets brought 218 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: back to like my my first couple of years of success. 219 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: It's really cool to talk about the stuff that came 220 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: out now because obviously with COVID and everything, I'm not 221 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: like doing a thousand interviews. So it's nice to hear 222 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: people talk about the Dixie Chicks and all that stuff. 223 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: It's all totally um. I think we'll talk about this 224 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: is this is just a concept that I am like 225 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: fascinated with, just in terms of creative practice in general, 226 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: because I was reading I was reading an interview if 227 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: You're justin where you were talking about how the transition 228 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: from being a vocalist yourself and and and being in 229 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: this group and performing and touring was wonderful and gratifying 230 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: and so great, but that you seem to be more 231 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: suited towards helping other people writing to their voices, and 232 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: that you just you just love the practice around writing 233 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,200 Speaker 1: for other people, which I know, like I don't know 234 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: why I'm so like fixated on this. I'm just I'm 235 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: just I'm I'm like sort of like I always spot 236 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: these people out. These people stand out to me anytime 237 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 1: like they make that known. Like it takes like it 238 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: takes a creative competence to say I am good at 239 00:13:56,400 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 1: helping other people be creative. I think know for me, 240 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: I was just it happened at the right time, and 241 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: I mean like literal like my age. It was like 242 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: happened at the right age, where like the band had 243 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: been through so much fucking bullshit, like every industry cliche, 244 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 1: have dropped from four record deals, and you know, obviously 245 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: being a queer person and am person like people just 246 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: saying to you, like emails that were sent to the 247 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: whole record label like hey be less gay, or hey 248 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: can we edit out this shot because your hand is 249 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: moving too femininely, which is hysterical hand, your hand is 250 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 1: moving gay and like, well you do know that shot 251 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: the whole video in like gold glitter eyeshadow and the 252 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 1: six inch heels, I don't really know. The hand isn't 253 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: going to really help the situations too late. That sounds 254 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: like a gay eraser. We can take to this. It's 255 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: just kind of what it is, semi precious weapons. We 256 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: should say. Yes, the band was called Signs of Weapons. 257 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: Um fabulous glamrock situation, New York City based. We opened 258 00:14:57,440 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: for Gaga, we opened for Cashow, We did a whole 259 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: bunch of awesome ship But when the opportunity to try 260 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: to write with and four other people showed up, I 261 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: was like fuck it, Like what else do I have 262 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: to lose? I've been dropped from all the record deals. Um, 263 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: and then I discovered how beautiful it was. And I 264 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: think because in my band, I was living my truth 265 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: so boldly, um and like a definitely like heightened version 266 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: of my truth. It was like hyper sex, hyper fem 267 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: hyper everything. UM, still who I was, but it was 268 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: like going for it that I think it really makes it. 269 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 1: I have the skill set now to help other people 270 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 1: go for whatever their truth is. And it has sadly 271 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: got to be a glam rocker with a six inch 272 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: heel collection, but it is digging into people's truths about 273 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: whether it's like their breakup or something weirder than that 274 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. And I just kind of found, 275 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: um that it's like such an underrated thing to help 276 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: other people tell their stories. I think we're also obsessed 277 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: with telling our own ship, which is good too. Yes. Yeah, 278 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 1: And you've really found the emotion in pop like this 279 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: is this is what? This is Something that I really 280 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: respond to. Is I love emotional pop music. I love 281 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 1: fun pop music. So many of your songs are so fun. 282 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: But the reason I love Lose You to Love Me 283 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: so much is because it really feels like Selena Gomez 284 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 1: is truth and it really feels like it came from, 285 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: you know, the belly of her particular beast, and I 286 00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: really I really responded to that and respected her um 287 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: so much. Really with this whole album, which I actually 288 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: have on vinyl um Yeah, and uh, it's really the 289 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: album fucking slaps and that song, as I think the 290 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: intro to that album was such a bold choice because 291 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: it is a balad, you know it is. It is 292 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: more emotional than stuff that we're accustomed to hearing from 293 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: Selena Gomez. But I think it was really the right 294 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: choice because you have to trust the audience that loves 295 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: the artist, you know what I mean, like and I 296 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: think that's what I think. That was a really really 297 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: good choice of the first single, and what a success 298 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: it was, well, and it was her first choice, that 299 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: was it was really Selena is so amazing in so 300 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:11,240 Speaker 1: many ways. Uh, if she wants to at some point 301 00:17:11,240 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 1: in life, she'd be the best A and R that 302 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 1: there is. She here's the coolest song, She co writes 303 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: the coolest songs, and she picks good for You was 304 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: her putting her foot down from the last album Good 305 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,159 Speaker 1: for You. Good for You was her putting her the 306 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: label loved it, but they just didn't think that was 307 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: a single because radio wasn't that minimal at that point. 308 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't that sort of like mid tempo linear pop 309 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 1: music was not a thing. But then it did go 310 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: in that direction. Well, you know, I had to do 311 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: what I had to do. We have someone here that 312 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: had a little something to do with it. No, but 313 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: it was Selena going, this is my first fucking single, 314 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 1: going all right, let's see what happens. And then it 315 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: was you know, number one on pop radio, and then 316 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: the same thing, will Lose You to Love Me, not 317 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: a typical first single, but also the whole idea of 318 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: the one to punch of going with lose You to 319 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: Love Me, and then surprised the next day there was 320 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: look at her Now all Selena's idea too. So I'm 321 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: very grateful to be in the room and be a 322 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: part of the sun Rine process. But when it comes 323 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: down to those choices and when it comes to Selena, 324 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: it's all she has complete control of it and like 325 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: tells people what is happening. It's really cool to watch. Okay, 326 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: that's that's that. I I do just want to say 327 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 1: how phenomenal look at her now? Is just then, I 328 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: mean sort of if you want. I mean, I want 329 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 1: to just put out there and correct me if I'm wrong, justin. 330 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: But like the chorus is basically wow, look at it now. 331 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 1: It's it's so like it's so skeletal and like simple, 332 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: and yet it like fucking like hits you like it. 333 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 1: It hits the ear so well that you're like, wait this, 334 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: there's there's just enough going on here. It's not like 335 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: it's just it's just so well constructed and so stable 336 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: with what it has. It's I don't know that that 337 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: is so so fucking sweet, and I will I love 338 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: that song so much. And when she told us that 339 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: she's gonna do the one to punch, I was like, 340 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,440 Speaker 1: that's really really smart. But also I think look at it, 341 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: and I was like, such a fucking smash and could 342 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: go to number one on radio on its own and 343 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: gave it its own life. But in terms of the storytelling, 344 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,639 Speaker 1: it was so smart, so like she was right in 345 00:19:11,680 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: the long run. But as a songwriter, you want like 346 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: all of your of course that it was she was, 347 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: she was, she did the right thing. She was I 348 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: think as an artist, like trying to see the forest 349 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: for the trees there. And I actually really loved that 350 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: both those songs were out because it made me more 351 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: excited for the album, which I was going to speak 352 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: a lot of different languages. And I would say, also, 353 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: the thing about um look at It Now that I 354 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: love is it is a song that is really telling 355 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: a story, but the choruses is exactly what you're saying, 356 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And I also just love 357 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: the lyric. Of course she was sad, she's glad, she 358 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: thought a bullet to soak up the tears. But look 359 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: at her Now, which is a perfect follow up to 360 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 1: Lose You to Love Me. I didn't realize that storytelling 361 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,719 Speaker 1: that she was so intentional with that that you know 362 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: it follows up directly from that song, you know. I 363 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: always said, like, you know, people who were child stars 364 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: or who got a moment of like random viral fame 365 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: from whatever website they get viral on, they can have 366 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: one hit or one moment or whatever it is. When 367 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 1: there is when it happens again and again. It has 368 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: to be because the artist is in charge of it 369 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: and knows what they're doing, you know what I'm saying, 370 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: Like some kids randomly blow up on TikTok and have 371 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: one hit. If that kid has fifteen hits, there's a reason, 372 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 1: you know that it is that that person has that talent. 373 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: So Selena coming from Disney, if there would have just 374 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: been one hit, well she was famous on Disney and 375 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: it just happened. Now there's been so many. You you 376 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: know that it is because of her. It is because 377 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: she is that good. Yeah, that's part of totally what 378 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 1: do you make of artists where the assumption sometimes for 379 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: an audience is while they couldn't have like masterminded this 380 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,080 Speaker 1: whole thing, they have a whole team behind them, Like 381 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: like like where like how do you sort of place 382 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: that power, in that control in anyone that you work with? 383 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,159 Speaker 1: You know, I get asked a tell, what doesn't it 384 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: make you so mad that like you're the one like 385 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: writing the songs and they get all the credit, and like, well, 386 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,199 Speaker 1: first of all, I'm co writing the songs, but second 387 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: of all, like it always takes a team. Someone has 388 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: to be in charge, but it always takes a team. 389 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 1: And if it's so funny, no one is furious that 390 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: Meryl Streep didn't write and direct and star in her film. 391 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 1: Yet people get furious that pop Stars had help and 392 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: I don't. It's such an interesting Whitney Houston never wrote 393 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: a song. She's a artist, and you can't say she's 394 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,399 Speaker 1: not exactly or like Dally Parton is one of the 395 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: great American songwriters. But she also if she hears a 396 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: song that somebody else wrote and she loves it, she 397 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: will sing that fucking thing, you know. So it's I 398 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: just have to laugh it off because people do get 399 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: weird about it, But like, what are we gonna do? Yeah, 400 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,760 Speaker 1: so I did I and I did just want to 401 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: like we definitely went through the credits. But I want 402 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: people that might not be as familiar to just understand 403 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: the breath of like your influence on music. So I 404 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:58,400 Speaker 1: want to list some artists that you've worked with. Britney Spears, 405 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: Gwen Stefani, Lincoln par Kelly Clarkson, Who's My Girl, Selena Gomez, 406 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: Justin Bieber, d n C Kesha, who I've really been 407 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: enjoying her last album actually lately, and I feel like 408 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: people slept on um in real life, Fifth Harmony, Five 409 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: Seconds of Summer, Arianna Gaga, of course, B Miller, and 410 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: Fallout Boy, just to name a few. Obviously, in addition, 411 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: to that is your girl, Julia Michael, who is your 412 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: your partner? Yeah, but about like half of the songs 413 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: I've ever written have been with with Julia. Yeah. We 414 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 1: we once we met kind of, we just had this 415 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: magical chemistry and wrote. I would say that for their 416 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: like three years, I wrote like the songs I wrote 417 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 1: I wrote with her. Um. And then obviously she became 418 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,719 Speaker 1: a pop star in her own right, um, and I 419 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: had to keep working. So you know, I'm not about 420 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 1: to go on tour again. So I so now there 421 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:53,159 Speaker 1: is a whole other chapter. Um, that stuff that I 422 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: didn't do with Julia. But what fucking sucks. Obviously COVID 423 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: sucks for a lot of reasons. One of the reasons 424 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 1: that it sucks for me is that me and Julie 425 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: a she wasn't gonna tour this year, and we were, 426 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: we were already back in the studio. We did. Um. 427 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard Czara Larson's Love Me Land, 428 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: but I think you would love it. It's a really 429 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: fair song called love Me Land that me and Julia did, 430 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: And me and Julie are about to go do a 431 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: whole bunch of ship together and then obviously everything got 432 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 1: shut down. But yeah, that's my girl. I mean hearing 433 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 1: you talk about Julia the way that she's taken off 434 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 1: who and she still managed to maintain this songwriting. Yeah, 435 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: she's been spitting that play like among like the performance aspect, 436 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: and it's good that she like knows her comfort, she 437 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: knows her line in terms of like if she doesn't 438 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: want to tour, then that's like fully her decision, which 439 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: is like perfect, Like are you at this point and 440 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: not to bring up seveny precious weapons again? But are 441 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 1: you sort of I mean, was was that did at 442 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: least such a terrible taste in your mouth that you 443 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 1: just have no interest in anymore? Or I mean, are 444 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: you open to it in the future. That's such a 445 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: weird thing because the guys in the band were alsto 446 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 1: really close. The drummer in the band works with me 447 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 1: on a whole bunch of stuff. I'm currently making a 448 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: queer Christmas album for a very very magical project that 449 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: will be announced soon. Um, it's really exciting. It's it's 450 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,640 Speaker 1: no fucking joke. And the drummer from SPW is with 451 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: me working on the whole thing, so we're all still 452 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 1: super good it was just the experience of kind of 453 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: what I went through and it all happened. You know, 454 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 1: this was like spw's peak years, like two thousand and 455 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: eight to two thousand and eleven twelve, and like you know, 456 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: the ship that reporters would say about our band. They 457 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: would lose their jobs now for the blatant homophobia that 458 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: would be said and creative ship. But it was just 459 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: kind of exhausted me. And this is going so well, 460 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: I don't really want to funk with it, you know, 461 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: And I'm finding that, um there are things I miss. 462 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: I miss talking about the visual I miss talking about 463 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: the live show our band. For the live show, we 464 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: were not known for our songs, which is funny because 465 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: now I'm a professional songwriter, but um so I missed that. 466 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: But you know, I have artists signed to me now 467 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: and we get to talk about their videos and talk 468 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: about what the show might look like if you know, 469 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: America ever gets this fucking ship together and we can 470 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: all look for again. Um Or, Like I'm working on 471 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: a bunch of film and TV stuff, which is super 472 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 1: exciting because there's it's not just write the song and 473 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,160 Speaker 1: go home. There's a whole big conversation involved, so those 474 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: things that I do miss from being an abandoned touring 475 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: and performing, I'm finding ways to like scratch those itches 476 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 1: in other places. So, um, just to talk about this 477 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: year a little bit more. I have a couple of 478 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: questions because you've truly worked on, I mean, several of 479 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 1: my favorite albums this year. I mean just just even 480 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: talking about Chromatica and Gaslighter and Future Nostalgia that's like 481 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: so unbelievable. But I did want to ask about Chromatica 482 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: specifically first, because you wrote nine one one. What intel 483 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: did you have about the CHROMATICA truth to transition into? 484 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 1: Like did you know that was happening when you heard it? 485 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: What did you think? Like, what did that moment feel like? 486 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: I wish there was a story to tell you. I 487 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: had no part of that process. I wrote Alice and 488 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: I went one with you know. It was like we 489 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 1: we we did two days for the album and those 490 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,639 Speaker 1: were the two songs. And me and me and Gota 491 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: go back years and years when be open for her 492 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: her first couple of shows as Lady Gaga were opening 493 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: from my band in New York. There's this really cool 494 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: full circle for us to be together and write songs. 495 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: You know, well we never wrote in the old days, 496 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,479 Speaker 1: so right together finally and um, but then you know, 497 00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: Stars Born happened because we wrote the songs before Starsborn 498 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: came out, and so Stories Store is Born, Star Storis Bar, 499 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: Stories and Barn happened. That's about. It's great great film, 500 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: great film. Um And obviously you know the conversations about 501 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: what was happening on CHROMATICA. We're not that they ended, 502 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 1: but for me they did because I wrote the songs 503 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,160 Speaker 1: and then she went and did a you know, six 504 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 1: month long promo tour for Stars Born. Um, so when 505 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,719 Speaker 1: I didn't hear I heard it. When you heard it, 506 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: that's the first time. That was such a moment. I'm like, 507 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: I remember listening to it the first time through it 508 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: that moment, just like that collapse into that song and 509 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: just how so it's it's such it's such a highlight 510 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 1: of an album that is chocked full of highlights. So 511 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: it's it's just I had to know, like what you 512 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: felt when you heard that happen, like because it really 513 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: does it just it rocket launches you into that next Well, 514 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: I actually, to be honest, I didn't know what was 515 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: even I just saw like ten thousand tweets of Carmatica 516 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 1: two into nine one one. What the fund are they 517 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 1: talking about? I don't even know what's happening. It was 518 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: also to like a lot of the old school fans 519 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: who either fell in love with us in New York 520 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: at the same time or fell in love with my 521 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: band because we were on tour with her. They were 522 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: so excited that we were back together in some version. Um, 523 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,919 Speaker 1: and so they're all just tweeting directly at me or 524 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 1: tagging me, and I'm like, what the funk are these 525 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: kids talking about? UM? And so then I listened like 526 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: it's mean, it's so good, and then to have it 527 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: become like the meme of the year is pretty pretty fierce, 528 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: pretty fierce literally incredible, and then um, so to totally 529 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: shift gears musically. You also worked on gas Lighter, and 530 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: you wrote so many great things on this on this album, 531 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: like Texas Man Is is incredible. My favorite song I 532 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,920 Speaker 1: think is sleep at Night. I always love like I 533 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,320 Speaker 1: love a good fucking I love like a great pop song, 534 00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: And I just wanted to ask, like, what was it 535 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: like to work on that with the icons that are 536 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 1: the chicks, like you know, like it's like gay people 537 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: who have the internet, we say icon a lot, but 538 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: like they actually are like yeah, for no, for sure, 539 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean this is no no hyper no hyperbole. This 540 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: they are it. All three of them though, like like 541 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: you watch you go back and watch it up and sing, 542 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, they all had the way they all 543 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: supported each other and Natalie and I mean, like you 544 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: just that's that that isn't that that almost never happens 545 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: that kind of like harmony and that support. It's it's 546 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 1: so beautiful and inspiring. But yes, their icons. What was 547 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: that like? Walking in the first day, which was also 548 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: fabulous because as me and Teddy Geiger, who I don't 549 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 1: know if you love, one of the greatest producers of 550 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: our time, and she's just she came out as trans 551 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, and so it's just like 552 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: for you know these we all know that the chicks 553 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 1: are really progressive. We like, we know that, but still 554 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: their country queens, right, So to like have these country 555 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 1: icons with me and you know, possibly the biggest trans 556 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: music producer in the world, you know, um, pretty cool 557 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: moment for the first day that we meet, and the 558 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: first day we met was sleep at night so I 559 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: mean that that song is so great and I just love, 560 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: like I said, just it's so emotional and it's so 561 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: and there's something about you know, you know, the song 562 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: is beautifully written. And also Natalie mains voice. I mean, 563 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: we talked about how you can feel everything she's gone 564 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,440 Speaker 1: through in her voice. The voices is pure heaven. And 565 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: what was so fun too, is like so she's you know, 566 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: it's it's a it's an odd experience. You guys are writers, 567 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: you understand like you sometimes you know, I don't know 568 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: how if it works for you guys, but for me, 569 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: a lot of times, you you write songs with someone, 570 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: you just met them. There's no lunch beforehand, there's no anything. 571 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: So it's like you just meet this person and I'm 572 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 1: beyond starstruck. And my my intro to the Chicks is 573 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: a little bit different than a lot of people. I 574 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: was Patty Griffin obsessed in in the late nineties. Um 575 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: so I saw her perform at like the B stage 576 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: of Lila Fair and like nineties six or ninety seven 577 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: or something. Patty Griffin, who if you don't know who 578 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: she is, she's like kind of like the queen of 579 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: new folk music. Americana just like Heaven, and the Chicks 580 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 1: were obsessed with Patty and UM covered a couple of 581 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: her songs, including Fly which would let him fly on 582 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,280 Speaker 1: out Fly, which was amazing song. And so I was like, oh, 583 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: what's this country group covering Patty Griffin? And so then 584 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: I fell in love with the Chicks that way. And 585 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: so even though I found the Chicks in a different 586 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: way than most people, I was still obsessed. And so 587 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: you're meeting this person who's an icon, who I've loved 588 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: for years, over twenty years, yeah, twenty years, and you 589 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 1: just have to write a song for a second you meet. 590 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: And obviously she was going through a lot of crazy 591 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: things in her personal life. That's her story to tell, 592 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: not mine, but she's been public about it so we 593 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: can all we all know what's happening. And you know, 594 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 1: we're just saying people say things, and my favorite thing 595 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: to do in the sessions go whatever someone just said, Okay, 596 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,760 Speaker 1: well that's going in the song. Well that's kind of 597 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: a mouthful. How do we fit it in to an 598 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: actual melody and the lyric? And so those pre courses 599 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: were just like taking direct words from her mouth and 600 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: finding melodies for them, and the other ones can be 601 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 1: like more poetic and whatever. But I love to find 602 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: those lyrics in the song that are just like, no, 603 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: someone actually said that, now we're going to sing it 604 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: because it just like cuts that much deeper. It's just 605 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: so funny. I have to laugh, like there's nothing funny 606 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: about that, like like like that pre court, like like 607 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: those elements you would say, my husband's girlfriend's husband just 608 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 1: called me up and I messed up. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 609 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god. That was just figuring, like shoving actual 610 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 1: conversation into song, which is my favorite favorite thing to do. 611 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: And so that's the first thing we met with that 612 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: and we just like really loved working together and love 613 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: the vibe, and um just kept going. And but I 614 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: think we wrote five songs and four made the album, 615 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: which that's not a normal presentage normally, right, like half 616 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: of what you write gets thrown away forever, but that 617 00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: there's so special at all at all. Most of it stayed. 618 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 1: And I gotta say those four songs are pretty much 619 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 1: my four favorite, Like young Man, I love young Man. 620 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Don't don't try that song. You can't even try that song, 621 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: Like she's trying to be sitting like she's untriable. It's 622 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: a thing where it's just like, this album is very 623 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: much about divorce, and this is an element. This is 624 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,479 Speaker 1: such a huge element of it. And I feel like 625 00:32:57,520 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: in one song she was able to really write a 626 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: love her to her sons, and you know, you guys 627 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: just did an unbelievable job on that. And I also 628 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: love love my best friend's weddings. I mean like that 629 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: song is truly, truly great and we bop out to 630 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: Texas Man and it honestly made me want a Texas Man. 631 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: It's stirred us. It stirred our loins. Well I'm glad 632 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: I'm stirring loins, you know what I mean that. I 633 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: didn't think I was in stir loins with the Dixie Chicks, 634 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: but at least loins have been stirred. We are blue 635 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: blue bottom bottoms. No, blue blue bottom bottoms, another front 636 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 1: runner for title of No, No, No, What is blue? 637 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: What are you getting at here? Okay, we're worried we 638 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: have to cut this out. Blue. No, it's not getting 639 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:58,040 Speaker 1: cut it's it's it's blue ball, blue bonnet, blue bonnet bottom. 640 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 1: That's what I meant lord, blue bonnet girls. Anyway, Yeah, um, 641 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: we are going to take just the quickest break and 642 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: be right back with our guests Justin Trance, And believe 643 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,720 Speaker 1: it or not, we're back and we're here with Justin Trancer, 644 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,759 Speaker 1: and we've just been kind of, you know, to use 645 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,920 Speaker 1: an off these word gagging so over their contributions to music. 646 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,840 Speaker 1: And I did say before, um so I stand Kelly, 647 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: and you wrote the song Nostalgic and I this is 648 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: this is such a good song, and I literally thought 649 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: to myself, like should this be a single on this album? 650 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: And then they kind of build on that album. But 651 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: I love that song. Now what are you what are 652 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 1: you saying to me? Okay, I'm reading, I'm just tell 653 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: truths because it's so long ago, we can just tell 654 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: all the truths. Tell truths. Okay. One, it is one 655 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: of my favorite things songs ever. Yeah, I think it's 656 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: a great song. But two, it's the first time a 657 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: superstar ever recorded a song of mine. Now she has 658 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,360 Speaker 1: got as you know. I'm well, I'm sure both of 659 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: you by default, because I'm sure Matt has forced you 660 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: to know every Kelly Clarkson's story ever. But but I 661 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: saw the view. I can tell you're a fan too, 662 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: But I know that that Matt is the main one here, 663 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:25,680 Speaker 1: but you know, she got um pregnant. I think it 664 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: was the second kid, and so even though she was 665 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 1: my it was the first big cut I ever had. 666 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,160 Speaker 1: It was not the first big song, not the first 667 00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: big hors to play out a song of mine, but 668 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,359 Speaker 1: it was the first big cut because it didn't come 669 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: out for like another year and a half because of 670 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: the baby situation. Because great people, they can't stop so um. 671 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: But Nostalgic is so important to me because of that, 672 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: and I love that song, and it was one of 673 00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: the I normally don't sing demos because I have like 674 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 1: a rock voice, but that is one of the songs 675 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: I did sing the demo on, so it's like extra 676 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: special to my heart. And that was kind of the 677 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 1: song that they based like the whole vibe of the 678 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: album really and they would we would hear from everybody, 679 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: which I didn't know at the time is actually a 680 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 1: bad thing because they A and rs and label people 681 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: will play it for everyone saying this is our vibe, 682 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 1: but then it gives them like two years to find 683 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,360 Speaker 1: a song in that vibe that maybe is more current 684 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: or maybe it's more whatever. But at the time, like fabulous. 685 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: The whole Kelly album is based off my song, but 686 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: then it wasn't fabulous because then it wasn't a single 687 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: and it wasn't blah blah blah. But it's still really 688 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,000 Speaker 1: special to me, and she sounds so good on it. 689 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: And when I went because I didn't get to hear 690 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: her vocal right away. I heard it before it came out, 691 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,440 Speaker 1: but I went to the New York offices where her 692 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,640 Speaker 1: labels based, I'm like, oh, do you want to hear 693 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 1: her vocal? And I was like, oh my god, you 694 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 1: have to. I'm gonna die. And I'm in this office 695 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 1: like trying to be like super cool, like I'm former 696 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: glam rocker now I'm like buzzing on the pop charts, 697 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,440 Speaker 1: and they played a Kelly vocal and I start crying 698 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: in an off building, like because of me, I've been 699 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: to a fan for so long in her voice is 700 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,439 Speaker 1: just so fucking good and it just blew my mind 701 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: piece by pieces, even as like a Kelly I'm not. 702 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,399 Speaker 1: I I am not as much of a fierce fan 703 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: as mad is, but I can recognize that piece by 704 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: piece is this and it was, I mean, it was 705 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,239 Speaker 1: the last album she was on before she was kind 706 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: of liberated into meaning of life. But I feel like 707 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 1: a very personal album obviously, but also very like solid, fun, 708 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,640 Speaker 1: varied songwriting. I would say, like, um, like and you 709 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 1: had you had our girl Maren Morris on it, you had, yeah, 710 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:35,960 Speaker 1: um there was. I think it's a solid, very overlooked 711 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:37,960 Speaker 1: Kelly album. Maybe not. I mean, maybe it's not to 712 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,919 Speaker 1: the wider Kelly fan base or or even the narrow 713 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: Kelly fan base, but I feel like we don't as 714 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,879 Speaker 1: a culture recognized piece by piece for its musical We're 715 00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 1: still like, you know, a singles culture. And there wasn't 716 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:51,400 Speaker 1: that real home run single on that album, so that 717 00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: people don't know. But you know, if you're listening to this, 718 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 1: listen to Nostalgic just because it's you know, my first 719 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 1: my first cut, and Nostalgic to me is the bop 720 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 1: on that album. And then I think, actually, I think 721 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: sometimes what happens with Kelly is she will always find 722 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 1: a way to make you talk about how talented she is, 723 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: because it's when she I remember I was actually watching 724 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 1: Live oddly enough, I hadn't watched American Idol and so long, 725 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:19,520 Speaker 1: but she had hand to god, I like it was 726 00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,399 Speaker 1: my life when I was young, and then I somehow like, 727 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,480 Speaker 1: um new to tune in because she was going to 728 00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: be honest, because it was like the quote unquote last season, 729 00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: now it's back or whatever. But um, but she came 730 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 1: back and she was so pregnant, and she did that 731 00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,759 Speaker 1: that piano version of Piece by Piece, and it stopped 732 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,080 Speaker 1: time and went right to the top of the charts, 733 00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: and she got a Grammy nomination for it and brought 734 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,920 Speaker 1: more attention to that album. But I was really grateful 735 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,120 Speaker 1: that she did that as a fan who wanted people 736 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,960 Speaker 1: to listen to Piece by Piece because I thought it 737 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: was great that album was made of hooks like that. 738 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,719 Speaker 1: And honestly, for me, Nostalgic is the bop of that 739 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: album for me, because it just she sounds like she 740 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,920 Speaker 1: was having fun doing it. Sometimes I think in those 741 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,719 Speaker 1: later years at our c A, it sounds like she 742 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 1: was maybe a little disinterested in some of the songs 743 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: she was singing, like I don't know if she gives 744 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: a funk about heartbeat song, Like for for me, it's 745 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: a it's a whatever thing. And when that when it's 746 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,720 Speaker 1: it's a bob version of Jimmy Eats World of the Middle. Yeah, 747 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,400 Speaker 1: but I think that I think she thought the monster 748 00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,640 Speaker 1: on that album was going to be Invincible, which is 749 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:26,440 Speaker 1: a great song. Doesn't see a song? Right, yes, yes, yes, 750 00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: and um, for some reason, it just didn't. It didn't 751 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,120 Speaker 1: make it happen on radio. But there's a lot of 752 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,399 Speaker 1: good stuff on there, and Nostalgic is my favorite song 753 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: on it, so I had to give the kudos. Well, 754 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,600 Speaker 1: think I actually have another Kelly Clarkson story if I 755 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: may indulge, yes, please please please. So, um, I was 756 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: and I mean this, this isn't just like internet talk 757 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: whatever people say that when they're pretending to be humble. 758 00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,799 Speaker 1: I was actually like super fucking honored and excited to 759 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: be nominated for Golden Globe because it's like a music 760 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: person getting to hang out with movie people and TV people. 761 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: It's like, oh now, I'm like actually cool, Like he's 762 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: fucking sick, right, so grateful for a Grammy nod, Thank you, 763 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: baby Jesus. But like the Golden Globe was kind of 764 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: cooler because I knew I was gonna get to go 765 00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:08,600 Speaker 1: to the Golden clubs at my Stars born No for 766 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,359 Speaker 1: um uh oh my god. What then is the movie 767 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,279 Speaker 1: called ferninand um, it's a song like Jonas. It's it's 768 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: like a really beautiful, like inspiring kids song. It's the 769 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: kids song. But I love it, and um, so I 770 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: got to go. And so they put me at like 771 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 1: the music table, so it's me and Nick Jonas and 772 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: he brought Joe as a brother and then um, it 773 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,120 Speaker 1: was Kelly Clarkson was presenting, so they just put her 774 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: at the pop music table because they just figured and 775 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: then and I hadn't met her yet, so even though 776 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: she caught nostalgic, it was like all done, like she 777 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,399 Speaker 1: was a Nashville Incent. So I got to meet her 778 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: finally and what was It was just so cool. And 779 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: I met Sharon Stone that night and made a total 780 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 1: fool of myself. She's my number one, Like I'll pull 781 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: myself to Sharon Stone, happen to it. If that's if 782 00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 1: that's what it takes to save Sharon, I'm gonna do it. 783 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: So I love that she's a great number one. No, 784 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: she's my number one of anything anything in the world. 785 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: I got to meet Sharon Stone and blah blah, but 786 00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,719 Speaker 1: it was so fucking cool to watch. And Matt, You're 787 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,399 Speaker 1: gonna love us the most is that every movie star. 788 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 1: The reason I met Sharon Stone's because she stopped to 789 00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,399 Speaker 1: introduce herself to Kelly Clarkson, who doesn't love her, who 790 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: doesn't love Tina Davis stopped to introduce herself to Kelly Clarkson. 791 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,600 Speaker 1: Every movie I got to meet every fucking A list 792 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:25,480 Speaker 1: or I ever wanted to meet because they wanted to 793 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,560 Speaker 1: meet Kelly Clarkson. And it's so funny you say that, 794 00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,320 Speaker 1: because that was famously the Red Carpet where she almost 795 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,399 Speaker 1: tripped down the stairs because she got so excited because 796 00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 1: Meryl Streep was there and she went over to Mertyl Streep. 797 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: So I feel like everyone thinks, like, oh, Kelly, she's 798 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 1: just like us. You know, she's normal. She fans girls 799 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: over celebrities. But to hear that they actually are fangirling 800 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,960 Speaker 1: over her is the real truth. That's And then who's 801 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: the who's that? I don't really like care what straight 802 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,200 Speaker 1: men do in this planet. But there's the guy he 803 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,560 Speaker 1: was in fourty year old version, what's his name? Steve Carrell? 804 00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,959 Speaker 1: And there's the moment where he gets waxed and yelled 805 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson. He came over to introduce himself to Kelly Clarkson, 806 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: she owes her isn't that crazy, And they had this 807 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:12,960 Speaker 1: whole moment together about the movie and it was like 808 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: a whole ship bang. That is so good. I love 809 00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 1: her so much. She's nice, She's the best. She couldn't 810 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: be nice. There couldn't be cooler. She brought her own 811 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:24,280 Speaker 1: food to the Golden Globe. She's like, I'm not eating 812 00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: this ship. Kelly has that power though. It's like she 813 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: is forever a pop culture like a staple, but like 814 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,600 Speaker 1: this whole like she like legitimized the whole show, a 815 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,600 Speaker 1: whole franchise worldwide, like she is the reason why idolists still, 816 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, like it's it's wild, and she'll never go 817 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,160 Speaker 1: away because she always she she's always going to remind 818 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: you how talented she is and to back it up. 819 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,359 Speaker 1: She's also has that energy from within that emanates out 820 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,480 Speaker 1: like not surprised at all that she's now when Emmy 821 00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,320 Speaker 1: winning daytime talk show hosts, like it's it just nothing 822 00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: surprises me. And I always knew, like I've been a 823 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 1: fan now for almost twenty years of hers, like a 824 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,560 Speaker 1: big fan, and I've always even in the ups and 825 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: downs of her career because there were major downs. I 826 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,640 Speaker 1: mean the my December era whatever was going on with 827 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: her and Clive Davis at that time, Like that was tough, 828 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,840 Speaker 1: and like there there there's been ups and downs, but 829 00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,560 Speaker 1: I'm I never am worried about her. I'm always just 830 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,880 Speaker 1: like excited about what she's gonna do next, and I 831 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:34,239 Speaker 1: always enjoy everything she does. And I wanted to, but 832 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,479 Speaker 1: I didn't want to ask about our other icon, which 833 00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: is Gaga. Um just you know we touched on the 834 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: nine on one of it all. There was this time 835 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: in Gaga's career even before Star is Born. Well, I 836 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,560 Speaker 1: mean and then I'll sort of like made sense later 837 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,160 Speaker 1: on in hindsight, but like you had these dual tracks 838 00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: of Gaga after Joanne where she was doing the Cure 839 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 1: and you're like, okay, this is like nineties R and B, 840 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: like what is this? This is? This is this is 841 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: something fun and novel in New and then and then 842 00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,440 Speaker 1: you know Stars Born happened, and then you're like, okay, 843 00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,799 Speaker 1: so that must have been like a Star is Born 844 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,080 Speaker 1: cut or something she wanted to keep for herself. And 845 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 1: then but then like the Enigma thing happened in Vegas 846 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,160 Speaker 1: where like is this the Enigma era Enigma and then 847 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 1: chromatic it happened, but then it all sort of converged, 848 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 1: I think in the perfect way with Chromatica, where you 849 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,799 Speaker 1: had like new disco and like house, like all these 850 00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: different elements sort of coming together. So I think it 851 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: all sort of convalesced and and coalesced in in the 852 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: right way. Yeah. When blood Pop, who produced the bulk 853 00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,239 Speaker 1: of Chromatica, UM is just I think one of the 854 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,920 Speaker 1: coolest producers in the world. Uh. And we me and 855 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: Julia did justin Bieber Sorry with blood Pop. M so 856 00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,680 Speaker 1: another monster smash, just a little ditty for the kids 857 00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,440 Speaker 1: for the children's UM. But it was really cool too 858 00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: because then when I went back and wrote on Chromatica 859 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:03,040 Speaker 1: with Gaga, um, it was with blood Pop again, who 860 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:07,320 Speaker 1: I hadn't seen for we a couple of sessions since Sorry, 861 00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: but not a lot. And so then it was so 862 00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 1: cool because it's not only coming back with Gaga, but 863 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,800 Speaker 1: then getting back with blood Pop, who's just his his 864 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,319 Speaker 1: sound choice is like kind of the coolest in the 865 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,919 Speaker 1: world right now. He likes can you talk a little bit? 866 00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 1: Although I know that you can't share the gritty details, 867 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:25,719 Speaker 1: like can you talk a little bit or speak to 868 00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: the creative collaborative environment that is working with Lady Gaga. 869 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,479 Speaker 1: Yeah sure, I mean, you know it's I've been in 870 00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:38,120 Speaker 1: some form or another, been around her from a couple 871 00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,560 Speaker 1: of years before she got I would say the Fame, 872 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,960 Speaker 1: but actually the album, the fame and being famous, and 873 00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:45,160 Speaker 1: then I'm very much at the beginning, yeah yeah, and 874 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: then working on Cromatica and um, you know, she just 875 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: just is the musicians musician, she's the performers performer. Um, 876 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 1: you know those all the huge hits from the Fame, 877 00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,400 Speaker 1: it was just her and read one alone. It was 878 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,440 Speaker 1: just the two of them, which I think is you 879 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,239 Speaker 1: gut from my you know, follow both of you enough 880 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:06,600 Speaker 1: online like your pop super fans. You know that nowadays 881 00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: most songs have minimum three people minimum, but like a 882 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,880 Speaker 1: lot of times there's a lot more, especially if it's 883 00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,000 Speaker 1: their samples involved and you have to credit the writers 884 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: from the original sample and there's like then there ends 885 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,680 Speaker 1: up being twenty people in the song. All those early 886 00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: Gaga songs that was sucking her and her alone, I 887 00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: mean speechless, she wrote by herself, you know what I mean, 888 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: Like there's like you're you You're walking into a room 889 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,920 Speaker 1: with a real songwriter, a real singer, and a real performer. Um, 890 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,360 Speaker 1: and then now she's a fucking actress, you know what 891 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 1: I mean, Like the whole You're walking into someone who 892 00:46:36,239 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: has the whole thing and who knows exactly where she's 893 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: what she's aiming for, and he's gonna fucking figure out 894 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,200 Speaker 1: how she's going to hit that balls like every time. Um. 895 00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,080 Speaker 1: And also to what's so cool with hers is she 896 00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: just takes real risks, not like, oh, I'm a pop 897 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:53,239 Speaker 1: star who's gonna like, you know, get personal this time. No, 898 00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,920 Speaker 1: Like she takes you know, that's always really take you know, love, 899 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: I'm getting this is my most personal album. Yeah, what 900 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,560 Speaker 1: about the last single from yesterday that wasn't anyway? She 901 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,800 Speaker 1: always takes real risks, like the sonic jumps and the 902 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: whole look changes, And I just think it's it's so 903 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 1: cool to like be a part of the process with 904 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,279 Speaker 1: someone who's jumping off the fucking ledge every time. Like 905 00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: it's that. That's honestly we talked about Kelly. For me, 906 00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: that's for me. Yeah, because the Monster ball did you 907 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,480 Speaker 1: see me on the Monster I did not see the 908 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: Monster The first tour I ever saw was Joanne, but 909 00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: Monster Ball I was following. But she literally did save 910 00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:38,239 Speaker 1: his life. She did, but but but but with the 911 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:43,680 Speaker 1: Monster Ball, I was looking up every single YouTube video 912 00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,440 Speaker 1: of people recording and of course it was it was 913 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,399 Speaker 1: it was s p W and it was And then 914 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 1: I have rewatched the HBO Fame Monster on the Monster 915 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:58,480 Speaker 1: Ball just recording. It's pretty insane. So many times, I 916 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,919 Speaker 1: think that is one of the most important tours ever. 917 00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: It's our generation. It's our generations. Yeah, it's our generations, 918 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:10,280 Speaker 1: like Blond Ambition, Who's That Girl? And um The Girly 919 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: Show all in one. It's like all these huge Madonna 920 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,040 Speaker 1: tours all in one because she like did like what 921 00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,879 Speaker 1: seven different legs of it. It It was like a two 922 00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,839 Speaker 1: year long tour. I was that was There was only 923 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,960 Speaker 1: six weeks we didn't do because the City Sisters did 924 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,200 Speaker 1: six weeks. But so of the two year tour, we 925 00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,200 Speaker 1: did every single show except you know, however, many shows 926 00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,920 Speaker 1: are in six weeks, but nuts we did. We did 927 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: North America twice, we did Europe twice, we did Australia 928 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: only one. But just like it just never ever, it 929 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,040 Speaker 1: might have been North America three times. I don't fucking know, 930 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,359 Speaker 1: because she did it was a lot, because she did 931 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 1: North America. She did this stage version, the theater version, 932 00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:48,920 Speaker 1: she and then the arena version, and that she'd may 933 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,879 Speaker 1: be born this way into born this way. Like the 934 00:48:52,880 --> 00:48:56,080 Speaker 1: theater version I think is possibly like my my most 935 00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: favorite pop tour. And I don't mean because I was opening. 936 00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,040 Speaker 1: I mean like her, her show, not me. Her show 937 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: was my most I think, my most favorite pop tour, 938 00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,640 Speaker 1: like the last at least fifteen years. It's you know, 939 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 1: blond Ambition holds a very special place in my heart. 940 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,360 Speaker 1: But I definitely think that the theater version of the 941 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,799 Speaker 1: Monster Ball was like actual perfection. There was one time 942 00:49:19,239 --> 00:49:21,200 Speaker 1: we were in the l a show and I went 943 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,439 Speaker 1: out to watch. I watched like almost every night because 944 00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: it was just that good. Why not you know, there's 945 00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,400 Speaker 1: people actually like killing each other for tickets and I 946 00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 1: can just like walk out and see it so I 947 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,720 Speaker 1: might do it. She did this thing with the audience 948 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,240 Speaker 1: like it was a stop in one of the songs. 949 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,240 Speaker 1: I can't which one she was in, like the beige 950 00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:40,120 Speaker 1: skeletal outfit, and she stopped and like they were applodding 951 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: and like she just let them keep applauding, and then 952 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,200 Speaker 1: she did like a fake yawn like and they went 953 00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,520 Speaker 1: even crazier and I was like, well, that's one of 954 00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:53,439 Speaker 1: the cooler things I've ever seen one a rock star move. 955 00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:57,360 Speaker 1: And no, my favorite, the thing that has like informed 956 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,960 Speaker 1: everything about like my conception of performance is her during 957 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,320 Speaker 1: the Love Game, in between Love Game and the remix 958 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,120 Speaker 1: of it, like her just doing the whole like damn 959 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,200 Speaker 1: motherfuckers dance motherfucker's or her just being like I've heard 960 00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:18,360 Speaker 1: they've got really big cock here in Northern Ireland, So Belfast, 961 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,040 Speaker 1: get your dicks out, like every city like just just 962 00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:26,360 Speaker 1: mad living in the city's like it's it's so genius. 963 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:30,239 Speaker 1: It's like what it really that you bring up Belfast 964 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: because in many cities in Belfast is one of them, 965 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,120 Speaker 1: they would put up after the first night that I 966 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,080 Speaker 1: would perform the next night, they would either um threatened 967 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:40,880 Speaker 1: to not let us perform if I didn't change certain 968 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,160 Speaker 1: aspects of the show, or they'd put up signs saying 969 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,680 Speaker 1: that the opening act is not appropriate for children. That's 970 00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,520 Speaker 1: obviously like extreme fem phobia. And at that time I 971 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,759 Speaker 1: was I was in homophobia and like I was presenting 972 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: so fem which I still do now if I'm like 973 00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 1: going out, but it's only I'm going out. But um, 974 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, so there's elements of transphobia and that where 975 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,879 Speaker 1: they would like literally threaten to arrest us happened in Boston, um, 976 00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:07,920 Speaker 1: and then in Belfast, like we was all one of 977 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,760 Speaker 1: the many times like warning like this is not appropriate 978 00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: for children, and I'd be like, but when the SIS 979 00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:18,520 Speaker 1: woman says get your cocks out, totally fine. But because 980 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,800 Speaker 1: I'm I mean are we had some crazy lyrics and 981 00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,840 Speaker 1: like I would change my outfit on stage and it 982 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,399 Speaker 1: looked like I was naked, but it was a full 983 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,480 Speaker 1: like nude body suit, so I was not naked at all. Um, 984 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,280 Speaker 1: but I'm like, oh, that's that's interesting. So she's cool, 985 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,640 Speaker 1: but I'm gonna get arrested. Millions and millions of people 986 00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 1: in this world are literally afraid of gay people and 987 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,840 Speaker 1: of gay sex, which is literally what homophobia is and means. 988 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: And it's so it's very, um shocking to confront that, 989 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,919 Speaker 1: even in the environment that is like a Lady Gaga show, 990 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:53,879 Speaker 1: but that is unfortunately, um, a reality. I um but 991 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: what but really quickly, I I just I love that 992 00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 1: Justin's pointing out the distinction between homophobia and femp and 993 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,359 Speaker 1: of course trans but the fem phobic aspect is this 994 00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,960 Speaker 1: thing where it's like sometimes I'll just I mean this 995 00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,319 Speaker 1: past season of work, I would just be standing in 996 00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: a sketch, and then I think, like I would get 997 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,480 Speaker 1: tweets that week when I wasn't in any other sketch 998 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,479 Speaker 1: besides just like basically standing in the corner of one 999 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,840 Speaker 1: and saying one thing, and then someone being like multiple 1000 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,560 Speaker 1: people being like Bowen keeps acting gay? Why why does 1001 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,040 Speaker 1: he keep acting gay? Can we do anything with his hand? 1002 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,919 Speaker 1: His hand is being gay. There's like, no, there's nothing 1003 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,840 Speaker 1: we can do about our very nature. I mean, thank thankfully, 1004 00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:41,239 Speaker 1: I don't I don't get that note internally, um, which 1005 00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,359 Speaker 1: which which I'm very grateful for. But I mean in 1006 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,920 Speaker 1: terms of, like the response from just anybody thinking that, 1007 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: like thinking that there's likely there's a threshold of gayness 1008 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: that they can handle as an as an audience member 1009 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,960 Speaker 1: is like so interesting to me. It drives it drove 1010 00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,480 Speaker 1: me insane. I was just like, this is it's not homophobia, 1011 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,360 Speaker 1: because homophobia is like, okay, cool, Like the idea of 1012 00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 1: a gay person I'm is like enrages me. But the 1013 00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 1: idea of a person like with a limp wrist visibly 1014 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 1: visibly fem's totally different. Yeah, that's it's you know, I 1015 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:23,040 Speaker 1: think too because and I try to always like forgive 1016 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,080 Speaker 1: queer people because there we've there's so much shame that's 1017 00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,239 Speaker 1: been put upon us. As we all know. You know, 1018 00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:33,040 Speaker 1: gay men are very guilty of fem phobia too. When 1019 00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,799 Speaker 1: you're opening for God, God, there's a lot of gay 1020 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: men who are very uncomfortable with me being so femi 1021 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: and so sexual as well, because it's like, okay, no, 1022 00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,480 Speaker 1: we're cool with like Neil Patrick Harris, but you not. 1023 00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,040 Speaker 1: That's too far. That's too far. Um. And Neil Patrick 1024 00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: Harris can play head big, but that's a character and 1025 00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:51,319 Speaker 1: this is actually who you are. So that's because we 1026 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:55,000 Speaker 1: know he wears a tie. We love it tie. We've 1027 00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,120 Speaker 1: seen it. We've seen the girls in it. You know, 1028 00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:03,080 Speaker 1: we've seen him in a tie and so and the 1029 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 1: tie wearing a man very safe. Yeah, and the pe 1030 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,480 Speaker 1: standing up. Thanks, thanks, thank you, even when they're tired, 1031 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,960 Speaker 1: even when they're tired, you know what you know, because 1032 00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,760 Speaker 1: we have to ask you the question, the question capital 1033 00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: t capital que but before we do. I would be 1034 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,200 Speaker 1: remiss if I didn't mention just one more song which 1035 00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:27,440 Speaker 1: makes me act like an absolute wrror um and my 1036 00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:31,800 Speaker 1: and my and my dwellings here, which is the iconic 1037 00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:36,359 Speaker 1: make Me Feel by Janelle Mona. I mean, can we 1038 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:41,399 Speaker 1: just like this and Dirty Computer the whole album unbelievable 1039 00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,600 Speaker 1: but make me feel said, this is what I am like. 1040 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,600 Speaker 1: Can you speak a little bit about that song? And 1041 00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: working with Janelle? I mean, one of the coolest human 1042 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,160 Speaker 1: beings to ever live, right, that's just we all love them. 1043 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,399 Speaker 1: And she shows up to the studio looking fierce, which 1044 00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,000 Speaker 1: I really appreciate. You know, I feel like if we're 1045 00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:02,279 Speaker 1: it there, you know I was I was writing this 1046 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,279 Speaker 1: Christmas album. I telling you guys about I was writing 1047 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,400 Speaker 1: the Christmas album in my house with my friends. We 1048 00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:08,279 Speaker 1: all got tested so we could be together, you know, 1049 00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:11,440 Speaker 1: like do this album and I still show up too. 1050 00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:13,439 Speaker 1: If I'm gonna if I'm gonna write a song, there 1051 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,239 Speaker 1: needs to be some sort of look. You know. If 1052 00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:16,960 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a T shirt like this, I'm still 1053 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,359 Speaker 1: going to do like a high waisted jean, I'm still 1054 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,640 Speaker 1: gonna put a fierce shoe on. We're creating. We're creating. 1055 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,479 Speaker 1: You're coming to work, you're dressing in work at tire. 1056 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: If we're creating, we're creating, and that's real culture number 1057 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:34,359 Speaker 1: one hundred and six. If we're created, we're c And 1058 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,200 Speaker 1: I don't think you can create in sweatpants. I just don't. 1059 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:38,920 Speaker 1: I don't agree with it. I don't approve of it. 1060 00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,839 Speaker 1: And I'm ready, I'm ready to die in this hill. 1061 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:43,239 Speaker 1: You know, of all the things I agree with, but 1062 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:48,440 Speaker 1: my real activism is sweatpants while creating. It should be outlawed. Bamn. 1063 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,200 Speaker 1: I'm calling Glad and telling them the new agenda. This 1064 00:55:51,239 --> 00:55:53,759 Speaker 1: is it. Yes, and you are a board member, a 1065 00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:58,680 Speaker 1: board member, and they are a board member. Yeah you. 1066 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,640 Speaker 1: By the way, Also to just you guys, know, all 1067 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,560 Speaker 1: pronouns are fine with me, so don't ever stress with 1068 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:06,560 Speaker 1: my pounce love them all, take them, I take them. 1069 00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:14,080 Speaker 1: But they are a board member, damn it. So Janelle 1070 00:56:14,080 --> 00:56:19,600 Speaker 1: shows up to the studio always in a look alia 1071 00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:23,160 Speaker 1: every time, every time. I love it. And what a 1072 00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:28,560 Speaker 1: gorgeous to talk about. Two gorgeous women. Oh my god, women, 1073 00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:32,239 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I saw alipa guest hosting Kimmel the 1074 00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,040 Speaker 1: other night. I was like this bitch is on a 1075 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:38,960 Speaker 1: zoom looking like oh, a model all day every day. 1076 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,040 Speaker 1: Gwen Stefani, Honey, I'll show up to the house at 1077 00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:44,560 Speaker 1: ten am, you know, because she's on mom schedule. So 1078 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm showing up at tenni m to write a song 1079 00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:48,560 Speaker 1: with Gwen. She's she's looking like she's looking like Gwen 1080 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,680 Speaker 1: Stefani and the she's always done. She's just she's always done. 1081 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm not saying everyone has to live that life, but 1082 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:55,279 Speaker 1: I just want to shout out the people didn't do 1083 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,840 Speaker 1: because I think it does take work. It doesn't take work. 1084 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,840 Speaker 1: She's the same age as Ted. Our Friendicle Conlin says this. 1085 00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:07,399 Speaker 1: She's conservativism eats you from the inside. You look like 1086 00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,680 Speaker 1: shit and people look mean you know what I mean, 1087 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:15,160 Speaker 1: ugly people inside, deep and deep in there. This is true, 1088 00:57:15,200 --> 00:57:17,560 Speaker 1: but make me feel so how to talk about where 1089 00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:21,160 Speaker 1: this fucking came from? Like, because this is this this 1090 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:26,760 Speaker 1: song is an Alzheimer thank you. Um it came from 1091 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,360 Speaker 1: uh Me and Julia, Mattman and Robin knowing that we 1092 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,520 Speaker 1: were maybe going to have a chance to Matt and 1093 00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:36,520 Speaker 1: Robin are my favorite producers in the world. Mind now, 1094 00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: Matt Men and Robin the best. Oh and they're like 1095 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,320 Speaker 1: super cute Swedish boys, like they're just the best. Um, 1096 00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:48,000 Speaker 1: one just had a baby. Congratulations, creepy, but good for him. 1097 00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: Babies are terrifying. But um, so we knew we were 1098 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:54,440 Speaker 1: gonna get a chance to maybe work with her, so 1099 00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:58,439 Speaker 1: we like just dreamed up a little starter idea because 1100 00:57:58,440 --> 00:57:59,960 Speaker 1: she's a real writer, right, so you can't show up 1101 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,240 Speaker 1: the song with Genomene, she's gonna smack you in the face. 1102 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: Like it's gotta be just a little starter idea. And um, 1103 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,400 Speaker 1: Luckily she came in, she heard it and she was 1104 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: like fuck, yes, let's go. Um. And it's one of 1105 00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,200 Speaker 1: those magical songs all my favorite songs for the most part, 1106 00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,520 Speaker 1: they all it feels like they write themselves, like you 1107 00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:18,400 Speaker 1: don't know who said what or where it happened. It 1108 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,240 Speaker 1: just kind of comes and like the meat of all 1109 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:25,320 Speaker 1: my favorite songs, like the core of them. Um all 1110 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 1: happen in like I would say, forty five minutes at 1111 00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,360 Speaker 1: the longest, Like it just like this dump of creativity. Um, 1112 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:37,520 Speaker 1: what a horrible word choice, dun't dump of creativity. Unfortunately, 1113 00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,360 Speaker 1: it's a front runner for the title of I Don't 1114 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: Know what to say, when these things happen, it's it's 1115 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,880 Speaker 1: against my better judgment. We have to just do what 1116 00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,640 Speaker 1: the universe is saying, you know, just let it happen. Yeah, 1117 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,800 Speaker 1: it's like you know what it is, it's like stung writing. 1118 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: Really when the title of that arrives, it arrives, and 1119 00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:56,000 Speaker 1: dump of Creativity is registering at about number three on 1120 00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,640 Speaker 1: the list things could change, things could change. We don't 1121 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:01,360 Speaker 1: know that is truthful operation. That's like when that's what 1122 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,400 Speaker 1: it's like the best and that's why it's always so funny, 1123 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,360 Speaker 1: which I love that you guys have not asked me 1124 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,120 Speaker 1: this at all today, Like so at this part of 1125 00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 1: the song, who did that part? And not only is 1126 00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:14,600 Speaker 1: that not important because we're all in there doing it together, 1127 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,920 Speaker 1: but most of the time I don't even remember, you 1128 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,400 Speaker 1: know it, Julia came in with the main idea. Of 1129 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,840 Speaker 1: course we remember that, like she came in with the 1130 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,760 Speaker 1: main idea, like hands to myself as Julia walked in 1131 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,280 Speaker 1: with that idea, So of course we remember that. I 1132 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:32,480 Speaker 1: love that song. Oh my god, the body of work, 1133 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:36,080 Speaker 1: thank you, but yes, just and actually what's really cool 1134 00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,160 Speaker 1: too is that when we were writing it, um the 1135 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:45,040 Speaker 1: lyric sexual bender. It was kind of being interpreted as 1136 00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,880 Speaker 1: like when you go on a drinking bender, like a second, 1137 00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:49,840 Speaker 1: that's how that's how I hear it. That's how I 1138 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:51,920 Speaker 1: hear it too. But then she made the video that 1139 00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,080 Speaker 1: was very clearly a bisexual situation. So a lot of 1140 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:58,720 Speaker 1: people were like, oh, sexual bender, like a gender bender, 1141 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,720 Speaker 1: but a sexual bender, like she can go both ways. 1142 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,120 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's a lot cooler than 1143 01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:06,680 Speaker 1: what I thought. The song that I isn't that cool. 1144 01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,960 Speaker 1: So I don't know she heard, like if that's how 1145 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,520 Speaker 1: she wanted the video to like heighten that line, or 1146 01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,040 Speaker 1: if it's just with all amazing coincidence, but yeah, she's 1147 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:19,440 Speaker 1: She's the best. What a pre chorus it's thinking perfect? 1148 01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,680 Speaker 1: So good. Also, wait, we have to shout out, um 1149 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,760 Speaker 1: two of two of my favorite songs that you've worked on, 1150 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: which are off well of course Erica Jane, how many facts? 1151 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:34,880 Speaker 1: But also yes the number one but let me let 1152 01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,680 Speaker 1: me couple these together. And then Britney Spears do you 1153 01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:40,840 Speaker 1: want to you want to come over? I think like 1154 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 1: on ironically, like one of Brittany's better songs, RuPaul's drag 1155 01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:47,280 Speaker 1: Race is making the biggest mistake of their life by 1156 01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:49,440 Speaker 1: not having that as a lip sing song to me 1157 01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:52,680 Speaker 1: is screaming out my first lip snce make me feel 1158 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:58,160 Speaker 1: oh my god. Yes, it was a winning lips sha 1159 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,160 Speaker 1: motherfucking kol make me feel oh my god. Wow. Yeah, 1160 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,400 Speaker 1: that was the last episode. That was the last at 1161 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 1: WoT that cool? Well, honestly, I will say, do you 1162 01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:11,480 Speaker 1: want to come over? Should be allips song? That song 1163 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:15,640 Speaker 1: is it? Whatever you want, whatever you need a hut 1164 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:19,520 Speaker 1: like it's it's again, it's skeletal. It's like there's there's 1165 01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:24,200 Speaker 1: no there's no excess. It's exactly the amount that we need. 1166 01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:26,959 Speaker 1: That's matt Man and Robin production as well, Julia, Mattman 1167 01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:29,320 Speaker 1: and Robin and we wrote it the morning after we 1168 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,240 Speaker 1: were all in Vegas on this in this writing camp, 1169 01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: and we went to go see Brittany perform, of course, 1170 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,840 Speaker 1: and she pulled me up on stage because her manager, 1171 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, made it, fixed it. So I got to 1172 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,160 Speaker 1: be up on stage and I got to be like 1173 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,440 Speaker 1: the when she's like the Dominatrix thing and she's like 1174 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: I crawl, you know that whole thing. Have you seen 1175 01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,520 Speaker 1: the Vegas Show? Anybody? I've not seen the Vega Show. 1176 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,480 Speaker 1: I've seen enough clips to basically piece it all together. Okay, 1177 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:52,760 Speaker 1: then like Andy Cohen did, like you know whatever. Yeah, 1178 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:55,640 Speaker 1: So I was doing that, and then the next morning 1179 01:01:55,680 --> 01:01:58,000 Speaker 1: we wrote make Me Not, Make Me Feel Sorry? Do 1180 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,720 Speaker 1: you want to Come over? Um? And fully inspired by 1181 01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:06,560 Speaker 1: um by the moment. Yeah, zanes An r had asked 1182 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:08,520 Speaker 1: us to try to like submit some songs for Zane 1183 01:02:08,560 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: and we were just too overwhelmed by the performance we 1184 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,440 Speaker 1: saw the night before that we just had to write 1185 01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 1: a Brittany song. Sometimes you just got to write a 1186 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:18,600 Speaker 1: Brittany song, I find, you know what I mean, especially 1187 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,040 Speaker 1: in Vegas when you're in Vegas and she's in the air. 1188 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,240 Speaker 1: She's in the air in the Vegas. When you go 1189 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: to Vegas, it like it is informed by who's like there. 1190 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:30,800 Speaker 1: There's like the Secret and Royd era where it's like 1191 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,120 Speaker 1: you go to it. Like I remember as a kid 1192 01:02:32,120 --> 01:02:34,480 Speaker 1: going to Vegas and being like, oh, like this is 1193 01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:38,080 Speaker 1: where like miles like two miles away from wherever, secret 1194 01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:41,240 Speaker 1: from wherever Selina's wherever we're like that person is and 1195 01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,640 Speaker 1: like she like was like the queen of Vegas for 1196 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,480 Speaker 1: like that period. Yeah, well I think Brittany reinvented what 1197 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 1: Vegas meant like, you know, even though it wasn't at 1198 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,720 Speaker 1: her peak peak of fames, she was still Brittany was 1199 01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,480 Speaker 1: still kicking ass. And so to go to Vegas where 1200 01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:58,040 Speaker 1: everyone else went like when it was years and years over. 1201 01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,720 Speaker 1: So I think Brittany really reinvented all these all these 1202 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,960 Speaker 1: people are going in their prime. I mean, Gaga was 1203 01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:04,920 Speaker 1: just there. It was sucking stars Born took over the 1204 01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:07,640 Speaker 1: whole planet, you know what I mean? Do you do 1205 01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:11,000 Speaker 1: you have any thoughts about what is happening with Brittany 1206 01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,920 Speaker 1: right now? I mean, I feel like it's kind of 1207 01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:16,120 Speaker 1: top of mind for everyone that is a big fan 1208 01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:18,880 Speaker 1: of hers, Like I think that everyone's a little concerned. 1209 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,000 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you have a take on that situation. 1210 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,120 Speaker 1: And my take is that I just love her so 1211 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,840 Speaker 1: much and the because you know, we did right together. 1212 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,600 Speaker 1: Do you want to come over? We just wrote for her, 1213 01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:30,760 Speaker 1: but some of the songs in the album we one 1214 01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,640 Speaker 1: pcent wrote together. We were in the room, so she's 1215 01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,920 Speaker 1: also they're contributing. And yeah, there's a song called just 1216 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:41,080 Speaker 1: like Me on um Glory that's this really twisted concept 1217 01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,280 Speaker 1: of her amazing concepts. Twisted is a compliment when you 1218 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:46,000 Speaker 1: talk about Britney to be very careful because her fans 1219 01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:48,480 Speaker 1: are very passionate. So when I say twisted, the beautiful 1220 01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:52,760 Speaker 1: Britney fans, I mean there's a compliment, had this beautifully 1221 01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:56,680 Speaker 1: twisted concept about walking in on her lover, cheating on 1222 01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,479 Speaker 1: her with someone who looks just like me. I see 1223 01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 1: twisted concept, twisted, twisted. Yeah, And so yeah, definitely spent 1224 01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:08,480 Speaker 1: time with her. She couldn't be sweeter, she couldn't be cooler. 1225 01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 1: That beautiful vocal tone is actually just comes out of 1226 01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,680 Speaker 1: her face, that special weird tone of hers again, weird 1227 01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:19,080 Speaker 1: compliment Britney fans ums. And so I just love her 1228 01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:20,760 Speaker 1: and I have so much love for her, And all 1229 01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:23,160 Speaker 1: I really want to say is that I just hope 1230 01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,280 Speaker 1: whatever is happening, that she is as happy as she 1231 01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:28,680 Speaker 1: possibly can be. Yes, I think with the controversy, uh, 1232 01:04:28,920 --> 01:04:31,680 Speaker 1: we're all just I mean, you can't really take a 1233 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,280 Speaker 1: side on it beyond just being like, we just hope 1234 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,640 Speaker 1: she's okay, like she turns out okay. Yeah, and it's 1235 01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,120 Speaker 1: tough too. I think with you know, I think some 1236 01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:43,000 Speaker 1: of the who I just I just wonder if all 1237 01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:46,520 Speaker 1: this drama is helping her, you know, That's what concerns me, 1238 01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,200 Speaker 1: is that I know that people want the best of her. 1239 01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:51,000 Speaker 1: I know that people are are rooting for her. Um, 1240 01:04:51,240 --> 01:04:54,120 Speaker 1: I just hope that the way that they're rooting is 1241 01:04:54,160 --> 01:04:57,120 Speaker 1: actually helping her. That's because I just want amazing. I 1242 01:04:57,120 --> 01:05:00,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be happy, and that's all, you know, and 1243 01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,880 Speaker 1: that's all I know. I think I think fandom has 1244 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:09,000 Speaker 1: evolved over the last uh a few years in a 1245 01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:11,680 Speaker 1: way that I think or and I can see that 1246 01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:14,960 Speaker 1: she is able to tell when concern for her and 1247 01:05:15,400 --> 01:05:18,840 Speaker 1: care for her is is coming from a good place. 1248 01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:20,920 Speaker 1: And I think there is this collective sense of like, 1249 01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:26,040 Speaker 1: what's different from how however she experienced things in her 1250 01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,960 Speaker 1: past is that I think it's very clear that everyone 1251 01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:34,120 Speaker 1: is just um, just wants the best for her. Yeah, exactly. 1252 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,280 Speaker 1: And that's what's tough, is that it's all with any 1253 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,160 Speaker 1: with anyone who's in the limelight. It's you know, when 1254 01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,280 Speaker 1: fans are trying to express love, it's a tricky thing 1255 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,120 Speaker 1: because we don't know how that person wants to receive love. 1256 01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,680 Speaker 1: Of course, of course, that's the fucking triple quadruple edge 1257 01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,840 Speaker 1: sort of being famous is like who knows what the 1258 01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,960 Speaker 1: right thing to do is so I just wanted to 1259 01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,240 Speaker 1: be happy and healthy and she deserves the best because 1260 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,320 Speaker 1: she's given us all she's I mean, that's the thing too, 1261 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: is like you have to remember Britney Spears's contributions to 1262 01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,440 Speaker 1: music and pop culture. Like it's not just it's not 1263 01:06:08,480 --> 01:06:11,479 Speaker 1: just like she came in was a success and now 1264 01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,680 Speaker 1: it's like, uh, you know, she's doing whatever she's doing 1265 01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,080 Speaker 1: and is feeling harever she's feeling. She came in and 1266 01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,520 Speaker 1: she changed the culture, you know what I mean. She 1267 01:06:21,800 --> 01:06:24,560 Speaker 1: is a once in a lifetime, once in a generation 1268 01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:29,439 Speaker 1: um movement moment like it is it is, and she 1269 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:33,880 Speaker 1: has earned this place in people's hearts. That that's where 1270 01:06:33,880 --> 01:06:36,240 Speaker 1: I think this is all coming from. It's like, it's 1271 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,360 Speaker 1: it's not like we are just you know, naval gazers 1272 01:06:39,600 --> 01:06:42,200 Speaker 1: wanting to know what's going on with her. It's we 1273 01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:44,960 Speaker 1: we need Brittany to be all right, and we we 1274 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,439 Speaker 1: we love Brittany from the bottom of our hearts. And 1275 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,480 Speaker 1: we are people who call ourselves lost culture stuff and 1276 01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:53,600 Speaker 1: we talked about pop culture and let's give it up 1277 01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 1: for Britney Spears because she is a legend. And it's 1278 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:02,400 Speaker 1: an overused word, but that's a real bona fide living 1279 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:06,520 Speaker 1: legend well, and she changed pop culture like this second 1280 01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:09,320 Speaker 1: her video showed up on MTAs second she showed up, 1281 01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,120 Speaker 1: it was one world, and then the next day it 1282 01:07:11,160 --> 01:07:13,640 Speaker 1: was another world, another world, and the people are still 1283 01:07:13,720 --> 01:07:17,560 Speaker 1: rooting for her. Happiness twenty two years later is fucking 1284 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,120 Speaker 1: amazing and she deserves it, though she she she has 1285 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:23,560 Speaker 1: put in the work to this fan base that you 1286 01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:25,720 Speaker 1: know she deserves all that love, every second of it. 1287 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,560 Speaker 1: You're right, Um, I want to ask one thing before 1288 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,840 Speaker 1: we do a break, and then we'll ask justin the question. 1289 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,520 Speaker 1: But the thing that I do want to ask, and 1290 01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,160 Speaker 1: I really genuinely want to know is them. I talked 1291 01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,440 Speaker 1: to James Anderson, who's this writer SNL who's been there 1292 01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:39,600 Speaker 1: for twenty years and who's who's written so many things, 1293 01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:41,840 Speaker 1: and he talks to me all the time about how 1294 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,600 Speaker 1: he's like sometimes I'm just like I forgot that I 1295 01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:47,160 Speaker 1: wrote that thing. Do you have that kind of thing 1296 01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:52,600 Speaker 1: with your catalog or I'm from Okay, that's perfect and 1297 01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:54,720 Speaker 1: that that is only a good sign that you have, 1298 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,640 Speaker 1: like are so creatively just like solid with your output 1299 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,760 Speaker 1: that you're just like, oh, it's not even about keeping 1300 01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:03,600 Speaker 1: track of my hits anymore. You know, well also too, 1301 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,000 Speaker 1: it's just like you know, you'll be in of course, 1302 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:08,000 Speaker 1: the ones that got played to death on the radio. 1303 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,040 Speaker 1: It's hard not to remember them. But you know, before 1304 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,440 Speaker 1: the world ended, and you'd be walking through the grocery 1305 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,600 Speaker 1: store or something and like an album cut would come up, 1306 01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:17,760 Speaker 1: because that's just what's on the grocery stores playlist, I'd 1307 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,920 Speaker 1: be like, that sounds so familiar. What is this cool? Right? 1308 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,240 Speaker 1: Got it? I actually co wrote the song and it's 1309 01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:29,240 Speaker 1: a really weird. It's like such a weird thing to 1310 01:08:29,400 --> 01:08:31,920 Speaker 1: like on the Gwen album, I made, um, this is 1311 01:08:31,960 --> 01:08:34,120 Speaker 1: what the truth feel This is what the truth feels like. 1312 01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:39,120 Speaker 1: Great album, great album, Thank you, And there's so many 1313 01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:44,080 Speaker 1: album cuts on there that like grocery stores love like 1314 01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:46,280 Speaker 1: make Me Like You is a grocery store song, and 1315 01:08:46,320 --> 01:08:50,920 Speaker 1: I mean that in the highest honor. Oh god, it's 1316 01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:55,840 Speaker 1: so good. I love Misery. Misery is my number one 1317 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:58,559 Speaker 1: from that whole album. I think, Yeah, that was that 1318 01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,800 Speaker 1: was that was a special because she she's in my 1319 01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:05,040 Speaker 1: in my probably top three artists of all time. Work 1320 01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:08,400 Speaker 1: with her was like it was pretty shocking. And then 1321 01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:10,640 Speaker 1: to make an entire album with her, and then a 1322 01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:13,439 Speaker 1: Christmas album with her. It's like just I'm good, I 1323 01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 1: can just I can jump in my pool, never come 1324 01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:18,400 Speaker 1: out ever again. Do you remember that you wrote like 1325 01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:28,599 Speaker 1: Maria by Fifth Harmony? You know, because I remember again 1326 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:36,679 Speaker 1: it's so so Camila's Camila is like lokin, no joke. 1327 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:42,000 Speaker 1: Camille is so fucking talented it's disturbing. It's disturbing. Her 1328 01:09:42,080 --> 01:09:46,799 Speaker 1: voice terrific. Her voice, the way she writes melodies is terrific. 1329 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,559 Speaker 1: But like Maria again, if I'm talking way too much, 1330 01:09:49,600 --> 01:09:53,519 Speaker 1: you can cut all this out. But the I'm living okay. So, 1331 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,280 Speaker 1: like Maria, I wrote with a woman named Roger Kumari 1332 01:09:56,320 --> 01:09:59,600 Speaker 1: and the producer J R. Rhoda, and we are my 1333 01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,280 Speaker 1: first it ever was follow up boys centuries um probably 1334 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:10,679 Speaker 1: might have not crossed your guys radar because which they 1335 01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:14,080 Speaker 1: actually wrote after watching a YouTube documentary about Marsha P. 1336 01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:18,080 Speaker 1: Johnson and You'll remember me for centuries. And then I 1337 01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,799 Speaker 1: went in and wrote, so happy birthday, Marcia. It's Marsha's birthday. 1338 01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:30,559 Speaker 1: Mr Mashaie. She would have been seventy a much much 1339 01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,559 Speaker 1: not nearly as important. Note. So I was with that 1340 01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:38,120 Speaker 1: team and the producers Like I just talked to Fifth 1341 01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:40,519 Speaker 1: Harmonies A and R. They really want a song where 1342 01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:45,559 Speaker 1: they sample something from Mariah and I was like, okay, cool, 1343 01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:50,720 Speaker 1: and then he sampled the and I was like, well, 1344 01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:53,440 Speaker 1: that sample is just too iconic. We have to acknowledge 1345 01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,720 Speaker 1: Mariah in the lyric. It will just be distracting. It's 1346 01:10:56,720 --> 01:11:01,000 Speaker 1: too distracting. Um. And so that's that's how that happened. 1347 01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:04,559 Speaker 1: And pretty pretty dope that because Fifth Harmony does have 1348 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,240 Speaker 1: one of those crazy fan bases. So even though it's 1349 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,479 Speaker 1: not it's not even close to one of my like 1350 01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,880 Speaker 1: most well known songs, it does get brought up a 1351 01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:14,600 Speaker 1: lot because that fan base does not funk around. No, 1352 01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a lover of harmonizing and harmony. I 1353 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:23,040 Speaker 1: I love it harmony. And we were we were saying, 1354 01:11:23,080 --> 01:11:28,880 Speaker 1: Normandy was it since before everyone else? I mean that album, 1355 01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,040 Speaker 1: that first album is, I mean Sledgehammer and then Top 1356 01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,040 Speaker 1: Down and then like that is such a solid album. 1357 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:38,639 Speaker 1: Do you know who wrote Sledgehammer? Megan Trainer? Yes, I 1358 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,519 Speaker 1: didn't know this, And so she's kind of a kind 1359 01:11:41,560 --> 01:11:44,240 Speaker 1: of the slagh of the millennium, isn't she? Megan Trainer? 1360 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,840 Speaker 1: I wish that everyone could see Matt Space right now 1361 01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:52,000 Speaker 1: because the true sort of like you. It's like it 1362 01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:55,759 Speaker 1: feels like you're Sherlock Holmes, who just get the ultimate case. 1363 01:11:56,200 --> 01:11:59,240 Speaker 1: Let's get down to business here. Meghan Trainers kind of 1364 01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,000 Speaker 1: the slagh of them the millennium. I've only ever written 1365 01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:07,040 Speaker 1: one song with Megan Trainer and it's called Genetics, And 1366 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,679 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard it, it it features the pussy Cat 1367 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:14,400 Speaker 1: Dolls and you guys would love it. It's like one 1368 01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,799 Speaker 1: of the gayest bops of all time, which is obviously compliment. 1369 01:12:17,920 --> 01:12:19,840 Speaker 1: It's obviously complain. I don't need any like I think 1370 01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:22,320 Speaker 1: with her fans call themselves like m trains or something. 1371 01:12:22,640 --> 01:12:24,920 Speaker 1: I don't when I say it's the gayest song ever, 1372 01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,559 Speaker 1: that's obviously a compliment. Um, listen to Genetics. It will 1373 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,559 Speaker 1: it will ruin your life in all the right ways. 1374 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,560 Speaker 1: Best Megan and pop culture. Megan McCain can take a walk. Um. 1375 01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:39,280 Speaker 1: I also just want to actually shout out one other song, 1376 01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:44,200 Speaker 1: which is is this okay? Is this annoying to you 1377 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:46,360 Speaker 1: that we're just making you talk about? I'm loving it 1378 01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,320 Speaker 1: because also to guys like I really aren't asking you 1379 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,519 Speaker 1: about any of the big radio hits, so I never 1380 01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,680 Speaker 1: get to talk about these songs. So I'm loving Well, 1381 01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:55,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to continue that trend and say, you know 1382 01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,280 Speaker 1: what song made me get to my knees and actually 1383 01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:03,639 Speaker 1: almost crying was Jojo song music pitch that fucking song. 1384 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,519 Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with that song and she but when if 1385 01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,479 Speaker 1: you heard this, it's basically it's basically it's the first 1386 01:13:09,800 --> 01:13:13,320 Speaker 1: track on her album called Mad Love I Believe Um 1387 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:16,120 Speaker 1: and she it's basically it's a ballad and it opens 1388 01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:19,360 Speaker 1: the it opens the album, and it's basically her saying 1389 01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,080 Speaker 1: music is the love of her life and she has 1390 01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:27,400 Speaker 1: she bets her life on music every day and she 1391 01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:30,599 Speaker 1: will never stop despite the fact that it's been so 1392 01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:35,160 Speaker 1: hard for she has been paid dust by the industry, 1393 01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:38,400 Speaker 1: and she is so gifted and so talented and still 1394 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:42,400 Speaker 1: is out there killing it. And this this song to me, 1395 01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:44,720 Speaker 1: can you talk about that song? I would love to 1396 01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:49,120 Speaker 1: Working with Jojo was so fucking amazing, like all of us, like, 1397 01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:53,000 Speaker 1: not only is that voice insane, but knowing if you're 1398 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:56,000 Speaker 1: paying attention, you know the fucking hell she's been put 1399 01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,880 Speaker 1: through with a crazy first record deal and all this ship. 1400 01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,160 Speaker 1: So to get to work with her was so unbelievable, 1401 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: and like, I love someone like this, Like the more textured, 1402 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,000 Speaker 1: smaller voices that I get to work with. I love 1403 01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,000 Speaker 1: that because you tell stories in different ways. But then 1404 01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:14,479 Speaker 1: when you work with someone like Jojo, you can tell 1405 01:14:14,600 --> 01:14:18,040 Speaker 1: stories in like a fucking in a whole other way. Right, 1406 01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:21,879 Speaker 1: It's like a Natalie Mains thing. Her voice is like cinema. 1407 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:25,320 Speaker 1: It's like it could do it all, it really And 1408 01:14:25,360 --> 01:14:27,920 Speaker 1: then you know that song. Um, the producer name, uh, 1409 01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:31,400 Speaker 1: his name is Ucy, but he goes by Yusufer you 1410 01:14:31,439 --> 01:14:34,960 Speaker 1: know the producers. He's he's a really really awesome guy 1411 01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,720 Speaker 1: and very cute. Um and he was playing piano and 1412 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,599 Speaker 1: we're worth this amazing other writer named Hanley Warner who 1413 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,920 Speaker 1: did Katie Perry's Never Really Over, which I think is 1414 01:14:43,960 --> 01:14:46,519 Speaker 1: a rated so great song for me, one of the 1415 01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,200 Speaker 1: best songs that's come out in the past. This posse 1416 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:50,840 Speaker 1: to four of Us, So the three of us and Jojo. 1417 01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,400 Speaker 1: We had written probably six songs together at this point, 1418 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:55,160 Speaker 1: and this was the last one. Like, Okay, I think 1419 01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,600 Speaker 1: we're done with the album, but I didn't do the 1420 01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,719 Speaker 1: whole album. But just like we were, she was close 1421 01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:02,200 Speaker 1: to the end of her process, and um, let's just 1422 01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,840 Speaker 1: see you can get one more and let's just be 1423 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,560 Speaker 1: super raw and vulnerable, like screw the computer. Let's just 1424 01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,040 Speaker 1: go over to the piano and see what happens. And 1425 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,559 Speaker 1: um uc started playing, Hayley started singing this melody and Joe, 1426 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,519 Speaker 1: Joe and I were just kind of talking about what 1427 01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,160 Speaker 1: she wanted to say, and we talked about some real, 1428 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,760 Speaker 1: real honest, raw raw shit and that song about her 1429 01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, her dad and all this stuff. Um and 1430 01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:26,680 Speaker 1: so it's just kind of one of those things that 1431 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,599 Speaker 1: fell out sitting around a piano like it was the 1432 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,640 Speaker 1: old days, no computers involved. Obviously, eventually they had to 1433 01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:33,280 Speaker 1: get involved, but we just wrote it at the piano, 1434 01:15:33,439 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 1: like from the heart and doing what I'd love to 1435 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:37,519 Speaker 1: do the most, which is just like talk to the 1436 01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,160 Speaker 1: artist and figure out how I can navigate their truth 1437 01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:43,240 Speaker 1: the best way possible. All the readers have to listen 1438 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:48,120 Speaker 1: to this song music by Jojo. It's amazing. It was 1439 01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,759 Speaker 1: a cold writer on the damn track, which is saying something. 1440 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:55,800 Speaker 1: Jojo just sent me a vocal um on Friday night 1441 01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:58,800 Speaker 1: or Saturday night of this song she's featuring on for 1442 01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,360 Speaker 1: this art I'm working with it's like a DJ producers, 1443 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,320 Speaker 1: super cool thing. I don't think I can say who 1444 01:16:04,360 --> 01:16:07,439 Speaker 1: it is, but Jojo sent me a vocal You're not ready, 1445 01:16:07,640 --> 01:16:09,479 Speaker 1: You're not ready. It's like a it's fun. It's like 1446 01:16:09,479 --> 01:16:12,840 Speaker 1: a bop, but she's like still singing her fucking ass off, 1447 01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:14,920 Speaker 1: which sometimes it's hard to do on a bop. It's 1448 01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,240 Speaker 1: kind of hard to like really sing. But Joe Jo, 1449 01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,680 Speaker 1: so of course it happens. Get ready for it. You'll 1450 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,479 Speaker 1: know it when you hear it's coming. I think in October, 1451 01:16:22,240 --> 01:16:26,559 Speaker 1: who is the most underrated artist right now? The most 1452 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,679 Speaker 1: underrated artist out right now? Um, I mean my favorite artist. 1453 01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:32,439 Speaker 1: She's not really underrated, but I think she should be 1454 01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:37,439 Speaker 1: a thousand times bigger. Is Phoebe Bridgers? Um obsessed with 1455 01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:41,240 Speaker 1: shoe Bridgers. She's just she's like a songwriters songwriter, but 1456 01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:45,599 Speaker 1: her also vocally she's amazing. Um, she's my favorite artist 1457 01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:47,559 Speaker 1: right now. Oh to Neil Towns, I don't know if 1458 01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,679 Speaker 1: you all ever get into the like the cooler side 1459 01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:52,880 Speaker 1: of country music. Well, Dixie Chicks, so obviously you do. 1460 01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:58,800 Speaker 1: To Neil Towns has a song called Somebody's Daughter that 1461 01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,000 Speaker 1: will ruin your life. I guess Tom write with Tanil 1462 01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,840 Speaker 1: in a couple of weeks over Zoom, and I'm so 1463 01:17:03,040 --> 01:17:05,719 Speaker 1: fucking excited to check that out. It's like my new favorite, 1464 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,479 Speaker 1: Like she's my I think she's like the best thing 1465 01:17:07,479 --> 01:17:10,240 Speaker 1: to come out of Nashville in like maybe ten years. 1466 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,880 Speaker 1: Like she's unbelievable. I love that, And I love that 1467 01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:14,760 Speaker 1: you shouted out Phobe Bridgers, Mat, you should listen to 1468 01:17:14,760 --> 01:17:18,599 Speaker 1: this album Punisher. It's it's so good. And I've heard 1469 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:21,519 Speaker 1: a lot about emotional emotion sickness. Have you heard have 1470 01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,360 Speaker 1: you listen to that song? Matt, Oh, I'll send you 1471 01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,559 Speaker 1: this stuff. It's it's so good, Oh my god. And 1472 01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:31,360 Speaker 1: it's also I'm so because like she's on like she's indies, 1473 01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:33,599 Speaker 1: she's cool as like I'll never get to work with her. 1474 01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:35,840 Speaker 1: So it's really nice to to have like this this 1475 01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,439 Speaker 1: to find a new album that I'm just obsessed with 1476 01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,640 Speaker 1: as like a fan, like I'm fifteen again. It's not 1477 01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,640 Speaker 1: about like, yeah, I think I could work on that, No, 1478 01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:44,600 Speaker 1: it's just like I just listened to it endlessly and 1479 01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,840 Speaker 1: I wish that I was that good. That's pure. I mean, 1480 01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:49,960 Speaker 1: I I am When her album came out and I 1481 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,479 Speaker 1: woke up groggy, and I just decided to go to 1482 01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:56,320 Speaker 1: go on a run of impressions of her where I 1483 01:17:56,360 --> 01:17:58,920 Speaker 1: did I like, I like improvised a Phoebe Bridger song 1484 01:17:59,000 --> 01:18:01,559 Speaker 1: and I kept doing it and then it was just 1485 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:06,519 Speaker 1: like I didn't know he was a scientologist, Like it's 1486 01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:09,479 Speaker 1: all that's like crazy, these crazy details that she's she's 1487 01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:12,160 Speaker 1: such a good lyricist. Um anyway, like I like just 1488 01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,680 Speaker 1: like tweeted them and then um didn't expect anything. And 1489 01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:17,280 Speaker 1: then this was just like this is this is how 1490 01:18:17,400 --> 01:18:20,360 Speaker 1: Chloe Fineman Missfield like like like Phoebe found and retweeted. 1491 01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:23,080 Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is the perfect like 1492 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,960 Speaker 1: full circle thing where like she was able to like 1493 01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:27,880 Speaker 1: she had like a sense of humor about her own work, 1494 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,400 Speaker 1: which I was like, that's cool, like that is like 1495 01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:35,000 Speaker 1: the ideal and good for her for like being there 1496 01:18:35,040 --> 01:18:38,400 Speaker 1: because anyway, she just seems rats. Speaking of Chloe, when 1497 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:40,799 Speaker 1: you guys were talking about selling Sunset at the beginning, 1498 01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,679 Speaker 1: the only thing I know of selling Sunset is Chloe's 1499 01:18:43,720 --> 01:18:47,599 Speaker 1: impersonation of the one one Yes. So I was like, well, 1500 01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:50,360 Speaker 1: I kind of know talking about but only because you know, 1501 01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,240 Speaker 1: I stalk all of your whole posse on the internet. 1502 01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,760 Speaker 1: You need to actually become familiar with Christine Quinn from 1503 01:18:56,800 --> 01:18:59,520 Speaker 1: selling Sunset, because I think the tool you could work 1504 01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:01,880 Speaker 1: together because I don't know if she has any musical 1505 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,960 Speaker 1: talent at all, but I don't think it matters. I 1506 01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:08,080 Speaker 1: think that she should become I mean she's like an 1507 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,880 Speaker 1: Erica Jane. I have done reality star before. I mean 1508 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,639 Speaker 1: Erica does have talent though, so I don't know. But 1509 01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:16,680 Speaker 1: you brought up how many thoughts before? And it was 1510 01:19:16,760 --> 01:19:18,880 Speaker 1: so funny is that one of my first gigs ever 1511 01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:21,840 Speaker 1: of writing for other people was to write for Erica Jane. 1512 01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:23,920 Speaker 1: It was not how many facts, it was like way 1513 01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:29,960 Speaker 1: earlier and yeah, and she heard something that I had written. 1514 01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,800 Speaker 1: It would never came out, but someone played her some 1515 01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:33,880 Speaker 1: demo I had done and she was like, oh that 1516 01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:36,519 Speaker 1: that that that's fabulous, and like checked out my band. 1517 01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:38,599 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that's definitely who should be working 1518 01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,679 Speaker 1: on my project me Um to Miami, which was really 1519 01:19:42,680 --> 01:19:44,559 Speaker 1: glamorous at that time my life. I hadn't been flown 1520 01:19:44,680 --> 01:19:47,120 Speaker 1: anywhere because in the band you get places, but you 1521 01:19:47,160 --> 01:19:49,439 Speaker 1: pay for it yourself, Like she paid for my ticket 1522 01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,160 Speaker 1: and I felt so chic um and I don't think 1523 01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:55,559 Speaker 1: any of the songs ever came out. But then later 1524 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:58,439 Speaker 1: when I had a bunch of hits and someone from 1525 01:19:58,439 --> 01:20:03,080 Speaker 1: her team hit up my publisher and like, anyway, I know, 1526 01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,000 Speaker 1: I know she's a reality star, but is there anyway 1527 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:09,479 Speaker 1: Justin would work on this? And of course my publisher 1528 01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:11,679 Speaker 1: knew that, Like how Eric was one of the first 1529 01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,200 Speaker 1: people to ever think I was a good songwriter, And 1530 01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,719 Speaker 1: she was like, let me call let me call Justin, 1531 01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,400 Speaker 1: because I'm pretty sure they'll be down to do this. 1532 01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:22,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I'm fucking giving Erica Jane 1533 01:20:22,200 --> 01:20:25,040 Speaker 1: a fucking song to launch her off of Real Housewives? 1534 01:20:25,200 --> 01:20:29,639 Speaker 1: That what She's not Real Housewives? Right? Yeah happening, So yeah, 1535 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,920 Speaker 1: maybe Erica Jane had a full another another full circle moment. 1536 01:20:32,920 --> 01:20:35,559 Speaker 1: Many of those in this car, how matters do I get? 1537 01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,840 Speaker 1: And no like current like pop star would ever sing that. 1538 01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,920 Speaker 1: Not only do I just she deserves the respect because 1539 01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:46,920 Speaker 1: she she believes me before a lot of people did. 1540 01:20:47,400 --> 01:20:49,760 Speaker 1: But I'm not going to get any other pop star 1541 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:52,720 Speaker 1: to say zero zero zero none. How many funks do 1542 01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,599 Speaker 1: I give? And then there's some really weird rhyme in 1543 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:57,720 Speaker 1: like the second verse way I ran like dicks with 1544 01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:00,240 Speaker 1: eight somehow, like you can suck on my date and 1545 01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:05,080 Speaker 1: like I've had eight, Like it's not often that you 1546 01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,479 Speaker 1: get to force rhyme dick with the number eight, and 1547 01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,120 Speaker 1: if you have that opportunity, you've got to take it. Also, nothingnother, 1548 01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:14,600 Speaker 1: but she earns that because she can jump into a split, like, 1549 01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:18,320 Speaker 1: come on, the woman is giving you everything the video 1550 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,479 Speaker 1: for oh my God, it's one of her videos. But 1551 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,960 Speaker 1: she expensive and I still don't give a fuck which 1552 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,080 Speaker 1: and she lands into that split. I'm like, bitch, this 1553 01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,439 Speaker 1: is not a drill. This is I couldn't believe at 1554 01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,960 Speaker 1: the time. I wasn't watching house I was like the 1555 01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:37,240 Speaker 1: attict I am now, But at the time I was like, 1556 01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:41,639 Speaker 1: she's on Real Housewives. This is like slang like I've 1557 01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:46,360 Speaker 1: never seen before since the war. I haven't seen slanging 1558 01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:56,000 Speaker 1: like this since the war. Um, okay, we have to 1559 01:21:56,040 --> 01:21:58,920 Speaker 1: ask you the question, okay, and that is what is 1560 01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:01,200 Speaker 1: the culture that made you say culture is for me? 1561 01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,400 Speaker 1: This is formative culture that sort of set you in 1562 01:22:03,400 --> 01:22:06,040 Speaker 1: a cultural direction. You said, Sharon Stone is your number 1563 01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:09,599 Speaker 1: one of all number ones? But is there are there 1564 01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:13,320 Speaker 1: other things that come to mind? So you know, of 1565 01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:15,680 Speaker 1: course my my I've listened to the pot I know 1566 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,280 Speaker 1: how this goes. And my publicist warned me that I 1567 01:22:18,280 --> 01:22:22,960 Speaker 1: would have to answer these and so warned, well, you 1568 01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:27,040 Speaker 1: know you were warned. Every interview we do is an assault. 1569 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,640 Speaker 1: So it's good that you were warned. And it was 1570 01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,920 Speaker 1: you know, I have I have an answer for you. 1571 01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:33,639 Speaker 1: But just before, I said, I want to just let 1572 01:22:33,680 --> 01:22:37,160 Speaker 1: you know there was some serious ties, if not runner 1573 01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,400 Speaker 1: ups involved, So why don't you say the honorable mentions? Alright? 1574 01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:43,280 Speaker 1: So serious honorable mention was Debbie Gibson. Now I think 1575 01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm older cult, so I don't know if you understand 1576 01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:49,160 Speaker 1: the power, you understand the power of Debbie Gibson, the 1577 01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,479 Speaker 1: original Christina Aguilera sort of you know, and she was 1578 01:22:52,880 --> 01:23:00,280 Speaker 1: she produced and wrote everything alone alone, bitch alone. So 1579 01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:03,040 Speaker 1: this woman is no joke. And I remember being five 1580 01:23:03,120 --> 01:23:05,320 Speaker 1: years old listening to her CD tape. It was a 1581 01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,080 Speaker 1: tape then, because that's how old am. So this was 1582 01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,600 Speaker 1: I think it was like Cossette, Miss Cassette Williams. She 1583 01:23:10,720 --> 01:23:14,120 Speaker 1: was cossetting, she was cossetting for Jesus, and there was 1584 01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:16,720 Speaker 1: a song and I went like, I think I can 1585 01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:19,920 Speaker 1: do this. Wow, I could like that So that's a 1586 01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,960 Speaker 1: big culture moment for me because it was like pop pop, 1587 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:28,160 Speaker 1: female songwriter, big thing right then. There was also much much, 1588 01:23:28,240 --> 01:23:31,200 Speaker 1: much much later in life, but in terms of like 1589 01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,439 Speaker 1: pop cultures, like the trash ere side, because I was 1590 01:23:33,479 --> 01:23:36,400 Speaker 1: a total music snob as a kid, because once I 1591 01:23:36,439 --> 01:23:38,320 Speaker 1: was past Debbie Gibbson, it was like you were either 1592 01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,960 Speaker 1: Courtney Love or Anti DiFranco or Tory Amos or you 1593 01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,040 Speaker 1: didn't exist, like you had to be the coolest of 1594 01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,200 Speaker 1: the cool you know, the first like big pop culture 1595 01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:48,479 Speaker 1: kind of like I don't want to say trashy because 1596 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:52,479 Speaker 1: I loved it and respected it was Jessica Simpson's reality 1597 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:58,519 Speaker 1: situation and were specifically her g Q photo shoot where 1598 01:23:58,560 --> 01:24:01,840 Speaker 1: she's in um An America can flag bathing suit in 1599 01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,639 Speaker 1: a parachute and the parachute straps are like really giving 1600 01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:09,040 Speaker 1: a nice frame for the nether regions. That was a 1601 01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:11,879 Speaker 1: moment I was like, Okay, this type of pop culture 1602 01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:15,640 Speaker 1: now I'm on board. I never understood, but I'm, you know, 1603 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:19,599 Speaker 1: twenty year old hipster living in Brooklyn, and I think 1604 01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,400 Speaker 1: all these hipsters are wrong. Please stop talking about Strokes. 1605 01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:24,840 Speaker 1: I want to talk about Jessica Simpson in a parachute, 1606 01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,800 Speaker 1: so big moment. But then the one that I'm really 1607 01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:32,280 Speaker 1: choosing to define me is the Madonna Vogue performance on 1608 01:24:32,320 --> 01:24:33,840 Speaker 1: the v M A S where she was giving you 1609 01:24:33,920 --> 01:24:37,080 Speaker 1: full Marie Antoinette, And that was the moment I went, 1610 01:24:38,520 --> 01:24:42,320 Speaker 1: my life is over. If I'm not Madonna or any 1611 01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,760 Speaker 1: sort of version of a female pop star, I'm not 1612 01:24:44,840 --> 01:24:47,640 Speaker 1: going to survive this world. The best to ever do it, 1613 01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:49,960 Speaker 1: the best to ever do ever do it. Yeah, And 1614 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,840 Speaker 1: I love showing people Truth or Dare, especially younger folks 1615 01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:55,719 Speaker 1: that I work with the pop music and they watched 1616 01:24:55,720 --> 01:24:58,680 Speaker 1: Truth or Dare and they go, oh, so she invented 1617 01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:02,920 Speaker 1: like this whole thing everything and like with lots of 1618 01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:05,920 Speaker 1: inspiration from the queer community. But yes, she was the 1619 01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,160 Speaker 1: first one to fully be inspired by the queer community 1620 01:25:09,160 --> 01:25:11,360 Speaker 1: a hundred because now all the girls are only inspired 1621 01:25:11,400 --> 01:25:14,519 Speaker 1: by the queer community or black Obviously, long conversation have 1622 01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,240 Speaker 1: very serious, but Madonna was the first to really blow 1623 01:25:18,280 --> 01:25:20,080 Speaker 1: my mind and go, Okay, this is my life now. 1624 01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:22,320 Speaker 1: And even with Vogue at the v M AS like, 1625 01:25:22,400 --> 01:25:26,040 Speaker 1: you still had your girl Camilla cabe O do like memory, 1626 01:25:28,080 --> 01:25:32,200 Speaker 1: which I believe was I believe it was probably a yeah, 1627 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,720 Speaker 1: but it's well, but it's still like, oh, but these 1628 01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,080 Speaker 1: these are timeless things to reference, and there's there's no 1629 01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:41,960 Speaker 1: like because there is a world where someone a girl 1630 01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,839 Speaker 1: now does the thing that Madonna did, like an aesthetic 1631 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,120 Speaker 1: bars from a Madonna aesthetic from thirty years ago, and 1632 01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,839 Speaker 1: it can be received. It's like, oh, that's like actually 1633 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:56,000 Speaker 1: not cool anymore and that looks stupid and bad, like 1634 01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,200 Speaker 1: why would you ever wear that kind of hoop skirt 1635 01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,599 Speaker 1: or whatever? And like but now it's like, oh wait, 1636 01:26:00,680 --> 01:26:02,880 Speaker 1: like these are all things that can be transplanted to 1637 01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:06,960 Speaker 1: any era or any you know, pop culture in in 1638 01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:09,720 Speaker 1: like the modern era, like time. You know, it's that 1639 01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:11,920 Speaker 1: that's like the power of Madonna. That's the power Madonna, 1640 01:26:11,960 --> 01:26:13,880 Speaker 1: and that that that moment, I can see it clear 1641 01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,960 Speaker 1: as day. It was like the TV upstairs in my 1642 01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:19,759 Speaker 1: house I grew up in, and I just remember watching 1643 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,680 Speaker 1: that performance and being like, nothing will ever be the 1644 01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,920 Speaker 1: same for the world end for me. It's all And 1645 01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,960 Speaker 1: also too, because there was so many she had so 1646 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:33,240 Speaker 1: many very obviously fem queer men on stage serving kissing, 1647 01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:38,600 Speaker 1: like not not hiding their femininity at all, and that 1648 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,400 Speaker 1: was like, okay, so it might have to be a 1649 01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:43,920 Speaker 1: bathup answer. But I can still get on stage like 1650 01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:47,200 Speaker 1: that was like a big, big moment. That's so interesting. Yeah, 1651 01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:52,760 Speaker 1: like to register yourself in it completely did completely. What's um, 1652 01:26:52,760 --> 01:26:55,800 Speaker 1: what's your favorite Madonna album? I was gonna say era. 1653 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,000 Speaker 1: I was gonna yeah, both answer both questions. Yeah, I 1654 01:26:59,080 --> 01:27:01,719 Speaker 1: mean the as an album as a whole, I would 1655 01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:04,360 Speaker 1: say Ray of Light. Okay, good answer, that's that. That's 1656 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:07,280 Speaker 1: the smart answer. That's the smart answer. But music ned 1657 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:11,439 Speaker 1: answer the Yeah, but as like as not an album 1658 01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:14,680 Speaker 1: as an era, it's weird because they overlapped the like 1659 01:27:14,800 --> 01:27:18,240 Speaker 1: a Prayer slash Dick Tracy era because bog which many 1660 01:27:18,240 --> 01:27:25,400 Speaker 1: people forget Dick Tracy soundtrack, which makes no very This 1661 01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:29,040 Speaker 1: old timey cartoon movie has this song about like how 1662 01:27:29,160 --> 01:27:32,439 Speaker 1: gay men dance, how specifically black gay men dance in 1663 01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:35,800 Speaker 1: New York in the eighties. How are these? How does 1664 01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,640 Speaker 1: that work? But that happened, so it's kind of the 1665 01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:41,200 Speaker 1: overlap of the like a Prayer, which really you can 1666 01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,679 Speaker 1: just call the Blonde Ambition era. The Blond Ambition era 1667 01:27:44,080 --> 01:27:46,960 Speaker 1: as an era is for sure my favorite by far, 1668 01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:49,439 Speaker 1: but as an album there are more because a lot 1669 01:27:49,439 --> 01:27:51,639 Speaker 1: of them early Madonna albums if it wasn't a single, 1670 01:27:51,680 --> 01:27:54,000 Speaker 1: they some of the songs were pretty hard to listen to. 1671 01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:58,200 Speaker 1: Don't Kill Me, Please, Don't Kill Me I worship, But well, 1672 01:27:58,240 --> 01:28:00,360 Speaker 1: they have bigger fish to fry right now, and they 1673 01:28:00,360 --> 01:28:02,760 Speaker 1: can they can go they can go deal with they 1674 01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,840 Speaker 1: can come get their girl. Actually, but I'm wanting to 1675 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:08,839 Speaker 1: block out the fact that she's like hawking Donald Trump's 1676 01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:12,639 Speaker 1: um medication or whatever the fun You're not medication Donald 1677 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:17,280 Speaker 1: Trump's poison. I'm trying to hydro crocsicuin. Everyone's got to 1678 01:28:17,320 --> 01:28:20,240 Speaker 1: get a bottle of Hydroclora cloxicin. Yeah, I'm trying to 1679 01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:22,000 Speaker 1: block that up right now. We we Well, I just 1680 01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:25,640 Speaker 1: gave you my defining moment of culture. And you know what, 1681 01:28:25,800 --> 01:28:28,600 Speaker 1: people can be more than one thing. They can be. 1682 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:30,800 Speaker 1: They can be the defining moment of culture for a 1683 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:34,639 Speaker 1: lot of Americans and people worldwide and also be hawking 1684 01:28:34,680 --> 01:28:40,479 Speaker 1: hydro clock as a as a COVID medication, which I 1685 01:28:40,520 --> 01:28:47,840 Speaker 1: have to say is hashtag not uh nothing, not really nothing. Yeah, 1686 01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,320 Speaker 1: did I answer that question correctly? Yes? You did. I 1687 01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,679 Speaker 1: was I was nervous. I'm not gonna lie to know. Also, 1688 01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,640 Speaker 1: you've got Sharon Stone and went Stefani and they're contributing. 1689 01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,880 Speaker 1: It really clears things up for the girls. Okay, share 1690 01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:03,519 Speaker 1: Stone and Madonna sort of line up very well. I 1691 01:29:03,560 --> 01:29:06,759 Speaker 1: think they tell like their compliments to the same story. 1692 01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:11,800 Speaker 1: They are the story. But it's it's the justin Trantra store. Well, 1693 01:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,960 Speaker 1: it's it's that hyper femininity with extreme strength and possible violence. 1694 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:19,680 Speaker 1: You know. Yes, yes, again, I am not. It's a 1695 01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,960 Speaker 1: last way from a tear, last way from a tier 1696 01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,800 Speaker 1: tier but I was. I am not. Violence never have been, 1697 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,720 Speaker 1: which even though in some instance I probably should have 1698 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:31,160 Speaker 1: been to protect myself more. But yes, yes, there's something 1699 01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,719 Speaker 1: about that Sharon Stone, all those characters that she played 1700 01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:37,880 Speaker 1: so well, where she's so beautiful and so strong and 1701 01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:42,080 Speaker 1: might kill you. Really I needed that feminine strength to 1702 01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:46,040 Speaker 1: get me through fucking junior high. You know, I totally 1703 01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,479 Speaker 1: get that this is but this is the thing that 1704 01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:51,120 Speaker 1: I was that we were talking about with selling Sunset, Matt. 1705 01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,320 Speaker 1: It's like the Christine Quinn's, the Regina Georgias. These are 1706 01:29:55,400 --> 01:30:00,080 Speaker 1: women who are who could kill you, who could murder you. 1707 01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,360 Speaker 1: I love the full of this, I do, and I 1708 01:30:03,880 --> 01:30:06,080 Speaker 1: need to be put on my toes by some of 1709 01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:10,000 Speaker 1: my pop culture obsessions. I need. I need to be 1710 01:30:12,000 --> 01:30:15,680 Speaker 1: danger yet. Yeah, I need the threat of death urgency. 1711 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:18,639 Speaker 1: You know, if it's not just at least be super urgent, 1712 01:30:18,680 --> 01:30:20,599 Speaker 1: if you're not going to kill us, at least make 1713 01:30:20,680 --> 01:30:23,479 Speaker 1: us feel like what you're saying has this extreme sense 1714 01:30:23,479 --> 01:30:26,920 Speaker 1: of urgency, and be actively engaged with what's happening, you 1715 01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:28,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, I love it. I love 1716 01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:32,200 Speaker 1: the eye of the tiger in it. I For me, 1717 01:30:32,360 --> 01:30:34,720 Speaker 1: it's like if I ever, if I ever am not 1718 01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:38,160 Speaker 1: into someone, it's probably because they're aesthetic or their image 1719 01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:40,519 Speaker 1: or their energy is passive, you know what I mean? 1720 01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:45,200 Speaker 1: Like I love energy. Yep, I agree. It's like whether 1721 01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,160 Speaker 1: I was obsessed with Courtney Love or Little Kim or 1722 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,200 Speaker 1: Madonna or Gwen. None of them were making music that 1723 01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,960 Speaker 1: was anywhere close to each other, but there was this 1724 01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,120 Speaker 1: urgency in Sharence Don't even though she wasn't making music. 1725 01:30:57,760 --> 01:31:00,479 Speaker 1: Even I've tried, I definitely have tried to teach out 1726 01:31:00,520 --> 01:31:02,880 Speaker 1: to people. What if she wants a song we don't, 1727 01:31:03,200 --> 01:31:07,280 Speaker 1: she could, Yeah, you don't know, that would be huge, 1728 01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:12,679 Speaker 1: it would be it would be a colossal global hit. Um. Well, okay, 1729 01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:16,280 Speaker 1: so now we have come to the moment that is 1730 01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:19,080 Speaker 1: I don't think so honey, which I know we've been 1731 01:31:19,080 --> 01:31:21,880 Speaker 1: doing a lot of I think so honeys with our guests, 1732 01:31:21,960 --> 01:31:25,880 Speaker 1: because I mean, just that has contributed it all capital 1733 01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:29,200 Speaker 1: I capital A. But now we're actually gonna turn away 1734 01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,320 Speaker 1: from positivity and towards what I will will be calling 1735 01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,840 Speaker 1: on the show negative catharsis um, and we are going 1736 01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:37,680 Speaker 1: to do I don't think so honey sixty seconds to 1737 01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:42,360 Speaker 1: rail against something in pop culture that we don't think 1738 01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:46,200 Speaker 1: so about. Um. So uh bow and I could go first, 1739 01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:49,760 Speaker 1: I think I okay, that's good. UM, I will put 1740 01:31:49,800 --> 01:31:53,919 Speaker 1: you first. This is the traditional order. This is Matt Rodgers. 1741 01:31:54,200 --> 01:31:56,360 Speaker 1: Would you like to say something before? I would like 1742 01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:59,519 Speaker 1: to say one thing, which is the almost my I 1743 01:31:59,560 --> 01:32:02,280 Speaker 1: don't think so honey, was necklaces that have your name 1744 01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:06,800 Speaker 1: on it. Um. But I've decided that I will not 1745 01:32:07,200 --> 01:32:12,160 Speaker 1: do that today. Okay, and we have one ready to go. 1746 01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,360 Speaker 1: Let's just say, let's just say if if I feel 1747 01:32:15,400 --> 01:32:17,360 Speaker 1: a certain kind of way about it on another episode. 1748 01:32:17,400 --> 01:32:19,519 Speaker 1: I am launching into that one because I I don't 1749 01:32:19,520 --> 01:32:22,080 Speaker 1: know if I think so honey about these necklaces that 1750 01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:26,120 Speaker 1: say Mary or the necklaces that say your name but 1751 01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,680 Speaker 1: but it's not today's right. I have to be a 1752 01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:31,840 Speaker 1: little bit more oppression than topical. That's right. Okay, So 1753 01:32:31,880 --> 01:32:33,719 Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. 1754 01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,120 Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. The 1755 01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:40,160 Speaker 1: Republican National Convention, what is happening right now as we speak, 1756 01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,560 Speaker 1: and if you are listening to it, watching it, responding 1757 01:32:43,600 --> 01:32:46,640 Speaker 1: to it, reacting to it, posting about it, stop, I 1758 01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:48,800 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, because you know what, that's what 1759 01:32:48,840 --> 01:32:51,839 Speaker 1: they want. They're gonna say a lot of crazy fucking 1760 01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:54,200 Speaker 1: ship this week, and we're recording this on Monday, which 1761 01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,720 Speaker 1: means it's begun, and they're probably up there right now 1762 01:32:56,720 --> 01:33:00,439 Speaker 1: saying some crazy fucking shit. Don't buy into it. Stay 1763 01:33:00,479 --> 01:33:02,280 Speaker 1: focused on one thing, and one thing only, which is 1764 01:33:02,280 --> 01:33:04,920 Speaker 1: getting him the fuck out. We already have so many 1765 01:33:05,000 --> 01:33:07,360 Speaker 1: concerns right now that we need to be focused on that. 1766 01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:10,839 Speaker 1: They are going to be talking about other things tonight, tomorrow, 1767 01:33:10,880 --> 01:33:14,040 Speaker 1: the next day, whatever, to distract us. That's what they do. 1768 01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,479 Speaker 1: It's his playbook. I don't think so, honey. If you 1769 01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,719 Speaker 1: haven't realized by now that what Trump does is create 1770 01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:24,679 Speaker 1: public circuses to distract you from the real issues, which 1771 01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:27,759 Speaker 1: are the fact that the postal service is still under 1772 01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,800 Speaker 1: attack all the time, and you know what they they 1773 01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:33,040 Speaker 1: headlines will try to confuse you and making sure it's 1774 01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,960 Speaker 1: all okay, we need to be worried about voter suppression, 1775 01:33:35,040 --> 01:33:36,600 Speaker 1: stay focused. I don't think it's any of the r 1776 01:33:36,680 --> 01:33:40,559 Speaker 1: n C and the chaos around it. And that's one minute, 1777 01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:44,080 Speaker 1: thank you. This is what this is. This is how 1778 01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:46,479 Speaker 1: I feel, which is we're better off not watching it. 1779 01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:49,320 Speaker 1: And also what I think is very intentional is that 1780 01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:52,760 Speaker 1: the scheduling is crazy because we're recording this Monday, so 1781 01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,840 Speaker 1: it hasn't even I wasn't even sure like when things 1782 01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,360 Speaker 1: would start, but like I I got notifications throughout the 1783 01:33:58,479 --> 01:34:01,840 Speaker 1: day in the afternoon today where they were like okay, 1784 01:34:01,840 --> 01:34:05,400 Speaker 1: they officially renominated Trump and which was like, okay, yeah, 1785 01:34:05,439 --> 01:34:08,679 Speaker 1: that that's like procedurally what happens. But then like Trump 1786 01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:11,280 Speaker 1: already gave an address I think in the afternoon. But 1787 01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:14,640 Speaker 1: then he's speaking every night. I know he's speaking every day, 1788 01:34:14,680 --> 01:34:17,640 Speaker 1: but like at like two pm or three pm, he 1789 01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,280 Speaker 1: like spoke in the afternoon, and like the program I'm saying, 1790 01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,560 Speaker 1: the programming and the scheduling is also I think intentionally chaotic, 1791 01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,920 Speaker 1: so that so that no one really knows what to 1792 01:34:26,960 --> 01:34:28,920 Speaker 1: focus on or were it not to focus on, even 1793 01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:31,680 Speaker 1: so that it's like you're being pulled into this no 1794 01:34:31,720 --> 01:34:33,800 Speaker 1: matter what, even if it's against true will. So yes, 1795 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:35,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like try to tune it out as much 1796 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,439 Speaker 1: as possible. Uh, don't fall for the distraction, even though 1797 01:34:39,479 --> 01:34:42,479 Speaker 1: that's gonna be difficult. I mean, we're gonna inevitably be 1798 01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:44,920 Speaker 1: talking about this throughout the week, in the month um 1799 01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:48,720 Speaker 1: before the debates, but like it's it's and I will say, 1800 01:34:48,760 --> 01:34:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, right now, we literally are talking about it 1801 01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:54,160 Speaker 1: because it's happening. And I did make comments last week 1802 01:34:54,160 --> 01:34:55,800 Speaker 1: about the d n C, and what I would like 1803 01:34:55,840 --> 01:34:57,840 Speaker 1: to say is that we recorded that on Monday, and 1804 01:34:57,880 --> 01:34:59,479 Speaker 1: by the end of the week, I actually want to 1805 01:34:59,479 --> 01:35:01,960 Speaker 1: give some at it to the people that put together 1806 01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:05,479 Speaker 1: and pulled off a virtual d n C, because while 1807 01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:09,040 Speaker 1: I don't agree with, in fact strongly disagree with some 1808 01:35:09,080 --> 01:35:11,880 Speaker 1: of the people that they had speak, I will say 1809 01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:14,160 Speaker 1: that at the end of the week I actually felt 1810 01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:19,120 Speaker 1: hopeful about Joe Biden presidency instead of just denying Trump 1811 01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,160 Speaker 1: and wanted to get Trump out of there. I think 1812 01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:26,520 Speaker 1: that it is um really really important that we see 1813 01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:31,599 Speaker 1: someone who not only is empathetic and not only really cares, 1814 01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:35,200 Speaker 1: but someone who, and this is really important, de centers 1815 01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,800 Speaker 1: themselves in the narrative. Notice how Trump has an inability 1816 01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:44,000 Speaker 1: and incapability when it comes to taking himself out of it. 1817 01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,880 Speaker 1: It's always about him, It's always about what he's feeling, thinking, 1818 01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:51,759 Speaker 1: who's wronging him. He is unable to de center himself, 1819 01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:57,200 Speaker 1: whereas Biden will often make things about his son, his wife, 1820 01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:04,160 Speaker 1: his vice presidential nominee, his UM party, his American people. 1821 01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,519 Speaker 1: Understand that's really important. And for someone that is a 1822 01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:12,759 Speaker 1: white cis man who's in politics, who's probably been cultured 1823 01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,439 Speaker 1: to believe that the world kind of revolves around him, 1824 01:36:15,439 --> 01:36:18,720 Speaker 1: He's run for presidents several times, it's incredibly difficult for 1825 01:36:18,800 --> 01:36:23,799 Speaker 1: someone UM that's running for president to consistently decenter themselves 1826 01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:26,320 Speaker 1: in the narrative. And I'm not I'm not just heaping 1827 01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:30,519 Speaker 1: praise at Biden's feed. I'm saying I am impressed that 1828 01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,400 Speaker 1: we have a real UM effort here to make this 1829 01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,920 Speaker 1: about the American people, and there's a real contrast between 1830 01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,599 Speaker 1: these two candidates. I don't think I'm speaking to anyone 1831 01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:42,920 Speaker 1: that's on the fence. But if I am, I hope 1832 01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,600 Speaker 1: that's something that you notice because it's growth and it's important, 1833 01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:50,000 Speaker 1: and he seems interested in us, which is not an 1834 01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:55,400 Speaker 1: interest of the presidents. I think it was of an 1835 01:36:55,400 --> 01:37:02,759 Speaker 1: effective messaging moment for for the party. I fucking hate 1836 01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:07,400 Speaker 1: that they had Bloomberg up there cracking his bogoo jokes 1837 01:37:07,439 --> 01:37:09,720 Speaker 1: and they had I totally agree, they had like a 1838 01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:14,000 Speaker 1: virulently anti Muslim Yep, there was not there was not 1839 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:17,200 Speaker 1: enough Muslim presence. There was, there was, there was, there wasn't, 1840 01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:19,519 Speaker 1: there was didn't. They could have had Rashida, they could 1841 01:37:19,520 --> 01:37:22,400 Speaker 1: have had Alan. They chose that was I think that 1842 01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:26,439 Speaker 1: was a choice not to end to instead open up 1843 01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:29,439 Speaker 1: big tent bullshit and be like let's have case it 1844 01:37:29,880 --> 01:37:32,160 Speaker 1: come and like it's that was the thing. That sort 1845 01:37:32,160 --> 01:37:35,559 Speaker 1: of being the wrong way, and it only really worked 1846 01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:39,600 Speaker 1: as a harmonious sort of unified party message because you 1847 01:37:39,680 --> 01:37:43,760 Speaker 1: had progressives like AOC like Bernie sort of falling in 1848 01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,800 Speaker 1: line as it were to be like, yes, we were 1849 01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:48,200 Speaker 1: throwing our support behind Biden, even though there was that 1850 01:37:48,240 --> 01:37:50,639 Speaker 1: dumb AOC dust up with the numb with the sex 1851 01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:54,679 Speaker 1: with the second nomination thing um NBC News still owes 1852 01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,400 Speaker 1: an apology for tweeting out that she quote unquote did 1853 01:37:57,439 --> 01:38:01,720 Speaker 1: not endorse our support Biden that night. She was actually 1854 01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:05,960 Speaker 1: doing what procedure is, and she was seconding the nomination 1855 01:38:06,120 --> 01:38:09,439 Speaker 1: for Bernie because he earned enough delegates. So under they 1856 01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:14,120 Speaker 1: they and here's the real truth, and you know whatever, 1857 01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:19,120 Speaker 1: I'll just say this. NBC News willingly um posted that 1858 01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:23,840 Speaker 1: knowing how this ship works. So we have to understand that. 1859 01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:28,480 Speaker 1: You know, I understand that a lot of people stand MSNBC. 1860 01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,240 Speaker 1: We got a lot of people out of here who 1861 01:38:30,240 --> 01:38:33,559 Speaker 1: really appreciate Rachel Maddow and stuff like that. But this 1862 01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,680 Speaker 1: is a real problem. And I don't want to be 1863 01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:39,320 Speaker 1: out here on this podcast being like, don't trust the news. 1864 01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:45,519 Speaker 1: But they made a serious, serious, intentional decision there to 1865 01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,280 Speaker 1: confuse people about what AOC was doing. And it really 1866 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:52,880 Speaker 1: is hard to convince me that the mainstream media doesn't 1867 01:38:52,920 --> 01:38:54,880 Speaker 1: want a story, which is the Democratic Party is in 1868 01:38:54,960 --> 01:38:57,759 Speaker 1: shambles going forward, because you know what, it's a narrative 1869 01:38:58,120 --> 01:39:00,800 Speaker 1: and they're thriving off the narrative. And it's not a 1870 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:03,880 Speaker 1: fucking joke to real people in this country who need 1871 01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,720 Speaker 1: Trump to not be president. So I'm really disappointed in that, 1872 01:39:08,040 --> 01:39:10,840 Speaker 1: and that, honestly is let's just call that another I 1873 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,040 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, because because that was really really 1874 01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:19,360 Speaker 1: really frustrating and upsetting. It's tough too, because you know, 1875 01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,000 Speaker 1: I am fortunate to do a lot of fundraising and 1876 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,840 Speaker 1: activism for certain groups, and it is always a tough decision, right, 1877 01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,960 Speaker 1: Like so with the d n C, they were very 1878 01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:34,160 Speaker 1: clearly trying to appeal to the white voters, that straight 1879 01:39:34,160 --> 01:39:38,519 Speaker 1: white voters who are maybe undecided, right, And it's hard 1880 01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:42,519 Speaker 1: to know. I think AOC even posted something about story 1881 01:39:42,560 --> 01:39:44,720 Speaker 1: that she understood what they were doing and she respects it. 1882 01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:46,920 Speaker 1: She one percent mentioned that there was no Muslims and 1883 01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:49,439 Speaker 1: all this stuff that of course, if she was in charge, 1884 01:39:49,479 --> 01:39:52,080 Speaker 1: it would have been done much differently. But it's hard 1885 01:39:52,120 --> 01:39:54,600 Speaker 1: to know, Like sometimes right in certain fundraising things like 1886 01:39:54,600 --> 01:39:58,080 Speaker 1: but do we need a straight celebrity here to help 1887 01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:00,439 Speaker 1: us raise funds for l g B t Q causes? 1888 01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:04,840 Speaker 1: But then sometimes you do because you you need that 1889 01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,639 Speaker 1: exposure and you need that money raised. And so these 1890 01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:12,160 Speaker 1: are very tough conversations. And I am as progressive as 1891 01:40:12,560 --> 01:40:15,720 Speaker 1: as they come. Um, But I will say that just 1892 01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:18,599 Speaker 1: because in certain organizations in certain places, I am behind 1893 01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,680 Speaker 1: the scenes in these conversations, and they are hard conversations 1894 01:40:21,720 --> 01:40:24,400 Speaker 1: because if I had it my way at certain events, 1895 01:40:24,439 --> 01:40:26,960 Speaker 1: it would only be up and coming l g B 1896 01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,240 Speaker 1: t Q artists who need all the exposure and all 1897 01:40:29,280 --> 01:40:32,160 Speaker 1: the love and all that support. But then we might 1898 01:40:32,680 --> 01:40:36,919 Speaker 1: if we don't pair it with straight fucking ciss famous 1899 01:40:36,960 --> 01:40:41,000 Speaker 1: people who can really broadcast the message and amplify the message. 1900 01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,599 Speaker 1: Are are those young queer people even gonna be heard? 1901 01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:45,680 Speaker 1: Is the money going to be raised? It is a 1902 01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:48,600 Speaker 1: really really tough thing. And so like, of course I 1903 01:40:48,640 --> 01:40:50,519 Speaker 1: wish the d n C E it's the d n C, 1904 01:40:50,720 --> 01:40:53,920 Speaker 1: that's the band Jesus Christ. Of course, the I wish 1905 01:40:53,920 --> 01:40:56,519 Speaker 1: the d n C was handled in a much more 1906 01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,439 Speaker 1: progressive like scene, through a much more progressive lens. But 1907 01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,719 Speaker 1: on the other and I do understand that they're trying 1908 01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:05,559 Speaker 1: to get people's votes who haven't decided yet. UM not 1909 01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:07,439 Speaker 1: saying that I would have made the same choice. I'm 1910 01:41:07,479 --> 01:41:10,040 Speaker 1: just trying to, like always look at the I think 1911 01:41:10,080 --> 01:41:12,120 Speaker 1: we're all on the same page about this, I think, 1912 01:41:12,160 --> 01:41:14,960 Speaker 1: and I think you mentioned AOC's response, which was I 1913 01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,439 Speaker 1: thought a perfect response, which was no, I wouldn't have 1914 01:41:18,479 --> 01:41:21,479 Speaker 1: done it this way, but but props and kudos to 1915 01:41:21,520 --> 01:41:24,400 Speaker 1: the people that did pull it off. And also, you know, 1916 01:41:24,720 --> 01:41:26,800 Speaker 1: there is something to be said about the fact that 1917 01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,400 Speaker 1: we were not the intended audience for it, whether or 1918 01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,200 Speaker 1: not that is the right decision about how to program 1919 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:36,559 Speaker 1: it this year. UM, could there have been a little 1920 01:41:36,600 --> 01:41:40,040 Speaker 1: bit more outreached to the progressive um block of this party, 1921 01:41:40,040 --> 01:41:42,960 Speaker 1: which is very real and very important to be heard, 1922 01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,240 Speaker 1: and we consider ourselves all a part of that. You know, 1923 01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,960 Speaker 1: that is a question mark that I have, But I 1924 01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:51,400 Speaker 1: thought overall there was a lot of positive stuff to 1925 01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,599 Speaker 1: be said. And it's also tough two because the super 1926 01:41:54,400 --> 01:41:58,479 Speaker 1: a lot all this is a a lot of super 1927 01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:02,719 Speaker 1: young progressive people are not registered to vote, and they're 1928 01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,360 Speaker 1: they're gonna tweet and they're gonna get piste, but they're 1929 01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,920 Speaker 1: not registering. So on one way it should should they 1930 01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:12,679 Speaker 1: have made the convention geared towards getting those fucking kids 1931 01:42:12,720 --> 01:42:15,719 Speaker 1: to register? Or are they going to gear it towards 1932 01:42:15,720 --> 01:42:18,360 Speaker 1: the people who are already registered because they're sixty years 1933 01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:21,280 Speaker 1: old and they're on the fence. Like, I don't have 1934 01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:23,439 Speaker 1: the right answer for that. It's it's hard to know 1935 01:42:24,120 --> 01:42:27,800 Speaker 1: I mean electoral politics are a nightmare. I mean there's 1936 01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:31,000 Speaker 1: a reason why it so difficult to navigate. Why there 1937 01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:37,640 Speaker 1: are these like superstructures above the whole like thing of 1938 01:42:38,320 --> 01:42:40,759 Speaker 1: voting that like make it hard for people to vote, 1939 01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:44,360 Speaker 1: or make it inaccessible or all these different things. So um, 1940 01:42:44,400 --> 01:42:49,400 Speaker 1: and we need to be worried about voter suppression. Like yes, yes, um, 1941 01:42:49,080 --> 01:42:51,960 Speaker 1: I loved um. I loved the roll call And that 1942 01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,640 Speaker 1: was fun. It was great. There was there was so 1943 01:42:54,720 --> 01:42:56,639 Speaker 1: much great about it, and I thought, I did think 1944 01:42:56,680 --> 01:43:00,320 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden's final speech, it was a fantastic beach 1945 01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,200 Speaker 1: and it was something that I don't think a lot 1946 01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:04,919 Speaker 1: of people realize they needed, but you know, the American 1947 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:09,800 Speaker 1: people needed to hear condolences on the unacceptable, disgusting loss 1948 01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,639 Speaker 1: of life that we have had over these past six months. 1949 01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:17,280 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's heinous and it's it's it's 1950 01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:19,160 Speaker 1: been said at nausea. But it did not have to 1951 01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:22,519 Speaker 1: be this way. And um, you know, there is something 1952 01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:26,320 Speaker 1: to be said about human decency and there's certainly a 1953 01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:29,479 Speaker 1: lot to be said about our fucking democracy. So if 1954 01:43:29,479 --> 01:43:31,479 Speaker 1: you are not registered to vote and you're listening to 1955 01:43:31,479 --> 01:43:35,400 Speaker 1: this podcast, girl, you gotta get registered to vote, UM, 1956 01:43:35,439 --> 01:43:38,479 Speaker 1: and we need to make this happen. And UM, let's 1957 01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:42,719 Speaker 1: be really clear about the fact that you know, especially 1958 01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:46,280 Speaker 1: in those swing states and red states, we need you. Okay, 1959 01:43:46,360 --> 01:43:49,160 Speaker 1: so get out there and let's let's get this done. 1960 01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:51,080 Speaker 1: And we're gonna be talking a lot about this in 1961 01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:53,439 Speaker 1: the coming months. You know, last coach is going to 1962 01:43:53,560 --> 01:43:57,240 Speaker 1: be UM having some people on who on a local 1963 01:43:57,320 --> 01:44:00,120 Speaker 1: level are going to be running for important offices. Are 1964 01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:04,000 Speaker 1: super excited about that. And in fact, next week, UM 1965 01:44:04,000 --> 01:44:07,040 Speaker 1: not running for office, but UM, we are having Gabrielle 1966 01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:11,760 Speaker 1: Arcasio Cortez, who is the brother of Alexandriacazio Cortez, and 1967 01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:13,479 Speaker 1: we are having him on the show and we're very 1968 01:44:13,479 --> 01:44:16,320 Speaker 1: excited to talk to him about all things. Who he 1969 01:44:16,880 --> 01:44:19,800 Speaker 1: nominated a f C through for brand new Congress so 1970 01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:26,160 Speaker 1: that she UM would eventually run for Okay, UM, I 1971 01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:29,080 Speaker 1: have I have something. It'll be time now for Bowen 1972 01:44:29,200 --> 01:44:31,840 Speaker 1: Yang's I don't think so, honey, UM, that is what 1973 01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:34,679 Speaker 1: happens after I go. Bowen goes and he does always 1974 01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:38,120 Speaker 1: a stunning job. And this is going to be smart, 1975 01:44:38,280 --> 01:44:41,560 Speaker 1: it's gonna be incisive, it's going to be important, it 1976 01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:46,479 Speaker 1: will be humorous and it will ultimately teach everyone a lesson. 1977 01:44:47,240 --> 01:44:50,560 Speaker 1: So we're I'm so excited and honored to now introduce 1978 01:44:50,800 --> 01:44:54,559 Speaker 1: Bowen Yang. Who's I don't think so, honey. Time starts now, 1979 01:44:55,120 --> 01:45:01,360 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Velvet couches. Dare you try 1980 01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:06,880 Speaker 1: and create static electricity in my house? How dare you 1981 01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:10,960 Speaker 1: catch the lint off of my ass and sit there 1982 01:45:11,000 --> 01:45:14,200 Speaker 1: and look dusty as hell when you literally just came 1983 01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:17,200 Speaker 1: to my house. Let me just say, let me just 1984 01:45:17,320 --> 01:45:20,559 Speaker 1: warn do a little consumer warning PSD for everybody. If 1985 01:45:20,560 --> 01:45:23,679 Speaker 1: you warner a couch hashtag, if you order a couch 1986 01:45:23,720 --> 01:45:26,360 Speaker 1: off of joy bird dot com, they have a wonderfuirty section, 1987 01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:31,760 Speaker 1: but if you select the Cobalt blue couch, it will 1988 01:45:31,840 --> 01:45:34,320 Speaker 1: not tell you that it is velvet. I thought I 1989 01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:40,680 Speaker 1: was getting a canvas, motherfucking couch. They unboxed it and oh, 1990 01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:47,559 Speaker 1: it's a velvet, motherfucking couch. It only only works if 1991 01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,120 Speaker 1: I am stoned off my ass. I was like the 1992 01:45:50,240 --> 01:45:53,760 Speaker 1: texture of it against my skin. Otherwise, I feel like 1993 01:45:54,240 --> 01:45:59,320 Speaker 1: I'm in the eighties. I feel like I'm in Dynasty. 1994 01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't know it's going on. It takes me a 1995 01:46:01,880 --> 01:46:03,600 Speaker 1: second to adjust to the fact that it's velvet. I 1996 01:46:03,600 --> 01:46:06,320 Speaker 1: don't think so, honey, velvet couch and that's that's one minute. 1997 01:46:06,400 --> 01:46:09,040 Speaker 1: Um wow, I have to say I like your couch. 1998 01:46:09,200 --> 01:46:11,360 Speaker 1: I think that it No, no, no, no, no, no, 1999 01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:13,599 Speaker 1: it's a it's a new one. I got a new 2000 01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:17,160 Speaker 1: one this weekend. So you mean this new one that 2001 01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:19,040 Speaker 1: you don't like has replaced the old one that you 2002 01:46:19,080 --> 01:46:22,920 Speaker 1: didn't like. Fu your life. I mean it's the this 2003 01:46:23,160 --> 01:46:25,599 Speaker 1: the area is great, it's comfortable to be It's more 2004 01:46:25,640 --> 01:46:28,600 Speaker 1: comfortable than than the last one. But I'm never going 2005 01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:31,280 Speaker 1: to find the right couch. I mean you can. You 2006 01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,880 Speaker 1: can do a whole reality show on this. Bowen is 2007 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:37,040 Speaker 1: trying to find the right counch. Honestly, that might sell 2008 01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:41,600 Speaker 1: and I know it would make me sick just the 2009 01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:45,240 Speaker 1: right that's that's a good couch. I'm really glad I'm 2010 01:46:45,240 --> 01:46:48,360 Speaker 1: seeing here because in the couch and like my TV area, 2011 01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:52,320 Speaker 1: it's definitely like purple velvet. So I my apologies to you, 2012 01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:54,800 Speaker 1: but I'm glad you didn't have to see it this 2013 01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,519 Speaker 1: whole two hours because that would have just been But 2014 01:46:57,560 --> 01:47:01,200 Speaker 1: do you like it? Me? Yeah? Do you like? Oh? 2015 01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:04,439 Speaker 1: I love my velvet couch. I think it's amazing, it's comfy. 2016 01:47:04,640 --> 01:47:07,559 Speaker 1: She's like, you know, it's you know, it's just because 2017 01:47:07,600 --> 01:47:11,040 Speaker 1: everything this is this either I'm you know, she's a 2018 01:47:11,120 --> 01:47:13,800 Speaker 1: vegan queen, so I had I wanted to get like 2019 01:47:13,880 --> 01:47:17,200 Speaker 1: all the couches are vegan and blah blah. So velvet 2020 01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:18,960 Speaker 1: is kind of one of the best options for a 2021 01:47:19,040 --> 01:47:22,479 Speaker 1: vegan couch, and it's just really really co syme. It's 2022 01:47:22,520 --> 01:47:25,800 Speaker 1: it's a matter of personal taste, which leads me to ask, 2023 01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,240 Speaker 1: justin what is your favorite what kind of chair do 2024 01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:29,920 Speaker 1: you need to be in to work the best? You have? 2025 01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,000 Speaker 1: You figured this out for yourself. Yet I just like 2026 01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:35,240 Speaker 1: the corner of a couch to write in, like the couch, 2027 01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,439 Speaker 1: and then I can turn, you know, like with my 2028 01:47:37,520 --> 01:47:39,759 Speaker 1: legs up of course, like a like a teen queen, 2029 01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:42,479 Speaker 1: and like turn and like face the artists that I'm 2030 01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:44,559 Speaker 1: writing with, and like kind of in the in the 2031 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,040 Speaker 1: corner so you can face the whole room. I can 2032 01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:49,320 Speaker 1: turn to the producer who's in front of me, I 2033 01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:50,840 Speaker 1: can turn to the side to the artists. We can 2034 01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:55,160 Speaker 1: get really intimate and there are queen. Yeah, she's looking, 2035 01:47:55,360 --> 01:47:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm looking. Yes, I'm looking. I'm looking my whole life away. 2036 01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:05,200 Speaker 1: That's that's my fantastic Okay, I think it's time for Justin. 2037 01:48:05,560 --> 01:48:07,880 Speaker 1: I think it's just I don't think so, honey. Okay, 2038 01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:11,080 Speaker 1: so before we start, just like you, mat, I had 2039 01:48:11,120 --> 01:48:13,559 Speaker 1: one that I was gonna do, but then I changed 2040 01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,720 Speaker 1: it so that what I was gonna do is YouTube eyebrows. 2041 01:48:17,520 --> 01:48:21,120 Speaker 1: YouTube eyebrows, you know, the Kardashian like the overbrow, the 2042 01:48:21,160 --> 01:48:25,080 Speaker 1: YouTube makeup brow. It's got to stop. It's um it's alarming, 2043 01:48:25,479 --> 01:48:30,599 Speaker 1: it's offensive. Uh, it's it's not flattering on any anyone. Um. 2044 01:48:30,640 --> 01:48:32,920 Speaker 1: So that's just the little one. Well, we can say 2045 01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,720 Speaker 1: happily that it's now on Nottice and it didn't get 2046 01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey today, but it is it is. Yeah, 2047 01:48:40,439 --> 01:48:42,720 Speaker 1: if it's still there in a couple of months, I'm 2048 01:48:42,760 --> 01:48:46,280 Speaker 1: gonna just crash your show again just to talk about brows, please, 2049 01:48:46,360 --> 01:48:48,519 Speaker 1: and then we can talk about the nine thousand other 2050 01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:50,720 Speaker 1: songs that we didn't even get to today. We can 2051 01:48:50,760 --> 01:48:55,720 Speaker 1: truly talk to you forever, um, but for now we're 2052 01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:58,320 Speaker 1: about to hear uh the I don't think so honey 2053 01:48:58,360 --> 01:49:01,559 Speaker 1: of Justin Tranter. And let me tell you there was 2054 01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,200 Speaker 1: some contest about which one was going to be, and 2055 01:49:04,240 --> 01:49:06,479 Speaker 1: you heard what almost was, and now you're gonna hear 2056 01:49:06,520 --> 01:49:09,519 Speaker 1: what it is. So this is justin Tranter's I don't 2057 01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:12,240 Speaker 1: think so, honey, other time starts, and now I don't 2058 01:49:12,240 --> 01:49:19,320 Speaker 1: think so honey. You better find some mother fucking positivity. 2059 01:49:19,400 --> 01:49:22,320 Speaker 1: I am elizabethan right. I wanted Elizabeth Moore and all 2060 01:49:22,360 --> 01:49:24,400 Speaker 1: the fucking way I didn't get her. And you know what, 2061 01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:27,240 Speaker 1: I am finding the positives, and Joe Biden, I am 2062 01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:32,040 Speaker 1: the positive Harris. I am one board, and I am 2063 01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,400 Speaker 1: fucking excited because even though it's not as progressive as 2064 01:49:35,439 --> 01:49:38,880 Speaker 1: we want, I am still positive because it's literally the 2065 01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:44,720 Speaker 1: most fucking progressive platforms major nominee has ever run on. 2066 01:49:44,920 --> 01:49:48,120 Speaker 1: So if you can't get positive about this platform, bitch, 2067 01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:51,200 Speaker 1: we'll have fun with Trump ruining your lives, taking your 2068 01:49:51,200 --> 01:49:55,000 Speaker 1: friends jobs away, literally killing us all with COVID. So 2069 01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:59,599 Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. Until the election happens, I 2070 01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:03,959 Speaker 1: don't think so with your negativity, find some mother fucking 2071 01:50:04,040 --> 01:50:08,240 Speaker 1: positivity and shine and because I'm going to vote with 2072 01:50:08,280 --> 01:50:11,080 Speaker 1: the biggest fucking smile on my face that I have 2073 01:50:11,280 --> 01:50:15,240 Speaker 1: ever had. And that's one minute. And you know what, 2074 01:50:15,320 --> 01:50:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm really happy that you said that, because I want 2075 01:50:18,160 --> 01:50:21,160 Speaker 1: to say something about Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris is the 2076 01:50:21,200 --> 01:50:24,960 Speaker 1: most progressive person that has ever been on a Democratic 2077 01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:28,600 Speaker 1: ticket ever. And that is not just which which is 2078 01:50:28,640 --> 01:50:31,320 Speaker 1: also not to say that she was the most progressive option, 2079 01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:34,439 Speaker 1: but it does. It is meaningful that she is very 2080 01:50:34,479 --> 01:50:36,280 Speaker 1: that she is the most progressive person. To make it 2081 01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:38,439 Speaker 1: to that, and let's make it clear that I was 2082 01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:41,400 Speaker 1: definitely not saying that. I know that she was far 2083 01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:44,240 Speaker 1: from the most progressive person that was in the primaries. 2084 01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:46,960 Speaker 1: I am a Bernie Sanders voter. I am a someone 2085 01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:49,720 Speaker 1: who gave a lot of money to Elizabeth Warren. I'm 2086 01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:53,599 Speaker 1: probably very similar to the people in this zoom where 2087 01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:57,080 Speaker 1: we find ourselves. But here's the thing, and this is 2088 01:50:57,120 --> 01:50:59,920 Speaker 1: something I've been thinking a lot about. This whole thing 2089 01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:03,240 Speaker 1: about Kamala is a cop, sure, but I want to 2090 01:51:03,240 --> 01:51:06,280 Speaker 1: say something about the way that she's being talked about 2091 01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:11,960 Speaker 1: and depicted. Holding a woman of color responsible more responsible 2092 01:51:12,120 --> 01:51:16,280 Speaker 1: for a white supremacist system is in and of itself racist, 2093 01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:19,320 Speaker 1: and I want everyone to really kind of fucking slow 2094 01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:23,840 Speaker 1: their role about you know, fuck Kamala, Fuck Kamala, because 2095 01:51:23,880 --> 01:51:27,400 Speaker 1: you know what, how dare you for these last four 2096 01:51:27,479 --> 01:51:30,360 Speaker 1: or five months talk about how we have to understand 2097 01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,280 Speaker 1: the perspective of black women and we have to, you know, 2098 01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:38,519 Speaker 1: understand that the black experience is so different, and then 2099 01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:42,480 Speaker 1: say fuck her when all of a sudden she realizes 2100 01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,519 Speaker 1: the American dream of so many millions of Black women 2101 01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:49,400 Speaker 1: and Asian women in this country. And I just think that, 2102 01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:52,120 Speaker 1: you know what, you're all entitled to your opinion. Is 2103 01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:54,839 Speaker 1: she as progressive as we need her to be? Maybe 2104 01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:59,719 Speaker 1: not yet, But I am really discouraged and disappointed about 2105 01:52:00,439 --> 01:52:03,840 Speaker 1: take on Kamala Harris from a lot of progressive friends 2106 01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:07,240 Speaker 1: of mine. And yes, you are all pretty much white. 2107 01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:09,960 Speaker 1: And you know what, this is a different conversation for 2108 01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:12,519 Speaker 1: people of color that want to have this conversation. But 2109 01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:17,680 Speaker 1: the shifting on of Kamala Harris from fucking white progressive 2110 01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:21,280 Speaker 1: people and the total disregard for her perspective and her 2111 01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:23,960 Speaker 1: lived experience as a black woman who has gotten to 2112 01:52:24,000 --> 01:52:28,120 Speaker 1: where she is in an unprecedented way, shame on you, 2113 01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:30,280 Speaker 1: and I will say that, and you're you're you're exhibiting 2114 01:52:30,360 --> 01:52:35,240 Speaker 1: racist behavior. She um. She did this interview with us. 2115 01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:40,720 Speaker 1: It was with an activist UM back in November when 2116 01:52:40,720 --> 01:52:46,280 Speaker 1: she was still campaigning UM October maybe uh, And it 2117 01:52:46,360 --> 01:52:49,719 Speaker 1: was this. It was this activist who UM was basically 2118 01:52:49,800 --> 01:52:54,559 Speaker 1: trying to to abolish policing and UM as as as 2119 01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:57,360 Speaker 1: we know, and I think I think he even sort 2120 01:52:57,400 --> 01:53:00,320 Speaker 1: of brought up this thing of like, how do you 2121 01:53:00,360 --> 01:53:03,280 Speaker 1: square your candidacy as a black woman with UM, you know, 2122 01:53:03,400 --> 01:53:05,519 Speaker 1: your record and all this stuff, And she goes, well, 2123 01:53:05,560 --> 01:53:06,760 Speaker 1: I just want to talk. Oh no, no it was 2124 01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:08,760 Speaker 1: it wasn't even that. It was just about like representation, 2125 01:53:08,800 --> 01:53:10,439 Speaker 1: about like what it means for her to run and 2126 01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:13,479 Speaker 1: for her to be this contender UM. And she brought 2127 01:53:13,520 --> 01:53:15,720 Speaker 1: up this really interesting thing that I haven't forgotten where 2128 01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,800 Speaker 1: she was like, think about what I like to think 2129 01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:19,759 Speaker 1: about what you picture when I say these, for words, 2130 01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:23,360 Speaker 1: the boy next door, Like you have an immediate image 2131 01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:26,599 Speaker 1: of who that is, what they look like, where they live, 2132 01:53:27,120 --> 01:53:29,720 Speaker 1: all of this stuff that informs that image that's not 2133 01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:33,559 Speaker 1: even that specific, but you have the specifics kind of 2134 01:53:33,600 --> 01:53:37,920 Speaker 1: like programmed in you. And she's basically saying that, like 2135 01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:40,719 Speaker 1: and this this was answering again like a representation question, 2136 01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:43,280 Speaker 1: but it got me thinking about how she was like 2137 01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:45,760 Speaker 1: I am running this, I'm doing this thing that no 2138 01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:48,639 Speaker 1: one's ever really seen play out before in a way. 2139 01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:50,320 Speaker 1: And she she wasn't saying that in this sort of 2140 01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:54,920 Speaker 1: like you know, um um um, finger wagging way or anything. 2141 01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,160 Speaker 1: She was just saying, like, I'm figuring this out in 2142 01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:01,480 Speaker 1: the way that collectively we are all trying to imagine 2143 01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:05,439 Speaker 1: what a female candidate for president can be should be. 2144 01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:10,520 Speaker 1: How she's able to reckon with her past record with um, 2145 01:54:10,560 --> 01:54:12,639 Speaker 1: you know, her policy decisions. And then she like very 2146 01:54:12,680 --> 01:54:17,360 Speaker 1: gracefully talked about um, you know, the cars rolls stayed 2147 01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:19,800 Speaker 1: after that. It's like she's she's not like stuck in 2148 01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:24,400 Speaker 1: that mode of you know, district attorney, like the super 2149 01:54:24,400 --> 01:54:27,599 Speaker 1: cop who is like out there like prosecuting all these people. 2150 01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:30,720 Speaker 1: It's like she's developing in the way that you would 2151 01:54:30,760 --> 01:54:33,520 Speaker 1: even say Joe Biden developed where let's not forget he 2152 01:54:33,600 --> 01:54:35,200 Speaker 1: was the one who sort of broke rank and said 2153 01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:39,040 Speaker 1: same sex marriage should be legal, and then that forced 2154 01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:42,440 Speaker 1: Obama's hand, and then you had a couple of years later, 2155 01:54:42,560 --> 01:54:44,760 Speaker 1: a few years later, same sex marriage be legalized. It's like, 2156 01:54:45,160 --> 01:54:48,200 Speaker 1: these things are incremental, and yes, this is the most 2157 01:54:48,200 --> 01:54:51,800 Speaker 1: progressive ticket, and it's not as progressive as it could 2158 01:54:51,800 --> 01:54:53,920 Speaker 1: have been or maybe even should be. But it's like 2159 01:54:53,960 --> 01:54:58,320 Speaker 1: it's an incremental change that can still be ledgered against 2160 01:54:58,360 --> 01:55:00,800 Speaker 1: all of this other stuff that's going on. So that 2161 01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:03,400 Speaker 1: that that that's been helpful for me. Well, I think too. 2162 01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:07,640 Speaker 1: It's it's it's incremental in comparison what we want when 2163 01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,520 Speaker 1: you when you put it up against what we're going 2164 01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:12,680 Speaker 1: to get if we don't all get kindness excited, we 2165 01:55:12,760 --> 01:55:15,280 Speaker 1: have to be excited, because I think we should be excited. 2166 01:55:15,360 --> 01:55:17,960 Speaker 1: It's the most progressive thing we've ever seen. It's not 2167 01:55:18,040 --> 01:55:19,760 Speaker 1: what we want, but it could. It's it's the most 2168 01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,880 Speaker 1: we've ever gotten. Like, and if we don't get this, 2169 01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:26,160 Speaker 1: if we don't all get fucking excited and rally behind it, 2170 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:30,440 Speaker 1: then we're you know, we it's the you know, Trump's 2171 01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:33,120 Speaker 1: has over a hundred and sixty attacks on the lgbtwo 2172 01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:35,920 Speaker 1: Q community and it's not going to stop and let 2173 01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:38,640 Speaker 1: alone the racism, let alone the death, let alone all 2174 01:55:38,680 --> 01:55:41,440 Speaker 1: this stuff. So I feel like, yes, we want better, 2175 01:55:41,720 --> 01:55:45,320 Speaker 1: the sheer incompetence, sheer incompetence. Yeah, it's like we just 2176 01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:49,280 Speaker 1: I'm just I'm excited and I can't wait. Yeah, vote vote, 2177 01:55:49,280 --> 01:55:52,600 Speaker 1: like I've never voted before, but I love this. I 2178 01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:55,720 Speaker 1: love this positivity frame around it. That's perfect, It's wonderful. 2179 01:55:56,240 --> 01:55:58,320 Speaker 1: And you you bring this to everybody with your with 2180 01:55:58,360 --> 01:56:00,760 Speaker 1: your work and a justin tran where we thank you 2181 01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:05,400 Speaker 1: so much for coming. What a fun time, so fun, 2182 01:56:05,480 --> 01:56:09,120 Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much, so wonderful. What a living 2183 01:56:09,200 --> 01:56:14,560 Speaker 1: legend like Brittany, same all legends right here, too good. 2184 01:56:14,840 --> 01:56:19,000 Speaker 1: I mean, let me just say one thing, and that 2185 01:56:19,280 --> 01:56:23,200 Speaker 1: is this. We always and every episode with a song, 2186 01:56:24,960 --> 01:56:35,560 Speaker 1: we always go intolinline and that's It's actually all I'm 2187 01:56:35,560 --> 01:56:37,640 Speaker 1: gonna do because I'm not going to insult our guests. 2188 01:56:38,080 --> 01:56:40,800 Speaker 1: But to hear that song listen to Selena Gomez. I 2189 01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:43,160 Speaker 1: think it sounded great. And I've heard I've seen videos 2190 01:56:43,160 --> 01:56:45,080 Speaker 1: of you doing your Christmas show where you sing your 2191 01:56:45,080 --> 01:56:50,160 Speaker 1: ass off. I know, I know. And baby also too, 2192 01:56:50,440 --> 01:56:53,360 Speaker 1: you know all those backing vocals, the big choir in 2193 01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:55,720 Speaker 1: Lizzie to Love Me, that's me and Julia doing it. 2194 01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:59,640 Speaker 1: There we go and to hear more of that, you guys, 2195 01:56:59,680 --> 01:57:03,840 Speaker 1: listen the album rare As. The song is Lucy to 2196 01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:09,680 Speaker 1: Love Me. This is Kazy kaz alright, Bye bye