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Speaker 1: M. The Around the League Podcast works nights at the

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Speaker 1: Factory of Sadness. Welcome back to another edition of the

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Speaker 1: Around the League Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and

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Speaker 1: I'm joined as always by a room full of heroes.

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling, Greg Rosenthal and Mark Sessler. What up? Boys,

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Speaker 1: Hey damn good of you to come in on your

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Speaker 1: day off, like much earlier than planned. Well, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what this morning. Thank you for bringing that up,

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Speaker 1: because this morning I was I went to the third

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Speaker 1: floor of my gym, which is not a place i'm

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Speaker 1: at a lot. It's where the weights are, and I

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Speaker 1: did some lifting And I just want to say a

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Speaker 1: lot of this goes back to if we're really going

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Speaker 1: to brawl with the Damash X show, guys, I understand

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Speaker 1: that my role is to become stronger and take down

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Speaker 1: I don't know, like the way I look at it

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Speaker 1: is Greg and Damashek. What do you think, Greg? Can

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Speaker 1: the side and crack jokes or whatever. Okay, Mark, who

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Speaker 1: I would have had no problem taking down Rank before

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Speaker 1: he turned into honestly, he looks sort of like a

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Speaker 1: semi chiseled superhero's, like like one of those Chippendale's dancers.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, he concerns me. So I I'll go T

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Speaker 1: D T D and then you know, Wes, I, I

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Speaker 1: don't have any doubts about you, because I do understand

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Speaker 1: that in your days on Tybee Island that you used

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Speaker 1: outside hucka poose And Uh, as far as I'm sern

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Speaker 1: Rank as a frat boy, he's going down. We're all

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Speaker 1: just gonna attack Rank. Well, I got t d um

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Speaker 1: all right, So let's let's all start thinking about that

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Speaker 1: that battle. It's it's heating up with the damn Check

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Speaker 1: football program. Uh. Today is Wednesday. We are on the

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Speaker 1: precipice of week five action. Where do you guys want

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Speaker 1: to start today? Let's start with the news. Start with

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Speaker 1: the news. K Ridge, how you doing, I'm great? How

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Speaker 1: are you guys? We're doing okay? Or what do you

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Speaker 1: think about our chances in that fight? By the way, um,

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering, how come no one's taking on Check?

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Speaker 1: Do I have to be the one to do it? Now?

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Speaker 1: We're we're on the side. I don't think Damna Chek

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Speaker 1: He's more of the don king of this promotion. Or

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Speaker 1: we could we could get k Rich involved as well,

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Speaker 1: would they would just talk everyone to death, They would

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Speaker 1: All right, k Rich hit the news. It has been

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Speaker 1: a while since you've heard my interview that Bonker Sacks

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Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders demote Matt Flynn to the number three quarterback

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Speaker 1: behind mclod and always prior to start. I can't say

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised by this. Poor Matt Flynn. The gig is up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, this guy has been getting a big

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Speaker 1: the Lions. Well it was it was one game that

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Speaker 1: your fourth round pick Tyler Wilson, Thanks Buddy Well And

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Speaker 1: two years in the job, the best quarterback Reggie McKenzie

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Speaker 1: It was another very successful move by Ozzie Newsome. I

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Speaker 1: cannot understand what after watching Levi Brown this season, what

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Speaker 1: You can't compare him. Levi Brown was gonna get cut.

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Speaker 1: It's basically a guy that was gonna get released. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we'll pay his salary for you. Uh. And the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: then if this is the beginning of the end of

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Speaker 1: Bryan McKinney, you can make the argument that sweet Pea

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Speaker 1: no doubt an iconic figure in the NFL. Okay, rich,

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Speaker 1: what else is in the news? Alright? Last up? This

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Speaker 1: San Francisco forty nine or safety Dante Wittner says he's

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Speaker 1: changing his name to Dante Hittner. No, I don't know

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Speaker 1: about you, guys, but I'm smelling the remnants of Ocho Sinko,

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Speaker 1: the remnants of Otio Sinco necessarily, But I'll let someone

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Speaker 1: to Hitler under any circumstances. Hittner way too close to Hitler.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he doesn't have a grasp on history. Maybe he

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan of any move that allows us, like

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Speaker 1: a business. If this allows us to have just a

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Speaker 1: little bit of fun and Dante Whitner's not taking himself

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Speaker 1: which would be kind of like a cool Irish Jewish thing,

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Speaker 1: the first time Cessler and I would have almost the

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Speaker 1: on some level. I don't want to talk about and

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Speaker 1: and this that that doesn't that almost sounds that's actually

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Speaker 1: h I like my age. Um, alright, anything else can

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Speaker 1: rich guys take it away? Thank you, Crystal. Alright, So

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Speaker 1: outside of Greg, no one saw this coming. And uh,

423
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Speaker 1: he's my pick at he just he's looked dominant consistently. Oh,

424
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Speaker 1: if you did watch him, it wouldn't have helped you

425
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Speaker 1: because he was a great run stopper. He kind of

426
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Speaker 1: seemed like one of those three four defensive ends that

427
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Speaker 1: stopped the run, can't rush the passer, and he's it's

428
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Speaker 1: like he's a new player. Here's the juicy stat courtesy

429
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Speaker 1: of Pro Football Focus. Cameron Jordan's has sixteen QB hits

430
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Speaker 1: through four games, which is better than J. J. Watt.

431
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Speaker 1: So to say who has thirteen? So to say that

432
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Speaker 1: he has improved as a pass rusher is really almost

433
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Speaker 1: an He was a run defense specialist last year, and

434
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Speaker 1: I wonder how much you credit Rob Ryan for turning

435
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Speaker 1: him into a pass rusher. I can't stop that Saints defense. West.

436
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Speaker 1: I know I'll never bet against them against you don't bet, No,

437
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Speaker 1: it's not legal, West. Who is your biggest surprise? You know,

438
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Speaker 1: I'd love to say Reggie Bush, but we had seen

439
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Speaker 1: signs that maybe the USC Reggie Bush was coming back.

440
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Speaker 1: I'll take the quarterback whom I compared to Carson Palmer,

441
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Speaker 1: And in all I thought Philip Rivers was washed up.

442
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 1: I thought his arm was gone, and it's not. I

443
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Speaker 1: he made some of the prettiest passes last week. And uh,

444
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Speaker 1: we should all recognize that Bruce Carter cannot cover Danny Woodhead.

445
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Speaker 1: So if any Chargers fan has listened to the extent

446
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Speaker 1: of this podcast, they're no longer seating at you for

447
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Speaker 1: your earlier comments. Hey, to their credit, they don't see

448
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 1: they don't show that hatred on Twitter. You know. The

449
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 1: thing with Philip Rivers too, is if you remember how

450
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Speaker 1: he was a complete afterthought by a lot of people

451
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Speaker 1: that are considered experts. Um, you know the way he

452
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Speaker 1: was throwing the ball the way and even in preseason

453
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Speaker 1: people described his passes as balloons. I mean, what happened?

454
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Speaker 1: I know it can't be just there has to be

455
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Speaker 1: a reason why he became this guy again if there

456
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Speaker 1: were signs to the contrary for two straight years. What

457
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Speaker 1: has changed with Philip Rivers obviously is his talent isn't

458
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Speaker 1: great around him. I think we see this with quarterbacks

459
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Speaker 1: a lot, and we as as often as we see it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember the first time I noticed it

461
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Speaker 1: as a utball fan when Brett Farve was surrounded by

462
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Speaker 1: tons of talent, great offensive line with Frankie Winners and

463
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Speaker 1: those guys. He had Antonio Freeman, he had Robert Brooks,

464
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Speaker 1: he had Sterling Sharp, and then towards the tail end

465
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Speaker 1: of his Packers career, all that talent was gone and

466
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Speaker 1: you saw his play suffer and everyone just started burying him.

467
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Speaker 1: This there's this whole generation of American football fans who

468
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Speaker 1: think five was overrated because they missed his MVP years

469
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Speaker 1: and only saw the years where he had bad surrounding talent.

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Speaker 1: And that's the kind of thing that Big Ben is

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Speaker 1: dealing with the first few weeks this year. Rivers is

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Speaker 1: dealing with it. Dealt with it last year. When your

473
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Speaker 1: offensive line is terrible and then guys like Antonio Gates

474
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Speaker 1: have to stay in the block, it just you're not

475
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Speaker 1: gonna play as well. It wasn't that bad last year.

476
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Speaker 1: It's public perception gets to a point with quarterbacks where

477
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Speaker 1: a story's written and you just believe it. He played

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Speaker 1: great at the end of last season. He made a

479
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Speaker 1: lot of good throws on a weekly base, made a

480
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Speaker 1: lot of interceptions too, but he wasn't ever that bad.

481
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Speaker 1: More turnovers than any quarterback in the league, including Mark Sanchez,

482
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Speaker 1: but like Eli Manny has more turnovers than anyone in

483
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Speaker 1: football the last three years, and we don't think he

484
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Speaker 1: told A big part of this discussion is pressure. Yeah,

485
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Speaker 1: you fall into bad habits. You know. Greg Costel used

486
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Speaker 1: to say that Philip Rivers is the best quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the NFL with defenders in his face. By the end

488
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Speaker 1: of last year, he was saying he was one of

489
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Speaker 1: the worst defenders in the NFL with with defenders in

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Speaker 1: his face. And I think, you know, Sam Bradford, this

491
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Speaker 1: has happened to him because he started his career with

492
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Speaker 1: no offensive line. He's developed bad habits. Is it interesting

493
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Speaker 1: also that we see Ryan Matthews looks refreshed to me,

494
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 1: and Antonio Gates looks like a completely revived younger player.

495
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,719
Speaker 1: You know, there was so much bad energy in that organization.

496
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Speaker 1: I think they kept the coaching staff in the GM

497
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Speaker 1: around a year, if not much longer than they should

498
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Speaker 1: have out of the gate last year. There were so

499
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Speaker 1: many problems in that organization. It's like this change, this

500
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Speaker 1: coaching change, has been good for them along with him

501
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Speaker 1: growing as a pastor. He looks, he looks, he looks

502
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Speaker 1: like a different guy in the pocket. But I also

503
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Speaker 1: think that they just simply said the Chargers are starting

504
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: over and it's worked. Um, okay, moving on, Mark, you

505
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Speaker 1: had Cameron Jordan's I will go with Jordan Cameron of

506
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Speaker 1: your Cleveland Browns. I mean, I didn't watch the Browns

507
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Speaker 1: close enough to see this guy as a rising star,

508
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,520
Speaker 1: but he arrived fully for him this year as a

509
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Speaker 1: stud through four games, thirty catches, three d sixty yards,

510
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Speaker 1: five touchdowns. Uh, that's Jimmy Graham like production. The only difference,

511
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Speaker 1: of course, is Jimmy Graham Is catching passes from Drew

512
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Speaker 1: Brees and Jordan Cameron's catching passes from a combination of

513
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Speaker 1: Brandon Weeden and Brian Hoyer. Well, in real quick it's

514
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Speaker 1: funny that we norv Turner was the problem one place.

515
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Speaker 1: He certainly has a pedigree with tight ends. He goes

516
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Speaker 1: to Cleveland. I think he has a big role along

517
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Speaker 1: with Chud in Jordan Cameron's development. But it's an indictment

518
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Speaker 1: of Pat Shermer's regime too. Because they could not make

519
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Speaker 1: anything of him last year and they needed him. There

520
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: was space for him to contribute. He wasn't a blip

521
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Speaker 1: on the radar. This staff just found a way to

522
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Speaker 1: get his talent out there on the field. I would

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Speaker 1: be surprised, too, except I read making the Leap, which

524
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Speaker 1: Mark Sessler featured, you know did not? You know we

525
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Speaker 1: I did? At No, it's and it goes both ways.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I never would have seen what he's

527
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Speaker 1: done over four games as a possibility for him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's been really amazing. Greg, who's your pick for

529
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Speaker 1: surprise of the early going. I'm gonna go with the

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Speaker 1: Indianapolis Colts in terms of how they've played. I never

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Speaker 1: thought this defense was gonna be any good. Their fourth

532
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Speaker 1: in the league and scoring defense. Robert Mathis is tied

533
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Speaker 1: for the league in sacks. They're running the football. They've

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Speaker 1: turned into a totally different team and they're better. And

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Speaker 1: this is a team I thought Andrew Luck was gonna

536
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Speaker 1: just have to carry them, and I think they've got

537
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: a really good team. I think they have a good defense.

538
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: Maybe we didn't give Pogano enough credit for getting his

539
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Speaker 1: program together because on paper, the players don't seem like

540
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Speaker 1: they're they're on the sense and they're dangerous. They're turning

541
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Speaker 1: into the Seattle Seahawks on us they are, which is

542
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Speaker 1: not as much fun to watch, but it might be,

543
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Speaker 1: you know, their way to make the Super Bowl. I mean,

544
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Speaker 1: I think this is this week's game against Seattle is

545
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: fastening because I think you have to take the Cults

546
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,120
Speaker 1: really seriously with that quarterback in that defense. Okay, let's

547
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Speaker 1: move on to biggest disappointments and I'll start this one.

548
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Speaker 1: This is somebody we've touched on a couple of times now,

549
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Speaker 1: Tavan Austin St. Louis Rams. This is a guy that

550
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Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of people got excited

551
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 1: during the draft process, uh in what he could do.

552
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people got excited during the

553
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Speaker 1: draft process, Uh the ramp up to you know what

554
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Speaker 1: he could be. I think it was Mike Mayack has

555
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: said he could not be covered in small spaces. Turned

556
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Speaker 1: out he's been very easily covered in small spaces, and

557
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with, uh, the

558
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: game plan around him. Um. So we have not seen

559
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: anything from Tavon Austin to tell us that he could

560
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: transform the Rams offense. But again, maybe this is more

561
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Speaker 1: a game plan scheme situation. I don't think we should

562
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: be surprised when a rookie wide receiver struggles. But but

563
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: don't we remember this was a little different. The way

564
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Speaker 1: this guy was being hyped up, that he was being

565
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: he louted is something different. He was compared to a

566
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Speaker 1: smaller version of Percy Harvin, who did come in and

567
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Speaker 1: take the league bust storm as a rookie. There was

568
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Speaker 1: a and it was in house, a lot of hyperbole

569
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Speaker 1: surrounding tavan So I think it's hard not to call

570
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Speaker 1: him a disappointment. It may not be his fault, but

571
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Speaker 1: his numbers. No one would have said, oh, this is

572
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Speaker 1: where we think he'll be a first right now. I

573
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: was draft Robert Woods over Tavon Austin. I think Woods

574
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Speaker 1: is great, wouldn't you at this point? No? No, because

575
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Speaker 1: when we talk about my biggest disappointment, I'll make that point, Well,

576
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Speaker 1: let's talk about your biggest Well let's stay right there

577
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Speaker 1: in St. Louis, and I'm going to wrap biggest disappointment

578
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: Gabbert Zone and after Dalton into one big award. Brian

579
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: Schottenheimer and Sam Branford can share this award. This team.

580
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Speaker 1: All we heard all offseason, how they have so much

581
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: young talent there gonna spread the field. They haven't done anything.

582
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Speaker 1: This is one of the most boring teams in the NFL.

583
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Speaker 1: Will watch, and they have so much talent. They should

584
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Speaker 1: be operating in space well, and they're not doing any

585
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: of that. I think Bradford has regressed. I think it's

586
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: it's on Schottenheimer to use Tavon Austin better, and he

587
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: hasn't done it. So they are my biggest disappointment. I

588
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: couldn't agree more because the one thing about them, so

589
00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, let's say one or two weeks and they

590
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: find out, hey, we're not we haven't cooked up something

591
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Speaker 1: in offense that's really worked here. They go into the

592
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: third and the fourth game, nothing looks different, no adjustments,

593
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing that they did the week before. Right,

594
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll prove us wrong to play the devil's advocate.

595
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: I guess on on one. One part is, you know,

596
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Speaker 1: I did see some some writing this week and analysis

597
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: that Brian Schottenheimer is now taken to first round quarterbacks

598
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Speaker 1: in Sanchez and Bradford, and neither of them look any good.

599
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: But I really think that's more about the quarterback talent

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Speaker 1: on its own. I don't think you could put that

601
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Speaker 1: on on Schottenheimer. But at the same time, this guy

602
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: now has a reputation as somebody that maybe is not

603
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: a side the box thinker on offense. Well, listen, you

604
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: take into considering his pedigree. I mean, some of some

605
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: coaches do take middle of the road quarterbacks and get

606
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Speaker 1: the most out of them. I don't think anyone's saying, hey, listen, Sanchez,

607
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: and from what we know of Bradford, these are you know,

608
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: Hall of famers waiting the wings that that's Shottenheimer ruined.

609
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: He just doesn't even really get them to do what

610
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: they possibly could the best they can. I mean, Bradford

611
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 1: looks like a complete disaster whole team. That was the worst.

612
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: That was one of the worst games of his career

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Speaker 1: that we all watched. Though I think that's fresh in

614
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Speaker 1: our minds. He he hasn't been that bad every week.

615
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Speaker 1: I think if you pulled league executives, they would put

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Speaker 1: Sam Bradford among the most talented quarterbacks in the NFL. Still, yes,

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Speaker 1: I think they would say that, And I think to

618
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Speaker 1: that point, you heard the Rams say just a year

619
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Speaker 1: and a half ago they said that we think this

620
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Speaker 1: guy can be the best quarterback in the NFL. That's

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Speaker 1: why we're giving up the chance to draft r G three.

622
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Speaker 1: He seems good, just good enough to get you beat

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Speaker 1: and get you fired. Here. I think I think that's

624
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Speaker 1: who he is, but I think his talent is higher

625
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Speaker 1: than that. Cecily your disappointment, you know, for me, it's

626
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Speaker 1: more a response to what I heard some people saying,

627
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: Oh that, you know, this year's quarterback that everyone thinks

628
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: is nothing, who's going to prove everyone wrong with the

629
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: super Bowl title? As Andy Dalton never bought it. So

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm not even that disappointed because this is

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Speaker 1: what I expected. But Andy Dalton to me as flatlined

632
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: and Greg Greg said it best. This is a guy

633
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: that essentially he came into the league at his ceiling.

634
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Speaker 1: I find him is boring to watch Sam Bradford, and

635
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you why, because the Bengals actually have done

636
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: a nice job, like the Rams, of surrounding him with

637
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: a number of skill players that even an average game

638
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: manager could do a lot with. You go watch that

639
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: game against the Browns. It's not just Cleveland's defense, which

640
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: I think is a good defense, Dalton does nothing to

641
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 1: make the players around him better, and he did nothing

642
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: to lift them out of a dark situation they were

643
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,959
Speaker 1: in that game. It's like, if they don't roll in

644
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: with the lead at some point midway through, he can't

645
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: do anything to excute him. He's a very disappointing quarterback.

646
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: Here's Andy Dalton's two in one quarter year career in

647
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: one sentence. If a J. Green isn't open, the Bengals

648
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: offense does nothing, and they those that fan base hates

649
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: hearing that, but it's true. It's happened over and over.

650
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: It happened against the Texans in the playoffs, it happened

651
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: against Cleveland. You get a cornerback that can shut down

652
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: a J. Green, there's nowhere for that team to go.

653
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: Greg your disappointment, Well, I'm not gonna try to get

654
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: too cute here. The New York Giants have given up

655
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: more points than any team in football. If you didn't

656
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 1: know Tom Coughlin was coaching this team, you would think

657
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: it was coached by one of the You know, this

658
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: is not just a team going oh and for like

659
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: the Bucks, let's say have with some draba. This is

660
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 1: a team that does nothing. Well, they can't run at all,

661
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: they can't operate on offense at all. Their offensive line

662
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: is performing at a worst level than any offensive line

663
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 1: I can remember. Oh and they have the worst defense

664
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: in the league. So this is a team if you

665
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 1: did know it wasn't the Jaguars. They've been worked. They've

666
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: been just as bad as the Jaguars. And to see

667
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: an organization like that struggle to that degree, you know

668
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: they have time to bounce back. But if it, if

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00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: this kept up, this is the type of thing that

670
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: actually hurts Tom Coffin's Hall of Fame Candasy, I'm serious

671
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: to coach, if he goes down with a two and

672
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: fourteen team like that's that embarrassing, it's gonna hurt him.

673
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. He's got the two rings,

674
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: and they were very memorable games, especially the first one.

675
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: It would have to I would think, So it would

676
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 1: have to be multiple poor seasons. If he goes one

677
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:33,399
Speaker 1: and then he's tired of it and walks out the door,

678
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 1: I think he's he's safe. Two rings automatically get you

679
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: in the Hall as a coach. Now Tom Flores has

680
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 1: two rings. Yeah, I don't know. Jimmy Johnson has two rings.

681
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: He's not even close, and he's had a had a

682
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 1: better I would take Jimmy Johnson over Tom Coughlin any

683
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: day of the week. I'd love to be the sculptor

684
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: that gets just to create that Jimmy Johnson. Oh, I

685
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: thought you would say, Tom Coughlin, like you have to

686
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,760
Speaker 1: throw in some rouge. Well, who would you rather craft?

687
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: Would you rather craft Jimmy Johnson's hair or Tom flores

688
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: Is hair? I'm going to Johnson, both pretty pretty nice.

689
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: We're never going to find out. So imagine though, if

690
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 1: Rex Ryan was coaching this Giant's team, what the reaction

691
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: would be in New York. I mean, it is the

692
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 1: biggest catastrophe you can imagine so far. Well, that's maybe

693
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: because Tom Coughlin doesn't promise things before he delivers them.

694
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: Well no, but that's that's that's a fair That's is

695
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: one of the more humble coaches around there. He's aid

696
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 1: dif from a different time than Rex Ryan. I don't

697
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: even know what that means. All right, So that's where

698
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: we're at. Those are that's our look at the quarter

699
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: point of the season. Before we go, we should do

700
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: a little talk about Thursday Night Football, mostly out of

701
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: respect for Mark Sessler. It is the Buffalo Bills are

702
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: heading to the dog Pound. They still call it the

703
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: dog Pound. Don't you don't need to talk about this

704
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: game on my behalf. They just have to go in

705
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,000
Speaker 1: and take care of business. Talk about it, I mean,

706
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 1: and just got to go in. I'm scared of business.

707
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: I'm scared to death of Derrick Anderson versus Trent Edwards

708
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: Park two. Listen. This is Brian Hoyer, who I am

709
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: still juries out. But Brian Hoyer, as a fan, was

710
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 1: in Cleveland Stadium when they played that last game before

711
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: they moved, ripping the ripping the stands out of the

712
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 1: dog pound and throwing in the ground. I'll take him

713
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: over Brandon Whedon's now he's the starting a crime of

714
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: the heart. They could be in the first place. I'm

715
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: excited about this game. I like it when the random

716
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 1: teams you don't see as much are on national television.

717
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: And maybe Chris Wesley and only likes watching you know,

718
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: the greatest teams on earth every week. But I think

719
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: this is a pretty intriguing match. You could stick me

720
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: with that reputation. I don't care. I like to watch

721
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: good football. At the Expensive Band Football. This is my thought,

722
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 1: my thought on the game. I said it to Mark

723
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: down stairs. I'll say it again. If we want to

724
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: take the Browns seriously on any level, as a Cinderella

725
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: level team that can make some noise in the a

726
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: f C this year, at least in the wild card

727
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 1: race or who knows division. It's not a good division,

728
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: win this game. You're at home, you you should win

729
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: the game. Buffalo is not a very good team, especially

730
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: on the road. They're pretty terrible. Why do we Why

731
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 1: are we sure Buffalo is not a good team. H

732
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: do you think Buffalo is a good team. They're not

733
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: a great team. My point is it's not like Cleveland

734
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: is facing a team that that's better than them or

735
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: superior on some level. I think this is a winnable game.

736
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: And then the reason I say that is if you

737
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: take care pauses this game. You've got a tough schedule

738
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: coming up for the Browns. You got first lines at Packers,

739
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: at Chiefs versus Ravens into your by if you want

740
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: to if you want to take a run at this

741
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,279
Speaker 1: and try to get to nine wins, you gotta win

742
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: on Thursday. I think we need to be careful of

743
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 1: assuming too much that we know anything. After two weeks

744
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 1: we all were making jokes about the Browns, how stupid

745
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 1: your prediction was to have them at nine wins. Now

746
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: it looks like maybe it'll be okay. We don't know

747
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: if the Bills are good or not. They have they

748
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: have a pretty good defense. I think we don't know

749
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: if the Browns. I mean, this could be an eleven

750
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: win team. It's so early in the year and there's

751
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,399
Speaker 1: so much we don't know. I'm excited about this game

752
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: because I do think the Browns have a chance to

753
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 1: be really good, because they have a top five defense

754
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: and they have a pretty good quarterback. These Thursday night

755
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: games all maybe I'm getting carried away, but they they

756
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: have a quarterback that's given them a spark and it's

757
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: an upgrade for them, and they have a really good defense.

758
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: These Thursday night games have been to West's point, Well,

759
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: I don't care who it is that's playing some of

760
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: the worst football that we've seen. I don't know if

761
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: it's the short practice week, but there was someone out

762
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: there that has a stat that over the last something

763
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: like nineteen Thursday night affairs, there have been forty touchdowns

764
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,919
Speaker 1: and forty interceptions. That it's the team that can run

765
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,880
Speaker 1: the ball better. That's one. And if that's the case,

766
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: if Spillers healthy, Cleveland's got really essentially nothing at running

767
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 1: back Buffalo. If it's a grinded out type thing, that's

768
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: not a good game for Cleveland. Wait wait, wait, The

769
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: Browns can run much easier against the Bills run defense

770
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: than the Bills can run on the Browns front seven,

771
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: which has shut down everybody's in fear. Are you're right?

772
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 1: I hope that you know Cleveland's defense is the reason

773
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 1: there too. And two, we'll see it's a lot of

774
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: defensive talent on both of these teams. Real quick, let's

775
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: go around and pick that game, Greg, I'm taking the Browns. Mark,

776
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,399
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go Browns too. Jee a coin flip game

777
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: for me, I'm taking the Browns. Zero emotion from West

778
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: refuses to refuse Nick when it comes to this, and

779
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,399
Speaker 1: I will take the Browns as well, so that if

780
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: Patrick listens to the podcast, he has a setup for

781
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: a hero pick if this will be a good litmus test. Yet,

782
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 1: I can still pick the Bills. No, you can. You

783
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: can if you're really playing the game in terms of trying,

784
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,920
Speaker 1: if you're trying to just beat each other at picks

785
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: that you would definitely want the bills here because I

786
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: agree it's kind of a coin flip game. Okay, so

787
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: that is Wednesday's podcasts. On Friday we will be back.

788
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: We will talk about that game. Hopefully Cessler will be

789
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: in good spirits. Um. We will also go over all

790
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: the week five games until well. Then. This is Dan

791
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 1: Hansons signing off for the Mailman, the Sizzler, the Boss

792
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: came Ridge behind the glass, and of course Lyle the

793
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:09,360
Speaker 1: Intern still frieda