1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: This is the Huddle Up Podcast with JP Shadrick, Bucky Brooks, 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: and John Osher. The Huddle Up Podcast starts right now. 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: Welcome into the Huddle Up Podcast. Today is Wednesday, marcht 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 1: J P. Shadrick, John Osier, and NFL network analysts Bucky Brooks. 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: We have reaction from the NFL annual meeting in Palm Beach, 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: including Jaguars owner Shot Cohn and head coach Doug Peterson. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: And a little later, the Jaguars and made another signing 8 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: in free agency on the defensive line. That's all coming 9 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,160 Speaker 1: up in just a moment. Bucky, Good morning, afternoon, whatever 10 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: time you're listening to this podcast. How are you, man, 11 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. How you guys doing. We're hanging in. 12 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 1: John is back. He's got a nice fresh sun tan 13 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: from Palm Beach. Why I don't like the rule? You 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: don't like the overtime rum you were tweeting about that? 15 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: I heard you were you writing about that. I just 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,760 Speaker 1: hates the wrong words because it's I mean, in the 17 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: game will still get decided. But to me, I keep 18 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: going back to this and again I get that I'm 19 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: the old man. I'm becoming crotching my old age. But 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: is it not fair to think that an NFL defense 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: should have a better than of stopping an NFL offense? 22 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: Why do we assume that a defense can't keep the 23 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: opposing team out of the end zone off of a 24 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: kickoff and they can't force him not to score with 25 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: a seventy mean sn yard field. I got an email 26 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: today from somebody's haying, well, the Bills lost that playoff 27 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: game because of a coin flip, then lost because the 28 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: defense couldn't stop the g outscore him in tow and 29 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: it kept saying, everybody keeps emailing me about this. Well, 30 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Josh Allen should have had a chance against Patrick Mahomes. 31 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: It's the entire team play. And if we've gone so 32 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: far that that can't be done, then we're then the 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 1: rules favor the offense too much. Bucky, we're off and 34 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 1: running today with soapbox here. So what is your opinion? 35 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: What's next? You gotta have three possessions, got a four, 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: let's shout, let's just play another game. But well, a 37 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: stratt of offense, a stradd of offense on like, hey, 38 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: you have to do it. It's um the defenses that 39 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: are disadvantaged because typically if the team rallies back and 40 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: scores at the end of regulation, they win the coin flip. 41 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: That defense has been under sure little gas, but I 42 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,119 Speaker 1: think it does add a little entry two the post 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,919 Speaker 1: season because now and overtime when you get it, if 44 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: you score, you have to make a decision of whether 45 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: to go for two or are you going to take 46 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: the p A T and then let the other team 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: determine whether you go home or not, because more than 48 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: likely if I score as the second team, I'm gonna 49 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: go for two and I'm gonna win the game. So 50 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: I think it puts a little entries more so on 51 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: the two point conversion more so than anything else. Yeah, 52 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: or if you know, if you're not confident for some 53 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: reason on your two point player, you can tie it. 54 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: They're not gonna They're gonna go to another overtime if 55 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: you've got a time after two possessions, right, I mean, well, 56 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: with Bucky's point is if you kick, if the first 57 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: team kicks yes at seven and you have momentum, that 58 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,079 Speaker 1: second team is probably gonna go for to and try 59 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 1: to end it. Yes, So that's why the first team 60 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: should go ahead and go for two and put him 61 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: out their misery. I just I get you can't stop 62 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: the ball rolling down the hill. That it's an entirely 63 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: quarterback offensive league, and it always has been. I get it, 64 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: But I always like sling it, throw it, Yes, sling it. 65 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,559 Speaker 1: But if the rules are such that it is impossible, 66 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: because that's basically what fans are staying with this. Oh, 67 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: it's impossible for the it's impossible for one of the 68 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: other playoff games. Right, Well, then the defense make a 69 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: stop in an overtime game? Well the postseason? Am I 70 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: crazy something? I feel what team it was actually made 71 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: a stop? I just the defense is allowed to get 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: the other team off the field at some point. So 73 00:03:59,000 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: that's that an angry buck. I saw one suggestion, maybe 74 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: they should just go like soccer and do you know 75 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: fifty yard field goals as the well the kick. They've 76 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: always been in a bind on this because people making 77 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: the rules are always concerned about length. They don't want 78 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 1: a length in the game. Length in the game, length 79 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: in the game because that's when injuries happen and everybody 80 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: wants fewer plays. So here you are, you're adding plays. 81 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: So it's it's uh, I figured they would cave. I 82 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 1: didn't figure they would cave this quickly. I thought it 83 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: might take a year. But um, in this day and age, 84 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: stuff gets done quickly. I'm not sure it's always to 85 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: do maybe that the same thing, but remember when oh, 86 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: we gotta change the over, we gotta change the interference rule. 87 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: We got change the interference rule, and they did it, 88 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, it's like, after one year, 89 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: you know it. Well, all right, so it's and it's 90 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: postseason only at least to begin with how many games? 91 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Who knows what happens. Let's move forward though. Now. You 92 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 1: had an interview with Jaguar owner shot Com this week 93 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: down at the Poem Beach at the Breakers, and you 94 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: wrapped up that interview on Jaguars dot com with this, 95 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: you've seen fired up about what's going on now. And 96 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: I know you always are your positive first, and but 97 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: there I've seen something different about the way you feel 98 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: about this going forward. Yeah. You know, it's like something 99 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: you're kind of feeling in your bones. Uh. And it's 100 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: like a feeling certainly I haven't had. Okay, I think 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 1: the collective thinking and the whole the big picture. Uh. 102 00:05:33,920 --> 00:05:38,160 Speaker 1: And then the vibe, you know, the level of confidence, 103 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: the level of experience with the coaches. You know, I've 104 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: worked in environments, you know, primarily factories, offices where there 105 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: were no walls and you know you're all sitting together. Um, 106 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 1: you know, we've had the structure obviously in the performance center, 107 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: we're gonna have, you know, basically visual control you can 108 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: see who is. But I did that right after we 109 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 1: you know, uh, we got to Jacksonville where we could 110 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: to eliminate that we wanted to see, but visual control. 111 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: And you know, I love that now with coaches that 112 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: you walk in the hallway, people are standing talking, drawing 113 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 1: plays and the collaboration. Uh, you know, so early in 114 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: the season, it's really great to see. I asked you 115 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: this on a show on Monday. Oh what was your 116 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: other big takeaway from Mr conn Well, I think the 117 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: big takeaway that clearly he wanted to discuss most of 118 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: all was the collaborative nature and the vibe of the building, 119 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: which everybody who followed the jag Wars has heard about. 120 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's a good feeling. With Doug Peterson. He 121 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: talked about the professionalism of Doug Peterson. He talked a 122 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 1: lot about Doug Peterson was on the radar as I 123 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:54,839 Speaker 1: don't say throughout the Urban Meyer, but once that ended, 124 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 1: it was clear from talking to Shot that Doug was 125 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: a a strong possibility from the beginning. I don't say 126 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: he was the favorite throughout, but uh, it does feel 127 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: like it all circled back and that for Shod that 128 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: felt very logical after how he felt about Doug Peterson. 129 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: He mentioned having met him at the owners meeting before, 130 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: he had known him for a while, so the comfort 131 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 1: level there, and uh, you know, just the fact that 132 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,160 Speaker 1: he really looks at it as a uh in his words, 133 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: maybe for the first time or the most since he's 134 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: been here, the most collaborative process between everybody involved. That 135 00:07:32,960 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: certainly was his theme. Good start, bucket, sounds like right now. 136 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: The question is moving it forward, getting to the draft, 137 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: getting to the offseason program, getting to the season, that's 138 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: when we'll really find out. Yeah, I think it's a 139 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 1: really good start. And I'll say this, having known Doug 140 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 1: for a long time, having played with Doug, doing a 141 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 1: time together in Green Bay, and also having known a 142 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: lot of the mentors that he's had, UM, this is 143 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: what I would expect it to. He like um having 144 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 1: played and having played and worked under Andy Reid, a 145 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: lot of the stuff that Doug is doing are things 146 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: that were done in those walls with those teams, having 147 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 1: known both of those guys, and so I'm not surprised 148 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: that it's a collaboration where you're seeing guys have better 149 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: communication um front office, the coaching staff, coaching staff, the players, 150 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: coaches and front office members to maybe people around the 151 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 1: building that maybe on the other side of the aisle 152 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 1: um look man football as much as it is in 153 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: a tactical game, it's about relationships. It's about building bonds 154 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: where the players trust that you have their best interests 155 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: at heart, and there's an commitment and accountability that comes 156 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: along with building that. And what you're seeing is Doug 157 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: trying to build those bonds in the building. So everybody 158 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: feels good, it feels good about the direction of the program, 159 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: and I think you can sense it because that's who 160 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 1: he is naturally. But all so think that's part of 161 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: the team building process. I've said this for a long time. 162 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: Before we the Jacks can win on the field, everything 163 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: behind the scenes has to be right and connected, and 164 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 1: I feel like from the outside end that you're beginning 165 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: to see some of the connectivity that's necessary to be 166 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: a championship team, you know, to make that collaborative process 167 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: absolutely beautiful. JP. If Trevor is good, that helps, it 168 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: certainly does help, then there'll be more collaborations. Take a 169 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,679 Speaker 1: stick out. Yeah, everybody, it's uh kumbaya. Yes. And I 170 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: don't know if you, uh you heard or read the 171 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 1: story that I wrote from Doug Peterson's availability on Monday, JP. 172 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: I think you did read it, because that's my job, 173 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: because you have to um. But he talked. I thought 174 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: he moved the story forward a little bit bucky when 175 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: he talked about how much he likes how accurate Trevor 176 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: is in play action, how accurate is outside the pocket. 177 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 1: He talked a lot about Trevor's ability in the quarterback 178 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: movement game. It seems sort of logical that that's how 179 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: he we'd use Trevor. But it was the first time 180 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: that I heard Doug talk about that after really diving 181 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: into what Trevor can do well. I'm assuming he spent 182 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: a lot of time watching Trevor on film and since 183 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: February six, and uh, it sounds to me like he 184 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 1: certainly believes that movement and that element of Trevor's game 185 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 1: is gonna be a huge part of it. Is one 186 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: of those things that I think we all have seen 187 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: Trevor flash and do those things we all kind of 188 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: wanted to see a little more. That is rookie season. 189 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, some of that stuff wasn't done. But 190 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: the easiest way to help a young quarterback is to 191 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: use play action and what I'll say bootlegs or movement. 192 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: Play action where you're faking the ball one way, you're 193 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 1: coming out the back door. It allows you to not 194 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: only move the defense with deception, but you also cut 195 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,359 Speaker 1: the field and I have to make the reeds easier 196 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: for the quarterback to see clearly where the ball should go. 197 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: And annoying Doug Peterson's work with quarterback because he's been 198 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: able to get every quarterback up and running, Nick Foles, 199 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 1: Carson Wentz, even Jalen Hurst. What he has always done 200 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: a really good job of is digging deep into their 201 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,199 Speaker 1: backgrounds to see what they did really well and building 202 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: the plan from those elements. And so when we go 203 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: back and look at what Trevor did well at Clemson, 204 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: he could move, he could run, he could do a 205 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: lot of those things. When now you add that to 206 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: what are some basic concept that having you throughout the 207 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: years in the pros, the basic bootleg passing game and 208 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: all that other stuff. Yeah, it's easier to be able 209 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 1: to package where he should be able to be efficient 210 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: while steadily evolving from game manager to playmaker at the position. 211 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: Also study like the way through the deep ball and 212 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 1: the seam routes and all that kind of stuff. So 213 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,719 Speaker 1: we'll see how all that comes together once they get 214 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: out on the grass in the preseason and especially in 215 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 1: the regular season. It starts up front, though, there was 216 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: a lot of talk this week at the owners meetings 217 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: about the offensive line Cam Robinson at left tackle. Of course, 218 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: Peterson said they want to work out a long, long 219 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,479 Speaker 1: term deal there. That's the hope. Um Brandon Linder retired 220 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: in the midst of the press conference earlier this week, 221 00:12:08,960 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 1: and then the right tackle a question and Peterson asked 222 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: this week about Juwan Taylor on the right side of 223 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: the offensive line. I think he's another big reason why, 224 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: you know, you keep that offensive line, you know, intact, 225 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,560 Speaker 1: and you have you got him, Uh, you got Cam, 226 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 1: and then you have Walker Little, who is another guy 227 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,439 Speaker 1: that's gonna be able to compete at that tackle spot 228 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: and or be able to play both. So you know, 229 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: as I said earlier, it's hard to find offensive lineman 230 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: in this league. And when you have a couple of 231 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: guys on your roster like we do, you try to 232 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: keep him, you know, and you try to keep him here. 233 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: And uh, I think it's gonna be a really good battle. 234 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: I think with with with Juan, with Walker, you know, 235 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: at that position, and uh, you know, but I love 236 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: everything that that Juwan has done there. There's flashes, there's moments. 237 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: We just gotta get more out of the entire group, right, 238 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: not just one layer, but get more out of all 239 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: those guys, uh, to be able to perform at a 240 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 1: higher level. So that's obviously a huge question mark now 241 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: right tackle the battle there? What do you see playing 242 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: out Bucky'll get out your crystal ball today? And what 243 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,559 Speaker 1: do you see playing out in training camp in the offseason. Well, 244 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: a couple of things. It does sound like Dougs been 245 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: since here when he sees potential and Juan Taylor, it 246 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: also sounds like he wants competition where walk a little 247 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: has an opportunity to compete for that. Um, I think 248 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: in the perfect world, what you would like to do 249 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: if possible is to put the best five that you 250 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: have out there. You want the best buyer performers on 251 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:40,480 Speaker 1: the field, and so that's Cam Robinson. We know it's 252 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: going to be there, Brandon Shuff is going to be there, 253 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: and now you're trying to kind of reshuffle the furniture 254 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: to see if guys can get on the field. And 255 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: so does that mean that ay Juwan Taylor and walk 256 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 1: a little they can compete at tackle, But can one 257 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: of those guys move inside and play guard? Potentially? Can 258 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: you do some stuff where he do I like walk 259 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 1: a little over my other options? Um do I like 260 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: Ben Bark. They're like, like, how does the entire group look? 261 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:12,439 Speaker 1: Some of that will be experimentation, doing workouts and O 262 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: T A s. And some of that is just your 263 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: mindset and your thought press up thought process on how 264 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: do we want to attack the draft? You know, because 265 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: when that quote came out, I haven't heard that. There's 266 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: still some questions about with the Jaguars take a tackle 267 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,119 Speaker 1: at number one and that stuff, And I still wouldn't 268 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: completely rule it out of the realm of possibility. I 269 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: think what you wanna do is you've heard him talk 270 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: about Trevor Lawrence being an important piece for the team 271 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: getting up and going. You want to make sure that 272 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: you do everything to give Trevor an opportunity to play 273 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: at the high level. Mean a preface this by saying, 274 00:14:46,200 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: I hope that this is Tyler Shatley's job for next 275 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 1: three or four years at center. But I wonder if 276 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: at thirty three, I'm all in a receiver at thirty three, 277 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: but I wonder what this lender bomb can kids sitting 278 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: out there is. And I guess I'm asking Bucky along 279 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: with in a question here, do you is there a 280 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: scenario where you draft interior lineman, have Shatley start, but 281 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: then eventually have this interior alignment started center with Shatley 282 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: back to the position that he's been so good at, 283 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: which is the swing guy, the reliable guy. I suppose 284 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: that's only My guest is that's a question that we'll 285 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: talk about leading to the draft and that they won't 286 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: be able to answer until they're on the clock because 287 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 1: it will be about the players available. Yeah. Uh, I 288 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: think I think you have to understand that everybody's always 289 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:39,560 Speaker 1: influenced by what they had when they were really successful 290 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: in the pass um dog Peter said, Jason Kelsey was 291 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: one of the best centers UM that we've seen UH 292 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: in recent years. And Jason Kelsey was a guy who 293 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: was athletic enough to pool from the pivot position, which 294 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: is uncommon, and so he understands the value of having 295 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: someone who is not only just a guy that's a snapper, 296 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: but a guy that is a bit of an impact 297 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: player at the line of scrimin I would say that 298 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 1: that center UH interior guard position wide open in terms 299 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: of looking and evaluating seeing if you can upgrade. No 300 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: disrespect to UM the incumbent who's been elevated, but you're 301 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: trying to put together the best offensive line that you 302 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: can have because typically if your offensive line is a 303 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: top five office in line, your offense kind of correlates 304 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: to the way that they perform in the trenches. How 305 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because I like him a lot. 306 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: I think he's a technical marvel. I think he's a 307 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: good job because he's will trained, coming from Iowa. He 308 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: doesn't have what they call position flex. He's not a guard. 309 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: He's just a true center and he's really good at 310 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: what he does. And that's okay. If he's your starter. Yeah, 311 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: if you can start and play. Yeah, if he can 312 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: start and play, like, I don't think it's an issue. 313 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: But you know, like at this part of the process, 314 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: everyone is it's the beauty pageant, right, I want to 315 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,520 Speaker 1: make sure that they can do multiple things or whatever. 316 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:56,640 Speaker 1: But he's the best center. Um. I don't think it's close. 317 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: It's tricky though, because it's a bit of a love 318 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: hate relationship ship with him. In the scouting community. Some 319 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: people love him because he's so refined and he comes 320 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: from Iow and Iowa has a great reputation for producing 321 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 1: um office in Lineman, as evidenced by Brennan Shrip. But 322 00:17:11,640 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, some guys are like, yeah, but he's not strong, 323 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: and I worry about a big nose being on him 324 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: and wilding him back. I don't know. I think sometimes 325 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: you overthink the guy has been really good for a 326 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: long time in college. If he is available somewhere there, 327 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: which might be a bit of a surprise, if he's 328 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: there at thirty three, yeah, you have to you have 329 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: to take him. I think he's a really good pick. 330 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's come back in a moment. We'll hear 331 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: one more from Doug Peterson on his relationship with defensive 332 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 1: coordinator Mike Caldwell, what the scheme might look like, and 333 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: an addition on defense. Earlier today, this is the Huddle 334 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: Up Podcast. Welcome back to the Huddle Up Podcast. 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Let's hear one more time from Doug 343 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: Peterson at the NFL Annual Meeting, Jaguar's head coach at 344 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,360 Speaker 1: his press conference at the a f C Coaches Breakfast 345 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: earlier this week, and he discussed his relationship with defensive 346 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 1: coordinator Mike Caldwell and what this thing could look like defensively. Yeah, 347 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:30,880 Speaker 1: Mike and I go way back, Uh, you know as 348 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: as as players together. Um, I've always had a lot 349 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: of respect for him. You know, we worked together on 350 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: coach reads staff, you know, in Philadelphia. Um, you know 351 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: I also worked with Todd Bowles, and so when when Todd, 352 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 1: when Todd left, you know, he always he took Mike 353 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: with him. As I've always followed Todd and Mike kind 354 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: of their defenses weather in New York and Arizona, Tampa Bay, um, 355 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:58,159 Speaker 1: and and always felt like Mike, Mike wuld make a 356 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: really good defensive coordinator one day, you know, just giving 357 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: an opportunity. And that's that's kind of like when I 358 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: was a coordinator. Somebody had to give me an opportunity, right, 359 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,120 Speaker 1: And um, he and I gotta have a great relationship. 360 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: And uh, I'm just I'm excited to watch him, to 361 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: watch him work and called defenses and uh, you know, 362 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: go to work this year. We're gonna base it out 363 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 1: of a three four you know, Um, but it's so 364 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: multiple in nature. You know the base will be three four, 365 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: but you know, teams offenses are playing so much eleven 366 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: personnel that you're gonna be informed, you know, four down line, 367 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: you know, a four to configuration a lot, So it'll 368 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,640 Speaker 1: be multiple in nature that way. All right, So there's 369 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: a lot there. Um, guys. Obviously they have a track record, 370 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 1: a history of sorts together three four, But it's hybrid. 371 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: We've heard that a time or two. What does that? 372 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: What does that actually mean to you, Bucky that what's 373 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: this thing is actually gonna look like? It just means that, Uh, 374 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,959 Speaker 1: we'll see what they call odd fronts, meaning you'll see 375 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 1: a notice how go right over top of the center. 376 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 1: Uh as some form, you'll see like two additional guys 377 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: with their hands in the dirt. Uh. They create a 378 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: three man surface, and then you have guys that are 379 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,679 Speaker 1: moving around, um like four linebackers per se. But I 380 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: think what you talked about n being multiple. It's almost 381 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: impossible to be a guy that can just sit in 382 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 1: your base defense all the time. Because Doug Peterson talks 383 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: about a loving personnel one back, one tied in three 384 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: wide receivers. You have to have nickel personnel in the game, 385 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: which is why people consider that nickel player a starter, 386 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 1: because you have twelve starters on defense. Um, it just 387 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: means that you have to have a variety of tools 388 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: in the toolbox. You have to have personnel that can 389 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: fit a bunch of different roles. Because if Mike call 390 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: was is anything like tie Bowls, they are going to 391 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: start blitzing as soon as the other ponent gets off 392 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: the bus, and they're gonna bring They're gonna fix their 393 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: issues with pressure. They're gonna come after you. If you 394 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 1: can cover in man, they'll play man if not their 395 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: zone dog, but they are going to heat you up, 396 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 1: and they're gonna bring it from a variety of different angles, 397 00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:00,880 Speaker 1: and they can put their own us on the quarterback 398 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:03,159 Speaker 1: to figure out where the holes are and to make 399 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 1: accurate throw. And so I think that you will see 400 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 1: a lot of those characteristics come out in the scheme 401 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 1: that he puts together in Jacksmith. Yeah, I actually asked 402 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: the question because, um, are you gonna be Well, we've 403 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 1: sort of assumed that it's three four, and the entire 404 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: time I've been thinking about it, I'm like, why don't 405 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: I even care if it's the three four or four 406 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:32,120 Speaker 1: three or not? Because, as you said, it feels now 407 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: when you talk about a three four or four three 408 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: defense like you're ten years behind the times, because as 409 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: Bucky said, they just don't ever run it. When you're 410 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,399 Speaker 1: actually watching the game, do you ever think about it 411 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: being a three four or four three? It's not like Madden. 412 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: You stay up. Yeah, So it's Uh, I understand the question. 413 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 1: I asked the question because I had been getting the 414 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: question a lot from from readers, and I really didn't 415 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 1: have the exact answer that I wanted. Uh, And that 416 00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 1: was really and I was really the answer the Bucky game. 417 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: There's gonna be so many multiple fronts, there's gonna so 418 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 1: many different situations. You're in nickel. I keep using things, 419 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: but you're probably your best defense. You better have a 420 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: way to stop the run out of it. And that 421 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: better b way to had better be how you play 422 00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:19,640 Speaker 1: defense in the NFL. Buck, you said seventy plus. Now, yeah, 423 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: it's about seventy percent of time you have some kind 424 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: of nickel. And so what we have to also understand 425 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: is they are various forms of nickel defenses. So you 426 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: have your traditional nickel where you may have three corners, uh, 427 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: two safeties, um, you know, on the field. But then 428 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: you also have teams that are using three safety looks 429 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: in two corners to be able to put a bigger 430 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 1: body that might be more effective against the run kind 431 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: of at that linebacker level. Uh, some teams are using 432 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: what they call the Odds stack, where it's a three 433 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 1: man front to linebacker six dbs on the field, and 434 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: those six d b s may include three safeties to 435 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: go with three corners, so you can do a bunch 436 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 1: of different things. When they talk about multiplicity is taking 437 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:06,280 Speaker 1: what you have in the stable of your linebackers, your dbs, 438 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 1: and your d line and saying what's the most effective 439 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: unit that we can put on the field in the situation. 440 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: And that a lot of it was kind of being 441 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,679 Speaker 1: determined now in terms of looking at the tape and 442 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:20,640 Speaker 1: trying to get a projection on what they can play where. 443 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 1: Really we'll see those packages come together once they started 444 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 1: working on the grass and examining, Okay, this player does 445 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: have these skills. Yeah, we might be able to build 446 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: out some unique sub packages to put all of these 447 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: guys on the field so we can attack. I remember 448 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: last year, I think it was because of injury to Herndon, 449 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 1: but Rudy Ford was playing some nickel right, came down 450 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,760 Speaker 1: from safety. But I think that was because of personnel 451 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: and for a time, for an extended period of time 452 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: that was there. Uh, that was their best defense. That's 453 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: where they went in and they beat Buffalo like they did. Um, Yeah, 454 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 1: they really didn't have a great overall. They didn't have 455 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 1: one week said okay, well that's their best. They're gonna 456 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: throw it out because they had issues throughout. That was 457 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: done because at some point they needed to get faster 458 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: at that nickel spot, and and Ford gave him speed 459 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:15,199 Speaker 1: that they didn't have anywhere else. It's not ideal to 460 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: have that. He's had a great color corner necessarily, but 461 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: he gave them an element they needed. And as a 462 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: buck he was talking about, they looked at it and said, okay, 463 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: this is our personnel. Yeah, so and and and that's 464 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: the that's the big part of like UM defense. As 465 00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: a coordinator, you have to have enough flexibility in your 466 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: scheme to be able to account for some of the 467 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 1: deficiencies that you have. And so you talk about Rudy 468 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: Ford not being a great cover corner, but what I 469 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 1: mean He's like, Hey, let's put them on the field 470 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 1: because we need his speed, athleticism and tackling. He can't 471 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 1: necessarily cover the man, so maybe we can zone blitz them. 472 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna play We're gonna bring pressure with 473 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: five maybe six, but we're gonna play zone behind it 474 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:58,239 Speaker 1: as opposed to man demand what people want. Now, if 475 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: you go back and look at the the Rams and 476 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: the fascination that people had with Brandon Stably when he 477 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: was with the Rams, and that with the Chargers. You're 478 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 1: seeing more teams played with these lighter defenses, these hybrid safeties, 479 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 1: a bunch of nickels. They're playing off in space and 480 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: they are maybe conceding rushing yards because they want to 481 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: have more athletes on the field to defend the past. 482 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: That's kind of the way of the world. That's where 483 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: we're at right now. And so until the league comes 484 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,639 Speaker 1: full circle and people start running the football right at you, 485 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: you can get away with some of those unique smallest 486 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: fast line lineup um to kind of offset some of 487 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: the space that you you can't give up when you're 488 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: playing covered. Didn't matter anyway, j You're not allowed to 489 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: stop anybody on defense. Apparently, you know everybody gets a 490 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: chance now, right, everybody gets a trophy. I mean, everybody 491 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: gets the ball back. And I got a rule for overtime. 492 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: Doesn't score on his first possession, give another chance? How 493 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: about that? Why even have overtime? Like why not just 494 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: let the game? And then the talk like what it 495 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: is like soccer does that It doesn't really it doesn't 496 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: really matter until we get into the postseason. Anyway, half 497 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,639 Speaker 1: a win, half a loss, UH percentage points. This is 498 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: the Huddle Up Podcast. The Jaguars today signed arden Key 499 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,240 Speaker 1: a one year deal, reportedly seven million dollars. Third round 500 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: picked by the Raiders out of l s U. He 501 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: was the forty niners last year and had six and 502 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: a half sacks a season ago. Bucky, what you do 503 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: for you inside pass rusher? Unique? Unique player? Now, I 504 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: will say you have to have a plan for how 505 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,560 Speaker 1: you're going to utilize him because he's not your every 506 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: down defensive tackle. He is an up to field pass 507 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: rushing presence on the inside that you must have. Elite 508 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: defenses now have at least two pass rushers and ideally three, 509 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 1: two on the edges, one on the inside. He gives 510 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,480 Speaker 1: people problems with this quickness and length on the inside. 511 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: That said, you don't want him out there all the 512 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: time because you don't want them to run right at him. 513 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,360 Speaker 1: But he's look, he's a good player. Um, A lot 514 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 1: of it will be on Brentson Buckner, the d line coach, 515 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 1: the kind of keep him going and keep building upon 516 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,880 Speaker 1: some of the things that he started the show during 517 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 1: his time in San Francisco. He was with him in 518 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: Vegas too. I think right Buckner a couple of years ago, 519 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 1: did he compare it all the smooth buck or not? 520 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: Really different kind of player. He's a ardent key was. 521 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: He was really a light defensive end when he was 522 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: coming out of L s U. You know, And he 523 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: flashed at L s U early in his career. The 524 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: freshman sophomore year he had a big year. Final season 525 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: didn't have as much and so there was some he 526 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: didn't really know what he was going to do that 527 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: kind of hurt his stock. But he certainly has um 528 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: tremendous town premier talent. Uh. He's just in a unique 529 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: frame because he's he's a little slender um and stature 530 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 1: to be a traditional defensive tackle, but his athleticism and 531 00:27:56,359 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: quickness gives guards problems on the inside if can get 532 00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: into past or situations able to kind of put him 533 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: in there in great in great chaos as a Tasmanian deuvil. 534 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: We can't wrap this up without asking Bucky about his 535 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 1: mock Yeah, well that was next time on the agenda here. 536 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: Of course, the latest Bucky Brooks mock draft came out 537 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,639 Speaker 1: before the Ardent Key signing Aiden Hutchinson still for the 538 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: Jags at the number one for you, a Traypon Walker 539 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: out of George has made his way up to some 540 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,960 Speaker 1: other mock draft number one picks. Um does the is 541 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,679 Speaker 1: the Key signing change any of that stuff for you? 542 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: Is it a different position? Is it still aiding all 543 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 1: the way for you? Is it a tackle or do 544 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: we you know this is a day ago. I guess 545 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: when this officially came out. Yeah, now you look. I hate, 546 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: I hate to pour back the curtain on the mock drafting, 547 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: but um, the the mock draft that you guys are referencing, 548 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: that was kind of done to create conversation because I 549 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,040 Speaker 1: didn't put any quarterbacks in the first round, so by 550 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: design has a great conversation so when we had our 551 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: TV show, I could talk about the quarterbacks and quarterback 552 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: play or whatever. So that was the thinking that said 553 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: at the top of the board with the Jacks. It's 554 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: interesting because in my mind, Art and Key the gainst 555 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: the necessity of the Jacks having to take a trade 556 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: on Walker. All right. The fascination with Trayvon Walker is 557 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: he's such an explosive and unique athlete that you could 558 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,840 Speaker 1: drop him inside and create problems with his movement skills, 559 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: his explosiveness. When that is you have Art and Key 560 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: to me, it kind of allows you to settle in 561 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: and say, Okay, now we can go and get the 562 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: outside of Russian Aidan Hutchinson. We have that NASCAR package 563 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: that everyone wants where I got Josh Allen. I have 564 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: Art and Key on the inside, Hutchinson off the edge, 565 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 1: maybe one other player, and they said, now we can 566 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: go hunt. We can get in those track stances and 567 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: go get it. I think Art and Key probably continues 568 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,840 Speaker 1: to sprinkle the bread crumbs that Aidan Hutchinson might be 569 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: the likely pick for the Jaguars at the top. I'm 570 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: fascinated by this. Bucky, Um, give me the names of 571 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: the players you could still potentially see being number one. 572 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,080 Speaker 1: How long is the list? I would say four to 573 00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: two pass rushers and two offensive tackles. I would say 574 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker, uh ikey Akwanu and Evenue. Now 575 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 1: that's a long list for being a month out. Is 576 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: it not? That feel? I mean that feels I'm not 577 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: saying anything against the jag but that speaks to this draft, 578 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: doesn't it? Um No. I think for the Jacks, I 579 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: think it's the uniqueness of their situation where you're trying 580 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: to figure out, if you're the Jacks, what do you 581 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: want to place your priority on right John and I 582 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: talked about I can't remember we've ben talked about it 583 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: in the podcast where we talked about we'll be able 584 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: to read the t leaves based on what happens with 585 00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: Cam Robinson. Well, in listening to Doug Peterson talked about 586 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: Cam Robinson. He's there, so he's locked in and he's 587 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: gonna be there as your left tackle. Now the conversation 588 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: goes to right tackle, how do you feel about right 589 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: town And then you heard him wax poetic about Taylor 590 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: and walk a little and so then you're like, well, 591 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: it kind of seems like he feels good about the 592 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: offensive line. So that takes you to the D line 593 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,160 Speaker 1: and hey, how do we want to become an explosive 594 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: defense at the point of attack? We want a traditional 595 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: he us have to edge rushers to go and compliment 596 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: one another, or do we want to bring in kind 597 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: of like an energize of Bunny that can play on 598 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: the inside. When that that you signed Art and Key 599 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,200 Speaker 1: and even though it's one year. It kind of guys 600 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 1: kind of tipped their hands. So now I'm like, okay, 601 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: well they wanted to outside that. So I just think 602 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: it's the conversations and as they continue to evolve as 603 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: a team, it'll get begin to like point to us 604 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: where it's gonna be a blinking light like okay, this guys, 605 00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: let me go. I apologize, Bucky. I haven't seen the 606 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 1: mock draft yet. You don't need, no need, no need? 607 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 1: Well I can, I can. I can give you the 608 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: top the top three wall pass rush. So it was 609 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: eight Hutchinson going, Trayvon Walking going to Detroit, Cavan, Tippo 610 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: Though going to Houston, and in Saults Gardner going to 611 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: the New York jests at I assume you didn't do 612 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,600 Speaker 1: a second round. If you were doing a second round, 613 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: who's thirty three if you get the other two? So 614 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: it should be an easy pick, right, Uh, could be 615 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: an easy pick where like you know, I didn't take 616 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: a quarterback there, so that changes. I think here's the thing. 617 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: One of those wide receivers will be available for the 618 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 1: jagu and what the Jaguars have to determine do they 619 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 1: want to kid like a Christian Watson from North Dakota State, 620 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: a six five pound speed stor um who's a vertical 621 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: threat much like the guy that left in d J chart. 622 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: Or do they want um kind of a road and 623 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: runner type and sky more that sky with two wise 624 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 1: um that can catch balls and make plays and do 625 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: maybe some Tyree killer ish type stuff. You know, the 626 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,040 Speaker 1: those guys will be a vert Then we talked earlier 627 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: about a is Tyler Linden bamb going to be in 628 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 1: the mix? And do guys want to move up with 629 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: the Jags and the Jaguars ball out because now they're 630 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: looking for quarterbacks that may fall out like a dozen 631 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: Ritter or something like that. So it's gonna be a 632 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: ProMED spot for the Jaguars to either good a good 633 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: player or to auction it off and get the opportunity 634 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: to have Morget players come to Yes. I think it's 635 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: fascinating JP. I think the top of the draft is 636 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 1: fascinating because it it just feels like defensive impact is 637 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: is the best thing they can get there with what 638 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: they have in the offensive line. And in the top 639 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: of the second if it's pass rusher orly not a 640 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: pass rusher, but penetrating defensive player at number one. That 641 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: thing with if Linder bombs there, is it offensive line 642 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 1: or wide receiver at number two or the not number 643 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: two but number thirty three, Because boy, you could make 644 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: an argument that they would in a fit from either direction. Yeah, 645 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: I mean that you would feel really great about the 646 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,719 Speaker 1: next five years with either of those guys. And then 647 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 1: if you don't go that route, all of a sudden 648 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: you're looking at those spots and saying, boy, we still 649 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: gotta we still need something there. So but that's yeah, 650 00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: So that's the way. Yeah, So here's here's here's what 651 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: happens in those situations. John. It's almost like, um, okay, 652 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give both of you guys a little grocery 653 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: money and I'm gonnappy to go to the grocery store 654 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,759 Speaker 1: and then I'm gonnatally he's gonna steal mine. Now I'm 655 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: gonna evaluate your packages. Right, So what you would like 656 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 1: to do is you want to go through it and say, 657 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 1: at the end of day two, what I feel better 658 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: about having Aiden Hutchison and Tyler Lendenbaum or Aiden Hutchison 659 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: and Sky Moore would I'd rather have and a player? 660 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: So you want to compare what the total hall is 661 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: and then you want to do that comparison based upon 662 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: the up to the draft. And so we talked about 663 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: Linden bomb at center. Well, maybe we like Cam Jergens 664 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: who played at Nebraska. It was athletic and one of 665 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: the fastest guys on the line. Is there a significant 666 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 1: drop off in their play, so they let's go get 667 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: the better receiver and come back and get one of 668 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: the center. And so you're doing this compare and contract 669 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: trying to figure out where the lines of demarcation are 670 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: between the a's and the bees, and the bees and 671 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,480 Speaker 1: the seas and you want to see if you're can 672 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: assemble and a chore as many a's and bees as 673 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: possible so you don't necessarily have to shop at the 674 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,280 Speaker 1: sea line. You have it. That's how the sausage is made. 675 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,239 Speaker 1: And we'll see what the jaguar is having. Story. It 676 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: is pro day season still and you'll get a good 677 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: look at Evan Neil today Alabama's Pro Day coming up 678 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: at one o'clock eastern buck here you and there's two 679 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: different networks covering the thing. For goodness, sax yeah, r 680 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: TR yeah. Role to role isn't that what I'll say, JP, 681 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,279 Speaker 1: that's correct, something like this, Yeah, yeah, Now Evan Neil 682 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: is one because he hasn't worked He hasn't worked out, 683 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: so people want to see now, um, there is a 684 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: conversation where people believe Ikey Kwanu is super special because 685 00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 1: of the athleticism and nastiness and those things. One of 686 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,239 Speaker 1: the reasons why I talked about him being in the conversation, Hey, 687 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: we can talk about as guard. Is he at tackle 688 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,879 Speaker 1: easy disks? What he is is a is an attitude change. 689 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,319 Speaker 1: And so what you want to see with Evan Neil 690 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: is he's a little more technical. Is he as athletic 691 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: as Ikey Kwanu? You're making those comparing can trash um 692 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: decisions to figure out how the draft is. So his 693 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 1: his pro day is big because you get a chance 694 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,879 Speaker 1: to try and project out which one of those guys 695 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,439 Speaker 1: are probably more ready now, but which one is gonna 696 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: be the guy that we talked about being a star 697 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: in three, four or five years. Well, there you have it, 698 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: Pro day season coming up? What you got any more? 699 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: The rest of the week, Like what's happening, Bucky? The 700 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,759 Speaker 1: rest of your week coming up? In closing, Okay, So 701 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,480 Speaker 1: we're gearing up for a path to the draft on 702 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,640 Speaker 1: NFL Network kicks off one day. So it's a daily 703 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: deal where we'll look at all the top prospects and 704 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: all that stuff, start matching teams and players and comparing 705 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 1: lists and that stuff, and I mean usual suspects, Like 706 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: then you know, more mock drafts, more top five lists, 707 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,880 Speaker 1: more kind of narrowing it down and kind of wiling 708 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: away until I get a chance to come out of 709 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: Jacksonville see what's going on draft week, and we'll look 710 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: forward to the seven round Bucky Brooks mock that's gonna 711 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 1: come soon. Right, you're gonna do with no quarterbacks, no 712 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:32,000 Speaker 1: past rush, Right, we want we want to do. We 713 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: wanna do a seven round of Dad Desk for everybody. 714 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: But you know, like yeah, like it's so the conversation starters, right, 715 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: it's so boring to just put the same stuff everybody. 716 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: And because guess what, once someone trades like two days 717 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: before the draft, it's gonna message mock draft anyway. So right, 718 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:52,080 Speaker 1: they're all wrong anyway, why not have it wrong and fun? Yeah, 719 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: it's wrong and fun. If you really want to know 720 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: what I think about players, like always say, like a 721 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: top five list and if I'm ranking them one to 722 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:01,080 Speaker 1: fifty or whatever like, that's how I really feel about him. 723 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,879 Speaker 1: Mock drafts are kind of fun scenarios where I get 724 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: to play Tram Balky four Day and stuff like that. 725 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,120 Speaker 1: That's all that is, and JP, Bucky and I will 726 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: be wrapping up in the next seven days or so. 727 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 1: We'll be wrapping up our look at the Jaguars roster 728 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 1: on Jaguars dot Com and after that we'll have Bucky 729 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,800 Speaker 1: Brooks's perspective on the Jaguars draft leading up to the draft. 730 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: That's all coming up. That'll be Uh. I'm putting Bucky 731 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: to work. Yes, that's a good thing, um, and we 732 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,879 Speaker 1: love having him here as well at all kidding side. 733 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: As good as he is in this format for us, 734 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 1: the insight that he gives into different positions, I really enjoyed. 735 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,959 Speaker 1: So that's the written content on Jaguars Hopmoms look forward 736 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: to that coming up. Bucky, have a great week. We'll 737 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: talk to you again next week. John Osan senior writer 738 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: Jaguars dot Com and I'm J. P. Shadrick. We'll catch 739 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: you next time on the Huddle Up Podcast.