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Speaker 1: the volume. Welcome to the Richard Sherman Podcast. I got
Speaker 1: a special guest, my guy, Tyler Lockett. I call him
Speaker 1: no he nobody knows why because apparently I'm old now
Speaker 1: and and there's not another Locket on the team. But
Speaker 1: I appreciate you joining. I mean, how you how you
Speaker 1: doing man? I'm doing good man? And if you're old
Speaker 1: and that means I'm still young because I came in
Speaker 1: way way after you, right, and you the vet vet.
Speaker 1: Now you're you're the super vecu Right. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't been here so long, man, I didn't seen draft
Speaker 1: classes come and go. That's that's when I knew it was.
Speaker 1: I'm like, dang, man, do you remember when you were
Speaker 1: all innocent? You thought the lead was just you know, sunshine,
Speaker 1: the rainbows. This is a cool place. I remember when
Speaker 1: I first day I got there. This's a shoot all.
Speaker 1: It's way different from case stay. I might enjoyed being here.
Speaker 1: This was like an hour and a half, right, that's it, right,
Speaker 1: And you've been there ever since, and you've been thriving. Man,
Speaker 1: how's the hand doing? The hand is doing pretty good? Man. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think you know, I'm kind of blessing the situation
Speaker 1: that I mean, just because it wasn't like it was
Speaker 1: a broken hand or where I had to sit out,
Speaker 1: you know, for four or five months and was the
Speaker 1: end of my season. I actually got a chance to
Speaker 1: be able to see how much work I could put
Speaker 1: in just to be able to come back out and
Speaker 1: try to be able to play a help team. I
Speaker 1: don't understand no, because you've been balling. You know, this
Speaker 1: is your um team season of being consistent, and you
Speaker 1: need a couple more yards for your thousand. But you
Speaker 1: in d K just like like they always just act
Speaker 1: like you're not out there balling, you're not killing like
Speaker 1: and and that goes for a lot of people. Why
Speaker 1: do you think that is? You know, I mean, you've
Speaker 1: been doing it for a long time. D K came
Speaker 1: on the scene and he's been playing at a high level.
Speaker 1: But it's still no matter how many yards and touchdowns
Speaker 1: your second all time and touchdowns and Seahawks history, but
Speaker 1: people still don't give you that love. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I really don't know why, bro Um. It's one of
Speaker 1: those things where ever since I got here, I mean,
Speaker 1: even when you were here, like Doug didn't get any
Speaker 1: love too, you know, and was phenomenal with everything that
Speaker 1: he did, the releases, being able to catch the ball.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just kind of a Puget
Speaker 1: sound thing out here that a lot of people don't
Speaker 1: get the chance just to be able to watch us.
Speaker 1: But I mean I've kind of come to a place, man,
Speaker 1: where I've accepted the fact that the best I might
Speaker 1: ever be in a people's minds is underrated. And I
Speaker 1: mean that's okay, because it seems like underrated is the
Speaker 1: most consistent thing they could say, because they can't say
Speaker 1: he's top ten or or top fifteen, because then that
Speaker 1: means he's better than underrated, and so underrated is a
Speaker 1: way to just say he's good. But we're not going
Speaker 1: to acknowledge him as a player that we probably should.
Speaker 1: Stat's wise, So we're just gonna continue to keep it underrated, right.
Speaker 1: But it's frustrating because it was frustrating for me when
Speaker 1: Doe was there. That's what it was. Thankful Doug at
Speaker 1: least made the Pro Bowl and and and got people
Speaker 1: to see it at least one time, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, they should have saw it his old career,
Speaker 1: but they at least got to acknowledge his greatness for
Speaker 1: that year. But I don't know, man, are you excited
Speaker 1: to come back this week because they need they needed
Speaker 1: you last week? You know, obviously you wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: out there with your shirt off. No, I'm not gonna say.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say, you know, builing like everybody else.
Speaker 1: But it has just been a difficuld of shirt off.
Speaker 1: You know experience I told, I told the receivers, I
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna go out there until it was time to
Speaker 1: catch punts. Well, I would have been out there no
Speaker 1: shirt compressions, just like, oh man, but no, man, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie. Man. It's it's hard just being able
Speaker 1: to watch the game. Like you know, when I knew
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna be able to play, I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be tough just watching the game. Especially I
Speaker 1: went to Case State. It would have been like a
Speaker 1: home game for me, you know what I mean. All
Speaker 1: the Case State fans was there, my dad played with
Speaker 1: the Chiefs. It was a game that I was really
Speaker 1: looking forward to. And then, you know, for for something
Speaker 1: like that to happen, I was like super frustrated, but
Speaker 1: at the same time, like I said, man, it was
Speaker 1: one of those blessings in the skies to where I
Speaker 1: felt like I get a week off, I get my
Speaker 1: mindset right, and you know when we talk about this
Speaker 1: underrating and stuff too, it's like I get a chance
Speaker 1: to go to another place in my career because I
Speaker 1: never had surgery and had to come back and play.
Speaker 1: So now it's like I get to tap into that
Speaker 1: new mindset, that new hunger, that new you know, motivation,
Speaker 1: especially with these two games left and then there's no
Speaker 1: telling what can happen. It's like, all right, like remember
Speaker 1: why you grind it? Remember you know what it was
Speaker 1: like when you were training for camping in the off season,
Speaker 1: just to be able to get right. It was like,
Speaker 1: that's what that week was for me. It was super frustrating.
Speaker 1: I couldn't rest mentally out going through it, just because
Speaker 1: I was like, it's now or never, right, Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: you got me chills, like motivating, Let's go get because
Speaker 1: anything cared happened these last two weeks, you gotta happen though.
Speaker 1: You gotta have last two. No, you're right, and you
Speaker 1: you as a leader, you know, I mean they missed
Speaker 1: you more than your production, your leadership. I mean, I
Speaker 1: remember when you didn't say nothing. Well, you always got
Speaker 1: your spoken word and your yeah yeah, your great advice,
Speaker 1: but you know you weren't speaking as much. But now
Speaker 1: you're you're obviously a leader and the captain of this team. Uh,
Speaker 1: you were live tweeting during the game. You know, that
Speaker 1: had to be totally different. I had to watch what
Speaker 1: I said because I didn't want to get fine. I
Speaker 1: told himself I might have to retire and then say
Speaker 1: what I want to say, and they come back next week.
Speaker 1: It was so bad man like then, you know. But
Speaker 1: it's like we see that as players too, even when
Speaker 1: we're done playing. We see the stuff that fans could
Speaker 1: say are just people in general, and they could get frustrated.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's just like, man, if
Speaker 1: they was in that position, they probably do the same
Speaker 1: thing or probably couldn't even do it at all. You know,
Speaker 1: people get mad at me for catching the ball and
Speaker 1: I get what I could get it fall and it's
Speaker 1: like they think that's all that I do. And it's like,
Speaker 1: all right, well, why don't you have people like Fred
Speaker 1: Warner and Bobby Wagener punching the ball out two and
Speaker 1: seven to see what you do? Know you ain't all
Speaker 1: you own? The people no explanation, like that's why I'm
Speaker 1: sitting there listening to people talk, and it's like there's
Speaker 1: no winning with y'all. The man the man is it's
Speaker 1: it got a hundred and fifty yards. You don't want
Speaker 1: him to get an extra yard. But then if you
Speaker 1: get injured the out for two games. Then you're like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you just get down? Like you're never gonna
Speaker 1: please say I'm get injured. They mad you get down
Speaker 1: and get what you can get. They mad, you know
Speaker 1: what your pockets and field, your teammates is happy. How
Speaker 1: all you can worry about? Man. I heard this pastors
Speaker 1: say this. My mom had me listen to it a
Speaker 1: long time ago. He said, whether you change your dream,
Speaker 1: people gonna talk, and if you don't change your dream,
Speaker 1: people gonna talk. So the one thing that you do
Speaker 1: know is whatever you choose to do, people still gonna talk.
Speaker 1: People gonna talk. They're gonna criticize. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I ain't. I ain't the most religious man, but they
Speaker 1: say they criticize Jesus. They can criticize Jesus knowing God
Speaker 1: ain't nobody got a chance. Man. At the end of
Speaker 1: the day, bro, what I've learned is this game is
Speaker 1: about durability because even like me missing this game versus
Speaker 1: chiefs like, people don't understand that's that's the next man
Speaker 1: of mentality. And when people step up and people start bawling,
Speaker 1: then it starts to bring in curiosity, like oh, do
Speaker 1: we really need him anymore? Like do we want to
Speaker 1: pay him this month? Like, people don't understand the business
Speaker 1: side of it, you know. So even when I got
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be able to like step in and
Speaker 1: get more targets and stuff, it was unfortunate because that's
Speaker 1: when Doug was kind of dealing with his injuries and stuff.
Speaker 1: But people don't understand that next man of mentality. And
Speaker 1: that's how a lot of people get opportunities, and you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't pray on people's downfall, but it's like, you
Speaker 1: don't really get opportunities unless you know something happens and
Speaker 1: then you step in and play. And that's the unfortunate
Speaker 1: part about football because you want everybody to win because
Speaker 1: there's enough success and love and and all that stuff
Speaker 1: to go around, no question. And speaking of bowling, obviously
Speaker 1: you had Russ last year and Gino came in and
Speaker 1: everybody had the conversation like, what is you know gonna be?
Speaker 1: Has been a backup for a while, he has been
Speaker 1: struggling and he come out there striking. You know what's striking?
Speaker 1: You get a Pro Bowl year? How happy are you
Speaker 1: for him? Man? I'm real happy for Geno, man, Like
Speaker 1: just to be able to see how far he's come.
Speaker 1: Like his story, like everybody's story in the NFL isn't
Speaker 1: the same. And when you kind of sit down and
Speaker 1: you talk to people, it kind of just reminds you,
Speaker 1: like the mentality that you gotta be able to have
Speaker 1: to keep fighting because not everybody gets to come into
Speaker 1: the league their first year and be able to beat
Speaker 1: everything that they was in college. And so sometimes you
Speaker 1: gotta be able to be patient, you gotta wait your turn,
Speaker 1: like we said, the next man up mentality, and just
Speaker 1: for him to just continue working, continue grinding, like staying
Speaker 1: in it because he's been out of it for so long, bro,
Speaker 1: So just to mentally still be able to stay in
Speaker 1: it and mentally still be able to like do that
Speaker 1: work in the off season as if he was preparing
Speaker 1: to be able to play. Like I think that's the
Speaker 1: stuff that goes past people's mindsets because they don't understand, like,
Speaker 1: what six seven years he didn't really have a chance
Speaker 1: to play. Imagine chasing a dream for six seven years
Speaker 1: and you had to wait till year, year ten or
Speaker 1: eleven just to be able to finally get your shot.
Speaker 1: And once he got that opportunity, bro, like you could
Speaker 1: tell he was ready, like you could tell like he
Speaker 1: wanted it. And I'm just really happy that, like the
Speaker 1: world is starting to notice like who he is as
Speaker 1: a person, the type of quarterback he was. But I
Speaker 1: mean I've seen him when he was playing Call of Duty.
Speaker 1: I love you. You saw the greatness of the Call
Speaker 1: of Duty game. Man, I knew I even had to
Speaker 1: be on my stuff and he's gonna say, where's my team?
Speaker 1: Where's my team? I had no choice but to come
Speaker 1: to right right right? So how different is that? Because
Speaker 1: I'm not sure Russ plays video games, but it got
Speaker 1: to be different. I mean, I've never played video games
Speaker 1: my quarterback, but that had to build. I mean I
Speaker 1: heard Patrick my homes talk about it, you know, I
Speaker 1: heard um Juju Smith Schuster. The relationship kind of got
Speaker 1: built over Call of Duty and things like that. Like
Speaker 1: does that does that help on the field production? Uh? Well,
Speaker 1: I think I think everything goes hand in hand. I think,
Speaker 1: like you know, even when Russ was here, I think
Speaker 1: the thing that helped me out too was like when
Speaker 1: you get to know people outside the field, you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of get to hang with people outside and
Speaker 1: kind of see what their interests are and stuff. Like that,
Speaker 1: and you find similarities like just conversations even with me
Speaker 1: and you like you start learning how people think. And
Speaker 1: it's weird how like that translates to the field because
Speaker 1: sometimes it's like I could have seen Russ running around
Speaker 1: and I've seen him turn before he ever even turned,
Speaker 1: and then I'm able to just get you know, get
Speaker 1: out of my route and try to go get open.
Speaker 1: And so I think it's similar like with Gino, Like
Speaker 1: you know, we we started talking more and more off
Speaker 1: the field, like when we started playing the game a lot,
Speaker 1: And when you play the game a lot, it's like
Speaker 1: you learn different strategies, you learn different techniques like do
Speaker 1: you want to be aggressive? What type of team do
Speaker 1: we have? Like we can't be as an aggressive, you know.
Speaker 1: And so there's so many things that you learn, like
Speaker 1: alone the way when you you gotta learn how to
Speaker 1: play with different teammates and stuff like that. Some people
Speaker 1: want to be the captain and Gino's like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: the captain, Like I'm the quarterback, y'all listen to me,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's really interesting. But the biggest thing
Speaker 1: is like we gotta be able to learn how to
Speaker 1: be all in and so I think you learn how
Speaker 1: to do that, you know, with whoever is your quarterback,
Speaker 1: once you learn who they are outside the field, and
Speaker 1: everything internally starts to be able to click. Well, earlier
Speaker 1: this year, you said, it's amazing what you can accomplish
Speaker 1: with nobody of kids who gets the credit. They're talking
Speaker 1: about the selflessness of the team and sacrifice, Like do
Speaker 1: you think that mindset? And where did that come from?
Speaker 1: What does that? You know what I mean, where where
Speaker 1: did that come from? In your mind? Um? And has
Speaker 1: that healthy team a lot this year? Man? It it
Speaker 1: came so when we was playing basketball in high school,
Speaker 1: our our coach Sha Sills used to always say it,
Speaker 1: used to come up with a quote, and we all
Speaker 1: used to be like this, dude, can't stop giving quotes.
Speaker 1: But it was like you never know when you're gonna
Speaker 1: need it, you know. And like for me, when you
Speaker 1: come to the league, it's not like college because college
Speaker 1: is more like a team thing, like his team oriented.
Speaker 1: But you get to the league and it's like they
Speaker 1: teach you how to be a business like sole proprietorship,
Speaker 1: Like it's all about you gotta look out for yourself.
Speaker 1: And I think like with that mentality, is hard to
Speaker 1: kind of like get a group of guys together to
Speaker 1: be a team. And so I think for me, like
Speaker 1: just being able to still have that same approach of like, Okay,
Speaker 1: stats doesn't matter as much as people say stats matter,
Speaker 1: but then it's like, but stats is what gets you paid,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So you gotta be able
Speaker 1: to find that balance. And so for me it kind
Speaker 1: of helps me like stay steadfast, like I'm balanced in
Speaker 1: my approach because it's like I don't want to get
Speaker 1: too selfish to where it's all about me, because that receiver,
Speaker 1: the only way that you shine is if you get
Speaker 1: the ball, you know what I mean. Like they don't
Speaker 1: really talk about you making blocks like that or you
Speaker 1: being able to run arounds to get other people open,
Speaker 1: but those are other aspects of the game that help
Speaker 1: you and that help your team. So I think for me,
Speaker 1: like when we talk about like it's amazing what we
Speaker 1: can accomplish when no one cares who gets the credit.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it sounds cliche, but I think
Speaker 1: of y'all as a defense. I used to kind of
Speaker 1: define it by that a little bit. Um when y'all
Speaker 1: had ll ob out there, it was like it didn't
Speaker 1: matter who got the pick. Like, you know, if it
Speaker 1: was Bobby, y'all was over there happy and celebrating. If
Speaker 1: it was Early, y'all were celebrating. If Cam had a hit,
Speaker 1: it was like y'all were celebrating as if it was
Speaker 1: you making the play. And so it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's something that I was trying to learn how to
Speaker 1: be able to do as an offense. And so, you know,
Speaker 1: I think early on in the season, I think it's
Speaker 1: helped us out a lot because you know, we got
Speaker 1: such a young team too, so we have that team
Speaker 1: oriented feel and we don't have to get caught up
Speaker 1: in I need to get my yards, I need to
Speaker 1: get these touchdowns, I need to get these throws. It's
Speaker 1: like we could kind of just go out there and
Speaker 1: play and kind of like symbolic what it's like to
Speaker 1: be able to play in high school in college. Again,
Speaker 1: it's been really cool to watch the evolution, you know,
Speaker 1: because the beginning of the year there was so much
Speaker 1: like turmoil and controversy, you know, and and division, especially
Speaker 1: when you talk about the Pete and Russ you know,
Speaker 1: I mean even before the year before, before everything happened,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, they were talking about firing Pete
Speaker 1: and what they're gonna do with Russ and then you
Speaker 1: know the trade happened. Then you got well, Pete, Pete's
Speaker 1: gonna be lost. How how has that affected your mindset
Speaker 1: in terms of like like leading the team, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Because you knew it was gonna be
Speaker 1: a lot on his plate. He had to be different
Speaker 1: this year a little bit. You know. I know, Pete,
Speaker 1: it's total regiment and and straight, like I'm gonna stay
Speaker 1: same jokes, I'm gonna tell the same stories. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: talk about the psychology of the game, but that he
Speaker 1: had to feel it a little bit. You can tell
Speaker 1: a little bit in his press conferences that he kind
Speaker 1: of like felt the relief and felt you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like he was he was jabbing back a
Speaker 1: little bit more this year that I think he's ever
Speaker 1: app Have you seen a difference to him, Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I have seen a difference in Pete. I
Speaker 1: would I would say, like to start it off, I
Speaker 1: think it was it was hard being able to lose Rus,
Speaker 1: Like that's the first quarterback I was able to play
Speaker 1: with for for seven straight years. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and you just get used to knowing like, Okay, he's
Speaker 1: gonna lead the team, like you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: I just gotta be able to follow suit, like I
Speaker 1: just gotta do my part, like whatever you need me
Speaker 1: to do, like I got you like. So it's like
Speaker 1: for seven years, I was able to grow little by
Speaker 1: little each year into being able to have a different position,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, you know, then we
Speaker 1: let Bobby go as well, and it's like we are
Speaker 1: two main leaders who we depend on, who we rely on,
Speaker 1: who we listened to, who can kind of steer the
Speaker 1: ship because they've been here like almost throughout a decade.
Speaker 1: It was able to help us, you know, like me
Speaker 1: Al Wood, Quandre Digs, Jamal Adams like and many more
Speaker 1: players like even Gabe Jackson. But now that we lost them,
Speaker 1: it's like we've all had to be able to step
Speaker 1: up in our own way to where we don't want
Speaker 1: one person to just steer the ship. And so I
Speaker 1: think Pete has done a great job and just being
Speaker 1: able to allow us to to explore other options, like
Speaker 1: you know, we've always had three captains, but now he
Speaker 1: made it to where like, okay, we can have four
Speaker 1: now maybe we can have five or more because you
Speaker 1: never know what a title brings and how other people
Speaker 1: can be able to step up in that position to
Speaker 1: like help us be successful. But sometimes when you when
Speaker 1: we only have we would have three, like I wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to speak up, like Quandre wouldn't want to speak up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because we don't want to
Speaker 1: overstep anybody's toes. But now, like since we lost our
Speaker 1: two best leaders, we kind of created this this thing
Speaker 1: that works for us where it's like, man, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if you player, if you don't play, like if
Speaker 1: you see something, speak up, like because we got to
Speaker 1: be able to keep each other accountable because we lost
Speaker 1: like the two best players that help us stay accountable,
Speaker 1: no question, no question. You see something to say something,
Speaker 1: But tell me about how how Russ's leadership had helped
Speaker 1: you grow and and the things you learned from him
Speaker 1: and the things you learned from Bobby. You know, those
Speaker 1: are two great players for a long time, and then
Speaker 1: they have to rub off of you. Oh yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I mean you almost had no choice for everything to
Speaker 1: rub off on you. Like it's like when you're in
Speaker 1: the room full of wise people, like you're gonna come
Speaker 1: out and you're gonna remember a whole bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: in that conversation. That may be different when you know
Speaker 1: you're around people that that don't know how that much
Speaker 1: acknowledges them. So I was just sitting there being able
Speaker 1: to talk to Bobby, like to start off with him,
Speaker 1: like man, you know we're talking about how you and
Speaker 1: him branched off and became your own agent, you know,
Speaker 1: being able to learn like different segments like that, like
Speaker 1: being able to learn from Bobby about some of the
Speaker 1: um the work he does outside in the unity. Um
Speaker 1: people don't understand. They think players don't never do anything,
Speaker 1: and it's like, no, we do. We just don't want
Speaker 1: the credit. You know, when you watch like how Bobby
Speaker 1: has always been a pro. He goes about his business.
Speaker 1: He doesn't say much, but he doesn't have to because
Speaker 1: when he when he speaks, everybody listens, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's like it's really cool to be able
Speaker 1: to see and and I mean you you also see
Speaker 1: it like um, when he's over there with the rams,
Speaker 1: like how everybody's talking about him and stuff. It's like, well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's how he always been. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, he's always been that person how to look
Speaker 1: out for you, and I needed to talk to him
Speaker 1: like in and he sat outside with me and talk
Speaker 1: to me like you know, and it's weird talking to
Speaker 1: a grown man, bro, Like don't give me wrong, Like
Speaker 1: you don't never want to tell people what's going on
Speaker 1: with your life. But it was like he was able
Speaker 1: to sit there and talk to me. And I mean,
Speaker 1: and it's the same with Russ to like the things
Speaker 1: that I've learned from Russ, like his approach to the game,
Speaker 1: like he wants to be great, Like he wants to
Speaker 1: be the best honestly, bro, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 1: seen a time when he came into the building and
Speaker 1: he wasn't ready to work, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And so sometimes when you have people at that mindset
Speaker 1: that's like I'm gonna do whatever it takes, regardless of
Speaker 1: what it is that I gotta do. You want to
Speaker 1: be able to attach yourself to that, and you want
Speaker 1: to be able to say, look, bro, it don't matter.
Speaker 1: So for me, it's like it don't matter if it's
Speaker 1: cold outside, it don't matter if it's snowing. This is
Speaker 1: my job. Like I can't make any excuses. So it's
Speaker 1: like the things that I learned from Russ is like,
Speaker 1: there's no excuses to what it is that you're trying
Speaker 1: to accomplish in this life, Like either you're gonna do
Speaker 1: it or you're not gonna do it. And so just
Speaker 1: to be able to see his approach, to be able
Speaker 1: to see how he would he would take the leading things.
Speaker 1: And that's the biggest thing I've learned as a captain
Speaker 1: is um penny Hart said that he was like, it's
Speaker 1: hard to be a captain and be a friend. And
Speaker 1: you know, when you're a captain, there's gonna be some
Speaker 1: words that have to be said. You're gonna have to
Speaker 1: call people out, You're gonna have to keep people accountable.
Speaker 1: And that's the stuff that we don't like because you know,
Speaker 1: relationships going this league. But when you're a captain, like
Speaker 1: you on that thin line of like all right, let
Speaker 1: me let me learn how to speak to people. I
Speaker 1: gotta learn how to meet people where there I can't
Speaker 1: talk to everybody the same. You gotta be able to
Speaker 1: know and so those are the things that I've kind
Speaker 1: of learned, bro. And and it's interesting because you even
Speaker 1: take that approach with the coaches. It's not just the players,
Speaker 1: but you got to know how to talk to the coaches.
Speaker 1: You gotta understand how to talk to the players. And
Speaker 1: that stuff helps you a long way. Even when you're married. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's hard to it's hard to keep
Speaker 1: a girl happy. But just just just do your part. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do your part. Look, look understand. And that's a huge
Speaker 1: part of the leadership in general, leading the football team
Speaker 1: and being a leader and being uh having guy's look
Speaker 1: at it. It's not about pleasing everybody. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: about having respect and love for everybody and understanding, Hey, hey,
Speaker 1: I need more from you and you ain't got an
Speaker 1: m F nobody to get more from Hey. There's a
Speaker 1: way I can talk to you to say, hey, you
Speaker 1: gotta be better than this, and I know you are
Speaker 1: better than this than to say you suck man, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? No, it ain't that. Ain't that ain't
Speaker 1: gonna get you the results you're looking for. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: come up to you, Hey, brother, let's let's work. Let's work.
Speaker 1: Let's do Hey, what can we do to improve this?
Speaker 1: Like I know you better than this, We know you
Speaker 1: better than what's going on, so that we can get
Speaker 1: you to play how you used to play and how
Speaker 1: we know you can play. And I think that's something
Speaker 1: I learned, I mean throughout my time in Seattle, in
Speaker 1: my time in San Francisco. You know, when they were
Speaker 1: just looking at me like an old man. Um is
Speaker 1: that it ain't about being being liked by everybody. It's
Speaker 1: it's it's when everybody knows that we're working towards the
Speaker 1: same thing, and we're working in the same direction, that
Speaker 1: your every action is working towards that, then there's nothing
Speaker 1: but respect there. And it's not nobody's gonna be upset
Speaker 1: with that. If winning is their goal, if winning a
Speaker 1: championship in the Super Bowl is their goal, then they'll
Speaker 1: never get upset because every they'll know that every action
Speaker 1: that you're doing, every every movement, every thought that you're
Speaker 1: processing is moving us in that direction. Hey, yes, sir, Yes, sir.
Speaker 1: And that's why Bobby, I'm sure Bobby ain't what didn't
Speaker 1: feel uncomfortable at all in that conversation, Like that's that's
Speaker 1: that's what we lose in the black community, subtized, like
Speaker 1: we feel like we can't talk to each other as
Speaker 1: grown man and and talk about our issues, talk about
Speaker 1: our problems, talk about it, you know, what's going on,
Speaker 1: and help each other. You can, Yeah, you can. I
Speaker 1: mean my thing is you can. But like the way
Speaker 1: society is, bro, they they want you to be vulnerable,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as you're vulnerable, they that's when
Speaker 1: they tear you down. Yeah. But but you know, a
Speaker 1: locker roommate ain't really a society. Not in the locker room. Bro,
Speaker 1: you can be as vulnerable as needed. Because that's the thing, bro,
Speaker 1: Like these are not only your teammates, but like these
Speaker 1: are your brothers. And like this is why businesses try
Speaker 1: to be able to like emulate what we do on
Speaker 1: the football field and what we do within you know,
Speaker 1: our team, because it's like, how do you all come
Speaker 1: to play every single day? Well, I mean some people
Speaker 1: want to play for money, some people play for their
Speaker 1: faith in God, some people play for their family, some
Speaker 1: people play for them. But you gotta be able to
Speaker 1: like talk to everybody because not everybody's gonna come in
Speaker 1: all the time just ready to go. There's only a
Speaker 1: few people that's like that, and so some people gonna
Speaker 1: be down. They're not gonna feel like practicing and you
Speaker 1: gotta go talk to him and be like, hey, bro,
Speaker 1: like whatever you need, I'm right here with you. And
Speaker 1: even when I started going through it, I gotta be
Speaker 1: able to have people that say, hey, I'm right there
Speaker 1: with you. And so like, for me, the biggest thing
Speaker 1: I've learned throughout my life SHIRM is just you know,
Speaker 1: relate to people, you know what I mean. Like, so
Speaker 1: when I talk to people and they say, man, I
Speaker 1: I struggle with this and I do this, and I'm
Speaker 1: like right there with you, and then I start telling
Speaker 1: them stories and they'd be like whoa, I'm like, don't
Speaker 1: repeat that. Yeah, like like only use it if you
Speaker 1: got to help somebody or something, but but just no,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, if it does come out,
Speaker 1: like at the end of day, I struggled, just like
Speaker 1: you struggle, but we all in this together. Like, And
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thing I told people. And they asked me, like,
Speaker 1: who is your best teammate? I always say you, But
Speaker 1: it's just like but it's because like it amazed me
Speaker 1: how you would always stay out there with people even
Speaker 1: if you knew they might not make the team. And
Speaker 1: it was just the fact that I'm like you just
Speaker 1: sitting there and teaching them and teaching them, and you know,
Speaker 1: you would think like, oh, like, okay, if it was
Speaker 1: somebody like a Tarik Wool and he's having an amazing year,
Speaker 1: that you would teach somebody like him because you see
Speaker 1: how great that he can be, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: Like I helped him because of that. But it was like, no,
Speaker 1: it didn't matter who it was, like, if they were good,
Speaker 1: if they weren't as good, if they belonged in the
Speaker 1: league or not, Like you took out the time to listen.
Speaker 1: You took out the time to help him. And when
Speaker 1: they asked me, like, what was some of the best
Speaker 1: advice you got, I told him one was from my dad,
Speaker 1: who talked about, like, you're gonna see a lot of
Speaker 1: people out there that's great at what they do, but
Speaker 1: just remember they drafted you because they already liked what
Speaker 1: you do and what you bring to the table. So
Speaker 1: never changed that. And then the one that I would
Speaker 1: tell him that you told me was that you're gonna
Speaker 1: lose a lot in practice, but you're gonna win a
Speaker 1: lot in the games. And I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: that was because of the defense we were going against
Speaker 1: for sure, but you said that, you talked about how
Speaker 1: the games were gonna be a lot easier in practice.
Speaker 1: And when I learned that approach, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: like my rookie year, I'm like, bro, this is way
Speaker 1: easier than I expected. But you had to be able
Speaker 1: to understand that, Okay, you might lose your going against
Speaker 1: like the best safety in the world, the best corner
Speaker 1: in the world, the best strong safety in the world.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying is so if you can
Speaker 1: figure out how to compete with these guys every day,
Speaker 1: if you could try to figure out how to beat
Speaker 1: them every single day, I want to get you all
Speaker 1: the time on the right side. And if I beat
Speaker 1: you one play, I couldn't do that same route for
Speaker 1: like five weeks because you were you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: So it just taught me how to be able to
Speaker 1: like be a better player, and it taught me how
Speaker 1: to be able to go into that different mentality looking
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Speaker 1: tell people bro like they don't understand like a lot
Speaker 1: of it is. Yeah, you look, you learn from people,
Speaker 1: but you know, there was also a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: that I didn't do that I always did in college.
Speaker 1: But it's about scheme, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 1: they don't understand. Like there's some offensive coordinators where when
Speaker 1: you're you, you gotta adapt your game. To me, that's
Speaker 1: the biggest way of how you stay in the league.
Speaker 1: And so it's like you get one coordinator and they're
Speaker 1: like a man, one move and go. I can't sit
Speaker 1: at the line, or they'd be like, once you make
Speaker 1: your move, they'd be like, get out your break, don't
Speaker 1: do nothing at the top, just speak cut it and
Speaker 1: the ball gotta be there. And so it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: through the course of me having bevel, through the course
Speaker 1: of me having shoddy, like I've learned how to be
Speaker 1: able to adapt my game to where I got better
Speaker 1: in some of the areas that I never even knew
Speaker 1: I needed to work on. Now. When Shane came in,
Speaker 1: he like, hey man, you can freak it a little bit,
Speaker 1: like you can do this and this, And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: how you speaking my language. So it's like you gotta
Speaker 1: learn how to be able to adapt in the league
Speaker 1: because that's what ultimately helps keep you here as well. Right,
Speaker 1: and and speaking of you, brought Reek up. What a
Speaker 1: year he having. I mean, think about how far he's
Speaker 1: come from from training camp and you know, real raw
Speaker 1: dude and a pro bowler in his rookie year leading
Speaker 1: the league and picks like, tell me about him and
Speaker 1: what you've seen from him throughout the year. Bro, him
Speaker 1: and d K I it just don't make any sense. Bro,
Speaker 1: this this these are people we created on Maddens speed
Speaker 1: like jumping. Like when I seen when I seen DK
Speaker 1: and Re goo at it in camp and I was
Speaker 1: just like, Bro, like DK fast too, you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm seeing a Ree like side by side and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, like just throughout camp and
Speaker 1: going into the season, I'm like, Bro, I'm like, if
Speaker 1: this dude understands like his ability, I'm like, he could
Speaker 1: sit on whatever around he want to sit on, because
Speaker 1: it don't I'm like, in the league, bro, quarterbacks is
Speaker 1: on point. They're gonna throw the ball, keep you on stride.
Speaker 1: All that. When I saw with my homes through that
Speaker 1: post and Riek was like four yards behind dude and
Speaker 1: came back and almost picked it. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: at this point, bro, just leave alone. At this point, Bro,
Speaker 1: it's like, as long as he just stays the course.
Speaker 1: There's some things, Bro, within technique we can't get away
Speaker 1: with his players, but like he could lose certain things
Speaker 1: and technique and still win. And so if he can
Speaker 1: continue to get that technique. On that play, his footwork
Speaker 1: at the line was terrible. He was beat so bad
Speaker 1: he started pointing at the safety. He realized the safety
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna be there. It was like I just gotta
Speaker 1: run and almost booked it. Like this is his rookie years.
Speaker 1: The biggest leap you take as a players from your
Speaker 1: rookie to your second year because because then you're going
Speaker 1: into your second year, like your confidence is through the roof.
Speaker 1: Like I'm practicing with a whole different mentality, because it's
Speaker 1: not like I'm trying to figure out if I be
Speaker 1: long or not. I'm trying to figure out if I
Speaker 1: can do it. I know I can do it, Like
Speaker 1: I know I'm the dude. Now I'm just I'm sharpening
Speaker 1: the knife. Like now I'm not trying to find a knife.
Speaker 1: I'm sharpened and like y'all know, it's sharp, like let
Speaker 1: me know. And that's what's been so cool to see
Speaker 1: with him. And this week y'all got I mean, between
Speaker 1: him and Sauce for rookie of the deepest rookie of
Speaker 1: the year. And and you gotta you gotta deal with
Speaker 1: the Jets and young DJ Reid sa my dog, your dog, DJ.
Speaker 1: What you what you're seeing from them? Many they're doing
Speaker 1: the same thing. Man, they bawling. I mean we you know,
Speaker 1: I've seen what it was like to already be with
Speaker 1: DJ on the team, Like dude as a dog. You know,
Speaker 1: he don't get the respect that he deserves as well,
Speaker 1: Like I felt like he had a chance to be
Speaker 1: able to go on the Pro Bowl. Um had a
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl like season, but he just real sticky man,
Speaker 1: like you know, I always say, like him and Trey
Speaker 1: Brown remind me of a nat They just all in
Speaker 1: the way, you know, but you gotta be able to
Speaker 1: learn how to play maneuver around that. I feel like
Speaker 1: he's done everything and more that the Jets even wanted
Speaker 1: him to do. Like you look at Sauce, like Sauce
Speaker 1: and a man Bro as a first round pick, and
Speaker 1: he is not disappointed. You know, he's lived up to
Speaker 1: that first round hype and probably even outplayed the first
Speaker 1: round hype. And that's something that's really really hard to
Speaker 1: be able to do. You know, you're talking about Sauce
Speaker 1: and Reek having a chance to be all pro, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and what's what's scary, bro, is they're still learning, right,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, Like when you're in
Speaker 1: the league, it's like you're learning each and every year,
Speaker 1: but at some point you're like, all right, ability kind
Speaker 1: of starts to outweigh you know, everything else. But it's like, Bro,
Speaker 1: these dudes are in year one and they're learning. If
Speaker 1: they continue to learn the pace that they're going, like, Bro,
Speaker 1: they have a chance to be like one of the
Speaker 1: best at the game of football has ever seen. They're
Speaker 1: learning there, They're they're growing, and the moment isn't too
Speaker 1: big for him. At corner. It's hard. It's hard to
Speaker 1: play sixteen games in the league at corner as a vet.
Speaker 1: You know, as a rookie, you kind of like you
Speaker 1: kind of like they're gonna throw at me a lot.
Speaker 1: I don't know, this Dude's technique. I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get like, and these dudes are just embracing
Speaker 1: the moment, living in it, thriving in it. It's cool
Speaker 1: to see. I mean one of them, I mean they
Speaker 1: both might make the All Protein first or second team,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I mean, it's it's a
Speaker 1: crazy year for them too. You got any questions for me? No?
Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, Man, if I would
Speaker 1: have known, I was gonna have a chance to ask
Speaker 1: you questions. Um, let's see, how how how has everything
Speaker 1: been with just like you leaving football? Like you know
Speaker 1: how A lot of times people say, like you go
Speaker 1: through that that crazy, not crazy, but the depression and
Speaker 1: stuff whenever you're done playing, Like, was it easier for
Speaker 1: you because I heard you always wanted to kind of
Speaker 1: do what it is that you're doing now. Well, well,
Speaker 1: I'm crazy in general. We're all a little crazy in general.
Speaker 1: So I think the hardest thing for people when they
Speaker 1: transition is the loss of structure, Like for I don't know,
Speaker 1: thirty years, for some of us, you got structured. You know,
Speaker 1: at this time of the year, it's gonna be training care.
Speaker 1: You know, at this time of the year, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be the season. You know, I'm gonna be training in
Speaker 1: this time of the year. You, I mean from college
Speaker 1: till now. You gotta schedule, like you gotta schedule in
Speaker 1: your locker you know what time, meetings at eight, breakfast
Speaker 1: at this time, this and this and this, and when
Speaker 1: you lose that and when you show up in August
Speaker 1: of your life and you don't have a training camp
Speaker 1: and you don't have a schedule, and you don't know
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do. You might have all the money
Speaker 1: in the world in your account, but you don't have
Speaker 1: you don't feel like you have direction or purpose like
Speaker 1: I've been putting all my not just putting my eggs
Speaker 1: in one bucket. Because even if you're like I got
Speaker 1: money in real estate, I got this, I got that,
Speaker 1: I got passive income, you're not an expert at that.
Speaker 1: You're about to move out of a space that you're
Speaker 1: an expert in and go be a novice somewhere else.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the hardest part for guys, is
Speaker 1: to find purpose and to find the locker room and
Speaker 1: the mentality and everything, and so all that kind of
Speaker 1: all that weight kind of starts to follow on you
Speaker 1: at the same time, and if you don't get from
Speaker 1: under it and go find something, get stuff. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: I would say my last question would be it is so,
Speaker 1: you've been a Pro Bowler, hall of Fame, you're about
Speaker 1: to be a Hall of Famer at some point. You've
Speaker 1: been an All Pro. So outside of football, what's your
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl? What's your Hall of Fame, and what's your
Speaker 1: all pro? I think being dad, you got you got
Speaker 1: some time before before it happened, but you might want
Speaker 1: to get on it. But being a dad, bro, that's
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my hall of Fame, my all pro.
Speaker 1: Not everything, you know, being that trying to be a
Speaker 1: good husband. You know, obviously the transition there was different
Speaker 1: to the relationship kind of changes because you go from
Speaker 1: not being here a majority of the time, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. You got your time, your season, your
Speaker 1: nd season, you're out of season too, here all the time,
Speaker 1: and your wife gotta adjusted that. She should be like, hey,
Speaker 1: go somewhere, get out of here. I'm used to you
Speaker 1: not being in here all the time. So to go
Speaker 1: make yourself busy. And so that's it now, just trying
Speaker 1: to be great at my career, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: set a great example from my son and my daughter,
Speaker 1: trying to raise them right, you know, trying to coach.
Speaker 1: I'm coaching his basketball team just coming up this season
Speaker 1: in January, and and I think when you when you lose,
Speaker 1: like the drive are are are not the drive? But like, uh,
Speaker 1: I'm not consumed with football anymore, so, so I'm not
Speaker 1: obsessed with being the best of that. So now I'm
Speaker 1: obsessed with being the best dad. And not that I
Speaker 1: wasn't obsessed with being the best dad while I was playing,
Speaker 1: but it's hard to be obsessed with two things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's tough. So now I'm totally obsessed. Like I'm at
Speaker 1: every practice, at every every meet, at every meeting. I'm
Speaker 1: in everything I can be in and it it gives
Speaker 1: me purpose. It gives me so much fulfillment because I'm
Speaker 1: having fun. I get to see them grow, I can
Speaker 1: see them learn. So that's it right now, that's just
Speaker 1: being a great dad, a great father. In this job.
Speaker 1: You know, I get to talk football. I get to
Speaker 1: talk football all the time. And um, I get to
Speaker 1: see you guys and can talk to you. It brings
Speaker 1: me joy. Well, I appreciate it, man, I you know,
Speaker 1: like I said last year, I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: the more and more I got better, I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, if it was one person that I would
Speaker 1: want to be, like, oh yeah, I could see the
Speaker 1: transition because you see me from when I first came
Speaker 1: in and like you see everything that I'm doing now,
Speaker 1: and you know, like I said, regardless of anybody ever
Speaker 1: appreciates it, Like for me, I had to learn how
Speaker 1: to appreciate it myself. I wanted to go to at
Speaker 1: least one Pro Bowl receiver because I already did it
Speaker 1: as special teams. But I mean for me, it's like
Speaker 1: I'm a pro bowler in my heart, Like you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, I'm a pro bowler from my team.
Speaker 1: Like everything that I'm looking for, it taught me not
Speaker 1: to look for it and let it come find you.
Speaker 1: And so like I'm I'm learning how to appreciate all
Speaker 1: the stuff that's right there, like people say, being where
Speaker 1: your feet are, because I can always sit here and
Speaker 1: like you said, be upset about why am I not
Speaker 1: getting credit? Why this isn't it? Or I can appreciate
Speaker 1: like this my second time being Walter pay the man
Speaker 1: of the Year, you know, a second well, I don't
Speaker 1: think I can say the other one yet. The other
Speaker 1: one hadn't happen yet. Oh the Steve Largen Award, Like
Speaker 1: it's my second time I won that, so yeah. So
Speaker 1: I mean it's like learning how to be, you know,
Speaker 1: thankful for everything around you, like like you said, man,
Speaker 1: Like man, I got a fiance, I got friends from
Speaker 1: high school, from middle school that that I still talked to.
Speaker 1: I got a chance to help my family and friends.
Speaker 1: Like you know, Claypool said it a long time ago.
Speaker 1: He said he already won, you know, right way said
Speaker 1: he already won. So like for me, it's like, bro,
Speaker 1: I've already won. Everything else is just an addition. You know,
Speaker 1: when you hang up the cleats in fifty years and
Speaker 1: you and you look back on it all the cool
Speaker 1: things you did as a player, you gonna be like, man,
Speaker 1: that was pretty cool. Like I was, I was special.
Speaker 1: I was out there cooking, I did my thing. And
Speaker 1: then you're gonna start to do stuff with your kids
Speaker 1: and with your wife and with your family, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna be like, I mean, that was fun, but watching
Speaker 1: my kid do it, it's gonna be like and I'm
Speaker 1: sure your dad would tell you the same thing. It
Speaker 1: brings you a different level of like, like, man, that's
Speaker 1: like it almost feels better than when you did it
Speaker 1: because you created somebody, you worked with him. You you you,
Speaker 1: you see them through the ups and downs. You know.
Speaker 1: It's almost like the young kids you work with. I'm
Speaker 1: sure young receivers you see you work with over your
Speaker 1: career and you see him do better, and you're like
Speaker 1: and like, I remember when you was here, and now
Speaker 1: you're here when it's your son, Oh my god. I
Speaker 1: see him make baskets or I see him win a
Speaker 1: track meet, and I'll be sitting there. I'll be the
Speaker 1: first want to pick him up from the Finnish. I'll
Speaker 1: be like, hey, I don't care, and it don't even
Speaker 1: matter if you want. It matters that I've seen you
Speaker 1: get better and sometimes we win, sometimes we don't. But
Speaker 1: if we got better, I don't give a dangn what
Speaker 1: the result is. The process approach. That's the best approach, bro,
Speaker 1: because if you teach your kid it's all about winning,
Speaker 1: then you you lose sight on progression over perfection. Falling
Speaker 1: in love with the process, That's what I tell him
Speaker 1: every time. Falling up. We're gonna get in love with
Speaker 1: the process, the results will come. Like eventually we win everything,
Speaker 1: but we got to fall in love with getting better
Speaker 1: day after day, play after play, practice after practice. The
Speaker 1: results to come. If we work, it'll come. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: he's speaking like dad of the year. Man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: I can't wait till you have a kid. I'll be
Speaker 1: we bring him out there with the track with our kids. Man,
Speaker 1: I have a kid. It's on right right, he's gonna
Speaker 1: be a little scooter too. Hopefully he about six pot
Speaker 1: six five. Look, I don't know, but we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna pay on the six six five like five too
Speaker 1: five three. I appreciate you. Yeah, I ain gonna take
Speaker 1: too much more of your time. I know you got
Speaker 1: more treatment and you get better, but it's damn good
Speaker 1: to hear from you always the same man likewise appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Even asked me to be on Man, I was waiting
Speaker 1: for the call. Well, you gotta pick up you as
Speaker 1: your time, you know what I mean. I try to
Speaker 1: catch you on your hot and then it was hard.
Speaker 1: We asked around and then we caught you injured, and
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I'm glad we was able to
Speaker 1: make it work. Man, I really appreciate it. I appreciate
Speaker 1: you to know you have a great day. Brother, all right,
Speaker 1: you to love you, bro, I love you too. The
Speaker 1: volume